Such a lovely horse One Man & did well to win this twice as he barely got 3 miles, remember him stopping like he'd hit a brick wall at the second last in the GC..
Worth remembering One Man won this 6 seconds faster than Kauto Star's 2009 distance win. In doing so he beat a future Gold Cup winner & a previous winner of this race as well as a Grand National winner. No one is crabbing Kauto, it's just that he has beaten NOTHING in his King George races. Yes he would have been competitive against Dessie & One Man, but whether his jumping would have held together against more equal opposition around here I'd seriously doubt it.
I'm getting the impression btw that your original comment here is sort of saying that Kauto Star hadn't proved himself yet - have your views on this matter changed since this year's King George?
Oddly, though, I've never seen any b&w King Georges, even though it was one of the very first races to be televised - the BBC were showing it by 1948 - and it attracted the greats of the day pretty much from the beginning. I suspect the BBC probably didn't keep copies. I'm not sure I'd *want* to see 1965, though, when Dunkirk was killed, and the 1966 version when Arkle was injured wasn't even shown, I think because of a dispute with the Kempton authorities (how times change, eh).
It's only now when watching this again, it looks like One Man doesn't appear to stay; on the run-in, Richard Dunwoody almost seems to be shoving up his neck to get him home. However, Brian Harding, who won a Hennessy and the Champion Chase on him, got a real song out of him. I firmly believe the horse needed to be waited with, because he always seemed to be running a bit lazy when in front in his later years. I also think he preferred flat tracks.
@Arazi124 Barnbrook Again was top class winning a champion chase. ED was a glorified handicapper. Forgive & Forget was top class & was even placed to Dawn Run in a Gold Cup. KS beat handicappers when winning by 36l. He clocked 6m 7s in good to soft that day. Long Run is the first decent horse except Denman he has ever faced. He was smashed out of sight in 6m 3s on SOFT ground...an AMAZING time! Nicholls has said he would not have beaten him even if he was on top of his game!
re. the ground for this race (officially good to firm but called "firm to frozen" by some) I wonder whether anyone will ever dig up the 1964 King George? That was quite a bizarre race - Arkle wasn't involved, but Mill House scared everyone off before being withdrawn, and only two ran (Frenchman's Cove beat I forget who). What intrigues me though is that the ground was officially *hard*, which must mean they were pretty much racing on ice.
@foriamonlyahorse1 Please don't refer to me as having a short memory, most of my favourite horses are from the early 90's when I was growing up. I just feel people can go too far the other way and hold up horses they watched years ago on pedastal. If you look at Toby Tobias & Exotic Dancer's career's they are very similar. Both finished second in a King George & a Gold Cup. Plus they both won the Martell Cup at Aintree & the race now known as the Argento Chase at Cheltenham.
@foriamonlyahorse1 Also, just to clarify with Barnbrook Again. On overall ability I'd put Barnbrook Again ahead of Exotic Dancer. I know what a fabulous 2m - 2m 4f chaser he was. I was just saying that over 3m in my opinion I feel Exotic Dancer would be superior as that distance really stretched BA's stamina. Obviously, I know you'll disagree so I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Getting into a heated debate that can't be proved one way or another is pretty pointless. :)
@foriamonlyahorse11 Exotic Dancer finished placed behind Kauto Star in two of his King George victories and he was a top class chaser. In my opinion, ED was a superior horse over 3m to the likes of Rough Quest, Toby Tobias, Barnbrook Again & Kildimo who finished placed behind Desert Orchid & One Man. So if you say KS beat nothing in his King George victories then you might as well say that Dessie & One Man beat nothing as well in my view.
Kauto Star is a great horse no doubt about it but I wont class him as a true giant until ive seen him (not going to happen) land a top class handicap giving lumps of weight to other smart performers. It annoys me when i see comments of how he is is equally top class at 2 or 3 miles as his Tingle Creek wins prove. He won them as level weight contests Desert Orchid would have matched / bettered his score but he was running in it as a handicap.
its a fair point that mr mulligan was a gold cup winner and barton bank was a king george winner...and one man made them look like donkeys...however the question is about the distance...at 3.2 miles kauto wins....3 miles or less and one man wins....one man had better speed and was a great jumper...kauto had the better engine....priveliged enough to have backed em both...one man was my ever horse...and kauto my second
One Man was running on fumes there. Didn't even get the 3 miles around Kempton ffs. And this was a shithouse of a King George against horses with no speed at all. Mr Mulligan, arguably the worst Gold Cup winner on record, would probably have stayed on and beat him had it not fallen. Kauto Star had the speed to win a Tingle Creek and would have won a Queen Mother CC. It went on to win 2 gold cups and FIVE King Georges, in REAL speed and staying tests against horses with both. Suffice to say that, you, sir, have no clue if you think One Man was the better horse. And you mock others? You and the halfwit above me are truly wotless.
Goonerville Gonad anyone who can watch this race and say mr mulligan wouldve stayed on and won this race is worthless of any opinion......sadly a tolerant society allows all to have an opinion......suffice to say it has at times led to nazi germany and reality tv....arsenal are shite trophyless boring cunts
im sure kauto would be capable of givin away plenty of weight to any of the 3 mile handicappers around..i mean if denman can do it then kauto certainly can!!
Not as good as his win at Sandown and no not much footage of him online most of my previous stuff of him got deleted. I have all his chase carear big wins on vid.
well done One man not many horses have won a champion chase and a king george
Edredon Bleu did, backed him to win the King George at 20-1 😁
Such a lovely horse One Man & did well to win this twice as he barely got 3 miles, remember him stopping like he'd hit a brick wall at the second last in the GC..
absolutely great memory
One Man = a very good horse
Worth remembering One Man won this 6 seconds faster than Kauto Star's 2009 distance win. In doing so he beat a future Gold Cup winner & a previous winner of this race as well as a Grand National winner.
No one is crabbing Kauto, it's just that he has beaten NOTHING in his King George races. Yes he would have been competitive against Dessie & One Man, but whether his jumping would have held together against more equal opposition around here I'd seriously doubt it.
@MrBirminghamcityfc your welcome thats why i post them glad you enjoyed it.
What a quality field??
I'm getting the impression btw that your original comment here is sort of saying that Kauto Star hadn't proved himself yet - have your views on this matter changed since this year's King George?
Oddly, though, I've never seen any b&w King Georges, even though it was one of the very first races to be televised - the BBC were showing it by 1948 - and it attracted the greats of the day pretty much from the beginning. I suspect the BBC probably didn't keep copies. I'm not sure I'd *want* to see 1965, though, when Dunkirk was killed, and the 1966 version when Arkle was injured wasn't even shown, I think because of a dispute with the Kempton authorities (how times change, eh).
@littlebay75 That is right....they were relentless gallopers.
It's only now when watching this again, it looks like One Man doesn't appear to stay; on the run-in, Richard Dunwoody almost seems to be shoving up his neck to get him home. However, Brian Harding, who won a Hennessy and the Champion Chase on him, got a real song out of him. I firmly believe the horse needed to be waited with, because he always seemed to be running a bit lazy when in front in his later years. I also think he preferred flat tracks.
@Arazi124 Barnbrook Again was top class winning a champion chase. ED was a glorified handicapper. Forgive & Forget was top class & was even placed to Dawn Run in a Gold Cup. KS beat handicappers when winning by 36l. He clocked 6m 7s in good to soft that day. Long Run is the first decent horse except Denman he has ever faced. He was smashed out of sight in 6m 3s on SOFT ground...an AMAZING time! Nicholls has said he would not have beaten him even if he was on top of his game!
re. the ground for this race (officially good to firm but called "firm to frozen" by some) I wonder whether anyone will ever dig up the 1964 King George? That was quite a bizarre race - Arkle wasn't involved, but Mill House scared everyone off before being withdrawn, and only two ran (Frenchman's Cove beat I forget who). What intrigues me though is that the ground was officially *hard*, which must mean they were pretty much racing on ice.
@foriamonlyahorse1
Please don't refer to me as having a short memory, most of my favourite horses are from the early 90's when I was growing up. I just feel people can go too far the other way and hold up horses they watched years ago on pedastal. If you look at Toby Tobias & Exotic Dancer's career's they are very similar. Both finished second in a King George & a Gold Cup. Plus they both won the Martell Cup at Aintree & the race now known as the Argento Chase at Cheltenham.
@foriamonlyahorse1
Also, just to clarify with Barnbrook Again. On overall ability I'd put Barnbrook Again ahead of Exotic Dancer. I know what a fabulous 2m - 2m 4f chaser he was. I was just saying that over 3m in my opinion I feel Exotic Dancer would be superior as that distance really stretched BA's stamina. Obviously, I know you'll disagree so I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Getting into a heated debate that can't be proved one way or another is pretty pointless. :)
@foriamonlyahorse11 Exotic Dancer finished placed behind Kauto Star in two of his King George victories and he was a top class chaser. In my opinion, ED was a superior horse over 3m to the likes of Rough Quest, Toby Tobias, Barnbrook Again & Kildimo who finished placed behind Desert Orchid & One Man. So if you say KS beat nothing in his King George victories then you might as well say that Dessie & One Man beat nothing as well in my view.
I thought it was only cats you tampered with?
Kauto Star is a great horse no doubt about it but I wont class him as a true giant until ive seen him (not going to happen) land a top class handicap giving lumps of weight to other smart performers. It annoys me when i see comments of how he is is equally top class at 2 or 3 miles as his Tingle Creek wins prove. He won them as level weight contests Desert Orchid would have matched / bettered his score but he was running in it as a handicap.
lol Yes very likely thanks for the correction
one man was running on fumes at the end of that race, after the last fence he seemed ok, then it's as if he hit a brick wall.
He's the only horse to win 2 king George chases in the same year
you need to go and see a shrink haha ..kauto woudnt av lived with dessie or one man hahaha nice 1 ......"there comin too take me away haha "
its a fair point that mr mulligan was a gold cup winner and barton bank was a king george winner...and one man made them look like donkeys...however the question is about the distance...at 3.2 miles kauto wins....3 miles or less and one man wins....one man had better speed and was a great jumper...kauto had the better engine....priveliged enough to have backed em both...one man was my ever horse...and kauto my second
One Man was running on fumes there. Didn't even get the 3 miles around Kempton ffs. And this was a shithouse of a King George against horses with no speed at all. Mr Mulligan, arguably the worst Gold Cup winner on record, would probably have stayed on and beat him had it not fallen.
Kauto Star had the speed to win a Tingle Creek and would have won a Queen Mother CC. It went on to win 2 gold cups and FIVE King Georges, in REAL speed and staying tests against horses with both.
Suffice to say that, you, sir, have no clue if you think One Man was the better horse. And you mock others? You and the halfwit above me are truly wotless.
Goonerville Gonad anyone who can watch this race and say mr mulligan wouldve stayed on and won this race is worthless of any opinion......sadly a tolerant society allows all to have an opinion......suffice to say it has at times led to nazi germany and reality tv....arsenal are shite trophyless boring cunts
***** Good grief...
Goonerville Gonad like a clubber lang prediction all who dare to challenge the southside stunner feel PAIN!!!!!........btw how shite are arsenal??
im sure kauto would be capable of givin away plenty of weight to any of the 3 mile handicappers around..i mean if denman can do it then kauto certainly can!!
Not as good as his win at Sandown and no not much footage of him online most of my previous stuff of him got deleted. I have all his chase carear big wins on vid.
Strong promis was leading too far out