no matter which way i look at it, i cannot see how you can consider this as a bug. everything that happened was how it was supposed to happen. force staff moves you 500 units forward, which in this case is on the cliff, and toss throws you toward another unit, which is exactly what happened.
Enfo's Team Survival. It came out soon after RoC and was followed by DotA, it's generally accepted as the first AoS style game that used WC3 heroes - before that your hero did NOT level up as SC didn't have that function. You may know the more modern Enfo's Team Survival: MT Edition. It's pretty fun, and stays true to the AoS hero survival concept.
They could've easily gotten down if they'd sacrificed someone: one of them uses a tp scroll, tiny uses his stun, then the rest of them had time to tp out.
assuming you didnt realize that the first guy was force staffed up on the ledge then followed by tossing enemy heroes systematically to that hero because they ran in one at a time allowing for toss to come off cool down...
Probably to keep the status of creep waves important to gameplay, including in the late when you can tank towers and have plenty of damage, but at the same time not have them mandatory for the advancement of the game.
out of the entire dire team, 3 of them were stuck upon the ledge, clinkz and riki could have gotten a force staff and then given it to them, clinkz did give them a tp scroll
Correct me if I'm wrong, SC used kill score to "level up" if what i remember reading is correct. I still have no idea about ETS but sounds like it would be fun to read about at the very least. Not sure if I can or want to play it just yet. Thank you, sir.
There were ways to avoid that and get out of the situation. You could also say warding a camp is bug, but it became so common everyone sees it as a strategy. Tiny plainly outsmarted them.
that was extremely situational and probably happened for the very first time in the history of dota. also Lycan had BKB so he could just get a TP with a courier from behind and BKB-teleport out of there and if tiny was going to kill the courier, huskar could jump at tiny and get out of there. Also troll killed all the creeps huskar could have been jumping at.
What about this bit from the First Blood Update page then? "Pudge: Meat Hook now pulls the target to the initial hook position regardless of where Pudge is"
easy counter: everyone gets a tp scroll (just maneuver courier manually) and one tp's -> procs tiny's stun -> others tp while stun on CD -> (optional) huskar jumps to creep -> (optional) 4 ppl go and kill tiny
you do know that 1: the courier first needed to reach them with the sentry wards and the tp scroll 2: the courier has... a VERY limited view range, it's the size of your thumb.
If all 3 have tp scrolls, then let huskar use his first. Tiny stuns him, so his stun is now on cooldown. Then the two other guys can tp out, leaving Huskar to ult the tiny and get down. Or leave his ass up there.
The scale was incomparable to how the game came to be played after icefrog took over. There were many variances, true, but what escalated it from being another warcraft map was the work of icefrog. Arguably enough, the fanbase crossed millions only after him. Its probably wrong to say he didn't do much, what he did was to made a long lasting game that still lives from a mere wc3 map. I say these things because I have read from many sources. Legendary MYM/VP/SK came in 05/06, same year as him.
You don't seem to get it. In the next patch, players will get noclip for 5 seconds if hooked/swapped on high ground. If pudge manages to permastun you for 5 seconds, you're dead anyway.
No Force staff onto ledge then tossing people to that hero is not a bug. Its a mechanic that was very cleverly taken advantage of not to mension due to the small period of time tiny had to force staff the first hero took an extreme amount of skill and luck to pull off. Its like fountain hooking in a way. Victims call it game breaking every one else calls it skill.
lycan tp, stun -> others tp out -> later lycan tp out with bkb (and they should've carry tp and if not, they could use the courier with right clicks not "deliver items" button :D)
Yeah i second you on that, it was actually quite easy to escape get all 3 tps (double for lycan) make lycan cast first, tiny would stun then the other two would tp out and after that (when lycan would be alone) just cast bkb and tp away. But in other news all 3 of them should have tps on them from the begining but NOPE "2 hard carry need itemz" tough love none of the OP items saved their asses and the only thing that would, costs 135g.
true on that, in that situation deward with clinkz first get your tps and tp out, simple! but oh no that would actually required some form of team play from them.
BigCheese1138 That doesn't answer my question. Do you insta suicide like bloodstone? Or do you get placed somwhere close by. I think the best solution to this problem is to have staircases that go down but not up from the cliffs.
dude i played both games, and both are great, true is, right now dota is unplayable, cause every single player pick drow, riki or bara, and my team isnt capable of killing them
A strategy that even happens in competitive game play with rubicks, magnuses and batriders trapping people in higher ground. Now how does the enemy manage to get off from there? Well that's a mystery that Benjamin will have to solve.
Technically it is owned by eul and guinsoo who trademarked it while working for Riot in order to block valve. Actually recently the legal dispute ended with valve in control of dota, which clearly they put to use by changing DOTA 2 to Dota 2, but still not using the correct capitalisation.
force staff, blink dagger, if riki have bought a tp and blink up lycan could use his bkb and tped ou, np, or have make a force staff and forced everyone down...
Omg x'D ! EPIC gg ... lol Huskar " I ulti the creeps hum " ( tiny ) Blink " Nonono com back "
0:40 the items in the ward spot...
Give me the chatlogs.
jajajaja, REPORTA TINY, cyka cyka, TROLL IDIOTA, clikz tp plz,
This is the proper way to play doto
"You stay up there young man!"
>tfw you have a quarry to settle
I never laugh so hard before
same here dude lol
me too lol
XD
dafuq, nice idea tiny! LEL!
1:12 as soon as Tiny stunned, something bounced up, what was it??
Glitchy Courier
PLEASE UPLOAD THE FULL GAME!!! I feel the need to see the full game of this!
no matter which way i look at it, i cannot see how you can consider this as a bug. everything that happened was how it was supposed to happen. force staff moves you 500 units forward, which in this case is on the cliff, and toss throws you toward another unit, which is exactly what happened.
is this still possible?
always was, always will be
obionedogan Say that to pudge ahaha
DestinyInkify It's a video about tiny. Pudge is out of the question.
Dude it was a joke T.T... referring to a previous update...
mind to share the match id ?
WOW that is such a good idea i should try that
Enfo's Team Survival. It came out soon after RoC and was followed by DotA, it's generally accepted as the first AoS style game that used WC3 heroes - before that your hero did NOT level up as SC didn't have that function. You may know the more modern Enfo's Team Survival: MT Edition. It's pretty fun, and stays true to the AoS hero survival concept.
It's where you place a ward so it's on high ground and covers more without any trees breaking the sight.
No all chat? That looks pretty staged
wait a minute... the narrator's voice is..... Glados????
Yeah, it is a great AP
Wp tiny
it was like a million years ago, i don't think it was ever in dota 2 but when tiny came out it certainly worked like that
They could've easily gotten down if they'd sacrificed someone: one of them uses a tp scroll, tiny uses his stun, then the rest of them had time to tp out.
ez game.
assuming you didnt realize that the first guy was force staffed up on the ledge then followed by tossing enemy heroes systematically to that hero because they ran in one at a time allowing for toss to come off cool down...
Probably to keep the status of creep waves important to gameplay, including in the late when you can tank towers and have plenty of damage, but at the same time not have them mandatory for the advancement of the game.
if it was dota 1, there was an unstuck command that would tp you to the base in 1 minute.
No. I also checked it right now.
You only get 5 sec free pathing, if you get hooked or netherswapped on an impassible ledge.
I love how he just casually tossed SB up there lol
out of the entire dire team, 3 of them were stuck upon the ledge, clinkz and riki could have gotten a force staff and then given it to them, clinkz did give them a tp scroll
Best laugh I have in awhile. great stuff man
i really want this full match XD
Dat spirit breaker sacrifice
To make it difficult but not impossible to backdoor. Valve could make buildings invulnerable if no creeps are nearby, if they wanted.
love how huskar just gives up on life break
Correct me if I'm wrong, SC used kill score to "level up" if what i remember reading is correct.
I still have no idea about ETS but sounds like it would be fun to read about at the very least. Not sure if I can or want to play it just yet. Thank you, sir.
There were ways to avoid that and get out of the situation. You could also say warding a camp is bug, but it became so common everyone sees it as a strategy. Tiny plainly outsmarted them.
that was extremely situational and probably happened for the very first time in the history of dota. also Lycan had BKB so he could just get a TP with a courier from behind and BKB-teleport out of there and if tiny was going to kill the courier, huskar could jump at tiny and get out of there. Also troll killed all the creeps huskar could have been jumping at.
in dota 1 there was a command -unstuck and when typed u freeze for 60 sec then get back to base no tp needed
What about this bit from the First Blood Update page then?
"Pudge: Meat Hook now pulls the target to the initial hook position regardless of where Pudge is"
This is why every team needs someone with a force staff.
Solution: everyone gets tp, one uses it, tiny has to avalanche or let him go and if he uses avalanche then the rest get off while avalanche is on cd
easy counter: everyone gets a tp scroll (just maneuver courier manually) and one tp's -> procs tiny's stun -> others tp while stun on CD -> (optional) huskar jumps to creep -> (optional) 4 ppl go and kill tiny
What was in the boxes near the ward at 0:37? How did they get there? Did Tiny toss them too?
this is freaking brilliant
you will only see one dire hero defend the whole ancient
Actually not. They only get free pathing if blink dagger is abused by pudge or venge.
you do know that
1: the courier first needed to reach them with the sentry wards and the tp scroll
2: the courier has... a VERY limited view range, it's the size of your thumb.
0:40 what are those 2 items on the right next to the ward doing there ? O.o
so bait tiny to the neutrals camp with a courier so there is a chance that tiny will throw a neutral instead of huskar
lost it when huskar found a way to get out and came back
If all 3 have tp scrolls, then let huskar use his first. Tiny stuns him, so his stun is now on cooldown. Then the two other guys can tp out, leaving Huskar to ult the tiny and get down. Or leave his ass up there.
in the game client go to watch, then recent games and use the match ID
The scale was incomparable to how the game came to be played after icefrog took over. There were many variances, true, but what escalated it from being another warcraft map was the work of icefrog. Arguably enough, the fanbase crossed millions only after him. Its probably wrong to say he didn't do much, what he did was to made a long lasting game that still lives from a mere wc3 map.
I say these things because I have read from many sources. Legendary MYM/VP/SK came in 05/06, same year as him.
i think that tiny might have a force staff with him...
0:30 The most wicked, brutal and deliberate action in history of dota: The torturing and murder of SpaceCow
Match replay was deleted
You don't seem to get it. In the next patch, players will get noclip for 5 seconds if hooked/swapped on high ground. If pudge manages to permastun you for 5 seconds, you're dead anyway.
No Force staff onto ledge then tossing people to that hero is not a bug. Its a mechanic that was very cleverly taken advantage of not to mension due to the small period of time tiny had to force staff the first hero took an extreme amount of skill and luck to pull off. Its like fountain hooking in a way. Victims call it game breaking every one else calls it skill.
To be fair, if Huskar jumps out at Tiny, Tiny can always just throw him back.
He's going to rock you. Like a Hurricane.
i don't think that anybody from the dire team knows what a force staff is
How he do that btw? It's a combo with blink dagger and toss? Or simply toss?
I'm wondering: How did Troll make it up the cliff in the first place?
Wow the tiny is good with the force staff
I didn't say this situation can't be countered.
lycan tp, stun -> others tp out -> later lycan tp out with bkb (and they should've carry tp and if not, they could use the courier with right clicks not "deliver items" button :D)
Yeah i second you on that, it was actually quite easy to escape get all 3 tps (double for lycan) make lycan cast first, tiny would stun then the other two would tp out and after that (when lycan would be alone) just cast bkb and tp away. But in other news all 3 of them should have tps on them from the begining but NOPE "2 hard carry need itemz" tough love none of the OP items saved their asses and the only thing that would, costs 135g.
THATS SOME NEXT LEVEL TINY PLAYS LOL
true on that, in that situation deward with clinkz first get your tps and tp out, simple! but oh no that would actually required some form of team play from them.
what?...how did troll get into the hill?
Tiny was away from any ulti that tp's you to the target.
This should happen to every team that drafts like that.
Doesn't stop force staff, Rubick, Leap, any other abilities that allow you to get up/place heros on cliffs. SO NO, it wasn't patched.
I wish the grand finals of TI4 would end this way.
They try to tp out if u put them on cliffs if u cancel that they probraly wait 50 sek until they can tp again
Though to be fair they "fixed" the chen pudge fountain hook combo.
You can hear force staff
0:43 Did anyone notice that there were items on the ledge+a ward guarding them?
If you got someone on your team to pick Ursa and he blinks on the hill that would be perfect
uhm, lion...
Adam Hanzlík you mean lion with aghanim scepter?
noob.. they were 47/ 54. The best way to win the game is to keep them there. not kill them.
Thwin Htoo Zan they were kinda dumb though, they could have denied each other...
Timothy Prawiro no they couldn't denying on hearoes only work if you are under a dot effect
They have, hence Defense of The Ancient was based in a program made by Blizzard?
I am very curious of whats up with that team "setup" all carries xP
dude, just gotta ask. what's ETS? I know about Aeon of Strife but I've never heard of something called ETS.
still dont get how he manage to put troll up there in the first place
One of the most beautiful things I've ever saw.
didnt you see the courier? and with them not killing the gps is really slow
How did troll get up there in the first place??
Oh man, I lost it when Tiny "returned" Huskar back up there XD
How did troll get on the cliff?
Doesn't clinkz have a force staff at 1.36?
thats why they should put the -unstuck already
How would that work?
this isn;t wow and getting stucj questing on some stupid cliff or glitch in a wall
[ratzfc]mugen unstuck was in dota 1
BigCheese1138 That doesn't answer my question. Do you insta suicide like bloodstone? Or do you get placed somwhere close by. I think the best solution to this problem is to have staircases that go down but not up from the cliffs.
in dota 1 im pretty sure you got teleported back to base a minute after typing -unstuck, its been a while. i still don't really think its necessary.
hmmm no sir, there was no way to escape besides tp scroll
Only for Pudge and Venge. This'll still work.
Don't think Lycan realised he could bkb tp.
best dota clip that i've ever seen
He forced staffed the troll uphill ( which is kinda lucky I believe) and just toss his mate to him.
Damn ... why cant I view the replay??
you can also read the future and use the force I presume.
dude i played both games, and both are great, true is, right now dota is unplayable, cause every single player pick drow, riki or bara, and my team isnt capable of killing them
A strategy that even happens in competitive game play with rubicks, magnuses and batriders trapping people in higher ground. Now how does the enemy manage to get off from there? Well that's a mystery that Benjamin will have to solve.
Technically it is owned by eul and guinsoo who trademarked it while working for Riot in order to block valve. Actually recently the legal dispute ended with valve in control of dota, which clearly they put to use by changing DOTA 2 to Dota 2, but still not using the correct capitalisation.
Why did Tiny throws SB into there ?
force staff, blink dagger, if riki have bought a tp and blink up lycan could use his bkb and tped ou, np, or have make a force staff and forced everyone down...