Of course man. At the end of the day that’s what makes the podcast great. We all have different opinions. I don’t think to be friends you all have to think alike.
@@FouadAbiad Those are the best friends. It's not shouting or anger, it's PASSION and RESPECT. The next day it's nearly all forgotten! If someone isn't my friend or I don't respect their opinion I don't argue, show passion I just go "Yeah sure, I can see your point of view" or some cliche brush off. I wouldn't even bother debating.
How is IAIN not the top guy for “Best Ambassador”?! He is legitimately the only top pro who consistently goes on podcasts/interviews no matter what and pours his soul out to fans and gives top notch analysis. I mean the guy gave a fan $50!! Iain is the best ambassador in my eyes and it’s not even close. He gives honest information, never bragged about coaching Chris, and is the most loyal, honest, hardworking guy out there. Fouad, please rethink this!!
How can nick be nominated as best ambassador, he doesn't go anywhere. He doesn't talk or engage much. He's rarely at events. He just wants to eat, sleep and train, staying in his house. absolutely nothing wrong with that in itself but Just cause he posts some vids of him working out doesn't mean he's being an ambassador for bodybuilding.
1. Love how Fouad always gives an outlet for the bros to have some guy time 2. Justin grew so much in his personality and physique 3. Paul is Paul we love you buddy 4. Proud of Guy for running a podcast and still make time for his friends on bro chat 5. Ian’s admirable in many ways but I respect how he stands on for opinion
Favorite part of the argument… Iain finishes his point* Justin: That’s a good argument, Fouad, you can agree w that, right? Fouad: What? Justin: You didn’t listen… Fouad: I’m deleting this whole f’n argument… Thanks for leaving it all in, Fouad! Entertaining AF!😂
Guy, Nick and Jose are more likeable and interesting on Bro Chat, than on their own podcasts. That's a credit to Fouad's ability to bring the best out of people in this format.
Ian got some real knowledge of how to not be satisfied with greatness. Fouod just because a guy is a monser doesn't mean he has no flaws with what works already. When Mj spoke at Kobe's funeral, he would say how Kobe would reach out and ask him a question about a post up move at 2am in the morning. Maybe Kobe just dropped 50 points and already had 3 championships. Ian definitely won the second half of this discussion. #ohhcanadaheyy?!?
Melissa’s laugh at Ian’s calves maxing out comment was hilarious!!! You guys should do more couples podcasts and their opinions no one has ever done that before and is amazing context
Please never cut out these hour long discussions. We all learn so much out of this! Thanks so much. Ps no one wins this argument because that’s body building, all about opinions and that’s why we all love it so much 🤟🏻
The argument is because form and style are getting mixed up lol there’s a proper form that’s general for Everyone but style and tempo are all relative.
There is an optimal "form"/technique to target a muscle or different regions/divisions (e.g. clavicular/sternal/costal pec or thoracic/lumbar/iliac lat), this is biomechanics. However, the style can individual in the sense that you might not be able to execute it biomechanically perfect due to e.g., mobility issues etc. Sensation can help to tweak a movement or a machine to target different areas (regional hypertrophy), but biomechanics (which inevitably is based on research) is universal for everyone and those rules cannot be changed (i.e., different sensation in different individuals doesn't change "biomechanical rules"). You can actually check the research on rest periods, which is basically more rest is needed for the nervous system to recover to enable maximal mechanical tension (i.e. the stimulus for hypertrophy). But doing more volume with shorter rest periods might compensate for that (e.g. Brad Schoenfelds studies with 1-2 minutes rest but 10-20 hard sets a week). If you rest more, you need fewer sets to reach the threshold of maximal stimulus/mechanical tension for hypertrophy. So in a sense, this might explain why a Jay/Fouad training style might yield similar/good results compared to Dorian/Iain/Justin
@@FouadAbiad it’s the same as is it a skill argument. Ronnie and Michael jordan say. Jordan can absolutely form squat just as good as Ronnie but Ronnie could never have the same skill to shoot a fade away jumper. Everyone is confusing the strength and sacrifice with the actual skill. Can jordan front squat 600lbs absolutely not but he’s also not eating 900 grams of carbs and on gear. Can he front squat with the same proper form as Ronnie absolutely that’s it that’s the skill is form not the weight that’s all relative. Does bodybuilding require way more mental toughness and sacrifices and what not absolutely but that’s not skill that’s person driven. Jordan can perform a perfect form deadlift but Ronnie would never be able to have the skill to shoot 90% from the free throw line that’s a way advanced skill.
Guys Ian is talking pure science. 2 identical twins down to the atom . Fed the same diet and and sleep only variable is training . 1 has to be superior even if it’s a small amount
I used Marek health recently for my blood work thank you for the recommendation Fouad! It was extremely helpful because I have struggled finding a doctor that would listen to me and really help me.
Respectfully, I’m with Iain and Justin on this one! Greg Pitt once said “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it? Well if it could be better, it’s as good as broken”
@@FouadAbiad It was hard to write it as if Greg was saying it haha but basically he was saying if something could be better then it’s as good as broken. I miss Greg Plitt!! Such a motivational speaker.
The argument is that even CBUM could improve which is why Hany tweaked things in his training and diet Because he was the best doesn’t mean he couldn’t be better
He didn’t win anything but I think Martin Fitzwater had a great season. A breakout if you will. I think he made great improvements to his physique last year and it showed in his placings. Still has a lil more growing to do but I think he’s going to be a force to be reckoned with soon. The guy has made me a believer.
Coming from someone who has been training off and on for 7 years total and rediscovered my love and desire for bodybuilding two years ago after some personal life issues. This podcast is one of the best ones. The substance of the debate along with analyzing each point instead of making one big general point really helps people to understand these concepts. Don’t cut stuff like this. People who are always looking to learn love these debates!!!
The leader sets the tone. You don't look to people who aren't at the top for advice. As humans we look to people with success and try to emulate their strategies. It happens daily in sports, business and everything else. Its how we learn and evolve and its what sets the standard. Success is definitely a measurement that needs to be used.
@@FouadAbiad the vast majority of coaches in every sport weren't top athletes in those sports including bodybuilding, why do athletes listen to these coaches if they've never been successful themselves, i don't necessarily disagree with your stance but i think arguments from authority are always bad
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I see so many people use science as unchangeable fact when we have many examples of things was considered facts and today we believe something completely different and that is why there is not optimal way to train and personal experience is a big factor in what is optimal for u and I think ppl should try many training styles and find out through their experience what is optimal
Fuad if you like Kevin Samuels content, I Highly recommend reading the book the way of the superior man by David Deida. Understanding intergender dynamics in todays world is a really big plus especially if your a young kid looking for some sort of purpose in this world. 💪
Great podcast! Glad you left it in. Those conversations are good to hear and informative. Also shows you guys are human, you know? Arguing, getting heated, talking through and resolve. Good shit fouad and company
So happy to see you guys today, love Justin and Iain and Guy. Guy I'm subscribed to the mutant and the mouth but I gotta catch up on episodes. Best of luck to everyone here. Fouad thanks as always for being awesome and making great content.
7 weeks out is enough time for Iain to do very well at the Arnold. The guy stays 6% body fat year round. He’s already got more than enough muscle. Small waist, boulder shoulders, exceptional conditioning. He should jump in
@@Brose_Canseco no iain can definitely walk on stage today. His approach is to be inside out peeled that was the bad thing he said it himself. They cut sodium and without sodium you can’t load you need water and minerals to load up your muscles with glycogen. Don’t go on that “nerve damage” train that trigily has everyone one. That guy sniff’s Samir old school ass and thinks he knows everything
@@92pittsburgsteelers of course. But the guys do a poor job of defining the parameters of their debates. What Justin and Iain are saying here is that by optimizing the control of your input allows them to accurately measure the output. So by standardizing -execution, tempo, rest periods, movement selection etc it can be directly measured into progress by weight on the bar and body weight accrument. And when you have that control a lack of progress is easier to analyze and diagnose. The missing context is that optimal training control (which can still be applied to high volume training) is only one variable in the overall goal of hypertrophy. Diet adherence, drugs, sleep quality, stress control and genetic component of each of those will end up having a way bigger impact on the outcome of a physique. But, like from Justin’s perspective, is that a good enough reason to not optimize your training?
@@westendelite1 at the end they started explaining better but Ian was trying to say powerlifter all train the same there are literally 15 plus methods just for the big 3 listen to a Guy like matt wenning or bill kazimer or Ed coan talk about training all very different
@@92pittsburgsteelers I’ll definitely agree that iain was a bit inaccurate with that analogy, because there are tons of ways to train for any sport. But execution of your methods can still be optimized. Guys like wenning and ed and say chad Wesley smith might disagree on methods around periodization and even exercise selection but would come together on the nitty gritty of controlling for things like standardizing (your) execution and volume calculation to optimize progression and overload. Even if they would approach it differently.
It's so funny that you guys are talking about not adding money to the winner and giving the other competitors more money and right at this moment Arnold announces that the top prize for open is gonna be 300K, a 100k increase only for the winner 😅
I think it’s a good assumption. I have friends here that care about me and like hanging out together. That’s what bro chat is about. It’s not a popularity contest.
I disagree @1:45:00. Ian saying there is a uniform/concrete way for pros to train in their respected sports isn’t necessarily true. Especially when he mentions track and field, Usain Bolt and Justin Gatlin did not train the same way. They both had different running styles even. Yes, In every sport, there are generalities that can get someone better, but once you get more advanced, every coach/athlete will have their own method that has worked for them.
Bodybuilders talking constantly about how unhealthy it is to be in the sport and competing for too long but pass up on an opportunity to make an extra 100k+ to help them retire earlier is the most confusing thing. Anybody in the top 10 could tear their ACL tomorrow and never place that high again.
Man I love your podcast so much !!! I was laughing a lot over you making fun of Guy the way he speaks to the wives 😂 every time I see that there’s a new episode I get super excited ! Thanks for doing this ❤️
Fouad is so stubborn 😂 Also, two ways you can settle this argument quickly: 1. You don’t have to have a better physique than someone to be able to provide valuable advice. There’s a reason PROFESSIONAL athletes have coaches who haven’t necessarily won a Super Bowl for example. 2. If Ramy asked you to coach him, meaning he is actively seeking for help, and in your training session you notice his leg press is too fast, or not low enough, would you not offer a suggestion that would optimize his training? I bet you would. It’s ok to say there is a better way, and most things have a “best practice”. You don’t need to follow it, but it doesn’t make it any less “optimal”.
I truly love everything about the long "disagreements" Ian has a great ability to convey what he thinks without hesitation. He's so raw and pure. Fouad thank you for giving us this to listen to.
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Love that you guys can have a serious argument, but not let it get too serious to the point that it isn’t fun
Of course man. At the end of the day that’s what makes the podcast great. We all have different opinions.
I don’t think to be friends you all have to think alike.
@@FouadAbiad 100p this .
100% couldn’t agree more towards the end was a good laugh lol
Debate not argument! Super fun listening too. team justin and Iain btw
@@FouadAbiad Those are the best friends. It's not shouting or anger, it's PASSION and RESPECT. The next day it's nearly all forgotten! If someone isn't my friend or I don't respect their opinion I don't argue, show passion I just go "Yeah sure, I can see your point of view" or some cliche brush off. I wouldn't even bother debating.
How is IAIN not the top guy for “Best Ambassador”?! He is legitimately the only top pro who consistently goes on podcasts/interviews no matter what and pours his soul out to fans and gives top notch analysis. I mean the guy gave a fan $50!!
Iain is the best ambassador in my eyes and it’s not even close. He gives honest information, never bragged about coaching Chris, and is the most loyal, honest, hardworking guy out there.
Fouad, please rethink this!!
Amen!!! Ian for Ambassador!!!
They went through that last year! Lol
How can nick be nominated as best ambassador, he doesn't go anywhere. He doesn't talk or engage much. He's rarely at events. He just wants to eat, sleep and train, staying in his house. absolutely nothing wrong with that in itself but Just cause he posts some vids of him working out doesn't mean he's being an ambassador for bodybuilding.
Right
I couldn’t agree more.
Ian should be an attorney his ability to argue is amazing
He is able to argue with putting emotions aside and just state facts lol
I agree he presented his side much better than Fouad! I would have to agree with him!
Pure logical beast.
Fuad just doesn't listen when he argue...
He’s been married for 10 years, he has to be able to argue like an attorney
Iain is probably the most eloquent bodybuilder. He is so good at thinking rationally and putting his thoughts in a concise manner
@@DG-hq6rc He probably mean's the equivalent of "articulate"
3 hour podcast?! Fouad really came through and said, "Hey man, I know you have an 8 hour work day, but lemme help ya get through half"
An absolute godsend.
Bruh 🤣
Spot on
So thankful he left in the argument this time. More content is always better, even if it is just a heated argument that goes on for an hour.
yessir
1. Love how Fouad always gives an outlet for the bros to have some guy time
2. Justin grew so much in his personality and physique
3. Paul is Paul we love you buddy
4. Proud of Guy for running a podcast and still make time for his friends on bro chat
5. Ian’s admirable in many ways but I respect how he stands on for opinion
Don’t you dare disrespect Paul like that! 👿😂
You are wrong, Paul is not Paul, Paul is the Grandpa Smurf🤣
@@gagebrekke9958lolol
@@Ismacobrayes he is haha
That disappointment in Justin’s voice when he realized Fouad wasn’t listening to their rebuttal 😂😂😂
Lol.. heard that!
😂😂😂
Favorite part of the argument…
Iain finishes his point*
Justin: That’s a good argument, Fouad, you can agree w that, right?
Fouad: What?
Justin: You didn’t listen…
Fouad: I’m deleting this whole f’n argument…
Thanks for leaving it all in, Fouad! Entertaining AF!😂
😂😂
Guy, Nick and Jose are more likeable and interesting on Bro Chat, than on their own podcasts. That's a credit to Fouad's ability to bring the best out of people in this format.
Its true.. i legit tried to give it a chance but cant get into it.
Totally agree, but I do like Jose’s podcast.
Agree
Bro Nick is boring !! Doesn’t talk no personality
@@1871kwame1 😂true
Ian got some real knowledge of how to not be satisfied with greatness. Fouod just because a guy is a monser doesn't mean he has no flaws with what works already. When Mj spoke at Kobe's funeral, he would say how Kobe would reach out and ask him a question about a post up move at 2am in the morning. Maybe Kobe just dropped 50 points and already had 3 championships. Ian definitely won the second half of this discussion. #ohhcanadaheyy?!?
Melissa’s laugh at Ian’s calves maxing out comment was hilarious!!! You guys should do more couples podcasts and their opinions no one has ever done that before and is amazing context
Iain is 100% correct here. Just because youre the best doesnt mean you cant get better.
But it also doesn’t mean you can.
@@corya3189 this is irrelevant, but your not wrong I guess lol 😂
if it ain't broken don't try to fix it.
So many episodes releasing lately, I think I can say for everyone that we're all loving it! Keep up the great work Fouad!
Please never cut out these hour long discussions. We all learn so much out of this! Thanks so much. Ps no one wins this argument because that’s body building, all about opinions and that’s why we all love it so much 🤟🏻
Iain & Justin are funny af. Love everything about them. And they always give good commentary/discussion on physiques/shows etc.
The argument is because form and style are getting mixed up lol there’s a proper form that’s general for Everyone but style and tempo are all relative.
exactly. best post.
Yes!
There is an optimal "form"/technique to target a muscle or different regions/divisions (e.g. clavicular/sternal/costal pec or thoracic/lumbar/iliac lat), this is biomechanics.
However, the style can individual in the sense that you might not be able to execute it biomechanically perfect due to e.g., mobility issues etc.
Sensation can help to tweak a movement or a machine to target different areas (regional hypertrophy), but biomechanics (which inevitably is based on research) is universal for everyone and those rules cannot be changed (i.e., different sensation in different individuals doesn't change "biomechanical rules").
You can actually check the research on rest periods, which is basically more rest is needed for the nervous system to recover to enable maximal mechanical tension (i.e. the stimulus for hypertrophy). But doing more volume with shorter rest periods might compensate for that (e.g. Brad Schoenfelds studies with 1-2 minutes rest but 10-20 hard sets a week). If you rest more, you need fewer sets to reach the threshold of maximal stimulus/mechanical tension for hypertrophy.
So in a sense, this might explain why a Jay/Fouad training style might yield similar/good results compared to Dorian/Iain/Justin
@@FouadAbiad it’s the same as is it a skill argument. Ronnie and Michael jordan say. Jordan can absolutely form squat just as good as Ronnie but Ronnie could never have the same skill to shoot a fade away jumper. Everyone is confusing the strength and sacrifice with the actual skill. Can jordan front squat 600lbs absolutely not but he’s also not eating 900 grams of carbs and on gear. Can he front squat with the same proper form as Ronnie absolutely that’s it that’s the skill is form not the weight that’s all relative. Does bodybuilding require way more mental toughness and sacrifices and what not absolutely but that’s not skill that’s person driven. Jordan can perform a perfect form deadlift but Ronnie would never be able to have the skill to shoot 90% from the free throw line that’s a way advanced skill.
Guys Ian is talking pure science. 2 identical twins down to the atom . Fed the same diet and and sleep only variable is training . 1 has to be superior even if it’s a small amount
Iain is the my favorite ambassador, he is smart and always speaks his mind .
I love how fouad was stumped with the phil health arms analogy so just pretended he didnt hear and said he was going to delete it 😂😂😂😂
I love how passionate Ian is even if I don't agree with him 100% of the time. He is my Fan Favorite pick!!
Great podcast! Y’all always make my day when these episodes drop
3 hour podcast + increased posting frequency. My RBP dream came true 🤩
Blessing us with high frequency podcasting! Hopefully bro chat and bb&b collab podcast soon.
This definitely got me through the work day. Love it guys! Cheers to hour-long arguments 😂
Love the heated debate! Shows passion. Thanks for keeping it in Fouad
Fouad is such a gaslighter when he argues 😂 argues completely different things than Iain says and puts words in his mouth that he never said 😂
I was thinking the exact same thing! Haha 😂Fouad was just putting words in Iain and Justin’s mouth… it was getting frustrating
Let’s goooo made my day. If I see iain on a podcast, I’m clicking
I used Marek health recently for my blood work thank you for the recommendation Fouad! It was extremely helpful because I have struggled finding a doctor that would listen to me and really help me.
They are the best!
Iain and Justin are absolutely correct. They are also not hindering future lifters. They are keeping us safe.
To some degree for sure. Those that can read between the lines.
These arguments make this podcast GOLD 😂
Respectfully, I’m with Iain and Justin on this one! Greg Pitt once said “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it? Well if it could be better, it’s as good as broken”
I think he means if it’s already working for you why change it?
@@FouadAbiad It was hard to write it as if Greg was saying it haha but basically he was saying if something could be better then it’s as good as broken. I miss Greg Plitt!! Such a motivational speaker.
The power of this podcast is getting us to sit through a 60 min argument hahahaha :) Love you guys!!
Thank you so much for what you do for bodybuilding. I love you guys so much!
Great podcast, thanks for keeping the 60 mins extra in. Kindest regards, Richard U.K
Love the trascripts:
"60 minutes of arguing." 😂
😂
Thank you for this one boys!!! Stay safe, strong and God Bless You All!!! 💪🙏
too many good guests on bro chat👍 wish there was 2 episodes a week, still missing Roman, Paul and Jose. thanks for the content Fouad
Thank you for not deleting the argument. I made it through and took a lot of value from it. Keep up the good work guys!
The argument is that even CBUM could improve which is why Hany tweaked things in his training and diet
Because he was the best doesn’t mean he couldn’t be better
This was an awesome debate! You guys kept a smile on my face the whole time! Thank you!
He didn’t win anything but I think Martin Fitzwater had a great season. A breakout if you will. I think he made great improvements to his physique last year and it showed in his placings. Still has a lil more growing to do but I think he’s going to be a force to be reckoned with soon. The guy has made me a believer.
Coming from someone who has been training off and on for 7 years total and rediscovered my love and desire for bodybuilding two years ago after some personal life issues. This podcast is one of the best ones. The substance of the debate along with analyzing each point instead of making one big general point really helps people to understand these concepts. Don’t cut stuff like this. People who are always looking to learn love these debates!!!
Iain doesn't care whatever Guy says, literally pays no attention to him 😂
Love guy but he’s pretty useless in debates, he will say something and immediately backtrack depending on the reaction
@@triggtotheer7436 lol
Glad you guys finally left the arguments in instead of cutting it out!!
“they’re gonna add more money” literally an hour after this podcast: ARNOLD purse increased to 300k 😂😂
And props to Guy for correctly predicting the Arnold committee would increase the prize money
Bloody brilliant, tremendous as always. Thank you. Fouad thank you guys. We love listening to you all.
Thank you Fouad and all BC/RBP members
My favorite crew is Fouad, Paul, Guy, Iain
1:46 guy holding his hand up to speak is absolute comedy hahaha
Justin is a legend his humour is epic
Bro as soon as the topic came up and Justin raised his voice I just knew this was the 60 minute argument 😂😂😂
Fouad saying this person was successful so how could it be wrong is one of the most frustrating pointless points ever lol
The leader sets the tone. You don't look to people who aren't at the top for advice. As humans we look to people with success and try to emulate their strategies. It happens daily in sports, business and everything else. Its how we learn and evolve and its what sets the standard. Success is definitely a measurement that needs to be used.
@@FouadAbiad the vast majority of coaches in every sport weren't top athletes in those sports including bodybuilding, why do athletes listen to these coaches if they've never been successful themselves, i don't necessarily disagree with your stance but i think arguments from authority are always bad
That's 60 min argument debate was absolute Gold ......lol.......
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I see so many people use science as unchangeable fact when we have many examples of things was considered facts and today we believe something completely different and that is why there is not optimal way to train and personal experience is a big factor in what is optimal for u and I think ppl should try many training styles and find out through their experience what is optimal
Fuad if you like Kevin Samuels content, I
Highly recommend reading the book the way of the superior man by David Deida. Understanding intergender dynamics in todays world is a really big plus especially if your a young kid looking for some sort of purpose in this world. 💪
Love the arguments, plz don’t cut them out anymore 🙏
Justin’s patience is next level
Great podcast! Glad you left it in. Those conversations are good to hear and informative. Also shows you guys are human, you know? Arguing, getting heated, talking through and resolve. Good shit fouad and company
Nothing like waking up to a new podcast upload by Cigarette Roadhead Fouad.
I love that you left the argument!! Best part of the pod!
Justin looked like he was about too explode this entire podcast lol
Yeah everyone likes to talk over him in this one.
I’m glad you kept the argument in, it was good to see an informative debate
So happy to see you guys today, love Justin and Iain and Guy. Guy I'm subscribed to the mutant and the mouth but I gotta catch up on episodes. Best of luck to everyone here. Fouad thanks as always for being awesome and making great content.
3 HOUR PODCAST! LFG! THANK YOU FOUAD
7 weeks out is enough time for Iain to do very well at the Arnold. The guy stays 6% body fat year round. He’s already got more than enough muscle. Small waist, boulder shoulders, exceptional conditioning. He should jump in
I though the same thing. He was in shape just peaking was off. Should def hop in Arnold's. Also biased since i am a fan of his.
Idk man love Iain but I feel like he needs significant rest and analysis of his approach.
@@Brose_Canseco no iain can definitely walk on stage today. His approach is to be inside out peeled that was the bad thing he said it himself. They cut sodium and without sodium you can’t load you need water and minerals to load up your muscles with glycogen. Don’t go on that “nerve damage” train that trigily has everyone one. That guy sniff’s Samir old school ass and thinks he knows everything
Now Fouad and Iain have had an arguement, we won’t see them together on the podcast for weeks 😂
Can’t wait to hear iain win this argument
He's not there's dozens of ways to the train
@@92pittsburgsteelers of course. But the guys do a poor job of defining the parameters of their debates. What Justin and Iain are saying here is that by optimizing the control of your input allows them to accurately measure the output. So by standardizing
-execution, tempo, rest periods, movement selection etc it can be directly measured into progress by weight on the bar and body weight accrument. And when you have that control a lack of progress is easier to analyze and diagnose. The missing context is that optimal training control (which can still be applied to high volume training) is only one variable in the overall goal of hypertrophy. Diet adherence, drugs, sleep quality, stress control and genetic component of each of those will end up having a way bigger impact on the outcome of a physique. But, like from Justin’s perspective, is that a good enough reason to not optimize your training?
@@westendelite1 at the end they started explaining better but Ian was trying to say powerlifter all train the same there are literally 15 plus methods just for the big 3 listen to a Guy like matt wenning or bill kazimer or Ed coan talk about training all very different
@@92pittsburgsteelers I’ll definitely agree that iain was a bit inaccurate with that analogy, because there are tons of ways to train for any sport. But execution of your methods can still be optimized. Guys like wenning and ed and say chad Wesley smith might disagree on methods around periodization and even exercise selection but would come together on the nitty gritty of controlling for things like standardizing (your) execution and volume calculation to optimize progression and overload. Even if they would approach it differently.
@@westendelite1 you're making a whole lot more sense than they were they seem kind of unreasonable with their method
That was great hearing all sides of the argument. I can't believe you've deleted these before!
It's so funny that you guys are talking about not adding money to the winner and giving the other competitors more money and right at this moment Arnold announces that the top prize for open is gonna be 300K, a 100k increase only for the winner 😅
I love that Fouad adding the hour long argument 😂 training always ruffles feathers and I love it.
Fucking love Iain, for me he is the best ambasador.
Best podcast hands down. Makes my weekly cardio go by so fast. Keep it up guys!
33:26 Lol Guy called it they just raised 1st place to 300k
The Phil Heath arm workout analogy got ‘em 😅
The BEST Podcast every time, this 4 is the MOST ENTERTAINING , FUNNIEST, HONEST, 4 Best Friend shooting the Sh-t….LOVE IT…Hosstile RULES.
safe to assume nick is not coming back
Forget him it is just as good without him
I guarantee he will be back one day. He’s clearly still not happy with Fouad but I think they will sort it out in the future
He didn't add anything tbh
We’ve been safe to assume that for months lol
I think it’s a good assumption. I have friends here that care about me and like hanging out together. That’s what bro chat is about.
It’s not a popularity contest.
I disagree @1:45:00. Ian saying there is a uniform/concrete way for pros to train in their respected sports isn’t necessarily true. Especially when he mentions track and field, Usain Bolt and Justin Gatlin did not train the same way. They both had different running styles even. Yes, In every sport, there are generalities that can get someone better, but once you get more advanced, every coach/athlete will have their own method that has worked for them.
Fouad and Guy are literally meatheads while justin and ian actually are progressing in their bodybuilding career.
No. Guy and Fouad are in their 40’s and have seen many different styles work for many different people.
One of the best podcasts ever. Respectful friends have a great debate, it's candid, passionate and honest.
Bodybuilders talking constantly about how unhealthy it is to be in the sport and competing for too long but pass up on an opportunity to make an extra 100k+ to help them retire earlier is the most confusing thing. Anybody in the top 10 could tear their ACL tomorrow and never place that high again.
Watching this argument for probably the sixth time now and still learning something new every time
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I kept feeling like the argument was coming to a resolution, then I check the time stamp and I’m like “25 more minutes??? Really?!?” 😂
Are these still getting uploaded to Spotify?
Guy with his hand up forever during the "discussion" is cracking me up 🤣
Loved this podcast. Thank you all for this installment. Will subscribe and support this channel forever! Iain is the best!
Best episodes are these ones man I love this shit so much. Please never edit out these arguments this is everything
You are spoiling us with these podcasts lately, love it
That argument was stressful 🤣🤣🤣 what a great podcast. 👍
Man I love your podcast so much !!! I was laughing a lot over you making fun of Guy the way he speaks to the wives 😂 every time I see that there’s a new episode I get super excited ! Thanks for doing this ❤️
Please never ever ever remove arguments regardless of topic again from the podcasts…great podcast! 😂
Half way in the argument and still excited...incredible how stubborn you guys can be, but I love it! 😄
Fouad is so stubborn 😂 Also, two ways you can settle this argument quickly:
1. You don’t have to have a better physique than someone to be able to provide valuable advice. There’s a reason PROFESSIONAL athletes have coaches who haven’t necessarily won a Super Bowl for example.
2. If Ramy asked you to coach him, meaning he is actively seeking for help, and in your training session you notice his leg press is too fast, or not low enough, would you not offer a suggestion that would optimize his training? I bet you would.
It’s ok to say there is a better way, and most things have a “best practice”. You don’t need to follow it, but it doesn’t make it any less “optimal”.
Look guy is harmless af but he absolutely loves talking to the wives lmaooo
$300k for the Arnold is insane none of the top guys should be skipping it!
Loved seeing the "argument" these kind of healthy discussions is what makes the podcast great
Spotify version of this came out odd. Tapping sound in background of audio.
3 hour pod. Gotta love it
Iain is such a good debater....I could have used him as a debate partner in college
I truly love everything about the long "disagreements" Ian has a great ability to convey what he thinks without hesitation. He's so raw and pure. Fouad thank you for giving us this to listen to.
“We have a 45 minute argument then we all get in the gym and nothing changes we’re all the same” good point. Subtle differences same goal.
The talking dirty part had me dyingggg, you guys are the best, hands down my favorite podcast of the year!