Can The FASTEST F1 EVER (Without DRS/ERS) beat the Ferrari F2004 ?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Could it be that if we remove the DRS and ERS Systems from the Mercedes W11, will it still be able to beat the Ferrari F2004, one of the fastest F1 cars of all time?
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What do you think about a rematch on a medium speed track with more corners? If possible, leave a comment. Thanks👍
yes ...and slicks on the F2004... in Barcelona and Monaco...
@@luiscarlosvieira3966 Monaco is out of the question, overtaking is almost impossible. Barcelona is really very interesting. Thank you my friend.
@@f1virtualfilms I said those 2 tracks because Barcelona is the "universal" track... and Monaco is because the F2004 is 1.2m shorter and 140kg lighter than the W11...
austin, silverstone
how about at spa?
Oh man i miss the times where the f1 cars were smaler lighter and more aggressive.
No 'cheating devices' to help overtaking lol (kidding)
Me too my friend
No overtakes at all. At that time the most aggressive drivers looked like Raikkonen or bottas
Look up the 2026 rules and regs you'll be happy
@@SKYLINE32_YT Not to disappoint you, but team already said that it's just impossible not to be largely overweight in 2026. Also, the cars won't be much smaller than they are today
The glorious sound of a V10 screaming at 20,000 rpm
18.500 rpm
only 18700rpm.v10 has bad balance so even v8 rev more.
@@2ur_gse130 That's not accurate at all. I lived through the era. The V10s were pushing 20k by Renault and BMW (and were expected to go higher) until the FIA put rev limits of 18700 on the engines to stop them from gaining any more power. V10s are essentially the same geometry as the V8s with exception of having 2 more cylinders.
@@KaDuWin this is 100% accurate. the bar of 20 thousand rpm was broken only in 2006, which greatly surprised commentators, and in 2006 all teams had already switched to V8 except Toro Rosso, who were allowed a v10 limited to 16 thousand rpm.The first rpm limits were introduced by the FIA in 2007, when the rpm was limited to 19,000, and then in 2009, when it was 18,000. The V10 has never reached 20,000 rpm. The inline six,V8,V12 have almost perfect balance right away. and the v10 has huge problems with vibrations and cylinder compensation.
@@2ur_gse130 Actually F1 says it on their own website about the V10 era and there are countless old footage videos on youtube (unless you think a commentator knows more than the sport's own website and lots of videos showing otherwise)? What I said is 100% accurate, it's literally backed up by F1's website as well as every other website that discusses the V10 era. This isn't opinion, its legit fact. You are incorrect.
(Because you "accidentally" missed it the last time I explained). The FIA capped the V10s from going higher than 19k RPMs is because both Renault and BMW were experimenting with engine builds that pushed 21k revs and were producing more power which meant higher speeds. During the V10 era, grooved tires were mandatory in effort to slow the cars down. If cars got more power it was going against the FIA's efforts to slow the cars down.
If you watched onboard clips from the early V10 era some manufacturers *not all) were showing as reaching 20k on acceleration, while others of the same season reached 18.5k revs.
Ferrari wins just on noise alone
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COM A POTÊNCIA DO MOTOR
True ❤
Its not noise.... its sound, its a masterpiece....
I mean if you said otherwise about the noise you’d be weird
That sound brought my childhood back. Me and my parents woke earlier to see Barrichello and Schumacher giving their all during grand prixs.
Good times that never come back. Thanks for watching.
With more corners, w11 gets upper hand. Cornering of w11 makes up for Speed gap
Exactly. I'm thinking about a rematch on another track
Not really, it's much heavier
Depends on what kind of corner, low to medium and even some slower medium/high speed corners (especially with a closing / tightening radius).
@@f1virtualfilms Think about Interlagos and Spa.
@@giorx5 Interlagos is also a good option. Thank you friend
DRS I get, but why remove ERS? That’s like chopping 2 cylinders of the Ferrari’s V10
Because its under the same conditions - Car with ICE Engine against Car with ICE Engine, and not with the advantage of Electric Power AND Turbopower.
@@fam.hunger5244 but the merc's engine is turbo hybrid. it's integral to the cars whole philosophy. If you cut it out then of course it would lose because now it's carrying the weight of the full hybrid/battery system without the power.
I get it, we all love the screaming V10s and schumi's greatness and you even used the most power dependent circuit to give the ferrari a better advantage. But let's not pretend like the F2004 is actually faster than the merc. It's not, and it never will be.
Removing the ERS system also reduces the weight and things are balanced.
@@TYPEV3 Friend. At the beginning of the video I inform you that the weight of the car was reduced with the removal of the hybrid system.
@@TYPEV3 On Spa in AC, with slightly less than ideal aero, i can get it to 332 kph (F2004). But that's it. With aero better suited for Spa, the limit is about 324 with slighty lighter gears.
The Ferrari is not even in slicks tyres
The original car while having grooved tires.. also had tires that were bespoke to that chassis and tracks. Bridgestones development was insane. The had a “customer tire” and they had a “Scuderia Ferrari” tire
@@simplygregsterev Exactly my friend. And Schumacher helped Bridgestone develop the tire.
@mArvAlcao71 They most definitely were not lmao
The Bridgestone tyres were horrible and stiff. The Michelins, contrary to belief, were much better with better surface contact. Michelin in general had better development and data to work with because they were servicing a variety of teams. It is why Bridgestone was caught out so easily by the 05 reg changes.
Slicks wouldn't obviously make it faster. First of all, the F2004 would lose top speed on slicks. And then, you'd have to completely rework the aero
Put it in Baku or any track with a lot of turns and W11 wins, but tracks with less corners and more straights the F2004 wins
There's no way in hell you're gonna beat something that screams like that
Yeah. Just ask Eastern Europe in the early 1940s.
Ferrari only wins because of the track picked out. Mercedes was better in the corners Ferrari better for straight line speed.
@@chrisbell600 OK, let's do Monaco then
Oh wait, we can't because the 2020 car can't go side by side anything within inches of it.
@@rongiefaustino8867 what do you mean can’t go side by side with something? Ahh Monaco the worst track in the calendar. Tracks with long straight lines the Ferrari wins and tracks with shorter straights but more corners Mercedes wins. You can see that in the video the Ferrari pulls away on straights but Mercedes catches it in corners. Just so happens that track is mostly straight.
@@chrisbell600 Yeah and my guy just say "no drs no ers" it's like saying : shut down 2 of the 10 valve of the V10.
Modern F1 is garbage
It is what it is
@@treeabroadyep, atleast its not fully electric
@@sebastiancalderonpacheco8218they probably won’t as it would literally just be formula e
That's true
Like your brain
Nothing can beat the F2004. 🏎💨
Except the W11 with its ERS system working or on a track like silverstone or Barcelona 😂
It's funny how people say that but only after watching at a track like Monza the fastest on the calendar but w11 would win at almost every other track slick tires or not
Yes W11 easily beats F2004. If the F2004 had been overtaken by the W11 in any corner, it would no longer be able to catch up. Even with the W11 without ERS/DRS. That's why it's the fastest Formula 1 in history.
F2004 was magical
But much slower
It doesn't make sense to turn off the ERS but the weight of the car is the same, to be really fair, since he won't use the system it should remove the weight it generates on the car.
In the description at the start it says, that the ERS weight is taken down
The weight of the ERS was taken, but it is not known for sure what the real weight of the entire system is, so it was estimated. And it is indicated in the car's technical data sheet at the beginning of the video. Thanks for watching
@@dsd6538 Thanks my friend
@@f1virtualfilms have to agree plus that mods highset ers deploy is a little higher than having it balanced
I'm sure that, if the track was Silverstone, the W11 would be closer or even win
It has changed a lot since the days of Schumacher dominance and early Hamilton years
I'm almost determined to do a rematch soon. Thank you my friend
@@f1virtualfilmsyeah definitely. This is just a top speed track. We all know the 2004 are fast.
Even Spa would be good enough.
@@The.Drunk-Koala I will do a rematch on another track. I left the comment pinned at the top for suggestions.
@@f1virtualfilmsspa would be better, it would showcase both cars strengths more.
The fact is that the W11 managed to keep up at the F2004’s best track, without DRS and ERS.
8 tenths in two laps is not really ‘keeping up’
But it had slipstream
@@F1reMaster__EditZz Exactly
The looks and sound of that Ferrari makes it an instant winner.
this is like watching a race between a supercar and a truck
That's it, that's whats missing from F1 !!! pure noise and pure power, bring it back
Didn't expect W11 to be this close with that handicap
slick this, slick that, slick these nuts... if you want to give slicks to the f2004 then unrestrict the fuel flow on the W11, or crank up the engine so it doesn't have to last quarter of a season.
Making excuses on why a 20 year old car beat the w11 🤣
@@daltonv5206 womp womp
Funny thing is that the F2004 would be slower on full slicks. On the straight at least.
@@daltonv5206 There are no excuses. This is a simulation. The W11 would smoke the F2004 on every track that isn't just straights.
@@daltonv5206"beat" a car that's driven by an idiot, has less engine power than usual and is not allowed to use a system it was supposed to run with. No 2004 car has ever done a lap faster than 1:19,5 around monza lmao
There’s no need for a virtual race for this one, in 2020 F1 put on a display in Abu Dhabi, with Alonso driving the 2005 championship-winning car, the Renault R25 V10, very similar to the F2004, in fact the F2004 did a couple of races during the 2005 championship before being replaced. On that day, with the wrong tyres, with an aerodynamic and suspension set-up for another circuit and with the “wrong” fuel, Alonso got into a car he hadn’t driven for 15 years, did a couple of laps and set a time better than the fastest lap of the Sunday race. That sound alone gives those cars an extra 25hp.
You have to remember, 2004/5 cars had refuelling, making them lighter and able to push full power throughout the race.
Hybrid cars have fuel flow limit and carry the fuel for the whole race from the start.
@@champion1642 Yes, of course, there are many edges, and for a qualifying race it is not comparable either, if I remember correctly, in the 2004/05 qualifying races they had to carry a lot of fuel, I think they could not refuel for the start or something like that. Not to mention that in 2005 the qualifying race and the whole race were done with the same set of tyres.
imagine full engine parts 2004-2005 for 3 races in a row witj no change😂😂
And the R25 was on slower Pirellis. The Michelins were wider at the front proviing more grip. Yes they were grooved but they were performance tyres, not super hard control tyres like those demostration Pirellis.
great comparison of power to weight ratio vs modern aerodynamics. a fun race to watch!
Thanks my friend
So the W11 is handicapped by weight and power. How is this even a comparison?
For some stupid kids is
Why no ERS? The W11 has extra weight because of it and can’t use the power?
Weight was reduced with the absence of the ERS.
@@f1virtualfilmsbut not enough
The two fastest F1 car ever, that given to his drivers the 7th championships, incredible!
Thanks my friend
7 and 8
The ERS is pretty essential for the Merc and having it at Monza is clearly going to favour the Ferrari.
The idea was that with the removal of the ERS, the car would lose 160 HP but be around 40/50 kg lighter, which would balance the dispute with the F2004.
Orly. Didnt tought that.
@f1virtualfilms Why try to balance? Why not just compare the cars as they actually are?
Not really a fair test to disable one car by removing an essential part of the engine.
You can't remove ERS of the car's power just to save weight and say it's balanced. It's designed to work that way with ERS, it's heavier than the 2004. Drs is only for overtaking so disabling it is no problem but to remove the tech which is one of the reasons they're using a smaller, more sustainable engine takes away half of what W11 can be with the power recycling and stuff. Just like 1 guy said, it's like taking 2 valves out of the v10. If you remove the weight of 2 valves from the v10(which isn't much) will it be able to offset the power loss? No.
It's like using a drag car against a race car in a dragstrip.
@@f1virtualfilmsmore like 100kg
Ferrari and Mercedes are powerful beasts
"The strongest car in history vs the strongest car at this time" ah situasion
Fastest car in history is W11
With a gigantic rear wing there is no way to have top speed, besides it seems that the 2004 car doesn't have any tow at all.
Because it is stupid game, not real life
This mod doesnt make the wing smallee when the car uses lower downfirce
@@betelgeuse227 poor
Well, put those cars in Singapore or other more technical circuit and result is going to be opposite.
But nice video, especially “sound”. ☺️
I’d be curious to see them at Silverstone , Barcellona & Spa, racing for 3 to 7 laps with Ferrari on slicks..🏎️🏎️✨
The v10 cars were beautiful to look at
And listen to. I’m so glad I grew up an F1 fan during those times.
Not only, V8 were also godly
why not ERS? DRS i agree with as it's a overtaking aid but ERS is part of the hybrid system - what the car was designed with.
With ERS the car would have 1030HP and without it it has approximately 870HP and also less weight. This is close to the F2004 numbers for a fairer dispute.
@@f1virtualfilms Did you want the cars to be artificially as similar as possible...or to have an actual competition based on the historical reality? 🤔😐
@@martinusv7433 Just an attempt to balance things and make the disput between the two cars seem more fair.
@@f1virtualfilmsso not true
@@f1virtualfilms bad atempt
The sound was so good I watched it twice
Thanks for watching my friend
I guess the heavier Mercedes is at a disadvantage in corner entry, corner exit, and acceleration. Being larger it also creates more drag. Having more aero devices it also adds even more drag. Without DRS activation it could not reduce drag.
Just shows you why the V-10 era of the late 90s early 2000s was such an effective F1 car. Perhaps the peak of it being a speed machine. It did not need KERS nor a Hybrid system all of which adds weight penalties.
Good observations my friend. Thank you very much for watching the video
Imagine if the Mercedes could use a new engine every race with unlimited fuel flow, we are looking at over 1200hp without electric power, see how stupid these arguments are
@@broshido2745 True, however as long as the weight is there, it will be at a disadvantage. A faster car makes it more difficult to brake for corner entry.
The F2004 is still lighter than the Mercedes. 600+ kgs versus 700+. The hundred kg difference is felt on slow corners where aerodynamic downforce becomes reduced.
What I'd re-imagine is the F2004 in full slick tyres and maybe 1000 bhp at 20000rpm and aerodynamic design of the F2007 that won Kimi his only driver's title.
Im surprised Lewis didn’t complain about track limits.
Flyby at the end…
And those differences are the reason I haven't watched F1 for years.
The size difference is hilarious
Can you re make this around spa? Or say a high speed downforce circuit? Turkey maybe ?
Wow how fast the ferrari was without ers 😮😮😮
People are getting the wrong message from this video. You can remove half the cylinders and replace with a turbo, and the Merc f1 car would win in an actual race. Why? Bc the f2004 would actually need to refuel and would break down several times over the course of the season, while the turbo hybrid wouldn’t. Anyone can go in a straight line, look at how much ground the new car makes up in the corners it’s like another formula
Put the f2004 on slicks then chat
i dont care who wins, the v10 screams already win my ear
thanks for watching my friend
W11 is not the fastest f1 car ever I think the w12 with illegal engine from Brasil is Faster
Indeed, but it wasnt just from Brazil. The last five races until Abu Dhabi.
In general performance, the W11 was superior to the W12.
@@f1virtualfilms well mate, he wasn't referring to overall strength. That 2021 doped engine was something worse than the 2019 Ferrari.
omg....you know nothing about F1 and how it operates....you are completely clueless!!
Illegal? Since when was it deemed illegal?
Could you do this at a different track that is a mix of high downforce and speed to make it more fair
There is another video on SPA: ua-cam.com/video/fZchUSoSV2E/v-deo.html
@@f1virtualfilms alr
Speed is already irrelevant, this is the sound of F1!
I think this circuit was an advantage to F2004, try the balanced circuits like Singapore etc 😅
Can you make one with full spec? W11 with DRS/ERS and F2004 with slicks.
There is already a video on the channel about this but I will redo it soon with a better W11 mod: ua-cam.com/video/vmBLEPvJpyY/v-deo.html
@@f1virtualfilms Oh my fucking god it killed W11 🤯🤯🤯
Thank you. Two comments:
1) the main gain of the old car is on the straights, while the comparison is on unique high-speed Monza. On the other average track the result will be different;
2) seems, that the modern car top speed on the straights is too low, since Monza setup in any case shall enable the car to reach 340-350 km/h without DRS
Why not test W11 without handicaps but give the F2004 slick tyres? And if F2004 loses then give it DRS as well (with some mod or something).
He really couldn't keep up with the damn old Ferrari 😂
Proof that it was once better,faster.
Today's unnecessary longer (frame) and just not the same fast.
Where did F1 go
Longer cars are actually necessary today
@@Riccardo-ej8cdexcluding safety concerns, why would you need longer cars?
@@sebastiancalderonpacheco8218 A car must be balanced, more or less half of the weight must be on the front and the other half on the rear.
Current cars have really heavy batteries on the rear, a longer car push the point of balance near the center of the car
@@Riccardo-ej8cd thanks!
V10 sound 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
Again n again. A stupid comparison !!!!!
Do a hotlap for each car. Then compare the laptime.
Then it will be valid !!!!!!
Thank you for the suggestion
since this is all hypothetical, you should make a race where the F2004 carries 200kg of fuel to start a race, while the W11 carries 100kg, and run a proper simulation of a full race. The W11's biggest handicap is it being a bigger car to carry all the fuel for a single race, as well as all the heavy hybrid bits. It's bonus is being energy efficient and powerful despite using only half as much fuel as the 2004. 1 lap races will essentuate the w11 weakness, and give everything in favor of the f2004, which could refuel mid-race and also use as much fuel as it liked. Another possible race is remove the hybrid system of the w11, but allow it to use 2x as much fuel.
Thanks for the suggestions my friend
That doesn't sound right, in race trim F2004 did 1:21.046 in 2004 race, which is, to this day, the fastest lap in Monza during a race. W11 wasn't even close (1:22.746).
Sound of the Ferrari hands down but why remove ers? Its part of the power plant for the Mercedes and it will still have to drag the weight around.
The weight of the Hybrid system was removed and is informed at the beginning of the video.
I wonder what the F2004 could do if you put slicks on it, like the Merc has.
Can the v10 last 6 races? Nope. Can it run full race distance with only 110kg of fuel? Nope, thing is thirsty af.
😂 so much for a 20 years of development of a car ..resulting almost a second slower
They had to change che rules to destroy ferrari’s SUPREMACY
Ngl that f2004 is the most beautiful f1 car ever
Without watching the video, there is NO chance for the W11 without DRS and ERS.
Update: After watching the video, the W11 is CLEARLY implemented incorrectly here (or the F2004 is driven more poorly than the W11). Since the power is similar, the W11's weight is much higher and the frontal area is much larger, there is no way the W11 would be able to keep up on the straights. The F2004 can do over 350 km/h in Monza. The castrated W11 maybe 30 km/h less. The W11 without ERS and DRS (even with a weight decrease) laps several seconds slower than the regular W11.
We will only really know the truth if this were done in real life.
@@f1virtualfilms No, the W11 is dead without DRS and ERS. The advantage in corners is minimal (more downforce and grip but more weight and drag, not to mention a wider car which makes the usable radius smaller) and the disadvantage on straights is massive. Also, the F2004 in Assetto Corsa actually has 880 PS which is quite a bit less than the most powerful revision used IRL. The real car's limit (with fuel for just one lap, optimized setup, no tyre management, softest compound) is in fact very similar to the W11 on fast tracks, even with DRS and ERS. And without them, the W11 is miles behind. Obviously, if you disabled fuel flow limits etc., the W11 could be pushed to insane engine power. But just removing the mass of the ERS doesn't solve the weight and size problem. Basically, to keep up at least a bit (in Monza), you would have to run extremely low wings and that would cancel any remaining corner advantage while still not achieving the F2004's straight-line performance. The fastest lap in 2004 was 1:21.0 (still the fastest race lap in F1 history). In 2020, 1:22.7. Without ERS and DRS, you can expect ~1:26 (in a race).
@@jakubkrcma Thank you very much for the comment and for all this information as it is very relevant.
@@f1virtualfilms You're welcome. 🙂
New cars are very wide! Overtaking is getting more difficult
You're right. Thanks for watching
What game is this, looks very impressive
I wonder what this comparison would be like if you gave the F2004 slicks. Then gave the Merc ERS/DRS, then do a run with both! 👀
I've already done this, but I believe the mod I used wasn't as good, but even so I still believe the F2004 is faster. I'm thinking about redoing this race with the current mod I have from W11.
The w11 is way heavier
Bring back V10s
V8s at least
What's the point of calling the W11 the fastest f1 car?
F2004 is an F1 car too
Would love to see a real life comparison between the two
What a monstrosity is the Mercedes compared to the tiny Ferrari. They should have kept the cars tiny with refueling.
It would not change that much
But refueling makes strategy boring
Thats why they dont do these tests in reality.
Makes modern F1 look stupid that a 20 year old car could beat them and out sound them !
The F2004 isnt even on full slicks
So basically without DRS these current gen cars are useless😂
Michael Ferrari is Best Ever.Amazing.❤❤
V10 seasons were King of the F1 history
I Igree
that's how f1 car should really be 😢
F2004, a REAL F1 car.
What a Car, What an engine, What a sound!
No electric motors, no nonsense, Just pure V10 symphony.
👍👍
Current cars just corner better but tyre management means you are always adjusting every second. Pirelli were asked to make tyres that fall off a hill. Older cars are way more animalistic. Power without the gimmicks. Faster doesn't mean better and science doesn't mean progression. Its the drivers who make the races. I love touring cars and they go slow as fuck. 🤷♂️😂
All I could think of was "modern cars are so big"
I don’t even need to watch the video to know which one is faster.. the Mercedes are considered fast because of the speed in corners that made a huge difference in lap times which are major time losses in any lap although being fast in a straight line
I think it'd be the opposite at pretty much any other circuit...but doesn't matter, I miss that sound so much 😢
... So the older product is superior...
The Ferrari 2004 is on the straight better, cause he has more topspeed with 850 hp. The Mercedes w11 has better aerodynamic so he was in the corners faster but without erst he has just 650 hp.
Monza is highspeed with long straith and good for the Ferrari.
On Barcelona I think the Mercedes w11 was faster but only in the corners.
The w11 would win. As that guy said if you are taking out the ers you should subtract the weight of it then W11 would win. The V10 sounds amazing though. Go back to V10 with 100% sustainable fuel. Simple
This is such a pointless test.
Removong ERS and and turbo completely changes the dtnamics of the Merc. Its aero is designed around havong that power.
DRS yes I understand, but changnig the lower fo the car doesnt jaut affect it in 1 aspect. The whole car design is around both the oower and aero together.
There was two distinct difference in 2004 and recent cars, 1. Sound and 2. Size. Hope F1 management address both the issue and make the recent circus F1 again.
In other words, you need to cut DRS, ERS and choose the track with the most possible straights to make F2004 compete against the W11
So a car with a smaller engine, more wheight and bigger could be in a gap under 1 second from this Ferrari, without using it's full power? Is this F2004 really a fast car? Now I have some doubts.
Smaller lighter... nimble... looks better... sounds waaayy better... god these current f1 cars are hideous and sound like blady a like a blady blender
Sorry but this comparison is flat, lacking or blurred what is it is it, both car had different set of rules thus the engineer need to make different set up.
But anyway is good to see the duel, it showed how great the 2004 machinery is. Forza Ferrari ❤
Why taking ers out? Is part of the engine... if you eliminate it, consider that they would push more on ICU
The conclusion is that w11 without drs is the plain shit while the f2004 is the best f1 car ever.🏎️
That’s when F1 was a sport, rather than a WWF-like-made-to-NetFlix show
Removing the ERS makes no sense whatsoever. Next you'll want to add slicks to the F2004. Stop inventing.
The best track for f2004 and the worst for w11. Try something in between. Bahrain or Silverstone for example
F1 died when idiots come to put hybrid systems to a Pure speed car... This V10 is so agile that putted in Tourist car it will beat any modern Electric or Hybrid car we have
At high speed low downforce circuits, the Ferrari is better. However, the merc absolutely wins at the other circuits. Much more downforce and speed it can carry through the corners
This isn’t fair for the Mercedes,the Ferrari has a much more powerful engine and higher top speed,and monza is a track that relies on high speed,therefore going on a track like hockenheim or maybe even Monaco would be more fair
Thats bullshit the mercedes has noch a ers and drs but he has to carry on the original weight… the race should me fair vor every body
100 % potential ferrari vs 100 % potential from mercedes
just goes to show how much technology has improved in just over 15 years seen as the mercedes was just under 1 second slower than the ferrariand that's even though the mercedes was 100kg heavier and also wasn't using ers or drs and if the mercedes was the same weight as the ferrari and also was using both ears and drs then it would have been at least 1 second a lap faster maybe even 2 seconds faster and not 1 second slower
Even with DRS and ERS the Mercedes would have lost vs the F2004 if the Ferrari had the current slicks. The 2004 cars had full power all the time, the current cars need to gather energy and cannot be deploying the ERS constantly
That's right friend. I try to explain this all the time. Thanks