I wanted to take a minute and share with everybody my experience out on the trails this weekend in tug hill. I was having some problems with my suspension and out of nowhere Jesse rolled up on the trail and pulled right up to us. He immediately engaged in conversation and gave us very helpful advice with my XCR suspension. He even offered to adjust all the suspension trailside. After doing so, it made for a great riding for the rest of the weekend!. Who rolls up on a bunch of strangers and -15° temperatures and offers to help. Straight up great guy, with tons of knowledge and looking forward to following him on UA-cam. Thanks again!!
Greg!!! I was hoping you were going to check the channel out. Im happy to help and i hope what i did actually made the sled better. Trail side changes like that are tough but doable. Suspension is key to make your riding enjoyable and i really and glad i stopped and helped you out! Hopefully we run into one another again!
Bruce told me about this video and asked me to let him know how I felt about it. I called him and let him know but I wanted you to know that the video is very informative. When I riding with him I know he’s constantly thinking what can do to make this better. I also told him I would like to see videos where you guys are on different snowmobiles swapping and seeing what you guys like and don’t like. Also to other people reading this post, if you’re not happy with your sled, don’t just complain, reach out and ask Jesse or Bruce, they have a ton of knowledge.
This batch of videos I had audio issues. I got a new case and didn’t realize until after that It completely screwed my audio. I tried my best to help It but I know It sucks. Sorry about that!
Great video. Interesting to see that Bruce suggested more preload on the fronts. I took preload out of the front end to get the a-arms parallel with the ground. Took this advice from one of your older videos with the VR1. I have it dialed in pretty well. At this point I am just adjusting low speed on the fronts to keep it flat in the corners. I typically have the low speeds 2-4 clicks out from full soft. defiantly a different handling sled than my past 3 procross cats. Fun to learn a new chassis.
he does that to get the front of the track off the ground. Only reason i will be able to recue preload is becuae the spindles will be tall enough to keep the front of the track off the ground!
Man I Got behind on alot of videos... Can't sleep it's pouring RAINNNNN sucks!!!! As Always GREAT content 👌 the mad scientist Bruce just spitting out knowledge!! 👊
Great info! I'm excited to pick up my Assault this weekend. After sometime learning the sled this will definitely help me set up the suspension to my weight/riding style. On a previous video you mentioned how often a guy should have his shocks looked at but there wasn't an answer
Polaris sent out the Front Track Shocks on the 22XCR's with the spring tab up in-between the opening in the spring retainer and not down in the adjustment ring on the bottom of the Front Track shock, what is Bruce's explanation for this and what way should the springs be, tab up or tab down?
He says he has seen both. He has no idea why some show up on one and some the other way he said It doesn’t really matter. He likes putting them on the one way but he said that It won’t hurt anything
@@JESSEJAMES322 He likes putting them on what way? Tang up or down? It's supposed to be down from what I've seen, but functionally I agree I don't think it matters. Thanks
Picking my XCR 650/up on Thu. I will set to 3 and ride. Great info in the video. Suspension shock setup on mountain bikes is similar w lo/hi. Setting up any suspension requires set and ride, repeat.
Glad we could help and get you on the right track. Yes they are very similar in how to adjust. Suspension is also very select. What one person likes its not what someone else will like!
Once again guys great video. So I guess that means Me being 6-3 280lbs I’m looking at putting on extra heavy duty torsion springs when my xcr comes in.
110% would recommend the XHD springs. We actually pulled an XCR shock apart and the rebound is pretty show (very good thing with the XHD) springs so throw them on and see how It is!
Great video. I have changed my rear springs to heavy duty as suggested. That made a world of difference. My question is about the number of clicks on the front shocks. My front shocks have different numbers of available clicks. Is that normal or do I have defective shocks? One side has 10 clicks the other 14. 2022 VR1. Thanks
HD are a game changer. Not the total answer because valving is needed in the shocks but makes a huge differnece. I have never heard of that actually but they should be the same amount of clicks. Have you told your dealer this?
I am 225 ready to ride and i have about 10 pounds behind me on the tunnel .I have only ridden my 21 xc 650 110 miles and i had no bottoming at all with the blocks on high.I did start with all the clickers in all the way and the ski shocks were wat to stiff.The springs are screwed all the way out or as long as they can be .I started clinking the ski shocks out a bit at a time and im at 3 turns out from full stiff Ill play with it next outing.I am about 2 turns out from full in on the skid shocks and find it still stiff would i continue to adjust the clickers on the skid shocks or try the spring blocks softer ?
you are feeling theyre are still because your clickers are almost full stiff. having them that far in they become very rigid. i would back them out but they will become softer and then more prone to bottoming.
ok thank you .I macked them all out and then in from there 3 turns all the way around as per the video.I will try it and report back.I am 6-5" and 225 as i said .I have the supplied springs both on High .@@JESSEJAMES322
Great video! I’m finally picking up my XCR 850 early next week and I’m now concerned about changing the rear springs to the HD spring as I am north of 220lbs but wondering if you had a part number I can’t seem to find one. Thanks!
Great vid, i am on the fence with the XCR or the VR1. I would love to see a vid like this on the VR1. I am coming off a Axis's sled 850 Adventure. Love all about the sled but don't need all the power no more as we are now trail riders. Would love to see the differences between both. Thanks Paul Great Vid by the way
VR1 we have touched on many many times. SHocks have smaller shafts. only one compression adjustment. softer front ski springs. alla round will be a softer more plush ride. aside form all the hard parts that the XCR has that are beefier
this is just one video of many that we have on suspension. below is a link to the general set up that helps explain a ton of things and should answer all questions you have! ua-cam.com/video/eUDG1CGPHdk/v-deo.html
I have a 2022 VR1 137" sled. I put the HD springs in the rear as recommended and even turned up the adjustment block to hard and the rear is still soft. I am 190# and no extra luggage. When I sit on the sled the rear skid completely compresses. I have about 300 miles on the sled and the track isn't that loose where I need to tighten it up. Where can I get more rear spring pressure? The rear shock seems to be pretty oily where the clicker is, but that shouldn't affect the spring rate. Any suggestions?
so the springs can only help so much. the valving in the shocks need help. which we are testing set ups now but Bruce has a ton of notes and if you get him your rear shocks he will get them working properly. You also could have a dead (no nitrogen) shock in the rear. we have seen a few already
@@JESSEJAMES322thanks for the recommendation. I think you are correct that it’s dead as there is no resistance “dampening” and when I was adjusting the clicker, there was a lot of oil near the knob. How do I get a hold of Bruce to send my shock in to have him revalve it?
@@JESSEJAMES322 Thanks! I will contact Bruce after the ride season.....UPDATE- I took my rear shock to a nearby shock builder and the pressure was 50# low. After the charge and reinstalled it, the rear is 110% better now!!!! As I have gone on many forums, there are quite a few people that are saying that the charges on the rear skid shocks are low from Polaris. Hope my seals don't have a slow leak, I will keep my eye on it.
This batch of videos I had audio issues. I got a new case and didn’t realize until after that It completely screwed my audio. I tried my best to help It but I know It sucks. Sorry about that!
Yes eveyone. This batch of videos I had audio issues. I got a new case and didn’t realize until after that It completely screwed my audio. I tried my best to help It and adjust but I know It sucks. Sorry about that! Work in progress
Based on the video I can come down in the front shocks quite a bit more. This should help me turn better, than If I feel its to much ski pressure, I can alway find the happy medium with adjusting the center shock. Does that sound right Jesse?
Great Vid!! What should your rear sag be set to as a starting point? Meaning how much should the suspension compress when I sit on it. I Have been riding Pro-XC skids since 2016 and loved it. My 22 Assault just showed up finally, and am looking for a starting point for the rear. This may be in the manual but not picking her up until tomorrow lol.. Thanks
we really dont look at sag numbers to be honest. Many swear by them but we do not, Its all about feel. I would start everything on full soft and go from there. Also depending on how much yoiu weigh. If you tell me youre 250 id say get a set of HD rear springs to start and then go from there
Thank you for educating us again. I’m wondering if you can help me on something. Basically the Ride Command sucks in Maine. In Vermont all the clubs are under the state and are uniform in the numbering system and are all on the state map and are on the Ride Command. In Maine the state map has only the ITS state trails that connect areas and the club network is on their own maps. The infinite club maps are not easy to get depending on how big the club is. The state trails come out ok on the GPS and the club trails are basically non existent. Other GPS systems have everything. I have a 2015 Pro S with the first year in dash ride command. Is there anything Polaris can do or can I somehow download the information? You seem to be in a position with people that might be able to address this. I’d appreciate it thanks
Great videos, much appreciated! At 225 with gear, would you recommend HD or X HD torsion springs? I'm a very aggressive rider and as bike and car racer cornering everything. I had an 21 XC last year and ran it with stock set up, ran rear blocks on stiff, and played with ski pressure and front pre load to get it to turn. I'm in Ontario Canada, dealers up here aren't very knowledgeable with suspension. Would you ship springs to Canada as I don't think my dealer can get any?
Hey John. I think the standard HD would be find for you. We really dont recommend the XHD until 250+. Call south sides shop and tell them i sent you and they will get you hooked up with HD springs. They have a decent amount of them
hi my name is Steve wald i live in Wi I have owned a 2022 xcr i just cant seem to get it to handle the way i like i watch alot of your video and the y have helpped i have followeed your instuction but every thing is stock on the sled i weight about 200 lb it still pushes a little and it ride fairly stiff thant u steve
Hi Steve. Thanks for the support. Where are your clicker settings? Did you instal HD rear torsion springs? How many miles on your sled and have you ever had the shocks rebuilt?
i have never had the shocks rebuilt just have the factory hd spring the red clicker is on 4 black in 6 on the front i have the front shocks tighen all the way down the middle is about half way up . Hard to remember all this have not been on it since march@@JESSEJAMES322
how many miles? i would suggest a rebuild and or a revalve. 1500 miles is when the shocks should be redone. the 22 XCR did not come with HD rear torsion springs. they came with standard duty and you at 200 pounds need the HD. the reason you're feeling like its a harsh ride is because you have the black knob turned in pretty far. that will make it feel harsh. i would take some turns out of that knob. and preload on ski springs perfect but the FTS (front shock in the rear suspenion) only needs 1/8 inch of preload. if you have that spring cranked up that will definitely contribute to your push
@@JESSEJAMES322 thank you. I will make those adjustments . how hard is it to change out the standardard duty spring to the H D. I would probable do a revalve but dont know if i want to push it getting this close to the season. did not expect a reply this soon your awsome
they are very easy. the link at the bottom of this comment will show you how its done. We are very far away from the season. Bruce turns shocks around in days of getting them. 99% of the time you have them back in the same week. if you are interetsed in that let me know and i will send you the link explaining what to do to send them in. ill keep answering as long as you keep responding! happy to help! ua-cam.com/video/uBQYVeZkKYQ/v-deo.html
So i bought a new 2022 XCR 850 137 and hate the way it rides. I rode it 26 miles around tug hill and now sits in my shed. I rather ride my 2016 pro x. the ride is very stiff and the sled was horrible on the moguls. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am bringing it up to the hill this weekend to give it a second chance. thanks
@@JESSEJAMES322 This is the way it came in. I haven't touched it. the clickers are different from the pro x. These have high and low just dont know which ones to turn. i think it has the HD spring in the rear. My buddy tried it and he weighs in at about 280 and said it rides perfect. i am only 197
the video you commented on explains what each clicker does and how to adjust them. You cant hate a sled if you havent attempted to adjust anything. if you think its stiff you need to turn the clickers out (to the left). and you have to see where your torsion springs are. XCR in 22 did not come with HD torsion springs which we also cover in this video
@@JESSEJAMES322 I got the sled loaded and headed to tug Friday and will play around with it. The video is good. I will watch it again and play with the shocks. If I ever see you up there you can take it and tell me what you think. Thanks again.
I will be there tomorrow night until Tuesday! So if you see me make sure to come stop me! most times Whiskey jacks is a stop for a couple drinks and food around 3-4 because thats 3 miles from where i stay
Morning Jesse, got a chance to put on 150 miles on the new Assault finally lol.. I started off full soft as you recommended and to my surprise the Assault is pretty stiff in the rear but could handle what ever I threw at it. ( I am coming off 2020 XCR 137 Pro-xc) However when I just want to chill and cruise and it is rough it is a little harsh. Would you recommend re-valve as you has discussed on your channel or change springs? Thank you in advance, this is awesome we all have a place to get knowledgeable opinions!
Hey! So yes the assaults are valved a little stiffer but again thats what makes them handle the bigger stuff. it is extremely tough to get best of both worlds BUT it i was to choose one i would choose a re-valve from bruce. i would not at all going to the softer springs.
Hey jesse i have an xcr 850 coming i weigh about 240 and will sometimes be riding with a passenger should i just go straight to the xhd spring? Thanks and great job on the videos they are a tremendous help
Hey Joel. I would say yes BUT that decision is ultimately yours. But especially having a passneger you will absolutely want them. Then when you do not have them just run them on soft! Glad they are helping!!
Man I wish we had a shop like this in western Maine, our dealer (very nice people for the record) just don't offer anything. Just wanna do what they have to do and get you gone. Least it seems that way.
Unfortunately MANY dealers are like that. If you ever need anything done or have any questions just Call southside. They can have parts to you in a day most of the time.
Great vid, very helpful! I’m going to need XHD springs I guess. How hard are they to change myself or should it go to the dealer to be done? As well, are they readily available or they a part Polaris is waiting for? Thanks! 👍👍
Can you or Bruce get into a little bit more of the ski spring adjustment to get front skid of the ground and how that will affect ski pressure/steering. As always another informative video.
Jake I just go back from tug hill just now Im only 230 with gear and I run the Xtra hd springs in my 20 850 xc137 ,I didn't touch a knob today!!The only thing I changed on the springs was the spring tang ,I bent the spring tangs from 80 degrees to about 120 degrees and on medium I have 2 and 1/2 inches of sag! So this works perfect,if you ride two up maybe only bend to about 100 degrees?? But absolutely insane today and it was rough as hell 😂😂
Low and Hi speed ajustment is not the same as a dirt bike.... Now im questing if this video is correct... Dirt Bike: Hi speed knob is for hi impacts not hi speed. Example: low speed off cliff but hi impact. Hi speed is more for bottoming adjustment. Not hi speed. (Counter intuitive I know But watch some Dirt Bike videos, Witch have had these kind of shocks for some 20 years). Just my 2 cents
ok dont trust us then idk what to tell you. Bruce has been working on these shocks for 20+ years and i trust him. Hi Speed is the speed that the shaft and piston travel through a body. so if its at a high rate through the body then its high speed. If its a low speed through the body then its low speed. low speed is cornering and body roll. hi speed is fast hits and big hits
@@JESSEJAMES322 Thanks for your response. Maybe its the way I'm understanding your explanation. I thinking your talking about the same thing, Just explaining it differently. Here is an explanation on Dirt Bike ua-cam.com/video/-8TP8pDUHhc/v-deo.html Thanks for your videos. I love em
Good Stuff : I always end up with drilling another hole in the limiter strap and shorten it up to make it rail in the corners…. Every sled I’ve owned. Keep that front end down - my 2 cents
Oh absolutely one of the best ways to get a sled to corner. If you go back and watch my custom suspension video I am working on something to do a few things including getting the front of the track off the ground without pulling the strap
At what weight would you say HD springs are a must? I have a VR1 coming and am torn. I'm about 220-225 and don't ride that aggressive. The book says stock springs are good to 260 buy that seems like a stretch.
There’s been plenty of updates! Have too keep watching the videos. We changed eveything. Springs, valving, Internal floating pistons, needles and more. You name It we changed It. Have to watch all the videos from last year to see
@@JESSEJAMES322 Stoked. 🤘. I'm starting on Cedar River Rd in Indian lake and headed to Old Forge/Inlet tomorrow. Saturday I'll be on the hill. Not sure where yet but I'm thinking Smith Rd in C-ville to Osceola then Redfield and over to Pulaski. Not exactly sure yet. Have a sick ride. Maybe I'll see ya on the hill. Great video BTW. More guys in other brands should do this as well for people that don't know and understand the way sleds work.
I put on 75 miles last night from redfield, williamstown, Orwell. Quite a bit of water spots which will be Ice this weekend. Just a heads up, ride safe buddy
@@JESSEJAMES322 also. Should do a video on static sag and rider sag suspension set up. That’s the first thing people should do before they ride. then play with clickers. Coming for the MX world, spring rates and bike/rider sag are critical in suspension tuning.
Love your videos. But being a headphone user your audio is making me go deaf lol. Bruce is super quiet and when you come on you blow my eardrums out lol.
This batch of videos I had audio issues. I got a new case and didn’t realize until after that It completely screwed my audio. I tried my best to help It but I know It sucks. Sorry about that!
I wanted to take a minute and share with everybody my experience out on the trails this weekend in tug hill. I was having some problems with my suspension and out of nowhere Jesse rolled up on the trail and pulled right up to us. He immediately engaged in conversation and gave us very helpful advice with my XCR suspension. He even offered to adjust all the suspension trailside. After doing so, it made for a great riding for the rest of the weekend!. Who rolls up on a bunch of strangers and -15° temperatures and offers to help. Straight up great guy, with tons of knowledge and looking forward to following him on UA-cam. Thanks again!!
Greg!!! I was hoping you were going to check the channel out. Im happy to help and i hope what i did actually made the sled better. Trail side changes like that are tough but doable. Suspension is key to make your riding enjoyable and i really and glad i stopped and helped you out! Hopefully we run into one another again!
Bruce told me about this video and asked me to let him know how I felt about it. I called him and let him know but I wanted you to know that the video is very informative. When I riding with him I know he’s constantly thinking what can do to make this better. I also told him I would like to see videos where you guys are on different snowmobiles swapping and seeing what you guys like and don’t like. Also to other people reading this post, if you’re not happy with your sled, don’t just complain, reach out and ask Jesse or Bruce, they have a ton of knowledge.
Thank you! Im excited to get riding with him so we can bounce ideas off one another. WIll be great for everyone!
Would love to hear some improvement in the sound quality ! Very informative video
This batch of videos I had audio issues. I got a new case and didn’t realize until after that It completely screwed my audio. I tried my best to help It but I know It sucks. Sorry about that!
Great video. Interesting to see that Bruce suggested more preload on the fronts. I took preload out of the front end to get the a-arms parallel with the ground. Took this advice from one of your older videos with the VR1. I have it dialed in pretty well. At this point I am just adjusting low speed on the fronts to keep it flat in the corners. I typically have the low speeds 2-4 clicks out from full soft. defiantly a different handling sled than my past 3 procross cats. Fun to learn a new chassis.
he does that to get the front of the track off the ground. Only reason i will be able to recue preload is becuae the spindles will be tall enough to keep the front of the track off the ground!
Hey guys love & thanks for your video time. The shocks underneath xcr wasn't clear on the setting. Should they be the same or no.
yes they are
Referencing back to this two years later and man is that a nice paint job. Thanks for everything guys👌🏼
Thank you!! thats what we are here for!
I appreciate your new direction. Very appreciated. Really miss Nash.
Happy to help!! Nash is around!!
Man I Got behind on alot of videos... Can't sleep it's pouring RAINNNNN sucks!!!! As Always GREAT content 👌 the mad scientist Bruce just spitting out knowledge!! 👊
yea i know... im headed to the hill today so well see whats left....
Great info! I'm excited to pick up my Assault this weekend. After sometime learning the sled this will definitely help me set up the suspension to my weight/riding style. On a previous video you mentioned how often a guy should have his shocks looked at but there wasn't an answer
depends on amount of riding really but we say every year to keep them fresh!
Polaris sent out the Front Track Shocks on the 22XCR's with the spring tab up in-between the opening in the spring retainer and not down in the adjustment ring on the bottom of the Front Track shock, what is Bruce's explanation for this and what way should the springs be, tab up or tab down?
He says he has seen both. He has no idea why some show up on one and some the other way he said It doesn’t really matter. He likes putting them on the one way but he said that It won’t hurt anything
@@JESSEJAMES322 He likes putting them on what way? Tang up or down? It's supposed to be down from what I've seen, but functionally I agree I don't think it matters. Thanks
Putting in so the nipple Sits on the hole of the retainer
Picking my XCR 650/up on Thu. I will set to 3 and ride. Great info in the video. Suspension shock setup on mountain bikes is similar w lo/hi. Setting up any suspension requires set and ride, repeat.
Glad we could help and get you on the right track. Yes they are very similar in how to adjust. Suspension is also very select. What one person likes its not what someone else will like!
Once again guys great video. So I guess that means Me being 6-3 280lbs I’m looking at putting on extra heavy duty torsion springs when my xcr comes in.
I’m 260, had heavy duty’s last year, going xhd this year
110% would recommend the XHD springs. We actually pulled an XCR shock apart and the rebound is pretty show (very good thing with the XHD) springs so throw them on and see how It is!
Polaris manual shows high setting with stock springs 220-260lb. recommended 220-350 for HD and 310-425 for XHD
The polaris manual is wrong. factory sprinsg are for 170 and under. HD from 170-240 ish. 240+ is XHD
Great video. I have changed my rear springs to heavy duty as suggested. That made a world of difference. My question is about the number of clicks on the front shocks. My front shocks have different numbers of available clicks. Is that normal or do I have defective shocks? One side has 10 clicks the other 14. 2022 VR1. Thanks
HD are a game changer. Not the total answer because valving is needed in the shocks but makes a huge differnece. I have never heard of that actually but they should be the same amount of clicks. Have you told your dealer this?
In the video you talk about stiffer low speed settings in deeper snow is that just for the front or front and rear
front and rear. in the deep stiff you want a more rigid platform to stay on top of the snow
@@JESSEJAMES322 thanks looking forward to more videos
I am 225 ready to ride and i have about 10 pounds behind me on the tunnel .I have only ridden my 21 xc 650 110 miles and i had no bottoming at all with the blocks on high.I did start with all the clickers in all the way and the ski shocks were wat to stiff.The springs are screwed all the way out or as long as they can be .I started clinking the ski shocks out a bit at a time and im at 3 turns out from full stiff Ill play with it next outing.I am about 2 turns out from full in on the skid shocks and find it still stiff would i continue to adjust the clickers on the skid shocks or try the spring blocks softer ?
you are feeling theyre are still because your clickers are almost full stiff. having them that far in they become very rigid. i would back them out but they will become softer and then more prone to bottoming.
ok thank you .I macked them all out and then in from there 3 turns all the way around as per the video.I will try it and report back.I am 6-5" and 225 as i said .I have the supplied springs both on High .@@JESSEJAMES322
The "Doc" of snowmobiles! Back to the Future sled edition!
HAHAHAHAHHAH yes!!!!
Great video! I’m finally picking up my XCR 850 early next week and I’m now concerned about changing the rear springs to the HD spring as I am north of 220lbs but wondering if you had a part number I can’t seem to find one. Thanks!
Hey Jason i would absolutely recommend them. Part #2884974
What is easiest way to turn the jam nut down on front spring like Bruce said to lift front a little? I can’t get nut to budge?
There is an allen bolt you need to loosen within the collar. Once you loosen that you will be able to move the collar
Great vid, i am on the fence with the XCR or the VR1. I would love to see a vid like this on the VR1. I am coming off a Axis's sled 850 Adventure. Love all about the sled but don't need all the power no more as we are now trail riders. Would love to see the differences between both. Thanks Paul Great Vid by the way
VR1 we have touched on many many times. SHocks have smaller shafts. only one compression adjustment. softer front ski springs. alla round will be a softer more plush ride. aside form all the hard parts that the XCR has that are beefier
You didn’t explain what damping settings on the front vs rear skid shock and how they effect the chassis dynamics - would of been helpful
this is just one video of many that we have on suspension. below is a link to the general set up that helps explain a ton of things and should answer all questions you have!
ua-cam.com/video/eUDG1CGPHdk/v-deo.html
I have a 2022 VR1 137" sled. I put the HD springs in the rear as recommended and even turned up the adjustment block to hard and the rear is still soft. I am 190# and no extra luggage. When I sit on the sled the rear skid completely compresses. I have about 300 miles on the sled and the track isn't that loose where I need to tighten it up. Where can I get more rear spring pressure? The rear shock seems to be pretty oily where the clicker is, but that shouldn't affect the spring rate. Any suggestions?
so the springs can only help so much. the valving in the shocks need help. which we are testing set ups now but Bruce has a ton of notes and if you get him your rear shocks he will get them working properly. You also could have a dead (no nitrogen) shock in the rear. we have seen a few already
@@JESSEJAMES322thanks for the recommendation. I think you are correct that it’s dead as there is no resistance “dampening” and when I was adjusting the clicker, there was a lot of oil near the knob. How do I get a hold of Bruce to send my shock in to have him revalve it?
yessir! And he will get you all set up! give the shop a call and ask for Bruce Sr!
@@JESSEJAMES322 Thanks! I will contact Bruce after the ride season.....UPDATE- I took my rear shock to a nearby shock builder and the pressure was 50# low. After the charge and reinstalled it, the rear is 110% better now!!!! As I have gone on many forums, there are quite a few people that are saying that the charges on the rear skid shocks are low from Polaris. Hope my seals don't have a slow leak, I will keep my eye on it.
Enjoying the videos. I think an external mic would be a good upgrade to these. 👍
This batch of videos I had audio issues. I got a new case and didn’t realize until after that It completely screwed my audio. I tried my best to help It but I know It sucks. Sorry about that!
Is anyone giving you feedback on your audio?
Yes eveyone. This batch of videos I had audio issues. I got a new case and didn’t realize until after that It completely screwed my audio. I tried my best to help It and adjust but I know It sucks. Sorry about that! Work in progress
Great video Jesse & Bruce! Sure helped me understand suspension better.
Happy to help! That’s why we are here doing videos!
Based on the video I can come down in the front shocks quite a bit more. This should help me turn better, than If I feel its to much ski pressure, I can alway find the happy medium with adjusting the center shock. Does that sound right Jesse?
that is 100% correct!!
Thank you JJ .. very well done as always...I am a suspension fanatic...thks Keith
Was hoping everyone would like this!
Is it ok to change the stock muffler to a ggb can? On my 2023 XCR 850.
thats really your choice but yes a lot of guys run them!
Great Vid!! What should your rear sag be set to as a starting point? Meaning how much should the suspension compress when I sit on it. I Have been riding Pro-XC skids since 2016 and loved it. My 22 Assault just showed up finally, and am looking for a starting point for the rear. This may be in the manual but not picking her up until tomorrow lol.. Thanks
we really dont look at sag numbers to be honest. Many swear by them but we do not, Its all about feel. I would start everything on full soft and go from there. Also depending on how much yoiu weigh. If you tell me youre 250 id say get a set of HD rear springs to start and then go from there
@@JESSEJAMES322 I am built for speed at 215 so should be good lol thanks for the reply!
speed not comfort!! love it. yea on the assaults you should be ok with stock everything. if not reach back out and well get ya set up!
Is it safe to have the clickers all the way in (full stiff), or should you be 1 or 2 clicks out from full stiff?
you can run them all the way in and youll be fine. if you have to run them all the way in then its time to have them revalved
Thank you
What springs should I get I’m 260 63 med heavy duty or the heavy heavy ones . Thanks for this video.
i would recommend the XHD springs for you
Good job guys, thank you, very clear on the set ups.
thanks for following along!
Thank you for educating us again. I’m wondering if you can help me on something. Basically the Ride Command sucks in Maine. In Vermont all the clubs are under the state and are uniform in the numbering system and are all on the state map and are on the Ride Command. In Maine the state map has only the ITS state trails that connect areas and the club network is on their own maps. The infinite club maps are not easy to get depending on how big the club is. The state trails come out ok on the GPS and the club trails are basically non existent. Other GPS systems have everything. I have a 2015 Pro S with the first year in dash ride command. Is there anything Polaris can do or can I somehow download the information? You seem to be in a position with people that might be able to address this. I’d appreciate it thanks
I unfortunately do not know. I am not great with that side of the sleds. Let me ask around and see~
Great videos, much appreciated! At 225 with gear, would you recommend HD or X HD torsion springs? I'm a very aggressive rider and as bike and car racer cornering everything. I had an 21 XC last year and ran it with stock set up, ran rear blocks on stiff, and played with ski pressure and front pre load to get it to turn. I'm in Ontario Canada, dealers up here aren't very knowledgeable with suspension. Would you ship springs to Canada as I don't think my dealer can get any?
Hey John. I think the standard HD would be find for you. We really dont recommend the XHD until 250+. Call south sides shop and tell them i sent you and they will get you hooked up with HD springs. They have a decent amount of them
hi my name is Steve wald i live in Wi I have owned a 2022 xcr i just cant seem to get it to handle the way i like i watch alot of your video and the y have helpped i have followeed your instuction but every thing is stock on the sled i weight about 200 lb it still pushes a little and it ride fairly stiff thant u steve
Hi Steve. Thanks for the support. Where are your clicker settings? Did you instal HD rear torsion springs? How many miles on your sled and have you ever had the shocks rebuilt?
i have never had the shocks rebuilt just have the factory hd spring the red clicker is on 4 black in 6 on the front i have the front shocks tighen all the way down the middle is about half way up . Hard to remember all this have not been on it since march@@JESSEJAMES322
how many miles? i would suggest a rebuild and or a revalve. 1500 miles is when the shocks should be redone. the 22 XCR did not come with HD rear torsion springs. they came with standard duty and you at 200 pounds need the HD. the reason you're feeling like its a harsh ride is because you have the black knob turned in pretty far. that will make it feel harsh. i would take some turns out of that knob. and preload on ski springs perfect but the FTS (front shock in the rear suspenion) only needs 1/8 inch of preload. if you have that spring cranked up that will definitely contribute to your push
@@JESSEJAMES322 thank you. I will make those adjustments . how hard is it to change out the standardard duty spring to the H D. I would probable do a revalve but dont know if i want to push it getting this close to the season. did not expect a reply this soon your awsome
they are very easy. the link at the bottom of this comment will show you how its done. We are very far away from the season. Bruce turns shocks around in days of getting them. 99% of the time you have them back in the same week. if you are interetsed in that let me know and i will send you the link explaining what to do to send them in. ill keep answering as long as you keep responding! happy to help!
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Excellent video guys as usual, just picked up my XCR, can't wait to rip it.
Thank you snd this is perfect timing for you then!!
So i bought a new 2022 XCR 850 137 and hate the way it rides. I rode it 26 miles around tug hill and now sits in my shed. I rather ride my 2016 pro x. the ride is very stiff and the sled was horrible on the moguls. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am bringing it up to the hill this weekend to give it a second chance. thanks
were do you have it all set at. springs and clickers?
@@JESSEJAMES322 This is the way it came in. I haven't touched it. the clickers are different from the pro x. These have high and low just dont know which ones to turn. i think it has the HD spring in the rear. My buddy tried it and he weighs in at about 280 and said it rides perfect. i am only 197
the video you commented on explains what each clicker does and how to adjust them. You cant hate a sled if you havent attempted to adjust anything. if you think its stiff you need to turn the clickers out (to the left). and you have to see where your torsion springs are. XCR in 22 did not come with HD torsion springs which we also cover in this video
@@JESSEJAMES322 I got the sled loaded and headed to tug Friday and will play around with it. The video is good. I will watch it again and play with the shocks. If I ever see you up there you can take it and tell me what you think. Thanks again.
I will be there tomorrow night until Tuesday! So if you see me make sure to come stop me! most times Whiskey jacks is a stop for a couple drinks and food around 3-4 because thats 3 miles from where i stay
Morning Jesse, got a chance to put on 150 miles on the new Assault finally lol.. I started off full soft as you recommended and to my surprise the Assault is pretty stiff in the rear but could handle what ever I threw at it. ( I am coming off 2020 XCR 137 Pro-xc) However when I just want to chill and cruise and it is rough it is a little harsh. Would you recommend re-valve as you has discussed on your channel or change springs? Thank you in advance, this is awesome we all have a place to get knowledgeable opinions!
Hey! So yes the assaults are valved a little stiffer but again thats what makes them handle the bigger stuff. it is extremely tough to get best of both worlds BUT it i was to choose one i would choose a re-valve from bruce. i would not at all going to the softer springs.
where can we find the spanner wrench for the shock spring jam nuts?
That I actually do not know. I’ve never seen one believe It or not. Have used a screwdriver and a hammer before. Don’t know if they make one
Just picked up 2023 850 xcr- do you recommend shimming ski’s or did they finally figure it out- thanks
if you are keeping stock skis i would shim the skis. they did not figure that out yet
I need stronger front springs I'm 315 naked what weight spring should I get and were at
XCR? I would say youd need the 125# springs. Call SouthSide Sales and service and as for Ty. He can help you out. tell him I sent you!
Hey jesse i have an xcr 850 coming i weigh about 240 and will sometimes be riding with a passenger should i just go straight to the xhd spring? Thanks and great job on the videos they are a tremendous help
Hey Joel. I would say yes BUT that decision is ultimately yours. But especially having a passneger you will absolutely want them. Then when you do not have them just run them on soft! Glad they are helping!!
Awesome video I finally understand ! Keep them coming !!!! I’m from Massachusetts I’d love to ride with u one day Pal
That’s what I like to hear! And I’ll be putting on some miles in mass with Bruce and his crew!
Man I wish we had a shop like this in western Maine, our dealer (very nice people for the record) just don't offer anything. Just wanna do what they have to do and get you gone. Least it seems that way.
Unfortunately MANY dealers are like that. If you ever need anything done or have any questions just Call southside. They can have parts to you in a day most of the time.
Great info!!!
However the sound quality of the video is very poor compared to previous video.
As stated in about 5 videos i had audio issues for about 5 videos. tried to fix it but wasnt great but i was not going to not post them!
So I’m 235 lbs and by the time I get all geared up I am probably close to 255 lbs . I just bought a 22’ XCR 650 . What do you suggest?
Absolutely a set oh the HD springs and go from there
@@JESSEJAMES322 where do I get em from? The dealer?
Great vid, very helpful! I’m going to need XHD springs I guess. How hard are they to change myself or should it go to the dealer to be done? As well, are they readily available or they a part Polaris is waiting for? Thanks! 👍👍
They are a 15 min job with standard tools. Nothing fancy or hard about them!
@@JESSEJAMES322 cool, thanks man!
Can you or Bruce get into a little bit more of the ski spring adjustment to get front skid of the ground and how that will affect ski pressure/steering. As always another informative video.
We have covered that a ton. If you go back to the original basic set up video he touched a lot on getting the front of the track off rhe ground
Does the sled come with the spring tool
no
where does one get that jacket that has on?
i believe he has had that for a while and i dont think they make it anymore
How bad is bottoming for the sled? I ride 2up occasionally and if the trails are rough I definitely will bottom sometimes. Any cause for concern?
Do you have HD springs? You definitely don’t want to do It often. That’s a lot of excess strain on components
@@JESSEJAMES322 I do have HD springs. Thought about going Extra HD but then I think that’s too much for when I’m solo
How much do you weigh?
Jake I just go back from tug hill just now Im only 230 with gear and I run the Xtra hd springs in my 20 850 xc137 ,I didn't touch a knob today!!The only thing I changed on the springs was the spring tang ,I bent the spring tangs from 80 degrees to about 120 degrees and on medium I have 2 and 1/2 inches of sag! So this works perfect,if you ride two up maybe only bend to about 100 degrees?? But absolutely insane today and it was rough as hell 😂😂
@@JESSEJAMES322 I’m about 210. Both of us with gear I’m guessing is around 400
Low and Hi speed ajustment is not the same as a dirt bike.... Now im questing if this video is correct... Dirt Bike: Hi speed knob is for hi impacts not hi speed. Example: low speed off cliff but hi impact. Hi speed is more for bottoming adjustment. Not hi speed. (Counter intuitive I know But watch some Dirt Bike videos, Witch have had these kind of shocks for some 20 years). Just my 2 cents
ok dont trust us then idk what to tell you. Bruce has been working on these shocks for 20+ years and i trust him. Hi Speed is the speed that the shaft and piston travel through a body. so if its at a high rate through the body then its high speed. If its a low speed through the body then its low speed. low speed is cornering and body roll. hi speed is fast hits and big hits
@@JESSEJAMES322 Thanks for your response. Maybe its the way I'm understanding your explanation.
I thinking your talking about the same thing, Just explaining it differently.
Here is an explanation on Dirt Bike
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Thanks for your videos. I love em
Good Stuff : I always end up with drilling another hole in the limiter strap and shorten it up to make it rail in the corners…. Every sled I’ve owned. Keep that front end down - my 2 cents
Oh absolutely one of the best ways to get a sled to corner. If you go back and watch my custom suspension video I am working on something to do a few things including getting the front of the track off the ground without pulling the strap
At what weight would you say HD springs are a must? I have a VR1 coming and am torn. I'm about 220-225 and don't ride that aggressive. The book says stock springs are good to 260 buy that seems like a stretch.
200+ HD springs are a must. I’m 190 (was 180 last year) and still ran the HD. 250-260 + I would recommend XHD
Need an update since he has had some more time on the seat!
There’s been plenty of updates! Have too keep watching the videos. We changed eveything. Springs, valving, Internal floating pistons, needles and more. You name It we changed It. Have to watch all the videos from last year to see
@@JESSEJAMES322 😂 my bad. I'm pretty sure ive watched the others but it's been a few months. Either way I appreciate the knowledge
All good! Was just too much to but into a comment! If you have questions on the other vids just comment. I saw you comment on one already !
What trails you riding this weekend?
Just got to the hill
@@JESSEJAMES322 Stoked. 🤘. I'm starting on Cedar River Rd in Indian lake and headed to Old Forge/Inlet tomorrow. Saturday I'll be on the hill. Not sure where yet but I'm thinking Smith Rd in C-ville to Osceola then Redfield and over to Pulaski. Not exactly sure yet. Have a sick ride. Maybe I'll see ya on the hill. Great video BTW. More guys in other brands should do this as well for people that don't know and understand the way sleds work.
I put on 75 miles last night from redfield, williamstown, Orwell. Quite a bit of water spots which will be Ice this weekend. Just a heads up, ride safe buddy
@@bradwallis5311 thank you. I have 80 miles so far from Indian lake to stillwater res. Headed back now. Should be around 150 plus miles.
i did 75 miles too. went south the looped around to Osceola and back to camp
Really when you chance the rear track springs you should change the front track shock spring to. No one talks about that.
Its not needed. Bruce and i change ours but its not needed. The big ticket is the rear torsion springs to support the weight
@@JESSEJAMES322 so it didn’t make a difference?? 🤔
they do but thats fine tune adjusting. most people wont ever notice it but we do
@@JESSEJAMES322 it would be good to know what the stock spring rate. Do you have that info? Speaking about the FTS of course. Thx!
@@JESSEJAMES322 also. Should do a video on static sag and rider sag suspension set up. That’s the first thing people should do before they ride. then play with clickers. Coming for the MX world, spring rates and bike/rider sag are critical in suspension tuning.
Thanks for this information very helpful
Thanks for watching. Sorry for the crappy Audio. Been having some issues
I found this Jessie good stuff
Thank you! Bringing knowledge to everyone!!
Great Job ‼️‼️‼️
Thanks Shaun!
Love your videos. But being a headphone user your audio is making me go deaf lol. Bruce is super quiet and when you come on you blow my eardrums out lol.
This batch of videos I had audio issues. I got a new case and didn’t realize until after that It completely screwed my audio. I tried my best to help It but I know It sucks. Sorry about that!
230lb but can't afford torsion springs so I guess I'm eating salads for the next 4 weeks lol
i understand, Save some pennies. They help a ton!