Dune Part 2 Won’t Ever Release Deleted Scenes: Director Explains Why
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2024
- The TJCS crew discuss director Denis Villeneuve explaining why he won’t release deleted scenes from Dune: Part Two.
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You release deleted scenes and all you get is backseat "filmmakers" online saying "Why didn't they keep this in the movie?"
True 😂
In dune 2 though there was several scenes where they were setting something up and then jumped to paying something else off. The worst case being where Paul was heading into the desert alone and Chani joins him to teach him the ways. We then jump to them winning a battle. Where was the 45 minutes of film in between that? There's a 5-6 hour cut of this film that I think I'd love.
Why does that bother you? It doesn't change the directors vision. Besides, it's art. People are allowed to disagree with the artist and interpret scenes differently. Most people aren't going to edit the deleted scenes into the finished product so having them available doesn't serve any purpose than the viewers amusement. Idk where this whole anti-extra footage sentiment came from, but it's weird that people are trying to make it a new trend.
@simini101 Exactly, several people have noticed that. It's like Ridley Scott's recent Napolean biopic, where you can tell there are gaps in the story that are a bit jarring, and you know stuff was left out. But at least Scott offers us the full version that will be available on Apple TV. Unlike Villenueve who's depriving us of a fuller and more fleshed out story.
Why couldn't he offer Dune Pt.2 Extended on Apple if not Blu-Ray? Blu-Ray & UHD Blu-Ray are better though because of less compression.
He felt it was better for the movie to remove it. Hence, if he put it back in, it would become a worse film under his professional opinion. His decision is more well-informed than yours, as he actually knows the scenes, their context, their impact on the flow, etc. In addition, he's an expert at his craft, why would he want to release a worse version of a movie?@@MrX-zz2vk
Ultimately, if Denis chooses to let the film be the film without any scenes saved for later restoration, that's his call. I actually respect it.
He does not have that Snyder "You should see the extended cut" excuse
Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'
- from "Collected Sayings of Maud'Dib'' by the Princess Irulan
Knowing that Villeneuve is a die-hard Dune fan, he really took this philosophy to heart!
There is a part in the film that was a bit confusing and I thought in an extended edition that would explain it. when Chani suddenly is flying an Ornithopter but we didn't get to see when she got it and somehow she was separated from Paul even though in the previous scene they were both riding the sand worms. Also since it cuts out how a character stays behind to distract the Harconin forces as people flee. I guess that won't be shown at all. Either way I respect Denis's decision.
I appreciate Denis's opinion that the version we saw was the best, but I respectfully disagree with the notion that no one should see deleted scenes. Renowned filmmakers such as Peter Jackson, Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, Guillermo del Toro, and Terry Gilliam have released alternative and extended cuts that enhance, rather than detract from, the original experience. These cuts serve as supplementary content that adds to an already enjoyable film. It is important to recognize that Denis's perspective is personal and does not necessarily indicate the beginning of a trend, as some individuals may suggest.
And that was their decision for their films. If Denis doesn't want to release a worse film, he shouldn't have to
@@bradleyc6564 you assume it would be worse? Why? I really don't get what your deal has been over this.
The professional filmmaker who's an expert at his craft believes it is, so he should not be forced to release something he doesn't like when it's his film.@@spicymemes7458
there’s a difference between a “director’s cut” and an “extended cut.” I understand you can’t release a four-hour movie to theatres… but why can’t you do that on home video?
I've heard Denis talk about this before. Regarding the earlier DUNE film and regarding almost all of his previous movies, including BLADERUNNER & ARRIVAL. He is obsessive about telling the story he wants to tell the way he wants to tell it the first time, and the only time. He literally does not consider the movie with deleted scenes returned to be the same story or as good a story.
For instance, we know that originally DUNE Part 2 had an extended sequence that included the Mentat Thurfir Hywatt from the first movie. It took weeks to film and was very long and complicated. It took place after Duke Leto's murder, and involved Thurfir being mentally broken and then being forced into service for the Baron. The actor talked about what a pleasure it was to work with Austin Butler and about how proud he was of his and everyone's performances--and about how much he wishes that story beat had remained.
But Deni didn't cut it because it was bad or because the movie was too long already. He has said over and over that he makes the movies the length they need to be. Rather, he said he cut it because it made the overall story more muddied; including that sequence subtly changed the entire movie because then it was no longer just about the Benne Jesuit acting as the dominant force behind all political intrigue. The scenes went deeply into mentat culture and gave hints about the power wielded by the great mentat school, which left Denis feeling that to include those scenes also indirectly diminished how powerful the Benne Jesuit seemed. Denis said, "I'm telling a Bene Jesuit story, not a metnat story....so those parts had to go. And it broke my heart."
Dude literally spends months with the editors fine tuning his movies until what he releases are the absolute closest thing to his intended vision. The theatrical release IS the movie and anything else just distorts viewers' understanding and expectations.
Personally, I'd still love to see that stuff, but I'm kind of in awe about how fanatical Denis is about protecting the integrity of the stories he wants to tell.
@@joelsommers - I would refer you to my original comment: there is a difference between a “director’s cut” and an “extended cut.” we understand that the theatrical release is the definitive version, but that doesn’t mean the deleted scenes can’t add to details and depth to the story, or that they should go to waste and never be appreciated by anyone.
and also… Villeneuve is a master of his craft, but I’d say pacing is one area he could use some improvement 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sam_T2000 Right. I did read your answer. I'm just telling you that DV claims for him there is no such extended cut. We get the extended cut in the theater. He says if it needs to be four hours, then it will be four hours. He cuts out the stuff that changes the story he's trying to tell, not stuff that doesn't fit in an allotted time limit. And I probably agree with you on pacing. I'm just repeating what he has said on the subject.
@@joelsommers - I just wish Peter Jackson would write him a letter and explain how great extended cuts can be 👍
That is called egocentrism! I love Deni movies, but that is stupid. He is thinking only about himself, not on the fans or the public.
Just release an extended cut and go make the next one.
So, no extended edition that is 5 hours long once the 3rd film is out... that sucks, as we can see it works amazingly for films like the LotR trilogy, but I get it
The extended editions of Lord of the Rings are fun but are definitely not better movies. They are all over the place in terms of pacing and structure. It's just deus ex machine after deus ex machine. Feels like a video game not a movie. Peter Jackson released it for the fans, but he cut the originals the way they were for a reason.
@@bradleyc6564I like both for different reasons, but I appreciate the option of how I want to experience them
A certain fandom is gonna take this very personally
Which one?
Ridley Scott deleted the cocoon scene in Alien but James Cameron considered it canon to include coccons in Aliens.
I wish they would release “Dune”, combining parts 1 and 2 plus the deleted scenes. It would probably be like 6-7 hours long, which I think would make it truly the greatest singular sci-fi film epic of all time
Completely understand his reasons. Gutted we don’t get the Thufir Hawat scenes with Feyd. They sounded intense.
I can respect his decision. But I don’t like the feeling of knowing it exists and that we’ll never see it. Now I want something I can’t have 😂🤷♂️
I hate to say this, but that's literally every movie lol
Whether we get to see deleted scenes or extended versions should be for the director to decide. I agree. But I'm assuming that Denis Villeneuve had final cut on the Dune films. David Lynch didn't have it on his Dune movie.
But other director's disagree, and that's fine as well. I really prefer the Extended Editions of Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit to the theatrical ones, so I'm glad he decided to make them.
As a Dune fan, I really wanted Thufir and Fenring in the sequel. Bit disappointed with the deletions as well as some big changes from the books.
@@consciousgentile5141 I mean, he was the Atreides master of assassins. He's so good he disappeared completely.
And apparently the biggest and most painful sequence that was cut focused on Thurfir and his punishing psychological torture at the hands of the baron and Feyed. I would have loved to have seen that stuff. But Denis said bluntly that keeping it changed the entire movie. He wanted to tell a story about the Bene Jesuit as the Imperium's political puppeteers and those Thurfir scenes brought mentat power into the lore, which DV said somehow diminished how the BJ came across. I suppose we'll never know, but knowing the movie I got was in obsessive fealty to DV's vision makes me a little less salty about it.
@@joelsommers I heard the same. I don't see how acknowledging a single mentat and master of assassin's ability to manipulate a power hungry maniac (feyd) diminishes the Bene Gesserit, but it's not my decision.
One note is that it is never explained what a mentat is in the movies...
@@stefanlvkc7986 I'm actually not sure that Denis is ever going to fully integrate mentats into his DUNE universe, at least to any degree similar to the book. I also think it's an open question as whether or not he'll introduce the spacing guild in any significant way.
I can understand his reasoning, but I still think it's wrong. Peter Jackson still thinks that the theatrical version of LOTR is the best version. Many, at least the majority of fans, prefer the extended cut. This option should also be available in Dune, because ultimately it's all about options.
His opinion isn't wrong. It's his film. He gets the final say, not fans. Just because fans may be happy about an extended edition, he has no obligation to flatter them and release what he believes to be a worse film.
I want to see the scene showing how the hell Paul got off that sandworm.
I mean if it's not in an official extended cut, I don't want to see the scenes
About the cannon debate, no deleted scenes aren't cannon. However as you see with the debate between authorial intent vs death of the author, it's entirely fair for people to take those deleted scenes and believe that they are part of the story FOR THEM.
sometimes the "real" movie does not make it to the theatres because the directors need to cut out scenes because of non artistic reasons, e.g. shorter runtime, PG13 restrictions etc. There is a difference between "deleted scenes" and the ones which make it into a "directors cut". Some of these versions are better than the theatrical version, some are not.
The big question I'd love to ask Denis is why did he crop the aspect ratio of Dune 1 and probably will for Dune 2 as well on physical media. I'd love to see all the imax scenes blown up to 16:9 like in the nolan films.
"Directors' cuts" are an indication that the studio got its way and the director compromised in some manner, and the *real* movie isn't what was intended.
The Kubricks of this world (of which Denis is) are immune to control once they've proven themselves. They see time as their greatest enemy, the ultimate limiter of the projects they'll get to do before they go, so *wasting* time making approximations of the fundamental ideas reduces the slices of genius they can cut from their aging bones. Life's too short to go by half measures.
Nolan has similar studio immunity and still has deleted scenes. This is just personal to Denis, nothing to do with being an auteur
I was an extra on Braveheart when it was shooting all the battle scenes in ireland. We shot a scene at night where the scottish troops were being chased through a forest by english horsemen, which wasn't in the actual film, and they told us at the time when we were filming it that it wouldn't be in the finished film. I always wondered what that was about
This is one time when Villneuve should make an exception. New Dune desperately needs little bit more character development and 30-40 minutes more for both movies
That's your opinion and his is different. But it's his decision and if he thinks the movie would be worse if it were kept in, then why would he do another release that's just a worse version of the movie?
@@bradleyc6564 Because story of Dune is more important than him
He is adapting it. It's his call whether he cuts scenes or makes it so that Alia doesn't kill Baron Harkonnen@@worlddd7777
understandable but unfortunate.
that's one of the things that makes Blu-rays/DVDs worth getting.
getting to see the making of, and stuff that might not've made it for some reason or other.
i understand the rationality, i just think that it sucks that there won't be maybe like a top 5 or 6 scenes that got deleted for flow that we could see out of pure curiosity.
I think it would be fine that he release his cinematic version and edit out what is not importent or what won't effect the story and when it is released for blu ray there is no problem that he edit back the deleted scenes to get fuller understand and for the fans who wants to go deep into the film's story
I mean it´s a nice bonus to see scenes that did´t make it in. Dose´t have to be a new cut of the movie.
Paul Atreides will make him see reason 😂
I like and resect what he said about the reasoning behind not including them but am still disappointed that they won't be on the 4k/Blu Ray. I always enjoy seeing a director's original vision compared to what the official release is especially with movies based on a novel that is usually where we get to see more book specific bits. Having said that I've already pre-ordered the steel book and will enjoy watching the movie itself on repeat
Never is a long time. Especially when the film has been out for two years and ceases to make money. Expect a reworked, much longer directors cut, in about three years. The producers and investors of this property will demand it, so Dune can continue making them money. The makers of the three Dune Movies better get on board with doing it, so they can control the final product. Otherwise, the investors will get a hack to do it, and the 'directors cut will be an awful, inferior product. This will not be the last Dune series of movies ever made so they better not try to hallucenate this thing is the end all be all. It's a money making endeavor.
Imagine Denis watching his "extended" cuts , just so he can say "My Dune"
😂😂😂😂
😄😂😂😂😂
Cameron’s Aliens and the Abyss are u questionably better with his longer directors cuts.
Scott kingdom of heaven is unquestionable a better movie.
Peter Jackson gave the book fans more of what they wanted in his extended editions.
I wish there was that option for dune book lovers.
Deleted scenes are canon if you want them to be. Audience interpret >> Author intent
I really hate how physical media is not adding deleted scenes and bloopers why?! Even tv shows dvd are doing it now.
I also think it depends on why it was cut out. You hear so many times, that the reason a scene was cut from the movie was for time (in that they were given a directive from the studio that a particular film should not exceed a certain amount of minutes), and not to improve the flow of the movie, but so that it can increase the number of movie showings at the theatre etc.
I just loved Part II cut. It went fluently the whole time, there no scene missing, no scene overstaying. So I do not need extended cut of Part II.
On the other hand, there were a lot for me missing in Part I. For someone that did not read the book had to be lost in story. That cut was little chaotic, scenes deffinitelly missing and what was left in there needed to breathe a little more. So I would like to see extended version of Part I.
I get what Denis is saying, but with some films like The Exorcist’s spider-walk scene, fans clamored to see it for so many years, Friedkin gave in and gave us ‘The Version You’ve Never Seen. There were so many different versions of Blade Runner until Scott finally made his Final Cut. What about Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings’s Extended Cuts, and what Ridley Scott did with his recut of A L I EN? Fans were dying to see what happened with Dallas, and James Cameron’s extended ALIENS! Even Coppola did it for The Godfather series! I’ve loved these alternative versions when they’ve either cut them back in and/or placed them on the deleted scenes bonus features for discs!😊👍🏽
I wanna see more!
It's very rare we even get commentary ' we're lucky to even get a documentary on are disc's these days.
Every time I watch the batman I stop and watch the deleted joker scene and then continue. I understand his reasoning and if doesn't want to release them that's fine but some scenes make a movie just a little bit better. I hope to see the scenes and I hope there is a directors cut in the future. When the product is good more of it doesn't hurt since the theatrical cut still exists
I would rather watch films from director with strong opinion like Villeneuve than fims design by committee.
What is the film is butchered byt studio against the directors will?
Yeah but I mean lost media is a thing. Losing whole versions of movies (famously Magnificent Ambersons, or even Blade Runner) in this case its not studio interference like it was for those two examples, which is nice but even seeing the alternate scene or deleted scene is a great way of showing the creative method and also preventing losing any future media. Saying it just doesn't exist is not really true and it might even be worthwhile to showcase how hard all these people worked on it but still comment on why it had to be cut. Brad Bird does that with some of his films and the way he explains the process is so educational.
He didn't say he wouldn't release them. His statement is that won't recut the movie to incorporate them. At least that's how I took it.
He's said in the past that he wouldn't - he did it with the first one. That's what's annoying with Denis' position on deleted scenes.
Ah, they'll never get release because he has final cut on his movies, so the studio can't even release them.
I think this is such a big mistake. The ones interested in the longer version of these movies are the die hard fans who LOVED them to begin with and have seen/will have seen each Part over and over again by the time this trilogy is done. They should be rewarded down the road (10 year anniversary?) with a much longer cut.
Why release a worse version of the movie?
When I think of an alternative cut of a movie that is the real version of the movie, the first one that comes to mind for me is Kingdom of Heaven.
I think it depends on the movie honestly. If a superhero movie has to cut down its runtime and 2 or 3 semi-important scenes end up cut and there's a kind of hole from one scene to the next, then it's a question of "okay what in between here got them there"
Disagree completely and the best example as of why is “The Lord of the Rings Extended edition” You can’t tell me with a straight face that theatrical cut is a better version😊. On top of that let’s include Apocalypse Now Redux
Peter Jackson would tell you with a straight face that the LOTR Theatrical Versions are better.
@@pitchingwedge7546I'd disagree with Jackson. I prefer the longer cut
The theatrical cut of Apocalypse Now is easily the best version. The French colony stuff isn’t really necessary
Lol Peter Jackson himself would, and has said that. I can tell you that too. It's all over the place and the pacing is horrendous. Deus ex machina after Deus ex machina. It's like a video game.
@@bradleyc6564 Video games are fun so I don't see how that's an own
Ok
I said this with the first movie and I’ll say it with the second. The problems I have with the movies are not with what is there. What is there is well done. It’s what isn’t there that annoys me.
The extra scenes enhanced The Lord of the Rings trilogy, Aliens and The Abyss. If you don’t like them just watch the originals.
If that’s what Denis wants to do I’m fine with it
Peter Jackson removed Christopher Lee chacter dead from Two Towers from Cinema Version to at it in to the Extented Version and it created a big plot hole for Return Of The King. Removing from Cinema Version of Two Towers not have been problem if he at it also in cinema version of Return Of The King (or scene as sort delete scene on 2 disc SE DVD). Or your watching cinema version of Extented cut of Return Of King the focus on that story point is contuned on results of Extented cut of Two Towers.
Okay, I believe your confused. The Saruman death scene that your taking about has nothing to do with neither the theatrical nor the extended edition of The Two Towers . As it has to do with the Return of the King. Where the extended scene showing his death is not in the cinema version of ROTK, but is included in the extended version, this is how it's a plot hole in the Return of the King cinema version because he's still living iby the end of either version of The Two Towers.
I agree with this too, 100%. That’s a tough part of being the director. I heard Tim Blake Nelson had a part that was completely cut. He is still credited in the casting and it shows up in his filmography. I bet that must’ve been hard to do but for the good of the production. A professional should always be able to accept tough news or criticism. TBN is no slouch. Anyone know about this character? Acteur. I loved part one as a movie lover/cinephile.
I am guessing he was Hasimir Fenriing, Margot Fenring's husband. Fenring was a eunuch almost-kwisatz hadderach who was also the emperor's best friend. Paul could not see him in any visions and Fenring was arguably better than anyone else in a knife-fight. Fenring deliberately spoke with a speech impediment that was mmmmmms and aaaaaaahs. He didn't have a single speaking problem, but it was a secret way he spoke to his wife while simultaneously talking to someone else.
Of all the characters they would have had in part 2, I wanted to see him the most.
@@stefanlvkc7986 Interesting. I might’ve had a personal connection to that character.. thanks. Movies biggest battle might be condensation.
He is credited, paid, scenes shot, but we don't get to see it ever. That's awkward.
The only problem I had with this film (Dune Part 2( was some of the scenes felt Cut a little too short, and if there were an extended version I would definitely watch it.
I would love extended cuts of both films. My only real criticism of both is the pacing, and it ain't because they're too long!
I can be content with what we have though 😢
I agree with his decision. I prefer one definitive version of a movie
I think it's both, if it's cut for time it could be cannon just not shown, but if it's because they don't want it then it doesn't sound like cannon
I still want them
If thats what Denis wanted, then I'm happy it came out as intended. My issue was Dune 2 felt like it was missing a whole hour. I understand not a lot of people want to sit for 3 1/2 hours in a theater. However, I felt like they zoomed through Paul's growth and acclimation to the freman ways.
Amazing visuals and soundtrack. Definitely one of the best sci-fi experiences ever. The character arcs and story just felt stuffed down our throats.
disagree tbh - you could tell a lot of time was passing learning the fremen ways, especially seeing his eyes turn blue from spice exposure, the progression of his relationship with chani & freman, the continued war effort, Jessicas appearance etc. For me, I would have liked to see more from the visions / reluctance to go south because of the holy war and Pauls transformation / acceptance to false prophet / acceptance to go south (especially due to seeing chanis death, but I caught onto this on second viewing but feel like it could be more apparent). However, this may remove some of the shock of her death in Messiah. This is all purely from a greedy standpoint haha - film does very well to convey it succinctly - picked up a lot more on second watch. Film is just phenomenal tbh. I'm a huge book fan too and I really enjoy the changes
a few years from now when the studio decides to make more $$$, it will release a new DVD with the deleted scenes - it's George Lucas' successful business model.
I don’t understand the obsession with deleted scenes - if they were deleted they were deleted for a reason
Yes, but for what reason, and by who? I can recommend George Lucas commentary track on THX 1138 for that.
i simply can’t stress enough how much i don’t give af about denis’s reasons; wb needs to steal his hard drive or something.
I know, as fans we still really want to see it. But he give a perfectly reason why he didn’t do it. I think he should always be strict like that because most directors are not.
@@larryreed8644 i understand… i just don’t care 😊 there’s tim blake nelson and stephen mckinley henderson scenes floating around and i NEED them. he already deprived us of the dinner scene in part 1!!
@@chance757i concur. Denise is being an absolutist about this for no reason. The scenes were already shot. It's not just about him anymore.
@@chance757 I agree 😂😂
@@larryreed8644you mean directors that show people deleted footage isn't strict enough with people who enjoyed the film and like having more for the DVD? Are we supposed to applaud him for that?
Minds change. They will release extended edition in time. I dont think it will be up to Deny
Booooooo! Those were great to look at when dvds were still cared about
Didn't ask
Denis worships Kubrick. Just the way he was raised. I get it.
this is a cult classic tho, release a uncut dune 1&2 combined double feature in theaters
I can’t lie lookin at deleted scenes is one of my favorite things to do, they aren’t cannon though.
Is Dune 2 a classic ???
You all wanted to say something about Snyder. But ya held back 😂
So, definitely NO extended edition, once the trilogy is over.
I disagree with Villeneuve, the dune movies need an extended cut like the lord of the rings. Especially when they’re adapting a book. As I think an extended cut of dune would mark it a better film since a lot of important scenes were cut. An extended cut would fix it.
Even Jackson prefers the theatrical cuts, they are his cuts. I think Denis just doesn’t want the movie to get out of his hands
@@NobuhikuObayashiit's already out of his hands once the public watched it. We are driving head first into George Lucas levels of unnecessary control.
@@spicymemes7458 If anything this is the inverse of what George is doing. George keeps releasing new cuts of his films, totally unable to say which version of each film we're supposed to see as the definitive version whereas Denis just declares that there's only ever going to be one version and that's the theatrical cut. I think this is much less problematic. Besides: Filmmaking is not a democracy. Someone has to make a call as to what ends up on screen or on disc. Even if they did release deleted scenes or an extended cut there's still so much concept art, so many lines of dialog and a countless number of different takes per scene that will never see the light of day regardless. Who, if not the director, should have a say as to what part of this ends up in the finished film?
He makes no sense. We deserve extended cuts of Dune, this book is too dense and too many plotlines have been cut off from the movie just for timing and commercial reasons. I get that you can't make a 3:30 h movie for cinema release, but once the film is out in Blu-ray or streaming I don't see why can't we see a longer version with more scenes that can add deepness and richness to the story. Especially in this case where you're adapting a really big book and having already shot those scenes... Some of them may not work, but I'm sure most of them wouldn't feel out of place at all if they were re-integrated in the film.
I hope WB will demand Villeneuve to make an extended cut or at least release the deleted scenes as Blu-ray bonus content.
The problem with Dune is that it is already a well-established IP. Those of us who have read the books realize so much of what is missing, so for us it is a bit of missing continuity.
Love this too... as long as it's the directors vision. There's a movie I love that everyone was uncertain about when it released in theaters, but most agreed the extended edition made a lot more sense and was a better film. The theatrical release was chopped at the direction of the studio merely for the run time. Not cool.
Its not called deleted scenes if its not deleted - Denis probably
Yeah right, like the majority of the directors have a final cut option.
His decision would make complete sense if Dune was his original idea and since it’s not I think it’s fair to the audience and fans of the books to see more of their favorite scenes on the screen. Maybe WB will knock some sense into Denis head so Dune can fill the void left by current Disney Star Wars.
He's doing an interpretation. He gets whatever control he wants and fans have no jurisdiction on what he keeps in the movie. It's his film. He'll make the best movie possible. End of story. That goes for leaving things out and changing things in general
I think Dune 2 would benefit from an extended version to mitigate the plot gaps in the theatrical version. One of my main critiques is that the film plot felt rushed (e.g., Paul deciding out of the blue to marry the emperor’s daughter), and I suspect that the book was slower and more deliberate. I would be curious what the book fans think about it.
That movie could have been another hour and I would have kept watching
It wasn't out of the blue that was the plan the whole time from the first film
@@tylerallen1074 but had this been discussed in the movie?
Paul marrying Princess Irulan to become Emperor is basically exactly the same in the book. Hell, in the book the Princess doesn't even appear until the scene of the final duel. Another comment covered this too that the marriage plan was floated by Paul in the first film.
Most of the book elements that got cut were related to Thufir Hawat being captured by the Harkonnens and a traitor plotline that wasn't included in Part 1 anyway. The story was altered slightly to remove these side plots for the films and I honestly think they did a fantastic job with it. While I would love to see these scenes, the final cuts still tell a complete story that flows well.
I don’t agree. If a director was forced to cut his movie down for time I 100% believe that’s a good enough reason for a directors cut. If you’ve shot them. Let the public see the work.
While i would love to see all the extended cuts i do agree with the director. Once the movie is made and released that is the movie. Anything else doesn't exist.
Way to make people not want to buy the Blu Ray
Basically that sux for fans. I guess im not buying the Blue Ray, they don't need my money. Deleted scenes are akin to commentary, posters, additional pics, BTS and bloopers.
Although I respect that DV needed to remove parts of the film for brevity, so the Theatrical release wouldn't go 4-6 hours, I'm angered that he doesn't give us the option to watch a longer, more in-depth version on Blu-Ray on our own time, at our leisure. If you spend as much time, energy, resources and talent as Villenueve did, and then throw hours of great content out just...because, that's extremely wasteful!
If you don't have to run a sword into your guts or kill one of your kids just to keep your most successful children(and you DON'T)then don't!!!!
All things considered, especially in light of Blu-Ray & UHD Blu-Ray, his rationalization was lame! He's denying himself & the film studio a lot of revenue, and us the film fans a lot of enjoyment. I'd happily pay more for an extended edition along with millions of others.
What if its not great content?
@@bradleyc6564what if it is? You are allowed to disagree on art, even with Denis Villanuve
But DV has himself said over and over that he doesn't remove things for brevity. He says he makes the movies the exact length they need to be. He removes stuff because he feels like it either subtly changes the story or simply dampens the pacing or the intensity. I responded to another comment above with a specific example of a scene he cut from DUNE PART 2 that makes me salivate when I think about watching it. But I can certainly live better knowing that the stuff I don't get to see isn't taken despite the director's vision, but in service to it.
@joelsommers ".. dampens the pacing and intensity." Sure, I get it, but I'm fine with a slower pace and intensity if I have the time outside the cinema to watch it at that pace. Which is why it's good to have 2 versions of it on Blu-Ray. The Theatrical version for those who are fine with that, and a longer, more extensive experience for those who want to live in that world some more and enjoy all that he got on film. Because again, to throw away all that great content that he, Greig, Hans, the whole cast put in so much of themselves for is a terrible waste.
And we know it was great content, because he's Denis Villenueve after all. Ditto for Fraser, Zimmer and everyone else. Does anyone really believe those deleted scenes wouldn't be great? Seriously?
@@MrX-zz2vkIt’s a movie, not just a random collection of scenes or shots. These might have been great in their own right but I can think of a multitude of reasons why the movie might still be better off without them. If it were possible to include all deleted scenes in a watchable four hour cut then that’s the version that should have been released theatrically. If that’s considered too long then they should have picked a different medium to adapt to.
Johns wrong about A Star is Born needed to be cut! That movie is amazing!
wow. that is 100% absolutely corny for Villeneuve to do that.🤦🏽♂️
Not when it's Dune or LOTR. Give us all of it in the DVD or F off. It's not your IP, you only borrowed it.
Editing felt off the first half of the movie
I don't respect his decision because it should happen to do the books justice. If he can't do it he should have someone else do it the relationship with chani could be more developed and many other concepts that were cut.
Between his "not a fan of dialogue" and now this deleted scenes opinion, Denis is beginning to sound a bit pretentious.
The difference is he has understandable reasons behind these thoughts, for that reason I’m not sure it’s really pretentious as much as just a basics opinion
It was not that he was not a fan of dialogue. He meant as of today with streaming and tv shows most movie are loaded with dialogue. To him it was about the big screen, the real cinema with the amazing shot that make you feel immersed in that world.
@@renejeffrey3234 this is from Denis: Describing his ideal situation, the Dune: Part Two helmer said, “In a perfect world, I’d make a compelling movie that doesn’t feel like an experiment but does not have a single word in it either. People would leave the cinema and say, ‘Wait, there was no dialogue?’ But they won’t feel the lack.”
@@renejeffrey3234 also: Frankly, I hate dialogue,” the filmmaker told The Times of London in a recent interview. “Dialogue is for theatre and television. I don’t remember movies because of a good line, I remember movies because of a strong image. I’m not interested in dialogue at all
I don't see why people are suddenly coming out against deleted scenes and alternate cuts just because Denis says so. It's the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Like how are you all gonna get mad about this extra bit of DVD content that you know isn't in the movie, but included as a bonus anyway.
I can see where he’s coming from. Even if the scenes aren’t cut back into the movie as a “director’s cut” or “extended edition,” watching them can still change how the actual movie hits you.