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Carmine of RedTeamReview and Preston Jacobs discuss all things A Song of Ice and Fre and everything in between from the characters, to theories and even the latest episodes and news from HBO's television adaptation: Game of Thrones. New episodes debut every month on either Carmine or Preston's channels as well as SoundCloud.
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The show drove probably a few million people who never ever would have read A Song of Ice and Fire to do so. I know I myself am one of them. I had zero interest in fantasy until I was convinced to watch GOT. The show didn’t end well but it was the best thing that ever happened to George R. R. Martin
Same I read the first book after season six and then the rest between seasons seven and eight and by now i read them all multiple times
Though when i started watching the show i didn’t know it was fantasy 😅
The first 4 seasons were the best thing to happen to Gorge the last seasons may have actually heart his future book sales. 😂
Isn't it the opposite, people are burning to get a better ending@@Promislandzion
Tbf season one did get me into the books. It's possible I wouldn't have run across them if HBO hadn't picked it up. The season one crew really brought the story to life.
I had not read a fantasy series since I was young and read LOTR. Until GOT. After watching 3 season of Thrones I read the books. Then I read his novellas. Then I read his history of books. And the book series is so much deeper and overall just better. And yeah I definitely wouldn’t have found my love for ASOIAF without the HBO series. Which I also love…except for seasons 6 and 7 lol.
Season 5 had "thronesy" moments as Carmine says, but the nonsensical story writing and just spinning on wheels kill any enjoyment that could be taken from those scenes.
Season 5 is the beginning of the end, and an awful season. It's full of pointless chewing the scenery where the plot doesn't move at all and then some shock moments forcefully move the story along.
Cersei's walk of shame didn't change her character, she already hated everybody and didn't learn anything from giving power to the Faith.
Jon's death changed nothing, he remained the same dummy after getting killed and resurrected.
Stannis died because they made the greatest general in Westeros forget about basic tactics.
Littlefinger has no plan, he just does random shit and stares at people menacingly. He should have at least been involved in the Olyvar plot against Loras to get into Cersei's good graces.
I forget what happens in Essos, because it's so boring and nonsensical. Oh, right, the people turn to the Sons of the Harpy and start to hate Dany because she killed someone who killed a member of the Harpies. Great logic there.
You are 100% right about all of the above. To me , littlefinger having no plan is the worst thing they did. Probably because of how obvious they made it seem very early on that petyr and varys both have nothing but carefully thought out game PLANS.
@@Ims51 Exactly. I kind of hate Littlefinger, because he's obviously self-serving, and no-one would tolerate a guy like him. However, in the first seasons he was interesting and clearly had a plan.
@@psevdhome yea, it is better to hate a character than to just be bored with them in every scene they are in for 2 seasons. Littlefinger and varys turned from super interesting to just walking around like idiots.
@@Ims51 Sorry I am a retard. My personal feelings about a character are irrelevant.
Littlefinger was well written at the beginning and then they just made him stupid and killed him. The whole shadow war in King's Landing was very interesting. The dreck we got later was very disappointing.
Ser 20 of House Good-men, that was Stannis' undoing. He was by far my favorite character
Bridgerton is not set in ‘Victorian’ England. It is set during the ‘Regency’ period. Around the ending of the Napoleonic Wars. The first book starts in 1813.
Assuming the books timeline goes for around a decade, it will be eventually set in the Victorian era which started in 1820.
It's also anachronistic and bad.
@@shawnnesbit7314it's purposefully anachronistic. That's not inherently good or bad. You don't have to like it, but that aspect has nothing to do with its quality.
@@fox2569 The Victorian era began in 1837
I've had a hard time rewatching. For me the quality of the first few seasons still holds up, but the quality of the last few seasons really takes the wind out of the sails of some previously exciting arcs. It's hard to get excited about Arya or Dany crossing the narrow sea when I know it doesn't lead to anything interesting, for example. Bran's story was never my favourite, but now that I know that all of his scenes after season 2 are just a slow march towards disappointment, he's borderline unwatchable. There are still many enjoyable aspects of the show, but I find it hard to care about anything once the characters are on the way to their respective "late game" arcs.
I'm currently re-watching the series and just finished S7 E4 and I can't tell you how many times I've burst out laughing hysterically in the last few episodes simply bc of the things Dany says. For example when Olenna, Yara and Ellaria want her to attack Kings Landing right away but she preceded to tell them she won't kill innocent people in Kings Landing. There are many other instances in those first few episodes of S7 with Dany that were so cringe when knowing in just a few more episodes she torched the city out of nowhere. I honestly feel like I'm torturing myself watching it all over again or maybe I'm in some weird delusion that the Old God's are going to intervene somewhere and rewrite the ending and make it 4 more seasons long.
I agree the show did not tarnish the legacy of the books. The books are so good that they made two hacks like D and D relevant. And that’s an accomplishment
Actually, GRRM has killed 4 POV characters (Eddard, Catelyn, Jon Snow and Quentyn Martell) and Jon Connington has greyscale so doesn't have much time.
Cat isn’t ded
@@fazediamond5671 But she was killed, and she didn't come back to being a POV character after being revived.
He killed Arys.
@@hardlo7146 Thanks, Feast and Dance were so confusing to me when I first read them (with all the subplots and the amount of characters) that I didn't register that part.
Stanmis was a pretty big character that died after Oberyn. Wasn't POV in the books but up until his death i would say the show made him a bigger character than Davos was.
Red wedding. That's the first thing I thought of after reading the title.
The problem after that. The episodes were hit or miss. Where imo everything was great up to the red wedding.
The royal wedding? Hound v. Brienne? Tyrion's trial/Mountain v. Viper/confrontation with Tywin & Shea and escaping?
Well, to be fair, the other storylines do take a bit of a lull
Somewhere along the way I may rewatch it.
It speaks to how unrealistically low Game of Thrones is perceived today, that a random dude feels comfortable going on youtube saying season 1 was great and the rest was OK or shit. This statement can only age embarrassingly. Because sooner or later the genjutsu of recency bias will wear off and the world will go “what?? Did this dude say?”.I can’t even begin to explain how many levels of wrong this is.
Don’t get it twisted - the rest of fantasy themed television STILL aspires to even the low points of GoT.
I agree with every single word you spoke mate!! This video is nonsense. I absolutely despise the last season of game of thrones. But even with that being said I have never had a better experience watching a tv show than game of thrones. I’ve seen a lot of shows but game for thrones is the most fun experience I’ve ever had watching a show. The disrespect that it receives nowadays is absolutely ridiculous. It s the most epic tv show of all time, and it hits a higher peak than any show ever did. Heck even with the bad last season I still put game off thrones over every tv show not named THE WIRE.
I’m sorry but ur telling me if not season 1 came out, and never a season 2 we would be here discussing game of thrones in all its fandom today? Sorry that was a horrible take, how did got peak s1
I have a theory that D&D were perfectly aware of Jaime’s line about never caring about the innocents and how fans would receive it. They ruined his character on purpose out of sheer vindictiveness and spitefulness because of the fan backlash of season 7.
Wasn't the point of that line that he only cares about his sister? I never buyed that Jamie cared for the millions LOL.
As much as s5-End sucked, the Jaime regression hate I actually don't really agree with. It was a horrible line, him saying he "never" cared about the innocent, but otherwise, yeah he just went back to his true love, it overtook his positive growth, it was a little gray, he cared about doing the right thing and he still wanted his girl. They should have tossed that Innocents line, but he basically showed that compared to being with Cersei when it counted, the Innocents didn't matter as much in the end
@@DibsEquipped The point was that he only cared ab his sister. The reason we hate that line is that he literally ruined his entire reputation and destroyed his image in the minds-eye of possibly hundreds or thousands of people in order to save half a million random civilians from being burned alive by the mad king. He demonstrated for multiple seasons that he cared about human life over his sister, then did a complete 180 for no discernable reason and went back to Cersei.
@johnrechtien2632 also... as recently as a few episodes prior, leaving Cersei to fight for... the people 😂 a Jaime who "never really cared about the people" would've been like "yas queen slay" when Cersei revealed she planned on doublecrossing Jon & Dany.
D&D were so bad, they not only took a big steamy shart on the books, but also couldn't even keep up with their own show canon.
@@DibsEquippeda major point of the tale is having these young adults’ expectations of honor and justice be completely demolished and then see that destroyed idea in a younger counterpart so Jamie sees knighthood in Brienne, the Hound sees chivalry in Sansa, Tyrion sees optimism in Penny etc so having Jamie just completely reject the knighthood and honor that brought him to the Kings Guard and made him a King Slayer completely undid his character arc AND a major theme of the series. Just highly unnecessary and untrue to the story
The show reminded me of a John Boorman film when it started and a Michael Bay film when it ended.
Season four is when DnD stopped listening to George at all and he dropped from the show as a writer
It is also where it became quite clear they’re skipping almost a whole book, Feast for crows. Season six is when it became clear it was becoming sh1t even for us who didn’t read the books, but in the meantime most people did read them and looking back it’s just such a clear view that season five , where dumb and dumber completely took over the reigns, is where it goes downhill
To be fair, GRRM was not dropped. By his own account, he stopped writing show episodes because he realized he really needed to try to focus on finishing TWOW, even though we know how well that turned out.
@dw1419 He "realized he needed to focus on it" because D&D were running roughshod over the story and skipping tons of material he thought would give him more time. He stepped away because they wouldn't listen
@@McHobotheBobo George is actually quoted on YT and the interwebz saying what I said. Your theory could be true but there isn't actual evidence for it. He did say he thought they could have gotten more seasons' worth of content out of the Feast/Dance combo, but that was never realistic IMHO given the actual amount of plot progression vs rabbit holes in both of those books.
@dw1419 No more speculative than any other answer. (F)Aegon alone could have gotten them another season worth of content and is hardly a "rabbit hole" - he's a central plotline! Also, they left out *so much magic,* like Lady Stoneheart and the Direpack that would have added a ton to the show in terms of intrigue and duration
THANK YOU yes, finally someone who knows what they're talking about, not just dnd apologists @@McHobotheBobo
Honestly, there's not as much sex in the books as there is in the show. It left me surprised.
No as the early parts
Rob and joffreys deaths were major deaths. Tommens suicide was too, to a lesser degree, but it was the biggest shock of that episode. Iconic window scene.
I mean the middle ages weren't super violent for the most part. Sure, for the average person it was more dangerous than today and life in general held less intrinsic value societally (but so is every other time period of history), but not as dangerous as the time period is often depicted.
I had forgotten about playboy channel squiggles
ah memories
they also kill stannis lol
how can you not mention that they had tyrion kill tywin lol, also joffrey was an insane death as well for first time viewers
and the tysha story context and tysha being omitted from tyrion and jaime's last meeting only for them to hang out in season 7 and 8 then jaime just says fuck it
Tyrion killing Tywin feels good, though the Tysha context (I found out afterward) makes it even more cathartic
“Let’s be honest they are not better than season 1” bruh what ? Bizarre take man
I rewatch season 1-4 but that's it.
The sequels prepped in season 8 were Aryas new adventures and Jon north of the wall.
I hope someone else has said this, but Brigerton is set during the reign of Queen Victoria's **grandparents'** King George III & Queen Charlotte
It's not just "bad pussy" that we remember about season five. We also remember Jaime and Bronn's idiotic mission to Dorne; Ellaria's insane plan to start a war; Meereen being dull as dirt; Barristan getting killed in some back alley; the eunach-translator love story; Stannis burning Shireen.
There's still a lot of good stuff in season five. The cast is still kicking ass; Mance has a great sendoff in the opener; Cersei's troubles with the Faith. It also is the only season without Bran, so it gets points for that.
3:28 y’all gotta be high..Ned death was the only thing to happen in Season 1 lol
Red wedding was when I started to get invested in the show… Before that, I wasn’t super engaged… But the last couple of seasons went downhill. The last season was atrocious.
You watched 3 seasons unengaged then got excited when a lot of heroes got killed ? Huh? SMH man
Love your pod guys! Can I suggest a podepisode idea? Have a episode without HotD GoT ASOIAF The Witcher LotR RoP WoT and give us a break from it with talk on books that has not been adapted thats on your list of potentional Series or Movies!
Ned dyin was the peak agreed 😂
I was gonna rewatch the series after the ending. But i was so bummed i didnt
N probably never will
they killed littlfinger as well, terribly
There really needed to be a resolution of narrative tension between his and Varys's machinations.
How forgettable this death was is a very telling point in the whole ‘meaningful death’ conversation…
The bad begins to creep in in season 4, 5 is mostly bad, 6 tries to be a different show and is better for it, 7 and 8 there is nothing good left
Season 4 is amazing
Idk I think they could’ve went about it in another way but the scene where he wipes stuff off the girl’s chin/mouth was showing that Littlefinger will sell you poisoned fruit so to speak. Like the guy pays “good money” and gets this beautiful woman on the surface he thinks he’s getting something really good but we the viewers see the grossness underneath. And on another level it shows the vileness and depravity of the lords of Westeros. That even the minor characters off screen are just as bad as the main characters we actually follow. It sets a tone.
She was a prostitute. The guy was paying for a prostitute. Littlefinger sold him exactly what he paid for.
And no prostitute would ever walk up to a John and just start making out with him. The girl knows better than to do that and the guy would never let her do that. You pay to have sex with them, not have a make out session like you're back in high school. It was just gross shock value/HBO nudity and sex quota that D and D loved to give them because they were hacks even from the start. They just got lucky that the story and characters were so good that it was very hard to ruin if they use the source material. And the minute they stopped the show became a generic cringe fest like every other film and TV show that these clowns have ever had their hands on.,
@jaycee2070. I agree with like 95% of what you said. I think both points can be true. It’s like in class if the teacher is explaining Chekov’s gun and you say “it’s just a gun sitting on the banister that the guy bought years ago”. Yes it is but with the invention of subtext it can be both those things lol.
Season 1 - 4 is still some of the best T.V Ever, then the rest happened.
Season 5 was not very good at all
I haven't rewatched it and probably never will
The Spice channel and squiggly lines
I never re-watched it after season 7 and 8.
I don't understand why people talk about grrm like he's gonna keel over and die any minute or that he's just given up writing. Seems mean-spirited to me.
“Mean spirited”😂😂what? I think people have given up on him writing the books because he hasn’t released an asoiaf in over a decade!!! Why would anyone get their hopes up that he’s going to finish the books?
1 Harsh Reality for Rereading Game of Thrones Full....you cant.
22:27 Joffrey????
Yoooooo. It really be like that
Once they started with the, "bad pu$$y girl" talk, it was pretty much a wrap. I've been watching HoT D fan reactions to GoT and we are on season 4-6 right now. Tyrion's banter was still great. Stannis was chasing after the Iron Bank. When we get to season 5 I expect it to start becoming very cringy, but theyre are still bright spots in those seasons. Battle of the Bastards was great. Watching Danny slip into madness will be interesting this time around
Battle of the Bastards was a cinematic, visual masterpiece but the actual tactics of that battle were atrocious and it kind of ruins it if you know anything about medieval warfare.
Why does the bad pussy line stand out? The character's awful but Bronn and Tyrion have talked about sticking noses and thumbs up bums since S1.
I agree so much. Visually its pretty but I hated that entire sequence because it makes absolutely no fucking sense.@@fox2569
@@fox2569nope. It wasn’t. Crappy battle crappy plot crappy writing even crappy nonsensical action, sorry ur brain was turned off
This man thinks penis jokes is “good banter”
The quality takes a dive after Charles Dance leaves the show. Coincidence?? I. Think. *Not*.
Seasons 2 and 3 aren’t as good as one ? No way man , one was the prologue , great but not inherently better than what came after until season 5
Been a while since I read the books too but I believe the one boob out was in Qarth not Mereen.
Something like that yea
Man these guys just saying bad opinion after bad opinion, not even talking to each other talking points , next
Why does the sex scenes have to "be part of the plot"? Can't they just be part of the setting?
Rewatching this the writer of this was wrong on interest for the spin-off shows as HOTD was a major hit and pretty good
Tldr
1-10. Knowing that the ending is going to suck.
The point the article was trying to make regarding the prequels having a negative effect on the main show was that they dropped the ball with the White Walker storyline because they thought they were going to expand on them in the Blood Moon series. And it’s completely correct. House of the Dragon was not their priority, they wanted to capitalize on Stark popularity thought that prequel would be the next massive show for HBO. But the way they ended the series came back to bite them and the prequel got canned which made their lack of tying up the WW story even worse.
Sooooo I don't know if you guys have sex but, sex doesn't always mean anything. If you're not married sex is usually self serving so I don't know what yall were expecting.
Well true
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says lets be honest, theyre not better than season 1.. smh, i dont like when people present an opinion in an arrogant way like this. whats funny though is from my experience seasons 2/3, maybe even 4 are rated a little higher by most people. season 1 being the best is defo not the consensus
George RR Martin at least has a legacy of starting a new thread of fantasy writers. At the time he released it was kinda JR Tolkien or probably Robert Jordan. Like JV Jones.
Also at least it hasn’t been as long as Melanie Rawn. I’m still waiting 20+ years on for the finale to her Exlies series.
I hate the wheel of time series. The Morraine casting was inspired and makes me wish it was better. However the Perrin storyline pissed me off entirely and I refuse to watch further than episode 4.
Im so glad i watched this show.
Game of thrones is a once in a lifetime experience
Okay, I feel compelled to respond. When they stalk about the Wheel of Time show and say no one absolutely hates it, that's not true. I hate it. I mean I HATE IT! It is an absolute piece of steaming toxified garbage! I LOVE the Wheel! It is in my top three fantasies of all time. But the show absolutely destroyed it. They absolutely massacred book 1 in what they cut., the cuts they made were completely unnecessary. They changed the lore. And the world feels AWEFUL! It feels like a set in a cheap one man play being shown above a meth lab. The whole setting feels fake and completely depopulated! So no. I also know people who hate the show as well. So no, they are wrong.
"The show made Jon more of a protagonist than the books does." lol
Jon has the most POV chapters, after Tyrion, in the books. To pretend that Jon is not one of the main protagonists in the books is to be delusional. Idk wtf is this guy reading. lol
I don’t think there are saying he isn’t a main character in the books. Just less of a typical main hero/protagonist that he is in the show. Makes sense to me
@@benaffolter2663he fits the look and acts like a typical “main protagonist” but i still wouldn’t necessarily call him the “main character” of game of thrones. That show is a true ensemble with no main character. I think tyrion probably had the most storylines out of any character
There's three main plots going on: the war for the throne, Daenerys/stuff across the sea, and the Wall (literally just Jon). So the Mother of Dragons and the bastard on the wall naturally get more attention than the first larger major plot simply because he's THE character for all the walker stuff in the books so far (and in the show until the plots converge in the last seasons). The war for the throne has literally all the other POV characters minus Arya committed to it. Technically Dany is indeed part of the war for the throne, but in the books she's stuck across the sea having her own completely unrelated stuff happening.
Children shouldn't watch sex rather its part of the plot or not. Sex is normally plotless.
why are u torturing yourself
"HBO. It's not television, it's porn. With Emmys." :D
I’ve never even fucking heard of Bridgerton.
They killed oberyn when he seemed to be ascending to a major character.
I loved Season 1 but Season 2-5 made me want to punch out mirrors. Though in Season 5, I loved seeing Doran Martell get killed, it was wonderful. I enjoyed seeing his face as his legacy was ruined. I loved seeing the Martells get cut down one by one.
This show was overhyped, disappointment was inevitable. The show should have been cancelled after Season 1, everyone would have been happy.
Season 2-5 was Drive to Survive not Game of Thrones. S6-7 was a nice revival of the show’s form and a return to the podium was nice then S8 came and ruined everything again. But the fact that the show was so awful from S2-5.
This is by far the most ridiculous comment I’ve read.
@@raymondsims7042 Why? Because not everyone is in the echo chamber. I loved Season 1, hate Season 2-5. Like S6-S7 and hate S8.
Though S5 was entertaining in the sense that it gave me satisfaction with the Dorne plot, they actually made it exciting even if the logic was a bit weird. It makes sense in a way.
Season 1 was by far the best, it is the only season that I can honestly recommend to people.
@@HansDorfmannEliteSniper what?😂😂am I supposed to take this seriously or are you joking?
Bruh what are you smoking lmaoooo
@@milquetoaste7144 Well I am not sure how I can smoke Neuropozyne considering it is injected into the augmentations. I just enjoy seeing this fandom melt down because their awful show got an awful ending.
That is what the show gets for only having glimpses of greatness.
This entire fandom is a hive mind. It is hilarious.
Stannis burning his only sole heir is not a "great moment"
Meh it's implied he'll do that to his daughter in the books.
@@aceb4634 its implied melissandra will do it vis davos faceswapping NOT stannis.
@@perseusveil9376 we talking of gerogy martinez here nvm that most theories go like this.
Cat purring sound was nonexistent, but the other person without the purring cat has a tinny halo around their audio that is reeeeeallly hard to listen through for the audio-sensitive among us. 🤞hope that is easy to fix in the future
Because we read the books we somehow think season 5 is the best lmao gtfo
Bruh, I feel like the guest just has bad take after bad take, and the main guy is like hahah well I disagree . Like bruh when was the shows main aspect some message about violence is horrible , it’s not that simple of a story
I would like to know who was the author of the OG article just so I could doxx that person to hell for saying such dumb things LMAO!
But I won't doxx them, of course...
Not everything should be PLoT ReLEvAnT
I wouldn’t say asoiaf is anti war, it’s not as simple as that.
To me. The whole thing around Theon behavior on sex or his desinvolt attitude is only to give an great emotional importance to what's gonna hapen to him next by Ramsay Bolton. You avoid those scene and it will be just a sadistic charactere who mutilate another one. And for that im greatful to HBO about Theon. But it's true taugh. Must of the Sex scene wasn't appropriate or does not bring any to the scenario. (Belish 2 scenes) But they was 😂 to watch like😎🍿
You called her “Telissa.” You lose all credibility.
Yup pronunciations really matter
@@fazediamond5671 that’s not a pronunciation. It’s the wrong name. Literally.
@@TheKidHastin who cares
@@fazediamond5671 I do. These dudes are monitoring their videos and don’t even know the show. This isn’t two friends talking and one says something wrong. The one says “who cares.” It’s like a teacher giving the wrong capital to a state, and the kid saying, “you’re wrong.” Then a dork teacher across the hall comes and says, “who cares kid, it sounded close.” Haha
What