This raw file episode is a continuation of episode 7 - ua-cam.com/video/rjpdz1WY2zg/v-deo.html My apologies for the microphone getting hit every time I moved on the couch. This is why documentary filmmakers don't share their raw footage because then all the mistakes are shown, but I'm a strong believer in content over technical perfection and I believe this raw file is worth sharing. Thanks for watching!
see the golden globes last night? insane man bashing at every turn. people don't know what the wage gap is. natalie portman shaming all the director nominees for their gender. just awful. the seething bitter anger is insane. not a word about what girls are going through in iran or egypt or anywhere else right now. nice priorities.
Then, today, the complaints I've heard today was that the male winners didn't mention #MeToo in their acceptance speeches, or grovel at the feet of the females.
"...natalie portman shaming all the director nominees for their gender. ..." When she won for Black Swan she thanked everybody down to the tea boy, but never thanked her dance double (I think her name is Sarah Lane). She (the dance double) had been instructed to give no interviews until after the award ceremony. Portman and her camp strongly implied Portman had done most of the dancing in the movie, and played up the whole method acting angle. The dance double eventually started to speak out saying she did virtually all the dancing shots. The CGI company then quietly pulled their promo video which showcased how they had spliced Portman's head onto the dancer's body and uploaded a re-edited version which omitted these explanations. Everyone in Hollywood is a narcissist and just out for number one. God knows why anyone watches Hollywood movies anymore or worships these fake 'stars', it's all so politicised and fake and dishonest.
Yeah, that totally got me. I had never thought about the draft in that sense, mostly because we don't have it here in Italy in peace time. But.... Fuck, that was a good point
Much Love for Cassie! My mom loved The Red Pill... my ex who stole my child at 3 weeks old refuses to watch it... called the trailer "non cohesive rubbish"... she is blind... and in complete control. What a world. Anyway!! Thanks for all your hard work
Nordic countries are considered to be most progressive about equality. Yet, in Finland there is mandatory conscription for all adult males. Choices are: military service for 165, 255 or 347 days; 12 moths of civil service; or prison for 173 days without chance of parole. If feminism is truly about gender equality this would be the one case they should be raising hell about. How is it in any way equality when all men are forced to serve or be incarcerated? Women can go to military service if they so choose, but that is in no way mandatory.
Feminists have never wanted equality under the law. In fact it is one of the things they advocate the most against. The main reason women hardly get charged and even when they go to prison they serve less than half of the time of a man convicted of the same crime is a direct result of early feminist advocacy. Because obviously when a woman kills her own child it still somehow finds a way to be a man's fault.
Here's another potential female corollary to the draft: The Maternity Draft. In times of prolonged war, the nation needs male and female soldiers to fight its battles. Selective Service women will be compelled into birthing children (artificial insemination, of course) to support the nation's warfighting effort. Mothers may choose to raise the children for the state, or they may relinquish the children to government run child homes...in which case, the period of service is a mere 9 months, much shorter than the typical service period of a drafted man during a war. The chances that such a thing would be required are almost nil, but all women still must sign up for the Maternity Draft at age 18 or risk fine, imprisonment, loss of government benefits, etc.
Robert Knowlton Exactly the same analogy I thought of in response to the argument "but the draft hasn't happened since the 60s!" so it's magically not a problem... somehow.
Only way to get birth rates up is by taking women's rights away i.e. voting rights. But that will never happen because of trad cucks and the whole left. Governments have thrown free money at women to have babies for years, gave them section 8 and tones of legs up and benefits and women STILL don't have children because it's a "tool of the patriarchy". While Islam has booming with 5.5. Children and their women DON'T have voting rights and guess who is going to win in the next 10-20 years? Maybe you guessed it... Islam! Because a genius man once said "the society that has more children will rule the world and the society that has the least will be conquered and swept into the dust bin of time". Cheers America because we're fucked hope your prepping and have your hockey mask and guns nice an stocked up and polished.
A couple of years ago a Texas Federal Judge ruled that the Selective Services was unconstitutional and gender discriminated against Males by only forcing us to sign up! It was brought by a Men's Rights lawyer Marc Angellucci, even though the judge ruled it unconstitutional, he didn't direct the Pentagon nor Congress to act on it. It was eventually presented to Congress, but it refused (of course) to Women to sign up! I mean, why not! They're already accepted on the Front lines (combat) The Powers That Be and Politicians, feminists are always crying "Equality for All" but we all know they only fight for it when it's only convenient for them (Women).
I'm gonna add my joke on the earning vs spending money: It's not the one who earns money who's got the power, it's the one who spends it. It is possible to spend other people's money, in fact politicians do it all the time.
Gee, I just wanted to make a sleazy politician joke that was still relevant to the subject at hand, no need to pull the stats on me, you're preaching to the choir here buddy.
The question I would like to ask all women who think the draft/Selective Service should be (rightly) abolished is this: Do you oppose the draft/Selective Service because it A) unfairly effects men and boys? OR B) Want it abolished because there are whispers about women having to register for it soon?
My personal opinion for thinking the draft should be abolished is because it risks sending people who aren't willing to risk their lives for their country into battle with those who are. People who don't want to be there are too much of a threat to others. Sorry that doesn't answer the question quite as you posed it :-P
+trustno1mel - My thinking on this is that any government that has to force its citizens to fight for their nation has no legitimacy. If the government is truly reflective of the will of the people, they have no need of a draft.
A foundational and very important piece of the movement towards true Equality of Opportunity is touched upon here. Thanks for giving us more of these points for discussion.
This guy not only looks, but also speaks the same way and has the same body language as a chemistry professor I had. This is unsettling, but I'm not surprised he's both intelligent and a good person.
"That's why the statistics on equal pay are not really ... if you want to measure someone's standard of living you don't measure what they earn you measure what they consume and because men and women are in relationships women's rates of consumption equals or surpasses men's rate of consumption." Fred puts it best what I've tried to say for years, the measurement of earning does not reflect equality. You need to compare it to who benefits from those earnings. With women earning less and consuming more, it's clear that women are the leisure class and men are the oppressed. Women are not expected to work. Men are. There is no plan B for men.
So that means Males have to endure discrimination because people don't have common sense?🤔 Im glad the people in the northern part of America didn't think like you when they wanted to free black people for slavery
Thank you for this documentary Cassie... you damaged your career for integrity and honesty. I ran into the same choice in my career in law enforcement. It's an extremely difficult thing to choose between your career and your integrity. I'm proud of you, and I know what it's like.
He nailed the equal pay issue when he said that women in a relationship who earn less than the man, will still enjoy the same standard of living from their combined income.
Nice to see Fred looking so good for his age...and making more sense then ever. I got to meet him and Warren Farrell at a National Congress for Men conference in Denver back in 1987. I'll never forget the role reversal exercise, where the women had to take the initiative to approach the single men that were there and ask them out for a date...which meant a drink or a trip to the closest restaurant and pick up the bill and tip...Providing they were not the victims of rejection, which men have dealt with since the Friday night dances, that we attended in junior high school. Some were. Yet, many of the women had their own hotel rooms. Many of the male attendees actually reported, that they actually got laid (date raped)...It was a lot of fun, while it lasted...But, unfortunately, reality tells us. It was nothing like the real world
Avel Linklater That's what happens when you're willing to entertain the ideas of others and those others a correct. We wouldn't have the problems we have with feminists if they listened to us with an open mind.
It's amazing how much of what Fred says about reproductive rights are mirrored exactly by Katherine Spillar's "Men should just not have sex if they don't want to support a kid" garbage.
The interesting thing about the historical argument of women's oppression and then say that the draft doesn't happen anymore so it doesn't count. Isn't that historical oppression of men?
Thankfully I have a wife which was baffled by the feminist movement after watching the red pill (she never thought of herself as a feminist anyway). But HYPOTHETICALLY. If I were tricked into having a child and courts decide to give 90% of my income for childcare, I would just wire the money out of the country and leave. Never pay a dime. After that happens there is not much left back home, better to start over somewhere else.
When I hear racial and gender biased programs like affirmative action are meant to balance out the injustice, I have two thoughts. (1) Are we willing to end these programs once the injustice is no longer dominant and ( 2) how do we know when that is, since the affirmative action programs skew the results?
Keep posting Cassie Jaye. I know you get flak for this stuff but at least you can sleep at night with a clear conscience. You have earned my respect. Keep fighting and putting forward clear and reasoned arguments Fred. You have been doing it for a while now.
this is why i tripled my patreon pledge today. i love how you make your point without being aggressive or paranoid. interdependence. men's rights are the future of feminism.
Registration for the draft is at the top of my list of inequalities. As long as women are not included the feminists dont care about the problem for men. How this obvious injustice can be tolerated by our country is very depressing. And there are no leaders in government who care.
I didn't know that about Frank Serpico. One learns something new everyday. What strikes me about this series is that women can be total jerks to men, and God knows men can be jerks to women. The real tragedy of the current age (since about 1970 to today) is the idea that either gender is better than the other. I think that is the human tragedy because nothing can be truly gained or understood by blaming or stereotyping.
A huge difference is that even staunch MRA's will often still stand up for women's issues . . . but a feminist standing up for men's issues will be torn apart by the ravenous fem-pack. (And don't underestimate the viciousness of a feminist who has spent years in an echo-chamber enforced state of anger and victimhood!)
Here is a New York Times article on Frank Serpico's court case: www.nytimes.com/1981/11/06/nyregion/paternity-suit-focuses-on-feminism-and-freedom.html Here is Cathy Young's article on Karen DeCrow: www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/the-now-president-who-became-a-mens-rights-activist/372742/
Spot-on. He's totally right about how feminism sees men and women as competitors whereas egalitarians and MRAs see them as affected by the same things.
The solution? A woman should have the sole choice about an abortion, as she is the one who is pregnant. However, at the end of pregnancy, the father should have the sole choice about the baby being put up for adoption by strangers or not. How would women feel about having zero choice in the decision, about 100% of the power being in someone else's hands and her feelings not being considered? It would not be accepted. Yet they are content for millions of men being in that position.
Solution for male reproductive rights? She, and only she, gets the choices before delivery - plan B, abortion, carry to term etc. He, and only he, gets the choices after delivery - adoption by strangers (neither parent to see the child ever again), abandonment via safe haven laws (neither parent to see the child ever again) etc. I wonder will women find it acceptable for her to have zero say in the outcome? Yet they are entirely happy for th eman to have zero say in the first set of choices.
The powers that be won’t let men have equal Patenting, because they would loose that 50% of work time, they want us working more, not half the time! Even if both parents worked 50% of the time, it would be significantly less total work time than is currently the case!
A lot of logical points here, but favoring men until things even out? Now I understand why racism is the worst sin, even when pitted against rape and murder. Sorry, but "favoring until things even out" is not the answer.
Fred hayward just destroyed the feminist lie of equality for both sexes in this video. Fred Hayward speakes very well although the gender pay gap is his flaw. Nevertheless, well done Fred and well done Cassie. If your reading this Cassie I have a question. Are you any closer to becoming a MRA yet? It seems that would be a fitting final destination on your journey and it would be very poetic. Let's be honest any rational person can see where the true inequality lies. Women have had it hard since the dawn if time but men have always and will always have it worse. If the MRA can't get anything done then there is always mgtow to fall back on.
I don't believe he was referring to the mythological "wage gap" or "gender pay gap", I think he was talking about the very real and totally justifiable _earnings_ gap. Women aren't _paid_ less per hour than equally qualified men at the same company on the same job, but overall women do _earn_ less, because they don't work as hard.
Apparently you've never heard of the founding fathers having wife's or rich European monarchy with tones of women rulers but "women have been oppressed throughout history" even roman woman had it better then most men in the ancient world
@@BrandonMaceira-go1gs ~ There IS no "wage gap", like I said, it's an _earnings_ gap. And what you said doesn't disagree with me. Women having babies is precisely one reason they _earn_ less.
I'd say the filter that happens because of biases and the internet, that that statistic is inaccurate, and as many people believe that until the start of the 20th century, women until then were treated like slaves from their own men, thus society was a Patriarchy. While they many say they aren't feminists, they do have feminist beliefs. Such as people who think only the 3rd wave is bad.
Being told "well, if you didn't want to have a child you shouldn't have had sex" is sooooo fucking degrading as a person. If that argument was used to force women into keeping unwanted babies there'd be a massive outrage and the whole issue would be treated as a violation of human rights. NOBODY should be forced into parenthood, or be told to just abandon your own child. Men are not second class parents. MEN REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS NOW.
Thank you for acknowledging that race and gender are different at 18:08. Men need women for survival. For this reason, Black activism does not fall into the SJW category and is entirely legitimate.
Thank you Cassie. Here are 2 places I would like to see equal representation: the gym, and the shops. As it is, it's 9 to 1 men to women in the gym and 9 to 1 women to men in the shops. This shows that men sacrifice and women benefit. If men didn't have multiple times the sex drive as women, we would not be blind to their lack of virtue.
what i really like about cassie is, she is not sudenly against feminism its two sites of the same problem like its a goin and one site can't see the other side still its one coin
You can talk about getting equal and about getting even. If this is about “getting even” than I don’t care. Women being disadvantaged for being women was wrong in the first place. Why would some feminists want to become those they claim to hate(even more). Also how would women getting the advantage over men now make things right. The women who have actually been oppressed will have still suffered through what they have suffered through. And it’s not karma because yes many awful things have been done by people of the male sex, but that doesn’t make the collective male sex responsible. Many men haven’t done wrong what many feminists seem to be wanting to punish them for.
Reading feminist literature makes clear that feminism is not about equality, its about power. It is certainly about equality of power between men and women. Feminism is fine with an imbalance of power in favor of women.
I think where he makes a mistake is to say that male on female rape is traumatic merely because it is robbing a woman of her personal sovereignty. That's not the main issue. If, as a prank, someone was handcuffing a woman to a door handle in a car park and left, it would be scary and unpleasant but nowhere near as traumatic. This would rob her of her personal sovereignty also but the emotional response would be far less important. The real reason why female rape is traumatic can be found in evolutionary biology. It is sex and it relates to reproduction. In the animal kingdom, and we are animals, the biological role of the female is to mate with the highest value male around so that the offspring carries the best genes. Male on female rape violates that principle. It allows a random male, a possibly a lower value male, inside of her body. Even if contraception and abortion exist, these are too recent to affect the evolution of our species. A better analogy is what a man feels when he is rejected by a woman in a society. It is the man's role to approach women and initiate intimate relationships but the female is the sexually selective gender. It's obviously a far less intense episode, because it is nearly always non-violent, but it is repeated dozens of times throughout a man's life. Very often, these episodes trigger an intense feeling of shame and humiliation in a man. A lot of men become scared to death of even talking to women because of the rejection they experienced early in their lives. They carry that for years or even decades and some even seek psychological help to overcome this problem. Again, the reasons can be found in evolutionary biology. The biological role of the male in the animal kingdom is to pass on his genes (that's why rape is an occurrence in humans). When a woman rejects a man advances, it symbolizes that he is a reproductive failure. She is communicating to him that his genes should not survive another generation. And there is nothing more fundamental than that. Being turned down to a job interview means people did not appreciate your skills. But there, it means the female did not appreciate your biology and, just as with a female being penetrated by a lower value male, it triggers a very strong emotional response that finds its roots in the role of males and females in evolutionary biology.
@@JonatanCarmiOK Really? You think our attitude to gender began with 3rd wave feminism in the 90s? No, it's ancestral. Our societies are and have always been gynocentric.
I don't feel it's that hard really. there should be right of abortion (pro choice) the child grows inside the women so she should have the right to deside to abort it or keep it no matter what the male wants. but on the flipsight of that coin that grants women that right men should have the right to absolve there parental rights regarding the child if they do not want to have it. (people don't have sex because they want childen, they have sex because they want to have sex, and it just happends that sometimes the woman can get pregrent from it) there is no justice in forcing a man to pay for child suport for 18 years because he had a 1 night stand with a woman and she choice to keep the child.
This raw file episode is a continuation of episode 7 - ua-cam.com/video/rjpdz1WY2zg/v-deo.html
My apologies for the microphone getting hit every time I moved on the couch. This is why documentary filmmakers don't share their raw footage because then all the mistakes are shown, but I'm a strong believer in content over technical perfection and I believe this raw file is worth sharing. Thanks for watching!
Cassie Jaye, what was it like coming away from this interview?
As a former studio musician, I can't help but giggle.
Cassie Jaye I just wanted to say thank you for all your hard work. It really means a lot to many of us.
Meh. In Star Wars a Stormtrooper hit his head on a door and it was still a hit film. Technical issues are probably only noticed by other filmmakers.
That Ending though!
"Women have suffered for many years..." HUMANS have suffered since the dawn of time!
I agree. We're in this together.
see the golden globes last night? insane man bashing at every turn. people don't know what the wage gap is. natalie portman shaming all the director nominees for their gender. just awful. the seething bitter anger is insane. not a word about what girls are going through in iran or egypt or anywhere else right now. nice priorities.
Lark Macallan or the kids that suffer.just usual feminst shite i actually can't watch the news these days it's just manbashing every fucking day
Then, today, the complaints I've heard today was that the male winners didn't mention #MeToo in their acceptance speeches, or grovel at the feet of the females.
Timothy Krahmer it's scary and shocking
"...natalie portman shaming all the director nominees for their gender. ..."
When she won for Black Swan she thanked everybody down to the tea boy, but never thanked her dance double (I think her name is Sarah Lane).
She (the dance double) had been instructed to give no interviews until after the award ceremony. Portman and her camp strongly implied Portman had done most of the dancing in the movie, and played up the whole method acting angle. The dance double eventually started to speak out saying she did virtually all the dancing shots.
The CGI company then quietly pulled their promo video which showcased how they had spliced Portman's head onto the dancer's body and uploaded a re-edited version which omitted these explanations.
Everyone in Hollywood is a narcissist and just out for number one. God knows why anyone watches Hollywood movies anymore or worships these fake 'stars', it's all so politicised and fake and dishonest.
theawecabinet bang on 👍
I found his comparison between rape and the draft very compelling. Think i'll pass that along to a friend of mine
Mhmm.
I remember I couldnt get a Drivers License until I proved I registered for the Draft.
Same.
Yeah, that totally got me.
I had never thought about the draft in that sense, mostly because we don't have it here in Italy in peace time.
But.... Fuck, that was a good point
Much Love for Cassie!
My mom loved The Red Pill... my ex who stole my child at 3 weeks old refuses to watch it... called the trailer "non cohesive rubbish"... she is blind... and in complete control. What a world.
Anyway!! Thanks for all your hard work
Nordic countries are considered to be most progressive about equality. Yet, in Finland there is mandatory conscription for all adult males. Choices are: military service for 165, 255 or 347 days; 12 moths of civil service; or prison for 173 days without chance of parole. If feminism is truly about gender equality this would be the one case they should be raising hell about. How is it in any way equality when all men are forced to serve or be incarcerated? Women can go to military service if they so choose, but that is in no way mandatory.
Feminists have never wanted equality under the law. In fact it is one of the things they advocate the most against. The main reason women hardly get charged and even when they go to prison they serve less than half of the time of a man convicted of the same crime is a direct result of early feminist advocacy. Because obviously when a woman kills her own child it still somehow finds a way to be a man's fault.
Here's another potential female corollary to the draft: The Maternity Draft. In times of prolonged war, the nation needs male and female soldiers to fight its battles. Selective Service women will be compelled into birthing children (artificial insemination, of course) to support the nation's warfighting effort. Mothers may choose to raise the children for the state, or they may relinquish the children to government run child homes...in which case, the period of service is a mere 9 months, much shorter than the typical service period of a drafted man during a war.
The chances that such a thing would be required are almost nil, but all women still must sign up for the Maternity Draft at age 18 or risk fine, imprisonment, loss of government benefits, etc.
Robert Knowlton Exactly the same analogy I thought of in response to the argument "but the draft hasn't happened since the 60s!" so it's magically not a problem... somehow.
Only way to get birth rates up is by taking women's rights away i.e. voting rights. But that will never happen because of trad cucks and the whole left. Governments have thrown free money at women to have babies for years, gave them section 8 and tones of legs up and benefits and women STILL don't have children because it's a "tool of the patriarchy". While Islam has booming with 5.5. Children and their women DON'T have voting rights and guess who is going to win in the next 10-20 years? Maybe you guessed it... Islam! Because a genius man once said "the society that has more children will rule the world and the society that has the least will be conquered and swept into the dust bin of time". Cheers America because we're fucked hope your prepping and have your hockey mask and guns nice an stocked up and polished.
A couple of years ago a Texas Federal Judge ruled that the Selective Services was unconstitutional and gender discriminated against Males by only forcing us to sign up! It was brought by a Men's Rights lawyer Marc Angellucci, even though the judge ruled it unconstitutional, he didn't direct the Pentagon nor Congress to act on it.
It was eventually presented to Congress, but it refused (of course) to Women to sign up! I mean, why not! They're already accepted on the Front lines (combat)
The Powers That Be and Politicians, feminists are always crying "Equality for All" but we all know they only fight for it when it's only convenient for them (Women).
Selective Services, they either need to allow Women to sign up or abolish it completely!!!
@@flamerollerx01but you still have to register for it.
It’s not an issue..
until it is.
I'm gonna add my joke on the earning vs spending money:
It's not the one who earns money who's got the power, it's the one who spends it. It is possible to spend other people's money, in fact politicians do it all the time.
Gee, I just wanted to make a sleazy politician joke that was still relevant to the subject at hand, no need to pull the stats on me, you're preaching to the choir here buddy.
"We can't even die and have credit for having a problem"
AMAZING interview :)
The question I would like to ask all women who think the draft/Selective Service should be (rightly) abolished is this:
Do you oppose the draft/Selective Service because it
A) unfairly effects men and boys?
OR
B) Want it abolished because there are whispers about women having to register for it soon?
What an excellent question!
My personal opinion for thinking the draft should be abolished is because it risks sending people who aren't willing to risk their lives for their country into battle with those who are. People who don't want to be there are too much of a threat to others. Sorry that doesn't answer the question quite as you posed it :-P
trustno1mel ok look at the others who have been doing it for centuries
+trustno1mel - My thinking on this is that any government that has to force its citizens to fight for their nation has no legitimacy. If the government is truly reflective of the will of the people, they have no need of a draft.
Women want all the rights and privilege and perks with out Any responsibility
A foundational and very important piece of the movement towards true Equality of Opportunity is touched upon here. Thanks for giving us more of these points for discussion.
Watching Fred Hayward talk about feminism is like watcting Mike Tyson fight a pre-schooler. It's just not even fair.
His point about consumption is well taken. Twice as much space in stores is devoted to products for women.
This guy not only looks, but also speaks the same way and has the same body language as a chemistry professor I had. This is unsettling, but I'm not surprised he's both intelligent and a good person.
"That's why the statistics on equal pay are not really ... if you want to measure someone's standard of living you don't measure what they earn you measure what they consume and because men and women are in relationships women's rates of consumption equals or surpasses men's rate of consumption."
Fred puts it best what I've tried to say for years, the measurement of earning does not reflect equality. You need to compare it to who benefits from those earnings. With women earning less and consuming more, it's clear that women are the leisure class and men are the oppressed. Women are not expected to work. Men are. There is no plan B for men.
Men don't have rights. We only have responsibilities.
This guy talks a lot of sense. About time someone came out and spoke on this issue who wasn't biased. Egalitarianism sounds like the way forward.
That man had good points. Especially that last one. Ik would like to see that idea put in front a feminist and hear the reaction.
Everything he says makes perfect sense. However, humans don't really live by common sense unfortunately
So that means Males have to endure discrimination because people don't have common sense?🤔 Im glad the people in the northern part of America didn't think like you when they wanted to free black people for slavery
@@Frazierk3 did they though..."want to free" the enslaved? Re: Alien Rights by Adams and Sanders.
Common sense has be conditioned out of the masses....that's why.
Thank you for this documentary Cassie... you damaged your career for integrity and honesty.
I ran into the same choice in my career in law enforcement. It's an extremely difficult thing to choose between your career and your integrity. I'm proud of you, and I know what it's like.
He nailed the equal pay issue when he said that women in a relationship who earn less than the man, will still enjoy the same standard of living from their combined income.
Thank you Cassie!
Nice to see Fred looking so good for his age...and making more sense then ever. I got to meet him and Warren Farrell at a National Congress for Men conference in Denver back in 1987. I'll never forget the role reversal exercise, where the women had to take the initiative to approach the single men that were there and ask them out for a date...which meant a drink or a trip to the closest restaurant and pick up the bill and tip...Providing they were not the victims of rejection, which men have dealt with since the Friday night dances, that we attended in junior high school. Some were. Yet, many of the women had their own hotel rooms. Many of the male attendees actually reported, that they actually got laid (date raped)...It was a lot of fun, while it lasted...But, unfortunately, reality tells us. It was nothing like the real world
Feminist don't know we are teammates because they have never made it onto a team
I have the impression that Cassie's mind was beginning to become receptive to other points of view at this time.
Avel Linklater That's what happens when you're willing to entertain the ideas of others and those others a correct. We wouldn't have the problems we have with feminists if they listened to us with an open mind.
It's amazing how much of what Fred says about reproductive rights are mirrored exactly by Katherine Spillar's "Men should just not have sex if they don't want to support a kid" garbage.
The interesting thing about the historical argument of women's oppression and then say that the draft doesn't happen anymore so it doesn't count. Isn't that historical oppression of men?
Thankfully I have a wife which was baffled by the feminist movement after watching the red pill (she never thought of herself as a feminist anyway). But HYPOTHETICALLY. If I were tricked into having a child and courts decide to give 90% of my income for childcare, I would just wire the money out of the country and leave. Never pay a dime. After that happens there is not much left back home, better to start over somewhere else.
When I hear racial and gender biased programs like affirmative action are meant to balance out the injustice, I have two thoughts. (1) Are we willing to end these programs once the injustice is no longer dominant and ( 2) how do we know when that is, since the affirmative action programs skew the results?
Keep posting Cassie Jaye. I know you get flak for this stuff but at least you can sleep at night with a clear conscience. You have earned my respect.
Keep fighting and putting forward clear and reasoned arguments Fred. You have been doing it for a while now.
9:13 ish...join the military and you also lose control of what goes into your body by HYPODERMIC NEEDLE.
this is why i tripled my patreon pledge today. i love how you make your point without being aggressive or paranoid. interdependence. men's rights are the future of feminism.
Registration for the draft is at the top of my list of inequalities. As long as women are not included the feminists dont care about the problem for men. How this obvious injustice can be tolerated by our country is very depressing. And there are no leaders in government who care.
I didn't know that about Frank Serpico. One learns something new everyday. What strikes me about this series is that women can be total jerks to men, and God knows men can be jerks to women. The real tragedy of the current age (since about 1970 to today) is the idea that either gender is better than the other. I think that is the human tragedy because nothing can be truly gained or understood by blaming or stereotyping.
That last bit about affirmative action really put a smile on my face :D
A huge difference is that even staunch MRA's will often still stand up for women's issues . . . but a feminist standing up for men's issues will be torn apart by the ravenous fem-pack.
(And don't underestimate the viciousness of a feminist who has spent years in an echo-chamber enforced state of anger and victimhood!)
Excellent analogies on affirmative action, the draft and showing how the feminist argument is set up by making us opposites of each other.
Here is a New York Times article on Frank Serpico's court case: www.nytimes.com/1981/11/06/nyregion/paternity-suit-focuses-on-feminism-and-freedom.html
Here is Cathy Young's article on Karen DeCrow: www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/the-now-president-who-became-a-mens-rights-activist/372742/
Spot-on. He's totally right about how feminism sees men and women as competitors whereas egalitarians and MRAs see them as affected by the same things.
The solution?
A woman should have the sole choice about an abortion, as she is the one who is pregnant.
However, at the end of pregnancy, the father should have the sole choice about the baby being put up for adoption by strangers or not.
How would women feel about having zero choice in the decision, about 100% of the power being in someone else's hands and her feelings not being considered? It would not be accepted. Yet they are content for millions of men being in that position.
Thank you Cassie!!
Love your work
Self ownership, property rights, these things define if a person is free or not.
Solution for male reproductive rights?
She, and only she, gets the choices before delivery - plan B, abortion, carry to term etc.
He, and only he, gets the choices after delivery - adoption by strangers (neither parent to see the child ever again), abandonment via safe haven laws (neither parent to see the child ever again) etc.
I wonder will women find it acceptable for her to have zero say in the outcome? Yet they are entirely happy for th eman to have zero say in the first set of choices.
The powers that be won’t let men have equal Patenting, because they would loose that 50% of work time, they want us working more, not half the time! Even if both parents worked 50% of the time, it would be significantly less total work time than is currently the case!
Go Cassie
A lot of logical points here, but favoring men until things even out? Now I understand why racism is the worst sin, even when pitted against rape and murder. Sorry, but "favoring until things even out" is not the answer.
Equality would be welcome, but Female Chauvinism is unhelpful in the extreme.
Fred hayward just destroyed the feminist lie of equality for both sexes in this video. Fred Hayward speakes very well although the gender pay gap is his flaw. Nevertheless, well done Fred and well done Cassie. If your reading this Cassie I have a question. Are you any closer to becoming a MRA yet? It seems that would be a fitting final destination on your journey and it would be very poetic. Let's be honest any rational person can see where the true inequality lies. Women have had it hard since the dawn if time but men have always and will always have it worse. If the MRA can't get anything done then there is always mgtow to fall back on.
I don't believe he was referring to the mythological "wage gap" or "gender pay gap", I think he was talking about the very real and totally justifiable _earnings_ gap. Women aren't _paid_ less per hour than equally qualified men at the same company on the same job, but overall women do _earn_ less, because they don't work as hard.
Apparently you've never heard of the founding fathers having wife's or rich European monarchy with tones of women rulers but "women have been oppressed throughout history" even roman woman had it better then most men in the ancient world
@@JakkFrost1 no its based on because "they have the babies" THAT is why wage gap exists
@@BrandonMaceira-go1gs ~ There IS no "wage gap", like I said, it's an _earnings_ gap.
And what you said doesn't disagree with me. Women having babies is precisely one reason they _earn_ less.
@@JakkFrost1 correct and I'm just using their "crazy words" "the only way to beat the left is out crazy them"-TFM
feminist claim that men's issues are caused by sexism towards women and I wanna know how to combat this claim.
107 likes and 0 dislikes as I'm writing this.
A feminazi saw this...
You spoke too soon. 180 likes and 2 dislikes. That is 1.11% dislikes. That is approx amount of feminists in soceity.
I'd say the filter that happens because of biases and the internet, that that statistic is inaccurate, and as many people believe that until the start of the 20th century, women until then were treated like slaves from their own men, thus society was a Patriarchy.
While they many say they aren't feminists, they do have feminist beliefs.
Such as people who think only the 3rd wave is bad.
as a pro life feminist who wants true equality I agree with most of what this man says.
Fred Hayward is an articulate fella. He does a good job here.
3:52 "fucked up"... He meant to say "fucked up"...
If that was the other way round it would be considered rape.
Excellent interview!
His sandals takes a bit away from his credibility.
Protect yourselves, guys. Get a vasectomy.
Yeah and the lawyer lose the trial. What about it?
Being told "well, if you didn't want to have a child you shouldn't have had sex" is sooooo fucking degrading as a person. If that argument was used to force women into keeping unwanted babies there'd be a massive outrage and the whole issue would be treated as a violation of human rights.
NOBODY should be forced into parenthood, or be told to just abandon your own child. Men are not second class parents. MEN REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS NOW.
Thank you for acknowledging that race and gender are different at 18:08. Men need women for survival. For this reason, Black activism does not fall into the SJW category and is entirely legitimate.
I don't understand the animation of the woman falling, whats that about?
Alice falling down the “Rabbit Hole” I believe.
Thank you Cassie.
Here are 2 places I would like to see equal representation: the gym, and the shops.
As it is, it's 9 to 1 men to women in the gym and 9 to 1 women to men in the shops. This shows that men sacrifice and women benefit. If men didn't have multiple times the sex drive as women, we would not be blind to their lack of virtue.
I'm surprised more of this specific interview wasn't included in the actual documentary.
MGTOW Is Freedom!!!
Nick smith
shut the fuck up and go back to the plantation!
what i really like about cassie is, she is not sudenly against feminism its two sites of the same problem like its a goin and one site can't see the other side still its one coin
too low audio
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Serpico on Serpico: www.rutlandherald.com/articles/serpico-on-serpico/
Cassie your awesome ☺your man is very lucky
Marc Robertson Why?
You can talk about getting equal and about getting even. If this is about “getting even” than I don’t care. Women being disadvantaged for being women was wrong in the first place. Why would some feminists want to become those they claim to hate(even more). Also how would women getting the advantage over men now make things right. The women who have actually been oppressed will have still suffered through what they have suffered through. And it’s not karma because yes many awful things have been done by people of the male sex, but that doesn’t make the collective male sex responsible. Many men haven’t done wrong what many feminists seem to be wanting to punish them for.
Reading feminist literature makes clear that feminism is not about equality, its about power. It is certainly about equality of power between men and women. Feminism is fine with an imbalance of power in favor of women.
A woman shouldn't be stuck for 9 months but a man should be for 18 years
Uh uh...Rape does not equal draft...bad analogy...Draft should be an equl op deal of course...But it just cant be compared with rape... bad analogy..
I'm sure a lot more people got PTSD from Vietnam than rape.
I think where he makes a mistake is to say that male on female rape is traumatic merely because it is robbing a woman of her personal sovereignty. That's not the main issue. If, as a prank, someone was handcuffing a woman to a door handle in a car park and left, it would be scary and unpleasant but nowhere near as traumatic. This would rob her of her personal sovereignty also but the emotional response would be far less important.
The real reason why female rape is traumatic can be found in evolutionary biology. It is sex and it relates to reproduction. In the animal kingdom, and we are animals, the biological role of the female is to mate with the highest value male around so that the offspring carries the best genes. Male on female rape violates that principle. It allows a random male, a possibly a lower value male, inside of her body. Even if contraception and abortion exist, these are too recent to affect the evolution of our species.
A better analogy is what a man feels when he is rejected by a woman in a society. It is the man's role to approach women and initiate intimate relationships but the female is the sexually selective gender. It's obviously a far less intense episode, because it is nearly always non-violent, but it is repeated dozens of times throughout a man's life. Very often, these episodes trigger an intense feeling of shame and humiliation in a man. A lot of men become scared to death of even talking to women because of the rejection they experienced early in their lives. They carry that for years or even decades and some even seek psychological help to overcome this problem.
Again, the reasons can be found in evolutionary biology. The biological role of the male in the animal kingdom is to pass on his genes (that's why rape is an occurrence in humans). When a woman rejects a man advances, it symbolizes that he is a reproductive failure. She is communicating to him that his genes should not survive another generation. And there is nothing more fundamental than that. Being turned down to a job interview means people did not appreciate your skills. But there, it means the female did not appreciate your biology and, just as with a female being penetrated by a lower value male, it triggers a very strong emotional response that finds its roots in the role of males and females in evolutionary biology.
@@JonatanCarmiOK
Really? You think our attitude to gender began with 3rd wave feminism in the 90s? No, it's ancestral. Our societies are and have always been gynocentric.
I don't feel it's that hard really.
there should be right of abortion (pro choice) the child grows inside the women so she should have the right to deside to abort it or keep it no matter what the male wants.
but on the flipsight of that coin that grants women that right men should have the right to absolve there parental rights regarding the child if they do not want to have it. (people don't have sex because they want childen, they have sex because they want to have sex, and it just happends that sometimes the woman can get pregrent from it)
there is no justice in forcing a man to pay for child suport for 18 years because he had a 1 night stand with a woman and she choice to keep the child.
Spot fucking on