My oldest brother was drafted during the Vietnam War and was stationed in South Korea. While there he earned a black belt in Moo Duk Kwon, but I remember the actual certificate he received, which was written in both Korean and English, said "Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwon" so at that time in the 1960s, Moo Duk Kwon was under the Tae Kwon Do umbrella. His teacher was an old Korean master but I don't remember the name. He trained American soldiers and when my brother was sent to Vietnam, his training saved his life. He told the story of how his unit was ambushed by the Vietcong and he ended up in hand to hand combat where he actually killed a few of them. He was one of three people from his unit to survive so his training saved his life in combat.
I am from vietnam, well I hear the stories about Korean soldier was really good at that times, we dont kill each other with guns,we use martial arts,assassinate,melee combat.
I'm 69 and originally began my training with the Norris system in Torrance California. There was a split and many of us joined Hwang Kee's, then, Tang Soo Do, which evolved into Soo Bahk Do. I served on the board of directors was a regional examiner for Hwang Kee under the guidance of his son Hyung Chul Hwang. Eventually I left and became non affiliated for the last 10 years before I retired. I spent some 20 years researching the history of my art. I avoided politics like the plague. My goal was to find some clarity beyond the folklore that often passes as history. Of all the books and pdf files I read one stood out, Shotokan's Secret, by Professor Bruce Clayton. Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do and Soo Bahk Do cannot be understood properly without going to Okinawa. That's where you will find your roots. I highly recommend reading this book. There are two ways to read. One, the incorrect way, is to look for things you agree and or disagree with. The other is to simply sit back and appreciate what the author is attempting to gift you. My apologies for the long post. Bill Diaz, Seattle
@Stephen Kim Tang Soo Do is just Karate if translated form Korean, even their Kanji are the same. Katas a well. Japanese taught it to Koreans during the occupational period.
@@joewillson3454 Kanji are not same. Tang Soo is 唐手 and Gong Soo is 空手. The fun fact is 唐手 & 空手 are both pronounced Karate in Japanese. Karate in Japan originally was written 唐手 which translates to "Tang Hand" or "Chinese Hand". It was later changed to 空手 which means Empty Hand which is pronounced same as 唐手 because Japanese wanted to erase the Chinese origin of Karate and make it Japanese. This was around 1935. Kwans started to emerge in Korea around 1945 and called their martial art Tang Soo Do which is a straight translation of the Original kanji of Karate. It is more likely that Karate(空手) and Tang Soo (唐手) has a common origin and influence of Okinawan Karate and developed side by side.
This was the art that started it all for me and I've practice TKD for almost 8 years at the time. TKD has good foundation which I use in my current art of Kyokushin which I'm in at the moment for over a decade now.
@@supershooter20 Does that matter? Oyama practiced Shotokan and Goju-Ryu karate his entire life, before creating his own style. Its like you can see a lot of Spanish or English, or American Karate styles these days. It does not matter what nationality you are as long as you don't manipulate history and say something retarded like "karate came from Spain". Koreans like saying those things though.
I'm really glad you covered Tang Soo Do, Hwang Kee's Mood Du Kwan, and the other kwans as this is often overlooked when discussing Tae Kwon Do. As a TSD practitioner it's nice to not be overlooked!
Tang Soo Do is so awesome! I learned about it becuase that’s what Cobra Kai characters were taught for Karate Kid movie and they even mention it and use in the Netflix show Cobra Kai which is awesome. I would I choose that,but we only have one good Taekwando school in my small town lol.
Patrick Forsythe basically hapkido is the basic and intermediate level techniques of daito ryu aikijujutsu learned when the founder was a servent in japan. He claims to be an adopted son of the head of daito try but japan back then was very racist and nationalist and a samurai family would never adopted a Korean orphan then make him the successor. Him claiming they erased him from the daito ryu student scrolls is also suspect as the scrolls contain a few Korean students but no Choi yong sul. Aikido founders son says they know of Choi yong sul but he was just a house servent who came to a few seminars and learned some basics which were required for all members working in the household for defense purposes. Both aikido and hapkido contain the same kanji characters and both derive from daito ryu aikijujutsu save for hapkido adding a lot more kicks and strikes.
DarkKnight2037 really not the same. In my system we utilize some HKD and it is more like Aikido in the sense it’s premise for self defense is often invested in circular movements, like Aikido, to use the opponents weight and momentum against them. Tae Kwon Do does NOT do this. It is much more linear in its attacks. It does incorporate Korean kicking however because this has become the one characteristic of Korean arts, kicking that is. Hapkido is beautiful.
My dad told me that post war Korea was a rough place with much poverty and struggle to survive, so if you did martial art chance was likely that you would use it in a street fight.
A great introduction to Taekwondo and the Korean martial art family. Thank you Mr. Dan for the video, it simply wet the appetite for more. I study Hwa Rang Do in Australia.
Hwa Rang Do... Way of the Flowering Youth. The king if Silla brought together fighters from all over then took the best of each and created the External/Internal Hard/Soft system of Hwa Rang Do which was restricted to the members of the elite who served in the Army.
@robbie gareauThey are difficult to find but they are out there. Look for Moo Duk Kwan, usually they teach Soo Bahk Do (Tang Soo Do) but some also have Hwa Rang Do classes
Nice effort at trying to disentangle the history mess. Of all martial arts, there is probably not one as heavily politicized as this one. I had the privilege of training with master J.A. Blake (died 8th dan in 2001, first Canadian born to ever become a master) and with his own teacher, which was General Choi Hong Hi himself. I met and trained under him numerous times from 1980 up to a few months before his death in 2002. I also trained with the late Master Tran Trieu Quan and met the general's son, master Choi Jun Hwa several times, both men being responsible for the ITF split in three when North korea appropriated ITF at the death of Choi. I also trained for several years in Karate-Do, most notably Shotokan and I have now been involved with the Olympic Taekwondo movement and Kukkiwon Taekwondo for the last three years. All this to say that I have touched since my training started in 1974 a good chunk of this history. Gen Choi told me himself that he did lead significant technical expansion and improvement in techniques, teaching and power principles of his Oh Do Kwan style from 1966 onward at the head of his International Taekwon-Do Federation, to the point of making a style that is significantly different from it's roots. But he candidly told me that he did not create the original techniques at all. At the start, he was but the one to lead the unification effort of korean martial arts under his own label of Taekwon-Do at the request of President Rhee. He did so with the help of numerous masters, not all by himself. Tang Soo Do grandmaster Hwang Kee was one of those masters involved initially; but eventually he choose not to follow this effort and distanced himself from the burgeoning Tae Kwon Do movement. Choi Hong Hi (pronounced "Chei Hong Hee" btw) learned taekkyon from his calligraphy master only as physical exercise because he was a small and sickly child. When he went to Japan to further his studies, he learned Karate-Do to really learn to defend himself, up to 2nd degree black belt under Funakoshi Gichin, founder of Shotokan. When he came back, inspired by the modernization of karate under Funakoshi, he wanted to do the same for Korea. Being involved in the military provided him a perfect platform to do so. He associated himself with Korean masters, especially Nam Tae Hi of Chung Do Kwan and worked into synthesizing and modernizing the martial arts for the military and eventually for the Korean people. Hence the only connection to taekkyon is his personal exposition to it as a youth and learning from it to appreciate kicking. The connection to Karate-Do however is obviously much more substantial. This is clearly seen in the first decade of what was then called Tae Kwon Do (he made up the name in reference to the old style of his youth), even as he was making his own set of patterns, classical karate-do katas were also taught. In those early years, only the emphasis on kicking really distinguished the two arts. The complete separation came with his founding of the ITF in 1966, completing his set of patterns and devising a new training regimen and technical curriculum based on different power principles that would further change later on to bring about what we find today in his Taekwon-Do Encyclopedia. And a lot of political intrigue and maneuvering peppered everything all along the way. All the while, Korea kept alive the original version of the art with the founding of the WTF in 1973, which eventually led to it's adaptation as an Olympic sport of "kick fencing" so as to firmly separate it from all the other combative sports. This is what most people are exposed to nowadays and think it is the whole of the art. At the kukkiwon and in the South Korean military however, you can be sure what they are doing as taekwondo is not mere "kick-fencing." All the original hand techniques and hard training are kept very much alive. And in the now numerous variants of the modernized Oh Do Kwan style, most calling themselves ITF or some form of it, you see all the variations possible between the completely unique art Choi left as his legacy and deliberate retrofitting to the 1966 basic ITF style, but all of them with at least the full richness of hand techniques you can find in Karate-Do, it's most direct inspiration. When I talked of this with the man who first brought Tae kwon Do in Quebec in 1960 and leading the WTF movement there, grandmaster Chong Lee, some time before his recent passing, he confirmed all this to me. There was no Taekwondo before 1973. There was no Taekwon-Do before 1966. There was no Tae Kwon Do before 1955. but there has been a lot of kicking for along time before those. They were doing it differently... but kicking all the same... and punching and grabbing ...
What an awesome post, thank you so much for sharing this. You have an amazing insight and such a great thing to have known Choi Hong Hi. I apologize for the pronunciation of his name, I'm still trying to learn a lot of words I haven't had much exposure to, but I'm making the effort to work on it. I found the Korean history of martial arts very interesting as I researched, such a rich background. So many people yell that I should have included "xyz" but there was so much to choose from, it was hard to decide what to keep and what to omit, which is why I made it clear that this was just a brief overview. Very impressive that you have had such a great and wide exposure to different versions of TKD and that you could see the art in it's full and talk to the man that it. Thank you so much for sharing your story :)
One of the rare benefits of being old ;) Yes I feel very fortunate, no small thanks to my late master who was a very open minded man that never tolerated attempts to turn martial arts into religions and political parties. Neither do I. And I can tell you I have seen first hand so-called masters trying to do just that. With all the history revisionists out there and those with agendas to promote their political and financial movement, I thought it important to contribute what I had to your own effort in trying to see clearly through all this "classical mess," to paraphrase Bruce Lee.
I believe you are correct. It is also my understanding that as of when I started training, in 1974, some organizations in South Korea were actively managing the promotion of Korean black belts and sending them to various countries around the world.
The story of general Choi learning from his calligraphy teacher takkyeon has been proven to be quite the opposite. The reason why he said that was increase the legitimacy of tkd as ancient and better promote it overseas in the 70s
This was the same history that was taught to me in 2008 by my Sensei about Tae Kwon Do. As I did my own research, your facts line up with a lot of what I researched. Thank you for this information. There is a blessing that comes with age and that is wisdom which you have. In my black belt in Tae Kwon Do I learned all 8 palwge katas then after earning my brown belt we did all shotokan katas (bassai dai, enpi, kanku dai, jion) then I learned Koryo and had to perform that kata for my black belt examination. A lot of Tae Kwon Do has influence from shotokan karate in our dojo.
genernal choi was originally student of master hwang kee basically green belt level when he left he then got 2nd degree in shotakon style incoporate most of that into tae kwon do original,style
General Choi was taekyun practitioner. He was arrested and enlisted into Japanese Imperial Army. From there he was taught karate. He took the moves mostly the hands technique (punches, blocks, grappling) merged with Taekyun then called it TKD. After the war, south Korea hated Japanese a lot and called taekwondo a Japanese influence then removed most of the hands technique. General Choi was frustrated and brought his TKD to north Korea labelled as ITF. The south TKD WTF is more taekyun oriented.
what you fail say on general,choi he learned tae kyon from hwang kee was the chief tae kyon and subak instructor at that time general choi,was only trained to roughly green belt level he took the karate moves from shotokan i took originsl tae kwon do from master dw kang years ago then tang so do learned,the info there if you wanted to,learn real self defense,you had leave,tae kwon do goto tang soo do or hwarang do because tae kwon do just a sport art
nomad terry - I totally agree with that sentiment. As a complete martial art system the commercialised Taekwondo world wide offering is often lacking. Focusing primarily on sport elements. It is what happens when you try to solidify a martial art under one banner KUKKIWON (HQ for TKD) and determine a baseline to comply to and skill set required - international sport. It is why I am fortunate enough to be training and teaching Hwa Rang Do in Australia - hwarangdo.com.au/ as a more rounded offering as a martial art.
My Grandmaster of Kali(arnis ) was a practitioner of Moo Duk Kwan. Me.Since in High School Tae Kwon Do beginners practitioner, that's an influence of korean martial arts
The heavy Japanese influence early on is why you used to see so many variations of Karate Kata in the early days of TKD and some styles still practice a handful of kata in addition to poomsae
I once asked my brother in law's Tang Soo do instructor why they do Japanese kata and he said Korean kata is TOO much for Americans to get easily and he mentioned the Japanese occupation and influence on their Police department training. 🐯
Studying under 8th Dan Santarose who studied under Grand Master Kang Ik Mu was one of the most critical and foundational martial arts that will never leave me. It's applicable and adaptable to all martial arts, and it's 50% of why I fell in love with martial arts
I’m a black belt in Chung Do Kwan. In the 90s when I started, it had a lot of similarities to Tang Soo Do, with non Olympic sparring and Kobudo weapons. The CDK great Grandmaster, Won Kuk Lee actually coined the name Tang Soo Do, and was the first to use it. CDK actually still has a HQ today, and there are many styles of it that still wear the traditional white, wrap around gi, and use the Shotokan based kata/hyung/ poomse.
@@mikemalone1236 idk how to spell them, but the first 4 are similarly named. They all start with (ignore the definetly wrong spelling) paulgue. I think orange belt form is paulgue il jong, but that could be white belt too
@@josephpruitt2067 That’s cool thanks for the reply. When I did TKD, we used to do those forms as well. Those forms were actually invented for taekwondo, then later, replaced by easier, Taegeuk forms. The Korean versions of the Shotokan forms are still used in Tang Soo Do, which is what TKD used to be called. Some forms she Ki Cho Il Bu, Ki Cho Ee Bu and Pyung Ahn Cho Dan.
It’s also cool to note that Tang Soo Do is Korean for Karate. At least the original way Karate was said before it was changed to (Empty Hand way). It use to be,(China Hand Way) Tang = China, Soo = Hand, Do = Way
I have been studying traditional self defense Taekwondo for over 25 years under Grandmaster Choon Lee. He came over from Korea and opened up his school in Shawnee Mission Kansas in 1972. Anyone in the midwest who wants to learn from a true Grandmaster should seek him out!
Always a pleasure here, Dan! When I first started training in the martial arts I studied as a senior in college from an American who was an MP in Korea and learned what he called Chung Do Kwan there. His senior was a 1st generation Korean man who became my next teacher, and from who I received my first black belt. Sometimes his Korean friends would show up and they would teach the class, saying they were Mu Do Kwan or one of the other Kwans. Later through my Tracy's instructor I learned he was Kang Duk Won. There were always little differences in the way the forms were done with positioning of the arms and legs. It was crazy in a way, and I see now why they wanted to unify the system. :-)
I see it too, all to easy to get confused with the different versions. Definitely an interesting idea to unify the arts together, and cool to see where it eventually went to and it's interesting to think about where it will develop from here.
Though I have moved on to other martial arts/Combat Sports such as BJJ, Greco-Roman and Catch-as-Catch Can Wrestling, Boxing and MMA, I will always hold a special place in my heart to my original martial art that I ever trained in, Taekwondo.
@@scarred10 wtf man, why would u say that, what do gain in spoiling someones fun. I do find it great and I am allowed to say that. I dit Karate for 3 years and now I'm doing taekwondo and now I have bee doing it for one and a half years and I think it is long enough to know if I like it. You are a fucking arsshole
@@agnikaineverdies7646 I do wtf taekwondo, and u are completely right, but I did shotokan karate for a long time and I wanted to try something different
I was just literally talking to my Kwan Jang Nim yesterday about the Kwan, he is 9th degree black belt and his master were one of the founding fathers of taekwondo
It was an honor for me to have been a student of ITF/Chung Do Kwan TKD. An honor of studying in one of the 9 Kwans. I have also studied WTF TKD. And it was so amazing to me to see the similarities in both. While WTF TKD as just an Olympic sport art, it is definitely not just that. I have also studied a couple of Japanese Karate styles, and was able to see the similarities between them in technique to TKD. I know that TKD is often said to be "Korean Karate". For the purpose of describing TKD to the general public that has no idea what TKD is, I don't see anything wrong with that. And technically, it's not wrong since TKD does have influences from Japanese and Okinawan Karate. I mean it's basically the same thing with with how Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was name so because at that time, Jiu-Jitsu/JuJitsu was more known that the martial art it's derived from, Judo.
I started learning karate at 6 yo for 8 years and stopped for a while and now started learning taekwondo to gather the power of punching and quick reflex from karate and fast and strong kicks from taekwondo is fascinating
I really enjoy and appreciate the fact that u take the time to educate about different styles of martial arts. So many ppl get into the whole my style is the best and everything else sucks mentality. Glad to see thats not everywhere. Keep upthe good work
Watching this reminded me that we have a rich history of martial arts too.Angampora Is So Useful.But,here not all are allowed to learn.So I do WT Taekwondo
Great clip, Mr. Dan. Touching on Grandmaster Rhee, his commercial advertising his school during the 70s and 80s is the stuff of legend in the DelMarVa area, and instantly local folks around that time certainly will recognize the line of "Nobody bother me! Nobody bother me either!" that was made very famous by that commercial. Whenever you get a moment, look it up, it's a rather clever and cute commercial!
iam not a history master, but ive trained taekwondo for many years, and in my search for my own way or my own style i found many commonalities, in taekwondo and many other martial arts, the obvius one is karate, but then once i was in MMA sparring ( i like to cross train ) i notice that some muy thai guys were using techniques that resembled taekwondo a lot, so i took a look at more arts, and everyone is different but they all have many comonalities. to this day i still train but now i consider taekwondo my base art, but i think i managed to my it my own style not necesarily sticking 100% to it... i just want to make taekwondo how i think it could be ( following the forms so is not only sport and more complete).
Taekwondo was developed during the 1940s and 1950s by Korean martial artists with experience in martial arts such as karate, Chinese martial arts, and slightly possible some indigenous Korean martial arts traditions such as Taekkyeon, Subak, and Gwonbeop. The oldest governing body for taekwondo is the Korea Taekwondo Association (KTA), formed in 1959 through a collaborative effort by representatives from the nine original kwans, or martial arts schools, in Korea. The main international organizational bodies for taekwondo today are the International Taekwon-Do Federation (ITF), founded by Choi Hong Hi in 1966, and the partnership of the Kukkiwon and World Taekwondo (WT, formerly WTF), founded in 1972 and 1973 respectively by the Korea Taekwondo Association. Gyeorugi , a type of full-contact sparring, has been an Olympic event since 2000. The governing body for taekwondo in the Olympics and Paralympics is World Taekwondo. Beginning in 1945, shortly after the end of World War II, new martial arts schools called kwans were opened in Seoul. These schools were established by Korean martial artists with backgrounds in Japanese, Chinese and Korean martial arts. The umbrella term traditional taekwondo typically refers to the martial arts practiced by the kwans during the 1940s and 1950s, though in reality the term "taekwondo" had not yet been coined at that time, and indeed each Kwan was practicing its own unique style of martial art. During this time taekwondo was also adopted for use by the South Korean military, which increased its popularity among civilian martial arts schools. After witnessing a martial arts demonstration by the military in 1952, South Korean President Syngman Rhee urged that the martial arts styles of the kwans be merged. Beginning in 1955 the leaders of the kwans began discussing in earnest the possibility of creating a unified style of Korean martial arts. The name Tae Soo Do was used to describe this unified style. This name consists of the hanja tae "to stomp, trample", su "hand" and do "way, discipline". Choi Hong Hi advocated the use of the name Tae Kwon Do, i.e. replacing su "hand" by kwon "fist", the term also used for "martial arts" in Chinese. The new name was initially slow to catch on among the leaders of the kwans. In 1959 the Korea Taekwondo Association (KTA) was established to facilitate the unification of Korean martial arts. In 1966, Choi broke with the KTA to establish the International Taekwon-Do Federation (ITF) as a separate governing body devoted to institutionalizing his own style of taekwondo. Cold War politics of the 1960s and 1970s complicated the adoption of ITF-style taekwondo as a unified style, however. The South Korean government wished to avoid North Korean influence on the martial art. Conversely, ITF president Choi Hong Hi sought support for the martial art from all quarters, including North Korea. In response, in 1973 South Korea withdrew its support for the ITF. The ITF continued to function as an independent federation, then headquartered in Toronto, Ontario, Canada; Choi continued to develop the ITF-style, notably with the 1987 publication of his Encyclopedia of Taekwondo. After Choi's retirement, the ITF split in 2001 and then again in 2002 to create three separate federations each of which continues to operate today under the same name. In 1973 the South Korean government's Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism established the Kukkiwon as the new national academy for taekwondo. Kukkiwon now served many of the functions previously served by the KTA, in terms of defining a government-sponsored unified style of taekwondo. In 1973 the KTA and Kukkiwon supported the establishment of the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF, renamed to World Taekwondo in 2017 due to confusion with the initialism to promote taekwondo specifically as an international sport. WT competitions employ Kukkiwon-style taekwondo. For this reason, Kukkiwon-style taekwondo is often referred to as WT-style taekwondo, sport-style taekwondo, or Olympic-style taekwondo, though in reality the style is defined by the Kukkiwon, not the WTF. Since 2000, taekwondo has been one of only two Asian martial arts (the other being judo) that are included in the Olympic Games. It became a demonstration event at the 1988 games in Seoul, a year after becoming a medal event at the Pan Am Games, and became an official medal event at the 2000 games in Sydney. In 2010, taekwondo was accepted as a Commonwealth Games sport. General Choi Hong Hi with support from Nam Tae Hi founded the Oh Do Kwan in 1953 as part of the Republic of Korea Army's Physical Training Program. Though initially founded as a school for military training, the kwan soon developed a civilian annex as well. The primary civilian annex was called Dae Han Taekwon-Do Oh Do Kwan Jung Ang Bon Kwan. The civilian annex was located in Seoul, as were all the major kwans at that time. Oh Do Kwan also taught Korean Police throughout South Korea, and instructed at some universities as well. The first people to instruct the army in martial arts were Nam Tae Hi, Woo Jong Lim, Ko Jae Chun, Kim Suk Kyu, Baek Joon Ki, Kwak Keun Sik, Kim Bong Sik, Han Cha Kyo Chung Jang Keun, and Kim Bok Man, almost all of whom were originally Chung Do Kwan members. Chung Do Kwan members brought into Oh Do Kwan by senior Chung Do Kwan members Nam Tae Hi and Han Cha Kyo. The first documented patterns to be unique to Taekwon-do were taught at Oh Do Kwan. These were the Chang Hun tul; these were designed primarily by General Choi, with assistance from Nam Tae Hi and Han Cha Kyo. These patterns were spread throughout the world by General Choi upon his creation of the International Taekwon-Do Federation in 1966. Today the Oh Do Kwan still exist in Korea as a social club and has an annual celebration every year in Seoul. Oh Do Kwan was dissolved as a martial art system in the mid-1970s. The Oh Do Kwan social club adopted the Kukkiwon style of taekwondo in 1972. Oh Do Kwan's current president is Han Myung Hak. I apologize if I repeated myself and I think you should read A killing Art by Alex Gillis, There are no Hwrang Do or ancient arts and Gumdo is just Kendo as Taekwon Do is a weaponless art
Hi, I liked your comment very much and it seems to me that you really know a lot about Taekwondo in general (WT-ITF). Could you please explain to me what are the differences between Taekwondo WT and Taekwondo ITF and what are the differences between Poomsay and Tul? And which ones are the most traditional? Thanks a lot 🙏🏻
I enjoy your videos. Kyokushin parts 1 and 2 were a blast. Waiting for part 3. Anyways I am a practitioner of Chung do Kwan. We’re from the lineage of GM Duk Sung Son, who was a student of Founder - GM Lee Won Kuk. Just looking at the other Korean arts histories there’s more than one Korean martial artist who trained under Sensei Gichin Funakoshi. We share most of the forms with Tang Soo Do, it’s based on the Shotokan forms e.g. Pyung Ahn , and the black belt forms such as Chulgi. Keep feeding us videos!
Gruncie John. I too received my Black Belt from Duk Sung Son in NYC. I see Lee Won Kuk's name come up as he was the founder Chung Do Kwan, but rarely do I see Duk Sung Son. Maybe you know the name: Jerry Orenstein.
Me too. But we don’t have the same lineage directly, but yeah. This shit is badass. I’m from New York City 🏙️ 🌆 🌃 Our teacher had beef with a rival kyokushin teacher when they were kids, and anyways, they all knew Tiger Schulman when HE was fighting, so, the’re old 😅😂 But as for me, it saved me in a LOT of fights back in the day.
Fun fact, Joon Rhee actually started teaching in San Marcos, Texas while in college there. Later moving to D.C. to grow his martial organization in America. Many of his students in Texas went on to be legends in American martial arts competition.
He even used the popularity of Karate to help gain students in America. Seems like a deceiving tactic, but it's one of the reasons why TKD became popular.
@Beatflysforever Exactly! Probably a lack of education mixed in with pride and ignorance. Anyone who has studied marital arts knows that Karate and TKD are the closest two arts, in terms of technique, philosophy and the things practiced.
Since the Korean government has been involved they have slowly been rewriting their history to eliminate the Japanese and Chinese influence. If you actually follow the only documented lineage of Taekwondo there is no evidence that Subok or Taekkyon had anything to do with TKDs inception as all of the original Kwans taught a form of Karate, Judo, and or Kung fu. Since Taekkyon has never been well documented its impossible to prove any connection with TKD.
@@captainbeaver_man903 If you put it that way Karate and all martial arts in Japan came from China but you don't see Japanese mentioning that do you? I guess someone likes rewriting history. huh?
EXCELLENT discription no matter what anyone else says. I have practiced Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwan and Tang Soo Do since 1972 as well as learning Okinawan Kenpo - Kobudo (Laohu Kenpo) Jeet Kune Do, etc. One thing though -- the Korean way to pronounce it sounds more like Teh Kwahn Doe not Tai Quan Doe.
Such an Amazing history. it makes so much such since now. lots of master during that time of many Korean styles its so hard to keep up and were to begin. all I can say is that I am a 3rd Degree Black belt in the ATA Martial Arts ( American Taekwondo Association ) I had an amazing opportunity to go to go train with my instructors in Murrysville PA many years ago when I was still in high school back in 3/25/2011 at the Grand Master Vision tour were all the 1st Degree and 2nd degree older kids and 1st through 7th Degree black belt adults got to train under 8th Degree chief Master that time was about to test for his 9th degree black belt Master In Ho Lee and 9 Degree Black belt Grandmaster Soon Ho Lee and 8th Degree Chief master who is now a 9th Degree black belt Grandmaster Michael Caruso. all I can remember from that night that it was intense , exciting and felt very honoring for the first time in my life to train under higher masters and meeting them both in person after training I could not tell you how nervous I was I felt like my knees were about to give out lol but after learning so much from that training of the Songahm traditions and origins of taekwondo many years ago and Grand Master Soon Ho Lee would tells us at the vision tour " There's always more to learn" that from there I would always take that advice with me for the rest of my life and and would cross train at Jeet kune Do , Kenpo Karate , and Japanese sword. i am not sure if you or anyone is familiar with the ATA Martial Arts but there are somethings that are good and some not so good thigs about it. as of recommendations i would for people that are starting out for as a beginning or just want to know what martial arts is like or have your child or children try it out. if its the one then i give the ATA a try however if not then try another Martial Arts school that might fit for you and your child and your family. other then that i felt like wanting to share my story because i have went to different schools here and there and im still trying to find myself and that is one of the hardest parts in my journey is knowing who you are as a Martial artiest and as a person.
I was born in South Korea and grew up training TKD there in the '60s. TKD was created in the '50s by a Korean army general who based it on Shotokan Karate. Tang Soo Do is Okinawan Shorin Ryu Karate. Hapkido is Japanese Aikijujutsu combined with some Tae Kyon kicking. Yudo is Judo. Hwarang Do is a mish mash of TKD, Judo, Aikido and even a little bit of Kung Fu, NOT an "ancient Korean martial art". Kuk Sool Won is a mish mash of various Kung Fu principles created in the late 20th century. Tae Kyon is, as far as I know, the only true Korean empty hand martial tradition still in existence. Even the Korean sword schools all seem to be just rip offs of Japanese Kenjutsu. None of these have anything even remotely to do with the martial arts of Silla or ancient Hwarang warriors, or whatever. Sorry, but those are the facts.
Are you referring to General Choi? If so I did mention that Choi is regarded sometimes as the creator of TKD but it is heavily disputed. I tried to keep this more objective but the fact is many people argue against that as well, but I don't take sides on the issue. Tang Soo Do isn't simply a converted version of Shorin Ryu, it has a LOT of Shotokan in it (which in and of itself has roots in Shorin Ryu). It does have a LOT of Shotokan in it, but it also has some Kung Fu, Judo, and Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu roots as well. I'm not sure what you are arguing about Hwarang Do, I never said it was an ancient Korean art. This video was intended to introduce the viewer to the general roots of Korean Martial arts. I never said that TKD was the same art as Taekkyeon or 2000 years old, I was setting the stage of how Korea introduced their original arts and the foundation of their culture that grew. TKD is not a 100% original art, like most arts it has roots throughout a variety of system and ancestry.
You are correct. My own research confirms yours 100%. It might not be popular among some, but this is the truth. I’m an old man, a westerner, and lived throughout Asia for over 42 years
I'm thinking it might be a fruitless task to prove that any martial art sprung from nothing within a particular culture, and so is "owned" by that culture ... that it did not benefit from the teaching of any previous art. Ultimately, all formalized martial arts can be traced back to the techniques instinctively adopted by primitive ancestors who defended themselves with strikes, kicks, and use of weapons learned at the very moment a fight began. Things gradually became more systematic from then, with techniques both invented and borrowed as cultures interacted with one another. The physical techniques of Tae Kwon Do aside, it also teaches a philosophy and way of navigating life that is uniquely its own. Even with techniques paralleling other martial arts, the art does bear a Korean influence, just as, say, when American manufacturing methods were adopted by Japan, they ultimately were shaped into something new. I am happy to honor the Koreans for what they have done.
wow! awesome video!! I am a 6th Dan Tkd taught by Grandmaster Yong Suk Chang 8th Dan former Korean national Champion and Korean military instructor! respect! love this video
I started my Taekwondo training when I was 9 years old and this is interesting to look at the origin of Taekwondo always wanted to look at the origin thank you
General Choi was a unique person, he endured the Japanese rule of Korea, changed his name while living in Japan and was at one point even drafted into the Japanese army to fight. He had an amazing life and it is best studied as he was the founder of the KTA, Even though he is listed as a principle founder of Taekwon- Do, history has done their best to keep him out of the light, but that will never because of the ITF.
hes only ignored by the wtf which to me isnt even tkd.In ireland the wtf is very minor v itf, in my 15 yrs in tkd ive never seen a wtf school but in some countries its almost entirely the opposite,they wouldnt even know about gen choi.
@@mck24601 I agree ,tkd never evolved to be an effective art because of gen Choi,he completely ignored the combat application of the art when instigating technical changes.
Great summary I thought Tae Kwon Do itself (meaning the way it's mostly structured and taught now) was a lot older. Humm gonna have to dig deeper in Korean martial art history. Thanks for the overview and additional links.
The "ancient" history of TKD was fabricated as part of the proposal to change the names used at the time tang soo do/kong soo do to Tae kwon do. Partly as an attempt to unify the kwans but also to hide the japanese influence on the art for nationalist reasons. "A Killing Art" by Alex Gillis is a pretty good read on the origins .
I love this video because you gave a homage to hwang khee founder of mudukwan which I am a black belt in the wtsda who was founded by jae chul shin who also taught chuck Norris in Korea when he was stationed there in 58
Excellent video as always Sensei Dan, I can see that you did allot of research, as well as organised and presented the material, in an excellent, academic manner. It was easy to follow and comprehend. The late Taekwondo master Jhoon Rhee, apparently is the one, that introduced Bruce Lee, to many of the kicks, that he would later on incorporate into his own training. Given that his original art of Wing Chun Kung Fu, only utilised kicks below the waste. Keep up the good work, looking forward to your next video, Osu!
Fun fact, YES, Jhoon Rhee worked with Bruce Lee, but Ed Parker (Founder of American Kenpo) helped get Bruce Lee on TV and got him cast as Kato in the Green Hornet TV show :)
Art of One Dojo I totally agree with you on that Sensei Dan. In fact the late Ed Parker Sensei, was very instrumental, in helping Bruce Lee have a public platform, to show case his talents and as you said, to then catapult to fame and superstardom! 👍
Even though my school is called national karate, we study what Jhoon Rhee practiced, so I was very excited to see Rhee on here. Also, like this comment if you attend NK schools (which is in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and and a school in Colorado).
Nice overview! Some thoughts to share, though: 1. "Subak" is just an old word for "martial arts." Since Korea was highly influenced by Chinese culture (and was predominantly writing in classical Chinese), they just imported the word from China (shoubo), which becomes subak when pronounced in Korean. It was not a specific style or school of martial arts, thus people guess that taekkyeon (an actual style of martial art) may have been included in "subak." 2. Although Hwang Kee and other teachers of the kwans claimed to have learned Chinese arts, this is unlikely just looking at the techniques/curriculum; language also clearly shows close adherence to Japanese martial culture, not Chinese. (E.g. "-kwan" as school name, "-do" as style name, "hyung" as form, etc. are all from Japan.) We also all know that the initial forms taught were all just from Japanese karate. 3. Similarly claims to have learned taekkyeon are also unlikely as well, as we can see today that taekkyeon has a very different flavor and method. At best, maybe as children they saw some people doing it, which left an impression on them. 4. "Tang" literally means Tang dynasty, but in the Japanese sense it was used to mean China (or just foreign, including even Korea). So "tangsoodo" or "karatedo" in the old way of writing basically meant "Chinese martial art." Thus in a roundabout way, taekwondo is a weird style of kungfu, which was infused and changed by the local cultures which it was imported to. Shaolin-type kungfu (China) -> Shurite karate (Okinawa) -> Shotokan karate (Japan) -> Tangsoodo (Korea) -> government-meddled Taekwondo (Korea)
The origin of Taekwando and Tang Soo Do are in Karate introduced by the Japanese. I studied both TKD and Karate Do. Tkd is simply Korean Karate. The forms taught originally came from Shotokan as well has the bulk techniques.
Yes but Tang Soo Do isn't simply just a modified Shotokan. TSD has a lot of influences in it and TKD isn't the same as TSD. They all evolved from mixed roots. Shotokan is a very big part of TSD's foundation yes, but it's just the only influential factor or root art.
@@ArtofOneDojo : Taekwando and Tang Soo Do share the same root. The difference between the two originally was more political then style. I trained in TKD (itf) (several years intensely)and later Tang Soo Do(just a few months admittedly) and of course there are differences that have come about over time. My point is Katate is Karate. Where ever it went Karate took on a local flavor, but lets not gloss over the facts. Karate was born in Okinawa and spread to Korea, Japan, and later to the West. The Koreans hate the Japanese due to their occupation, and as such don't want to admit TKD and TSD true origin.
My point was there is more than just Shotokan in it. It still has a mix of influences to the point it's become it's own thing. Arts evolve and take on different characteristics from root arts.
@@ArtofOneDojo : I agree with and am not trying to fight with you. However I remember studying TKD and reading a lot of none sense about how it was a direct descendant sobuk and the other obscure martial arts. Then later training in Karate do, I realized the connection. After reading the actual modern history of Korean martial arts, and knowing the history of the country( my education is in History); I came to understand the political an cultural reasons why Koreans down play Karate. Now every teacher puts his stamp on what they teach. That's why we have different styles, and Tang Soo do/TKD are simply Korean styles of Karate.
Korean martial arts history gets into some very murky waters. Essentially, TKD came into being formally out of South Korea's desire to have it's own distinct art. Basically what the government wanted to do was to nationalize the kwans all under one banner. Some schools went along, some didn't. The kwans that didn't continued to practice Tang Soo Do, or one if its' slight variants. For the first few years, the only difference between Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do was a name change. In later years new hyungs were created for TKD and new kicking techniques were incorporated. But originally, TSD and TKD were the exact same thing, the only difference being five letters. TKD as it exists today is really a modern incarnation. There's very little ancient about it.
I don't think there is much murky stuff going on there. Their marital arts derive from the Japanese equivalents of 70 years ago. Although due to heavy nationalism and revisionism they now claim that it was actually they who taught Japanese those arts. Madness.
@@joewillson3454 You believe fake news created by the Japanese. There is no Korean who claims that Koreans taught Musul to the Japanese at that time. However, Kyokushin Karate was created by Koreans. It also says so in the Japanese version of Wikipedia.
Taekwondo is one of the best supplemental martial arts to practice. As a Muaythai fighter, taekwondo helps me a lot on stability, flexibility and speed.
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Taekyeon kicks are basically the kicking technique adopted by most martial arts. Karate and Chinese martial arts didn't have modern kicks until Korean martial artists influence. Check out karate or kungfu films before Korean influence. It's night and day.
@@trex1448 That's where they got you. Modern TKD kicks influenced modern Teakyeon presentation. Only one grandpa who knew "Teakyeon" survived, he was 80 years old and could only do basic steps and lift his leg to the waist level..so then..tell me, where do those acrobatic break-dancing Hollywood kicks come from? They were crossed with TKD to boost TKD's historical claims and to have Teakyeon demonstrations as a sample of a "real" thing. Next time don't claim about "stupidest thing you ever heard" without doing some research first.
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 you're talking about a teacher with actual formalized lineage. Taekyeon kicks were ubiquitous in folk culture. You don't need lessons from a professional to know how to play basketball. Go look at early Bruce Lee movies before he learned TKD kicks. Its a very clear point in martial arts history when everyone starts doing Korean kicks.
@@trex1448 Believe what you want, many Koreans believe that they invented Chinese characters and taught Japanese how to make Katana, so have at it. If that "teacher" has formalized "lineage", where are the documents? where is the proof? Why South Korea has so many re-packaged Japanese and Chinese styles under Korean names with 5000 year old "korean" lineages? While North Korea has only General Choi's TKD? Business, soft power, and tourism that's why.
With all due respect sir, well done!! Cool video 😁😉. So, the "Three kingdoms" theory of TKD is completely unfounded. When Japanese arrived & conquered in Korea (1910) and even in Josun dynasty, there is little to no records of Subak, and Taekkyon is moreso a folklore art. Modern Taekwondo's origins include Shotokan, Quan Fa, Shudokan, Shito Ryu and Taekkyon, somehow mixed together and developed over time, especially from 1950s-1970s. Well done though, this video is quite an accurate description and I am impressed that you portrayed the truth of the Kwans & kwan unification. So many schools (Including the Kukkiwon & ITF) tell the myth about Taekwondo being an ancient art of Korean warriors etc. Peace man, I just subscribed to your channel. Awesome videos! 👍👏👏👏
Not exactly a folklore art, but certainly obscure... But, as a Taekkyon practitioner for 32 years now, I have yet to see anything resembling Taekkyon in TKD, Tangsoodo, or any other post-occupation art- which creates a plainly visible, if not metaphorical question mark regarding all these arts which claim they incorporated Taekkyon into them. I will be sharing more info with Mr. Dan in the near future. All founders of the Korean arts deserve credit and respect for their works, trying to restore the cultural mess the Japanese left them. Can you imagine?
@@docbohemian1328 Koreans are Lucky, thanks to the Japanese they have many new "traditional" Korean martial arts such as TKD(shotokan), Kumdo(kendo), hapkido(Aikido), Tangsoodo(Karate). Etc.
Great and informative video! I'm glad you took over this channel. You've been doing a great job since. Just a question though...would you also be covering the "History of" Kenpo and other Martial Arts styles? I always love video formats for learning history and would love to see your telling of it. Thank you. =]
I will be yes. I have a long list of topics I would like to do for this channel, and that includes several more videos like this one cover art, or art founders. Do you prefer it be in the same format as this video, or one that is told mainly from interviews (similar to my JuJutsu episode)? Since our videos are fairly new I'm trying a wide range of different videos to see what sticks and see what people would like to see :) Thank you so much for your support!
Art of One Dojo I'd be more okay with videos like this one since we can mainly only interview other instructors in the art compared to the founders of the beginning of said art.
True but many instructors know a lot of history about the art if we can find the right school. I am fortunate enough to be in an area where there are MANY martial arts schools of many variations close enough to explore, so I will probably include interviews when I find a great school with great historical knowledge as well as more videos in this format :)
I see lots of politics getting discussed, but as a white round eye American I think you all are awesome. Taekwondo, karate, Muay Thai, Kung Fu, it's all fuckin awesome.
I study Taekwondo in Tijuana,Mexico and i wasn't aware of the 5 founder's thats interesting to know where my Taekwondo knowledge comes from, im from the MEXICAN MOO DU KWAN ASOCIATION
I love watching your videos its like watching an episode of the History channel but all about Martial Arts. I find myself sad at the end of these videos because you leave me wanting more information. I feel like Johnny 5, need input!
I decades ago have a background in TKD having studied formally two different schools of TKD back in the late 80's through the mid 90's, disclaimer I've only formally graded to Green Tip level (one of those took me two attempts) but have twice completed the Green Belt program, both times the instructors said they couldn't see me not getting my Belt and started me on the blue belt program. I came back just after Y2K informally for a bit, but the over focus on Sport and leg power kicks (past training had bean more well rounded with Hand Strikes, Blocks & Tactical Kicking) saw me leave again before I'd committed to formally resuming my study. lately I've bean thinking of returning to formal study since the informal study in general martial arts I've bean doing has started to get me back in to shape and more structure in my training would be good, TKD was going to be one of my arts I was considering strongly, most schools I've looked at I didn't gel with the Instructor (most of those being more TKD based kickboxing or part of a MMA program) and the rest where teaching "Olympic Foot Fencing" and not the TKD of my youth. Is this this the modern world of TKD or just my corner of it?
Finding a GOOD TKD school is very tough. They are definitely out there but you have to do some research so think it's more in the common world of TKD, at least in America. We have a chain of TKD schools out where with a HORRIBLE reputation and they are total McDojo, but we have good ones as well. You have to define what you want and visit these schools to find if it's the right fit.
Thanks for this. I’m practice and teach shotokan, so this was a history lesson for me, more so than taekwondo practitioners. Much like karate, it seems that taekwondo has many sub-styles. I have known a few a few practitioners, and their styles were different. One friend teaches in a local dojang and their pyang ahn forms resemble our heian katas.
Very informative! I'd suspected that the "Tang" in Tang Soo Do referred to the Tang dynasty, much like the original translation of Karate (Tang Hand, aka China Hand). Keep it up!
they're the same word. Tang soo do is how you read The characters for the "china fist" spelling of karate. Likewise Kong soo do was an alternate name used by some schools that would be the korean reading of karate as " empty hand".
It should also be noted that there is a major difference in technique styles between what we will generalize as ITF style and WTF style TKD. General Choi was a military man, and so in ITF style you find much more use of the hands, more kicking with one foot still on the ground, and kicking with the ball of the foot, as if one was wearing a heavy combat boot style footwear. WTF or Kukkiwon style was really marketed and developed as a sport, and so uses less hand techniques, more jumping flashy kicking, and kicks that strike with the top of the foot, as these look more interesting in tournament settings.
your input on General Choi Hong Hi was the nice version of what S. Korea did to him. Also, Won Kuk Lee learned Shotokan while in Japan at the highest level a Korean could learn in Japan, and from Gichin and Gigo Funakoshi, and when he returned to Korea he did open his Kwan Chung Do Kwan which is where General Choi Hong Hi was a student
Having studied and been graded in both Taekwondo and Karate, I still enjoy both both but the cult like devotion to Gen Choi from ITF practitioners to be honest grates on me, respect him by all means for his drive and accomplishments but.........in saying this I believe a lot of changes he made to techniques from his initial Karate training was simply to be perverse and make it "different" , the sine wave is also a big example of this, dropping into a technique is nothing new but the exaggerated movements introduced later into the system even surprised his senior instructors with many reputedly telling him its not working and him apparently admitting this but unable to put the genie back into the bottle so to speak, his books are quite an interesting reading into both the man and Korean history, one book (which is listed above) I thoroughly recommend is "A Killing Art: The Untold History of Taekwondo" ....I mentioned it as a good read a few years ago and was told "if you want to keep training here don't mention that book to the students".......
It's interesting about the Sine Wave motion. I remember my instructor going over it during one class, but never went over it again. It explained through when doing the horse stance. I think it was we started learning the Do-San form when my instructor talked about Sine Wave. Maybe it it's just me, but the doing the motion didn't appear to be exaggerated as much as generating the amount of power. And with the Sine Wave motion appears in many of the techniques in each of the forms, it just never appeared exaggerated to me.
@@ghost7524 I started the sinewave in 1987 after our group joined the ITF ,I always thought it bullshit from the start,it has no possible combat application,the again neither do the patterns as a whole.
@@scarred10 I could possibly see the Sine Wave motion as a way to generate extra/more power into a technique. The Sine Wave motion isn't any different than other types of motions that are supposed to generate power. The forms... I get what you are saying, I really do. But, they are just a way to help a student learn techniques and movements. After you learn then, why can it be that the student learns to adapt what was learn in a form in a particular situation?
@@ghost7524 the sine wave is different, it doesn't work as well as the normal methods of generating power and is entirely unworkable in combat,that what martial arts are about or else wed all be doing ballet.As for the patterns they're a complete waste of training time,nothing you learn in them can ever be applied to combat,unlike shadow boxing and shadow wrestling with are drilling the exact same things you already know works in a live situation. All training should be related to what happens in a fight or self defense,you work backwards from the fight to construct drills and scenarios based on reality.99% of schools dont do that.
This is a good video in an incredible video I just wish I could have stayed in my original karate class back in 2011 but taekwondo is really amazing and it can be very effective when you use it the right way and the street fight or any other way it's all about learning the way of the martial arts that you truly want to learn the most 🥋🇰🇷🙏😌🙏🇰🇷🥋
I'M 8th DAN in Taekwondo Yun Moo Kwan (complete, powerful martial TKD, not the horrible "dance competition" of nowadays), which original master was Chung Sang Sup. Here appears as Ji Do Kwan, which was a branch-division from the Yun Moo Kwan. My master was a Korean, Choi Sung Nam, that already passed away.
I did a little Moo Duk Kwan in 1967 at the Ft. Dix New Jersey Army base. I had just started Shotokan Karate in 1966 before being drafted in March 1967. I found Moo Duk Kwan to be very similar to the Shotokan that I had started training in via Shotokan Karate of America.
So apparently my TDK school in Pretoria is the first one in Ontario! So ya cool! The founder was Master Raymond Sandison! It was one of the first to be apart of the W.T.F! So ya really cool. Edit: the one in Pretoria isn't the first one in Ontario that honor belongs to Toronto
I really respect your videos I practice TKD. On a normal basis we do plenty of hand stikes/boxing in my school. Because it's part of the art. Yes competition has parameters. Doesn't mean people who study the art do not know how to use their fists And of course yes. A martial artist who want to go further should cross train when they can I. Different schools and arts
I'm a 1st Dan in traditional TKD, meaning the dojang I went to (although its a WTF dojang) isn't focused on the sport version but rather combat and self defense. Also, unlike sport TKD we learn the proper hand techniques and blocks as well as take downs from Hapkido (even us black belts have BJJ in our curriculum). It was to my understanding that traditional Tae Kwon Do was created from Shotokan Karate, because of, as you said, the Japanese occupation of Korea. Everything else was made up by the Korean government. BTW I don't know the name of specific style of TKD I know, I asked my master who's a born and raised South Korean and for some reason he got a bit annoyed and said "this is just Tae Kwon Do" lol he's a good man though.
Tkd its only one and its tkd itf which is the only one style who was created but as a result of politics was created wtf which is not a martial art its a sport as well as part of the itf who practice it as a sport so far the only one great grand master who practice and teach the real martial strategi its great grand master kwang duk chun who was a student of general choi he still teaching and he is a 10 degree.
Very cool. As a master in Tang Soo Do, id like to say that there are still versions of Tae Kwon Do that mirror very closely the art of Tang Soo Do. More specificity American Tang Soo Do (which I teach and I have seen you partner with a known practitioner of) is more closely related to Tae Kwon Do then some styles. The sparring you showed however looked to be very much WTF, which is NOTHING like Tang Soo Do fundamentally and is very much sport. Their forms are done with very small stances, and their sparring basically as if they have no hands at all(because they don’t score points). Most people now days know this as the olympics have popularized it in a world wide way and that’s what people think of. There really isn’t a connection to Tang Soo Do and WTF (WT) Tae Kwon Do. Tang Soo Do maintains its roots in Shotokan and northern style Kung Fu (northern styles have more emphasis on high kicking, southern on low stances and hand techniques historically) primarily. WTF is based on exciting techniques and efficiency for sparring, not really grounded as a self defense system such as Tang Soo Do and other variants of Tae Kwon Do. Thanks for the hard work that goes into your videos. It shows.
Tang Su Do is literally the translation of karate do but using the original kanji for the Tang dinasty. Funakoshi changed it to the Kara we know today to erase its Chinese origin.
The sparring in WTF TKD was really the most interesting thing from ITF/Chung Do Kwan sparring. Not having your hands/guards up. When I started studying WTF TKD, I was one of 3 people in the class that had ITF TKD training, so we would be the only ones during sparring that would have our guards up; Now, that's not to say that the WTF didn't have their guards up wither, just not nearly as much. But, I never doubted the power of WTF TKD. During my first sparring practice, I sparred with a student who was 3 gups below me, 5 inches taller and at least 60 pounds heavier. I did a left stepping forearm block to his spinning right roundhouse kick. Later I had to go to the ER after class because my left arm was hurting bad. Had X-rays done and it looked like I fractured my forearm, but it wasn't. WTF sparring may look flashy, but there is power in it.
ghost7524 there is no doubt. The power is in the speed and looseness. Kicking Power in more traditional TKD is in the structure and pivot of the foot most often.
@@instructorlex8273 " Kicking Power in more traditional TKD is in the structure and pivot of the foot most often. " Definitely what was taught by my ITF instructor and my WTF instructors too.
ghost7524 yes but the WTF kicks don’t have much pivot too often. The foot doesn’t pivot because the next kick is ready and the lack of a pivot gives it a head start. I call this the half pivot and teach to do less pivot when another kick coming quickly is the intention.
Great video, please make videos about these ridiculous "no touch martial arts" and why it exists and why a lot of misguided martial artists believe in it.
...you mean like George Dillman, and his "Chi ball" throw of energy? I've never seen his techniques ever work outside of the "Bible belt" of the U.S. ...maybe ya just gotta have faith in it. 😊
Origin of Taekwondo kick and Influence of Taekwondo kick on Karate and Kungfu Choi Hong Hee created ITF Taekwondo which is original Taekwondo. So some people say Choi Hong Hee made Taekwondo kick. But it is not true. Choi Hong Hee included Taekwondo kick in forms when he made ITF Taekwondo forms but did not make Taekwondo kick. Taekwondo kick mainly came from Taekkyeon. Early Taekwondo masters who were related to Taekkyeon were Lee Won Kuk, Hwang Kee and Choi Hong Hee. Lee Won Kuk went to Japan to study in 1926 and learnt Karate from Gichin Funakoshi when he was studying in Chuo University and came back to Korea in January 1944. In August 1944, Lee Won Kuk saw an old man who dug 3 holes on ground with 2 meters distance as triangle shape and was doing kicks stepping the holes in turn and jumping at Jangchungdan Park in Seoul. Later, Lee Won Kuk met him again several times and found out the kicks the old man did was Taekkyeon. Some people say Lee Won Kuk also saw Taekkyeon at An Kuk Dong in Seoul when he was young. In September 1944, Lee Won Kuk founded Chung Do Kwan and taught Karate and Kicks from Taekkyeon. The kicks became Taekwondo kick. Chung Do Kwan was first martial art school in Taekwondo history. According to interview of Eom Woon Kyu who was a student of Lee Won Kuk and a former Kukkiwon president, spinning back kick, spinning hook kick, flying side kick etc were used in sparring before Korean War[1950]. It means same kicks to Taekwondo kick already existed in 1940s before Choi Hong Hee created original Taekwondo in 1954. Hwang Kee said in Soo Bahk Do textbook published in 1970 “At the end of Joseon Dynasty, there existed an art called Taekkyeon, which is used as pure kick techniques. Among currently surviving elderly people, there are actually a lot of people who learnt it and saw it. As aspect of techniques of our martial art, specially as kicking techniques, it gave us a great deal of lessons and became mother art.” The martial art Hwang Kee created was Soo Bahk Do, not Taekwondo. But Soo Bahk Do kick was same to Taekwondo kick because martial art schools shared kick techniques together in early days of Taekwondo history. Choi Hong Hee, creator of ITF Taekwondo, said in Taekwondo textbook published in 1972 “Taekwondo was created as modern and scientific martial art by comprehensively researching Taekkyeon which used feet and Karate which mainly depended on technique of hands.” Traditional Karate had front kick, crescent kick, side kick and roundhouse kick. Roundhouse kick was done with ball of foot, not top of foot and does not appear in traditional kata. Front kick was available for high kick and jump kick. But side kick and roundhouse kick was used as body kick. Traditional Kungfu had front kick and crescent kick. Taekwondo form[poomsae] was influenced by Karate form[kata]. But Karate kick was influenced by Taekwondo kick. Lee Won Kuk, founder of Chung Do Kwan, went to Japan again in 1951, taught martial art and came back to Korea in 1961. There is a photo of Lee Won Kuk and his students which was took in Japan on November 4, 1954 when third belt rank test was held. New kick techniques of Karate, specially Shotokan Karate, began to appear from the late 1950s. For example, spinning back kick and flying side kick appeared in the late 1950s. It is almost no doubt that new kick techniques of Karate were influenced by kick of Lee Won Kuk who stayed in Japan about 10 years and taught martial art[Karate and Korean kick] there. And more kicks were influenced in 1960s when Taekwondo became famous world wide for kicks like flying kicks, spinning kicks and high kicks. Specially Kyokushin Karate looks influenced more probably because Kyokushin Karate was created by Korean in 1964. And sparring rule of Kyokushin Karate is almost same to Taekwondo. For example, punch to face is banned but kick to face is allowed. Only difference is Kyokushin Karate fights without any protection and allows low kick. Some people say Taekwondo kick was influenced by Kungfu kick, specially northern style. But it is not true. Some people will think traditional Kungfu and modern Kungfu are same. But they are not same as aspect of kick techniques. Bruce Lee was first Chinese who used diverse kick techniques. Shaolin monks are not first ones. It means Kick techniques of modern Kungfu was influenced by Bruce Lee very possibly. Bruce Lee learnt Taekwondo kick from Jhoon Rhee, known as Father of American Taekwondo. So it is more like Kungfu kick was influenced by Taekwondo kick rather than Taekwondo kick was influenced by Kungfu kick. Chuck Norris who was Bruce Lee’s friend learnt Taekwondo kick when he was in Korea. Action movies also were influenced by Taekwondo kick due to Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris. Savate and Capoeira had similar kicks to Taekwondo but were unknown martial arts in East Asia until 1960s. Some people say Gigo Funakoshi[Yoshitaka Funakoshi] developed new kick techniques or accepted new kick techniques from Savate. But new kicks in Karate appeared after more than decade from Gigo Funakoshi’ death in 1945. It is said Gigo Funakoshi wrote Karate textbook with his father, Gichin Funakoshi. The Karate text was called Karate Do Nyumon and published in 1943. There is back kick in the Karate textbook. The back kick is backward kick, not spinning back kick. But some people misunderstood the back kick as spinning back kick because spinning back kick is often called back kick as short name. Probably misunderstanding of the back kick made some people develop legendary story of Gigo Funakoshi as creator of new kick techniques.
What Choi Hong Hee said about Karate can be important, if he did not lie, because Choi Hong Hee learnt Shotokan Karate at the period from 1938 to 1943 in Japan when Yoshitaka Funakoshi had leading role in Shotokan Karate as a principal instructor. Choi Hong Hee said Shotokan Karate was a martial art which mainly depended on techniques of hands. What Choi Hong Hee said disproves the legendary story of Yoshitaka Funakoshi as creator of new kick techniques. And karate book[Karate Do Nyumon] published in 1943 by Yoshitaka Funakoshi with his father, Gichin Funakoshi, does not have new kick techniques which are often used in modern sports Karate. This book proves Choi Hong Hee did not lie.
Hwang kee was my grand master... my teachers were not allowed to award me my belts only a piece of tape on my belt as to my ranking per belt.. in order to get my next belt i had to meet with grand master hwang kee with some buddist monks in nyc in a private large room every year for the next 14 years.. i was hand picked by my grand master.. due to natural ability, speed and precision...my training was EXTREME mixed with asian philosophy(train the mind) I have competed in many tournaments (full contact) and closed door tournaments..(undefeated)... i also have to say this ... I AM ASHAMED FOR WHAT TKD, TANG SO DO AND SOO BAHK DO HAS BECOME..ITS A KICKING FRENZY ..LITTLE TO NO HAND TECH IN TOURNAMENTS!! And most will achieve a black belt in 5 years or less...it took me 10 years of extreme training to achieve my first degree black belt! And yes i am old now.. all i can do is teach...(im south korean)
Damn, respect, I want to go to South Korea one day, I have been training Taekwondo for a few months now, I am an orange belt, but tbh I am not that good I just want to get better, I love Taekwondo and I hope to continue it for a long time, God bless you.
There's a lot more to it's story than this. Taekwondo, Way of the Had and Foot, roots were originally the common soldier's fighting system which was partially to blame for it being lost. Archaeologists found shards depicting what they thought were dance rituals but then years later someone discovered it wasn't dancing moves but rather fighting exercises. As much as possible of this system was resurrected but most was lost. The gaps in the evidence was eventually filled using other techniques to create modern day Taekwondo. Sorry for not having names and the such, my notes for a book of the histories of Martial Arts I was researching to write is buried somewhere under piles of notebooks
it was never only kicking but the olympics portray that message.However,it is not complete,its very ineffective as a way of training if combat is your goal.
scarred10 I disagree. As a striking martial art it is complete. The problem is proper training and using it in live sparring. There’s video of a sparring session on a UA-cam channel called “hard2hurt” where you can see a guy using Kung fu rather effectively. Now the kung fu guy did have a reach advantage but he was effectively using techniques from kung fu and using Kung fu almost exclusively. Yes some martial arts are mostly or absolutely useless but a lot of them just require proper training and practice using the techniques on resisting opponents. I do think mma is more effective in the sense that it takes less time for it to begin to work well for you.
Nice overview and introduction to TKD and the Korean arts. There is plenty more to uncover for anyone wishing to learn more. The Korean arts have a long, complicated and sometimes controversial history.
Pretty good brief coverage on taekwondo history, because of politics the story differs alot with the different organizations as to what really happened, pretty hard to know which one to believe for us born in a different time, however this version of events was pretty much what my instructor passed onto me aswell so good to know there is consistency with what really happened back then, from my studies general Choi also staged a revolution while being forced to fight for the Japanese empire was caught out and was imprisoned until the Korea japan ordeal was over, I'm on the 2nd book of his memoirs of his life as we speak. good video :)
The illustrations of the manuals at the begining of your video are from Korean manuals that copied the material from a Chinese manual by Ming general Qj Jiguang
Right on the money, Korean martial arts didn't exist before 1950s. They had a good archery but that's it. no records of Korean martial systems exist in History, not in Japanese, Korean, nor Chinese. Subak was a name for Chinese system, ssirum is just wrestling not a martial art used for war, Teakkyun is quite new and it was a peasant game akin to British shin-kicking, it didn't have hand techniques nor weapon use.
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 absolutely, Korean nationalism gets in the way when looking at this topic. Original martial arts were weapon based, empty hand was a last resort and used for basic training
I studied in South Korea for 4 years. TKD actually was derived from a martial art called Kang Duk Won. Nowadays KDW is under the umbrella fo the greater World Tae Kwon Do federation but is practiced as a separate martial art. It is often referred to as "Kang Duk Won Tae Kwon Do". The similarities are very apparent in nearly all corresponding forms. KDW originally came form Okinawa via a Korean who served as an imperial guard for the King of Okinawa. After the King was deposed by the Japanese the man in question returned to Korea. Originally KDW had only 5 forms or Pinans as they were referred to in Okinawa Karate. At some point several students of a local Korean martial art instructor were chasing a fellow student down a street to punish him for being repeatedly tardy to class. The man witnessed this and took pity on the harassed student and quickly defeated all the aggressive students. Those students returned battered to their teacher who sought out the man in order to get his side of the story as to what had transpired. After finding the man the Korean teacher was very impressed with his character and skills and sought a collaboration between the two. The Korean instructor taught a style from China (Kung Fu). The resulting martial art would be Kang Duk Won. The 5 original forms or pinions served as the material up to black belt while the post black belt forms were from the Kung Fu school. KDW predates TKD and TKD forms basically are more stylized versions of the KDW forms and this is readily apparent when they are compared side by side.
This makes me want to make a video detailing the history so there aren't so many misinformed or nationalistic videos out there. And to include the bits of information many that get it somewhat correct miss. And to pronounce the Korean words correctly.
Art of One Dojo I assume by the "twice" you meant the comment for Daniel. Much of what you have is nearly correct. It still has a bit of nationalistic views and feels like it was sourced from a Soo Bak Do artist. It's hard to properly cite things with Korean history. Much of it is changed, seemingly every ten years. And much of it could be seen as hate speech towards the Koreans. And because of the hate, much of the actual facts have been tainted as "Japanese racist propoganda." Especially anything written or said about the two nations between 2007-2011 when there were several internal immigration issues in Japan. While much of the hate out there was created by the Japanese history revisionist,[1] much of the "uriginal" and "koreationist" hate is valid. Most of it thanks to the Kukkiwon lying about being 2,000 years old and denying their Karate roots. Some of it thanks to Hapki Yusul and it's splinter arts. The rest of the hate is due to ignorance. Either because history books have a Japanese Nationalistic view clear of past sins, or because the Japanese fail to see why Korea would read Chinese characters in Korean.[2] [1]Revisionist as in they deny the raping of Nan King, comfort women, the oppression of Korea, China, the Philippines, and other war crimes. [2]Korea has arts like Judo and Kendo, but they read and pronounce them in Korean. Judo becomes Yudo, but it's still Judo. Kendo become Gumdo, but it's still Kendo. Just as the Japanese read Bajiquan as Hakkyokuken. And when pointed this out, the racist Japanese(there aren't many of them) claim that the Koreans should still read in in Japanese. Calling the Korean language the language of cockroaches. Blatant racism. -Tang Soo Do was the Korean pronunciation of the old Kanji used for Karate that meant "China Hand." Hwang Kee later changed his art's name to Moo Duk Kwan Soo Bahk Do when the Kukkiwon admitted they lied about being 2,000 years old. He did this to protect his copyright over his version. Moo Duk Kwan being the school, Soo Bahk Do being the art itself. -Moo Duk Kwan is the name of Hwang Kee's school. His style is Soo Bak Do. -Kong Soo Do was the Korean pronunciation of the current Kanji used by Funakoshi for Karate, "Empty Hand." -Subak(Soo Bak) is another name for Takkyeon to many historians who try to keep to the Nationalistic lie while also leaving room for plausible deniability. The real truth is it was another word to refer to martial arts. Much like Gwon Beup, the actual historical term. Currently, the only person to call their art Subak is the same man who invented the term. Hwang Kee calls his art Soo Bak Do. -Gwon Beup was a term used to refer to the arts found in the "Manual of New Military Tactics." A Chinese fighting manual used during the Joseon era. It was also used to reference Okinawa Te family styles that referred to their art as Kempo, such as Seiyu Oyata's RyuKyu Kempo/Ryu-Te. Not to be confused with George Dillman's fantasy bastardization. -Tae Soo Do was a working title for what we would know now as Taekwon-Do. It later became the name of a McScheme in Hwaorang-Do. -Taekkeon is a harder thing to dispell. It was certainly a folk dance of some kind, and likely did look like modern Taekkeon. The guy who "brought the martial art" back had the backing of historians at the time who helped him shape the fib to match a nationalistic narrative. This one gets the benifit of the doubt. But only because the documents proving it to be a fake had been "lost" to fit the nationalistic agenda. -It wasn't mentioned here, but Hwaorangdo is another popular lie that piggybacked off the 2,000 year old lie that the Kukkiwon use to tell. At one point, all literature on the Hwaorang pointed to them being pretty women. This was changed during the late 40s to mean "flowering men." And other narratives were added on to make them out to be Korea's Samurai. Except, Chinese literature still lists them as "beautiful women." Joo Bang Lee took advantage of this lie to claim his Hapkido was in actuality the secret art of the Hwaorang. Him pushing out this narrative gained him the support from many historians who prefer the pretty lie over the ugly truth. And if not for he and Henry(his son)'s McDojang practices, the lie may have never have been broken. Outside of students of the Shanghai University of Sport and other Universities reading about the hwaorang. And Japanese who wish to push out their racism who cite these facts with half truths. -Haedong Gumdo is another art not mentioned here that took advantage of the lies set up by the other organizations. A movie was later made detailing the history of the made up master the two founders of Haedong created. And if not for their greed in wanting the royalties, no one would have known they lied. Their Haedong was different enough from the Kendo(Gumdo) practiced in Korea to be believable. And the moves matched up with the grass cutter techniques found in the "Manual of New Military Tactics." -The only Korean arts to exist at that time was archery. And it was not banned. Martial arts in Korea was looked down upon by the Confucius based society as early as the 15th century. That's why during the Joseon era, the "Manual of New Military Tactics," referred to as Gwon Beup, was brought in from China when they had to defend themselves. *This is important to keep in mind whenever a Korean art state's their founder left for China for some reason related. See point below. -General Choi, Hwang Kee, and many others studied Karate. Some studied Shorin, some Goju. The majority studied Shotokan. And for those who left to China like Hwang Kee, it had nothing to do with them teaching Korean arts. He left to escape conscription into the army. Korean citizens were considered Japanese at that time. And Japan used the Koreans as bullet sponges in the infantry. -Each Kwan you listed are Karate schools. Most of them Shotokan schools. A Kwan is just a school, not an art. Calling them "Tang Soo Do" is the same as calling them "Karate Do."(See above explanation.) The schools were united under one name as Taekwon-Do. The man responsible for a majority of the uniting, General Choi, was booted because he exerted too much control over the oligarchy control and was thought to be a "Junshi" North Korea sympathizer. (You got most of this correct. But the history definitely seemed to come from a Soo Bak Do source. Every source has some bias, from Korean history to Japanese.) -When TKD first came to America it was just called Karate (which it was at the time.) When Rhee came, he propagated the fib of the art being over 2,000 years old knowing full well Choi made up that lie. A nationalistic lie told in an effort to sound "less boastful" according to the Kukkiwon. In truth, they did so because they were ashamed of their "national treasure" being Japanese in origin. And they wanted to sell their art to a Western audience. This lie, on top of their quickness to promote people in rank to propagate the art, is why the art was and is so popular today. -The ITF is just as guilty of telling tall tales to promote their art. Such as the story of a young Choi seeing a man defend himself with kicks alone. The main site now has a consistent lie, but if you read earlier biographies and autobiographies, you find discrepancies in Choi's stories. Most of his lies being about his martial history. Also note that in his history, Taekkeon was only available in scroll form. A scroll that mysteriously disappeared when people asked for it to be produced. And now it's an art that can be found rather easily. It should also be noted that the 2,000 year lie was created by Choi. -The 2,000 year lie is still being spread in some schools. As plagueful as the lie about a white belt becoming so dirty it becomes black. Not every school pushes out this fib, and a majority of Kukkiwon seats admit the truth now. But you also have people trying to claim that karate came from TKD, the opposite of what happened. People like that do not help to dispel the "Uriginal" and "Koreation" problem propagated in 2007. Same year the Kukkiwon updated their site, when Hondai pushed out a pure clone of a Honda product (who are already seen as a clone thanks to the names,) and the same time as the Korean diaspora in Japan debate occurred. When Racists wanted Koreans and those with Korean ancestry to leave. many pointing to the Yakuza to fake their reasoning. Same issues the USA is facing now with immigration and racial background. or what Europe is facing with the Muslim community. In Korean language, the letter K is pronounced with a G. Blame this one to early Romanization. Chinese and other languages have the same issue thanks to transliterist being overly complicated. Taekwon-Do would be pronounced Teh Gwon Do.
HsinHao Wang -- I don't know who you are but you have a good understanding of Korean Martial Art history. Thank you for being honest and knowledgeable. As you pointed out, Korean Martial Arts began in 1905 with the Japanese invasion of Korea.Your information is nearly if not entirely correct. The Koreans have made up lies about their art forms and styles and perpetuated the lies about them for many years. I have been aware for many years now about what you have said and you even went further than what I know. I started learning Japanese Martial Arts in the late 1950's. I had a very good foundation in Judo, Kendo, and Jiu Jitsu at the "J" Center in Gardena, California when I discovered Moo Duk Kwan then on to Tang Soo Do. I trained in Moo Duk Kwan then on to Tang Soo Do in the 1960's until I went into the military. I continued with the military style of Tang Soo Do with the Korean, White Horse Army Division, in South Viet Nam. There I received my first Black Belt. I was always interested in martial art history but all of my teachers could not speak English so I did not hear of these lies until I went to Iran. By then I had another Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do (Tested at the Kuk Ki Won) then a Black Belt in Kuk Sool Won, Kung Jung Mu Sool, Association. Beginning in the 1970's, when I was in Iran, I started to hear and learn all about the made up lies about Korean martial arts from the Masters themselves. They all were eager to tell on their rivals while keeping their lies alive. I learned about the politics and how money drives many of the martial art organizations. I got disgusted with this kind of crap and backed away from the politics, from the lies, and from the money aspects of martial arts. To this day, I am glad I did. The good news is that Korean Martial Arts has mature in to rich and effective Martial Arts surpassing the Japanese.
@Jon Heckendorf It's hard to piece a proper truth out of Korean martial arts because so many of the masters lied, bounced off each other's lies, and even had the South Korean government and historians backing them on some parts. And many of these lies have only surfaces within the past 20 years. And only in response to the Japanese racist nationalist wanting Koreans and Korean ancestors to leave Japan around 2006-2011. And stateside, in response to a fraud named Greg Park "ChosunNinja." And even then, only because of the growing landscape of the Internet. Some of those lies are still being propagated and created. The biggest offenders right now being Hapkido splinter groups and some Kyuktooki(sports fighting) gyms.
Good idea. But also please do not claim General Choi invented Taekwondo...and please add in the Kung Fu influence as well as Judo influence of early Taekwondo along with the Karate.
Just passing by. I studied Tae Kwon Do (ITF, WTF), Hwa Rang Do, Hwarang Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, Kendo, Karate, Wushu, kick boxing, judo, jujitsu, ninjitsu, boxing, capoeira and Shaolin kung fu. Basically my whole life. I was fortunate to have trained under a master who has retired whom people claimed to be the father of Tae-Kwon-Do. He told me his instructor was the last remaining 10th degree holder ( not the one created by WTF, the original ), and his teacher of his instructor was the original founder of Tae-Kwon-Do. He lived in Japan in Okinawa. He trained under a Shaolin Monk who was Chinese. The master had two best students. One remained in Japan and took on a Japanese name. He founded Karate. The other returned to Korea and founded Tae-Kwon-Do.
mas oyama took very little if anything from tkd,I dont even know if he trained in it,his main influence was goju ryu and muay thai which is it looks very different from shotokan and tkd.
Mas Oyama started with Shotokan Karate and then incorporated other Karate styles such as goju-ryu. He invented Kyokushin base even before Koreans invented Teakwondo...
Why he came to Japan? Why didnt he stay in korea and study tkd? Instead of learning pointless tkd he studied karate and muay thai and made one of the best martial arts of today.
@@Kyojuro___Rengoku TKD and teakkyun didnt exist in Korea at the time when Oyama was young. He learned several Karate styles in Japan and combined them.
Kyokushin Karate borrowed Taekwondo kick, probably by Oyama's son, not by Oyama. Before the year 1955 Taekwondo was created, Kyokushin Karate didn't use fancy kicks like round kick, spin kick, axe kick etc.
Mr. Dan does a great Job explaining the history of Tae Kwon Do in a very organized manner. Unfortunately, historical knowledge is very political and that heavily applies to Taekwondo. We will stumble to different historical versions of this art depending what school we come from. I am a witness of this since I have been trained in different styles of Taekwondo across two different countries. Mr. Dan, I really like and appreciate your usage of sentence starters such as: "there's debate weather..", "it is believed that...", "claimed to have trained..." etc. This shows that those statements as possibilities and not as facts. This is definitely a video that I would share with my students as I would like them to keep an open mind about these historical events and not take "political sides".
Thank you, I appreciate this comment. So many martial arts are politicized and have multiple angles so I think it's important to acknowledge that there are often other viewpoints. :)
ITKD mostly came from Shotokan. Yes it has little Kung Fu influence especially with Moo Duk Kwan. Koreans tried to improve upon Shotokan it and make a version they can call their own. It some ways it was improved and in others it wasn’t but in the end it became an explicit style of Korea.
in the UK, it was introduced by Grandmaster Rhee Ki-Ha (who is my grandmaster's grandmaster's grandmaster lol). as far as I know, ITF is the most popular here. that's just for a bit of information on how is it over here, as it's a bit different to the US.
My oldest brother was drafted during the Vietnam War and was stationed in South Korea. While there he earned a black belt in Moo Duk Kwon, but I remember the actual certificate he received, which was written in both Korean and English, said "Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwon" so at that time in the 1960s, Moo Duk Kwon was under the Tae Kwon Do umbrella. His teacher was an old Korean master but I don't remember the name. He trained American soldiers and when my brother was sent to Vietnam, his training saved his life. He told the story of how his unit was ambushed by the Vietcong and he ended up in hand to hand combat where he actually killed a few of them. He was one of three people from his unit to survive so his training saved his life in combat.
Yep and there was a split with there now being A Tong Soo do and a Tae Kwon do version
Wow.
I am from vietnam, well I hear the stories about Korean soldier was really good at that times, we dont kill each other with guns,we use martial arts,assassinate,melee combat.
@Malus thank you. You say the truth.
@Malus, my brother died at the age of 29 from cancer due to Agent Orange exposure when he was wounded. His own government killed him.
I'm 69 and originally began my training with the Norris system in Torrance California. There was a split and many of us joined Hwang Kee's, then, Tang Soo Do, which evolved into Soo Bahk Do. I served on the board of directors was a regional examiner for Hwang Kee under the guidance of his son Hyung Chul Hwang. Eventually I left and became non affiliated for the last 10 years before I retired. I spent some 20 years researching the history of my art. I avoided politics like the plague. My goal was to find some clarity beyond the folklore that often passes as history. Of all the books and pdf files I read one stood out, Shotokan's Secret, by Professor Bruce Clayton. Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do and Soo Bahk Do cannot be understood properly without going to Okinawa. That's where you will find your roots. I highly recommend reading this book. There are two ways to read. One, the incorrect way, is to look for things you agree and or disagree with. The other is to simply sit back and appreciate what the author is attempting to gift you. My apologies for the long post. Bill Diaz, Seattle
Thank you Bill!
@Stephen Kim Tang Soo Do is just Karate if translated form Korean, even their Kanji are the same. Katas a well. Japanese taught it to Koreans during the occupational period.
@@joewillson3454 except for the black belt forms
@@joewillson3454 Kanji are not same. Tang Soo is 唐手 and Gong Soo is 空手. The fun fact is 唐手 & 空手 are both pronounced Karate in Japanese. Karate in Japan originally was written 唐手 which translates to "Tang Hand" or "Chinese Hand". It was later changed to 空手 which means Empty Hand which is pronounced same as 唐手 because Japanese wanted to erase the Chinese origin of Karate and make it Japanese. This was around 1935. Kwans started to emerge in Korea around 1945 and called their martial art Tang Soo Do which is a straight translation of the Original kanji of Karate. It is more likely that Karate(空手) and Tang Soo (唐手) has a common origin and influence of Okinawan Karate and developed side by side.
This was the art that started it all for me and I've practice TKD for almost 8 years at the time. TKD has good foundation which I use in my current art of Kyokushin which I'm in at the moment for over a decade now.
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You are aware that Grandmaster Mas Oyama the founder of Kyokushin Karate was a Korean by birth?
@@supershooter20 Does that matter? Oyama practiced Shotokan and Goju-Ryu karate his entire life, before creating his own style. Its like you can see a lot of Spanish or English, or American Karate styles these days. It does not matter what nationality you are as long as you don't manipulate history and say something retarded like "karate came from Spain". Koreans like saying those things though.
I'm really glad you covered Tang Soo Do, Hwang Kee's Mood Du Kwan, and the other kwans as this is often overlooked when discussing Tae Kwon Do. As a TSD practitioner it's nice to not be overlooked!
Tang Soo Do is so awesome! I learned about it becuase that’s what Cobra Kai characters were taught for Karate Kid movie and they even mention it and use in the Netflix show Cobra Kai which is awesome. I would I choose that,but we only have one good Taekwando school in my small town lol.
Realistically tsd mdk and other kwans are all kind of the same with nuanced differences
I learned taekwondo from one of the best grandmasters that ever lived grandmaster Jack Pierce
I'm a 3rd degree black belt in moo duk Kwan taekwondo and I learned some more today. Thank you Mr. Dan.
Where is your MDK school ? Who is your instructor? There are very few MDKTKD instructors that teach true MDKTKD?
@@tammm2015 K C Chung he's in Florida and I studied under his student Grand Master Osvaldo Casta.
One Korean Art you should do a history of is Hapkido
Patrick Forsythe basically hapkido is the basic and intermediate level techniques of daito ryu aikijujutsu learned when the founder was a servent in japan. He claims to be an adopted son of the head of daito try but japan back then was very racist and nationalist and a samurai family would never adopted a Korean orphan then make him the successor. Him claiming they erased him from the daito ryu student scrolls is also suspect as the scrolls contain a few Korean students but no Choi yong sul. Aikido founders son says they know of Choi yong sul but he was just a house servent who came to a few seminars and learned some basics which were required for all members working in the household for defense purposes. Both aikido and hapkido contain the same kanji characters and both derive from daito ryu aikijujutsu save for hapkido adding a lot more kicks and strikes.
Hapkido is a more traditional from of TKD, pre-WT and -ITF
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DarkKnight2037 really not the same. In my system we utilize some HKD and it is more like Aikido in the sense it’s premise for self defense is often invested in circular movements, like Aikido, to use the opponents weight and momentum against them. Tae Kwon Do does NOT do this. It is much more linear in its attacks. It does incorporate Korean kicking however because this has become the one characteristic of Korean arts, kicking that is.
Hapkido is beautiful.
Also Hugan Do as well
My dad told me that post war Korea was a rough place with much poverty and struggle to survive, so if you did martial art chance was likely that you would use it in a street fight.
A great introduction to Taekwondo and the Korean martial art family. Thank you Mr. Dan for the video, it simply wet the appetite for more.
I study Hwa Rang Do in Australia.
Hwa Rang Do... Way of the Flowering Youth. The king if Silla brought together fighters from all over then took the best of each and created the External/Internal Hard/Soft system of Hwa Rang Do which was restricted to the members of the elite who served in the Army.
@robbie gareauThey are difficult to find but they are out there. Look for Moo Duk Kwan, usually they teach Soo Bahk Do (Tang Soo Do) but some also have Hwa Rang Do classes
@@awickedtribe that's a complete fantasy lmao
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 how so?
@@awickedtribe did you research the history of who the hwarang actually were? And when hwarangdo was developed?
Nice effort at trying to disentangle the history mess. Of all martial arts, there is probably not one as heavily politicized as this one.
I had the privilege of training with master J.A. Blake (died 8th dan in 2001, first Canadian born to ever become a master) and with his own teacher, which was General Choi Hong Hi himself. I met and trained under him numerous times from 1980 up to a few months before his death in 2002. I also trained with the late Master Tran Trieu Quan and met the general's son, master Choi Jun Hwa several times, both men being responsible for the ITF split in three when North korea appropriated ITF at the death of Choi. I also trained for several years in Karate-Do, most notably Shotokan and I have now been involved with the Olympic Taekwondo movement and Kukkiwon Taekwondo for the last three years.
All this to say that I have touched since my training started in 1974 a good chunk of this history.
Gen Choi told me himself that he did lead significant technical expansion and improvement in techniques, teaching and power principles of his Oh Do Kwan style from 1966 onward at the head of his International Taekwon-Do Federation, to the point of making a style that is significantly different from it's roots. But he candidly told me that he did not create the original techniques at all. At the start, he was but the one to lead the unification effort of korean martial arts under his own label of Taekwon-Do at the request of President Rhee.
He did so with the help of numerous masters, not all by himself. Tang Soo Do grandmaster Hwang Kee was one of those masters involved initially; but eventually he choose not to follow this effort and distanced himself from the burgeoning Tae Kwon Do movement.
Choi Hong Hi (pronounced "Chei Hong Hee" btw) learned taekkyon from his calligraphy master only as physical exercise because he was a small and sickly child. When he went to Japan to further his studies, he learned Karate-Do to really learn to defend himself, up to 2nd degree black belt under Funakoshi Gichin, founder of Shotokan. When he came back, inspired by the modernization of karate under Funakoshi, he wanted to do the same for Korea. Being involved in the military provided him a perfect platform to do so. He associated himself with Korean masters, especially Nam Tae Hi of Chung Do Kwan and worked into synthesizing and modernizing the martial arts for the military and eventually for the Korean people.
Hence the only connection to taekkyon is his personal exposition to it as a youth and learning from it to appreciate kicking.
The connection to Karate-Do however is obviously much more substantial. This is clearly seen in the first decade of what was then called Tae Kwon Do (he made up the name in reference to the old style of his youth), even as he was making his own set of patterns, classical karate-do katas were also taught.
In those early years, only the emphasis on kicking really distinguished the two arts. The complete separation came with his founding of the ITF in 1966, completing his set of patterns and devising a new training regimen and technical curriculum based on different power principles that would further change later on to bring about what we find today in his Taekwon-Do Encyclopedia.
And a lot of political intrigue and maneuvering peppered everything all along the way.
All the while, Korea kept alive the original version of the art with the founding of the WTF in 1973, which eventually led to it's adaptation as an Olympic sport of "kick fencing" so as to firmly separate it from all the other combative sports.
This is what most people are exposed to nowadays and think it is the whole of the art.
At the kukkiwon and in the South Korean military however, you can be sure what they are doing as taekwondo is not mere "kick-fencing." All the original hand techniques and hard training are kept very much alive.
And in the now numerous variants of the modernized Oh Do Kwan style, most calling themselves ITF or some form of it, you see all the variations possible between the completely unique art Choi left as his legacy and deliberate retrofitting to the 1966 basic ITF style, but all of them with at least the full richness of hand techniques you can find in Karate-Do, it's most direct inspiration.
When I talked of this with the man who first brought Tae kwon Do in Quebec in 1960 and leading the WTF movement there, grandmaster Chong Lee, some time before his recent passing, he confirmed all this to me. There was no Taekwondo before 1973. There was no Taekwon-Do before 1966. There was no Tae Kwon Do before 1955. but there has been a lot of kicking for along time before those. They were doing it differently... but kicking all the same... and punching and grabbing ...
What an awesome post, thank you so much for sharing this. You have an amazing insight and such a great thing to have known Choi Hong Hi. I apologize for the pronunciation of his name, I'm still trying to learn a lot of words I haven't had much exposure to, but I'm making the effort to work on it.
I found the Korean history of martial arts very interesting as I researched, such a rich background. So many people yell that I should have included "xyz" but there was so much to choose from, it was hard to decide what to keep and what to omit, which is why I made it clear that this was just a brief overview.
Very impressive that you have had such a great and wide exposure to different versions of TKD and that you could see the art in it's full and talk to the man that it.
Thank you so much for sharing your story :)
One of the rare benefits of being old ;)
Yes I feel very fortunate, no small thanks to my late master who was a very open minded man that never tolerated attempts to turn martial arts into religions and political parties.
Neither do I. And I can tell you I have seen first hand so-called masters trying to do just that.
With all the history revisionists out there and those with agendas to promote their political and financial movement, I thought it important to contribute what I had to your own effort in trying to see clearly through all this "classical mess," to paraphrase Bruce Lee.
I believe you are correct. It is also my understanding that as of when I started training, in 1974, some organizations in South Korea were actively managing the promotion of Korean black belts and sending them to various countries around the world.
The story of general Choi learning from his calligraphy teacher takkyeon has been proven to be quite the opposite. The reason why he said that was increase the legitimacy of tkd as ancient and better promote it overseas in the 70s
This was the same history that was taught to me in 2008 by my Sensei about Tae Kwon Do. As I did my own research, your facts line up with a lot of what I researched. Thank you for this information. There is a blessing that comes with age and that is wisdom which you have. In my black belt in Tae Kwon Do I learned all 8 palwge katas then after earning my brown belt we did all shotokan katas (bassai dai, enpi, kanku dai, jion) then I learned Koryo and had to perform that kata for my black belt examination. A lot of Tae Kwon Do has influence from shotokan karate in our dojo.
As a ITF black belt I did not know many details about the origin of my art... Thanks
Thank YOU! :)
genernal choi was originally student of master hwang kee basically green belt level when he left he then got 2nd degree in shotakon style incoporate most of that into tae kwon do original,style
General Choi was taekyun practitioner. He was arrested and enlisted into Japanese Imperial Army. From there he was taught karate. He took the moves mostly the hands technique (punches, blocks, grappling) merged with Taekyun then called it TKD. After the war, south Korea hated Japanese a lot and called taekwondo a Japanese influence then removed most of the hands technique. General Choi was frustrated and brought his TKD to north Korea labelled as ITF. The south TKD WTF is more taekyun oriented.
what you fail say on general,choi he learned tae kyon from hwang kee was the chief tae kyon and subak instructor at that time general choi,was only trained to roughly green belt level he took the karate moves from shotokan i took originsl tae kwon do from master dw kang years ago then tang so do learned,the info there if you wanted to,learn real self defense,you had leave,tae kwon do goto tang soo do or hwarang do because tae kwon do just a sport art
nomad terry - I totally agree with that sentiment. As a complete martial art system the commercialised Taekwondo world wide offering is often lacking. Focusing primarily on sport elements.
It is what happens when you try to solidify a martial art under one banner KUKKIWON (HQ for TKD) and determine a baseline to comply to and skill set required - international sport.
It is why I am fortunate enough to be training and teaching Hwa Rang Do in Australia - hwarangdo.com.au/ as a more rounded offering as a martial art.
My Grandmaster of Kali(arnis ) was a practitioner of Moo Duk Kwan.
Me.Since in High School Tae Kwon Do beginners practitioner, that's an influence of korean martial arts
The heavy Japanese influence early on is why you used to see so many variations of Karate Kata in the early days of TKD and some styles still practice a handful of kata in addition to poomsae
I once asked my brother in law's Tang Soo do instructor why they do Japanese kata and he said Korean kata is TOO much for Americans to get easily and he mentioned the Japanese occupation and influence on their Police department training. 🐯
kata like 🤔
Tang Soo Do Hyungs based off Shotokan kata
@@sonnygallo5662 your brother in law got lied to.
Karate is an Okinawan martial art.
Okinawa did not belong to Japan in the past
When Okinawa traded with Joseon, it was influenced by Subok
Studying under 8th Dan Santarose who studied under Grand Master Kang Ik Mu was one of the most critical and foundational martial arts that will never leave me. It's applicable and adaptable to all martial arts, and it's 50% of why I fell in love with martial arts
I’m a black belt in Chung Do Kwan. In the 90s when I started, it had a lot of similarities to Tang Soo Do, with non Olympic sparring and Kobudo weapons. The CDK great Grandmaster, Won Kuk Lee actually coined the name Tang Soo Do, and was the first to use it. CDK actually still has a HQ today, and there are many styles of it that still wear the traditional white, wrap around gi, and use the Shotokan based kata/hyung/ poomse.
i do Chung do kwan style, but we use WT uniforms. I think its shotokan based form, but idk
Could you name a few forms? I’m now doing Moo Duk Kwan, and we do Shotokan forms. I’m curious to see if there are similarities. Thanks.
@@mikemalone1236 idk how to spell them, but the first 4 are similarly named. They all start with (ignore the definetly wrong spelling) paulgue. I think orange belt form is paulgue il jong, but that could be white belt too
@@josephpruitt2067 That’s cool thanks for the reply. When I did TKD, we used to do those forms as well. Those forms were actually invented for taekwondo, then later, replaced by easier, Taegeuk forms. The Korean versions of the Shotokan forms are still used in Tang Soo Do, which is what TKD used to be called. Some forms she Ki Cho Il Bu, Ki Cho Ee Bu and Pyung Ahn Cho Dan.
It’s also cool to note that Tang Soo Do is Korean for Karate. At least the original way Karate was said before it was changed to (Empty Hand way). It use to be,(China Hand Way) Tang = China, Soo = Hand, Do = Way
I have been studying traditional self defense Taekwondo for over 25 years under Grandmaster Choon Lee. He came over from Korea and opened up his school in Shawnee Mission Kansas in 1972. Anyone in the midwest who wants to learn from a true Grandmaster should seek him out!
Always a pleasure here, Dan! When I first started training in the martial arts I studied as a senior in college from an American who was an MP in Korea and learned what he called Chung Do Kwan there. His senior was a 1st generation Korean man who became my next teacher, and from who I received my first black belt. Sometimes his Korean friends would show up and they would teach the class, saying they were Mu Do Kwan or one of the other Kwans. Later through my Tracy's instructor I learned he was Kang Duk Won. There were always little differences in the way the forms were done with positioning of the arms and legs. It was crazy in a way, and I see now why they wanted to unify the system. :-)
I see it too, all to easy to get confused with the different versions. Definitely an interesting idea to unify the arts together, and cool to see where it eventually went to and it's interesting to think about where it will develop from here.
Though I have moved on to other martial arts/Combat Sports such as BJJ, Greco-Roman and Catch-as-Catch Can Wrestling, Boxing and MMA, I will always hold a special place in my heart to my original martial art that I ever trained in, Taekwondo.
Taekwondo is great, I recently started taekwondo and I am learning a lot
Phoenix Feather, I recommended itf taekwondo
Wtf is fun but unrealistic,
If you recently started you dont know whether it's great or not,it is fun though,especially the sparring.
@@scarred10 wtf man, why would u say that, what do gain in spoiling someones fun. I do find it great and I am allowed to say that. I dit Karate for 3 years and now I'm doing taekwondo and now I have bee doing it for one and a half years and I think it is long enough to know if I like it. You are a fucking arsshole
@@agnikaineverdies7646 I do wtf taekwondo, and u are completely right, but I did shotokan karate for a long time and I wanted to try something different
@@agnikaineverdies7646 itf is the only way to go bruther
I was just literally talking to my Kwan Jang Nim yesterday about the Kwan, he is 9th degree black belt and his master were one of the founding fathers of taekwondo
It was an honor for me to have been a student of ITF/Chung Do Kwan TKD. An honor of studying in one of the 9 Kwans. I have also studied WTF TKD. And it was so amazing to me to see the similarities in both. While WTF TKD as just an Olympic sport art, it is definitely not just that. I have also studied a couple of Japanese Karate styles, and was able to see the similarities between them in technique to TKD.
I know that TKD is often said to be "Korean Karate". For the purpose of describing TKD to the general public that has no idea what TKD is, I don't see anything wrong with that. And technically, it's not wrong since TKD does have influences from Japanese and Okinawan Karate. I mean it's basically the same thing with with how Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was name so because at that time, Jiu-Jitsu/JuJitsu was more known that the martial art it's derived from, Judo.
I started learning karate at 6 yo for 8 years and stopped for a while and now started learning taekwondo to gather the power of punching and quick reflex from karate and fast and strong kicks from taekwondo is fascinating
Originally TKD contains very powerful strikes punches an kicks
I really enjoy and appreciate the fact that u take the time to educate about different styles of martial arts. So many ppl get into the whole my style is the best and everything else sucks mentality. Glad to see thats not everywhere. Keep upthe good work
Watching this reminded me that we have a rich history of martial arts too.Angampora Is So Useful.But,here not all are allowed to learn.So I do WT Taekwondo
Another great episode Mr Dan. I felt like this was really different then your other stuff but was still just as good.
Great clip, Mr. Dan. Touching on Grandmaster Rhee, his commercial advertising his school during the 70s and 80s is the stuff of legend in the DelMarVa area, and instantly local folks around that time certainly will recognize the line of "Nobody bother me! Nobody bother me either!" that was made very famous by that commercial. Whenever you get a moment, look it up, it's a rather clever and cute commercial!
iam not a history master, but ive trained taekwondo for many years, and in my search for my own way or my own style i found many commonalities, in taekwondo and many other martial arts, the obvius one is karate, but then once i was in MMA sparring ( i like to cross train ) i notice that some muy thai guys were using techniques that resembled taekwondo a lot, so i took a look at more arts, and everyone is different but they all have many comonalities.
to this day i still train but now i consider taekwondo my base art, but i think i managed to my it my own style not necesarily sticking 100% to it... i just want to make taekwondo how i think it could be ( following the forms so is not only sport and more complete).
Art of one dojo i am a taekwondo practitioner of both itf and wtf and this video was perfect
Taekwondo was developed during the 1940s and 1950s by Korean martial artists with experience in martial arts such as karate, Chinese martial arts, and slightly possible some indigenous Korean martial arts traditions
such as Taekkyeon, Subak, and Gwonbeop. The oldest governing body for taekwondo is the Korea Taekwondo Association (KTA), formed in 1959 through a collaborative effort by representatives
from the nine original kwans, or martial arts schools, in Korea. The main international organizational bodies for taekwondo today are the International Taekwon-Do Federation (ITF), founded by Choi Hong Hi in 1966, and the partnership of the Kukkiwon and World Taekwondo (WT, formerly WTF), founded in 1972 and 1973 respectively by the Korea Taekwondo Association. Gyeorugi , a type of full-contact sparring, has been an Olympic event since 2000. The governing body for taekwondo in the Olympics and Paralympics is World Taekwondo.
Beginning in 1945, shortly after the end of World War II, new martial arts schools called kwans were opened in Seoul. These schools were established by Korean martial artists with backgrounds in
Japanese, Chinese and Korean martial arts. The umbrella term traditional taekwondo typically refers to the martial arts practiced by the kwans during the 1940s and 1950s, though in reality the term "taekwondo" had not yet been coined at that time, and indeed each Kwan was practicing its own unique style of martial art. During this time taekwondo was also adopted for use by the South Korean military, which increased its popularity among civilian martial arts schools. After witnessing a martial arts demonstration by the military in 1952, South Korean President Syngman Rhee urged that
the martial arts styles of the kwans be merged. Beginning in 1955 the leaders of the kwans began discussing in earnest the possibility of creating a unified style of Korean martial arts. The name Tae Soo Do was used to describe this unified style. This name consists of the hanja tae "to stomp, trample", su "hand" and do "way, discipline".
Choi Hong Hi advocated the use of the name Tae Kwon Do, i.e. replacing su "hand" by kwon "fist", the term also used for "martial arts" in Chinese. The new name was initially slow to catch on among the leaders of the kwans. In 1959 the Korea Taekwondo Association (KTA) was established to facilitate the unification of Korean martial arts. In 1966, Choi broke with the KTA to establish the International Taekwon-Do Federation (ITF) as a separate governing body devoted to institutionalizing his own style of taekwondo.
Cold War politics of the 1960s and 1970s complicated the adoption of ITF-style taekwondo as a unified style, however. The South Korean government wished to avoid North Korean influence on the martial art. Conversely, ITF president Choi Hong Hi sought support for the martial art from all quarters, including North Korea. In response, in 1973 South Korea withdrew its support for the ITF. The
ITF continued to function as an independent federation, then headquartered in Toronto, Ontario, Canada; Choi continued to develop the ITF-style, notably with the 1987 publication of his Encyclopedia of Taekwondo. After Choi's retirement, the ITF split in 2001 and then again in 2002 to create three separate federations each of which continues to operate today under the same name.
In 1973 the South Korean government's Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism established the Kukkiwon as the new national academy for taekwondo. Kukkiwon now served many of the functions
previously served by the KTA, in terms of defining a government-sponsored unified style of taekwondo. In 1973 the KTA and Kukkiwon supported the establishment of the World Taekwondo
Federation (WTF, renamed to World Taekwondo in 2017 due to confusion with the initialism to promote taekwondo specifically as an international sport. WT competitions employ Kukkiwon-style taekwondo. For this reason, Kukkiwon-style taekwondo is often referred to as WT-style taekwondo, sport-style taekwondo, or Olympic-style taekwondo, though in reality the style is defined by the Kukkiwon, not the WTF.
Since 2000, taekwondo has been one of only two Asian martial arts (the other being judo) that are included in the Olympic Games. It became a demonstration event at the 1988 games in Seoul, a
year after becoming a medal event at the Pan Am Games, and became an official medal event at the 2000 games in Sydney. In 2010, taekwondo was accepted as a Commonwealth Games sport.
General Choi Hong Hi with support from Nam Tae Hi founded the Oh Do Kwan in 1953 as part of the Republic of Korea Army's Physical Training Program. Though initially founded as a school for
military training, the kwan soon developed a civilian annex as well. The primary civilian annex was called Dae Han Taekwon-Do Oh Do Kwan Jung Ang Bon Kwan. The civilian annex was located in
Seoul, as were all the major kwans at that time. Oh Do Kwan also taught Korean Police throughout South Korea, and instructed at some universities as well.
The first people to instruct the army in martial arts were Nam Tae Hi, Woo Jong Lim, Ko Jae Chun, Kim Suk Kyu, Baek Joon Ki, Kwak Keun Sik, Kim Bong Sik, Han Cha Kyo Chung Jang Keun, and Kim Bok Man, almost all of whom were originally Chung Do Kwan members. Chung Do Kwan members brought into Oh Do Kwan by senior Chung Do Kwan members Nam Tae Hi and Han Cha Kyo.
The first documented patterns to be unique to Taekwon-do were taught at Oh Do Kwan. These were the Chang Hun tul; these were designed primarily by General Choi, with assistance from Nam Tae Hi and Han Cha Kyo. These patterns were spread throughout the world by General Choi upon his creation of the International Taekwon-Do Federation in 1966.
Today the Oh Do Kwan still exist in Korea as a social club and has an annual celebration every year in Seoul. Oh Do Kwan was dissolved as a martial art system in the mid-1970s. The Oh Do Kwan
social club adopted the Kukkiwon style of taekwondo in 1972. Oh Do Kwan's current president is Han Myung Hak. I apologize if I repeated myself and I think you should read A killing Art by Alex
Gillis, There are no Hwrang Do or ancient arts and Gumdo is just Kendo as Taekwon Do is a weaponless art
Hi, I liked your comment very much and it seems to me that you really know a lot about Taekwondo in general (WT-ITF).
Could you please explain to me what are the differences between Taekwondo WT and Taekwondo ITF and what are the differences between Poomsay and Tul?
And which ones are the most traditional? Thanks a lot 🙏🏻
What do you mean by no hwrang do?
He just copied and pasted from Wikipedia. This moron knows nothing. General Choi was a coward communist betrayer and had a shit form.
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There's another Korean art that I find fascinating, Hwa Rang Do. Would you do a video on it?
And maybe even Hapkido?
I enjoy your videos. Kyokushin parts 1 and 2 were a blast. Waiting for part 3. Anyways I am a practitioner of Chung do Kwan. We’re from the lineage of GM Duk Sung Son, who was a student of Founder - GM Lee Won Kuk. Just looking at the other Korean arts histories there’s more than one Korean martial artist who trained under Sensei Gichin Funakoshi. We share most of the forms with Tang Soo Do, it’s based on the Shotokan forms e.g. Pyung Ahn , and the black belt forms such as Chulgi. Keep feeding us videos!
Gruncie John. I too received my Black Belt from Duk Sung Son in NYC. I see Lee Won Kuk's name come up as he was the founder Chung Do Kwan, but rarely do I see Duk Sung Son. Maybe you know the name: Jerry Orenstein.
Me too. But we don’t have the same lineage directly, but yeah. This shit is badass.
I’m from New York City 🏙️ 🌆 🌃
Our teacher had beef with a rival kyokushin teacher when they were kids, and anyways, they all knew Tiger Schulman when HE was fighting, so, the’re old 😅😂
But as for me, it saved me in a LOT of fights back in the day.
Fun fact, Joon Rhee actually started teaching in San Marcos, Texas while in college there. Later moving to D.C. to grow his martial organization in America. Many of his students in Texas went on to be legends in American martial arts competition.
Nobody bothers me. ;-)
He even used the popularity of Karate to help gain students in America. Seems like a deceiving tactic, but it's one of the reasons why TKD became popular.
I heard jhoon Rhee learned it forms from a s.korean military manual.
Glad you added the Japanese influences on TaeKwonDo as lots tend to "forget" about it
Sensei Ken Agree 1000%!
@Beatflysforever Exactly! Probably a lack of education mixed in with pride and ignorance. Anyone who has studied marital arts knows that Karate and TKD are the closest two arts, in terms of technique, philosophy and the things practiced.
Since the Korean government has been involved they have slowly been rewriting their history to eliminate the Japanese and Chinese influence. If you actually follow the only documented lineage of Taekwondo there is no evidence that Subok or Taekkyon had anything to do with TKDs inception as all of the original Kwans taught a form of Karate, Judo, and or Kung fu. Since Taekkyon has never been well documented its impossible to prove any connection with TKD.
captain beaver_man the “tae” from taekkyon is about as close an influence. General Hoi added that to make the art distinctly Korean.
@@captainbeaver_man903 If you put it that way Karate and all martial arts in Japan came from China but you don't see Japanese mentioning that do you? I guess someone likes rewriting history. huh?
In 1986 I had a good exchange with a Korean Marine drill Instructor at camp Moonchuck near Pohang. The Rok Marines are all students of Taekwondo.
EXCELLENT discription no matter what anyone else says. I have practiced Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwan and Tang Soo Do since 1972 as well as learning Okinawan Kenpo - Kobudo (Laohu Kenpo) Jeet Kune Do, etc. One thing though -- the Korean way to pronounce it sounds more like Teh Kwahn Doe not Tai Quan Doe.
Such an Amazing history. it makes so much such since now. lots of master during that time of many Korean styles its so hard to keep up and were to begin. all I can say is that I am a 3rd Degree Black belt in the ATA Martial Arts ( American Taekwondo Association ) I had an amazing opportunity to go to go train with my instructors in Murrysville PA many years ago when I was still in high school back in 3/25/2011 at the Grand Master Vision tour were all the 1st Degree and 2nd degree older kids and 1st through 7th Degree black belt adults got to train under 8th Degree chief Master that time was about to test for his 9th degree black belt Master In Ho Lee and 9 Degree Black belt Grandmaster Soon Ho Lee and 8th Degree Chief master who is now a 9th Degree black belt Grandmaster Michael Caruso. all I can remember from that night that it was intense , exciting and felt very honoring for the first time in my life to train under higher masters and meeting them both in person after training I could not tell you how nervous I was I felt like my knees were about to give out lol but after learning so much from that training of the Songahm traditions and origins of taekwondo many years ago and Grand Master Soon Ho Lee would tells us at the vision tour " There's always more to learn" that from there I would always take that advice with me for the rest of my life and and would cross train at Jeet kune Do , Kenpo Karate , and Japanese sword. i am not sure if you or anyone is familiar with the ATA Martial Arts but there are somethings that are good and some not so good thigs about it. as of recommendations i would for people that are starting out for as a beginning or just want to know what martial arts is like or have your child or children try it out. if its the one then i give the ATA a try however if not then try another Martial Arts school that might fit for you and your child and your family. other then that i felt like wanting to share my story because i have went to different schools here and there and im still trying to find myself and that is one of the hardest parts in my journey is knowing who you are as a Martial artiest and as a person.
I was born in South Korea and grew up training TKD there in the '60s. TKD was created in the '50s by a Korean army general who based it on Shotokan Karate. Tang Soo Do is Okinawan Shorin Ryu Karate. Hapkido is Japanese Aikijujutsu combined with some Tae Kyon kicking. Yudo is Judo. Hwarang Do is a mish mash of TKD, Judo, Aikido and even a little bit of Kung Fu, NOT an "ancient Korean martial art". Kuk Sool Won is a mish mash of various Kung Fu principles created in the late 20th century. Tae Kyon is, as far as I know, the only true Korean empty hand martial tradition still in existence. Even the Korean sword schools all seem to be just rip offs of Japanese Kenjutsu. None of these have anything even remotely to do with the martial arts of Silla or ancient Hwarang warriors, or whatever. Sorry, but those are the facts.
Are you referring to General Choi? If so I did mention that Choi is regarded sometimes as the creator of TKD but it is heavily disputed. I tried to keep this more objective but the fact is many people argue against that as well, but I don't take sides on the issue.
Tang Soo Do isn't simply a converted version of Shorin Ryu, it has a LOT of Shotokan in it (which in and of itself has roots in Shorin Ryu). It does have a LOT of Shotokan in it, but it also has some Kung Fu, Judo, and Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu roots as well.
I'm not sure what you are arguing about Hwarang Do, I never said it was an ancient Korean art.
This video was intended to introduce the viewer to the general roots of Korean Martial arts. I never said that TKD was the same art as Taekkyeon or 2000 years old, I was setting the stage of how Korea introduced their original arts and the foundation of their culture that grew. TKD is not a 100% original art, like most arts it has roots throughout a variety of system and ancestry.
You are correct. My own research confirms yours 100%. It might not be popular among some, but this is the truth. I’m an old man, a westerner, and lived throughout Asia for over 42 years
Thats a lot to copy and paste...
varanid9 k I was born in Ireland I was born in a Viet family with Viet parents and grandparents but all siblings born in Ireland
I'm thinking it might be a fruitless task to prove that any martial art sprung from nothing within a particular culture, and so is "owned" by that culture ... that it did not benefit from the teaching of any previous art.
Ultimately, all formalized martial arts can be traced back to the techniques instinctively adopted by primitive ancestors who defended themselves with strikes, kicks, and use of weapons learned at the very moment a fight began. Things gradually became more systematic from then, with techniques both invented and borrowed as cultures interacted with one another.
The physical techniques of Tae Kwon Do aside, it also teaches a philosophy and way of navigating life that is uniquely its own. Even with techniques paralleling other martial arts, the art does bear a Korean influence, just as, say, when American manufacturing methods were adopted by Japan, they ultimately were shaped into something new. I am happy to honor the Koreans for what they have done.
wow! awesome video!! I am a 6th Dan Tkd taught by Grandmaster Yong Suk Chang 8th Dan former Korean national Champion and Korean military instructor! respect! love this video
Nice, my Grand Master would definitely know Suk Chang, here is his link. I'm a 5th Dan. porthurontaekwondo.com/grandmaster-ho-yung-chung/
Taekwondo is my favorite martial art
I started my Taekwondo training when I was 9 years old and this is interesting to look at the origin of Taekwondo always wanted to look at the origin thank you
General Choi was a unique person, he endured the Japanese rule of Korea, changed his name while living in Japan and was at one point even drafted into the Japanese army to fight. He had an amazing life and it is best studied as he was the founder of the KTA, Even though he is listed as a principle founder of
Taekwon- Do, history has done their best to keep him out of the light, but that will never because of the ITF.
hes only ignored by the wtf which to me isnt even tkd.In ireland the wtf is very minor v itf, in my 15 yrs in tkd ive never seen a wtf school but in some countries its almost entirely the opposite,they wouldnt even know about gen choi.
In many ITF do-jangs General Choi is venerated to a cult like figure. Going way overboard in their adoration as far as I am concerned.
@@mck24601 I agree ,tkd never evolved to be an effective art because of gen Choi,he completely ignored the combat application of the art when instigating technical changes.
You forgot to mention the creation of the largest style of TKD Songham/ATA Taekwondo in 1969 by Haeng Ung Lee
Great summary I thought Tae Kwon Do itself (meaning the way it's mostly structured and taught now) was a lot older. Humm gonna have to dig deeper in Korean martial art history. Thanks for the overview and additional links.
scw2007 one of the first things I learned about TKD is that for a traditional martial art, it’s actually more modern than judo or BJJ
The "ancient" history of TKD was fabricated as part of the proposal to change the names used at the time tang soo do/kong soo do to Tae kwon do. Partly as an attempt to unify the kwans but also to hide the japanese influence on the art for nationalist reasons. "A Killing Art" by Alex Gillis is a pretty good read on the origins .
tae kwon do means hand and foot way
I love this video because you gave a homage to hwang khee founder of mudukwan which I am a black belt in the wtsda who was founded by jae chul shin who also taught chuck Norris in Korea when he was stationed there in 58
Excellent video as always Sensei Dan, I can see that you did allot of research, as well as organised and presented the material, in an excellent, academic manner. It was easy to follow and comprehend. The late Taekwondo master Jhoon Rhee, apparently is the one, that introduced Bruce Lee, to many of the kicks, that he would later on incorporate into his own training. Given that his original art of Wing Chun Kung Fu, only utilised kicks below the waste. Keep up the good work, looking forward to your next video, Osu!
Fun fact, YES, Jhoon Rhee worked with Bruce Lee, but Ed Parker (Founder of American Kenpo) helped get Bruce Lee on TV and got him cast as Kato in the Green Hornet TV show :)
Art of One Dojo I totally agree with you on that Sensei Dan. In fact the late Ed Parker Sensei, was very instrumental, in helping Bruce Lee have a public platform, to show case his talents and as you said, to then catapult to fame and superstardom! 👍
Bruce Lee studied other Chinese martial arts such as Tai Chi, Bak Hok, and Tan tui, not just Wing Chun.
Even though my school is called national karate, we study what Jhoon Rhee practiced, so I was very excited to see Rhee on here. Also, like this comment if you attend NK schools (which is in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and and a school in Colorado).
Nice overview! Some thoughts to share, though:
1. "Subak" is just an old word for "martial arts." Since Korea was highly influenced by Chinese culture (and was predominantly writing in classical Chinese), they just imported the word from China (shoubo), which becomes subak when pronounced in Korean. It was not a specific style or school of martial arts, thus people guess that taekkyeon (an actual style of martial art) may have been included in "subak."
2. Although Hwang Kee and other teachers of the kwans claimed to have learned Chinese arts, this is unlikely just looking at the techniques/curriculum; language also clearly shows close adherence to Japanese martial culture, not Chinese. (E.g. "-kwan" as school name, "-do" as style name, "hyung" as form, etc. are all from Japan.) We also all know that the initial forms taught were all just from Japanese karate.
3. Similarly claims to have learned taekkyeon are also unlikely as well, as we can see today that taekkyeon has a very different flavor and method. At best, maybe as children they saw some people doing it, which left an impression on them.
4. "Tang" literally means Tang dynasty, but in the Japanese sense it was used to mean China (or just foreign, including even Korea). So "tangsoodo" or "karatedo" in the old way of writing basically meant "Chinese martial art."
Thus in a roundabout way, taekwondo is a weird style of kungfu, which was infused and changed by the local cultures which it was imported to.
Shaolin-type kungfu (China) -> Shurite karate (Okinawa) -> Shotokan karate (Japan) -> Tangsoodo (Korea) -> government-meddled Taekwondo (Korea)
Even though I'm doing MMA now, I'm not forgetting my Taekwondo roots
The origin of Taekwando and Tang Soo Do are in Karate introduced by the Japanese. I studied both TKD and Karate Do. Tkd is simply Korean Karate. The forms taught originally came from Shotokan as well has the bulk techniques.
Yes but Tang Soo Do isn't simply just a modified Shotokan. TSD has a lot of influences in it and TKD isn't the same as TSD. They all evolved from mixed roots. Shotokan is a very big part of TSD's foundation yes, but it's just the only influential factor or root art.
@@ArtofOneDojo : Taekwando and Tang Soo Do share the same root. The difference between the two originally was more political then style. I trained in TKD (itf) (several years intensely)and later Tang Soo Do(just a few months admittedly) and of course there are differences that have come about over time. My point is Katate is Karate. Where ever it went Karate took on a local flavor, but lets not gloss over the facts. Karate was born in Okinawa and spread to Korea, Japan, and later to the West. The Koreans hate the Japanese due to their occupation, and as such don't want to admit TKD and TSD true origin.
My point was there is more than just Shotokan in it. It still has a mix of influences to the point it's become it's own thing. Arts evolve and take on different characteristics from root arts.
@@ArtofOneDojo : I agree with and am not trying to fight with you. However I remember studying TKD and reading a lot of none sense about how it was a direct descendant sobuk and the other obscure martial arts. Then later training in Karate do, I realized the connection. After reading the actual modern history of Korean martial arts, and knowing the history of the country( my education is in History); I came to understand the political an cultural reasons why Koreans down play Karate. Now every teacher puts his stamp on what they teach. That's why we have different styles, and Tang Soo do/TKD are simply Korean styles of Karate.
Karate came from Chinese kungfu white crane style
I studied Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do! Great to know more history.
Korean martial arts history gets into some very murky waters. Essentially, TKD came into being formally out of South Korea's desire to have it's own distinct art. Basically what the government wanted to do was to nationalize the kwans all under one banner. Some schools went along, some didn't. The kwans that didn't continued to practice Tang Soo Do, or one if its' slight variants. For the first few years, the only difference between Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do was a name change. In later years new hyungs were created for TKD and new kicking techniques were incorporated. But originally, TSD and TKD were the exact same thing, the only difference being five letters. TKD as it exists today is really a modern incarnation. There's very little ancient about it.
I don't think there is much murky stuff going on there. Their marital arts derive from the Japanese equivalents of 70 years ago. Although due to heavy nationalism and revisionism they now claim that it was actually they who taught Japanese those arts. Madness.
@@joewillson3454 You believe fake news created by the Japanese.
There is no Korean who claims that Koreans taught Musul to the Japanese at that time.
However, Kyokushin Karate was created by Koreans.
It also says so in the Japanese version of Wikipedia.
Taekwondo is one of the best supplemental martial arts to practice. As a Muaythai fighter, taekwondo helps me a lot on stability, flexibility and speed.
TKD was a modern amalgamation of the soup of martial arts that existed in Korea after the Korean War. That includes all sorts of influence.
Mostly Shotokan Karate and some wushu styles. Taekkyon is not a martial art, its a peasant game akin to British Shin-kicking game.
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Taekyeon kicks are basically the kicking technique adopted by most martial arts. Karate and Chinese martial arts didn't have modern kicks until Korean martial artists influence. Check out karate or kungfu films before Korean influence. It's night and day.
@@trex1448 That's where they got you. Modern TKD kicks influenced modern Teakyeon presentation. Only one grandpa who knew "Teakyeon" survived, he was 80 years old and could only do basic steps and lift his leg to the waist level..so then..tell me, where do those acrobatic break-dancing Hollywood kicks come from? They were crossed with TKD to boost TKD's historical claims and to have Teakyeon demonstrations as a sample of a "real" thing. Next time don't claim about "stupidest thing you ever heard" without doing some research first.
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 you're talking about a teacher with actual formalized lineage. Taekyeon kicks were ubiquitous in folk culture. You don't need lessons from a professional to know how to play basketball. Go look at early Bruce Lee movies before he learned TKD kicks. Its a very clear point in martial arts history when everyone starts doing Korean kicks.
@@trex1448 Believe what you want, many Koreans believe that they invented Chinese characters and taught Japanese how to make Katana, so have at it. If that "teacher" has formalized "lineage", where are the documents? where is the proof? Why South Korea has so many re-packaged Japanese and Chinese styles under Korean names with 5000 year old "korean" lineages? While North Korea has only General Choi's TKD?
Business, soft power, and tourism that's why.
Great stuff! Many thanks :)
With all due respect sir, well done!! Cool video 😁😉.
So, the "Three kingdoms" theory of TKD is completely unfounded. When Japanese arrived & conquered in Korea (1910) and even in Josun dynasty, there is little to no records of Subak, and Taekkyon is moreso a folklore art.
Modern Taekwondo's origins include Shotokan, Quan Fa, Shudokan, Shito Ryu and Taekkyon, somehow mixed together and developed over time, especially from 1950s-1970s.
Well done though, this video is quite an accurate description and I am impressed that you portrayed the truth of the Kwans & kwan unification. So many schools (Including the Kukkiwon & ITF) tell the myth about Taekwondo being an ancient art of Korean warriors etc.
Peace man, I just subscribed to your channel. Awesome videos! 👍👏👏👏
Not exactly a folklore art, but certainly obscure... But, as a Taekkyon practitioner for 32 years now, I have yet to see anything resembling Taekkyon in TKD, Tangsoodo, or any other post-occupation art- which creates a plainly visible, if not metaphorical question mark regarding all these arts which claim they incorporated Taekkyon into them.
I will be sharing more info with Mr. Dan in the near future.
All founders of the Korean arts deserve credit and respect for their works, trying to restore the cultural mess the Japanese left them. Can you imagine?
@@docbohemian1328 Koreans are Lucky, thanks to the Japanese they have many new "traditional" Korean martial arts such as TKD(shotokan), Kumdo(kendo), hapkido(Aikido), Tangsoodo(Karate). Etc.
Thank you for the succinct and illustrative history!
Wow amazing vedio this is what I was searching for as iam taekwondo black belt iwant to know the origin of taekwondo.
I am a black belt and I love the history very informative great to learn more about the art and how it came to be 🥋
Great and informative video! I'm glad you took over this channel. You've been doing a great job since.
Just a question though...would you also be covering the "History of" Kenpo and other Martial Arts styles? I always love video formats for learning history and would love to see your telling of it. Thank you. =]
I will be yes. I have a long list of topics I would like to do for this channel, and that includes several more videos like this one cover art, or art founders. Do you prefer it be in the same format as this video, or one that is told mainly from interviews (similar to my JuJutsu episode)? Since our videos are fairly new I'm trying a wide range of different videos to see what sticks and see what people would like to see :) Thank you so much for your support!
Art of One Dojo I'd be more okay with videos like this one since we can mainly only interview other instructors in the art compared to the founders of the beginning of said art.
True but many instructors know a lot of history about the art if we can find the right school. I am fortunate enough to be in an area where there are MANY martial arts schools of many variations close enough to explore, so I will probably include interviews when I find a great school with great historical knowledge as well as more videos in this format :)
Art of One Dojo That sounds like a good plan to me. =] Keep up the good work and thank you for such great Martial Arts content!
I see lots of politics getting discussed, but as a white round eye American I think you all are awesome. Taekwondo, karate, Muay Thai, Kung Fu, it's all fuckin awesome.
I do taekwondo and it is known For it’s kicks But it also has cool punches so yeah
Wow 5 year olds are better at taekwondo than spelling. I aint finna pick a fight wit a toddler here soon. 😨😰
I study Taekwondo in Tijuana,Mexico and i wasn't aware of the 5 founder's thats interesting to know where my Taekwondo knowledge comes from, im from the MEXICAN MOO DU KWAN ASOCIATION
I love watching your videos its like watching an episode of the History channel but all about Martial Arts. I find myself sad at the end of these videos because you leave me wanting more information. I feel like Johnny 5, need input!
I decades ago have a background in TKD having studied formally two different schools of TKD back in the late 80's through the mid 90's, disclaimer I've only formally graded to Green Tip level (one of those took me two attempts) but have twice completed the Green Belt program, both times the instructors said they couldn't see me not getting my Belt and started me on the blue belt program. I came back just after Y2K informally for a bit, but the over focus on Sport and leg power kicks (past training had bean more well rounded with Hand Strikes, Blocks & Tactical Kicking) saw me leave again before I'd committed to formally resuming my study.
lately I've bean thinking of returning to formal study since the informal study in general martial arts I've bean doing has started to get me back in to shape and more structure in my training would be good, TKD was going to be one of my arts I was considering strongly, most schools I've looked at I didn't gel with the Instructor (most of those being more TKD based kickboxing or part of a MMA program) and the rest where teaching "Olympic Foot Fencing" and not the TKD of my youth. Is this this the modern world of TKD or just my corner of it?
Finding a GOOD TKD school is very tough. They are definitely out there but you have to do some research so think it's more in the common world of TKD, at least in America. We have a chain of TKD schools out where with a HORRIBLE reputation and they are total McDojo, but we have good ones as well. You have to define what you want and visit these schools to find if it's the right fit.
jhoon rhee associated schools not bad they use old tang soo do techniques for self defense
I love Itf I've been practicing for years
Thanks for this. I’m practice and teach shotokan, so this was a history lesson for me, more so than taekwondo practitioners. Much like karate, it seems that taekwondo has many sub-styles. I have known a few a few practitioners, and their styles were different. One friend teaches in a local dojang and their pyang ahn forms resemble our heian katas.
Very informative! I'd suspected that the "Tang" in Tang Soo Do referred to the Tang dynasty, much like the original translation of Karate (Tang Hand, aka China Hand). Keep it up!
they're the same word. Tang soo do is how you read The characters for the "china fist" spelling of karate. Likewise Kong soo do was an alternate name used by some schools that would be the korean reading of karate as " empty hand".
Thank you!
Tang soo do has the same meaning of Karate " China hand". When Karate was introduced to Japan the characters were changed to mean empty handed
tang soo do means way of china hand master hwang kee was founder i studied it for 10 years
See also, on the taekwondo wiki: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/taekwondo/images/6/6e/Early_Names_of_TKD.png/revision/latest?cb=20170204225943
It should also be noted that there is a major difference in technique styles between what we will generalize as ITF style and WTF style TKD.
General Choi was a military man, and so in ITF style you find much more use of the hands, more kicking with one foot still on the ground, and kicking with the ball of the foot, as if one was wearing a heavy combat boot style footwear.
WTF or Kukkiwon style was really marketed and developed as a sport, and so uses less hand techniques, more jumping flashy kicking, and kicks that strike with the top of the foot, as these look more interesting in tournament settings.
6:00 Great historical break down on TKD, my art! (WTF/Kukkiwon).
Even my style is WT
your input on General Choi Hong Hi was the nice version of what S. Korea did to him. Also, Won Kuk Lee learned Shotokan while in Japan at the highest level a Korean could learn in Japan, and from Gichin and Gigo Funakoshi, and when he returned to Korea he did open his Kwan Chung Do Kwan which is where General Choi Hong Hi was a student
Having studied and been graded in both Taekwondo and Karate, I still enjoy both both but the cult like devotion to Gen Choi from ITF practitioners to be honest grates on me, respect him by all means for his drive and accomplishments but.........in saying this I believe a lot of changes he made to techniques from his initial Karate training was simply to be perverse and make it "different" , the sine wave is also a big example of this, dropping into a technique is nothing new but the exaggerated movements introduced later into the system even surprised his senior instructors with many reputedly telling him its not working and him apparently admitting this but unable to put the genie back into the bottle so to speak, his books are quite an interesting reading into both the man and Korean history, one book (which is listed above) I thoroughly recommend is "A Killing Art: The Untold History of Taekwondo" ....I mentioned it as a good read a few years ago and was told "if you want to keep training here don't mention that book to the students".......
I actually put "A Killing Art" as one of the reference and recommended links in the description :)
It's interesting about the Sine Wave motion. I remember my instructor going over it during one class, but never went over it again. It explained through when doing the horse stance. I think it was we started learning the Do-San form when my instructor talked about Sine Wave. Maybe it it's just me, but the doing the motion didn't appear to be exaggerated as much as generating the amount of power. And with the Sine Wave motion appears in many of the techniques in each of the forms, it just never appeared exaggerated to me.
@@ghost7524 I started the sinewave in 1987 after our group joined the ITF ,I always thought it bullshit from the start,it has no possible combat application,the again neither do the patterns as a whole.
@@scarred10 I could possibly see the Sine Wave motion as a way to generate extra/more power into a technique. The Sine Wave motion isn't any different than other types of motions that are supposed to generate power.
The forms... I get what you are saying, I really do. But, they are just a way to help a student learn techniques and movements. After you learn then, why can it be that the student learns to adapt what was learn in a form in a particular situation?
@@ghost7524 the sine wave is different, it doesn't work as well as the normal methods of generating power and is entirely unworkable in combat,that what martial arts are about or else wed all be doing ballet.As for the patterns they're a complete waste of training time,nothing you learn in them can ever be applied to combat,unlike shadow boxing and shadow wrestling with are drilling the exact same things you already know works in a live situation. All training should be related to what happens in a fight or self defense,you work backwards from the fight to construct drills and scenarios based on reality.99% of schools dont do that.
This is a good video in an incredible video I just wish I could have stayed in my original karate class back in 2011 but taekwondo is really amazing and it can be very effective when you use it the right way and the street fight or any other way it's all about learning the way of the martial arts that you truly want to learn the most 🥋🇰🇷🙏😌🙏🇰🇷🥋
I'M 8th DAN in Taekwondo Yun Moo Kwan (complete, powerful martial TKD, not the horrible "dance competition" of nowadays), which original master was Chung Sang Sup. Here appears as Ji Do Kwan, which was a branch-division from the Yun Moo Kwan. My master was a Korean, Choi Sung Nam, that already passed away.
I did a little Moo Duk Kwan in 1967 at the Ft. Dix New Jersey Army base. I had just started Shotokan Karate in 1966 before being drafted in March 1967. I found Moo Duk Kwan to be very similar to the Shotokan that I had started training in via Shotokan Karate of America.
So apparently my TDK school in Pretoria is the first one in Ontario! So ya cool! The founder was Master Raymond Sandison! It was one of the first to be apart of the W.T.F! So ya really cool. Edit: the one in Pretoria isn't the first one in Ontario that honor belongs to Toronto
I really respect your videos
I practice TKD. On a normal basis we do plenty of hand stikes/boxing in my school. Because it's part of the art. Yes competition has parameters. Doesn't mean people who study the art do not know how to use their fists
And of course yes. A martial artist who want to go further should cross train when they can I. Different schools and arts
I'm a 1st Dan in traditional TKD, meaning the dojang I went to (although its a WTF dojang) isn't focused on the sport version but rather combat and self defense. Also, unlike sport TKD we learn the proper hand techniques and blocks as well as take downs from Hapkido (even us black belts have BJJ in our curriculum). It was to my understanding that traditional Tae Kwon Do was created from Shotokan Karate, because of, as you said, the Japanese occupation of Korea. Everything else was made up by the Korean government. BTW I don't know the name of specific style of TKD I know, I asked my master who's a born and raised South Korean and for some reason he got a bit annoyed and said "this is just Tae Kwon Do" lol he's a good man though.
Tkd its only one and its tkd itf which is the only one style who was created but as a result of politics was created wtf which is not a martial art its a sport as well as part of the itf who practice it as a sport so far the only one great grand master who practice and teach the real martial strategi its great grand master kwang duk chun who was a student of general choi he still teaching and he is a 10 degree.
tony k I’m lucky that I learned and know traditional TKD, it’s unfortunate others can’t say the same
Incubus do you do kata there or is it just straight to the point?
Incubus what the heck does WTF means
A name is soho bock and also tae beuck
Very nice, Sensei.
Wait for longer video with ITF & WT Pic and video.
Very cool. As a master in Tang Soo Do, id like to say that there are still versions of Tae Kwon Do that mirror very closely the art of Tang Soo Do. More specificity American Tang Soo Do (which I teach and I have seen you partner with a known practitioner of) is more closely related to Tae Kwon Do then some styles.
The sparring you showed however looked to be very much WTF, which is NOTHING like Tang Soo Do fundamentally and is very much sport. Their forms are done with very small stances, and their sparring basically as if they have no hands at all(because they don’t score points). Most people now days know this as the olympics have popularized it in a world wide way and that’s what people think of. There really isn’t a connection to Tang Soo Do and WTF (WT) Tae Kwon Do. Tang Soo Do maintains its roots in Shotokan and northern style Kung Fu (northern styles have more emphasis on high kicking, southern on low stances and hand techniques historically) primarily. WTF is based on exciting techniques and efficiency for sparring, not really grounded as a self defense system such as Tang Soo Do and other variants of Tae Kwon Do.
Thanks for the hard work that goes into your videos. It shows.
Tang Su Do is literally the translation of karate do but using the original kanji for the Tang dinasty. Funakoshi changed it to the Kara we know today to erase its Chinese origin.
The sparring in WTF TKD was really the most interesting thing from ITF/Chung Do Kwan sparring. Not having your hands/guards up. When I started studying WTF TKD, I was one of 3 people in the class that had ITF TKD training, so we would be the only ones during sparring that would have our guards up; Now, that's not to say that the WTF didn't have their guards up wither, just not nearly as much. But, I never doubted the power of WTF TKD. During my first sparring practice, I sparred with a student who was 3 gups below me, 5 inches taller and at least 60 pounds heavier. I did a left stepping forearm block to his spinning right roundhouse kick. Later I had to go to the ER after class because my left arm was hurting bad. Had X-rays done and it looked like I fractured my forearm, but it wasn't.
WTF sparring may look flashy, but there is power in it.
ghost7524 there is no doubt. The power is in the speed and looseness. Kicking Power in more traditional TKD is in the structure and pivot of the foot most often.
@@instructorlex8273 " Kicking Power in more traditional TKD is in the structure and pivot of the foot most often.
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Definitely what was taught by my ITF instructor and my WTF instructors too.
ghost7524 yes but the WTF kicks don’t have much pivot too often. The foot doesn’t pivot because the next kick is ready and the lack of a pivot gives it a head start. I call this the half pivot and teach to do less pivot when another kick coming quickly is the intention.
Great video would you like to say what are the techniques are used in subak
Great video, please make videos about these ridiculous "no touch martial arts" and why it exists and why a lot of misguided martial artists believe in it.
...you mean like George Dillman, and his "Chi ball" throw of energy? I've never seen his techniques ever work outside of the "Bible belt" of the U.S. ...maybe ya just gotta have faith in it. 😊
John Santiago, those martial arts exists because a man named akira toriyama created an anime called dragon ball
Origin of Taekwondo kick and Influence of Taekwondo kick on Karate and Kungfu
Choi Hong Hee created ITF Taekwondo which is original Taekwondo. So some people say Choi Hong Hee made Taekwondo kick. But it is not true. Choi Hong Hee included Taekwondo kick in forms when he made ITF Taekwondo forms but did not make Taekwondo kick. Taekwondo kick mainly came from Taekkyeon. Early Taekwondo masters who were related to Taekkyeon were Lee Won Kuk, Hwang Kee and Choi Hong Hee.
Lee Won Kuk went to Japan to study in 1926 and learnt Karate from Gichin Funakoshi when he was studying in Chuo University and came back to Korea in January 1944. In August 1944, Lee Won Kuk saw an old man who dug 3 holes on ground with 2 meters distance as triangle shape and was doing kicks stepping the holes in turn and jumping at Jangchungdan Park in Seoul. Later, Lee Won Kuk met him again several times and found out the kicks the old man did was Taekkyeon. Some people say Lee Won Kuk also saw Taekkyeon at An Kuk Dong in Seoul when he was young. In September 1944, Lee Won Kuk founded Chung Do Kwan and taught Karate and Kicks from Taekkyeon. The kicks became Taekwondo kick. Chung Do Kwan was first martial art school in Taekwondo history. According to interview of Eom Woon Kyu who was a student of Lee Won Kuk and a former Kukkiwon president, spinning back kick, spinning hook kick, flying side kick etc were used in sparring before Korean War[1950]. It means same kicks to Taekwondo kick already existed in 1940s before Choi Hong Hee created original Taekwondo in 1954.
Hwang Kee said in Soo Bahk Do textbook published in 1970 “At the end of Joseon Dynasty, there existed an art called Taekkyeon, which is used as pure kick techniques. Among currently surviving elderly people, there are actually a lot of people who learnt it and saw it. As aspect of techniques of our martial art, specially as kicking techniques, it gave us a great deal of lessons and became mother art.” The martial art Hwang Kee created was Soo Bahk Do, not Taekwondo. But Soo Bahk Do kick was same to Taekwondo kick because martial art schools shared kick techniques together in early days of Taekwondo history.
Choi Hong Hee, creator of ITF Taekwondo, said in Taekwondo textbook published in 1972 “Taekwondo was created as modern and scientific martial art by comprehensively researching Taekkyeon which used feet and Karate which mainly depended on technique of hands.”
Traditional Karate had front kick, crescent kick, side kick and roundhouse kick. Roundhouse kick was done with ball of foot, not top of foot and does not appear in traditional kata. Front kick was available for high kick and jump kick. But side kick and roundhouse kick was used as body kick. Traditional Kungfu had front kick and crescent kick.
Taekwondo form[poomsae] was influenced by Karate form[kata]. But Karate kick was influenced by Taekwondo kick. Lee Won Kuk, founder of Chung Do Kwan, went to Japan again in 1951, taught martial art and came back to Korea in 1961. There is a photo of Lee Won Kuk and his students which was took in Japan on November 4, 1954 when third belt rank test was held.
New kick techniques of Karate, specially Shotokan Karate, began to appear from the late 1950s. For example, spinning back kick and flying side kick appeared in the late 1950s. It is almost no doubt that new kick techniques of Karate were influenced by kick of Lee Won Kuk who stayed in Japan about 10 years and taught martial art[Karate and Korean kick] there. And more kicks were influenced in 1960s when Taekwondo became famous world wide for kicks like flying kicks, spinning kicks and high kicks. Specially Kyokushin Karate looks influenced more probably because Kyokushin Karate was created by Korean in 1964. And sparring rule of Kyokushin Karate is almost same to Taekwondo. For example, punch to face is banned but kick to face is allowed. Only difference is Kyokushin Karate fights without any protection and allows low kick.
Some people say Taekwondo kick was influenced by Kungfu kick, specially northern style. But it is not true. Some people will think traditional Kungfu and modern Kungfu are same. But they are not same as aspect of kick techniques. Bruce Lee was first Chinese who used diverse kick techniques. Shaolin monks are not first ones. It means Kick techniques of modern Kungfu was influenced by Bruce Lee very possibly. Bruce Lee learnt Taekwondo kick from Jhoon Rhee, known as Father of American Taekwondo. So it is more like Kungfu kick was influenced by Taekwondo kick rather than Taekwondo kick was influenced by Kungfu kick. Chuck Norris who was Bruce Lee’s friend learnt Taekwondo kick when he was in Korea. Action movies also were influenced by Taekwondo kick due to Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris.
Savate and Capoeira had similar kicks to Taekwondo but were unknown martial arts in East Asia until 1960s. Some people say Gigo Funakoshi[Yoshitaka Funakoshi] developed new kick techniques or accepted new kick techniques from Savate. But new kicks in Karate appeared after more than decade from Gigo Funakoshi’ death in 1945. It is said Gigo Funakoshi wrote Karate textbook with his father, Gichin Funakoshi. The Karate text was called Karate Do Nyumon and published in 1943. There is back kick in the Karate textbook. The back kick is backward kick, not spinning back kick. But some people misunderstood the back kick as spinning back kick because spinning back kick is often called back kick as short name. Probably misunderstanding of the back kick made some people develop legendary story of Gigo Funakoshi as creator of new kick techniques.
What Choi Hong Hee said about Karate can be important, if he did not lie, because Choi Hong Hee learnt Shotokan Karate at the period from 1938 to 1943 in Japan when Yoshitaka Funakoshi had leading role in Shotokan Karate as a principal instructor. Choi Hong Hee said Shotokan Karate was a martial art which mainly depended on techniques of hands. What Choi Hong Hee said disproves the legendary story of Yoshitaka Funakoshi as creator of new kick techniques. And karate book[Karate Do Nyumon] published in 1943 by Yoshitaka Funakoshi with his father, Gichin Funakoshi, does not have new kick techniques which are often used in modern sports Karate. This book proves Choi Hong Hee did not lie.
Hwang kee was my grand master... my teachers were not allowed to award me my belts only a piece of tape on my belt as to my ranking per belt.. in order to get my next belt i had to meet with grand master hwang kee with some buddist monks in nyc in a private large room every year for the next 14 years.. i was hand picked by my grand master.. due to natural ability, speed and precision...my training was EXTREME mixed with asian philosophy(train the mind) I have competed in many tournaments (full contact) and closed door tournaments..(undefeated)... i also have to say this ... I AM ASHAMED FOR WHAT TKD, TANG SO DO AND SOO BAHK DO HAS BECOME..ITS A KICKING FRENZY ..LITTLE TO NO HAND TECH IN TOURNAMENTS!! And most will achieve a black belt in 5 years or less...it took me 10 years of extreme training to achieve my first degree black belt! And yes i am old now.. all i can do is teach...(im south korean)
Much respect for your experience, Richard! -- Todd
I completely agree, the Korean striking arts have been watered down for money. I admire your previous experience.
The tape is called a tip, you usually need 2 tips before you can move up a belt
@@jairajlallaramnauth8317.. three tips
Damn, respect, I want to go to South Korea one day, I have been training Taekwondo for a few months now, I am an orange belt, but tbh I am not that good I just want to get better, I love Taekwondo and I hope to continue it for a long time, God bless you.
There's a lot more to it's story than this. Taekwondo, Way of the Had and Foot, roots were originally the common soldier's fighting system which was partially to blame for it being lost. Archaeologists found shards depicting what they thought were dance rituals but then years later someone discovered it wasn't dancing moves but rather fighting exercises. As much as possible of this system was resurrected but most was lost. The gaps in the evidence was eventually filled using other techniques to create modern day Taekwondo. Sorry for not having names and the such, my notes for a book of the histories of Martial Arts I was researching to write is buried somewhere under piles of notebooks
Some people may watch this and just days later continue to say TKD is only kicking and isnt a complete martial art.
it was never only kicking but the olympics portray that message.However,it is not complete,its very ineffective as a way of training if combat is your goal.
scarred10 I disagree. As a striking martial art it is complete. The problem is proper training and using it in live sparring. There’s video of a sparring session on a UA-cam channel called “hard2hurt” where you can see a guy using Kung fu rather effectively. Now the kung fu guy did have a reach advantage but he was effectively using techniques from kung fu and using Kung fu almost exclusively. Yes some martial arts are mostly or absolutely useless but a lot of them just require proper training and practice using the techniques on resisting opponents. I do think mma is more effective in the sense that it takes less time for it to begin to work well for you.
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Great job as always!
Greg job, great topic keep up the good work Dan
Nice overview and introduction to TKD and the Korean arts. There is plenty more to uncover for anyone wishing to learn more. The Korean arts have a long, complicated and sometimes controversial history.
Pretty good brief coverage on taekwondo history, because of politics the story differs alot with the different organizations as to what really happened, pretty hard to know which one to believe for us born in a different time, however this version of events was pretty much what my instructor passed onto me aswell so good to know there is consistency with what really happened back then, from my studies general Choi also staged a revolution while being forced to fight for the Japanese empire was caught out and was imprisoned until the Korea japan ordeal was over, I'm on the 2nd book of his memoirs of his life as we speak. good video :)
The illustrations of the manuals at the begining of your video are from Korean manuals that copied the material from a Chinese manual by Ming general Qj Jiguang
Right on the money, Korean martial arts didn't exist before 1950s. They had a good archery but that's it. no records of Korean martial systems exist in History, not in Japanese, Korean, nor Chinese. Subak was a name for Chinese system, ssirum is just wrestling not a martial art used for war, Teakkyun is quite new and it was a peasant game akin to British shin-kicking, it didn't have hand techniques nor weapon use.
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 absolutely, Korean nationalism gets in the way when looking at this topic. Original martial arts were weapon based, empty hand was a last resort and used for basic training
I studied in South Korea for 4 years. TKD actually was derived from a martial art called Kang Duk Won. Nowadays KDW is under the umbrella fo the greater World Tae Kwon Do federation but is practiced as a separate martial art. It is often referred to as "Kang Duk Won Tae Kwon Do". The similarities are very apparent in nearly all corresponding forms. KDW originally came form Okinawa via a Korean who served as an imperial guard for the King of Okinawa. After the King was deposed by the Japanese the man in question returned to Korea. Originally KDW had only 5 forms or Pinans as they were referred to in Okinawa Karate. At some point several students of a local Korean martial art instructor were chasing a fellow student down a street to punish him for being repeatedly tardy to class. The man witnessed this and took pity on the harassed student and quickly defeated all the aggressive students. Those students returned battered to their teacher who sought out the man in order to get his side of the story as to what had transpired. After finding the man the Korean teacher was very impressed with his character and skills and sought a collaboration between the two. The Korean instructor taught a style from China (Kung Fu). The resulting martial art would be Kang Duk Won. The 5 original forms or pinions served as the material up to black belt while the post black belt forms were from the Kung Fu school. KDW predates TKD and TKD forms basically are more stylized versions of the KDW forms and this is readily apparent when they are compared side by side.
This makes me want to make a video detailing the history so there aren't so many misinformed or nationalistic videos out there. And to include the bits of information many that get it somewhat correct miss. And to pronounce the Korean words correctly.
You've said this twice now. Care to elaborate constructively?
Art of One Dojo I assume by the "twice" you meant the comment for Daniel. Much of what you have is nearly correct. It still has a bit of nationalistic views and feels like it was sourced from a Soo Bak Do artist. It's hard to properly cite things with Korean history. Much of it is changed, seemingly every ten years. And much of it could be seen as hate speech towards the Koreans. And because of the hate, much of the actual facts have been tainted as "Japanese racist propoganda." Especially anything written or said about the two nations between 2007-2011 when there were several internal immigration issues in Japan.
While much of the hate out there was created by the Japanese history revisionist,[1] much of the "uriginal" and "koreationist" hate is valid. Most of it thanks to the Kukkiwon lying about being 2,000 years old and denying their Karate roots. Some of it thanks to Hapki Yusul and it's splinter arts. The rest of the hate is due to ignorance. Either because history books have a Japanese Nationalistic view clear of past sins, or because the Japanese fail to see why Korea would read Chinese characters in Korean.[2]
[1]Revisionist as in they deny the raping of Nan King, comfort women, the oppression of Korea, China, the Philippines, and other war crimes.
[2]Korea has arts like Judo and Kendo, but they read and pronounce them in Korean. Judo becomes Yudo, but it's still Judo. Kendo become Gumdo, but it's still Kendo. Just as the Japanese read Bajiquan as Hakkyokuken. And when pointed this out, the racist Japanese(there aren't many of them) claim that the Koreans should still read in in Japanese. Calling the Korean language the language of cockroaches. Blatant racism.
-Tang Soo Do was the Korean pronunciation of the old Kanji used for Karate that meant "China Hand." Hwang Kee later changed his art's name to Moo Duk Kwan Soo Bahk Do when the Kukkiwon admitted they lied about being 2,000 years old. He did this to protect his copyright over his version. Moo Duk Kwan being the school, Soo Bahk Do being the art itself.
-Moo Duk Kwan is the name of Hwang Kee's school. His style is Soo Bak Do.
-Kong Soo Do was the Korean pronunciation of the current Kanji used by Funakoshi for Karate, "Empty Hand."
-Subak(Soo Bak) is another name for Takkyeon to many historians who try to keep to the Nationalistic lie while also leaving room for plausible deniability. The real truth is it was another word to refer to martial arts. Much like Gwon Beup, the actual historical term. Currently, the only person to call their art Subak is the same man who invented the term. Hwang Kee calls his art Soo Bak Do.
-Gwon Beup was a term used to refer to the arts found in the "Manual of New Military Tactics." A Chinese fighting manual used during the Joseon era. It was also used to reference Okinawa Te family styles that referred to their art as Kempo, such as Seiyu Oyata's RyuKyu Kempo/Ryu-Te. Not to be confused with George Dillman's fantasy bastardization.
-Tae Soo Do was a working title for what we would know now as Taekwon-Do. It later became the name of a McScheme in Hwaorang-Do.
-Taekkeon is a harder thing to dispell. It was certainly a folk dance of some kind, and likely did look like modern Taekkeon. The guy who "brought the martial art" back had the backing of historians at the time who helped him shape the fib to match a nationalistic narrative. This one gets the benifit of the doubt. But only because the documents proving it to be a fake had been "lost" to fit the nationalistic agenda.
-It wasn't mentioned here, but Hwaorangdo is another popular lie that piggybacked off the 2,000 year old lie that the Kukkiwon use to tell. At one point, all literature on the Hwaorang pointed to them being pretty women. This was changed during the late 40s to mean "flowering men." And other narratives were added on to make them out to be Korea's Samurai. Except, Chinese literature still lists them as "beautiful women."
Joo Bang Lee took advantage of this lie to claim his Hapkido was in actuality the secret art of the Hwaorang. Him pushing out this narrative gained him the support from many historians who prefer the pretty lie over the ugly truth. And if not for he and Henry(his son)'s McDojang practices, the lie may have never have been broken. Outside of students of the Shanghai University of Sport and other Universities reading about the hwaorang. And Japanese who wish to push out their racism who cite these facts with half truths.
-Haedong Gumdo is another art not mentioned here that took advantage of the lies set up by the other organizations. A movie was later made detailing the history of the made up master the two founders of Haedong created. And if not for their greed in wanting the royalties, no one would have known they lied. Their Haedong was different enough from the Kendo(Gumdo) practiced in Korea to be believable. And the moves matched up with the grass cutter techniques found in the "Manual of New Military Tactics."
-The only Korean arts to exist at that time was archery. And it was not banned. Martial arts in Korea was looked down upon by the Confucius based society as early as the 15th century. That's why during the Joseon era, the "Manual of New Military Tactics," referred to as Gwon Beup, was brought in from China when they had to defend themselves. *This is important to keep in mind whenever a Korean art state's their founder left for China for some reason related. See point below.
-General Choi, Hwang Kee, and many others studied Karate. Some studied Shorin, some Goju. The majority studied Shotokan. And for those who left to China like Hwang Kee, it had nothing to do with them teaching Korean arts. He left to escape conscription into the army. Korean citizens were considered Japanese at that time. And Japan used the Koreans as bullet sponges in the infantry.
-Each Kwan you listed are Karate schools. Most of them Shotokan schools. A Kwan is just a school, not an art. Calling them "Tang Soo Do" is the same as calling them "Karate Do."(See above explanation.) The schools were united under one name as Taekwon-Do. The man responsible for a majority of the uniting, General Choi, was booted because he exerted too much control over the oligarchy control and was thought to be a "Junshi" North Korea sympathizer. (You got most of this correct. But the history definitely seemed to come from a Soo Bak Do source. Every source has some bias, from Korean history to Japanese.)
-When TKD first came to America it was just called Karate (which it was at the time.) When Rhee came, he propagated the fib of the art being over 2,000 years old knowing full well Choi made up that lie. A nationalistic lie told in an effort to sound "less boastful" according to the Kukkiwon. In truth, they did so because they were ashamed of their "national treasure" being Japanese in origin. And they wanted to sell their art to a Western audience. This lie, on top of their quickness to promote people in rank to propagate the art, is why the art was and is so popular today.
-The ITF is just as guilty of telling tall tales to promote their art. Such as the story of a young Choi seeing a man defend himself with kicks alone. The main site now has a consistent lie, but if you read earlier biographies and autobiographies, you find discrepancies in Choi's stories. Most of his lies being about his martial history. Also note that in his history, Taekkeon was only available in scroll form. A scroll that mysteriously disappeared when people asked for it to be produced. And now it's an art that can be found rather easily. It should also be noted that the 2,000 year lie was created by Choi.
-The 2,000 year lie is still being spread in some schools. As plagueful as the lie about a white belt becoming so dirty it becomes black. Not every school pushes out this fib, and a majority of Kukkiwon seats admit the truth now. But you also have people trying to claim that karate came from TKD, the opposite of what happened. People like that do not help to dispel the "Uriginal" and "Koreation" problem propagated in 2007. Same year the Kukkiwon updated their site, when Hondai pushed out a pure clone of a Honda product (who are already seen as a clone thanks to the names,) and the same time as the Korean diaspora in Japan debate occurred. When Racists wanted Koreans and those with Korean ancestry to leave. many pointing to the Yakuza to fake their reasoning. Same issues the USA is facing now with immigration and racial background. or what Europe is facing with the Muslim community.
In Korean language, the letter K is pronounced with a G. Blame this one to early Romanization. Chinese and other languages have the same issue thanks to transliterist being overly complicated. Taekwon-Do would be pronounced Teh Gwon Do.
HsinHao Wang -- I don't know who you are but you have a good understanding of Korean Martial Art history. Thank you for being honest and knowledgeable. As you pointed out, Korean Martial Arts began in 1905 with the Japanese invasion of Korea.Your information is nearly if not entirely correct. The Koreans have made up lies about their art forms and styles and perpetuated the lies about them for many years. I have been aware for many years now about what you have said and you even went further than what I know. I started learning Japanese Martial Arts in the late 1950's. I had a very good foundation in Judo, Kendo, and Jiu Jitsu at the "J" Center in Gardena, California when I discovered Moo Duk Kwan then on to Tang Soo Do. I trained in Moo Duk Kwan then on to Tang Soo Do in the 1960's until I went into the military. I continued with the military style of Tang Soo Do with the Korean, White Horse Army Division, in South Viet Nam. There I received my first Black Belt. I was always interested in martial art history but all of my teachers could not speak English so I did not hear of these lies until I went to Iran. By then I had another Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do (Tested at the Kuk Ki Won) then a Black Belt in Kuk Sool Won, Kung Jung Mu Sool, Association. Beginning in the 1970's, when I was in Iran, I started to hear and learn all about the made up lies about Korean martial arts from the Masters themselves. They all were eager to tell on their rivals while keeping their lies alive. I learned about the politics and how money drives many of the martial art organizations. I got disgusted with this kind of crap and backed away from the politics, from the lies, and from the money aspects of martial arts. To this day, I am glad I did. The good news is that Korean Martial Arts has mature in to rich and effective Martial Arts surpassing the Japanese.
@Jon Heckendorf It's hard to piece a proper truth out of Korean martial arts because so many of the masters lied, bounced off each other's lies, and even had the South Korean government and historians backing them on some parts. And many of these lies have only surfaces within the past 20 years. And only in response to the Japanese racist nationalist wanting Koreans and Korean ancestors to leave Japan around 2006-2011. And stateside, in response to a fraud named Greg Park "ChosunNinja." And even then, only because of the growing landscape of the Internet.
Some of those lies are still being propagated and created. The biggest offenders right now being Hapkido splinter groups and some Kyuktooki(sports fighting) gyms.
Good idea. But also please do not claim General Choi invented Taekwondo...and please add in the Kung Fu influence as well as Judo influence of early Taekwondo along with the Karate.
Just passing by. I studied Tae Kwon Do (ITF, WTF), Hwa Rang Do, Hwarang Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, Kendo, Karate, Wushu, kick boxing, judo, jujitsu, ninjitsu, boxing, capoeira and Shaolin kung fu. Basically my whole life. I was fortunate to have trained under a master who has retired whom people claimed to be the father of Tae-Kwon-Do. He told me his instructor was the last remaining 10th degree holder ( not the one created by WTF, the original ), and his teacher of his instructor was the original founder of Tae-Kwon-Do. He lived in Japan in Okinawa. He trained under a Shaolin Monk who was Chinese. The master had two best students. One remained in Japan and took on a Japanese name. He founded Karate. The other returned to Korea and founded Tae-Kwon-Do.
And Kyokushin Karate was invented by a Korean. Both had influences on each side.
mas oyama took very little if anything from tkd,I dont even know if he trained in it,his main influence was goju ryu and muay thai which is it looks very different from shotokan and tkd.
Mas Oyama started with Shotokan Karate and then incorporated other Karate styles such as goju-ryu. He invented Kyokushin base even before Koreans invented Teakwondo...
Why he came to Japan? Why didnt he stay in korea and study tkd? Instead of learning pointless tkd he studied karate and muay thai and made one of the best martial arts of today.
@@Kyojuro___Rengoku TKD and teakkyun didnt exist in Korea at the time when Oyama was young. He learned several Karate styles in Japan and combined them.
Kyokushin Karate borrowed Taekwondo kick, probably by Oyama's son, not by Oyama. Before the year 1955 Taekwondo was created, Kyokushin Karate didn't use fancy kicks like round kick, spin kick, axe kick etc.
Mr. Dan does a great Job explaining the history of Tae Kwon Do in a very organized manner. Unfortunately, historical knowledge is very political and that heavily applies to Taekwondo. We will stumble to different historical versions of this art depending what school we come from. I am a witness of this since I have been trained in different styles of Taekwondo across two different countries.
Mr. Dan, I really like and appreciate your usage of sentence starters such as: "there's debate weather..", "it is believed that...", "claimed to have trained..." etc. This shows that those statements as possibilities and not as facts. This is definitely a video that I would share with my students as I would like them to keep an open mind about these historical events and not take "political sides".
Thank you, I appreciate this comment. So many martial arts are politicized and have multiple angles so I think it's important to acknowledge that there are often other viewpoints. :)
The person that teaches me taekwondo his teacher my teacher now someone that person that died in one of the founders of taekwondo tomorrow
Please do more videos on other martial arts. This was very cool.
ITKD mostly came from Shotokan. Yes it has little Kung Fu influence especially with Moo Duk Kwan. Koreans tried to improve upon Shotokan it and make a version they can call their own. It some ways it was improved and in others it wasn’t but in the end it became an explicit style of Korea.
in the UK, it was introduced by Grandmaster Rhee Ki-Ha (who is my grandmaster's grandmaster's grandmaster lol). as far as I know, ITF is the most popular here.
that's just for a bit of information on how is it over here, as it's a bit different to the US.