JS8CALL, The NEWEST HF Digital Mode, Introduction and Demo
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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FT8, as we know, has dominated the airwaves for over a year now. Imagine the ability to have keyboard to keyboard ragchew, with the same exact performance of FT8. Why wouldn't you? This is brand new, still under development, and will surely take off big time!
FT8CALL is alive!
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This video is the ONE to see for introduction to JS8Call. Great pacing,, clear audio, good visibility of cursor and interface, and explanation of all the features. Thank You so much!
Thank you so much for this video introduction. I am significantly hearing impaired and have a look to digital modes for my participation in the hobby. I welcome the spirit of innovation that I thought were supposed to be part of this hobby from the beginning. I appreciate you showing us this and also support all of those folks out there that are trying to “push the envelope”! Good on ya! 73 KD9JTU
Me, too. 73 de TA4AEI.
This is what ham radio is supposed to be about... experimentation. I love it!
The thing is though..none of this is still possible at all without the internet. I would be more impressed if we had ways to do everytning without internet. So, a central digital channel that ,ay e can serve pafes with info on new modes, etc. If shtf tomorrow you would never be able to develop new ham tech without the internet ...
@@researchandbuild1751 No... all of this is possible radio to radio.
I agree! This is the best of PSK and FT8...See everyone there tomorrow! :) 73
@@researchandbuild1751 Before we had the internet, there were dial-up bulletin boards where we shared software, new ideas and old knowledge, before that were libraries and universities where we shared ideas,etc. It would still happen, just at a slower rate. We haven't forgot the old ways just replaced them with more efficient tools to accelerate our knowledge and prevent the shtf from occuring in the first place. Wishing for the old days doesn`t drive progress...
Eric, Almost all my QSO's on FT8. Saw your video today then downloaded FT8Call with my first QSO in the bag. Thanks!
This is the mode I was hoping for. Love conversational digital modes. Great video! W5VTC
Wow! Great job on this video Eric! I look forward to trying out FT8 CALL as soon as I can find time to operate.
I need to get with you on buying a Tshirt as well.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you for sharing Johnny and you might want to add it can be ran on a R Pi for Field operation in a small format / backpack operations =) THANK YOU JORDAN for developing the NICE variant to FT-8 to make it more usable for all at anytime and especially during the current solar cycle we are in =)
Great video Eric. I follow Julian OH8STN and as a result have been using FT8CALL sporadically for over a month now. I live in an area with lots of noise and poor geography, so my best chance of making contacts is by using data modes such as FT8. I've always found it quite soulless though. This new mode changes all that considerably. I've even been able to make contact with Julian himself.
Dang. I do about 97% of my QSOs in digital. I'm going to try this tomorrow. Thank s for g he video.
I was told something about this by a fellow ham I work with but he couldn’t elaborate on it much just to say it was possibly a digital rag chew mode.
I’m partial to digital modes and I have made hundreds of contacts with FT8 on 10 meters. I rarely use phone and never use repeaters. I suspect that if the FCC expands Technician privileges you will see this mode explode!! I can’t wait 😊 I’m going to give it a try after work tomorrow and I’ll spread the word to my ham buddy. We’ll get it rollin for sure! Thanks for the heads up.
Looks like a cool mode. This would be great to use in the field.
Great solution. A lot of hams didn't like FT8 because it was "killing" other digital modes. Quite honestly this mode would seem way more useful because you can use it for more than filling out a logbook.
When i get my callsign i wil definitely try this as one of my first digital modes. Thanks you for the video.
FYI - FR8Call has been renamed to JS8Call for those searching
I’m new to ft8, been doing radio for a lifetime. I super enjoy it for the cool factor. Contest or field day or pota..awesome for sure. It does not remove phone or cw and I’m new to cw as well but I am finding the magic in it. Digital modes are disaster comms. Absolutely excellent for that. Learn them…hate them if you like but learn them.
Had not checked my new videos yet today, but just sat down at the computer to do a search about FT8Call. Read about it last night, but it was late and I didn't want to search it out then. Your Video was the first thing to pop up. I'f I had of looked in my email I would have seen that you posted this, and not had to do the search! Thanks for the info. Now I just need to Download it, get it set up ant try it! Maybe tomorrow!
Im pretty new to Ham radio having only had my Foundation license since April. Given the poor propagation currently being experienced, Im planing on trying this, Its a great chance for me to see what my station is capable of, and to help me understand a bit more about the equipment I have and the way things work. Thanks for this, its one more avenue for me to explore ! 73 de MW7MRK. South Wales,UK
I’m not a fan of FT8 but will go to it when I can’t find anyone on SSB. FT8 Call, now JS8Call is a different animal and I can see a real use in situations where you have to run low power. These would be a grid down after a hard hit from a hurricane, as we well know here in Florida, or during portable operation such as search and rescue or v just back country camping when battery conservation is needed. I am just getting started with JS8Call and will get familiar with it but for me SSB is still king. 73 Eric and thanks for another great video! KK4LW (Rick)
Thanks for making this video about FT8CALL. I've just downloaded and installed and only one session under my belt so far but I think as you do that it is going places. I plan to continue using FT8CALL and provide feedback to Jordan as he continues development of his new app.
Excellent video. Downloaded JS8CALL last night after watching this video and immediately started making contacts. Takes a little to get used to but not difficult.
Life’s been crazy the last couple years, so I’m late to this sexy radio party. Looks pretty darn neat. Thanks for the video. Looking forward to checking it out.
A good version of FT8 and will be very popular with hams and I will use it my self in conjunction with FreeDV as I still like voice as they have the bandwidth down to 700 HZ so I have the best of both worlds. The future is moving very fast in digi comms and we will be amazed what will be available in the near future I only hope the FCC won't pull some our bandwidth with us all on digital comms .Thanks fror a brilliant presentation VK4 ZOW .
Great intro to FT8Call. It cleared up a few things for me. And, hey, you responded to my ALLCALL? de VO1OK
Interesting. Downloaded the software this evening but storms forecast so I didn't try it. Looking forward to giving it a shot some time this coming week. Thanks for the intro video, it answered a lot of questions. KK5AA
Was hovering between buying a ft2d or the 991a..i think i will get the 991a now..Eric...your costing me money!!
Hi Eric,
Great first look video for FT8Call. Have FT8 working on my FT450 with a SignaLinkUSB. Getting it setup for my Flex1500. 73 WB3BJU
Thanks for the Video. Good Job. I use FT8 and I will definitely start using FT8CALL.
I live in a radio dead zone between two steep hills. I am going to give this a try as soon as I can afford an HF rig. As I understand it you don't need a big signal to be successful with this mode. I will have to give it a try.
Nice concise tour of the new mode FT8Call. I learned some things even after having down loaded and running it under Win Xp (yes, it ran under Xp on receive at least!)
73 and look forward to working some of you on 160 meters this fall and winter.
This should destroy FT8! FT8 and FT8Call are weak signal modes, not low power modes. This has to be the best ham radio video on YT! Bloody brilliant! 11/10!
Probably the best explanation of Ft8call, I learned a lot...thankyou!
I haven't been able to fire up the rig in a few years working overseas.... but these new modes look insane. I remember running JT65 thinking it was the coolest thing ever haha
Thank you.
I saw on the Internet that FT8CALL was replaced with JS8call. I’ve been using FT8 for about a week. It’s a way to get short QSOs for certificates, but it’s kind of a boring mode if you like rag chewing. FT8CALL is very slow if it takes 15 seconds or longer to send only two words. I used to use AMTOR ARQ decades ago. AMTOR worked with weak signals. Sometimes you couldn’t even hear the transmission in your speaker and it would decode perfectly. AMTOR ARQ was dramatically faster than FT8 . Decades ago, most HF radios had noisy T/R relays, and weren’t practical to run AMTOR ARQ because of the overwhelming T/R sound level. Today’s HF radios have quiet T/R relays, so maybe AMTOR could come back. Supposedly JS8CALL can send at about 20 wpm. If that is the case, that’s dramatically faster than FT8. I’ll have to do more research about JS8CALL.
One more thing. You mentioned you couldn’t go on some of the higher license class frequencies. You should upgrade that General class license to Extra class. Decades ago, when I upgraded to the Extra class license, you had to take the 20 wpm code test at the FCC office, along with the theory exam. The 20 wpm CW wasn’t a problem for me, but that’s a significant barrier for a lot of people. Now, that code requirement is history, so you should quit putting it off, and upgrade to the Extra class license!
Well done -Finally have something to use 0 was into FT8 for a while but feel it lost the ham operator to operator keyboard interchanges.Often call on RTTY and others but everyone went over to FT8 .Hopefully this grows well into a new busy arena.regards ZS5BG South Africa
I am in cheers for the heads up will try it tonight 73
love JS8Call! made a lot of friends!
This will bring back the fun. Thanks for good overview
nice demo. nice that you took the time to break it down i just found out about this mode FT8 call, when i get back home this weekend i will give it a shot.
again. thumbs up for you and thank you. de WO2E.
Hi! Nice video about FT8Call! Now I know what's the basic of this tool. Thank you very much!
Excellent overview of FT8Call
I just put js-8call in, latest version and it works. I really do not understand a lot about it, but, I did need to reset my hardware control again in the "radio" part of the settup. (dtr I believe) Its fairly busy now on 20. I'm only using Microphone for audio in, both on the PC and the Radio ! But it does work. I will soon get hardware "in" to my "Plus" and maybe that will help. As it is, I hear everything. It responds to a CQ. So far so good. Two things, PSK reporter hasn't reported me. And, I assume I have to do something to make my system report on PSK reporter.
I'm trying to figure out FT8Call myself downloaded it earlier today and am trying to get used to it. I am hooked o FT8, so hopefully I will pick up o FT8Call quickly as well.
I just stumbled through my first FT8Call QSO. It is a lot different than the quick in and out FT8 contacts.
Eric. As always, great video and informative.
This is a start hopefully it gets faster in the future imagine a mode if internet fails still one can direct traffic we can communicate radio to PC to all over nice.
Duane Shuster It works down to -24dB theoretically, so will likely work when other things cannot. Slow is better than not at all.
When you engaged in contesting and field day generally you give callsign, grid square, signal strength, and 73. This is in cw, ssb or digital modes. Indeed, for contesting if you do much more, you won't be an appreciated participant. So, I don't see that FT8 is any different or "evil" just because it facilitates that. It is true with FT8 that you can't talk about your hospital stay, bowel movements, bad foot, mowing the grass, the temperature, etc but I'm not sure that is a bad thing. I don't hear many technical discussions on SSB. So, while ragchewing might be enabled by FT8call that doesn't mean that the majority of people using ft8 for dx are going to convert to the keyboard to keyboard mode. Depends what you want to do.
Great info! Thanks
I’m a digital ham, as far as I can tell this is just PSK31 with tweaks. I hope I’m wrong. But it sure looks like it. N8YGM
Awesome. Finally got on HF and have been sad to see it's all digital automated stuff. This looks much more interesting.
2 days and the 15 minutes right now shows a decent growth of the mode.
Thanks Eric. FT8 Call sounds great. I like rag chewing. Perfect.
I like the concept and want to try it. Very interesting!
Thanks for the video, very helpful......I just installed and running JS8 on 40m around 9am PDT and I haven't seen one signal yet. Just to make sure all is working I started up FT8 and on 40m and the band is kinda busy. FT8 does it agn! 73 and tnx - k6sdw
I believe the "ALLCALL thunderstorm qrt" refers to the massive number of auto-replies to an ALLCALL? and of course the QRT means STOP SENDING. It would seem that is already unpopular. I started messing with FT8CALL a few days ago and I can see positives and negatives. When voice isn't open for me, I switch to PSK. It looks like we have another option for bad prop days. '73 and thanks for another great video.
Great explanation. Thank you for the video.
Great video many thanks.
well done your the man....regards from the UK..
That is the great part about 30M APRS. With our beacons you can see how the band is and what stations are on freq. Pretty cool to see all the European and VK stations at night then shorten up during the day and see only North American stations.
I am curious if the position report is sent to the APRS-IS? I assume it is. If so that is great as I prefer 40M over 30M. =]
WW5RM
Already downloaded it going to start checking it out
all i can say is....
It's about damn time
Thx ... was lost on the beacon and allcall thing until I watched this video. Just started ft8call today. Getting rag chews and DX already. The tx cycling gives me a bad feel, but not sure if it is that bad. Good for guys like with me modest rigs and antennas, and crappy hearing.
That video about JT8CALL is pretty old. I’ve tried using JT8CALL many times. Not that many hams use JT8CALL. The main problem with JT8CALL is it is so s-l-o-w! If you type only a few sentences, it takes about 7 to 10 minutes to transmit what you typed! As far as I know, JT8CALL doesn’t have any checksumming error correction like AMTOR ARQ or PACTOR ARQ. The modes that can use ARQ are perfect for the low sunspot cycle years. But there’s very little ton no activity on AMTOR ARQ or PACTOR ARQ because those modes require an expensive TNC interface device.
What is needed is an ARQ mode that works with cheap sound card software and interface devices, that also has decent data flow speeds.
The updated recommended frequency on 20 meters for JT8CALL is 14.078, which is too close to 14.080, which is used for the FT4 mode. Maybe 14.090 could be the new JT8CALL frequency on the 20 meter band. Perhaps the new turbo JT8CALL speed will help the slow data flow rate. But if ARQ could be added to the turbo JT8CALL mode, maybe that would really improve the JT8CALL mode.
Dave kY0L
Finally they made FT8 useful!
Very informative video on this new mode 73 de NB2A
I just has a "QSO"...on JS8....the guy sent me his SNR and I sent him Mine.... then he was gone.... I was like ???? apparently that's a contact nowadays ?? geez.
Good Job! More new stuff, out of down sunspots. Thanks, Chuck K2RRV
GD VID THX 73 GL
*adds another qso in the logbook* ;)
Guess i missed something here, Header says JS8Call, entire video is about FT8. I'm still learning JS8, slowly.
Back when he made this video, they were calling it FT8Call, but then changed the name to JS8Call. So he must have updated the title of the video. Just know he's talking about JS8Call when he says FT8Call.
Nice mode, looking for the software now Thanks. N9SES
Thank you for sharing!
Lots of people on FT-8 because they LIKE it... If I wanted keyboard to keyboard, its called Rtty... No desire at all for JS8CALL. You know not everyone is into rag chewing.
Oy - next time you show a map, please include Australia ! :) Lotsa hams here.
I'll have to try this mode out. It will will be a good "change of pace" mode to FT8. I'm looking forward to using it but suspect FT8 will remain my main digital mode for a while more..
This. Looks so interesting, a nice mix of. Digital and one to one contact. Thank you for making this video , 73s Andrew G6TVK
Thanks for the video. I operate QRP as well but like a bit of conversation rather than FT8, so FT8CALL sounds ideal! Daryl VK3MCB
Very cool. i dont have any digital ability yet as my TS830s is kinda funky to connect. I'm close to buying the IC7300 and be done with it. Seems you like yours and the ability for many different modes.
Tried it and it works great. Only issue I have is that often I don't see the little lightening bolt
Howdy Folks. Let me know if I can help any of y'all with FT8Call. Cheers! DE KN4CRD
So he must have saw the video HAHAHA Welcome to my audience
:D Been in the audience for a long time now. Your Olivia video got me my first Olivia QSO. Personally enjoyed many others as well!
Congratulations. Outstanding work. Thank you. 73s...
Jordan Sherer
Looking forward to download and try it out. Kevin KC7ZOH
A great job Jordan, I am going to try FT8Call now.
Thanks for your efforts.
73 de 4Z5UY
Wish I didn't live in this apartment so hard to get out there in my location. Can't wait to buy a house.
Joe I live in an apartment and cannot have any outside ( or even in an attic space ) antennas AT ALL and have monthly inspections =) I have ran digital mode with 15 watts or less for over eight years and have many thousands of contacts ALL OVER the PLANET 8-) So it can be done 8-) I have 1 1/2" PVC pipe BOOKSHELVES all over the place with #14 THHN stranded bought 500' spool worth of on sale house wiring /-) Just do a RF EXPOSURE SHEET on it where the placement is to be safe and legal =) I have never ran SSB phone except in the trucks HF rig =) I hope that helps =)
Pat Hopkins thanks buddy I do that too I have #14 guage write as well running the top of my ceiling the issue I have is noise, I get so much noise from this building I'm in it covers up signals. I've tried allot of things to bring it down but no luck for me. It's ok tho maybe not next year but soon enough me my family will own a house and believe me I will be looking for something Ham friendly haha take care buddy.
Yep on the noise ..... I'm retired so I will work mostly late night and very early morning when the TV / computers / fluorescent lighting and other noisey device are not up roaming around :-))) The only thing is the "Smart meters" are still awake =(
Pat Hopkins yup I've done that waited till night time that's most of my contacts, I've tried isobars, line conditioners, ferrites and what ever lol But I just renewed my license this year so soon as I move I will be active again.
Sound like you will be great when you move into you new house .... yep I miss the trees, deck, high location for UHF/VHF SSB and antenna farm =) I still have my homebuilt tiny trailer to retreat with the Frontier to the camp areas and small enough to make it down a small truck trailer dirt road to a remote areas to setup and camp 8-) The trailer is 4 foot by 10 foot long and 4 foot high and same rims and tires as the truck =) 13 and a half foot long trailer frame with 15" tires and six bolt Nissan / Chevy rims =) Hard - side tent with wheels and VERY WELL INSULATED 1 1/2" steel cladded Polyurethane foam core =) Four Season camping 8-)
Thanks Eric for the video. It's now May 2020. Is FS8Call getting as popular as you had hoped? The software seems different now. Have you thought about doing a new video with usage tips and discussing the current features? (ie, Beacon seems to have gone away). I've tried using but I get confused about how to carry on an effective conversation.
Well this thing is badAss thanks for the info.73
Nice video Eric. Could you do one with a few QSOs as a demo?
I totally love the concept and will play with FT8Call today. KC7ZOH Las Vegas
Thank you very much! 73, PT2VHF
Got on tonight and nobody on JS8Call. :-(
Good video. If FT8 and FT8Call are not compatible, then there is no reason to have the 15 second cycle time in FT8Call. I know the program is still experimental, so the cycle business may get deleted in a future release.
Now known as JS8Call.
A video about how to hook all this up to your rig would be great. I tried but gave up because I didn't know where to put all the settings ie. baud rate etc etc...
I gave FT8Call a go today on 20 meter, and 40 meter for the last hour or so tonight. I'd rather watch paint dry. :-) Back to FT8 I go. Maybe thing will get better. But I use FT8 (mostly) for propagation reporting and not rag chewing.
Great overview of the mode. I'm going to have to try it. 73 de Dick N4C
Good video, but you must have the listed HF transceiver to use with this software, I have one too old, this software will let you know that, so you have to buy a updated rig, expensive! Every video, Eric has seems to work with his product or software, an I have a problem as a ham to make stuff work, Eric used! Keep up the good work Eric, an I’ll try to catch up! 73s. from KA9KBG!!!
This is new to me. Trying to learn. Thanks for the info.
Paul
N4XUT
ICOM 7300 Nice radio.. what antenna were you using on this session?
THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO EVER MADE!!!
What else "for the most destructive mode yet conceived by the mind of men!"
Wonder what will be next...
..but Debbie does Dallas was pretty good too!
Interesting Video and well explained Thank & 73 Nick G0WYA
Dang I missed you on simplex my buddy John KM4JDV said he had nice qso with ya in norrh Brevard!I was getting dental work done or I woulda joined in
I will make it an effort to call ot when up there in the next could of days. I have the beam pointed that way I could get on from home,, but dont have it set up lately.
@@HamRadioConcepts thanks I am myself in southeast Volusia 73 KN4AQJ
Does it still require accurate timing say via an internet source?, thinking about remote operation etc. Great explanation, very clear thank's.
It does require accurate-ish timing, but you can likely set it by hand from watching the waterfall. I made a GPS disciplined NTP server from a Raspberry Pi and Adafruit's GPS Pi hat. You could do that and run the JS8Call software on the same Pi.
Great overview, thanks for sharing. de KC9IL, Warren
How about some more current coverage of this subject. 73 KD8UHR
Thumbs up for you my friend - I will check this out! 73 de G7GZH..