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I never change my aluminum bikes. I try to always look for quality aluminum. If i ever do a change it would be Titanium.
I love touring , you take your bike and just get so much more immersed in it when you tour, and it's you getting there under your own power the adventure different countries etc, plus the fun of getting all the gear for it ,and making up the new plan for next year's tour , reading about people's adventures, each to there own , but carbon's not for me.
Despite the BB 30 bottom bracket, my CAAD 10 would be my go to bike in any contest … and, yes I’ve had or have four carbon frames from two different manufacturers.
'Carbon bike' sounds so good when she says it.
A ❤ from Katie!
I agree, the effect of a nice group set on ride quality is incredible. However, I think that upgrading to a really nice set of wheels with smooth hubs e.g. DT 350/DT 240 and really good tires has an even more transformative effect.
,,I am a frame builder. I have owned carbon bikes before. Most people get caught up in all of the hype about carbon without checking into the actual alleged weight savings. A Trek (OCLV) carbon frame weighs 1.15kg or 2.54 lbs . I have built aluminum frames typically weigh from .976 kg to 1.360 kg. So, besides the fact that I have built lighter than carbon and that there is not that much difference between carbon and one of my heavier frames, your point is well taken.
You make a lot of sense Katie. I was just about to pull the trigger. The problem is that if you want a 105 group set, that does not come on an alloy bike.
Spot on. Our club has a man that does daily rides of 90 miles, and then tours around the country on his bike. His primary bike is steel, but of course he's a huge man, too. Not a sprinter, but I would bet his bike is the best comfort ride he could find and will probably last for years and years.
I'm not the biggest fan of aluminum because it vibrates and slows down so much over rough pavement. My carbon bike just sort of skitters over the smaller bumps without getting too much involved with them.
For commuting, shopping, touring, and sometimes even a group ride I ride a steel Trek 330 from 1988. I adore that thing. It's basically indestrucable. It's also very smooth-riding, quiet, and comfortable, yet still responsive and not too heavy. AND when you pull up to a traffic signal, it trips the sensor so you can get a green light.
But I go much faster with the same effort level on my carbon bike. The overall speed difference on my usual 38-mile, fairly hilly after-work workout ride is just under 3 miles per hour. So I'd be nuts to do a road race with with my steel bike. People who say carbon is just a scam don't race.
The overall point is that you need to get the right bike for your needs, riding style, and physiology. If you race, carbon or maybe titanium is best because in a race every little bit of lightness and stiffness counts. For touring, commuting, and running errands, carbon isn't likely your best choice because durability and functionality are more important than going a couple MPH faster.
It’s not a scam, it’s called marketing. All the information is readily available. People choose to buy the items they buy. Mostly the same people who have to own the newest phone every year. I always recommend to people that if you’re only going to train and have fun, get an alloy bike. If you’re going to race, get a carbon bike too. Or just get what makes you happy.
It's the law of diminishing returns against peer pressure / marketing.
Spend the most amount of money on the best frame you can. That's my policy. I'd rather buy the lightest, stiffest carbon frame and improve the components later. High end carbon is amazing. But high end aluminum is better than a cheap carbon, if we are talking a low price point
Work on your fitness not on your bike :D
Well said KK. I have just cycled the North Coast 500 in the Scottish Highlands( video pending ) on my favourite alloy "Flat bar " bike and have done both JOGLE and LEJOG on it. I know it is not as aero nor anywhere near as quick as my much lighter Dura ace carbon road bike but it does exactly what it says on the label. It is comfy, robust and will take the knocks, plus carry some panniers....not cool I know. To be honest, if a bike looks good I tend to like it no matter what it is. The bamboo bike DurianRider uses is a classic example. Take care.
Love your argument favouring alloy over carbon. Marketing men know what they're doing, and are good at selling us stuff, and bike manufacturers have big marketing budgets. OED definition of "marketing" - Creating a market where none exists. They certainly did that with carbon. However, decades ago, they also did it with alloy. Don't know if you've tried a steel bike, but everybody should. Unfashionable, but it knocks spots (of rust?) off alloy for comfort. Miles better. Comes down to whether one cares about the small extra weight more than the fantastic extra comfort.
Really interesting video. What you said makes sense. Thanks.
Overall, I agree with this. However, at the end of the day, the price difference between an entry-level carbon and alloy bike with 105 is maybe only a few hundred dollars. If you already have an alloy bike, it doesn't make sense to upgrade, but if you're looking to buy a new bike anyway, it's not that crazy to go with carbon.
I would like to hear about group sets. I think the range on my bike is too small as the low gear is not low enough and the high gear like wise. This on a 24 speed bike. How do you know what gears will be best?
Thanks Katie, all my bikes are used, I tend to buy off people who buy at the top end, never ride them, and sell them much cheap. Yep, I love those people, think about it, save your cash.🌿🌿😃
A bit late to the show.
I kept cracking carbon frames. 4 over the last 8 years, one of those- the same bike cracked 3 different times in 3 different places . Trek Madone, S-works, Canondale. Doesn't matter. No crashes, falling over and striking things, no over torquing. Put 80k on an Eddy Merckx steel frame over 20 years. Not one failure. Lighter and less material = less durable. Riding ti now- zero issues once more. Took me 10 years but finally did the math. DUH. Although carbon is fast, stiff and light, doesn't matter if you can't ride it. Done with it. End of story.
Hah, I just bought a new MTBI A Yeti SB5. It's a beauty, prettiest thing you ever did see type of thing. All carbon frame, 12 speed 10 - 50 cassette (SRAM components). Yep, your next thing is better wheels. Setting up older road bike with 11 - 36 and fenders for fun later this winter as weather allows. Cheers.
good advice,I been riding for 30 years and learn everything you say over the years. The bike doesn't make the rider, the rider makes the bike. You cant buy time. My saying has been if a 6000$
bike would make you faster we would all mortgage the farm and buy one. Love you.
I'm adding a scott team addict to my stable and at 14 1/2 lbs with full dura ace groupset for an xl vs my scott al speedster 20 105 groupset is 22lbs for xl so there is a definite weight savings but I'll be keeping my al bike for the trainer or as spare if somebody wants to ride with me just need to weigh the pros and cons of each I'm always weight conscious when it comes to spending money has to be worth the expense to justify the purchase
I have aluminum frame with SRAM Force, but with aluminum cranks... WAY better and faster than my carbon bike. Better to have aluminum with better components. And stiffer aluminum bike climbs better, and I feel more secure in it at 50mph downhill. By the way, I use an aluminum cyclocross bike, and switch tires: 27c road tires on summer, and 32c cyclocross tires on winter. 2 bikes in 1.
Glad it's not just me who prefers the alloy :)
Spot on, weight is overrated. On the flat, it makes (almost) no difference. In the climbs, once you add your own body weight, it makes little difference. 1 kg, for example, may seem like a lot, but It's only slightly over 1% of the combined bicycle-rider total weight. Once you get to about 9 kg, each kg of weight loss on the bike will cost you about a grand (down to the UCI limit), and you know what the song says, a grand don't come for free. Unless you're a pro flirting with the limits of fitness, I think it's way easier to get 1% fitter than to save a thousand quid, and better for you too. A couple of 400-metre interval sessions on the running track will make you more than 1% fitter, and it'll take less than a week. Besides, carbon is fragile. There's plenty of videos here on UA-cam of carbon handlebars snapping -- and not only the cheap Chinese ones; many pros have snapped their expensive carbon bars during easy rides. Oh, and one more thing: nobody wants a second-hand carbon frame, so once you've pulled the trigger and bought it, you're stuck with it for good (unless you want to give it away for peanuts, of course). Each to their own, but I don't think carbon is worth the money, and even when money is no object, I'm not sure the trade-off in fragility is worth the weight savings for the recreational rider. So yeah, good bit of advice here in this video.
I have 105 shifters too. I upgraded from Soras, and I like the thumb click of the old Soras a lot better. It's faster and a lot less effort than extending your index all the way to the end of the brake lever paddle. Oh well.
steel is real I have had now for 17 years. I love it.have been hit by a car and many crashesover the years.it is still in very good shape. have 105 triple it rides like a dream will never go to carbon.
The most sensible comments I found on this topic, genuinely true.
Thanks so much Saif, and so glad you found it helpful :)
I done exactly the same, started riding two years ago. Decided to upgrade to a Carbon, after a month or two of having the carbon bike I wish I'd just upgraded the groupset and wheels for 1/4 of the price!
Luke.... EXACTLY! That's exactly what I thought about it too. You could just sell the carbon and put the cash to upgrading the alloy? i'm selling my carbon bike. Just not worth keeping as I ALWAYS go to the alloy for any type of riding. Just prefer that beast :)
Worst part is my Carbon bike got a crack after 2 rides! Managed to get it all sorted although it took what felt like forever, lost about two months of riding, which isn't great when I'm trying to build endurance as I'm fairly new still, so every little helps.
I know this would have never happened with my alloy bike. I'm think after a year or two I'll definitely go back to alloy.
Yes, My alloy is great. When I was looking to upgrade I was told I need to buy carbon, nah! I'm happy with my alloy
True, the carbon bike it's a very more expensive but never performance so better
My wife just bought me a giant slr gx 3, way above my initial budget... I can't see me ever needing another bike let alone a carbon one. Unfortunately 90%(guestimate) of the population are programmed to be consumerist.
Well stated Katie. Several Continental Pro teams are riding alloy bikes. Axeon Hagens Berman are riding Specialized Allex Sprints as their primary road frame. www.axeoncycling.com/gear
I see the 950 mil elite bottles in the background... LOVE those bottles.
nagev Elite bottles are way better than CamelFAIL 🙂👍🏻
Alloy or carbon frames are difficult to repair; if you want repairability then go steel (or Ti for bombproof). Also aluminium alloys naturally degrade over time whereas steel doesn’t (not sure about carbon, tho I’ve got a 12 yo Mojo AM and that’s still fine).
Having said all that, I’m currently building a bamboo audax frame, so I’ll let you know how I get on with that! :-P
Ooooh yeah please le the know how you get on with the build! That sounds an epic audax bike! :)
Katie Kookaburra will do! That’s got me thinking how to finish it :)
You're right on sweetheart ! 😁
Sell the carbon one and upgrade to Ultegra or Dura ace.
Get a heavier bike. You work harder up those hills, making a fitter cyclist. That’s something you can’t buy!
Peter Gahan. You know that's EXACTLY how Greg Lemond got discovered, a noob teen racing a 70's gaspipe 10 sp. (Murray or Huffy) against topnotch club racers on Italian Campy equipped superbikes. Lemond DROPPED them ON THE CLIMBS NO LESS on that TANK!!! They were in AWE, possibly even to the point of taking up a collection to buy him a REAL bike (so legend says). It's the ENGINE, NOT the Wallet!
Great video ..100% true ...
can they go on the trails ? x lol
But how do you live with the horrible vibration of the alloy bike (sarcasm)
i agree with you ,
Carbon is life literally we are a carbon based life form but it is superior to alloy in every possible way except for value, carbon is the future of everything not just bikes. This is a pretty bad video i feel what you are saying and it does make sens but dont talk shit about carbon.
Reggae Gandalf the future of high end bikes is graphene! The future of touring is alloy bikes. Won't change.
Katie Kookaburra Graphene is an allotrope of carbon so yeah and once carbon manufacturing geht's cheaper everything from DH bikes to touring bikes will be carbon because carbon is simply to good But i admit that current touring bikes are mostly alloy, i just bought an alloy touring bike lol but only because of a limited Budget tho
Reggae Gandalf But carbon and graphene are WAY too expensive at the min for a lot of people. Graphene is WAY stronger and lighter so will eventually be great for all bikes. But can't see it coming down in price in then next ten years or so. Such a cool material!
Katie Kookaburra perhaps,quite, but carbon 4 life
Pretty hair 😍
amour et compassion Aahhhh why thank you - the wonders of washing it haha :)
You're turning into durianrider you know...
This carbon bike stuff, then Chris Froom?
Not hating, just saying(Dr quote)...😉
Haha I just LOVE bikes!!!!!!
Do you also notice the hypocrisy when it comes to lighter bikes and fitness?
If you really want to be fit, ride a heavy bike. The easier you make riding the bike, the less effort you have to put in.
And people talking about grams saved on a frame or hubs, saddlepost etc. Really? Unless you are one of the 100 riders in Tour De France, you can loose those grams from your body and it doesn't cost a thing.
Weight weenie stuff seems to be for the lazy and too rich for their own sake people.
Touché.
Agree wit you. Ironically I am planning to buy a carbon bike that’s heavier and more expensive than the carbon bike I already ride. :))))
But it’s MTB/enduro, so weight is not the main factor but rather stiffness & stability.
Actually looking forward to riding a heavier bike for those fitness reasons you mentioned.
The easier that bike is to ride, the faster the bike rides, the greater your motivation to ride it, and, by inherence, the greater the likelihood of getting in shape.
Carbon must work, my friend is 22stone probably 24stone, he goes downhill really fast on his carbon bike so it must work.
@Advanced Driving hard to break a bike. Many people don’t have the cash for the latest and greatest. I have bought a really nice bike but also use a MTB with 40mm tyres for training as it’s so cheap to fix. Just bought a steel bombtrack beyond 1 too as it’s again low cost maintenance. It’s too good for a winter bike so May be my next adventure bike around europe on double track.
I think the main thing is ANY bike so long as maintenance keeps it in good repair will do just about anything. I don’t see very many perfect athletes so instead of titanium nuts and bolts lose a Kg of the gut.
Great advice, Katie. I am 69 years old and have been riding for 14 years now. I have been shopping for a new bike and found one that I liked for $800.00. It had most of the features I wanted. I would have bought it but it was sold out for a while. Well, I recently found a bike for half the price and it has ALL the features I want! It is 8 lbs heavier but hey, I ride for exercise and pleasure. I bought the less expensive bike! I can't brag about the brand name (snobs roll their eyes if I do) but I sure feel great riding it! BTW, I started wearing heavy boots when walking as a way to build up my leg muscles (they had weakened over the years) so riding a heavier aluminum bikes works for me. The price of the bike was not an issue: the features were most important. Keep on cycling!
Love this, got an alloy GT Series2 and I nearly bought a new bike. Instead I’ve spent a lot less upgrading the wheels, group set and giving it a full service putting new cables, cassette, headset bearings and fresh bar tape on it. And it’s like riding a new bike again for a fraction of the cost 👍👍
Bike you got is the best option always. I did my hubs on a MTB it’s like a new bike. However N+1 is always the bike option too.
I ride a steel most of the time it's an old mid 90s frame with Ultegra which I put on it with a carbon seatpost and light weight components and it is fun😊
My bike is always getting dirty. I would be terrified of rust so steel just isn’t for me unless I start doing long long rides on sunny days. You should see the way cars rust where I live. All the road salt in winter is horrible.
my 60cm Cannodale CAAD 10 aluminum, weights 3 pounds less than my Carbon 58cm race bike. and the CAAD 10 is super stiff!! its all mental. well said! great video!!
#CARBDOPING had my caad10 for 5 years now and I love it to pieces, prefer it over the caad12
High Carb Rider that's awesome!! Such a great bike!!
Can't beat Giant you Cannonfale snobs y'all just as bad as the Surly crowd ☺️
Oi PR, shut it
Giant is amazing! i love my TCR Advanced SX!! Best bike ive owned!
Let's stop being victims here and stop blaming the marketing machine. We only have ourselves to blame for wanting the latest and greatest, for being weight-weenies, and wanting to keep up with the Jones's. We want the lightest wheels, the lightest frame, latest technology in hopes that it will help us beat our last KOM by seconds. It took you over 3 yrs to lose 45 lbs from your body but you paid buttloads of money for a carbon bike to lose 2 lbs off a bike instantly. We all obsess over what the winner of TDF is running and we all run to the stores to buy it. If we stop our own nonsense then the bike and bike parts marketers will not put several versions of the same product out each year.
I am not telling anyone to not spend money on bikes. That is just blasphemy. Heck, I have a few different bikes, different wheelsets, etc. Just enjoy cycling for what it is and don't overcomplicate it.
Another fab video! Your older vids pop up on my feed so i will watch them too! 🤣 you look fab then but more fabber now 🥰🥰
Good point! I wouldn't call it a scam, though, but rather peer (& marketing) pressure. A scam is the scammer's fault, submitting to peer pressure is really your fault.
Want to add.. get so e really noce chinese carbon wheelS and you’ll never want a carbon bike.
Weird this come up as you exactly explained what I’m going through right now. Had road bike 2 years, keep seeing carbon bikes and really want one. BUT keep seeing videos like this. I’ve had to buy new wheels that made a massive improvement but now I’m at the cross roads of upgrading my tiagra group set or wait till next year and buy a carbon bike. With the wheels and if I upgrade my group set I’ll have put around £700 into a bike that cost £1k. It had been a reliable bike though and maybe should treat it
Interesting. I yesterday train with single.. heavy weight ordinary bike 1950's due to slippery icy roads, then I have swedish Crecent real competition machine I used at start of season, it is allow frame special tubes and light.... real competition machine 1986 model.
Also to work commuting after winter I have my first real bike 1976 steel 14kg weight which i got in 15 years old. It is gd condition for commuting with special touring tyres!
Then when here in Finland is finally sommer I take my Olmo Dynamic plus semi carbon and finally my Italian competition machine with Campagnola parts. The wheels are more important than frame. You can ride very fast with Al frame in case wheel set is right. you stated for long distance Al is best.. maybe. But I think it is OK with carbon also because my bike friends use carbon then they made This long touring 1200K from Paris to wine district...
I'd like to congratulate you on losing weight through cycling! You look amazing!! Now, as far as CF bikes go, I couldn't agree with you more!! I am 57, almost 58, and back in my teen years, CF wasn't even around. I rode Schwinn aluminum road bikes until my early twenties. From 1981-1992, I didn't ride a bike at all, as I was in the U.S. Army, and never had time to pedal, plus I was always in the field doing maneuvers and conducting covert exercises on my tank. In 1993, when I became medically disabled to stay in the Army, I bought a Schwinn Varsity and used it for transportation to get to and from work from the military housing area where I lived in Germany until I was actually discharged. After we got back to the USA, I sold the bike, and didn't ride again until I got inspired in 2004. So, when I went to the local bike shops, I was amazed to see how just how expensive bikes had gotten. That's when CF bikes were first pointed out to me by the LBS owners, and they raved at how much better they are than aluminum bikes. So, I fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and plunged down $1800 for a Giant TCR Advanced with Ultegra groupset. I rode that bike for a few years, and got hooked on cycling. I was led to believe that CF was the best thing invented for cyclists. I decided to sell the TCR, and then bought a Bianchi Infinito with Ultegra, being led to believe that the Bianchi CF bike was bulletproof and had a lifetime warranty on the frame. Wrong!! Within less than a year, and less than 2K, the rear seatstay cracked. I took the bike back to the LBS, who stripped it clean, sent the frame to Bianchi in California, who inspected the bike. They blamed the crack on me and said I ran over a stick or something that got caught in my wheel, and hit and cracked the frame. I told them, I didn't, but they would not warranty the bike. They told me I could pay $550 to get the frame fixed, or pay $600 for a replacement frame, which I did. I got both frames back, and had the new frame rebuilt with the components that came off the cracked frame, and I sold it. I also sold the cracked frame on ebay for $600.
You'd think that would be the end of the story. Right? No. I took up the LBS owner's offer to buy any bike I wanted for wholesale price. He felt sorry for for what I went through with Bianchi. So, I bought a Giant Defy Advanced 0 with SRAM FORCE groupset. He had to order it from Giant, and the same day it came in...the bike was recalled for defective forks cracking on riders and getting injured. A month later, the fork came in, and I took delivery. As I was riding, I noticed a craclking sound, and I returned it to the LBS. They tried to diagnose the problem, and they even rode it to confirm the noise. After several weeks of being baffled, Giant recalled the bike for a faulty seat post. At that point, I was done with CF frames. After the seatpost was replaced, I sold it on ebay and decided to buy a Lynsky R255 titanium framed bike with full Ultegra. I hated SRAM with a passion!!
So, I kept the Lynksey until April, 2015, when I began to have major medical problems. I sold it too. From 2015, until May, 2017, I underwent a series of seven surgeries, from feet, to nose, to having a Nissen Fundoplication for serious acid reflux, to having ACDF (Anterior Cervical Fusion Discectomy) to fuse L3 and L4 in my cervical spine on 22 May 17. On 14 Jun 17, I was given clearance to pedal again, but not on a road bike. So, I decided to shop for a hybrid, and bought a Specialized Crossroads Sport Hybrid Bike. Yes, it weighs more than a road bike, and is aluminum, but I've put just over 400 miles on it since I bought it on 5 July. For the first several weeks after I was given clearance to pedal, I rode my wife's single speed beach cruiser.
Keep on riding Katie!! You look fantastic, and I bet you feel fantastic too!!
Agree completely! Although I love my carbon bike I kinda feel I could have better spent the money on components, the difference in the frames is so negligible! Would recommend any new cyclists just get an alloy frame!
YES!!! Components make ALL the difference. Alloy alloy alloy!!
I've actually ridden the CAAD 12 and it is a good bike. I guess it depends what type of riding you want to do. I bought a Specialised Roubaix as I thought I would be doing lots of adventurous cycling for long periods of time. Unfortunately with 2 young kids I've actually ended up doing lots of 2 hour rides, so in my case I bought a cobble bike when what I needed was a lightweight aero bike (Like a Specialised Tarmac). I literally spent £500 more than I needed to 😭. Wish I had known then what I know now about bikes, but hey we live an learn right.
I would suggest figuring out what kind of riding you want to do 90% of the time and buy something inline with that. I'm a fan of Specialized bikes and they have a model for pretty much everything, I just picked the wrong one! 😭 next time I will get the right one for sure!
Good video,
But forget carbon, if you want lighter and stiffer and stronger than Aluminium get Titanium. Ride quality is better than anything.
If you need a touring bike get steel or Titanium, unfortunately Aluminium fatigues over time so is only good for about 5 years if you are going to use it every day and for touring.
Other than that I would prefer to spend my money on a good Titanium or steel frame than the group set, I can always get that later.
Capitalism. I’ve just bought a second hand shitty Ribble Pro Carbon Evo for £480 with Tiagra from my local bike shop to zwift with. I ride enduro in the real world and have an alloy frame, I was given the option of having carbon frame for the same price and I simply said nah I’m alright thanks, I’d rather dent a frame and ride it for the next ten years than crack a carbon frame and bin it.
Mis conception on carbon bikes, it's a personal choice, and remember there are cheaply made carbon bikes which give a bad rap for quality made carbon fiber bikes... if you really look into how the expensive ones are made, with cross fibering, and graphene, and resins they use to put together an expensive or shall we say the real carbon bikes you will see a world of difference from cheaply ones, even though some big brands are made in Taiwan...you know that the Chinese will make blanks, and when they sell, they ask you which stickers/brands would you like on your purchase! So in the end you get what you pay for...still if you love riding, and do a lot of it, get what you like, what you can afford, and take care of it even if it's made from bamboo. I have had many but nothing compares to a quality carbon ride... So I guess I too have been scammed, but loving every minute on it lol , by the way, you look healthy and beautiful in this video, if you don't mind me saying so.
Couldn’t agree more Katie. I’ve just sold my BMC carbon 105 bike and bought a second hand Cannondale CaadX 105 for half the price and have upgraded the FSA chainset to an Ultegra one for £55 (mates rates 😉) as well as a bigger 11/34 105 cassette to replace the 11/28 one. I’ve currently got 28mm Conti 4 seasons on for summer road and commuting but switch over to the 35mm cx tyres for off road fun/winter and touring. So much more durable, comfortable and FUN!
You bought a carbon bike and it was heavier???? I see this so often, carbon wheels and carbon frames are not always lighter. Light bikes and light wheels do make a difference when climbing. Therefore when buying, find out what the weight is, carbon is not always lighter.
Great advice, I have a beginner carbon and an expensive high end carbon wilier, which is a really nice riding bike for 200kms rides, but my next bike will be an alloy. Trek emendation ALR or Giant Content with 105 or ultegra groupset.
The bike does not make you any faster. Weight loss and proper training will make you go faster !
Alloy???!! Steel 853 frame is better with quality hand built wheels with Ultegra or Chorus groupsets. Or if you want good disc hub wheels go Hope. I have a Surly Straggler with disc brake wheels and Rohloff hub and chew up wannabee club riders and MAMILs on carbon bikes. The ones I hate are cheats on e-bikes. So many MAMILS with carbon bikes have concealed motors in them. I have never been interested in getting a carbon bike. I have an older Trek Madone alloy road bike with Ultegra groupset which has and continues to serve me well, but I don't ride it much as I prefer riding my Surly with Rohloff hub which is very low maintenance and comfortable ride.
I have an ally bike (Ribble Audax) but with a mixture of kit from 105 brakes, Claris Shifters and Stronglight chainset which I built myself. The gearing was changing OK but not as smoothly as I would have liked. For just under £200 I have bought all Sora R3000 gearing, mainly as an experiment to see just how smooth I can get the changes. OK, by no means is it the top of the range cos it's ltd to 9 speed, but this is the beauty of what you were saying. You can play around and see what suits you.
So I was lucky enough to buy an alloy Fezzari bike from the local classifieds just before the pandemic hit, which has 105 group set already, my problem is that it’s only a medium frame and I’m 6’3 💪💪
Now I love the specs of the bike but want s a bigger frame to progress further in cycling, do you recommend just upgrading the frame size and transferring all my parts over to the bigger frame, or buying a new bike?
My Fezzari is probably 5 years old but I love it
Oh my god! I just realized that I have been scammed into buying over a dozen bikes, mostly steel and aluminium, but carbon too! Perhaps worst of all are the vintage Italian ones with all that glittery Campagnolo, if only I had been on my guard, I could be riding a Huffy Santa-Fe like a normal person. Oh well, live and learn.
Exactly!! 😂😂
@Stevie Blue and the frame was built out of the best water pipe money could buy.
Unless you're racing, why buy anything other than steel (preferably lugged) of classic geometry and, of course, Campagnolo? Seriously. Titanium, when well designed and fabricated can be exceptional, too.
Get rid of your pathetic rip off/made-in-China plastic (carbon) bikes (or aluminium) fitted with the inferior fishing tackle gruppo - Shi_mano. You also do not need all the silly gadgets that so many genuflect before. Just ride a steel bike and get real..............................
I limit carbon to only my fork. Currently I'm riding an aluminium bike with alu fork (Salsa Journeyman) and a steel bike with carbon fork (Salsa Fargo). Sadly the Journeyman's frame got cracked, so that one is getting replaced by a Vaya, also steel. But I really wonder, what would the advantages from Titanium be over Alu and Steel? Also,good point on changing groupsets, it's a difference beween night and day
Too many people are focused on carbon as that's what the pros use or they believe that is what you should aspire to and despite my advice they always buy carbon. Problem with cheap carbon frames they are often shit compared to high end ally frames made up of more resin than carbon so customers end up with a dead lifeless frame that underperform, are less versatile, durable and break on a crash. Don't get me wrong, a high end carbon bike and carbon wheels do ride and perform exceptionally well compared to a budget ally bike and wheels, they do put a smile on your face but the gains are marginal. I mean you don't buy a Ferrari as your daily run around so why would you buy a high end carbon race bike for doing audax's? Also you wouldn't buy an estate to take to a track day....Good advice
Great channel... don't know why I had not found this a while back. Re' alloy... I rode a GT road bike back in the early 2000s.. ridiculously harsh ride after riding 501. I did go the carbon route and it was a game changer then. However, modern Alloy frames are so much more compliant esp with a carbon fork. This year gonna look at alloy for a quicker bike than the carbon thing I currently ride with fat tubes... it's comfy and eats the road, but it's draggy over 20mph! Slightly heavier well spec'd alloy for reasonable money is the way to go.
Following that that line of reasoning a lightweight steel frame is even better. Less likely to fatigue crack and easily brazed anywhere in the world in case of emergency repairs. I only have one "luxury" carbon fibre bike for fair weather club rides, all my other bikes are steel. I still have (and ride) my Dad's 1936 racing bike which has a Reynolds 531 steel frame.
Bikes are like camera equipment. It's insane to keep up. I have a GT zr 3.0 with 105 groupset on it and I"m as happy as a clam. Don't need no carbon fibre (well, the fork is carbon fibre.) I just need to burn calories...
Although it's true that the engine is what counts, thee is nothing wrong with carbon bikes or expensive bikes. Granted, a carbon bike will not make you faster, but how many alloy bikes come equipped with di2? Not many. If you have the disposable income, then I see no problem with paying top dollar. Some people buy expensive golf clubs, I bought a carbon bike.
I test rode a new giant defy then spoke to durianrider and he said get a second hand rim break trek emonda alr.
1000000% better than the giant.
I save £3250.
So much b/s out there. Don’t believe any of it.
I can only watch Harley and you. Every one else is either brain washed of say what they are paid to say.
Keep it real Katie.
Love your videos 👍
Some people never ever realise/admit that bikes are very fashionable and sold like fashion to a persons ego. To make you feel better though, think about if you had to spend a $1000 on car maintenance or if you used $100 a week on fuel. Most people don't see that as a waste, they just think that these cost are completely normal. However, spend $200 on your bike and people think you completely nuts .... Bikes are a pretty cheap vice really, even if you do waste a few bucks it's fun and makes you healthy unlike say ... smoking.
You can get very good alloy bikes. I bought a Cannodale CAAD12 and equipped it with a full Duraace 9100 group set mid range 3T, Pro, and Cannondale equipment and daily ride wheels, for about 2600 USD. Can't hit that price point with name brand carbon frames.
The folks at Cannondale are geniuses with alloy, and their bikes have only continued to improve year after year. The CAAD 12 is an excellent example of a very impressive aluminum road bike. Well done.
Well said, I do believe that carbon bikes are more comfortable, but when it comes to overall weight, it's the components that make the difference. If my carbon bikes crack for whatever reason, I'm going to strip the bikes of its components and wheels, buy a good quality aluminum frame and put everything on the aluminum frame.
Got an alloy bike that I love and will probably ride until I drop dead (hopefully while riding - snarf!), it is brilliant. Also have a carbon bike that I only use for short rides and damn it's fast. Maybe it's just a mental thing but I always go faster on the carbon bike, it could just be not wanting to be shamed by riding slow on it.
I pay € 140 for a cheap mountain bike once each year and when it is worn out, I buy a new one and every year I have a brand new bike for cheap. 😁😁😁🙌🙌🌙🐒🐵
Understand what you are saying, but I can't see myself bikepacking any time soon. Love my carbon bike, and I've not had bike envy since I got it!
I don't think people really know what a carbon fiber frame is, it's just acrylic hold together by a burnt fiber with out oxygen, the truth is carbon fiber frame are the biggest scam in cycling history.
Carbon bikes are good for racers, but for ordinary cycle enthusiasts an aluminium or alloy bike are perfectly good. I have an aluminium and carbon bike and had always thought I was going to go all carbon, but that is because I got caught up in all the hype, which is driven by the cottage industry of cycling. Once you find the right bike for you, and have it set up just right for you, you don't need another bike unless you are going to change your riding style and environment. Only the very expensive high-end carbon functions optimally.
In complete agreement Katie, an 11 kg ally Genesis Cda10, power meter, pannier rack and panniers, 28mm tyres and Shimano mtb pedals. Ready for my bike packing/volunteering opportunities in India. Visa depending, going really soon. Like you, all my PRs done on this machine (minus panniers and rack). Just changed out the square taper crank for a hollowtech 2 so I could fit the power meter, 12-36 8speed custom assembled casette. Now got some miles on this setup and more than happy! 😀
Goodonya Katie, what you say makes a whole heap of sense, aluminium alloy frames are far less likely to get seriously damaged in a stack than a carbon frame that can have potentially dangerous damage which is not visible until something fails.
Stick to steel frame good wheels rim brakes and gear set, won’t damage and can carry almost anything on it. Weight is slightly high , so am I , rathe loose weight on myself. Enough said.
so true. I upgraded my groupset because I could get a cheaper frame and get a better overall bike.
Durianrider kicked ass on his $500 Reid bike - it’s not the bike - it’s the riders fitness - commercialisation makes people want to impress people - focus on yourself needs
I was looking at some new bikes and noticed that Carbon was not much more expensive than a good Aluminum bike. I think I’ll be getting the aluminum when the time comes.
It depends on where you bike. If you bike in the city for errands and shopping use a cheap steel frame . The theves won't bat an eye and steel cheap bike. Use your expensive bike to show off and feed yor ego .
Hi Katie I use to have a steal bike nice and light but I changed it for aluminium bike much better I would not get cabochon bike they not very strong the chine could go through the frame ❤
Just watched this video Katie....Noticed it was a few years ago...Does your view still stand or are you now full carbon??
I find my carbon bike more comfortable on longer rides but my speed has not improved thinking about upgrading my alloy to Ultegra from 10 speed 105 or just buying a Condor steel bike.
Mark Clements definitely buy a condor. I have owned a few now and they are the best out there.
Don't we all wanna look like pros? LOL
I think the ost important point made here is not simply to avoid buying carbon BUT to spend your money elsewhere and get a much more noticable improvement.
Your point regarding disk wheels is a good one also. Becayse its still new disk road equipment is going to be prohibitively expemsive and I would wait a couple years before going disk unless you live in a wet environment.
Wheels are often one of the best upgrades and saving a pound or 2 on wheels is far more obvious than a frame. Groupsets, especially the jump to 105 are great upgrades, above that you get tiny improvements for big money.
Tires are probably the best improvement per dollar.Never skimp on tires, buy the best.
Yeah exactly, can get so much better improvements on an alloy with group sets / wheels :)
More and more I've been reading from trusted bicycle pros that choosing a good and proper width rim and tires can make a significant ride quality difference, especially for those who complain about the harshness of an aluminum bike. The trend is to go for wider tires, and having wider width rims can result in your tire width to swell a bit, too. For example, I have 25mm tires on 24.5mm rims, which balloons the tire width out to 28mm, and makes for a more compliant, comfortable ride. Voila.
another thing people dont even speak about is replacing the bike due to damage so most dont ride there carbon bike like they ride a alloy some stop riding all together as the have reached the pinnacle by riding a carbon colnago
Katie there is so much hype surrounding cycling and especially carbon bikes, i own both alloy and carbon bikes and can honestly say i perfer alloy. Carbon bikes are like road disc brakes a sales gimmick for the masses. People see the pros on carbon and just have to own a carbon bike, when all they really need to do is upgrade the groupset and wheels etc and it transforms the bike. By the way enjoyed the vid👍
What you mean is that you made a poor choice, and you regret it. You didn't get scammed.
Awwww sorry you got scammed Kk. ..Who would do that to one so pure and sweet ...Fecker s. ....
You have the same avail advanced as me yeh? My bike weighs like 9kg which is heavy for a carbon bike. The thing is its a lower end carbon, so you're better off with the higher end alloy.
wow well said..... i have 1 more reason to go for an alloy thanks✊👍