Thanks Tony. Been trying your more in the palm grip. So far only in my garage. Feels different, but I seem to be hitting the ball more consistently. Plus, Seem to be getting more club head speed with no greater effort. Of course, I’m pretty good in my garage.
Thirty years ago when I was first introduced to Natural Golf - Moe Norman golf we were taught to place the club in the palm of lead your hand. The back of the hand would face the target (the logo on your glove would face the target for a reference). The trail hand would rest on the club at a 40* angle and be tight against the lead hand. It's interesting to see Tony's grip as I basically have the same grip after a few years of adjustment.
Very instructive. Another online coach I’ve followed, Paul Wilson, also reaches neutral grip. I’m happy using the neutral grip. A golf partner of mine uses a very unconventional grip. His trail hand is super strong. Thumb pad rests on the side of the shaft. His lead hand is neutral. When his swing is working he’s got way more distance than I but when it’s not then he has bad two way miss. I think he uses a lot of hand action and that accounts for his inconsistency.
We teach every client how to hold the club properly in their hands, arms orientation, the motion and the body movement first, then near the end we may adjust the grip strength if their grip position is not returning the clubface square to the target at impact. So not everyone has the same grip strength. Mine is closer to neutral, but most others need theirs to be a bit more in the strong position. Thanks for the comment golfdoc!
Hey Tony good video 📷 the last few times out been hooking the Ball but just with the driver the other clubs go straight or small draw will try weaker grip with the driver I love the set up for impact got my distance back i am the same age as you I think you're videos are very helpful 👍
Tony, I use a “high” grip for driver, woods and hybrids, but it doesn’t work for my irons ( I’ll come into the ball too steep). I was fitted for 2° upright irons, but I would think that would help rather than hurt. Have you run into this? I suspect you would endorse any variation that works, but I can’t figure out why. Anyhow, it really gives me a lot of confidence with driver and I’ve recommended S4I to several buddies. I really enjoy your down to earth videos and I’ll be 70 years young soon too, and enjoying golf more each year.
Thanks for the question. I'm not sure what you mean by "high grip". If you were fit properly for your lie angle that would mean at 2 degrees upright your iron are making impact correctly, meaning not toe up, not toe down. Lie angle should fit your swing, you should not fit or adjust your swing to fit a specific lie angle. Generally speaking, a more upright swing arc (which matches with upright lie angles) will be steeper than a less upright (flatter) swing arc (which could match standard or even flatter lie angles) . Remember, S4I simply has us set up on the impact plane we already had, so the lies shouldn't need to change if they were already correct for you. I hope this long explanation can help you somehow!
Thanks. By the way, we would like to visit North Carolina. What area/cities are these golf courses you are playing in? Would you recommend a visit to your area?
I highly recommend a visit to my area (central NC) which is not far from Pinehurst. I'm also 1 hour from Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Fayetteville and 2 hours from Charlotte. Most of these videos are at Sanford Municipal Golf Club (my home course where I teach), Siler City Country Club (about 30 min away) and once in a while various courses around Pinehurst and Greensboro.
@@dry509 I think it depends on what you are wanting to do/see. If only golf, go to Pinehurst. They also just mover the World Golf Hall of Fame back to Pinehurst, right there at the resort. Also about 4 hours to my east is Asheville, a beautiful city in the mountains. Plenty of golf around there too.
Raghu it depends on where your ball is going as to whether you need to move it or not. If you have a pattern of hitting it left, you should just try it to see what happens! I don't think neutral works for most people. I tend to hit it left (especially with the irons) so a neutral grip helps with that but is not the cure all.
@@raghuarimilli3224 If it is truly a draw (starts pretty straight, curves left) then a weaker grip can help. If it is a pull draw (starts left curves left) then your swing path needs correction as it is moving through impact to the left of target.
Thanks for showing us your grip. I attended Kirk's school in June (Cincinnati) and learned a lot. My game has improved! I do not have my club in the same spot as location of my left hand as you showed however. I look forward to getting it up a bit higher out of my fingers and getting more consistently straight. I liked your your pointing out where on the 1st finger knuckle of left hand your grip goes. Thanks for your video. I've enjoyed them all.
Wow I wish I knew this years ago when took a lesson from you. This is going to be great for my game.
Thanks Tony. Been trying your more in the palm grip. So far only in my garage. Feels different, but I seem to be hitting the ball more consistently. Plus, Seem to be getting more club head speed with no greater effort. Of course, I’m pretty good in my garage.
I tried this grip and hit some really nice shots . Previously I held it in my fingers , but the palm grip works better for me .
I think this "semi" palm grip gives better clubface control without losing any distance....
Thirty years ago when I was first introduced to Natural Golf - Moe Norman golf we were taught to place the club in the palm of lead your hand. The back of the hand would face the target (the logo on your glove would face the target for a reference). The trail hand would rest on the club at a 40* angle and be tight against the lead hand. It's interesting to see Tony's grip as I basically have the same grip after a few years of adjustment.
Thanks for the grant video , and also very good appreciated !!
Thanks Marco, glad you enjoyed it!
Very instructive. Another online coach I’ve followed, Paul Wilson, also reaches neutral grip. I’m happy using the neutral grip. A golf partner of mine uses a very unconventional grip. His trail hand is super strong. Thumb pad rests on the side of the shaft. His lead hand is neutral. When his swing is working he’s got way more distance than I but when it’s not then he has bad two way miss. I think he uses a lot of hand action and that accounts for his inconsistency.
We teach every client how to hold the club properly in their hands, arms orientation, the motion and the body movement first, then near the end we may adjust the grip strength if their grip position is not returning the clubface square to the target at impact. So not everyone has the same grip strength. Mine is closer to neutral, but most others need theirs to be a bit more in the strong position.
Thanks for the comment golfdoc!
Good video! Thanks! Look forward to working with you tomorrow.
Hey Tony good video 📷 the last few times out been hooking the Ball but just with the driver the other clubs go straight or small draw will try weaker grip with the driver I love the set up for impact got my distance back i am the same age as you I think you're videos are very helpful 👍
I appreciate it Donald, I want everyone to play better and have fun!
Just remember, the number 1 rule in gulf is! Low score WINS!!!! I don't care what I look like. Low score WINS!!!! every time.
Tad in Columbus
Tony, I use a “high” grip for driver, woods and hybrids, but it doesn’t work for my irons ( I’ll come into the ball too steep). I was fitted for 2° upright irons, but I would think that would help rather than hurt. Have you run into this? I suspect you would endorse any variation that works, but I can’t figure out why. Anyhow, it really gives me a lot of confidence with driver and I’ve recommended S4I to several buddies. I really enjoy your down to earth videos and I’ll be 70 years young soon too, and enjoying golf more each year.
Thanks for the question. I'm not sure what you mean by "high grip". If you were fit properly for your lie angle that would mean at 2 degrees upright your iron are making impact correctly, meaning not toe up, not toe down. Lie angle should fit your swing, you should not fit or adjust your swing to fit a specific lie angle. Generally speaking, a more upright swing arc (which matches with upright lie angles) will be steeper than a less upright (flatter) swing arc (which could match standard or even flatter lie angles) .
Remember, S4I simply has us set up on the impact plane we already had, so the lies shouldn't need to change if they were already correct for you. I hope this long explanation can help you somehow!
@@GeezerTony I just meant the higher in the hand S4I grip than the more in the fingers grip. I might be crowding the ball with irons. Thanks.
Thanks. By the way, we would like to visit North Carolina. What area/cities are these golf courses you are playing in? Would you recommend a visit to your area?
I highly recommend a visit to my area (central NC) which is not far from Pinehurst. I'm also 1 hour from Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Fayetteville and 2 hours from Charlotte. Most of these videos are at Sanford Municipal Golf Club (my home course where I teach), Siler City Country Club (about 30 min away) and once in a while various courses around Pinehurst and Greensboro.
@@GeezerTony Thanks for the feedback. We are in Houston by the way. Can you suggest a city to go to first?
@@dry509 I think it depends on what you are wanting to do/see. If only golf, go to Pinehurst. They also just mover the World Golf Hall of Fame back to Pinehurst, right there at the resort. Also about 4 hours to my east is Asheville, a beautiful city in the mountains. Plenty of golf around there too.
@@GeezerTony Thanks.
I use baseball grip. My lead hand is in stronger position. I wonder if I should move it to more neutral or weaker position
Raghu it depends on where your ball is going as to whether you need to move it or not. If you have a pattern of hitting it left, you should just try it to see what happens! I don't think neutral works for most people. I tend to hit it left (especially with the irons) so a neutral grip helps with that but is not the cure all.
@@GeezerTony I tend to miss left (most of the time it is a draw)
@@raghuarimilli3224 If it is truly a draw (starts pretty straight, curves left) then a weaker grip can help. If it is a pull draw (starts left curves left) then your swing path needs correction as it is moving through impact to the left of target.
Thanks for showing us your grip. I attended Kirk's school in June (Cincinnati) and learned a lot. My game has improved! I do not have my club in the same spot as location of my left hand as you showed however. I look forward to getting it up a bit higher out of my fingers and getting more consistently straight. I liked your your pointing out where on the 1st finger knuckle of left hand your grip goes. Thanks for your video. I've enjoyed them all.
So you are not pushing the club with your right hand in the down swing? Do you use both hands/arms or favor one over the other?
I do not favor either hand, I turn the body ahead of the arms and relax the arms and wrists and let them try to catch up through centrifugal force.
The body will follow the hands