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In case you have missed it, there is a new Q50 scooter made by Yadea, it has a sodium-ion battery pack made by Yuji Tech. It has up to 70 km of range and costs $450 to $590 USD.
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I think may be the China price. I live in Thailand and the China price is doubled or tripled here. The Yadea is around $1600 US here and that after the Thai govt $560 EV rebate. I personally have a little 36v lead acid scooter that I bought for about $185 in 2023. When new it had a range of 30km(18m) and a top speed of 39kmh(25mph)....it had 3 * 20Ah lead acid batteries in series. I swapped it out for a $65 LiFepo4 36v 6Ah battery and now get top speed of 50kph(31mph) and range of a little more, abit over 34km (20m). most of my rides are between 3 and 6 km so this is pretty awesome for me....I may add another battery in parallel to double the range....my wife gets even more speed and range due to her loser weight!!!! Anyhow, mainly wanted to highlight how much more lithium batteries perform compared to lead acid.
@@kennethbowry1521 I see you aredense xd this is a tech channel too. So that news is also welcome here. Especially with that new type chemistry of battery.
@ I just posted it here since there are big expectations that sodium-ion batteries can be a cheaper and better alternative to li-ion batteries. That sodium-ion battery is supposed to work at least down to -20C, even though it is not very useful for a scooter. It is great that there is already a product with sodium-ion battery. Pricing in different markets will be different due to local import duties and local seller markups.
My wife takes our Tesla to work and I drive our gas cars. I never understood how inconvenient it was to fill a gas tank once a week until I learned how easy it is to plug in an EV at home.
Exactly. My EV drives way more than my diesel now because it is cheaper and more pleasant and fun to drive. And if you are a person who would be 99% inconvenienced by an EV, they should buy a petrol car. It’s not rocket science.🧪
Honestly, I made the same mistake and even started writing a comment: "Finally, great news. Competition is engine of evolution." But then I noticed the mistake.
You do realise charging 41.3kW of a 59 kWh battery in 8.5 minutes is about 700 amps at 415V three phase for the duration of that time. Considering there could be 10 cars charging at once thats 7000 amps! The infrastructure required will be phenomenal.
If a car charges in 8.5 minutes instead of 34 minutes, it only uses the charger for 1/4th of the time, meaning average power required to charge 10 cars remains the same independent of how fast they charge. If each car charges 4 times quicker, there will be only 1/4th of cars charging at the same time.
@@fritslevie4461 If you have not driven in Australia where Melbourne to Sydney is a 800 km (500 mile trip) and most do that in a day stoping to refil a nd have a break maybe every 3-4 hrs
@@dogefromthefuture Most people cannot sit and drive for 7+ hours, without needing to stop for a bathroom break or to stretch their legs. I would like longer range in an EV so I could bypass some charge points, if I choose to stop earlier due to sitting in traffic and need the break. If there is more range and less traffic issues, I could opt for another. That being said, I owned an Audi e-tron with a rated 222 miles of range, which was more like 170s to 180s miles in actual highway driving (driving as I did with ICE cars), with 7-10% battery charge remaining. Yes, in the early days I would charge to 100% to start and again at stops, with some experience, I followed what the car recommended and certainly at that point I was due for a break. 2-2+ hours was usually the recommended stopping point, without needing to charge to 100% for the next leg, although sometimes I would charge higher if there were elevation gains along the route.
Canada here. It does get down to -43 here occasionally (much more often in the farther Northern regions) and even colder. Where I live, -20 in the winter is not uncommon - though, admittedly, it has not gotten that cold this winter and there is hardly any snow on the ground right now, in January- thanks, climate change. My Tesla M3 loses about 35% of its range in really cold temps, so these batteries would really be welcome!
I've worked in Prudhoe Bay Alaska, situated on the Arctic Ocean. Normal Temperatures were -45 C with windchill -70 C. We drove 1998 Chevy Silverado truck with a 6.5 L Diesel Engine. Note, for 3 months, except for oil changes, the motors were never turned off. Its when temperatures drop to -52 C (Ft McMurray, Northern Alberta, Canada) that things get really bad. Steel gets brittle like glass, rubber shatters as it turns solid as rock. But even at these temperature, if the truck is plugged in it starts (Sometimes)...
Well, if you're already used to plugging in, why not use an electric truck that is way more energy efficient and can heat its battery just as well when it is plugged in?
There will be a place for ICE for a very long time( such as super sold climates, aviation for quiet a while but not forever)....but not in the average run of the mill household in a very short time.
@@Ulbre Super cold climates are also not good for ICE : Engine, transmissions oils becomes thick or even solid ! Also engine & transmission seals are harden and might fail once the engine heats up. Their rubber must survive hot temperatures over 100°c, so such rubber is not qualified below -30°c at best. Usually, ICE Engine specs are required until -20°c. -30°c possible but at higher material costs (special rubbers for instance) and less fuel efficiency due to larger tolerances of machining and so on. This is why in super cold climates they need to keep the engines warm by electric heaters or simply on. Or have a heated garage.... or put a fire under the engine as Russians are famous for doing .... BEV on the other end, is less prone to failure under very cold condition if the chemistry of the cell is adequate : Sodium based is the best for super cold climate ! maybe a mixed pack with Sodium / Li-Ion. Also the car may be designed to keep warmed while connected to the charge with less energy loss than an ICE plugged.
I'd love to, one day dissagree or just feel a comment of yours is imperfect, but having followed you since you wore a leather jacket, I admit this presentation is correct. Thankyou.🎉
These comments are weird. Battery development is undergoing an absolute revolution worldwide. Investment globally in R&D has taken off life crazy. So obviously there’s a regular cadence of significant announcements. The snark in these kinds of comments is just a bit odd.
The problem is that Legacies (not only Germans) focus on the car design first that put lot of constraints to the battery pack design that cascades down to the cell format and chemistry.....suboptimal ! What they need to do is the exact opposite : Choose the best known chemistry for the car market segment targeted (power, FC, energy, safety , temperature range ....), then design the pack around the cell, then design the car around the pack. This is how you get the most optimal performance and cost.
@@joergmaass normally any car-start-up is doing so from a blank page. while legacies always tries to do it cheap / easy by modifying at minima their decades old ICE platforms .... with the bad result we witness right now and low sales they attribute to lack of demand 😁
Yup even the famous ICE engine designers/ builders began loosing their mojo a long time ago as soon as they had to get more efficient and cleaner . To stop killing us all... it's like you can have the power but it will cost ...cost you twice and if you want both of the former it's going to cost you three times because we've tried turning an ICE fundamental pigs ear of. device into an electric motor silk purse. 🤷🏻 As Kurt said. Dear future generations: Please accept our apologies. We were rolling drunk on petroleum. Kurt Vonnegut There are still numb nuts bullies trying to stuff people's heads in the Tar pits that killed even 🦖 We still need to get away from using exotic metals in Batteries and motors.. and vehicles in general have to go back to being updatable repairable long term assets. Relatively free of fashion ... and far more defined by functionalism and sustainability . Meantime we have to keep an eye on what we ask from our environments and the numbers of us that it can cope with. It's been quite a few years since the mass of the manmade exceeded the biological mass of the Earth. It doesn't take a genius or War veteran SF writer like Kurt or Frank Herbert to see that's neither clever or going to be good.
In the US EV battery packs have to have a 8 year 100,000 mile warranty by law. There is no requirement at all for ICE cars to have a warranty but most are only 3 years 36,000 miles.
There will be a place for ICE for a very long time( such as super sold climates, aviation for quiet a while but not forever)....but not in the average run of the mill household in a very short time.
I would love to hear an update on the electric construction vehicle market - the electric construction equipment has even more advantages than the electric cars compared with ICUs
In the UK, JCB are working on hydrogen combustion engines. It’s one of the uses for hydrogen that may make sense, we will see. I’m sceptical, but not closed minded to hydrogen in this role. Hydrogen gas is it’s used, but not as a fuel for general use. Only specific uses where electricity would not be practical. Hydrogen for industry though, I can fully get behind (steel, fertilisers, chemicals, etc). And you could justify some rail and road transport off the back of that. I still believe the future is a blend of ICE, EV and hydrogen. We just should pick the right tool for the right situation.
Volvo has a full range of EV construction machinery. JCB has electric earth movers. It is making a mistake with Hydrogen, as there is no infrastructure and no incentives to build one.
Whatever the depreciation shall be, the 5 years long savings in fuel will help compensate it. I save almost $300.00 a month. My BYD costs 25,000.00. Do the math!
A depreciação é alta hoje pela baixa procura de um EV usado, mas daqui a 5 anos os carros à combustão não valerão nada e os elétricos já estarão estabelecidos no mercado.
-20C here in northern Canada is mild when compared to -55C typically at nite. ICE trucks and cars are not shut off unless placed inside a heated garage for maintenance. Radiators are covered by an insulating blanket to keep brutal cold air out.
How do the full battery EVs do in such cold? I don't know if they've come to market yet, but supposedly some new batteries were going to have far less decrease in range in the cold than the ones currently on the market.
@@jeffbuchholz954 The EV's do pretty good. Key is to keep them always plugged in when not driving and a garage makes a BIG difference. Reduced range of course, just like an ICE experiences. But in the land of the Midnight Sun we move and work slowly and carefully and never stress out the vehicles or machinery.
@ Thanks for the info. How do people cope then when leaving home (& garage) for extended periods? What happens when one goes to a hockey game, or football game or to a weekend cabin in the deep woods when there is no garage for extended periods... or perhaps no electric charging options?
@@jeffbuchholz954 most such facilities or businesses already have 110V plugins used for ICE engine block heaters. Also ICE vehicles will have a battery “blanket” to keep the battery warm (110 V plug in). Also many ICE vehicles will also have a 110 V plug in car/truck cabin heater/warmer. So ICE vehicles typically have THREE plug in items! An EV has one of course. We simply carry the 110 V charging cable and just plug it into any block heater plug. This means any such plug ins are now easy for EV’s to use, no expensive charging stations needed, or big capital outlay. As for wilderness locations with no AC power, if you plan to park for a few days not plugged in you set your car’s computer to come on every so often to warm the inside. Power drawn from the traction battery is good, as it keeps the battery warm when discharging. We tend to avoid such issues and that’s why most of us have an ICE vehicle also. Some will deploy a single solar panel (chained) to trickle charge the traction battery, if it isn’t during the “long dark” period. In the extreme north it is all a matter of planning and having backups. Also some folks have a portable generator in their truck and can, arranged, stop at your EV and charge it up for a half hour or so. We tend to look after each other, as -50C can simply mean death in about 10 minutes or less.
When GM announced something futuristic for the last 4 decades, you can bet it is just another huge hype to gain super charged in the stock market only. It's about super fast charging in the stock options.
03:26 - budget cars as well because it will be cheaper to manufacture just the best option, just one option instead of companies having to set up different lines.
Except it didn’t because that is not how the system works. Energy is currently shuffled around Europe as needs demand, that is literal how the system works. All that happened was a potential shortage on the domestic front was addressed by bringing some in. This is how the system is meant to work. It saves a fortune each year in not having to have unused power stations that are only used a few days per year.
@ seriously? Yes it was expensive for a couple of hours. Guess what? It works the other way too. We can sell to the continents when needed. It’s how all commodities are traded, including coal and gas and oil. Welcome to the world of day to day business. You do k ow how the world works, right? Ah, I don’t think you do. 😀
they should sell power banks for homes with their car, so people can fast charge at home. Otherwise the fast charging means very little to most countries without fast charging networks.
I feel like LFP batteries are catching up on NMC batteries so so fast... The Geely LFP battery in their Zeekr 7X also charges as fast as the NMC batteries 7X alternatives while at lower total battery capacity
To fill a Model 3 from 0 - 100% where I live would be about €4.28 and would get you over 400km of range. There's not really a lack of infrastructure in most places anymore, and the number of areas that truly lack charging are shrinking fast. Where abouts do you live? Do you own an EV? Or do you have a gas car and just assume that because you don't see charging stations that look like gas stations that there must not be any (charging stations can blend in pretty subtly if you're not looking for them). I bet if you used Google maps to search for chargers in your area you'd be shocked by how many there are (it only drops a certain number of pins at a time, so if you have your whole country in view when you search an area it will show you a dozen or so, zoom into your city and it will still show you a dozen, zoom into your neighbourhood and you'll still see a dozen).
Just drove through Europe in rented long range Teslay Y. Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary. " Fill up" average 35 euros and with this I could make around 400km. Big difference from "50euros for 300km". Maybe if you are in EQS SUV and charge in Germany in peak hours.
@@jetli740 In 15 years for sure! I love EVs but until infrastructure for cheap charging (equivalent for 3L benzin consumption per 100kms) won't be solved I am sticking to my old car. And waiting for solid state batteries. But batteries and range won't be a problem in 4-5 years.
Imagine the used car market in about 5-7 years: there will be millions of cars in the $5K range that drive perfectly and the batteries still charge to 80% or 90%.
This sounds amazing, when will it be delivered outside China? It's only when it's tested out side China will I believe. The longevity will take years to prove
Eu já viajei com um BMW M5 V10 e a autonomia era de 300km apenas. Não sei porque tanta reclamação em relação à recarga dos EVs. Pra mim, do jeito que está hoje, já está ótimo.
We deffinately need SS batteries for the extra capacity and faster charging speed necessary to replace vehicles used for towing. Right now one is faced with 1/3 the range and impossibly long charging in order to make it to the next supercharger.
Battery energy densities are still low at 185 Wh /kg.. Petrol is over 10,000. So yeah, we still need solid state batteries. This will result in smaller battery packs with more energy storage.
So a 160wh kg @ 6C pack will take power at the same rate as a 320wh kg @ 3C pack that is half the size. So 320wh kg @3C matches what Tesla has in their vehicles right now. Meaning that the 6C sounds impressive, but really is current tech.
Yes the miracle new battery will be even closer to being real, the company just needs a little more investment money, and it will work, honestly, no foolin this time!
I'm wondering how scalable this is. It's one thing to have a battery that can charge at 800 KW, but in the real world there has to be an infrastructure to allow this to happen, not just for the current fleet of BEVs (like 4% in the UK) but for vastly larger numbers. So, for example, you see so-called "fast" chargers in the UK that squirt out 75 KW. These currently work fine - as long as there aren't too many BEVs taking juice at the same time, because as soon as this happens, the output power to each car drops. The charging companies generally do not have the infrastructure (in the UK) to dispense full power to all of their fast chargers at a given station. Scaling it up to 500 KW that can dispense simultaneously to dozens of cars all feeding off the same input is in practice too difficult and too expensive. If such a thing was even possible you would then run into the problem of insufficient dispatchable power being generated on the grid. The idea that this will happen is, imo, for the birds.
When they can get 450 miles in 2 minutes, any weather, no degradation, affordable without subsidy, profitable charge stations without subsidy, they might be able to compete with normal cars and we can drop all the mandates.
The US has placed various barriers to prevent Chinese cars from coming in. As a result, no Chinese EV companies have any plans to expand into the US and you won't hear anything about them since there's no buzz. But you can hear all about them outside the US.
Now they just need to make something I want. Yes diesel petrol still easier and you don't have to keep the infrastructure on your property. Bored. You still ignore the whole explosive fire risk. A few more hhigh rises catch fire and finally gets msm coverage and its over.
Wouldn’t trust that betting sooner or later it will end in a 🔥can you imagine the load of electricity the chargers would require and good luck finding a working one that charges at that speed but they won’t be talking about that
I've just read and heard about CATL's swappable EV battery, Choco-Swap, that would enable an EV driver to swap their low battery for a fresh one at any of 1,000 (to start; plans to expand to 10,000) proprietary swap stations across China. With charging speeds such as those cited here, what would be the value-add of such an arrangement? Granted, CATL claims 100 seconds for the swap - so I suppose it's for folks who want even faster "recharge" or for other than the short-blade batteries boasting the high-C capabilities.
Great for the city. Not great in the case of driving long distance. You still need a hybrid like the byd shark. There are no charging stations in the Aussie countryside. The infrastructure to provide this much power to a charging station doesn't exist. And unless you are getting a big return on the huge investment to build it, it won't happen. Existing fuel stations and hybrids are what we country folk see as reality. Hopefully they put these batteries in decent hybrids and up the engine size slightly for faster charging on the move.
These high speed chargers are great for China as there is no suburbia, not so much needed in the West. Battery capacity is the need & that is lagging still.
Manufacturers need to standardize car chargers which is not the case today. Not a hodgepodge of variable charger connections. Same as gas pumps that fits all vehicles large and small.
Minor quibble, but 600kW charging will require substantial cables, even at 800V. Probably liquid cooled in places like Texas....... ever wondered why Tesla are putting canopies over their chargers at Giga Texas? Images on the video show pretty light cables.
Hey viking, 6C does not mean 1/6th of an hour... it means 6 times the capacity... so a pack of 60 KWH can be charged at 6 times 60 KW, so 360 KW.....but maybe it's just a Coincidence that it's also 1/6th of an hour
Nice B-rolls however none depict anything similar to charging cable capable of pushing needed 700A of current. 150kW cables already are hard to move around and it always feels they will tear out charging socket. Imagine what 500kW cable would look like.
A high c rate isn’t only good for charging, it also allows for more effective regenerative braking. But with import tariffs, how is this battery a win for GM? Is it even in mass production at a scale that GM could use it for a meaningful number of vehicles?
I think if you combine this with battery swapping, you could make the resale value of EVs really high, where you lease the battery, or can get any suspicious batter swapped out. You could also drive an absurdly low capacity, light battery most days and just swap out when taking a long trip. China seems so far ahead. I admit I mis-understood GW for GM, what a shame the U.S. companies are not the subject of this.
Id be very happy with a range of 500km and 20-80 in 20 mins. Anything more means I can't leave my vehicle while its DC charging. Batteries are pretty much there, I'd much rather see improvements in efficiency.
Thanks for pointing that news ! FC (Fast Charging) and SAFETY is the actual focus point in the battery industry. Better carry less battery weight and charge quickly more often. That brings more energy efficiencies overall and less cost. Fast Chargers are now ubiquitous in most countries. And for SAFETY, the LFP is #1 and NMC is stepping back from high nickel chemistries that are seen as too unstable for the actual huge market towards 100% BEV. Better have a lower energy density with better fast charging capabilities. China industry is right now able to match price parity between BEVs and ICEs. I also believe that Western ICEs prices will keep up increasing sharply from right now too because of more and more stringent regulations on toxic emissions + CAFE compensations on CO2 emissions + lower overall production volumes increasing R&D/tooling/plant production depreciation costs.
When am I going to see cheap E-bike battery, Electric Viking. Your past video said something like $53US for 1kw of lithium now. The cheapest I can find is £132 for a 13ah 36v battery. (468wh) The price is fine, but I want 30ah 48v for the price. (1.44kwh) I understand 20% VAT & shipping, but its still unjustifiably expensive.
Some facts. 60kwh battery pack requires 60kw over one hour to charge fully. Devide that 60 minutes by 8 minutes and you get 7.5x the required supply power through a cable unsupervised by qualified users. The charge cable is going to be one big heavy dangerous cable full of very threatening current. I work with 1kv electrical mining equipment and the risks associated with very high current are extreme. You die. The direction we are going in is the wrong direction. Rapid charge lithoum has existed for a long time, it is Lithium Titanium Oxide and it didnt take off because of the potential risks. There is a line you do not cross when it comes to high energy and the automotive industry is stepping over that line. I work on 1kv 150A mining trucks powered by a long power cable and that cable will lift you and throw you away just by its initial startup current when things go wrong. When youve seen a big cable lift into the air a meter just from the current pushing them away from the ground you begin to understand it. The only thing protecting similar in car charhing stations is the coms ready to shut down power if things go wrong but if that fails I tell you that "things going wrong" is extreme and severe.
So quick charging is just a function of more parallel batteries ie more blades. But tradeoff is density, and density is still the main target, since I'd rather have parity with gasoline engines than only 300 miles which can't even be fully used on road trips where it's needed. Density is just barely acceptable at 300 miles. Without a cheap and pervasive charging network evs are just not got right now for road tripping which is a total shame.
If every ICE vehicle went to fill up their tanks at the same time, the wait times would be horrible, supply tanks would run out,.... Oh, wait, that is not how the real world works.
There is a huge marketing flaw. EV makers should start using kms / miles as reference instead of % 10-80% in 8 mins sounds less impressive than 400 kms in 8 minutes (or) 100 kms in 2.5 minutes
Batteries that charge faster are a big problem for grid improvements as the capacity of the wires going to the charging stations must be able to carry that power. Mind you, over 60% of car owners in North America should have the facilities to charge at level 1 or level 2 overnight so there's inherently less of a need for DC fast charging than for gas stations where every ICE vehicle must refill at a gas station. (Most EV's would not have that need except on long distance intercity trips). Basically, extreme rapid recharging may be a favourite boast these days but are of little actual benefit.
900KW would need cables like an arm and a power plant if 10 cars charging ,not talking about thickness of wires and cooling inside charging circuit and also battery degradation. future of EVs is battery swap and even standardized safety ,connection and shape
You forget one thing the amount of power you will require is phenominal to achieve this and currently the UK grid is struggling to power the country with all this marvelous wind and solar that does not work when you require it most!! Also, china are experiencing 3000 plus EV fires a year which are chemical fires, the worst type. I will believe this hype when I see it as we have heard it all before.
"To contextualize this, let’s take a step back and examine historical data. In 2019, based on national regulatory platform analytics, China had an EV fleet of 3.81 million vehicles with 187 fire incidents. This represented a fire incident rate of 0.0049%, which is notably lower than the 0.01% to 0.02% probability for gasoline-powered vehicles. By 2020, the fire incident rate for EVs had further decreased to 0.0026%, still below the rates for traditional vehicles. Although data for 2021 is missing, the 2022 figures show that with 8.915 million EVs, the fire incident rate was 0.007%, continuing to be lower than that of gasoline-powered vehicles."
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Battery technology is just getting started.
Its dead.
It is started!
Yep, Bloomberg estimates that batteries are just at the start of their learning curve, similar to PCs in the 1980s or smartphones in the early 2000s.
Imagine if ICE cars had improved that fast for the last 100 years. We would be getting 200 miles to the gallon by now with 500 hp.
Didnt it start in the late 1800s?
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In case you have missed it, there is a new Q50 scooter made by Yadea, it has a sodium-ion battery pack made by Yuji Tech. It has up to 70 km of range and costs $450 to $590 USD.
*🤭 this is embarrassing you should Google XiaoMi Autonomous Scooter it is blowing up in the internet right now a lot of people even think its video is CGI*
Try taking your family on that fool.
I think may be the China price. I live in Thailand and the China price is doubled or tripled here. The Yadea is around $1600 US here and that after the Thai govt $560 EV rebate.
I personally have a little 36v lead acid scooter that I bought for about $185 in 2023. When new it had a range of 30km(18m) and a top speed of 39kmh(25mph)....it had 3 * 20Ah lead acid batteries in series. I swapped it out for a $65 LiFepo4 36v 6Ah battery and now get top speed of 50kph(31mph) and range of a little more, abit over 34km (20m). most of my rides are between 3 and 6 km so this is pretty awesome for me....I may add another battery in parallel to double the range....my wife gets even more speed and range due to her loser weight!!!!
Anyhow, mainly wanted to highlight how much more lithium batteries perform compared to lead acid.
@@kennethbowry1521 I see you aredense xd this is a tech channel too. So that news is also welcome here. Especially with that new type chemistry of battery.
@ I just posted it here since there are big expectations that sodium-ion batteries can be a cheaper and better alternative to li-ion batteries. That sodium-ion battery is supposed to work at least down to -20C, even though it is not very useful for a scooter. It is great that there is already a product with sodium-ion battery. Pricing in different markets will be different due to local import duties and local seller markups.
Thank you Sam, for the informative channel. Can you cover other EV applications like trucks, Planes, boats, ships, and military uses...
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The way i look at it is my ev is more convenient 99.9% of the time and the .1% its more inconvenient is on a road trip i rarely do
My wife takes our Tesla to work and I drive our gas cars. I never understood how inconvenient it was to fill a gas tank once a week until I learned how easy it is to plug in an EV at home.
Exactly. My EV drives way more than my diesel now because it is cheaper and more pleasant and fun to drive.
And if you are a person who would be 99% inconvenienced by an EV, they should buy a petrol car.
It’s not rocket science.🧪
I thought i saw GM Motors 😂
I saw Ford!...... 😂
In Australia the company that used to trade as Great Wall Motors now just uses its initials GWM.
@@rais1953to hide the shame of those terrible death traps/ rust buckets they imported into Australia.
Honestly, I made the same mistake and even started writing a comment: "Finally, great news. Competition is engine of evolution."
But then I noticed the mistake.
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You do realise charging 41.3kW of a 59 kWh battery in 8.5 minutes is about 700 amps at 415V three phase for the duration of that time.
Considering there could be 10 cars charging at once thats 7000 amps!
The infrastructure required will be phenomenal.
It's possible, but not gonna happen overnight and won't be cheap in the near future!
90% charge at home here in California. Chargers are everywhere but 90% empty.
If a car charges in 8.5 minutes instead of 34 minutes, it only uses the charger for 1/4th of the time, meaning average power required to charge 10 cars remains the same independent of how fast they charge. If each car charges 4 times quicker, there will be only 1/4th of cars charging at the same time.
@@valuemastery afraid you missed the point entirely and went off in another direction.
Now imagine a fleet of 100 tesla semis charging every night.
The limiting factor in charging isn't your car these days, it's how many KW you can get out of your charging station.
Not even that. Limiting factor is human. Who wants to drive 300-400 miles without a rest of 20 minutes.
@fritslevie4461 if the human can go 400 miles, and the car can only go 270, then is the human the "limiting" factor? 🧠
@@fritslevie4461 If you have not driven in Australia where Melbourne to Sydney is a 800 km (500 mile trip) and most do that in a day stoping to refil a nd have a break maybe every 3-4 hrs
@@fritslevie4461 Easily. I have done that 300 miles trip many times without stop.
@@dogefromthefuture Most people cannot sit and drive for 7+ hours, without needing to stop for a bathroom break or to stretch their legs. I would like longer range in an EV so I could bypass some charge points, if I choose to stop earlier due to sitting in traffic and need the break. If there is more range and less traffic issues, I could opt for another. That being said, I owned an Audi e-tron with a rated 222 miles of range, which was more like 170s to 180s miles in actual highway driving (driving as I did with ICE cars), with 7-10% battery charge remaining. Yes, in the early days I would charge to 100% to start and again at stops, with some experience, I followed what the car recommended and certainly at that point I was due for a break. 2-2+ hours was usually the recommended stopping point, without needing to charge to 100% for the next leg, although sometimes I would charge higher if there were elevation gains along the route.
Canada here. It does get down to -43 here occasionally (much more often in the farther Northern regions) and even colder. Where I live, -20 in the winter is not uncommon - though, admittedly, it has not gotten that cold this winter and there is hardly any snow on the ground right now, in January- thanks, climate change. My Tesla M3 loses about 35% of its range in really cold temps, so these batteries would really be welcome!
Batteries that are not so effected by the cold would really help
That was fixed ages ago, keep up please (smile)
I've worked in Prudhoe Bay Alaska, situated on the Arctic Ocean. Normal Temperatures were -45 C with windchill -70 C. We drove 1998 Chevy Silverado truck with a 6.5 L Diesel Engine.
Note, for 3 months, except for oil changes, the motors were never turned off.
Its when temperatures drop to -52 C (Ft McMurray, Northern Alberta, Canada) that things get really bad. Steel gets brittle like glass, rubber shatters as it turns solid as rock. But even at these temperature, if the truck is plugged in it starts (Sometimes)...
Well, if you're already used to plugging in, why not use an electric truck that is way more energy efficient and can heat its battery just as well when it is plugged in?
There will be a place for ICE for a very long time( such as super sold climates, aviation for quiet a while but not forever)....but not in the average run of the mill household in a very short time.
@@Ulbre Super cold climates are also not good for ICE : Engine, transmissions oils becomes thick or even solid ! Also engine & transmission seals are harden and might fail once the engine heats up. Their rubber must survive hot temperatures over 100°c, so such rubber is not qualified below -30°c at best.
Usually, ICE Engine specs are required until -20°c. -30°c possible but at higher material costs (special rubbers for instance) and less fuel efficiency due to larger tolerances of machining and so on.
This is why in super cold climates they need to keep the engines warm by electric heaters or simply on. Or have a heated garage.... or put a fire under the engine as Russians are famous for doing ....
BEV on the other end, is less prone to failure under very cold condition if the chemistry of the cell is adequate : Sodium based is the best for super cold climate ! maybe a mixed pack with Sodium / Li-Ion. Also the car may be designed to keep warmed while connected to the charge with less energy loss than an ICE plugged.
@@chryoko Talk to a Russian in Yukitia. They know how to run ICE vehicles all year without too much problem.
Whooptie doo, I'm happy for you.
Excellent work.
Thank you so much 😀
I'd love to, one day dissagree or just feel a comment of yours is imperfect, but having followed you since you wore a leather jacket, I admit this presentation is correct. Thankyou.🎉
Viking do you ever sleep the amount of your content is amazing
New game-changing battery. It must be Wednesday.
Only half a dozen miracle new batteries this week, slow week!
These comments are weird. Battery development is undergoing an absolute revolution worldwide. Investment globally in R&D has taken off life crazy. So obviously there’s a regular cadence of significant announcements. The snark in these kinds of comments is just a bit odd.
I can't wait for the German engineer telling is it can't be done - until Chinese do it
The problem is that Legacies (not only Germans) focus on the car design first that put lot of constraints to the battery pack design that cascades down to the cell format and chemistry.....suboptimal !
What they need to do is the exact opposite :
Choose the best known chemistry for the car market segment targeted (power, FC, energy, safety , temperature range ....), then design the pack around the cell, then design the car around the pack.
This is how you get the most optimal performance and cost.
@@chryoko This is what Lucid did. Their engineering is remarkable!
@@joergmaass normally any car-start-up is doing so from a blank page. while legacies always tries to do it cheap / easy by modifying at minima their decades old ICE platforms .... with the bad result we witness right now and low sales they attribute to lack of demand 😁
...another option for the german engineer is to say that Chiba achieved something but Germany already has something better (theoretically)... 🤣
Chinese cars are deadly ua-cam.com/video/c1MWleXxmeU/v-deo.html
Lol, 400k warranty vs...
Me putting a new engine in my 2018 Chevy Cruze with only 52k right now.
Tough call!
No worries, they will find a way to screw you over if you switch. 🤗
Yup even the famous ICE engine designers/ builders began loosing their mojo a long time ago as soon as they had to get more efficient and cleaner . To stop killing us all... it's like you can have the power but it will cost ...cost you twice and if you want both of the former it's going to cost you three times because we've tried turning an ICE fundamental pigs ear of. device into an electric motor silk purse. 🤷🏻
As Kurt said.
Dear future generations: Please accept our apologies. We were rolling drunk on petroleum.
Kurt Vonnegut
There are still numb nuts bullies trying to stuff people's heads in the Tar pits that killed even 🦖
We still need to get away from using exotic metals in Batteries and motors.. and vehicles in general have to go back to being updatable repairable long term assets. Relatively free of fashion ... and far more defined by functionalism and sustainability .
Meantime we have to keep an eye on what we ask from our environments and the numbers of us that it can cope with.
It's been quite a few years since the mass of the manmade exceeded the biological mass of the Earth. It doesn't take a genius or War veteran SF writer like Kurt or Frank Herbert to see that's neither clever or going to be good.
That sucks, man. Too bad Trump and Biden won't let you have this EV battery because it's made in China.
In the US EV battery packs have to have a 8 year 100,000 mile warranty by law. There is no requirement at all for ICE cars to have a warranty but most are only 3 years 36,000 miles.
There will be a place for ICE for a very long time( such as super sold climates, aviation for quiet a while but not forever)....but not in the average run of the mill household in a very short time.
Thanks WEF rep.
I'll believe this when it snows upward.. 6:30
That only happens in China.
I would love to hear an update on the electric construction vehicle market - the electric construction equipment has even more advantages than the electric cars compared with ICUs
In the UK, JCB are working on hydrogen combustion engines. It’s one of the uses for hydrogen that may make sense, we will see. I’m sceptical, but not closed minded to hydrogen in this role.
Hydrogen gas is it’s used, but not as a fuel for general use. Only specific uses where electricity would not be practical.
Hydrogen for industry though, I can fully get behind (steel, fertilisers, chemicals, etc). And you could justify some rail and road transport off the back of that.
I still believe the future is a blend of ICE, EV and hydrogen. We just should pick the right tool for the right situation.
Volvo has a full range of EV construction machinery. JCB has electric earth movers. It is making a mistake with Hydrogen, as there is no infrastructure and no incentives to build one.
It's so cold at 6:30 it's snowing upwards!
ha, that's what flat earthers think happens to snow in the South on a globe 😉
The sky is the limit.
Best to wait five years. Depreciation will be massive on existing BEVs
Whatever the depreciation shall be, the 5 years long savings in fuel will help compensate it. I save almost $300.00 a month. My BYD costs 25,000.00. Do the math!
Then you can just lease the car, then you know what it cost and buy the next if you think its over in 5 years.
@@giancarlopellizzari1751where are you buying a 25k BYD from? I call untruth.
@@giancarlopellizzari1751 ua-cam.com/video/c1MWleXxmeU/v-deo.html GOD HELP YOU !
A depreciação é alta hoje pela baixa procura de um EV usado, mas daqui a 5 anos os carros à combustão não valerão nada e os elétricos já estarão estabelecidos no mercado.
-20C here in northern Canada is mild when compared to -55C typically at nite. ICE trucks and cars are not shut off unless placed inside a heated garage for maintenance. Radiators are covered by an insulating blanket to keep brutal cold air out.
How do the full battery EVs do in such cold?
I don't know if they've come to market yet, but supposedly some new batteries were going to have far less decrease in range in the cold than the ones currently on the market.
@@jeffbuchholz954 The EV's do pretty good. Key is to keep them always plugged in when not driving and a garage makes a BIG difference. Reduced range of course, just like an ICE experiences. But in the land of the Midnight Sun we move and work slowly and carefully and never stress out the vehicles or machinery.
@ Thanks for the info.
How do people cope then when leaving home (& garage) for extended periods?
What happens when one goes to a hockey game, or football game or to a weekend cabin in the deep woods when there is no garage for extended periods... or perhaps no electric charging options?
@@jeffbuchholz954 most such facilities or businesses already have 110V plugins used for ICE engine block heaters. Also ICE vehicles will have a battery “blanket” to keep the battery warm (110 V plug in). Also many ICE vehicles will also have a 110 V plug in car/truck cabin heater/warmer. So ICE vehicles typically have THREE plug in items! An EV has one of course. We simply carry the 110 V charging cable and just plug it into any block heater plug. This means any such plug ins are now easy for EV’s to use, no expensive charging stations needed, or big capital outlay. As for wilderness locations with no AC power, if you plan to park for a few days not plugged in you set your car’s computer to come on every so often to warm the inside. Power drawn from the traction battery is good, as it keeps the battery warm when discharging. We tend to avoid such issues and that’s why most of us have an ICE vehicle also. Some will deploy a single solar panel (chained) to trickle charge the traction battery, if it isn’t during the “long dark” period. In the extreme north it is all a matter of planning and having backups. Also some folks have a portable generator in their truck and can, arranged, stop at your EV and charge it up for a half hour or so. We tend to look after each other, as -50C can simply mean death in about 10 minutes or less.
If this goes into mass production at an affordable price it´s brillant.
When GM announced something futuristic for the last 4 decades, you can bet it is just another huge hype to gain super charged in the stock market only.
It's about super fast charging in the stock options.
03:26 - budget cars as well because it will be cheaper to manufacture just the best option, just one option instead of companies having to set up different lines.
Charge a 60 kWh battery in 8 minutes. Where do you get the almost one half mega W charger. Multiply this with ten charging slots ...
This is a lack of imagination. The electrification can be done very fast if the politicians do their job.
if your country cant do it then consider your country a backward country.
@@fcalin21When do politicians do their job in a timely manner ??? Except for their own pay rises.
@@ivepeters Good point! Maybe we should elect more progressive politicians instead of the backwards oriented criminal slobs and con men we usually do?
@@fcalin21You gonna pay for the whole electricity grid to be replaced?
The grid in the UK came close to blackout zone over christmas and they are discussing 600kw charging.
Well, if they had pushed renewables and battery storage, together with grid adaption, more, they wouldn't have that problem.
Except it didn’t because that is not how the system works.
Energy is currently shuffled around Europe as needs demand, that is literal how the system works. All that happened was a potential shortage on the domestic front was addressed by bringing some in. This is how the system is meant to work. It saves a fortune each year in not having to have unused power stations that are only used a few days per year.
@@javelinXH992at what cost? I read they had to pay exorbitant prices to cover it..that’s what called energy security??😂😂
@@javelinXH992 Well said!
@ seriously? Yes it was expensive for a couple of hours.
Guess what? It works the other way too. We can sell to the continents when needed. It’s how all commodities are traded, including coal and gas and oil. Welcome to the world of day to day business. You do k ow how the world works, right? Ah, I don’t think you do. 😀
they should sell power banks for homes with their car, so people can fast charge at home. Otherwise the fast charging means very little to most countries without fast charging networks.
I feel like LFP batteries are catching up on NMC batteries so so fast... The Geely LFP battery in their Zeekr 7X also charges as fast as the NMC batteries 7X alternatives while at lower total battery capacity
The problem is the lack of infrastructure and high charging prices! You drive 300 kms for 50 Euros if you fast charge! NUTTS!
Yes, but >90% of charging happens at home or in the parking of the workplace. High-speed charging has way fewer use-cases than petrol stations.
To fill a Model 3 from 0 - 100% where I live would be about €4.28 and would get you over 400km of range. There's not really a lack of infrastructure in most places anymore, and the number of areas that truly lack charging are shrinking fast. Where abouts do you live? Do you own an EV? Or do you have a gas car and just assume that because you don't see charging stations that look like gas stations that there must not be any (charging stations can blend in pretty subtly if you're not looking for them). I bet if you used Google maps to search for chargers in your area you'd be shocked by how many there are (it only drops a certain number of pins at a time, so if you have your whole country in view when you search an area it will show you a dozen or so, zoom into your city and it will still show you a dozen, zoom into your neighbourhood and you'll still see a dozen).
Just drove through Europe in rented long range Teslay Y. Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary. " Fill up" average 35 euros and with this I could make around 400km. Big difference from "50euros for 300km". Maybe if you are in EQS SUV and charge in Germany in peak hours.
eventually all work place will have charger for their staff, while you have to drive around looking for the ever shrinking petrol station
@@jetli740 In 15 years for sure! I love EVs but until infrastructure for cheap charging (equivalent for 3L benzin consumption per 100kms) won't be solved I am sticking to my old car. And waiting for solid state batteries. But batteries and range won't be a problem in 4-5 years.
Imagine the used car market in about 5-7 years: there will be millions of cars in the $5K range that drive perfectly and the batteries still charge to 80% or 90%.
8 minutes battery charge is pretty good. we lack charge stations, imagine the charger station for it, I guess 1MW station?
they will build charing station with that capacity when the car on sale, it away is
There are hundred thousands 600KW charging station in China
This sounds amazing, when will it be delivered outside China? It's only when it's tested out side China will I believe. The longevity will take years to prove
The future sounds amazing
I'm happy that China can make good car.
I'm not happy its take too long to come to Australia。
"Claimed... appears to be... apparently..."
I will believe it when it's in the showroom.
Theyve already taken electric offroad trucks up Killimanjaro ...but a lot of places in the Atacama desert of S. America are as high.
Eu já viajei com um BMW M5 V10 e a autonomia era de 300km apenas. Não sei porque tanta reclamação em relação à recarga dos EVs. Pra mim, do jeito que está hoje, já está ótimo.
a battery drill that just goes on and on
ice cars have no warranty of 1 million km, but there are numerous diesel engines of vw and mercedes that achieve these numbers.
We deffinately need SS batteries for the extra capacity and faster charging speed necessary to replace vehicles used for towing. Right now one is faced with 1/3 the range and impossibly long charging in order to make it to the next supercharger.
50% reduced range when towing our 1.7T boat with our Volvo XC40 EV
Battery energy densities are still low at 185 Wh /kg.. Petrol is over 10,000. So yeah, we still need solid state batteries. This will result in smaller battery packs with more energy storage.
So a 160wh kg @ 6C pack will take power at the same rate as a 320wh kg @ 3C pack that is half the size. So 320wh kg @3C matches what Tesla has in their vehicles right now. Meaning that the 6C sounds impressive, but really is current tech.
I am curious if they are really going to use graphite in a new LG battery within this decade
Every company should just announce they have developed batteries that charge in one minute with no existing products for sale or say coming soon..
The power will cost way more than the energy!
Just imagine in 10 years😂
It will be incredible
Yes the miracle new battery will be even closer to being real, the company just needs a little more investment money, and it will work, honestly, no foolin this time!
👍👍👍👍
Going to need a PD of 250-300w/kg to replace ICE hopefully not too far away
👍👍
I'm wondering how scalable this is. It's one thing to have a battery that can charge at 800 KW, but in the real world there has to be an infrastructure to allow this to happen, not just for the current fleet of BEVs (like 4% in the UK) but for vastly larger numbers. So, for example, you see so-called "fast" chargers in the UK that squirt out 75 KW. These currently work fine - as long as there aren't too many BEVs taking juice at the same time, because as soon as this happens, the output power to each car drops. The charging companies generally do not have the infrastructure (in the UK) to dispense full power to all of their fast chargers at a given station. Scaling it up to 500 KW that can dispense simultaneously to dozens of cars all feeding off the same input is in practice too difficult and too expensive. If such a thing was even possible you would then run into the problem of insufficient dispatchable power being generated on the grid. The idea that this will happen is, imo, for the birds.
Exactly
When they can get 450 miles in 2 minutes, any weather, no degradation, affordable without subsidy, profitable charge stations without subsidy, they might be able to compete with normal cars and we can drop all the mandates.
It is already here. BaaS = EV which support battery swapping.
Check, doube check, triple check.
Warranty as wel 😅
I'd love know how long these batteries last in time, if, for example you drive 20 000km a year would it last for 75 years
Sam, I am a big fan of your channel, but here in America we do not hear of anyone else praising the Chinese electric cars. Why?
The US has placed various barriers to prevent Chinese cars from coming in. As a result, no Chinese EV companies have any plans to expand into the US and you won't hear anything about them since there's no buzz. But you can hear all about them outside the US.
Propaganda wall
High taxes on Chinese vehicles .
You also don't hear about the Israelis controlling your govt. You need to look them up.
Trump!
Try to collect on these warranties.
Now they just need to make something I want.
Yes diesel petrol still easier and you don't have to keep the infrastructure on your property.
Bored. You still ignore the whole explosive fire risk.
A few more hhigh rises catch fire and finally gets msm coverage and its over.
Fast charging is more important than range, beleive me, I own an electric smart fortwo... 😊
Wouldn’t trust that betting sooner or later it will end in a 🔥can you imagine the load of electricity the chargers would require and good luck finding a working one that charges at that speed but they won’t be talking about that
I've just read and heard about CATL's swappable EV battery, Choco-Swap, that would enable an EV driver to swap their low battery for a fresh one at any of 1,000 (to start; plans to expand to 10,000) proprietary swap stations across China. With charging speeds such as those cited here, what would be the value-add of such an arrangement? Granted, CATL claims 100 seconds for the swap - so I suppose it's for folks who want even faster "recharge" or for other than the short-blade batteries boasting the high-C capabilities.
Great for the city. Not great in the case of driving long distance. You still need a hybrid like the byd shark. There are no charging stations in the Aussie countryside. The infrastructure to provide this much power to a charging station doesn't exist. And unless you are getting a big return on the huge investment to build it, it won't happen. Existing fuel stations and hybrids are what we country folk see as reality. Hopefully they put these batteries in decent hybrids and up the engine size slightly for faster charging on the move.
The infrastructure is suitable for the big power what the fast charging needs! Its all sciencefiction this😂
Yes but will CATL be around in15 years
These high speed chargers are great for China as there is no suburbia, not so much needed in the West. Battery capacity is the need & that is lagging still.
Manufacturers need to standardize car chargers which is not the case today. Not a hodgepodge of variable charger connections. Same as gas pumps that fits all vehicles large and small.
CCS is the accepted standard in Australia - problem solved
Minor quibble, but 600kW charging will require substantial cables, even at 800V. Probably liquid cooled in places like Texas....... ever wondered why Tesla are putting canopies over their chargers at Giga Texas? Images on the video show pretty light cables.
Hey viking, 6C does not mean 1/6th of an hour... it means 6 times the capacity... so a pack of 60 KWH can be charged at 6 times 60 KW, so 360 KW.....but maybe it's just a Coincidence that it's also 1/6th of an hour
Nice B-rolls however none depict anything similar to charging cable capable of pushing needed 700A of current. 150kW cables already are hard to move around and it always feels they will tear out charging socket. Imagine what 500kW cable would look like.
A high c rate isn’t only good for charging, it also allows for more effective regenerative braking. But with import tariffs, how is this battery a win for GM? Is it even in mass production at a scale that GM could use it for a meaningful number of vehicles?
I think if you combine this with battery swapping, you could make the resale value of EVs really high, where you lease the battery, or can get any suspicious batter swapped out. You could also drive an absurdly low capacity, light battery most days and just swap out when taking a long trip. China seems so far ahead. I admit I mis-understood GW for GM, what a shame the U.S. companies are not the subject of this.
The battery, if sealed, can work under water.
Id be very happy with a range of 500km and 20-80 in 20 mins. Anything more means I can't leave my vehicle while its DC charging. Batteries are pretty much there, I'd much rather see improvements in efficiency.
Thanks for pointing that news !
FC (Fast Charging) and SAFETY is the actual focus point in the battery industry. Better carry less battery weight and charge quickly more often. That brings more energy efficiencies overall and less cost. Fast Chargers are now ubiquitous in most countries.
And for SAFETY, the LFP is #1 and NMC is stepping back from high nickel chemistries that are seen as too unstable for the actual huge market towards 100% BEV. Better have a lower energy density with better fast charging capabilities.
China industry is right now able to match price parity between BEVs and ICEs.
I also believe that Western ICEs prices will keep up increasing sharply from right now too because of more and more stringent regulations on toxic emissions + CAFE compensations on CO2 emissions + lower overall production volumes increasing R&D/tooling/plant production depreciation costs.
Sub zero charging, is that possible at -43C ?
looks like i will have to eat my words with batteries like this coming.at the moment i retain my opinion on whats available now
Weekly game changer.
Charge at home? Not when you live in a city
so what is the capacity at -43 deg?
who lives there? what petrol cars survive there?
@@lauchlanguddy1004 did you watch the video? the battery supposedly worked at -43. Whol lives there? Half of Russia, Sweden, Norway and Canada...
I scanned the title as GM Motors.
ice engines are forced induction, if they sense lack of oxygen then up the boost and get more oxygen
When am I going to see cheap E-bike battery, Electric Viking. Your past video said something like $53US for 1kw of lithium now.
The cheapest I can find is £132 for a 13ah 36v battery. (468wh)
The price is fine, but I want 30ah 48v for the price. (1.44kwh)
I understand 20% VAT & shipping, but its still unjustifiably expensive.
Starts burning in 5 seconds.
So all the cars available now will be scrap? Better hold off buying one.
Some facts.
60kwh battery pack requires 60kw over one hour to charge fully.
Devide that 60 minutes by 8 minutes and you get 7.5x the required supply power through a cable unsupervised by qualified users.
The charge cable is going to be one big heavy dangerous cable full of very threatening current.
I work with 1kv electrical mining equipment and the risks associated with very high current are extreme. You die. The direction we are going in is the wrong direction.
Rapid charge lithoum has existed for a long time, it is Lithium Titanium Oxide and it didnt take off because of the potential risks. There is a line you do not cross when it comes to high energy and the automotive industry is stepping over that line.
I work on 1kv 150A mining trucks powered by a long power cable and that cable will lift you and throw you away just by its initial startup current when things go wrong. When youve seen a big cable lift into the air a meter just from the current pushing them away from the ground you begin to understand it.
The only thing protecting similar in car charhing stations is the coms ready to shut down power if things go wrong but if that fails I tell you that "things going wrong" is extreme and severe.
Yes, even if any of the dozen 'miracle new battery' stories we hear every week are true, it's never going to be practical to charge them.
Fast charging in mobile phones has been normal for China phones. Samsung and iPhone never seem to pickup the tech
So quick charging is just a function of more parallel batteries ie more blades. But tradeoff is density, and density is still the main target, since I'd rather have parity with gasoline engines than only 300 miles which can't even be fully used on road trips where it's needed. Density is just barely acceptable at 300 miles. Without a cheap and pervasive charging network evs are just not got right now for road tripping which is a total shame.
Wouldn't take many of these charging at once to collapse the grid.
That's if we actually had enough chargers.
If every ICE vehicle went to fill up their tanks at the same time, the wait times would be horrible, supply tanks would run out,.... Oh, wait, that is not how the real world works.
There is a huge marketing flaw. EV makers should start using kms / miles as reference instead of %
10-80% in 8 mins sounds less impressive than 400 kms in 8 minutes (or) 100 kms in 2.5 minutes
Canada tested an 8 million mile battery.
Batteries that charge faster are a big problem for grid improvements as the capacity of the wires going to the charging stations must be able to carry that power. Mind you, over 60% of car owners in North America should have the facilities to charge at level 1 or level 2 overnight so there's inherently less of a need for DC fast charging than for gas stations where every ICE vehicle must refill at a gas station. (Most EV's would not have that need except on long distance intercity trips). Basically, extreme rapid recharging may be a favourite boast these days but are of little actual benefit.
In other words, anything other than short trips will always be a nightmare in an EV.
GM crushed their best EVs in the Arizona desert. They wanted to demonstrate their fealty and reverence for the Saudis.
Why don’t large North American manufacturers use this tech in their EV. Then you show the buyers what makes your EV better than the next.
So your thumbnail say charge in 8 minutes and straight away you state 9 minutes, make up your mind.
900KW would need cables like an arm and a power plant if 10 cars charging ,not talking about thickness of wires and cooling inside charging circuit and also battery degradation. future of EVs is battery swap and even standardized safety ,connection and shape
You forget one thing the amount of power you will require is phenominal to achieve this and currently the UK grid is struggling to power the country with all this marvelous wind and solar that does not work when you require it most!! Also, china are experiencing 3000 plus EV fires a year which are chemical fires, the worst type. I will believe this hype when I see it as we have heard it all before.
"To contextualize this, let’s take a step back and examine historical data. In 2019, based on national regulatory platform analytics, China had an EV fleet of 3.81 million vehicles with 187 fire incidents. This represented a fire incident rate of 0.0049%, which is notably lower than the 0.01% to 0.02% probability for gasoline-powered vehicles. By 2020, the fire incident rate for EVs had further decreased to 0.0026%, still below the rates for traditional vehicles. Although data for 2021 is missing, the 2022 figures show that with 8.915 million EVs, the fire incident rate was 0.007%, continuing to be lower than that of gasoline-powered vehicles."
Buy the car now then maybe in 5 years they will start making the high capacity chargers
Now make the motors last 1.5km...