Excellent video and also surprised at how close they were in the tests.. My 2015 R pops and bangs through the quiet little English villages much to the pleasure of fellow petrol heads and kids! They hear you coming from miles away and are not disappointed when they turn round and see such a beautiful piece of art. Many thanks again 👍
This is very interesting. I recently purchased a 2019 SVR and am loving it. The carbon fiber rear wing + titanium exhaust + 200 mph bragging rights were the reasons I only wanted the SVR trim. There is one thing I might want to add tho, in the rolling races, I don't think the SVR's VMAX mode was activated because the spoiler is active. In V-MAX, spoiler stays down and full power in unleashed (according to Jag). I wonder if this would mattered. V-MAX is the mode you need to activate to hit 200 mph
@@skrrtgarage3922 I’ve never found an R AWD coupe vs SVR coupe drag race video. I’ve found this race with the R as a convertible but that is not exactly apples to apples. Does an apples to apples R vs SVR drag race video exist?
Great videos, I picked up a 15 R dark sapphire blue black interior. I smile every time I hit the start button. Possible updates later, but just having fun right now. I’ve owned many cars, but this is the first one that I smile even when I’m paying for fuel. Keep the info coming...👍
@@tylermarshall7343 haven’t had any issues as far as reliability. Need to have the air conditioner recharged this spring, but that is everything.i still smile every time I grab the key fob and head to the garage
My 2018 R has most of the features in the 2017 SVR (including the carbon fiber interior, the CF hood vents/mirror cap/roof, and the illuminated door foot plate etc etc) except for the quilted seats. However, like I said before, the 2015R that I had was fun for the dramatic burnouts!
Rwd vs awd in rolling race the rwd will do definitely better even if it has 25 less hp .. but it also weights almost 80kg less and better drivetrain power loss
Just dicovered this channel and it's great. The video on 10 things you didn't know actually taught me something.And I've shared this channel with the guys on the UK Forums
Interesting results and a good follow-up on some reasoning as to "why". I wanted an SVR, but I only wanted RWD for autocross and track, so I got the British Design Edition instead (Fantastic looks and uniqueness, but RWD - 2017). After the warranty is out, I'll be tuning it just a bit to get that "extra" that everyone wants.
Good vid. Trying to get an F type R this summer but wasnt sure between the '15 or '16/17, after watching this the rwd '15 is a viable option. Thx for sharing.
You are right with your findings on the loss of power to the wheels on 4WD. This was confirmed to me a while ago by Jag Service manager. Makes you realise the 2WD is a lot better than the later model (non SVR) 4WD which only generates the same 550HP. Unless of course you drive in slippery conditions. Apparently if you run newer stickier tyres than the original P Zeros you can bring down the 0-60 times significantly on the 2WD also.
@@skrrtgarage3922 I agree, the I don't know if my pirelli's were old or something but they couldn't get any traction in 1st or 2nd gear... The pilot sport 4 S grabs solidly.
The ZF8 has as little as 2% loss in RWD config. The rear diff might add 5-7%. The 15% WAG is for a typical automatic over past decades. A RWD R has a higher power to weight ratio, even before any of that.
You are correct about the 1-2% in the ZF. That is an exceptionally efficient transmission being that it has a full locking converter that locks in all 8 gears. So no slip, it has very little loss. The differential is also correct at 7% loss, being the most loss component in the drivetrain. One thing you are overlooking is the accessories and friction losses that are not insignifigant. Hod Rod magazine did a dyno special about it online about how much accessories actually pull power from the engine. A simple engine fan dyno'd 6% loss on just the engine cooling fan, you have Supercharger loss, Alternator, A/C Compressor, Oil pump, 2 Direct Injection Fuel Pumps running off the Crank and the Cams, Water Pump, and then there are frictional losses in the pulleys, cams, timing belts and tensioners and rotating assembly, Tire losses in rolling resistance, and wheel bearing losses. People incorrectly assume that modern technology has eliminated the 20% drivetrain losses from modern powerplants as I see forums with people using 5-10% loss as a regular thing. I do not think this is the case for anyone but Porsche. For FR layout, we still have 20+% DL, except manufacturers can now make more power than advertised with ease. I heard Jaguar had this engine at 650-700HP on their dyno's on development cycles. This would make sense because that is realistically what the engine would have to make to have 550HP {LEFT OVER} after total DL sapped the motor of power. We haven't even gone into heat soak and heat losses that modern Jags are known for. With more and more accessories being put in cars, I believe the DL is over 20% not under. AWD makes it even worse.
@@skrrtgarage3922 Yes. The lighted door sills are an option. If you don't have it, you'll have the embossed aluminum trim that coincides with your model. The lighted door sill option is the script "Jaguar." I'm not sure if it's an available option on all trim levels but it's definitely an option for both the R and the SVR (the only two trim levels I looked at when shopping for mine.
Make sure to change that front coolant flag pipe, the waterpump and the rear heater manifold pipe, with hose and return line..These fail so much that its ridiculous. The coupler for the tvr blower need upgrading too..they will rattle and clunk after 30k miles...
Great video and a good comparison, thanks for the facts too. Can you slide a 2017 F type R into the comparison at some point pls ? I drove a few different years of F type and found the 2017 was just tighter and shifted quicker. Keep up the great work
Great stuff yet again Conner... What sort of speed are you getting to in the clips mate, looking at your spoiler that pops up around at 65mph, you are exceeding that by a fair bit.
What model year was the SVR? After 2018 a PPF filter was added to all cars and it makes them a little bit quieter. Also loved the vid bro. About to purchase an R AWD myself so your vids have helped a bunch.
I have an R all wheel drive. My one is pretty specced out similar to an svr. Deeper side skirts, double bubble hood/bonnet with carbon mirrors and vents. Alcantara roof lining with extended red interior.
Weight is always the enemy of cars. Drive train losses are real but it’s the extra weight of the AWD system that makes the biggest difference. Normally the front wheels are only getting 10% of the power so drive train losses are actually not that high. You can see this in the identical highway fuel economy between 2015 RWD and 2016+ AWD versions. That said, the AWD is worth the weight. Not only does it help standing starts but throw in some curves and the AWD cars have an advantage. And heaven help you if you get caught in bad weather or on a low traction surface without the AWD. Thank you for posting this video, very entertaining.
Thanks for the comment! Yea power/weight matters a lot on the highway. I’ve autocrossed my f-type a few time and the numbers it puts down are shockingly good, I wonder how the AWD system would be out there. 100% agree about weather/rain.. I have to BABY my car lol
Skrrt Garage no because I had the tune for 2 years now. There’s plenty of before data online! Didn’t bother as I bought the car new. Car did quarter mile 11.52 at 121.5 mph stock so I knew it made every bit of its advertised power
Dang I didn’t realize how long it’s been tuned for lol. I had my first mechanical issue with my car this last week(video about that soon) so I’m fixing that this week and will get tune on shortly after.
Would love to see you both at a track as opposed to a built-up area. However, that said, owning a 2014 f type r rwd. I'm really intrigued with the differences visually over the newer model and svr version. I bought the rwd over the awd purely because of the feeling of rwd, so it's great to have those extra facts and be proved right in my ideas and opinions after all 😂 The rwd just makes you feel alive. 😉 great video and nice motor 😉
I have, the electric steering in the 2016+ is honestly still great. If that’s the only thing holding you back from a 2016+ then I wouldn’t worry about it.
The SVR rear diffuser, is that centre added piece added on/bolt on? Or is it all one piece. That door sill is a add on from Jaguar, I have it on my 2015 V8S.
2 great cars! That's a very high spec SVR, essentially all the exterior carbon that you could option (lovely colour, Ultra Blue Metallic). My 2018 F-Type SVR is almost identical apart from blue stitching to the quilted parts of the seats & door cards. That isn't suede, by the way, it's alcantara. (your carbon bladed wheels look better👍)
@@skrrtgarage3922 An update for you, sold my SVR coupe. But don't worry, replaced it with a brand new SVR coupe (in Velocity Blue Premium) that had been sitting at the Jaguar dealer since March. (most car dealers were closed for several months due to COVID-19) Apparently it's the last 'old shaped' SVR coupe in the UK. ( AND I saved almost £40k on the list price - dealers are struggling to get rid of stock so there are a lot of 'bargains to be had👍)
few theories on why the svr is slower, one might be because of that wing creating more downforce that the standard "r" wing, and also the awd system adding more weight and increasing drivetrain loss.
I have a 2018 F-Type R. I do like the spoiler of the SVR but is it worth the money? I was surprised that it kind of fell flat on the road compared to the R. My R does have the blue lighted entry panels. I am not a fan of the "quilted" look. Just looks too Adam's family.
Got my pulley and tune on my 15. Let me know if you have any questions. I called this a win for you from a roll before I even watched it. These are monsters from a roll
My next car was gonna be a 2017 svr in firesand orange and go for a pulley and tune but after seeing that roll race im almost thinking if a 15 with a pulley and tune would be better? Speaking from a performance aspect
I think you killed it on the racing. The SVR has some tight cosmetics. Air vents, brake calipers and spoiler are nice. Your interior is nicer. The two tone cream and grey/black is killing it. I think your exhaust sounds a little better personally
Thanks dude, great comparison between the two models, I'm a 2wd fan all the way! I live in South Africa, recently bought a V8s and looking forward to getting the VAP tune and pulley, very interested to hear your opinion on that once you've installed it.
Bro, the SVR can have all of the carbon fiber bits but I still believe your R looks more sleek. I'm not a fan of the SVR's wing. I like those clean lines of the R with the active wing. Those door sills were nice tho. Spring for some of those sills and the 305's for the back tires.....the titanium exhaust and carbon breaks just don't seem like enough bang for your buck.
Sad thing is the R just isn't sleeker. The drag Cd of the R is .37 and the drag Cd of the SVR is .34. That is a really big difference not to mention there is no lift on the SVR at 200mph terminal velocity that it can achieve. There is lift on the R and it can only go 186mph, probably showing the difference in Cd with similiar power. At high speeds above 150mph, the SVR is worth it. Below 150 it cannot beat the efficiency of RWD. All race cars are RWD for a reason. I was looking at the specs of a 20' SVR and it is signifigantly faster than the 17' SVR. Like .8 seconds in the quarter mile. Wonder what they did to it. I am sure it is programming and not hardware, and I wonder if you can remap the old SVR to the 20's programming.
I wonder if its not because of the drivetrain loss increase by going AWD, the launch kills it but when all the power is hitting the rear wheels its probably really even when it hooks up
I have them set in “wide” view.. the standard view cut the cars off. One day if UA-cam ever pays mE anything I’ll be able to afford a few more cameras to get better angles hah
I posted a video of it at the track yesterday on ftype owners club. The bright green one. It will not hook at all. Need a drag radial or something at this point
I always said that there is no reason to pay 25k more for 25 extra horses. This is 1k/horse! :) that was the reason I bought the ‘17 R instead of the SVR. But to be honest, I was not expecting that kind of performance from the ‘15 model!! WOW! An interesting race will be the ‘17 R vs ‘17 SVR, or you may think putting some convertible R’s in a race with the coupe!
Skrrt Garage very curious!! I wish I could bring mine for some races, just to have fun and put smile in our face as this car always does when you drive it! :)
@Skrrt Garage/Conner, Dude can you please ask your buddy with the SVR if he had his car in V-MAX Mode when he lost to you? I would love to know if this V-Max mode actually makes a difference in the comparison and also find out from someone in Germany if this mode is only for trying to maximize top speed. Thanks Tim The Jaguar Owners Manual says this: STORED SPOILER For maximum top speed (V-Max), the spoiler is stored to reduce drag. It works in conjunction with the front spoiler and other aerodynamic enhancements to bring a drag coefficient improvement of 7.5 percent and lift coefficient reduction of 45 percent. V-MAX In order to achieve 200 mph* you must consciously prepare your F-TYPE SVR Coupe. Select 'Dynamic Mode' and press the deployable aerodynamic spoiler switch for three seconds to enable V-Max Mode. While active, a permanent symbol appears on the instrument cluster. In this mode the spoiler remains stored at all speeds, keeping drag to a minimum. REAR UNDERFLOOR AND DIFFUSER The smooth rear underfloor reduces drag, while the rear diffuser works with the rear underfloor to manage airflow, adding to the stability of the F-TYPE SVR. *Always
I don’t believe the owner had it in vmax mode. We only got up to 135 so I don’t believe the drag would have been enough quite yet. I would like to know though, maybe we can get another drag race going
@@skrrtgarage3922 Yes, that would be Awesome if you can do another one with him being in V-Max Mode. From what I heard, (can not find anything concrete though) V-Max is not only for drag, but it's suppose to unleash it's full power. Can not see what full power would/could be. It's rated at 575HP, maybe the mapping changes?
Do you know how the power is distributed in normal vs dynamic mode in an AWD R model? What % goes to the front vs. rear? I have a 2016 R and would love to know. :)
I’ve seen varied answers to that question. Usually 63% rear and 37% front. But I’ve also seen people says it’s 100% rear until it needs traction up front... so I’m not sure, I would guess 63/37
That monica got a chuckle out of me. Have a like for that. I've been driving a V8s F-type since 2015 and I am going back and forth on considering if I should get an SVR. The new model is ugly and the new gas filter killed the sound
Thanks the for like and comment! I agree on the sound, it’s definitely muted. Although the new design is growing on me, I agree the headlights were a bit of mess up
Love your vids on the F type. Don’t like the fixed spoiler though. The rear and side profile on the f type is so beautiful, whenever I see one with a fixed spoiler on it, it just ruins it ( in my opinion).
Skrrt Garage. Agreed, definitely looks more beefed up, but yours just looks awesome without trying too hard! Definitely would chose yours everyday. Keep up the good work, looking to get my hands on an F type later this year, been looking at them for ages!!!!
Sami Pitts. Yeah noticed that on the video, looks pretty good in operation, I just meant it’s constantly there and I prefer the lines of the car without it.
I think the R models are faster than the SVR models.I think if you only good at shifting gears yourself,that's the only true way to bring out the SVR power.If yall were both in Automatic and that SVR was getting beat like that...then idk lol i think the bad shifting made the SVR lose
It is probably worth noting that RWD R Coupe has a bit shorter gearing than the SVR, which adds it another advantage in acceleration except from lower weight and less drivetrain losses. We have the same situation - I own 2014 R Coupe and my friend has 2017 SVR. In rolling race, I win everytime... and same as on your film - it is not by just a hint. R Coupe is just faster when AWD and even SVR, when they lose their initial grip advantage. Also as written, RWD can give you more fun ;) If you want a really nasty exhaust, I once heard R Coupe with Capristo catback. You can scare people off the pavements with it ;)
Take a look at www.automobile-catalog.com and see differences on speeds in gears Early RWD (2013-2015) and later AWD (2016+) versions. Same is about the engine. BTW looking at some dyno results, as you have shown there is a question whether there is any real power difference between 550 and 575HP versions...
Great video and really appreciate the detailed explanations. Hope you can acquire more cars or have the opportunity to give this level of detail/knowledge on other makes/models.
My 2015R has all Back interior and Red stitching, I have the lit Jaguar door sills that you can change in the menu I believe, never messed with that option. seeing I have after market wheels I am also running same tire size up front and back as the SVR. Your vid is the 2nd one I have seen Type R RWD Vs Type R AWD and to be honest I am convinced at this point having a 2015 Type R.. that they are an under rated beast, Other vid showed RWD from a roll wins. Love the variety of your content Skrrt! Keep up the good enthusiast content bud.
This guy had me wanting one so much I flew to Oklahoma to get mine and drove it back to California. She everything i hope for power , beauty, speed.
Right on! Enjoy
Yes they are perfect 😁👌
Same most exciting exhaust I’ve ever owned
Excellent video and also surprised at how close they were in the tests.. My 2015 R pops and bangs through the quiet little English villages much to the pleasure of fellow petrol heads and kids! They hear you coming from miles away and are not disappointed when they turn round and see such a beautiful piece of art. Many thanks again 👍
Me too, it was a pretty awesome race. Enjoy your beast!
This is very interesting. I recently purchased a 2019 SVR and am loving it. The carbon fiber rear wing + titanium exhaust + 200 mph bragging rights were the reasons I only wanted the SVR trim. There is one thing I might want to add tho, in the rolling races, I don't think the SVR's VMAX mode was activated because the spoiler is active. In V-MAX, spoiler stays down and full power in unleashed (according to Jag). I wonder if this would mattered. V-MAX is the mode you need to activate to hit 200 mph
+1, the V-MAX mode, per the manual ~ engine, aerodynamics and suspension - is set to its maximum performance setting.
Another interesting comparison might be an SVR vs same model year of an R (both AWD). That would be better proof of “value”.
For sure, would be cool to see if we could get that going
@@skrrtgarage3922 I’ve never found an R AWD coupe vs SVR coupe drag race video. I’ve found this race with the R as a convertible but that is not exactly apples to apples. Does an apples to apples R vs SVR drag race video exist?
The F-Type SVR is my absolute dream car, everything about that car is a work of art 😍
It’s an amazing machine!
The sound of those V8s is perfect 🔥
100%!
That's what made me buy mine...that sound is super sexy
Great videos, I picked up a 15 R dark sapphire blue black interior. I smile every time I hit the start button. Possible updates later, but just having fun right now. I’ve owned many cars, but this is the first one that I smile even when I’m paying for fuel. Keep the info coming...👍
So true! Thanks for the comment 🔥
Update us. Good reliability? Any problems?
@@tylermarshall7343 haven’t had any issues as far as reliability. Need to have the air conditioner recharged this spring, but that is everything.i still smile every time I grab the key fob and head to the garage
My 2018 R has most of the features in the 2017 SVR (including the carbon fiber interior, the CF hood vents/mirror cap/roof, and the illuminated door foot plate etc etc) except for the quilted seats. However, like I said before, the 2015R that I had was fun for the dramatic burnouts!
For sure, I’m jealous of the carbon pieces
All the pretty bits,but not the important bits! I would get a SVR.
Not gonna lie, I definitely thought that SVR was gonna smoke you. I am pretty surprised
Me too! It was wild
Rwd vs awd in rolling race the rwd will do definitely better even if it has 25 less hp .. but it also weights almost 80kg less and better drivetrain power loss
@@alialkaabi197 someone watched the end of the video 😂
@@smithers4420 hahah exactly what I was thinking
the r is tuned
Just dicovered this channel and it's great. The video on 10 things you didn't know actually taught me something.And I've shared this channel with the guys on the UK Forums
I appreciate that! Thank you!
Interesting results and a good follow-up on some reasoning as to "why". I wanted an SVR, but I only wanted RWD for autocross and track, so I got the British Design Edition instead (Fantastic looks and uniqueness, but RWD - 2017). After the warranty is out, I'll be tuning it just a bit to get that "extra" that everyone wants.
That’s awesome man! RWD is definitely where it’s at.
i have the F type R 2017 and im not sure if the difference is big enough for me to justify another 25K.
Yea, on the used market it’s a little closer.. but I still agree!
That is 1k/horse mate! :) :)
Good vid. Trying to get an F type R this summer but wasnt sure between the '15 or '16/17, after watching this the rwd '15 is a viable option. Thx for sharing.
SVR spoiler engaging at 13:50 is cool
I agree, looks killer
I like the older style better like yours. Really love the generation before yours.
You are right with your findings on the loss of power to the wheels on 4WD. This was confirmed to me a while ago by Jag Service manager. Makes you realise the 2WD is a lot better than the later model (non SVR) 4WD which only generates the same 550HP. Unless of course you drive in slippery conditions. Apparently if you run newer stickier tyres than the original P Zeros you can bring down the 0-60 times significantly on the 2WD also.
It really is interesting, I put Michelin’s on my car and the 0-60 dropped by a half second! It was wild
I can attest to that also, I put the Michelin's on my 2014 V8 S and the 0 - 60 dropped significantly also. Well below factory findings.
Mine has Pirelli P Zero tires but I heard Michelin's were far better. Might have to try them next.
Michelin pilot 4 s tires for the win! Probably the only reason I kinda kept up on the standing starts
@@skrrtgarage3922 I agree, the I don't know if my pirelli's were old or something but they couldn't get any traction in 1st or 2nd gear... The pilot sport 4 S grabs solidly.
Is that a sunroof on the SVR? Wow - I had never seen a sunroof on a F-Type. I thought they only do the full fixed panoramic roofs...
Mine also came with the door sill logo that lights up in blue
For allll the extra money I’m not sure if the SVR is really worth it, I do like the titanium exhaust a bit more though.
The exhaust does sound amazing
Maybe if you need it on track.
To me the R sounds better than the SVR. The R has a deeper sound.
Wow the weight of the awd system of the SV-R really makes a big difference from a roll, even though it has a hp advantage and lighter exhaust!
I know man! It’s wild!
Thanks for the great videos on the F-Type, keep posting more. The SVR it's my dream car for sure. Cheers from the Alps in Switzerland.
I appreciate that, thank you!
The ZF8 has as little as 2% loss in RWD config. The rear diff might add 5-7%. The 15% WAG is for a typical automatic over past decades. A RWD R has a higher power to weight ratio, even before any of that.
You are correct about the 1-2% in the ZF. That is an exceptionally efficient transmission being that it has a full locking converter that locks in all 8 gears. So no slip, it has very little loss. The differential is also correct at 7% loss, being the most loss component in the drivetrain. One thing you are overlooking is the accessories and friction losses that are not insignifigant. Hod Rod magazine did a dyno special about it online about how much accessories actually pull power from the engine. A simple engine fan dyno'd 6% loss on just the engine cooling fan, you have Supercharger loss, Alternator, A/C Compressor, Oil pump, 2 Direct Injection Fuel Pumps running off the Crank and the Cams, Water Pump, and then there are frictional losses in the pulleys, cams, timing belts and tensioners and rotating assembly, Tire losses in rolling resistance, and wheel bearing losses. People incorrectly assume that modern technology has eliminated the 20% drivetrain losses from modern powerplants as I see forums with people using 5-10% loss as a regular thing. I do not think this is the case for anyone but Porsche. For FR layout, we still have 20+% DL, except manufacturers can now make more power than advertised with ease. I heard Jaguar had this engine at 650-700HP on their dyno's on development cycles. This would make sense because that is realistically what the engine would have to make to have 550HP {LEFT OVER} after total DL sapped the motor of power. We haven't even gone into heat soak and heat losses that modern Jags are known for. With more and more accessories being put in cars, I believe the DL is over 20% not under. AWD makes it even worse.
I have a 2016 R and I have the Blue Jaguar logo under my doors as well.
Is it an option?
@@skrrtgarage3922 Yes. The lighted door sills are an option. If you don't have it, you'll have the embossed aluminum trim that coincides with your model. The lighted door sill option is the script "Jaguar." I'm not sure if it's an available option on all trim levels but it's definitely an option for both the R and the SVR (the only two trim levels I looked at when shopping for mine.
That’s good to know, thanks!
I have them too in my 2016 R
The phone mic cant read high enough.
I've got a 2017 F-type R convertible and it has the same blue lighted Jaguar door plates.
Hey guys! Awesome video! Quick question, in terms of exhaust, which one was LOUDER? And in terms of crackles, which one had BETTER/ LOUDER crackles?
Make sure to change that front coolant flag pipe, the waterpump and the rear heater manifold pipe, with hose and return line..These fail so much that its ridiculous. The coupler for the tvr blower need upgrading too..they will rattle and clunk after 30k miles...
Yes! Super important
Nice presentation with appreciably little unnecessary slack and typical youtuber mannerisms. Thanks
I appreciate that!
Great video. If the SVR had the same upgrade modifications- intake and Velocity AP- I wonder if it would change the results?
You have to turn the bluetooth volume all the way down, the double horns throw everything off.
Yes, the double horns threw me off too. Part of the reason I kept jumping the gun.
It really does lol, we need walkie-talkies hah
Great video and a good comparison, thanks for the facts too. Can you slide a 2017 F type R into the comparison at some point pls ? I drove a few different years of F type and found the 2017 was just tighter and shifted quicker. Keep up the great work
For sure, I just have the find people locally who are willing to do these comparisons! Thanks for the support
That blue Jaguar light you see on the door sill is an option you could’ve gotten back then. I even had it on my 2014 Jaguar F-Type V8S Convertible
Great stuff yet again Conner... What sort of speed are you getting to in the clips mate, looking at your spoiler that pops up around at 65mph, you are exceeding that by a fair bit.
A couple of the races went to about 120-130
What model year was the SVR? After 2018 a PPF filter was added to all cars and it makes them a little bit quieter. Also loved the vid bro. About to purchase an R AWD myself so your vids have helped a bunch.
I believe it was a 2017, so it should be the louder version. Thanks!
Skrrt Garage also one more thing bro. How is it over speed bumps? Need to go over them to get out my street
I have an R all wheel drive. My one is pretty specced out similar to an svr. Deeper side skirts, double bubble hood/bonnet with carbon mirrors and vents. Alcantara roof lining with extended red interior.
That’s awesome, I’m jealous of that Alcántara
I like how the spoiler on the svr slides up
Me too, it’s not as noticeable as the R but it’s a cooler for sure
Weight is always the enemy of cars. Drive train losses are real but it’s the extra weight of the AWD system that makes the biggest difference. Normally the front wheels are only getting 10% of the power so drive train losses are actually not that high. You can see this in the identical highway fuel economy between 2015 RWD and 2016+ AWD versions. That said, the AWD is worth the weight. Not only does it help standing starts but throw in some curves and the AWD cars have an advantage. And heaven help you if you get caught in bad weather or on a low traction surface without the AWD. Thank you for posting this video, very entertaining.
Thanks for the comment! Yea power/weight matters a lot on the highway. I’ve autocrossed my f-type a few time and the numbers it puts down are shockingly good, I wonder how the AWD system would be out there. 100% agree about weather/rain.. I have to BABY my car lol
rev it right after a cold start, probably in between 3-6 minutes running. It is not good for the car, but I think it might be louder.
The wing downforce makes the svr slower at higher speeds its for track not drag.
Which ones sounds better bcz I want to but he one that sounds better
They both sound really really good, I didn’t think one sounded better than the other honestly
Nice! Finally a good comparison ! Is that SVR healthy? Full compression on that motor? Bad fuel? The SVR is lighter and +25 hp ???
Dude I know! I’m so excited to install it! The amg gt63 owner still thinks he will win.. so I’m pumped to race him
Edited first post lol rematch GT63 with stage 2 F type ! He’ll lose! I’ll be posting Dragy times this week!
Nice! Did you do a before dyno? I’m kinda tempted to do a before dyno and an after one
Skrrt Garage no because I had the tune for 2 years now. There’s plenty of before data online! Didn’t bother as I bought the car new. Car did quarter mile 11.52 at 121.5 mph stock so I knew it made every bit of its advertised power
Dang I didn’t realize how long it’s been tuned for lol. I had my first mechanical issue with my car this last week(video about that soon) so I’m fixing that this week and will get tune on shortly after.
what's done to your jaguar? and is it RWD or AWD?
My f type is stock, only upgrade is an aftermarket intake. The white car is RWD.
Would love to see you both at a track as opposed to a built-up area. However, that said, owning a 2014 f type r rwd. I'm really intrigued with the differences visually over the newer model and svr version. I bought the rwd over the awd purely because of the feeling of rwd, so it's great to have those extra facts and be proved right in my ideas and opinions after all 😂 The rwd just makes you feel alive. 😉 great video and nice motor 😉
curious if you've driven a 16+ type R to see if there is a noticeable difference since they changed steering set-up 2016+
I have, the electric steering in the 2016+ is honestly still great. If that’s the only thing holding you back from a 2016+ then I wouldn’t worry about it.
The SVR rear diffuser, is that centre added piece added on/bolt on? Or is it all one piece. That door sill is a add on from Jaguar, I have it on my 2015 V8S.
I’m not sure, I haven’t worked on one 🤷
Which one is supposed to be more expensive.. a type r or svr?
The SVR is more expensive, the blue one.
2 great cars!
That's a very high spec SVR, essentially all the exterior carbon that you could option (lovely colour, Ultra Blue Metallic).
My 2018 F-Type SVR is almost identical apart from blue stitching to the quilted parts of the seats & door cards.
That isn't suede, by the way, it's alcantara.
(your carbon bladed wheels look better👍)
Thanks man! I do love the carbon blades, although now I kinda want yellow calipers 😅
@@skrrtgarage3922 An update for you, sold my SVR coupe.
But don't worry, replaced it with a brand new SVR coupe (in Velocity Blue Premium) that had been sitting at the Jaguar dealer since March. (most car dealers were closed for several months due to COVID-19)
Apparently it's the last 'old shaped' SVR coupe in the UK. ( AND I saved almost £40k on the list price - dealers are struggling to get rid of stock so there are a lot of 'bargains to be had👍)
few theories on why the svr is slower, one might be because of that wing creating more downforce that the standard "r" wing, and also the awd system adding more weight and increasing drivetrain loss.
Yea I talked about that at the end of the video
I have a 2018 F-Type R. I do like the spoiler of the SVR but is it worth the money? I was surprised that it kind of fell flat on the road compared to the R. My R does have the blue lighted entry panels. I am not a fan of the "quilted" look. Just looks too Adam's family.
Haha very true
My F -Type R V8 Is amazing I also have a XJ Re-Mapped to 350BHP and its insane its just a pity it doesn't have the soundtrack like my F-Type
Yea that’s true, I wish that f the v8 soundtrack was in all my cars haha
Got my pulley and tune on my 15. Let me know if you have any questions. I called this a win for you from a roll before I even watched it. These are monsters from a roll
Might take you up on that! it'll be installed this upcoming weekend hopefully.
Awesome.
My next car was gonna be a 2017 svr in firesand orange and go for a pulley and tune but after seeing that roll race im almost thinking if a 15 with a pulley and tune would be better? Speaking from a performance aspect
Both are awesome! You could always just tune the svr? I’m sure it would be fast enough lol
Pulley and a tune is up next for me. Round 2 and a win soon after! 😉🏁
I think you killed it on the racing. The SVR has some tight cosmetics. Air vents, brake calipers and spoiler are nice. Your interior is nicer. The two tone cream and grey/black is killing it. I think your exhaust sounds a little better personally
Thanks Steven!
@@skrrtgarage3922 You got it Brother Skrrt Skrrt💪
I would like to see race between f-type and M5/6.
Might have already setup 👀
Done it a couple of times in my 2017 R, it always wins,
Really good video - thoughtful commentary
I appreciate it homie, thank you. Ps did you catch the Jonny lieberman quote in there? Haha
Thanks dude, great comparison between the two models, I'm a 2wd fan all the way! I live in South Africa, recently bought a V8s and looking forward to getting the VAP tune and pulley, very interested to hear your opinion on that once you've installed it.
Right on, I should have it installed within the next few weeks!
Bro, the SVR can have all of the carbon fiber bits but I still believe your R looks more sleek. I'm not a fan of the SVR's wing. I like those clean lines of the R with the active wing. Those door sills were nice tho. Spring for some of those sills and the 305's for the back tires.....the titanium exhaust and carbon breaks just don't seem like enough bang for your buck.
Yea I can see that for sure!
Sad thing is the R just isn't sleeker. The drag Cd of the R is .37 and the drag Cd of the SVR is .34. That is a really big difference not to mention there is no lift on the SVR at 200mph terminal velocity that it can achieve. There is lift on the R and it can only go 186mph, probably showing the difference in Cd with similiar power. At high speeds above 150mph, the SVR is worth it. Below 150 it cannot beat the efficiency of RWD. All race cars are RWD for a reason. I was looking at the specs of a 20' SVR and it is signifigantly faster than the 17' SVR. Like .8 seconds in the quarter mile. Wonder what they did to it. I am sure it is programming and not hardware, and I wonder if you can remap the old SVR to the 20's programming.
I wonder if its not because of the drivetrain loss increase by going AWD, the launch kills it but when all the power is hitting the rear wheels its probably really even when it hooks up
Both cars are amazing, Works of Art.
They really are!
It looks like the awd in svr makes difference.
It really does!
Great review. Thank you!
Great stuff as usual
Thanks 🙏🏼
That was awesome!! Thank you!
Thanks for the comment 👍🏼
You need to adjust your cameras a little better when you race. Because we can't see how far someone is ahead by the angle you have
I have them set in “wide” view.. the standard view cut the cars off. One day if UA-cam ever pays mE anything I’ll be able to afford a few more cameras to get better angles hah
Which exhaust would you say sounds deeper?
I will absolutely go for the sound
100%
I posted a video of it at the track yesterday on ftype owners club. The bright green one. It will not hook at all. Need a drag radial or something at this point
No way? What tires are you running?
@@skrrtgarage3922 Michelin pilot super sports. They have more miles on them now so maybe that hurts since my stock run but doubt it will matter.
Yea especially with 650hp now!
Niiiice!! I can't wait to upgrade my XE!
Right on! Thanks for the comment
What's the 0-60 mph time and quarter mile? I'm considering a 2018 M4, 2018 rs7 and I been also looking at the SVR.
3.2-3.6 on the svr depending on tires. Quarter mile in the mid to high 11’s. All great cars 👍🏼
What was the decibel reading on the Ftype R? You couldn't see because of that glare
They both recorded around 120
I also have raced a SVR, in the situation most of us drive in every day .... it’s the one that gets the jump will usually win 😎
Right on!
I always said that there is no reason to pay 25k more for 25 extra horses. This is 1k/horse! :) that was the reason I bought the ‘17 R instead of the SVR. But to be honest, I was not expecting that kind of performance from the ‘15 model!! WOW!
An interesting race will be the ‘17 R vs ‘17 SVR, or you may think putting some convertible R’s in a race with the coupe!
Would be interesting! I’m trying to get a couple more races going here soon
Skrrt Garage very curious!! I wish I could bring mine for some races, just to have fun and put smile in our face as this car always does when you drive it! :)
Seriously! That would be fun
Great video !! Again !
Thanks!
@Skrrt Garage/Conner, Dude can you please ask your buddy with the SVR if he had his car in V-MAX Mode when he lost to you? I would love to know if this V-Max mode actually makes a difference in the comparison and also find out from someone in Germany if this mode is only for trying to maximize top speed. Thanks Tim
The Jaguar Owners Manual says this:
STORED SPOILER
For maximum top speed (V-Max), the spoiler is stored to reduce drag. It works in
conjunction with the front spoiler and other aerodynamic enhancements to bring
a drag coefficient improvement of 7.5 percent and lift coefficient reduction of
45 percent.
V-MAX
In order to achieve 200 mph* you must consciously prepare your F-TYPE SVR
Coupe. Select 'Dynamic Mode' and press the deployable aerodynamic spoiler
switch for three seconds to enable V-Max Mode. While active, a permanent symbol
appears on the instrument cluster. In this mode the spoiler remains stored at all
speeds, keeping drag to a minimum.
REAR UNDERFLOOR AND DIFFUSER
The smooth rear underfloor reduces drag, while the rear diffuser works with the
rear underfloor to manage airflow, adding to the stability of the F-TYPE SVR.
*Always
I don’t believe the owner had it in vmax mode.
We only got up to 135 so I don’t believe the drag would have been enough quite yet.
I would like to know though, maybe we can get another drag race going
@@skrrtgarage3922 Yes, that would be Awesome if you can do another one with him being in V-Max Mode. From what I heard, (can not find anything concrete though) V-Max is not only for drag, but it's suppose to unleash it's full power. Can not see what full power would/could be. It's rated at 575HP, maybe the mapping changes?
I thought the exhaust was a deeper sound on the R, where as the svr has a higher pitch..
Yea.. in person I felt like the crackles were higher pitch on the R. But who knows
*Yeah, More Powerful Cars Tend To Have A Higher Pitch*
That SVR is much faster, by all due respect I think the SVR needed a more experienced driver. I love both the cars and good video guys, stay safe.
The svr is for sure faster on a dig race. The rolls seems like a toss up but who knows, maybe the RWD FTR is a factory freak
How you make the supercharger wine?
Now we need ftype v8s (495hp) vs ftype r Both rear wheel drive to see the different
I like the sound of that!
Do you know how the power is distributed in normal vs dynamic mode in an AWD R model? What % goes to the front vs. rear? I have a 2016 R and would love to know. :)
I’ve seen varied answers to that question. Usually 63% rear and 37% front. But I’ve also seen people says it’s 100% rear until it needs traction up front... so I’m not sure, I would guess 63/37
Skrrt Garage oh ok - thanks a lot. I have an oil change with the dealer soon - i’ll try to get some info from there as well while i’m there.
Great video and very interesting results, would love to see an 2017 AWD type R vs yours and an SVR - cos I have one ;-) Keep up the great work
I agree! That would be awesome
I kinda prefer the R look over the SVR
I have the jaguar f type r 14 and I like the sound more on the R its deeper and not that high pitched than the SVR.
They both sound pretty amazing! Love that v8
You mean the V8s? The first R model year was 2015. They had the V8s in MY2014-2015.
It's all drivetrain loss in the awd. The two wheel drive puts more power to the ground plus weighs less
Yep! Said the same thing
You've not posted in a long time. Hope you're ok
That monica got a chuckle out of me. Have a like for that. I've been driving a V8s F-type since 2015 and I am going back and forth on considering if I should get an SVR. The new model is ugly and the new gas filter killed the sound
Thanks the for like and comment! I agree on the sound, it’s definitely muted. Although the new design is growing on me, I agree the headlights were a bit of mess up
Why the R supercharger was stronger than the SVR??
I have an aftermarket intake
What were the decibels i couldn't see it on your phone the sun was in the Way lol
I can’t remember, I think I said the number later in the video. Maybe 123?
I like the R better. 🤷♂️. Cleaner looking.. especially in white. Nice car
My F type R 15 has the door logo blue from factory
Good to know!
Love your vids on the F type. Don’t like the fixed spoiler though. The rear and side profile on the f type is so beautiful, whenever I see one with a fixed spoiler on it, it just ruins it ( in my opinion).
I appreciate it man! The SVR intakes and wing definitely make it looks more beefed up, whereas the standard f type is more traditional look
Skrrt Garage. Agreed, definitely looks more beefed up, but yours just looks awesome without trying too hard! Definitely would chose yours everyday. Keep up the good work, looking to get my hands on an F type later this year, been looking at them for ages!!!!
The wing on the SVR is not fixed, it's active aero.
That’s awesome man!
Sami Pitts. Yeah noticed that on the video, looks pretty good in operation, I just meant it’s constantly there and I prefer the lines of the car without it.
I think the R models are faster than the SVR models.I think if you only good at shifting gears yourself,that's the only true way to bring out the SVR power.If yall were both in Automatic and that SVR was getting beat like that...then idk lol i think the bad shifting made the SVR lose
Granny shifting, not double clutching like he should
Great video, well worth the wait. But we need to have a rematch of the standing and rolling races.
Agreed man!! It was a good time
It is probably worth noting that RWD R Coupe has a bit shorter gearing than the SVR, which adds it another advantage in acceleration except from lower weight and less drivetrain losses. We have the same situation - I own 2014 R Coupe and my friend has 2017 SVR. In rolling race, I win everytime... and same as on your film - it is not by just a hint. R Coupe is just faster when AWD and even SVR, when they lose their initial grip advantage. Also as written, RWD can give you more fun ;) If you want a really nasty exhaust, I once heard R Coupe with Capristo catback. You can scare people off the pavements with it ;)
Interesting, I didn’t know that! Where did you come across that? Sometime I want to get a new exhaust but it already SO loud lol
Take a look at www.automobile-catalog.com and see differences on speeds in gears Early RWD (2013-2015) and later AWD (2016+) versions. Same is about the engine. BTW looking at some dyno results, as you have shown there is a question whether there is any real power difference between 550 and 575HP versions...
Could you put 305's on the 15 r?
13:50 am I going crazy or did the svr spoiler move?
No your not svr also has an active wing but it’s definitely more discreet
Yeah its not just a fixed piece of plastic. If i recall correctly, it has a cleaning mode where you can roll it upwards too.
Great video, but for anyone who’s only here for the racing, it’s at 11:20
Great video and really appreciate the detailed explanations. Hope you can acquire more cars or have the opportunity to give this level of detail/knowledge on other makes/models.
I appreciate it Luke, thank you 🙏🏼
My 2015R has all Back interior and Red stitching, I have the lit Jaguar door sills that you can change in the menu I believe, never messed with that option. seeing I have after market wheels I am also running same tire size up front and back as the SVR. Your vid is the 2nd one I have seen Type R RWD Vs Type R AWD and to be honest I am convinced at this point having a 2015 Type R.. that they are an under rated beast, Other vid showed RWD from a roll wins. Love the variety of your content Skrrt! Keep up the good enthusiast content bud.
I appreciate it Pete! Thanks for the comment
You're referring to this video? The AWD is an SVR not the R.
Great video 👍🏽
The rolling races come down to the transmission most likely...