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The only thing I can say about the Michigan caller. The fact that no one knew doesn’t excuse the actual violation.
There is zero chance that the 2nd caller is not a troll. No one is that delusional.
That dude is all in on the cult. He will 100% drink the kool-aid when told. I feel for him. I can only assume his entire identity and world of UM football is coming to a crashing halt.
"Pattern of noncompliance within the football program and institutional efforts to hinder or thwart the NCAA's investigation"....This is all we need to focus on as the NCAA will hammer UM based on this sentence in the NOA letter.
Remember back when OSU players traded OSU merchandisee that they owned , not university property for tattoos? NCAA vacated an entire season of 12 games and
did not permit a bowl game that year on Ohio State. If the NCAA takes it light there will be hell to pay from many Big 10 teams.
They are not vacating the wins or the natty.
I see sanctions up to including a post season ban for the future.
It’s one thing to have the NCAA investigating allegations. It’s a whole other beast when you get caught in the act in the middle of a game?
Do you have the footage of them being caught ?
Not required. This is the investigators reporting what they have.
Not required. This is the investigators reporting what they have.
Not required. This is the investigators reporting what they have.
@@_jse123 The um, Central Michigan game sir. See, they couldn’t beat TCU because they didn’t have their signs.
Adam Sheffler just told Pat McAfee that he just got off the phone with Sherrone Moore and Moore told him "Everything is good at Michigan."
What you think he was going to tell him it's bad?😂😂😂😂
@@ammielcoats9762 if it was bad yes
@@MooseGoBlue you delusional asf no tf he wouldn't no hc tells everything haven't you learned that from following football.
You guys are forgetting…NCAA has nothing to do with the college football playoff.
True, but the Playoff committee will usually align with the NCAA. For example if the NCAA decides to vacate UM's first seven games of 2023 (games with Stallion on the staff) then the Big Ten would most likely decide UM was ineligible for the BIG championship game and vacate their conference championship. The Playoff committee would then most likely decide UM was ineligible for the playoffs thus vacating their national title. This scenario is a possibility.
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251big facts 💯
Dont all programs have lowly interns give coordinators calls on the sidelines in big games? Dont all interns for 1 team always show up in another teams gear on the sidelines of his teams future opponents? Dont all offensive coordinators get investigated by the FBI for cyber crimes before getting fired? Don't all players have an LLC with interns? Dont all coaches delete conversations with interns when informed they're under investigation because of that interns' conduct. Dont all head coaches get suspended twice in one season? Dont all staffs flee a program after a NC?
I know people have to cover it. But personally I care less. It’s playground level stuff. If a coach decides they want to gain a possible advantage by speeding up play and forsaking a huddle or sending a substitute player in with the play by using signs from the sidelines for all to see, they do it knowing people will try to decode the signs. If they think all the other national brands/programs haven’t had their share of grey area/cheating scandals, they’re very naive. The NCAA is increasing,y becoming irrelevant.
There's 2 sides of every story, I think Michigan was a very talented team with great coaching, that's why they won the Natty, and not because of Connor Stallions spying, I'm an Oregon fan and that's my opinion
@@nicksemerikoff9805 don't let Buckeye fans hear you say that, they'll start calling you all sorts of things for not believing every Michigan victory was because Stalions was some sort of mastermind. To them, without Stalions Michigan would've gone winless the last three years.
You are right. Any Ohio St. fan who is fair-minded would have to agree with that. However, what about the two years prior when they were winning Big Ten titles , beating Ohio St (who had CJ Stroud) by using the Stallion's Signal Stealing Scam?
Not only Ohio St but other schools as well. It changed the outcome of games and coaches lose their jobs if they don't win games. It is one thing to commit recruiting violations or having alums paying players (prior to NIL) but to impact the outcome of a game by illegal actions is a travesty. Right up there with point shaving. Keep your Natty but admit you cheated for two whole seasons and pay the price for that. Tressel lost his job over Tatoo-Gate which had no impact on the outcome of any game.
@@Jon.A.ScholtI’m a Buckeye fan who doesn’t think that the Natty will be vacated or even wins. Now a bowl ban,more scholarships and added years of probation should be on the table. Plus,don’t think that Michigan will be classified as a repeat offender wont effect the punishment. It’s a big deal that Michigan is serving 3 years probation
@@pinstalker If advanced scouting was such an advantage why did Vegas not shift any lines after the Stalions stuff came out? They're literally the best people on the planet at judging these sorts of things and the lines didn't budge.
Not only that, Michigan continued to beat the spread over and over after Stalions. Against Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa, Alabama and Washington, Michigan beat the spread. If Stalions was any sort of advantage, why was Michigan doing even better than expected WITHOUT him?
Sorry, we have all the evidence above to show how what Stalions was doing didn't provide any advantage but only conjecture and "feelings" that he some how did.
The NCAA nearly rescinded the rule two years ago and scouting itself is only considered a Level 2 (aka minor) violation because they know there is no advantage.
People have been so brainwashed by Buckeye beat writers into thinking Michigan was only ever beating any decent teams.
@@Jon.A.ScholtI agree Michigan would’ve won those games,which makes even more stupid what Stalions did. What about the other 2 years that they weren’t caught? They cheated and should be punished, only losers like you think it’s ok. So now that Jimmy is gone,are you gonna swallow when you finish up on Moore or is Harbaugh gonna fly you out to LA.Rumor has it,you were the best he ever had
OSu and Ryan Gay are sooo softtt. And yes Ryan Is very very happy (Gay) with his rosies lil cheeks
Now let's talk about U geez
michigan is the one who is soft - they had to cheat to win.
Happy is better than down syndrome harbaugh.
For me Michigan are no longer Wolverines they are simply The Cheater.
If they had anything of real substance they would have leaked it months ago! 😂😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
Ncaa cannot vacate any national chsmpionship in the cfp era. They dont run the tournament like they do march madness.
Yep.
All that matters in this draft is the severe wording of the NCAA stating that the PROGRAM and the university are to receive level one violations. Furthermore, the willful obstruction of the NCAA investigation by the university. UM isn't going to receive the death penalty but the NCAA hasn't used wording like this since SMU but, I'd expect a minimum of the same punishment leveled on Penn State as a result of the Sandusky scandal. End of discussion.
All of penn states punishments were reversed.
Yes, it matters because it shows the NCAA is serious, but also the context behind compliance makes the NCAA look bad. No government, let alone a private organization should demand access to everything on your phone, especially access to non-relevant messages and content. That was part of the compliance standards.
@@stan3943 They literally asked Stalions, who is 28 years old, to hand over 15 years of phone records and bank records. How is he supposed to hand over things he didn't even have as a 13 year old? And when he doesn't do this he's somehow considered "non compliant".
The NCAA is purposely giving these ludicrous demands because they know they won't be met and they can say, "See! See! They're non compliant". It's meant to be an entirely rigged outcome.
Notice how all of the "serious" allegations have absolutely nothing to do with what happened on the field, only how Michigan acted (justifiably) afterwards. Total kangaroo court.
@@tphillips91 Good to you know you have your priorities straight and think abusing children for decades is equivalent to what Stalions is accused of. Classic Buckeye morality.
Also, how the heck do you know what language the NCAA has used for every case since SMU? Another example of Buckeyes making sweeping assumptions to fit their narrative.
@@stan3943Moore is a state employee and is therefore required to be compliant with Michigans FOIA laws. As such, he is not allowed to delete any communications on his work phone. All of those communications are subject to FOIA requests.
thatn2nd caller has got to be on heavy drugs
There's no context in thamels story. I'm not here to argue with buckeye or Spartans fans. But it pretty much states nothing...he talks about team gear handed to a recruit, $100 check to a golf outing for a recruits father. Moore ended up turning the texts over. And again there is 0 proof of any coaches knowing anything. Michigan broke a rule but to carry on and turn this into something is insane. Thamel trashes them and then admits there was 0 proof all in the same article. I know people are mad but damn read the article it proves nothing to do with sign stealing
Read Pettini's letter suspending Harbaugh. Both B1G and NCAA stated "indisputable facts" and that was at the beginning of the investigation. Harbaugh ran a lawless program and Moore is left as the bagholder as the rest of the staff ran or were fired. Denial is understandable but at some point it is no longer feasible.
@@OSUBucknado but yet they give us 48 pages of basically nothing but vague wording...I'm not here to argue....the NCAA is a joke....harbaugh got a ton of money in the NFL and they look weak and dumb....on a side note you guys better get that o line in order and prepare for physicality or you're doomed for failure. Because harbaugh is gone, Michigan won't be the same...but if you don't fix your own problems you can't blame harbaugh or Michigan this year
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Hail to the Cheaters, baby!
There is perhaps no more direct way to cheat than stealing signs.
Paying for talent before NIL? Every team tries to steal signs
Not illegal to steal signs but the way you do it can be.
@@lpslover8627 When will the thick skulls learn it isn't illegal to steal signs?
@@_jse123 If it was legal than Stallions wouldn't have to wear a disguise to sneak onto the CMU sideline and he would have been honest with all the coaches. Sounds like he knew it was illegal while he was doing it.
Once again, the act of stealing signs isn't always illegal. What Conor Stalions did to steal those signs was.
@DarealMVP 24 Were you not informed that Moore already gave up his phone to the NCAA already? He later deleted the 52 messeges after. Maybe you should get the facts straight before bashing Michigan. Also didnt Kentucky just get i ln trouble? Maybe you should worry about your own team! 🤔
I said in this call that the text messages were recovered.
45:33 ignorance is bliss with this caller 🙄
Your mich guy is and. Hope he's talking directly to coaches during the game the players are pointing to the air all of them so stop jerk stop the lies admit it
If they don't, then give Louisville their Natty back. Their violations were much less egregious.
Paying for prostitutes for players is less egregious than stealing signs?! You're an idiot.
Dear god, leave to Buckeye fans to make an obvious desperate move on the part of the NCAA seem like the greatest scandal in the history of mankind.
Now let's talk about U and please leave god out of it u homer
And leave it to a UM fan to try and act like their cheating on 58 games against 13 opponents over 3 seasons isn’t the greatest cheating scandal in CFB history.
@@foxbodyblues6709 Greatest scandal in college football history? This is exactly what I'm talking about. They're accused of what, 4 Level 1 violations? That's not even close to the most in even the last few years. 🤣
@@Jon.A.ScholtfFve level one not four. Not to mention your ignorant fan base who still doesn't realize how much damage this is going to do to their program. Don't act like this is a slap on the wrist. No one has ever went to the extreme levels of cheating that your lousy program has been accused of. In the past you would have received the death penalty. Be happy that doesn't seem like a possibility anymore in college football. You will suffer greatly.
Leave it to the buckeyes ? Michigan is the one under investigation for cheating and deleting text messages the day stallions got caught is a huge red flag why else delete them ? Just clearing storage in his phone lmao 😂
Title should be stripped and vacated joke of a football program
No, that’s ridiculous. And even if they do the AP still named them National Champs and the AP never rescinds their titles.
No, but the NCAA does. Nobody cares what sportswriters think. ScUM loyalists should be acutely aware of that. Louisville vacated their title win.
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