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The 2023 F1 season, so far at least, has been heavily dominated by Max Verstappen and Red Bull. And that appears to have upset the F1 community, despite us putting up with Mercedes domination between 2014 and 2020. But was that different to what we're going through now? Lets break it down...
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To sum it all up:
- it’s all Ferraris fault
- recency bias
Sort agree with the 2nd one but also it’s been more dominant than 2016 so far
In the post race show, Alonso and Hamilton were saying that they had more pace at times than Verstapen and he's just chilling in the lead 😂
He doesn't even need to push he just chills
I don't think they were looking when he gained 4.2 seconds on Perez in a single lap after Perez came out ahead in the 1st pitstops.
@@basmca1 Verstappen was chasing that gap as if it owed him money, goddamn
@PeterJavi it was pretty nuts
@@PeterJaviVerstappen is like Nijigasaki High School Idol Club, GOATED.
It's worse to the point it starts becoming historic, which is basically now. Like, can Max win 10 in a row? And what after that? Could Red Bull win every race this year? Will Max cross 500 driver points, which admittedly looks inevitable now, as does the fact that Red Bull will win the constructor's title with his points alone....Once all the history stuff kicks in, and there's actually a lot of it, then you get that "well, can he do it" going which changes things.
waiting for him to get 8 WDC
He will win till he retire
well vettel has already (single handedly) won RB the constructors in 2013... and yes he will totally clean out the rest of the season unless he spins off into a wall as that is apparently more likely than a reliability issue. it's the reality nowadays since RB is so incredibly far ahead and there is 0 competition even from perez himself who somehow finds himself qualifying 1 second slower in dry conditions.
You can't be mad at RB for doing the best job atm and at this point I'm here for all of it. If other top teams can't put their shit together, let's rewrite the history books and hope that they'll be able to close the gap next season. Because let's be real, the playing field was equal for everybody coming to new regulations and 9/10 teams fucked up.
@@thatonenigeriansformulaI'd expect he's going to WEC in 2025. Max isn't interested in 8 WDCs.
i feel like one of the reasons the poll was wrong was you never specified the difference of team dominance vs driver dominance
As an old Seb fan I am kind of neutral at the moment so have taken a seat back and enjoyed this season. I do think people are stressing over the Max dominance but we are witnessing history. Also the midfield battles have been incredible. Who cares if it isn’t for the win? It is good racing and that is what F1 is all about. People have been treated by 2021 and just need to accept that this is what F1 is the majority of the time. You don’t need a championship battle for a good year you just need good core racing up and down the grid. Huge congrats to Liam Lawson today and incredible drive well done
This is so true
I want to agree with you on this. We F1 fans were spoiled in 2021 and we definitely love to complain. I even like to consider myself someone who enjoys watching the racing anywhere on the track and this seasons battle for 2nd in the constructors is awesome. But I must confess that I do care about who wins races and championships more. Maybe I’m just a bit bitter this year because I’m not the biggest RB or Max fan. Maybe it’s because it’s not my teams and drivers winning. But I think that there is something more fundamental. Winning matters. I don’t have some profound reasoning, it’s just true, at least for me. I don’t care as much during the bronze medal match of the World Cup as I do about who gets gold. I tune in to the Tour de France mostly to see the person in yellow and those close to taking it, not to watch the Peloton. And I don’t care as much about who gets a podium as I do about who wins. And if you think you don’t, I gotta be honest, I think you’re probably lying to yourself. Great racing is great racing, whether it’s for P1 in an F1 car or P5 in a Stadium SuperTruck, and if I see it I’ll probably watch it. But there’s a reason tears of joy are usually reserved for the top step of the podium.
It's like a football league where 10 teams compete in the same field at the same time. People still follow it, even tho one team is miles ahead.
Well let’s make it better! Imagine if the Yankees won every single year
@@bigwoodbury88 Yankees are baseball, not football 😂
It's not Red Bull dominance, it's Max verstappen Dominance.
Just look at the average finishing position for the drivers and that's all you need to know. (Sprints not included)
Max Verstappen 1.15
Sergio Perez 4.23
Lewis Hamilton 4.46
Fernado Alonso 4.23
It is very much a Verstappen dominance as much as 2020 and the like were Hamilton dominances. It's just another case of a very good driver and a very good car working too well together. But that's all F1 was ever about.
Thats because the no.2 driver is shit
@@loadcorruption1680It isn't exactly the same as the gap between Max and Checo is bigger than the gap between Hamilton and Bottas.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten While that is true, it was still an Hamilton dominance, you can see that by their win-rates over the whole season. 2016 was a true Mercedes dominance though.
If max had a teammate who was even close to his level then it would be red bull dominance but unfortunately red bull have broken check and he is but a shadow of his former self. Yet isn't it funny that after 2016, when bottas was at Mercedes everyone was still saying its not Lewis, it's just the car, and I can almost guarantee that bottas finishing position would have been similar to what checo has now. Yet that was always called Mercedes domination. The level of hypocrisy amongst f1 fans has gotten ridiculous. Notice also how perez has come out again and said the car was developed away from him he was more competitive with max when the car suited his style more. But unfortunately red bull put all of there eggs into one basket, which makes for boring races. I mean zandvoort wasn't even that great of a race in the grand scheme of things, but as we as f1 fans are completely starved of any form of competitive racing for a while, it made zandvoort appear more exciting than it was. I guarantee you that if you had, Fernando, Lewis, George, Charles or lando in that red bull, we would be getting a red bull 1-2 every week just like we did with Mercedes in 2014-2016.
Grossjean auditioning for Oppenheimer... You dont avoid the spicy jokes, you steer right into them
2020 also felt more dominant because it was just OLD at that point. MB was in the 7th year of dominance and had a clear 1-2 order. With Ferrari neutered after the fuel flow trick, it was clear we were in for another year of Lewis easily qualifying first and leading start to finish.
Max feels worse because it feels like year 9 of this nonsense, just with a different Lewis in front… and we have that recent memory of the fierce racing in 2021.
Yeah without 2021 I do wonder if we would all just be resigned to thinking this is just how F1 works. One driver on one team basically win’s everything until they are declared champs then the fun part of the season starts.
Than you should come to terms with it, it was clearly seen in F1 history at the lattest in the 80s that with cars becommen more reliable that dominant streaks would and will continue to happen.
At the end of the day, everybody hates a winner. Everyone hated Schumacher until Vettel came along, then they started reminiscing about Michael. Then, everyone hates on Vettel, until #blessed gets behind the wheel of the Mercedes and they only have good things to say about dear old Seb. Now Max is in charge, and everyone hates it, so Lewis seems like a balm in comparison.
You’re bang on with this!
@@FP1Willi never hated micheal because he earned in his early years. It made sense why he dominated through the early 2000s. Doesnt make sense now with vettel,lewis or max
@@SD-mi2vcmax spent years at red bull waiting for things to come together. He took the fight to the dominant force in the sport and managed to win (maybe with a bit of help but that's beside the point). Lewis and Seb both joined their teams at good times but still had to see off teammates and rivals from other teams
Like, if there were more than one winner per year, we wouldn't care.
I don’t hate Max, I hate the comedy of errors that gave him his first title. I could be happy for the guy and happy that Lewis was dethroned but the ending of that season had left such a sour taste in my mouth that I haven’t watched a race since. If I can’t trust that the race director won’t break the rules I can’t have faith in the sport.
To me it feels like when Schumacher got away with wrecking Damon Hill and taking the title, another time when they failed to do the right thing and gave the win to the wrong guy.
Only a handful of generations gets to experience the record setting we get to witness now. Look at the other 19, there is plenty of racing happening and the season will still have a lot of entertainment for the casual and more dedicated fan alike. My hope is that those complaining for the sake of complaining should just form a little community where they can tire each other out. Adrian Newey deserves the milestones his design and engineering leadership is currently writing into the history books.
At least in the Mercedes domination era, Ferrari and Red Bull were winning semi regularly, thanks to mechanical failures and such. Nowadays there is no jeopardy at all, given that the Red Bull is twelve seconds a lap faster than everyone else, and is crazy reliable. However, as an Aston Martin fan, this year hasn't been that bad...
twelve seconds a lap faster?
@@trc7343 yes
If you look at the qualifying wins Mercedes in 2016 had a qualifying win every race except 1 which where 60% Hamilton and 40% Rosberg. So in 2016 you could say it was the car doing the work and both drivers were around the same. But right now in 2023 so far red bull has already lost 3 qualifyings and of the qualifying wins they did get checo got 2 and Max got 9 so thats about 82% to 18% so its more driver than car
Personally speaking, this season is all Max, not Red Bull. The main reason that it felt like its bad is because its boring for anyone who doesn't like Max or Redbull. This was going to happen though, especially since 2021 was the best year in Formula 1 in the modern era, arguably in the entire history. 2021 is the best is the exact same thing of why 2023 is the worst. Two entire teams at war with each other, Max and Lewis being the main fighters, while everyone else was trying to avoid getting caught up in the maelstrom. Drama of the cost cap coming into play, different calls, and unexpected wins all helped in making 2021 one of the best seasons to watch. That was the season people wished Formula 1 can show every year.
2023 is just Max running away with it. Half the time I just play the game of, "Is anyone else going to lead the race other than Checo?" game, and for a bit it was the same answer. Not only that, but other than Daniel getting back into F1 after a terrible showing from De Vries, nothing else is going on. Sure we can talk about Alonso bring Aston Martin to height no one expected and created a fun wildcard, but that also died down as the season went on. Seeing McLaren possibly in the fighting is nice, but at this point everyone else is racing for second since Max leads the entire grid on his own. Max is hitting 339 points while the entire Mercedes outfit just got past 250.
This not that this domination is the worst, its that there is nothing else to distract us from it like years prior.
It's that Max and RBR were showing signs of it being a golden partnership through the years, especially in the early 2020's. And now it's truly showing that fact, only at a level probably not seen since maybe even the Clark x Chapman Team Lotus days?
its all Red Bull and FIA this season. I still believe there is some corruption between FIA and Red Bull, most noticable end of season 2021 when they decided to rob Lewis H. from his 8th record breaking win because he is black.
@julian2626 Everyone knew that when RB gave Max this type of car, we would see this type of domination.
Yeah. I'm loving this season. I think Max is going to win 10 WDCs. That's all I need to say.
Bang on. How ridiculously close the rest of the field is playing into the overstatement of red bulls dominance. If the 2nd best car didn’t change every week or two checo would probably be down in 4th in the standings. Ferrari mclaren Aston and merc have all spent weekends being the 2nd fastest car stealing points away from one another making the gap to red bull appear even larger, if it weren’t for that it would further showcase just how far max is from checo in the same machine and in turn everyone else.
This video couldn't possibly be controversial
Not in the slightest
redbull isnt dominating. the rest is lacking
We should have seen this coming. In the few seasons before 2021..Verstappen and Red Bull were getting stronger and stronger each passing season.
It was clear IMMEDIATELY that Verstappen was a once in a generation type talent when he first came in as a 17 yr old in 2015...when you have a driver with that kind of talent and he develops as he should and gets a GREAT car with an average teammate..this is what happens.
I am not surprised by this turn of events. The only way we'll have a title battle between now and 2026 is if Perez gets replaced ( he will be if he keeps performing like this) with a Norris/ Leclerc type driver.
I can say right now that Verstappen will probably retire earlier than most F1 greats of the past because he also started earlier...
I am not bored exactly..just resigned...this is like the greatest stretch of domination in the history of the sport..even Schumacher has never done this. I can't remember the last time Max finished below 2nd....it's a crazy run he's on but the cracks are starting to appear...
Norris and McLaren are where Max and RedBull were in mid to late 2019..so it's just a matter of time before we get Max vs Lando on a weekly basis
I fully agree. I love max, i think he's an incredible talent and I don't think he's stopped growing. It kinda scares me to think he could become even better. He's still so young. But especially today at Zandvoort showed how fun F1 really is when there's different conditions and Fighting for positions all over the grid.
Hope he really retire quickly after he won everything he wanted
i actually see RB on a downward trend after 2026. can their own powertrain department create a PU as strong as honda? i believe aston martin will be the next dominant force as they have a brand new state of the art facility and a honda partnership unique to the rest of the grid which allows them to tailor it to their car.
McLaren are extremely hit or miss so not sure exactly they’ll be the ones capable of taking the fight to Red Bull. When their car isn’t slow their strategy is poor (like today), and vice versa. Maybe their new wind tunnel will be enough to put them over the edge tho because if given a title challenger Lando can certainly take the fight to Max
I was thinking the same thing about Norris and McLaren today. It seems to be a very similar situation to what Shumacher did with Ferrari and what Max has done with Red bull.
As someone who has been watching F1 for over 40 years I honestly think we’re watching the best F1 driver ever in Max. Lewis is a great driver but I never felt he was on another level with the Mercedes team behind during a dominant era.
I'd hard disagree, A Max doesn't have any competition from another team and Perez was getting caught by Ocon and Zhou in the wet.
When you don't have to push because your car is much better and your teammate is bad. No risk. Max is excellent, one of the best ever. But this isn't his best season ever. That's 21, and he had a hard fight with Hamilton. And Red Bull have said, they think they had the better car for most of the season.
I don't think Max is having his best season because he hasn't had to push, and honestly, anyone who says that anyone is the best driver ever is just a fan of that driver.
@@Zachary_McLaren that’s a fair reply but I think time will prove that Max is on another level even though I don’t think he’ll remain in F1 to break championship records. In all my years following F1 I’ve never seen talent like him and Brazil in the rain was when I 1st thought he was a genuine great in the making. As a fan for over 40 years I’m actually a fan of the sport and not 1 driver or team so consider myself a neutral and only time and win ratios will confirm if I’m correct on my assessment of Max
@Zachary_McLaren besides no other driver pulling off what Max did in 2021. Just check out the statistics below. Statistics!!!! Not opinions
Max Verstappen
2016 - 3rd best car - 1 win
2017 - 3rd best car - 2 wins
2018 - 3rd best car - 2 wins
2019 - 3rd best car - 3 wins
2020 - 2nd best car - 2 wins
2021 - 2nd best car - 10 wins
2022 - best car - 15 wins
2023 - best car - 10 wins
Lewis Hamilton
2016 - best car - 10 wins
2017 - best car - 9 wins
2018 - best car - 11 wins
2019 - best car - 11 wins
2020 - best car - 11 wins
2021 - best car - 8 wins
2022 - 3rd best car - 0 wins
2023 - 2nd best car - 0 wins
Max Verstappen is better when the car is not the best.
Max Verstappen is better when the car is the best
Statistically speaking. =)
@@Lanse1984this doesn’t take into account having a strong teammate. Hamilton was battling Rosberg who won a WC. Perez meanwhile is flying off the racetrack in comparison, so it’s far easier
@@Lanse1984 I mean. You basically cut off all of Hamilton's career before 2016. Plus, in 2021 RB and Merc were equal best. Only reason why Merc won constructors on the last race is because RB had more retirements and Perez in his first season drove like crap. Especially in qualifying. Makes rookie mistakes.
2008 - 2nd best car - 5 wins
2009 - 3rd/4th best car - 2 wins
2010 - 2nd/3rd best car - 3 wins
2011 - 2nd/3rd best car - 3 wins
2012 - 2nd/3rd best car - 3 wins
2013 - 3rd best car - 1 win
Also, you're just looking at wins. What about pole positions in 2nd/3rd best car? 0 for Max in 2016, 2017 and 2018. Ricciardo had 3. Hamilton has a record of 15 seasons in a row of pole positions from 2007-2021 some of the years Mclaren wasn't the fastest. In 2011, the only non-Redbull driver to have pole position. And this season so far he's the only non-Redbull driver on pole.
Merc 2014-2016 there was a fight for the title between the Mercs at least
Merc 2017-2020 Valtteri performed better than Perez and the Merc had the odd weekend were they'd struggle allowing other teams to fight for the win
Red Bull is doing what Merc did in 2016 or McLaren in 1989, but with only one driver, there's absolutely no fight and no hope of a weekend where they're off the pace, that's what's making it even more boring
Yep, if Lewis had this Perez as a team mate in 16, he'd have swept the year. Only dropping races to engine failure.
2017-2018 Mercedes at least had Ferrari and Seb to pester them. If Seb hadn't binned it at Hockenheim, he might have been able to take the title in 2018. But that's a pretty far fetch.
You obviously not a F1 fan but a person's fan not being Max!
"Title fight"
We're also comparing completed seasons with a season that is (only) 60% completed. The only if it weren't for Hamilton and Rosberg trying to murder each other they would've won the first 15 races in a row.
Then theres the competition in the other positions, where teams like Aston Martin started off really well and later fell off (only to show some serious pace again today), Mercedes improving over the year and McLaren rocketing past most other teams all of a sudden with a few upgrades.
Lastly the past years there has been a massive influx of new (young) fans (who are very welcome to the sport) who haven't experienced older eras of domination and are more vocal online than the fans of the Schumacher/Hamilton era. So together with recency bias the insane walls of screams on twitter and youtube do make it feel like 2023 is worse.
Red bull could lose 50% of the next races and people will still yell at them for "ruining" the sport.
The moment a title fight fades away the season just gets forgettable for me. F1 lives from the excitement, drama and epic title fights. This year has been more than forgettable, not even a surprise upset. As someone who has been sorta following F1 for my whole life and a bit more since 2010 until I got fully invested in 2016, I just have more memories about seasons like 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2016 and 2021. If I had to rank them, these are the top seasons. 2007 didn't make the list cause without Schumacher the interest in F1 for us Germans kinda just went away for a bit so I really didn't see many races. At least I didn't miss the absolutely chaotic ones. Only 1 exception to that rule is 2022 but I have a crush on Mick so uh yeah that explains that, not like I'm salty about a lot of things from that season. But that's good, keeps you invested in this crazy sport.
Spoken like a true German! 😂
Also the budget cap stops teams from buying their way out of mistakes unlike 2014-2020
Yeah I think that has hit Mercedes hard.
@Lanse1984 Merc's biggest loss was losing James Vowles to Williams- that was very apparent early in the race yesterday when strategy was paramount
Well at least Ricciardo’s back, right guys.
about that.......
Huh....
How do we tell him
well just let him for the moment he can cry later@@BlueflagAlpha
Ironically, it feels like deja vu. I honestly worry about if people are going to start perceiving Max in the same light as Lewis or Vettel in their dominant years (*especially* 2013 Vettel, oh boy...) True, in the entertainment department, seeing the same cars win the races and dominate every single day is boring stuff, but it's also a testament to how *impressive* it is to build a dynasty like that. In other sports, we often see teams being frontrunners every year, but constantly having a stranglehold on every title every year is becoming less and less likely. The only example I can really come up with is Man City's threepeat and Bayern Munich *dominating* the Bundesliga for the past decade.
In addition, we should also appreciate how *good* Max really is with these drives, at least in the moment, much like we should've done with Lewis and Vettel. Sure, they're in the best cars, they're with the best teams, but it truly takes a great bit of talent to make those cars *win,* too.
But that's just my five cents on the matter.
honestly I am personally loving the domination, max deserved this and he is shining in the spotlight
Until you realize how easy modern F1 cars are to drive and how that car is develop around only one driver. Liberty media has successfully sold "the new goat" image to fans and now it is taking effect.
@@t.k3579 If it's so easy, why don't you do it? Especially that RB must be easy to drive, just ask Perez. You idiot.
@@t.k3579 you realize that those are 1000 horse power cars, very heavy when compared to F1 cars of the past, and they have no ABS, no TC, no system to help drivers make the car stable, not to mention those crazy lateral G forces, and you say these cars are easy to drive? I don't know what you're smoking my friend, but I think I want some too.
@@adriancojocaru5846 You realize F1 cars back then doesn’t have a ton of electronic components, no battery, no magic button to help overtaking and they all depended on mechanical grip right? Not metioning these 2022 cars are oversized and overweighted (in the name of “safety”) even an average joe could crash it at 200mph and walk away intact.
In my opinion we have never before seen a driver as good as max is , in a car as good as that redbull is, I am fairly certain max is one of the best f1 drivers ever, and I am also fairly certain the rb19 is one of the best designed cars to see the grid, Adrian Newey and Max are a hell spawn for f1 success.
At the moment, Red Bull don't have as much of a pace advantage over the runner-up as Mercedes did in for example 2018. The RB-19 is, without a doubt, the best car on the grid right now, but it's not as dominant as Mercedes were in their years of glory.
@@andrew9021considering the tightness of current regs and atr limits, its wild how dominant red bull currently is. Also, red bull would easily have bigger win margins if max wasn't coasting from lap 1 to the end (something that mercedes couldnt do very often after 2016 because of ferrari.) Its truly impressive.
@@QuackingEldrich_101 It’d be very interesting to see max in something other than a championship winning car I feel like
@andrew9021 you are welcome to look at 2016 until 2021
@@CrashperM In his current form I mean, like how Seb and Schumi went to Ferrari
It's not Lewis had 7 years of being 2 seconds faster per lap than everyone else. Max has 2 years of being one second faster than everyone else and everyone loses their minds
It's not like Lewis had 3 big opponents
( Rosberg, Vettel, Verstappen )
How to tell other people you're a max Verstappen fan without telling them
The red bull is way further ahead of what the merc was ahead of the rest
In 2017 and 2018 Ferrari was closer, and Hamiltom at least had a string teammate when Rosberg was there
@@theracingguy4739 you know that Merc engineers admitted they were running their PUs at about 70% and their drivers were pulling 2-3 seconds a lap in front of competition after safetycar. Look it up. RB19 is not nearly as dominant. But if Alonso was a driver in that Mercedes this year, he would be way in front of Perez in the standings, and he might have had a chance of winning in Monaco, but seeing how good Max is these days, it would have been very hard.
I think F1 fans have been spoiled compared to other motorsports. Many of the other racing series have had dominant drivers/riders. I grew up watching motocross/Supercross in the US and those series were dominated by McGrath and then Carmichael. Even Nascar will get periods of time when one driver will just be way ahead.
No F1 fans are just too stubborn to accept the fact that F1 had dominant sprees for at least the last 30 to 40 years and that close fights earlier were more to cars being more unreliable than anything else. We can cearly see since at least the 90s that dominant seasons become more regular as reliability for cars goes up and that is with the cars of the 90s and early 00s from the now perspective seeming as total shitboxes reliablity wise.
Btw, can not wait to watch your post Dutch gp 1. Hope you where there and will show all that amazing atmosphere, for sure the best fan crowd in the World.
You should do a video on the qualifying deltas from 1st-2nd and if the team is 1-2 compare the team delta to 3rd. Then compare those deltas to this seasons 1st-last qualifying delta. I think it would be more telling of how competitive a team is verses how competitive a driver. Mercedes was dominant in 2016 but max is incredible in 2023.
It's recency bias and it's the fact that no matter how impartial you try to be, you'll always have favourites. ANd those favourites will always cloud your judgment.
Other thing is that the sport is way bigger now so way more people are seeing this and talking about this dominance vs when Hamilton was doing it for multiple years
I see it like something way more interesting. Is like watching someone breaking a video game, I bet Summoning Salt will make a video about Verstappen's speed run to the title.
the challenge to beat verstappen.
Someone should tell him to do this
first we need someone to challenge verstappen. otherwise it is like jimmypoopins in 2007. so maybe wait until norris catches up and gets his first few wins and then verstappen says okay i will try hard again@@BlueflagAlpha
Modern F1. Me- It'll do.
That adjustable desk. Me- Fuck yes, I want that.
THANK YOU! Everyone seems to think I'm a worshipper of Lewis for complaining that this year is the most boring I've ever witnessed, and I've been watching my entire life, since the very early 90s. It's not just that the same guy keeps winning - it's that he has zero competition. There's no real rivalry for him or any other driver, and looking down the grid there's, uh... Alpine having a meltdown? Nothing interesting is going on. At their peaks, both Schumacher and Hamilton had thorns in their sides in various forms. Even off-track, almost nothing is happening aside from the De Vries fiasco, which was for the slowest car on the grid!
You can't really compare 2016 to 2020 or this season. In all of those aforementioned seasons, one team dominated but at least it was between two drivers (The Silver War). Now it's just one driver.
Meanwhile in nascar we had a 6 way title fight for 2 and a half months
And we had 10 drivers less than 150 points of 1st position
You have playoffs and spec cars, you don't count
This is literally the "Under new management" meme.
Hopefully it improves in the next few races since it seems like other teams are gaining but i wonder if this will all be futile as they rock up next year with an ICBM of a car again.
I think they are gonna get caught next season.
The current season wouldn't have been this boring if there was no cost cap. Because Red Bull got the regs dead right last year it will be extremely difficult for others to catch up. Not to mention lack of tyre crossovers, uncertainty in tyre performance all these thigs make up a boring season.
For me it’s not as bad as the Mercedes years just yet, because I feel like there is much more going on behind Verstappen than it was behind Hamilton and at this point I kinda don’t care about what Verstappen is doing anymore.
3:43. The 2014 season the percentage was 84, not 80. they won 16 races out of 19 so 16/19 =84%
I think it is a very interesting and competitive season so far, to be sure one of the best i can remember and im watching f1 since 1975. But you must take out Max from the equation, cause obviously he is an alien from outer space desguised, inthe quest for them to blend into our World and ultimately reach fully dominance by blinding us all with orange.
In the desk commercial i thought you were watching Pr*n hahahaha; I had to go back couple of times to see it hahaha so... I watch your commercial couple of times :P
There were some Easter eggs in there… though nothing like that!
It feels different because it's Max. Back when it was Lewis and Mercedes, they still occasionally lost because of stupid mistakes by Lewis and such. Max almost never makes those mistakes. Go back to 2021, the first year RB actually had a car that was even close to that monster Merc (CLOSE, but still clearly inferior), Max managed to hang with Lewis all year despite his own car's shortcomings. He did this by being the superior driver, he over performed his car while Lewis just drove his Mercedes at its advertised level. This allowed Max to occasionally beat him because Lewis couldn't drive his car like Max drove that RB. And that's actually a thing so many people seem to ignore, Lewis has never really overperformed in his cars, every time he's won he's had a car that was either the best on the grid or very close to it. Whenever anyone more skillful was in a car that was close enough in performance to the his, he would lose or come close to it. But somehow it's a problem for people that Lewis actually isn't the best driver in F1 history, the thing is....he's never been. He is certainly a great driver, but hes more of a consistently basic driver than a true pusher of envelopes. Lewis is kinda like Iceman from Top Gun, he drives what is considered to be textbook perfection. But then you come up against a Maverick like Max, who drives his car on the razors edge, pulling every little bit of performance out of it while knowing that the slightest mistake will send him careening into a wall and out of the race. Max IS the superior driver, that much is beyond clear. There's nothing wrong with that, sometimes people are just naturally gifted and all your experience doesn't mean shit. That's just how it is. The reason it feels so different though is while Lewis wasn't THE best driver on the grid, he had the best car, and other drivers with cars close enough in performance could challenge him. Max IS the best driver on the grid and he's also in the best car, so his dominance has an inevitability to it that Lewis seemed to lack, because Max doesn't make those mistakes and because he doesn't it feels really unfair to everyone else because unless he gets wrecked or there is a failure of some sort of some other issue out of his control, he's going to win. There was always the chance Lewis would fuck it up or Merc would shit the bed with strategy, and although it didn't happen often, if DID happen. With Max, it doesn't. Max is just too good and giving him the best car almost makes the race on Sunday irrelevant because if nothing out of his control happens, he's going to win regardless of where he starts. Honestly it's nuts that there's someone like that in the sport at all. But people seem to be focusing solely on Max because he's the change. Meaning, they were used to Blessed winning and as such were content with backing the winner...then this young Dutch savant shows up and finally gets a car that can compete for the top spot on the podium and wins a WC instead of Lewis. People ONLY pointed to the final restart, they ignored all the beneficial to Lewis decisions earlier in that very race, and more importantly the ignored all the bad decisions made by Lewis and Merc the entire season up to that point. Honestly that RB had no business truly challenging that Merc. Yet All year Max drug that thing to finishes to stay close with Lewis. Even that final lap on fresher tyres, Honestly it shouldn't have been possible for that RB to overtake that Merc, but Max managed it by driving like an insane person mixed with a savant. Even then the Merc STILL almost passed it twice, if the tyres were truly the main issue there Lewis wouldn't have let the car roar like that, he'd have made sure his tyres lasted the lap. But anyway, Max was the change and people tend to not like change much. Particularly when they are so used to one thing. They were happy to have Lewis dominating for 7 years because they were backing him to win and felt pleased with themselves that they knew best, and then they ignored all the signs all year that Max was more skilled than Lewis in 21 and had their reality shattered in Abu Dhabi, courtesy of the one call that didn't go Lewis's way. So they hate the guy who dethroned their champion, they hate him because he made them feel stupid. As a fan of F1 in general it's easy to look and see that Max is the better driver, but for people who are stout fans of Lewis and Mercedes first and F1 second...Max is simply the beneficiary of having the best car on the grid. It's honestly amazing the mental gymnastics these fools do to support their hilariously bad takes, but what else is there to do? Basically just sit back and laugh. Because so long as nothing outside his control happens, Max is going to be winning almost every race for the next few years. Easier to just accept that he's the best driver on the grid and has the best car and just enjoy the show.
that year the rbr was better at the beginning, and then at the end the merc was better.
It's not a team being so far ahead. It's actually one guy...
I personally don’t think it’s worse, yeah Red bull has won every round so far which is just insane but it’s only been this season so far and also partially last season in which they’ve been so dominant. For me personally it’s not about how many races you win but for how long you stay dominant and considering Mercedes won the title 8 years in a row I definitely think that period definitely felt worse.
I don't think that rating dominance in a season by the number of wins of a team is fair. We should be talking about the gap between first and second place. Wouldn't change much for this season, but would serve better to compare the past seasons with a more consistent criteria.
Lewis literally dominated for 4 years straight with no competition, Bottas was like Perez. Red Bull will not keep Perez for 4 years.
Mercedes dominated with engine power, Red Bull dominates with teamwork.
You do realize Ferrari and Red Bull had cars who at least could compete for wins at tracks due to pace alone right?
@@eggselent9814 shows that power isn't everything
red bull dominate with aero
@@eggselent9814 and this year, the rest of the grid screwed up their cars so hard that they're at least 1 season worth of development behind RB.
The true question is, is it a RB dominance or is it a failure by the rest of the grid in terms of car development?
I@@junsengjs Its the failure of F1s rules being way to tight. If one team gets it right, the rest can't catch up and they have to change the rules again. Its been the same since they started with those stupid V6 engines
It's not Red Bull that are winning, it's Verstappen.
That's the difference, Verstappen has no internal competition and I firmly believe that if and when the honeybadger gets his seat back he'll have a really rude awakening by the fact that Verstappen has been improving constantly. Ricchiardo VS Verstappen won't be a contest at all. Just look how dominant Perez, who is a really good driver, wins 2nd every time in the same car. Or not.
Unless Verstappen gets bored and turns to other things - such as his already started endeavour to bring sim racers into real racing, and / or whatever else he fancies. As long as he stays the contest will be for the second spot.
well riciardo has something other on his hand(s)
There's plenty of great racing to go around this year! Max is at the peak of his form and he is such a racing dork you can hardly be mad at him for performing so well. It won't last forever, but the point about the lack of off-track drama is a good one.
Where????? Where????????
I think some Goatifi merch would look great in the new setup 💪
Great video! Always look forward to them.
Much appreciated!
Honestly what makes it worse for me than the merc domination is that we had max trying anything and everything to atleast fight them and make it interesting sometimes. Now we have a problem where he now is in this position but a lot of the time nobody even tries to fight him because he is in a quicker car. Which in a way makes me appreciate max even more
the field is way closer, now. years back someone in max's position then could take more risks because the field spread was way bigger than now.
Max came in young and fast, to a team that was doing some serious improving. I do find it more fun, to watch Alonso giving real time time driving lessons, to the rest of the field. Watching him wag a finger as some fool who tries to pass him in a corner, then puts paid to their ambitions, is just classic.
max fan here. I agree. However after suffering through 8 years of Merc domination.......not gonna here us complain!!!!
No ...we like it boring now. Just win everything. Break every record possible. One day it will end.
@@joelbeukeswinning every single race in this season (22) could possibly never be broken.
@@neverenoughgames72if you do think that
You're part of the problem
@@SD-mi2vc Tf you even saying man? 🤣
I disagree with the premise of this video. Mercedes was pulling 1-2's out of their asses left, right and center during their 7 year dominance. Red Bull is dominant because they have the best driver in their car. We can easily see this by comparing Max to Checo, who is driving in the exact same material. Yet, in the wet and on the same tyres with roughly a lap in age difference, Max catches up to Checo by 4.2 seconds, in one lap. It's fair to say that Red Bull isn't dominant at all. Max is.
He can extract performance out of that car to a level that no other driver on the current F1 grid would be able to do. With the exception of maybe Alonso and Lewis, who would probably be able to make the fight alot closer, but ultimately, they'd still fall by the wayside against Max.
The difference between Merc’s dominance and this year’s dominance is that Merc’s dominance was the car and Lewis would slip after Nico left because he couldn’t bring his a-game every week and in those times the car would carry to a podium and Bottas would take the win. This year you have a dominant car but you also have the greatest driving performance in F1 history. This is basically like 2021 again but instead of Max vs the Mercedes, it’s Max in the Mercedes which means there’s no combination of driver and car that can come close.
f1 2023 - red bull wd be an absolute banger season to watch.
when i watch races, i pretend the rb's are not there lol. so it's basically who gets the 2nd or 3rd position.
Recency bias. Schumacher and Ferrari's domination was worse.
Domination by one team in any era is not a problem but because the cars are now so damn reliable there is zero unpredictability to it. As you’ve said too though, without competition within the RB team it’s utterly dull to watch. Rightly or wrongly RB will favour Max but clearly he is the faster driver. RB are helped by the other teams inability to get strategy right (exhibit A Dutch GP 2023!)
This is worse because even though red bull have a clear advantage they put all their effort into one driver, in a bid to try and re engineer the history books. Couple that with the fact that they effectively cheated at the start of this generation of f1 cars, gained an advantage and got off with a slap on the wrist, it just kind of leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
Worse isn't the right word. It's historic and we're witnessing something special which will probably only be appreciated in ten years time.
The fight behind Max is brilliant. It seems like no one wants to be second. Every weekend it's a big question mark who will be 2nd and 3rd. The fight between Alonso, Hamilton, Checo, Russell and occasionally obe of both Ferrari's or McLarens is exhilarating. You never know who will be on the last two podium steps.
And given the fact that Checo isn't the regular nr 2 and finishes a week behind Max shows it's not just the car. During the Mercedes dominance it was Merc 1-2, a whole lot of nothing and than the rest of the pack.
Max is absolutely brilliant this season. He's inevitable. As F1 fans we can all appreciate his performance. Whatever they throw at him, he wins and that's historic. True GOAT stuff 😉
The stats may be because some people voted who werent watching during 2016, also it didnt feel like Mercedes were boring when they won, they did it in good spirits of doing a better job than others and there was other competition through a good bit of their dominant years with Ferrari and Red Bull when they got their aero in the right direction, even Tracing Point once or twice.
For the racing, Max’s domination is worse because previous seasons other teams had a hope of closing the development gap with known dynamics or just copying the fastest car, with the ground effects these cars are individual car dependent that makes it so much more a waiting game them getting back on par with Red Bull.
History in the making What's and see this Will Never happen Again in F1
I don't understand why many people, regardless of whom their favourite driver is (or like me these days, 100% neutral. It's far easier to enjoy any race if one isn't someone's rabid fan. I learned that during and just after my own rabidity when Damon was racing. Don't judge me, I don't judge your kinks), don't recognise this year for what it is, and - especially if Max wins in Monza - how much of a year the teams and drivers of the future will look back on with awe, just as they do at Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Senna, Prost...
We are watching history being rewritten. Okay, more accurately we're watching records being matched and then broken, but the first sentence should be how we feel about it - it's more emotional. I don't mean that people should be crying, just appreciating that visceral feeling you get when watching a record about to go.
To describe what I mean pick any record in any sport. For example, you didn't have to dislike anyone else on the track - or even be a fan of athletics - to fully appreciate the outrageously awesome talent of Usain Bolt, quite possibly ending up bouncing on the sofa when he broke a record, yet again!
It's the same thing with Max & RB. Like him or not, recognise that he's an awesome talent. Pay attention to the fact that the two other GOATs on the grid are going after Checo, but are calling Max unbeatable. They're not "scared" (it's gone midnight, I'm up to my eyeballs in painkillers, my vocab isn't at its best, so go easy on me. You know what I mean) of the car, only who's driving it. These are two drivers who rank on the god tier of all time GOATs, and they know they're watching someone doing something so special, that even if everything else goes their way, the only way to beat him is for him to be someone's victim, or the car breaks down.
RB (unlike a certain red team) have been consistently reliable that for Max to be "Ferraried", it won't be the race team or the strategists in Milton Keynes, it'll be one of the pair of right Charlies bumping into him. (I have huge soft spots for those lads. My eldest is Charles. Not Leclerc... I think mine is a tad older too. Anyway, both have - probably out of desperation - done some really daft things this year.)
Any road up, stop whining and pay attention to the rest of the season. When you, too, have grandkids, you'll be able to tell them that you saw Verstappen breaking and resetting all these records. Just as I do regarding Senna & Prost because I saw them live (but not necessarily at the right time, because of time zones, etc). You won't ultimately regret it. Your driver isn't bad this year, he's just in another race.
F1 records are irrelevant because there are 22 races and cars are bombproof and drivers don't get career ending crashes anymore.
Any record Verstappen sets needs an asterix as has every record since the beginning as circumstances were different.
I think it’s Max domination. Not solely the RB19. If they had another Checo type driver the championships would be much closer.
For me, Red Bull’s reliability, coupled with a very non-competitive driver lineup at Red Bull, make this year seem much more lopsided. At least in 2016, there was competition between the two Mercedes drivers.
There is one more thing that makes today's redbull dominance even worse; in 2016 if you delete Mercedes from existence there is Ferrari that will win everything early season, then redbull on late season. So there was still one team to dominant the race but different name.
On the other hand in 2023 if you delete redbull you will not know who will win next round because of how each team performs on each track. Mclaren, Ferrari, Aston, Mercedes and even Alpine are capable to win in this case, but next round they would not score even a singe point and thats fantastic about this season, but its even more sad when you realise redbull exist
Just another reason I find IndyCar to be the superior series: the lack of stretches where whatever advantage is had over the rest of the field guarantees dominance for multiple successive years. Yes, I know it's a spec series unlike F1 but you'll never see the same driver win every race all year either. The frenetic level of competition giving a broader range of drivers a chance to nail it can't be underestimated in its appeal.
These last two seasons are the main reason I exclusively watch IndyCar now, while checking in to see the highlights of F1.
IC is so much more competitive because the cars are identical, which means drivers have to take risks in order to win.
You are correct, which makes what Alex Palou is doing in a spec series insane! The guy is just of the charts good!
@@alecthomas5311 but to be honest it’s not just Palou, it’s the pit crew and the strategist as well. Even when he doesn’t make the fast 6 he still gets a podium because the whole team is (pun intended) firing on all cylinders.
This is what Ferrari F1 team should be looking at, because they are a Grosjean sized dumpster fire at the moment.
@@robprator5890 agreed, the whole team is as you say “firing on all cylinders” but the guy even got a second place finish with his front wing hanging off by a piece of vinyl at Toronto, he’s just that good. And other than one crash Dixon had, that team has been really good too hence the second place in the standings, but Palou has clearly been the class of the field this year and about to get 2 out of the last 3 championships, that’s super difficult to do. Indycar isn’t F1 where the best car wins, to do what he’s doing in a spec series the last several years is just next level. He’s the best driver in the world right now imo, another reason McLaren wanted him so bad.
As far as a team and strategy, we know how important it is to have a good team and strategist, just ask Colton Herta lol. His strategist cost him two races, and imo Grosjean’s strategists is garbage too. Each of those guys should have 2 wins this year. So yeah, I agree, Ferrari needs to look at teams like Ganasi and see what they’re doing but then again the series are so different it’s probably comparing apples to oranges. Honestly, I feel bad for Leclerc, he’s way better than what Ferrari is letting him be, I kind of wish he could get a seat at Merc or even maybe replace Stroll but I don’t see that happening.
I had to rewind several times because I was laughing so hard, great video!!
Let's hope Red Bull and Max do the impossible and win all the races, then we can say we saw history being made. Anything else would indeed make it a pretty boring even for a Max fan like me. Hopefully next year the others catch up!!
everybody saying this domination is worse than the mercedes days is a dts-watcher
Guess I’m a “DTS watcher” despite watching the sport since 2007🤷♂️
I think Mercedes Form 2014-2016 had a similar dominant car, it was just more unreliabel and they had two drivers battel for wins, so at least when we where going into a Weekend we didn‘t know which Merc would Win.
Right know Perez is like Miles away from Max so you know who is gone win and that makes it f…. boring.
It’s bad at the very top but for every other team the fact that Williams alpine mclaren Aston have all been able to jump around the grid is incredible. Normally it would just be Mercedes and Ferrari
I mean, the best we have this year is the hope for something like rain to hopefully make the races more interesting, and sit in that hope for as long as it takes us to remember that Max is dominant in the rain aswell. Then we just hope he makes a mistake. He's only human, we all make mistakes. Until we realise that Max doesn't really do that either, and even when he does, is able to easily recover from them. So, in the end, we're just watching to see just how badly Ferrari can bungle things this year, without even being in title contention.
The 2016 Merc one was worse. You had races where everyone outside of the top 5 or 6 was a lap down that's how far off Merc was from everyone.
That just shows all these " its boring, cost cap doesn't do anything, the new car doesnt make it easier to follow and ivertake" are all wrong. Sure, Max/Redbull are leading by a lot, but everyone else is getting closer and closer.
The fact Merc could lap all cars but the other top 2 teams that had also the infinite money glitch on, shows the reason the cost cap is introduced. We have the closest racing in a long, long time.
Just enjoy history in the making and see what next year will bring us.
@Roy-eu1gq A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding when the FIA said "the new regulations are to make racing closer", is for following other cars and not for magically turning F1 into a spec series.
Behind Verstappen it is very close. Cars can absolutely follow closer and for longer without just murdering the tyres. McLaren managed to go from one of the last teams to a team fighting for podiums on pure pace, within the season just by having good development.
Why do people say you should appreciate a driver dominating the sport when you don’t?
Yeah it’s impressive but I don’t care who it is one guy wining everything unchallenged ain’t gonna fill seats. The 2021 season& drive to survive has made f1 more popular than ever in USA with 3 races there. The US motorsport is mostly spec series & are really competitive & unpredictable & exciting. The FIA always real in a team if it makes the show boring. Shame cos there is lots of good racing from p2 downwards it’s just no one cares who’s runner up world drivers champion.
That Oppenheimer remark was soo out of pocket funny🤣🤣
I think the problem we all have is...
1) F1 has grown far more in the past 3 years, so theres a lot of new fans.
2) Its always Max, not Red Bull.
3) He actually poles almost every race and wins almost every race or runners up.
So the groans are loud because most of us just know Lewis is Champ but haven't seen him in his glory days. We are new and all we see is Max, the sport has become one note
fun fact:
Verstappen & Latifi together would still be leading the driver & constructor championships
Verstappen alone is enough.
@@joostprins3381 that was the joke :D
@@frankhuurman3955 I know, mine was too.
nice@@joostprins3381
I think the people answering the polls thoughs you meant driver-dominant, not team-dominant.
It’s worse to me as there is NO CHAMCE anyone else will win EVER. At least with Blessed, somebody could have won and even occasionally did
The reason it's so hard for me to get into F1 is because of how it's always 1 team domination year after year OR if there is a title battle it's all politics of teams trying to sway the FIA in their favor. While the engineering in F1 cars is amazing, I watch racing for competitive racing, not domination/politics.
well you not ever going to like f1 then.
Yep thats why i walked away
Part of me does wonder what the English-language pundits and commentators would be saying if Max were British and Lewis was Dutch.
the big issue is that both mercedes and ferrari have dropped the ball...hard.
and they can't do the thing they used to do by just outspending everyone 2-3 fold any more.
It's worse because big teams failed to develop a proper car, period.
"felt" means the right answer is personal as we dont feel the same.
I could see Logan Sargent being replaced if he fails to score any points this season, especially if Liam Lawson manages some decent results before Danny Ric recovers. I just feel Logan has underperformed, especially compared to some of the results Alex Albon has nailed so far this season
"Why Red Bull (read Verstappen) Domination is WORSE... (Then Hamilton's)" Said the guy with the obvious British accent.
very well put. 🙂
I'm pretty sure Mercedes still had their engine tuned down in 2016 to hide their real advantage. hell, i'm pretty sure we didn't see the full power of that thing until the second half of 2021.
The only people who think Red Bull dominating is somehow "worse" than Mercedes dominating are Mercedes fans.
The only difference is that Red Bull are totally dominant, but that's just down to having the best people- drivers, technicians, designers, mechanics, managers, everyone.
Now it's up to Toto to either find a way to compete or sell his shares to someone who can.
I'm not sure that the Merc post-2016 was ever as dominant as the current RB. The RB just doesn't seem to have a single weakness. The Merc would have various tracks where it wasn't great, or it would struggle if the race or quali was compromised because it would be set up with the assumption of leading from the front. At least that's my memory, but I could be mistaken.
The other thing that gets me is that Max just seems totally indifferent to winning now. Lewis was always delighted to win.
The Mercedes looked a better stable car to drive in comparison to the twitchy Redbull. Most drivers could get close to Hamilton in that Mercedes, than getting that close to Verstappen in that Redbull. (i'm not saying that Hamilton would lose any titles btw😉)
And Hamilton is more a Hollywood guy, while Verstappen is more distant. If you watched or know basketball, you could compare those 2 different personalities with bird and magic. 2 opposing sides of the same coin. And both out of reach for 95% of the competition.
Imo Red Bull's dominance is exactly the same as any other team being dominant. Schumi, Vettle, Hamilton, Verstaappen are all the same. The upside is to watch new records set, look at the new drivers coming up and seeing an active mid field.
As for RB cheating, I have no doubt every single team cheats in some form or fashion.
People are acting like mercedes was a crap box of a car but in 2014 to 2016 they were even more relatively quick to the rest of the field compared to the Red Bulls now, it's just that at Mercedes in 2014 to 2016 there were two drivers of similar quality.
I don't mind the dominance at all, no matter what team it is (although I'm a Red bull fan) The car is as important as the driver and you have to respect the designers and builders of a car that can dominate seasons like these. And for the record, I don't find the season boring in the least... the fights in the middle and back of this championship is something to behold
at least its clearly mainly skill. rosberg and bottas were challenging hamilton. all perez is challenging is the red bull juniors for his own seat.
People claiming this will ruin the sport is absolutely hilarious. Most of the time domination in sports makes that sport grow. Michael Jordan was a blessing for the NBA. he won 3 in a row went away for a couple of years and won 3 more in a row after that. NBA more people watching that 6th title than any other time. Tiger Woods was absolutely dominating Golf. Nobody watched it before he started doing it, but his domination made that sport grow. Floyd Mayweather is 50-0 and not even a heavyweight, but his fights are the most watched Boxing fights in this era. I could be wrong and if I am please tell me, but I don't know of 1 sport that lost viewers because 1 person or team was dominating it.
Not sure why people keep going on about Perez constantly being in danger of being fired. The only 2 races Max hasn't won, Sergio has. Sergio's been on the podium more times this season than Hamilton and Russell combined. Only Alonso and Max have equal or more podiums than him. Sergio seems to do whatever the team tells him to, so what more could you ask from the guy? Do you need both your drivers fighting neck and neck between themselves for the drivers' championship? I feel like Logan Sergeant is the driver that should be in danger of getting fired. Fair enough he's a rookie, but there's only so much slack you can cut him for that.
2016 season was dominant by Mercedes indeed but there was a huge interest as per the champion in the end. 2023 is by far worse when it comes to P1 in the drivers and manufacturers. At least we have the rest of the teams to wonder (2nd-3rd, 4th-6th)
So 1,5 years is WORSE then 8 years. Seen a fantastic race sunday, whatever Hamilton and Wolff may say.
2023 has had amazing racing so far. It’s all happening behind p1
Nothing and nobody has dominated like RB..... 23 wins in 24 races.... This is total destruction. Do you realise that Max could win 3 more races in two years than alonso has had in his entire career...