I totally agree with keeping your picks. The nfc north is brutal and it's going to stsy that way. To compete with them, the Bears need to be improving every single year. Do NOT go all in and become the Rams. The hardest work is done. We have a real qb. The best prospect in the north. Protect him.
How much better will be be than another punter? So far he’s just a normal punter. I think the lefty they cut is just as good. Maybe one day but a 4th rounder was a steep price
@@slappyjones2136 here's your homework. Watch all punters in the league. Then come back. If you don't see a difference, i suggest you to go see your eye doc
Agreed, the only trades we should be making is to ACQUIRE draft picks. Herbert is probably walking after the season and we're cutting Davis- Let's get a couple of draft picks for them before the trade deadline.
Finally someone with some sense. I’ve been saying the same thing, this team is not there yet to make a trade like that & honestly their best bet this season is probably to stand pat unless they can get something for Herbert or Davis and see how thr online market shakes out on the off season between the draft & free agency.
This team is not a Max Crosby away from a title. A minimum of two O-line starters and an edge would put us in the conversation. More depth is needed in other areas.
you can give up a first next year and a 2nd in 2026 and still have plenty of picks to draft oline. most teams don’t even spend top 60 picks on interior oline. nor should they. it’s a waste of draft capital
Take the swing if you can score Crosby or Garrett for a 1st and later rd pick , do it. You will not get similar instant quality in a top 20 pick. This is when you go for it while Caleb and Rome are in their rookie contracts.
Finally some voices of reason in the haze of crazy draft speculation. I think people started to believe that the QB pick was some indication that the Bears were ready instead of what it really was, a prime opportunity to steal the best QB in the draft with the first pick. If we are being honest though, the QB came a year early, which isn't a big deal, as long as it's recognized that the team was going into this season with question marks on both lines. Dline has held up pretty well and the oline has been inconsistent, but getting better. I think they still can use upgrades in the trenches in the offseason though. If they want a Maxx Crosby, draft and develop one.
If a trade is made it needs to be the oline. The def is fine. You can find another edge in the draft if you feel you really need one. Only way I’d make a trade for def it’d have to be like a 2nd for a significant upgrade over the opposite side to sweat.
I kinda agree. Don’t jump the shark here. The Bears OL is still not good. Need a legit C and prolly time to fix the LT. I like Braxton, but you can’t leave him alone with upper tier pass rushers. And even some mid level pass rushers. And he doesn’t “maul” in the run game. Shelton has played better, but he’s been pancaked by LINEBACKERS. Can’t have that.
If you’re still thinking “big moves” the next few years are the time to do it. As long as Caleb is under his rookie deal you have the flexibility to spend big. If Williams becomes what we think he will be, dude is going to get paid in four seasons and eat up a huge chunk of your cap.
i could disagree more. if you do the basic math you trade for crosby or garrett. here’s why. the bears have 7 top 90 picks in the next 2 years but they don’t have 7 holes to fill. the bears need: DE, Wr, C, left tackle. that’s 4 players. if you trade a first and 2nd for max/myles you still have 5 picks and you’ll only have 3 main holes. who are you saving these extra picks for? and that’s not to mention all your 4-7 round picks where poles and co have found rojo, sandborn, bagent, terrell smith, austin booker, braxton. trading caleb for a haul never made sense cuz the bears didn’t need picks. they needed players. same thing now.
It depends on how good Caleb really is and will continue to be. Also what will the draft prospects turn out to be? I guess when you got a 22 year old Quarterback, you don’t need to give up your future.
Not saying they should trade for Crosby or not… but idk why bears fans think they need so many more pieces to compete. Like they think good teams have all pros at every single position? The roster is plenty good enough, it’s just they haven’t proven it yet and they have a rookie QB
So you want to waste 2+ years of Caleb’s rookie contract makes sense. I’m so glad y’all fans aren’t the GM it would be malpractice to put more than 1 rookie on the OL to protect your franchise QB. Fuck the picks go get a premium edge and complete that defense then in FA go sign a LT, C and a LG and then draft a RG then the rest of the draft you draft best player available. It takes years to build a OL through the draft Bears don’t have years to waste so you buy your OL now draft a RG then draft depth pieces to develop behind your starters so you can swap them out when you have to pay Caleb in 3 maybe 4 years.
The Bears are not using the top 3 picks all on Oline, if you can trade a 1 and a later round or 26 pick for a Myles Garrett type, you do it. Trading for Myles Garrett/Crosby is more realistic than them trading Kennan Allen. That makes you the best defense in the NFL. Also Myles Garrett is more likely to be traded than the Bears trading Kennan Allen…
Poles should be focusing on Myles Garrett if he is looking to push his defense into elite territory. Cleveland is a dumpster fire right now and they need cap relief AND future draft capital. We Bears were there at the end of Pace's tenure. Myles Garrett could be the Browns version of getting rid of Khalil Mack. I think Cleveland might be willing to deal.
We have plenty of young talent. We don't need to get better through the NFL draft. I say part the draft picks. Plus what talent, of what the bears need are coming out in 2025??
What about the moves he has already made, has you thinking he will do anything to jeopardize what he has going on by wasting away a pick or two? C'mon now, fellas!
Your an idiot if you trade Keenan. That's an idiots take. Keep tagging on the punter who flips field position every time he touches the ball but trade Keenan? This guy is why the bears have sucked for 40 years. That mindset
Make them happy within reason! You do not continuously bend over back wards trying to make someone great! There is a certain drive for excellence within oneself, that should be everpresent in every NFL player, you are amongst the Best on the Planet! S**t or get off the pot! This is major Business! You only see it as an emotional sport, as oppossed to an extremely high competetive business on every level. That is what makes some of your comments nonsense. Peace. LaMu
saving draft picks to draft interior oline in the first round is peak stupidity. centers and guard barely make a difference. crosby or garrett make the bears the scariest defense in the nfl
@@ttaylor758 poles has drafted 1 every year. he drafts a highly athletic tackle. this is smart as you can move tackles inside. - braxton is very serviceable - wright is good and has a chance to eventually be great - amegadjie is still an unknown. i think poles is doing it the right way. dont pass on premium positions to build oline. even passing on carter for a right tackles wasnt a great move. imagine Carter on our Dline? he'd be unstoppable as a DE right now.
This fanbase doesn’t want to win or understand that this is at most a 3 1/2 year window to go completely all in with a rookie QB. Anyone who says draft OL heavy is literally the dumbest person ever you don’t put 4 dam rookies on the OL to protect your franchise QB and expect to win or go far next year you need proven vets. Screw the picks go trade for a premium edge to complete that defense then in FA go sign a LT, C & LG then in the draft get a RG then in the rest of the draft go best player available or depth at OL to develop behind your win now OL so you can replace them when Caleb is due an extension and do that every year like the Patriots did and like the Chiefs do now. It takes years to build an OL through the draft Bears don’t have years to waste. I hate this mindset of hoarding picks just because there is no guarantee any of the players they draft pan out and now you just wasted another season of Caleb’s rookie contract. When you have your QB on a rookie contract like Caleb draft picks don’t matter anymore you found your guy now what matters is proven guys already in the NFL to go and try to win a Super Bowl when you start worrying about the draft picks again is when you pay Caleb because you need to supplement that high end proven vets with younger talent and if done right you do it like the Patriots and Cheifs did/do which is you have to hit on your later round picks and you create a “farm system” in the background while you are going all in.
This is definitely the time. The division is only getting better. If there’s guys like Max and Garrett who are generational then go get them. They won’t get them in the draft. Look at Trevon walker, he’s was the first edge off the board and Jags might trade him. We need a difference makers and that is miles or max. Plus it blocks Detroit. Let’s go pull a premium piece now!
This is not the time to trade all our picks and go all in. We’re not at that level yet. Maybe we will be next year. Like they said we might need to replace 60% of our o line and good o linemen don’t hit free agency often. We need our picks this draft
@@Logie_Mills - What if the Bears want to give Kiran a shot at LT next year and have no plans of drafting a LT? - What if the Bears, like many teams, think its a waste of high draft picks to take an interior lineman with a 2nd round draft pick? - What if there are no great FA DE's next year? What i like about poles is that he want to be great at every positions. He just doesnt draft average prospects to fill holes.
I totally agree with keeping your picks. The nfc north is brutal and it's going to stsy that way. To compete with them, the Bears need to be improving every single year. Do NOT go all in and become the Rams. The hardest work is done. We have a real qb. The best prospect in the north. Protect him.
That 4th round pk for that particular punter was a great pick for a future pro-bowl punter.
How much better will be be than another punter? So far he’s just a normal punter. I think the lefty they cut is just as good. Maybe one day but a 4th rounder was a steep price
@@slappyjones2136 Normal Punter?? Watch the Rams game and get a bang out of life.Smh
@@slappyjones2136 here's your homework. Watch all punters in the league. Then come back. If you don't see a difference, i suggest you to go see your eye doc
@@Yatazachqa-E-S man you guys are all in on Tory. Okay then
@@slappyjones2136where’s ur family? I wanna teach em a lesson cuz u disrespected my god.
Agreed, the only trades we should be making is to ACQUIRE draft picks. Herbert is probably walking after the season and we're cutting Davis- Let's get a couple of draft picks for them before the trade deadline.
Finally someone with some sense. I’ve been saying the same thing, this team is not there yet to make a trade like that & honestly their best bet this season is probably to stand pat unless they can get something for Herbert or Davis and see how thr online market shakes out on the off season between the draft & free agency.
We need these picks I wouldn’t do it
we have plenty of picks. what holes do we have?
@@shake6321 so u would trade 2 1st round picks for Crosby don’t make sense thats the Mack trade all over again we need those picks
@@shake6321 Offensive line.
@@shake6321the offensive line needs an influx of premium talent next year. They’re not good
This team is not a Max Crosby away from a title. A minimum of two O-line starters and an edge would put us in the conversation. More depth is needed in other areas.
you can give up a first next year and a 2nd in 2026 and still have plenty of picks to draft oline.
most teams don’t even spend top 60 picks on interior oline. nor should they. it’s a waste of draft capital
Take the swing if you can score Crosby or Garrett for a 1st and later rd pick , do it. You will not get similar instant quality in a top 20 pick. This is when you go for it while Caleb and Rome are in their rookie contracts.
Finally some voices of reason in the haze of crazy draft speculation. I think people started to believe that the QB pick was some indication that the Bears were ready instead of what it really was, a prime opportunity to steal the best QB in the draft with the first pick. If we are being honest though, the QB came a year early, which isn't a big deal, as long as it's recognized that the team was going into this season with question marks on both lines. Dline has held up pretty well and the oline has been inconsistent, but getting better. I think they still can use upgrades in the trenches in the offseason though.
If they want a Maxx Crosby, draft and develop one.
If a trade is made it needs to be the oline. The def is fine. You can find another edge in the draft if you feel you really need one. Only way I’d make a trade for def it’d have to be like a 2nd for a significant upgrade over the opposite side to sweat.
Maybe Walker would be a good pick if they can get him for a fourth round then walk away
I’m curious to see the reaction when we got Mack , this is the same thing but prob with a better offense
I kinda agree. Don’t jump the shark here. The Bears OL is still not good. Need a legit C and prolly time to fix the LT. I like Braxton, but you can’t leave him alone with upper tier pass rushers. And even some mid level pass rushers. And he doesn’t “maul” in the run game.
Shelton has played better, but he’s been pancaked by LINEBACKERS. Can’t have that.
Calias Campbell makes sense.
Da Bears have 3 top 50 picks in this year's draft! They will draft OLine and a possibly a safety
Bear Down
If you’re still thinking “big moves” the next few years are the time to do it. As long as Caleb is under his rookie deal you have the flexibility to spend big. If Williams becomes what we think he will be, dude is going to get paid in four seasons and eat up a huge chunk of your cap.
i could disagree more. if you do the basic math you trade for crosby or garrett. here’s why.
the bears have 7 top 90 picks in the next 2 years but they don’t have 7 holes to fill.
the bears need:
DE, Wr, C, left tackle.
that’s 4 players.
if you trade a first and 2nd for max/myles you still have 5 picks and you’ll only have 3 main holes.
who are you saving these extra picks for? and that’s not to mention all your 4-7 round picks where poles and co have found rojo, sandborn, bagent, terrell smith, austin booker, braxton.
trading caleb for a haul never made sense cuz the bears didn’t need picks. they needed players. same thing now.
It depends on how good Caleb really is and will continue to be. Also what will the draft prospects turn out to be? I guess when you got a 22 year old Quarterback, you don’t need to give up your future.
You aren’t drafting Garrett with a pick in the 20’s. The bears o line is top 10 in both run and pass blocking currently
Not saying they should trade for Crosby or not… but idk why bears fans think they need so many more pieces to compete. Like they think good teams have all pros at every single position? The roster is plenty good enough, it’s just they haven’t proven it yet and they have a rookie QB
The first 3 picks should go to the o-line and the fourth pick should go to a running back
So you want to waste 2+ years of Caleb’s rookie contract makes sense. I’m so glad y’all fans aren’t the GM it would be malpractice to put more than 1 rookie on the OL to protect your franchise QB. Fuck the picks go get a premium edge and complete that defense then in FA go sign a LT, C and a LG and then draft a RG then the rest of the draft you draft best player available. It takes years to build a OL through the draft Bears don’t have years to waste so you buy your OL now draft a RG then draft depth pieces to develop behind your starters so you can swap them out when you have to pay Caleb in 3 maybe 4 years.
The Bears are not using the top 3 picks all on Oline, if you can trade a 1 and a later round or 26 pick for a Myles Garrett type, you do it.
Trading for Myles Garrett/Crosby is more realistic than them trading Kennan Allen. That makes you the best defense in the NFL.
Also Myles Garrett is more likely to be traded than the Bears trading Kennan Allen…
You go get high paid impact players when you have a rookie qb you feel you can win with on their rookie deal
I’d trade one first… guys a proven elite edge. Why not???
Save the draft picks for next years linemen.
Picks past 3rd rd are a lottery ticket anyway. Chicago has a great history with later picks, but I'd trade away picks past 3rd rd.
Poles should be focusing on Myles Garrett if he is looking to push his defense into elite territory. Cleveland is a dumpster fire right now and they need cap relief AND future draft capital. We Bears were there at the end of Pace's tenure. Myles Garrett could be the Browns version of getting rid of Khalil Mack.
I think Cleveland might be willing to deal.
We have plenty of young talent. We don't need to get better through the NFL draft. I say part the draft picks. Plus what talent, of what the bears need are coming out in 2025??
What about the moves he has already made, has you thinking he will do anything to jeopardize what he has going on by wasting away a pick or two? C'mon now, fellas!
Your an idiot if you trade Keenan. That's an idiots take. Keep tagging on the punter who flips field position every time he touches the ball but trade Keenan? This guy is why the bears have sucked for 40 years. That mindset
Shitting on Poles for taking a punter in the 4th round while building a 12 ranked OLINE is a Packer take. 🤡 shoes
Imagine keep chirping The Taylor draft after the season he is having
Dude is a rookie and already won a game for us
What an idiot
Don't do a goddamn thing, just leave it be.
The bears roster is better than the chiefs and bills though… go look at the rosters
Make them happy within reason! You do not continuously bend over back wards trying to make someone great! There is a certain drive for excellence within oneself, that should be everpresent in every NFL player, you are amongst the Best on the Planet! S**t or get off the pot! This is major Business! You only see it as an emotional sport, as oppossed to an extremely high competetive business on every level. That is what makes some of your comments nonsense. Peace. LaMu
saving draft picks to draft interior oline in the first round is peak stupidity. centers and guard barely make a difference. crosby or garrett make the bears the scariest defense in the nfl
But the Bears do such a great job drafting O-linemen 😂😂
@@ttaylor758 poles has drafted 1 every year. he drafts a highly athletic tackle. this is smart as you can move tackles inside.
- braxton is very serviceable
- wright is good and has a chance to eventually be great
- amegadjie is still an unknown.
i think poles is doing it the right way. dont pass on premium positions to build oline. even passing on carter for a right tackles wasnt a great move. imagine Carter on our Dline? he'd be unstoppable as a DE right now.
Not worthy!!!
This fanbase doesn’t want to win or understand that this is at most a 3 1/2 year window to go completely all in with a rookie QB. Anyone who says draft OL heavy is literally the dumbest person ever you don’t put 4 dam rookies on the OL to protect your franchise QB and expect to win or go far next year you need proven vets. Screw the picks go trade for a premium edge to complete that defense then in FA go sign a LT, C & LG then in the draft get a RG then in the rest of the draft go best player available or depth at OL to develop behind your win now OL so you can replace them when Caleb is due an extension and do that every year like the Patriots did and like the Chiefs do now. It takes years to build an OL through the draft Bears don’t have years to waste. I hate this mindset of hoarding picks just because there is no guarantee any of the players they draft pan out and now you just wasted another season of Caleb’s rookie contract. When you have your QB on a rookie contract like Caleb draft picks don’t matter anymore you found your guy now what matters is proven guys already in the NFL to go and try to win a Super Bowl when you start worrying about the draft picks again is when you pay Caleb because you need to supplement that high end proven vets with younger talent and if done right you do it like the Patriots and Cheifs did/do which is you have to hit on your later round picks and you create a “farm system” in the background while you are going all in.
This is definitely the time. The division is only getting better. If there’s guys like Max and Garrett who are generational then go get them. They won’t get them in the draft. Look at Trevon walker, he’s was the first edge off the board and Jags might trade him. We need a difference makers and that is miles or max. Plus it blocks Detroit. Let’s go pull a premium piece now!
This is not the time to trade all our picks and go all in. We’re not at that level yet. Maybe we will be next year. Like they said we might need to replace 60% of our o line and good o linemen don’t hit free agency often. We need our picks this draft
i agree with you 100%. go get great players. don’t save draft picks to draft centers in the first round. that’s the peak of stupidity
No this is exactly what pace would have done. Utilize next years top picks on offensive line and sign an edge rusher
Thank goodness you are not the GM
@@Logie_Mills
- What if the Bears want to give Kiran a shot at LT next year and have no plans of drafting a LT?
- What if the Bears, like many teams, think its a waste of high draft picks to take an interior lineman with a 2nd round draft pick?
- What if there are no great FA DE's next year?
What i like about poles is that he want to be great at every positions. He just doesnt draft average prospects to fill holes.