the attic junction box with the cable wedged under the blank plate is a fine example of a J-BOX not grounded properly. If it was properly grounded, an effective ground fault path would have tripped the circuit breaker. Not surprised hack work like that wasn't done right. Great video Simon Electric!
Ha that happens way more often than any of us would like. It reminded me of a reno a buddy and I were doing and every slice of emt was live in the attic. I've never heard my buddy swear so much hahaha. Be safe out there, brother.
So glad I'm a retired electrician. I pick and choose what I work on now...even my own service upgrade just because I didn't want to and had the cash to pay a licensed friend to do it. I did large projects in my 24 years, and only one residential service, and with the new code changes in 2020 I didn't want to be missing one piece of the puzzle on a Saturday with the supply outlets closed. I did supervise as a customer. LOL
I can't speak for anyone else,but personally I like the new 'format' of the last couple of videos you have put out.On that 2nd job you are quoting,I have a feeling those jboxes in attic where the a prequel to what you will find in other parts of the house.Best of luck.
I love your vids, just found them not too long ago. I always love tracking panels in existing jobs but it can be such a pain sometimes and seeing other examples always helps when trying to figure out wth is happening when I get there.
@@Simonelectricfl Makes sense, I wonder how often the residents have power issues now. If the cooling is on the 100A panels, that's has to be so tight.
Yea,sometimes youhave to be sherlock homes.been there,we all have ,me retired as well,glad to see other guys struggling to figure out somebody elses bonehead moves.covered up j boxes were my biggest nemesis in old houses.
That shorted wire is exactly how fires can start in a situation like that and there are rats or rodents around and one just bumps the wire like the guy did
Good video. The breakers that we see at 2:18 orange handle how old are those. I have seen them in my line of work. And word on the street is they love to catch fire.
@@Simonelectricfl thanks,in my line of work if I find one that's bad I have to tell customer to call an electrician because I do not have them on my truck.. so old. I honestly will flip that kinda breaker with my meter or some insulated, never my fingers... Lol
Quite a mess.back in the day i had a job where a 125 yr old buiness had a dirt floor that had been leaking ground water for yrs.everything electrical was rusted beyond belief.400 amp service you could not even get dead fronts or panel covers on.disaster.major job needed concrete just to mount all new equipment.2 100 amp zinscoe panels on 2nd floor,overloaded beyond belief.before i even pulled a permit i brought in the inspector and showed him the dumpster fire.he shook his head there had never been a fire.fortunately i had thought it out and presented a plan.initial agreement.existing feeds from the street needed replacement,power co.job took 3.5 months.🙄
Yes we usually have 1 person usually but if a 2 person crew is near by 2 will go. If I'm making a video I will show up to help them and film 3 would only ever be if I am filming.
That first place looks like a dump. Probably charging people %65 of their earnings to have a cubby of their own. All while everyone prays the place doesn't fall over or burn to the ground.
That is our policy as well, but we tell the customer before we get the tooles out that when we use tools, it becomes a "diagnostic," and that is payable. In this situation, I was unable to tell them and could not leave it, and I won't change unless the customer agrees in advance.
If we had a taller ladder, it would get in the way because you have to twist as you go up. we have latter's all the way up to 14 foot on the van, but this 6 footer is the only way to go here.
@@Simonelectricfl in places like that I bring a cardboard box to keep things out of the insulation. Same goes for working in a garden. (wiring AC, pool pumps, etc)
@@SimonelectricflI do almost all new construction and so haven't personally ran across an FPE panel in almost 10 years. Still, at the place I work, the joke and unofficial policy is that we salvage all 15 amp FPE breakers we come across, and they are only to be rigged up as a temporary substitute breaker for a 200 amp main breaker that is on backorder (such as the COVID-19 related supply chain issues) BECAUSE IT WILL HOLD THE FULL 200 AMPS WITHOUT TRIPPING 😅😂 In fact I believe we might still have a few FPE or Zinsco breakers somewhere in the back room of spare parts, at least we did 3 years ago when I was hired and one of the other lead electricians told me that joke, and then told me the truth , that the FPE or Zinsco breaker was kept for show and tell so that the new apprentices would know how to spot one at a quick glance and be educated on the danger associated. But we DO NOT add to or perform any repairs to these old panels, they go straight into the dumpster where they belonged before they even left the factory.
the attic junction box with the cable wedged under the blank plate is a fine example of a J-BOX not grounded properly. If it was properly grounded, an effective ground fault path would have tripped the circuit breaker. Not surprised hack work like that wasn't done right. Great video Simon Electric!
Thank you it was exciting, haha. definitely did not see that one coming
Ha that happens way more often than any of us would like. It reminded me of a reno a buddy and I were doing and every slice of emt was live in the attic. I've never heard my buddy swear so much hahaha. Be safe out there, brother.
Wow, that's just all the emt was hot! Thanks for the comment
Bad connections, poor workmanship, sparks flying, danger everywhere, and squirrel!!😂 ADHD FTW
Haha yea the squirrel was kinda running up to me I thought he wanted to chat
So glad I'm a retired electrician. I pick and choose what I work on now...even my own service upgrade just because I didn't want to and had the cash to pay a licensed friend to do it. I did large projects in my 24 years, and only one residential service, and with the new code changes in 2020 I didn't want to be missing one piece of the puzzle on a Saturday with the supply outlets closed. I did supervise as a customer. LOL
I completely get it. I have needed to do my own service for years. It is tempting to have one of the Simon Electric crews do it, haha.
it's as if Red Green did the electrical work on that house! Needs more duct tape.
Hahaha exactly!!
If Red Green did the wiring with duct tape it wouldve held forever.
Yes! You can never have too much duct tape!
Red green makes sure stuff works. That work was probably done by a MacGyver apprentice 😂
@@sorethumbs327 I herd red green wired Chuck Norris's house with duck tape and it's almost stronger then Chuck Norris himself.
I can't speak for anyone else,but personally I like the new 'format' of the last couple of videos you have put out.On that 2nd job you are quoting,I have a feeling those jboxes in attic where the a prequel to what you will find in other parts of the house.Best of luck.
Thank you! I will keep making more like this, and I think you are right about this house getting worse it will probably only go downhill from here.
I love your vids, just found them not too long ago. I always love tracking panels in existing jobs but it can be such a pain sometimes and seeing other examples always helps when trying to figure out wth is happening when I get there.
Oh, how far off were the load calcs? 100A for an entire floor is wild.
have not done them yet I need to get into some of the apartments so I can get name plate data off some appliances.
But I'm thinking it's pretty far off. I may try to calculate each floor as a total, and I'm thinking 200-225 amps per floor
@@Simonelectricfl Makes sense, I wonder how often the residents have power issues now. If the cooling is on the 100A panels, that's has to be so tight.
Yea,sometimes youhave to be sherlock homes.been there,we all have ,me retired as well,glad to see other guys struggling to figure out somebody elses bonehead moves.covered up j boxes were my biggest nemesis in old houses.
It’s interesting coming home from work and watching your work. Great job and great team. Thank you sir for your time ⚡️⚡️⚡️
My pleasure! I am glad you like to watch.
looking back at that cord that lit off.. its been arching for a while.. before you touch it there was already black
Yes, I noticed that also after watching, and it never tripped the breaker
@@SimonelectricflThe cord is probably too small to trip breaker.
What kind of drunks wired that place before you?!!
Hahaha I don't know 😂 say no to drugs kids lol
Those number eight wires may have been for a old AC unit judging by the drain line
Yes I think you are right
You may have saved those ppl from a certain attic fire.
I think you are right definitely at some point it would have shorted on its own
Good save. Sparks a flyin!!!!
Yes they were lol
Federal Pacific Electric or FPE is what I do not want to see on a panel.
I agree unless I'm changing it haha
WOW..My man dont u get tired of seeing JACK LEG work, TOO MANY people out there doing electrical work and dont know what their doing..SMH !
I get super tired of il lol, but it is great job security 😂
Nice job bro a little bit of everything in this one pulling out all the tricks
Haha you got it brother man 😆
talk about a home owners special Jezzz
Haha exactly 💯
Was that box in the roof with the cord sticking out from under the lid grounded?
No there was no ground in that box what so ever it shorted because both the hot and netrual made contact with the 1900 box rim and cover.
@@Simonelectricfl That's a bit scary, the box could well have been live just waiting for someone to lean on it.
@@retrozmachine1189I was thinking that same thing.
Good job🎉
Thanks 😁
Wowwww
Haha I know right
That shorted wire is exactly how fires can start in a situation like that and there are rats or rodents around and one just bumps the wire like the guy did
Yes, it is pretty bad.
That’s a unlicensed Johnny home owner
I think that's who installed that j box
Good video. The breakers that we see at 2:18 orange handle how old are those. I have seen them in my line of work. And word on the street is they love to catch fire.
Yes they are FPE they are probably from the late 70s or early 80 but we're installed until 1990
@@Simonelectricfl thanks,in my line of work if I find one that's bad I have to tell customer to call an electrician because I do not have them on my truck.. so old.
I honestly will flip that kinda breaker with my meter or some insulated, never my fingers... Lol
@tonycoffee7335 we do not service FPE panels we will not touch them unless we are removing it.
@@Simonelectricfl I can see why with something that old, thanks!
Quite a mess.back in the day i had a job where a 125 yr old buiness had a dirt floor that had been leaking ground water for yrs.everything electrical was rusted beyond belief.400 amp service you could not even get dead fronts or panel covers on.disaster.major job needed concrete just to mount all new equipment.2 100 amp zinscoe panels on 2nd floor,overloaded beyond belief.before i even pulled a permit i brought in the inspector and showed him the dumpster fire.he shook his head there had never been a fire.fortunately i had thought it out and presented a plan.initial agreement.existing feeds from the street needed replacement,power co.job took 3.5 months.🙄
@7:00 and scared the crap out of me as well lol
Haha I know how you feel😂
Are wire nuts even allowed in the panel like that?
Yes their is no code prohibiting it.
Hey just wondering do you guys normally have 3 people for a quote? Or was this a special circumstance. I usually only see 1-2 people.
Yes we usually have 1 person usually but if a 2 person crew is near by 2 will go. If I'm making a video I will show up to help them and film 3 would only ever be if I am filming.
Can’t believe you touch anything!
Me either
Exactly. I was thinking no glasses or face Masks. No gloves 😬
If the apartments have gas appliances than the amps of service is functional. Not saying it's code today. But it's functional for now.
The ac units alone would exceed 100 amps per floor that would be minimum of 8 ac units per floor on 100 amps. It obviously works but not ideal
@Simonelectricfl its FPE. Probably not tripping or maybe not everyone is using the units all at once
Where's the damn AHJ? lmao. Don't hotels go through regular inspections? Surely that would've been caught sooner than it was
It has been converted to apartments at some point.
Federal Pacific fire starters.
Yep for sure, super unsafe
That first place looks like a dump. Probably charging people %65 of their earnings to have a cubby of their own. All while everyone prays the place doesn't fall over or burn to the ground.
Honest assignment
Just think, if the electrical is that good, what do you think that the plumbing looks like?
on quotes I do not touch anything. if I have to get tools out it's a service Call and I charge my rate....
That is our policy as well, but we tell the customer before we get the tooles out that when we use tools, it becomes a "diagnostic," and that is payable. In this situation, I was unable to tell them and could not leave it, and I won't change unless the customer agrees in advance.
6:18 You need to get the proper length ladder!
If we had a taller ladder, it would get in the way because you have to twist as you go up. we have latter's all the way up to 14 foot on the van, but this 6 footer is the only way to go here.
0.5 points for putting the splice in a box. Minus 10 points for the pinched SO cord
That seems fair for whoever installed that before we got there.
@@Simonelectricfl ya think maybe someone put a cover on that box (too quickly) to help with a home inspection? (like it really helped, right?)
@@rupe53that is why we were there to rectify some of the issues on an inspection report.
Sort your audio out as I use headphones and it’s quiet. But all loud with voice over. I will sub if sound is sorted.
Thanks for the input
Don't you know how to "PICK" -a - LOCK" ? every journeyman , should ! Take a lock-pick course.
I will have to talk to the lock picking lawyer
Bye bye ticktracer!!!!!!!!! In the land of insulation.lol!!!!!!!!
Haha yea I almost lost a 1000 luman flashlight that was on you. I couldn't see it even with the light on 😂
@@Simonelectricfl in places like that I bring a cardboard box to keep things out of the insulation. Same goes for working in a garden. (wiring AC, pool pumps, etc)
FP. Run away …..! U can arc weld before that 15 amp breaker NEVER TRIPS …!
I know right it just would not quit and trip
@@SimonelectricflI do almost all new construction and so haven't personally ran across an FPE panel in almost 10 years. Still, at the place I work, the joke and unofficial policy is that we salvage all 15 amp FPE breakers we come across, and they are only to be rigged up as a temporary substitute breaker for a 200 amp main breaker that is on backorder (such as the COVID-19 related supply chain issues) BECAUSE IT WILL HOLD THE FULL 200 AMPS WITHOUT TRIPPING 😅😂
In fact I believe we might still have a few FPE or Zinsco breakers somewhere in the back room of spare parts, at least we did 3 years ago when I was hired and one of the other lead electricians told me that joke, and then told me the truth , that the FPE or Zinsco breaker was kept for show and tell so that the new apprentices would know how to spot one at a quick glance and be educated on the danger associated.
But we DO NOT add to or perform any repairs to these old panels, they go straight into the dumpster where they belonged before they even left the factory.