The IWC needs to learn how to praise one promotion without bringing down another. You can’t act like WWE running the way they do is a bad thing. They’re as big as they are today simply because of how their shows run.
If someone asked me “How would you describe Lucha Underground?”, I would tell them that I view it a “dark version of CHIKARA”. The cinematic scenes, the fighting styles of some of the wrestlers, the superpowers and magical objects used by said wrestlers, the... deaths of various characters. You see those traits in CHIKARA, but Lucha Underground displays a much darker tone to them.
Vampiro and Matt Striker were a great commentary team. Johnny Mundo and Taya came off as so badass with worldwide underground, good seeing Ivelisse being so high profile in almost every match. had several really great death matches too. it would have been nice seeing Alberto El Patron vs Johnny Mundo feud go longer.
Matt Striker won me over immediately when he compared Dario Cueto to the Beyonder summoning the world's greatest heroes and villains to Battleworld for the Secret Wars.
@Kristofer Carter Roku tv revived El Rey as a streaming channel and you can see all the Lucha Underground episodes. if you do not have a Roku tv then search youtube it has most shows from the 4 seasons
I miss LU so much. It was starting to get wobbly near the end, but I’d take another season of it over six months’ worth of the current mainstream product.
I was part of that small but loyal fanbase. Loved lucha underground. From the soap opera aspects to the tip of the hat to WMAC Masters (holy crap props for mentioning that yourself - never forget season 3 of WMAC was filmed and never released) the fact they played kayfabe by having the wrestling itself actually only be a show within its own larger universe was a chefs kiss.
Man I loved Lucha Underground. Wrestling in America felt stale at that time, and LU was not only innovative with their storytelling techniques, but they had the production budget to back it up.
I really did enjoy watching a Lucha Underground they're going for their only take like a TV show mix with pro wrestling especially the Supernatural characters
During Wrestlemania weekend, a man from Australia saw my Lucha Underground beanie and wanted to talk about the promotion. Crazy to think the people this little show reached. I never did watch that final season. The promotions' heart had stopped by then.
I love wrestling it’s my sport of choice, but my stepdad loves soccer but when Lucha Underground released it’s the only thing that caught his eye, he would introduce me to it and gave us something to bond about, I wish it came back
The debut of Matanza Cuerto in Azecta Warefare 2 which was like a big gauntlet match where the winner was Lucha Underground champion Basically Jeff Cobb under a mask and while Cobb is a good wrestler his work as Matanza is his best
FINALLY!!! Oh my word, I've been waiting for some attention to be paid to Lucha! Single-handedly got me back into pro-wrestling. Edit: Like, legitimately dude. Thank you for making this video. Made my Friday. 2nd Edit: Dammit, man, and now you throw in a WMAC Masters reference? Crap, now I *GOT* to join your Patreon!
The one I'll never forget about Lucha Underground was the year long build up and eventual match between Vampiro and Pentagon Jr. That has to be the greatest wrestling story I've ever seen play out and at the every end when Pentagon Jr learns who is his master I was just losing my mind going, "What the fuck just happened?" It was perfection.
Back during seasons 2 and 3, even with NXT black and gold on the same night, Lucha Underground was the highlight of the wrestling week. Pity about those horrible contracts though. BTW, nice Digital Underground reference there, Dave.
The problem with Lucha Underground was it was a great wrestling show, run by people that understood storytelling, but not the wrestling business. They never were able to launch a touring brand, but I guess they thought they could, or would. Why else would you try to prevent talent from working elsewhere, but not provide a place for them to work? They needed to try the old “booking fee” system that territory owners used. Lucha could trademark characters, and charge a fee for that character to appear. Otherwise, the talent can work, just not under the same gimmick, if they can’t provide work.
Actually I went to a independent event where I was able to talk to aerostar and also Drago on a seperate occasion and asked them what their experience was like working for Lucha underground and they had no complaints they described it as a really great time in their life. I asked them about the contracts and they didn’t speak bad about it like every fan makes it seem. One thing they did say is that there was days that they had to do several different matches in one day (due to recordings) and it would take a toll on their body.
I loved LU. It had great wrestling but I loved how it wasn't just a wrestling first show it was more about what happened outside of the ring and the stories with wrestling thrown in their
I liked how it was clear that many characters had agendas beyond winning belts (though that was of course part of it.) There was vague but real supernatural power to be gained in the Temple and which could extend far beyond the wrestling ring.
Thank you for doing this. Honestly… Some of my all-time favorite wrestling came from season one and season two of the show. I also got to drop you a message about how I almost went to a live taping…
And they never made a big deal about it. I don't think the word "intergender" was even uttered - it was just assumed that, if you were in the Temple, you'd fight men, women, dragons, reptile men, whomever!
@@joshellison85 lot of people would be willing. In my personal opinion the only people that can really realistically takedown characters like Bray Wyatt and Undertaker, and aleister black / Malachi black, are people that are of the exact same character.
Lucha Underground is what made me a wrestling fan. IMO the industry should take more notes on how they did things. There's way too much cruft in wrestling that are "because we've always done it this way" or artifacts of when they were pretending real hard that wrestling was a legitimate unscripted sport.
I loved LU, seasons 2 and 3 were some of the very best wrestling storytelling I've ever seen. It truly showed that a different, more innovative and creative take at wrestling was possible, and how much pure fun it could be. Pity it ended the way it ended and how wrestlers were treated economically.
I attended a couple LU tapings. Super fun atmosphere! Unfortunately, I had to wait a year before they were broadcast, and we all had to sign waivers to not disclose any spoilers.
I don't know about this video Dave. I'm going to have to check in with Meltzer and Alvarez to see if they approve of this. I think I have warned you before about FACTS and RESEARCH and how it is unaccepted in the IWC!!!! 🤣
Dario (and even now under the moniker of Cesar Duran in MLW) kills it as a heel authority figure for me. More Head of the Table than Reigns . More preferable to having to put up with enduring the sight of Andrade In AEW. 🤔Y'know?
Around this time I had stopped watching wrestling. From WWE getting stale for me to Cornette ruining ROH to Dixie, Hogan and Russo killing TNA, I was done. But my dad who isn’t even the biggest of wrestling fans, the biggest casual there is, LOVED Lucha Underground. He would tell me how awesome it is and he never talks about wrestling like that. Anytime I tuned into Raw I started getting headaches because of how bad it was for me. It was like radiation l. I really wish I hadn’t missed wrestling from 2015-2019. I began watching again because AEW brought me back but I missed the Indie boom period, Lucha Underground and NJPW at it’s peak.
My fav promotion im watching this promotion kix asian in indonesia many name apear in this promotion such rey fenix pentagon jr john morison mayu iwatani kairi iyo sky king muertes and santos escobar apear this promotion
Got to meet mil muertes at wrestlecon 2023 and he was honestly one of the nicest wrestlers I’ve ever met, as a 3rd generation luchador i asked for tons of advice and he took time and thought with each answer, him kalisto, Andrade aka la sombra, mark hennry, Enzo and Adam Cole gave me some great advice fr and all genuinely took their time to teach me what they know before my debut I really hope I can entertain you all one day -El Chivo
It went down the drain because the American geeks killed everything for everybody just like they have for everything else in wrestling...the show desperately needed to lean even more into lucha instead of doing the opposite, what the hell were the likes of Sonny kiss, Jack swagger, etc doing in LUCHA Underground? Its lucha underground not some lame 2010's indie fed.
I loved LU. The WWE is a TV show who pretends that it isn't. Lucha Underground embraced the fact that it's a show. Every episode told a story.
The IWC needs to learn how to praise one promotion without bringing down another. You can’t act like WWE running the way they do is a bad thing. They’re as big as they are today simply because of how their shows run.
LU was great, but that doesn’t mean that WWE currently isn’t
@@im4ni_b no wwe sucks example sami zayn
If someone asked me “How would you describe Lucha Underground?”, I would tell them that I view it a “dark version of CHIKARA”. The cinematic scenes, the fighting styles of some of the wrestlers, the superpowers and magical objects used by said wrestlers, the... deaths of various characters. You see those traits in CHIKARA, but Lucha Underground displays a much darker tone to them.
Vampiro and Matt Striker were a great commentary team. Johnny Mundo and Taya came off as so badass with worldwide underground, good seeing Ivelisse being so high profile in almost every match. had several really great death matches too. it would have been nice seeing Alberto El Patron vs Johnny Mundo feud go longer.
Love Matt Striker
Matt Striker and Vampiro’s commentary often reminds me of Taz and Excalibur
Matt Striker won me over immediately when he compared Dario Cueto to the Beyonder summoning the world's greatest heroes and villains to Battleworld for the Secret Wars.
i miss that show so much that was the best wrestling show ever all of it.
💯 The show was crazy awesome.
@Kristofer Carter Roku tv revived El Rey as a streaming channel and you can see all the Lucha Underground episodes. if you do not have a Roku tv then search youtube it has most shows from the 4 seasons
@@vicenteguerrero1433 awesome news thank you.
My introduction to Ricochet
I miss LU so much. It was starting to get wobbly near the end, but I’d take another season of it over six months’ worth of the current mainstream product.
I wish Lucha Underground got a video game
I was part of that small but loyal fanbase. Loved lucha underground. From the soap opera aspects to the tip of the hat to WMAC Masters (holy crap props for mentioning that yourself - never forget season 3 of WMAC was filmed and never released) the fact they played kayfabe by having the wrestling itself actually only be a show within its own larger universe was a chefs kiss.
Your Teacher Matt Striker
Man I loved Lucha Underground. Wrestling in America felt stale at that time, and LU was not only innovative with their storytelling techniques, but they had the production budget to back it up.
I really did enjoy watching a Lucha Underground they're going for their only take like a TV show mix with pro wrestling especially the Supernatural characters
Something about the arena for Lucha Underground remind me a lot of wrestling Society X
During Wrestlemania weekend, a man from Australia saw my Lucha Underground beanie and wanted to talk about the promotion. Crazy to think the people this little show reached. I never did watch that final season. The promotions' heart had stopped by then.
I love wrestling it’s my sport of choice, but my stepdad loves soccer but when Lucha Underground released it’s the only thing that caught his eye, he would introduce me to it and gave us something to bond about, I wish it came back
Mr. Cueto *indeed* has something going with Lucha Underground 😉🤣
Dario now "runs" mlw and his own stable
The debut of Matanza Cuerto in Azecta Warefare 2 which was like a big gauntlet match where the winner was Lucha Underground champion Basically Jeff Cobb under a mask and while Cobb is a good wrestler his work as Matanza is his best
Son Of Havoc
When I saw Vampiro come out in his gear for that match with Pentagon good god
FINALLY!!! Oh my word, I've been waiting for some attention to be paid to Lucha! Single-handedly got me back into pro-wrestling.
Edit: Like, legitimately dude. Thank you for making this video. Made my Friday.
2nd Edit: Dammit, man, and now you throw in a WMAC Masters reference? Crap, now I *GOT* to join your Patreon!
Same man it got me back into wrestling heavy
The one I'll never forget about Lucha Underground was the year long build up and eventual match between Vampiro and Pentagon Jr. That has to be the greatest wrestling story I've ever seen play out and at the every end when Pentagon Jr learns who is his master I was just losing my mind going, "What the fuck just happened?" It was perfection.
Back during seasons 2 and 3, even with NXT black and gold on the same night, Lucha Underground was the highlight of the wrestling week. Pity about those horrible contracts though.
BTW, nice Digital Underground reference there, Dave.
I was waiting to see who was gonna catch that reference. I couldn't help it. I had to do it!
The problem with Lucha Underground was it was a great wrestling show, run by people that understood storytelling, but not the wrestling business. They never were able to launch a touring brand, but I guess they thought they could, or would. Why else would you try to prevent talent from working elsewhere, but not provide a place for them to work? They needed to try the old “booking fee” system that territory owners used. Lucha could trademark characters, and charge a fee for that character to appear. Otherwise, the talent can work, just not under the same gimmick, if they can’t provide work.
Actually I went to a independent event where I was able to talk to aerostar and also Drago on a seperate occasion and asked them what their experience was like working for Lucha underground and they had no complaints they described it as a really great time in their life. I asked them about the contracts and they didn’t speak bad about it like every fan makes it seem. One thing they did say is that there was days that they had to do several different matches in one day (due to recordings) and it would take a toll on their body.
I loved LU. It had great wrestling but I loved how it wasn't just a wrestling first show it was more about what happened outside of the ring and the stories with wrestling thrown in their
I liked how it was clear that many characters had agendas beyond winning belts (though that was of course part of it.) There was vague but real supernatural power to be gained in the Temple and which could extend far beyond the wrestling ring.
LU was the best. My favorite moment comes from Season 2's No Mas match, coupled with Sexy Star's very audible "Fuck You" to her opponent.
Thank you for doing this. Honestly… Some of my all-time favorite wrestling came from season one and season two of the show.
I also got to drop you a message about how I almost went to a live taping…
The thing I liked about LU was the fact that it wasn`t afraid to have intergender matches, unlike some other big wrestling shows I know.
And they never made a big deal about it. I don't think the word "intergender" was even uttered - it was just assumed that, if you were in the Temple, you'd fight men, women, dragons, reptile men, whomever!
@@suedenim Yeah, you're so right! That's what made the show awesome to me. You didn't know what to expect! :)
I still remembered when fennix got defeated and took of his mask i cried when that happened
Dario is one of the best authority figures in wrestling!
LU is majorly missed. It was entirely unique and something I'd never really seen before from a wrestling promotion on TV.
The first season of LU was the last time i got really excited about pro wrestling
Bray Wyatt would have thrived in Lucha Underground
LU was made for characters like Bray Wyatt and Undertaker.
Absolutely. His gimmick was Taylor made of LU.
Long as people would job out to him.
@@joshellison85 lot of people would be willing. In my personal opinion the only people that can really realistically takedown characters like Bray Wyatt and Undertaker, and aleister black / Malachi black, are people that are of the exact same character.
Nah he sucks
I enjoyed Lucha Underground, they style was entertaining
Thanks dave this brings good memories of action in lucha underground times
For awhile I really think it was the best wrestling show on TV💯 easily had one of the best rosters I’ve ever seen
I miss Lucha Underground 😢
Lucha Underground is what made me a wrestling fan. IMO the industry should take more notes on how they did things. There's way too much cruft in wrestling that are "because we've always done it this way" or artifacts of when they were pretending real hard that wrestling was a legitimate unscripted sport.
I've been waiting for this, I loved Lucha Underground
I loved LU, seasons 2 and 3 were some of the very best wrestling storytelling I've ever seen. It truly showed that a different, more innovative and creative take at wrestling was possible, and how much pure fun it could be. Pity it ended the way it ended and how wrestlers were treated economically.
I attended a couple LU tapings. Super fun atmosphere! Unfortunately, I had to wait a year before they were broadcast, and we all had to sign waivers to not disclose any spoilers.
It was my primary exposure to multitude of amazing sequence thanks to youtube.
I loved prince puma, matanza customer and angelico.
i miss lucha underground and helping penta el 0m becoming megastar
Didn't like how the matches were edited at times but admitted the creativity and emphasis to their storytelling😊
Best wrestling show ever😢
I miss lucha underground
Thank For The Story Video 📖🙊🤯😃😍👍
Thanks!
Thank you!!! I really do appreciate it a lot!!!
OLE OLE OLE OLE
LUCHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LUCHAAAAAAAAAAA
I really wanted to like lunca underground but i never knew when it was on and i wasn't even sure my cable package had el rey back then
I still love LU
LU was a good concept that could of been a great
Wait mlw underground is on peacock 10pm I thought anyway
Lucha
Two words (in Dario voice): LADDER MATCH!!!!!
I don't know about this video Dave. I'm going to have to check in with Meltzer and Alvarez to see if they approve of this. I think I have warned you before about FACTS and RESEARCH and how it is unaccepted in the IWC!!!! 🤣
You're right. I know. Just can't help it. I want thing to make sense
JOHNNY MUNDOOOOO
Season 1 & 2 Was The Best, Season 3 Was Ok , But Season 4 Couldn’t Be Bother As It Didn’t Felt Same As Season 1 & 2.
Sports entertainment done right.
Killshot would also go onto make WWE and AEW
I knew I could blame Impact for something else hahaha
Dario (and even now under the moniker of Cesar Duran in MLW) kills it as a heel authority figure for me. More Head of the Table than Reigns . More preferable to having to put up with enduring the sight of Andrade In AEW.
🤔Y'know?
Around this time I had stopped watching wrestling. From WWE getting stale for me to Cornette ruining ROH to Dixie, Hogan and Russo killing TNA, I was done. But my dad who isn’t even the biggest of wrestling fans, the biggest casual there is, LOVED Lucha Underground. He would tell me how awesome it is and he never talks about wrestling like that. Anytime I tuned into Raw I started getting headaches because of how bad it was for me. It was like radiation l. I really wish I hadn’t missed wrestling from 2015-2019. I began watching again because AEW brought me back but I missed the Indie boom period, Lucha Underground and NJPW at it’s peak.
My fav promotion im watching this promotion kix asian in indonesia many name apear in this promotion such rey fenix pentagon jr john morison mayu iwatani kairi iyo sky king muertes and santos escobar apear this promotion
johnny mundo is the greatest wrestler i'veever seen
Who would you say was the biggest name, to come out of Lucha Underground?
Pentagon Jr. You?
@@DaveKnowsWrestling either him, or Ricochet
@@WickedCool23 Ya, those are the two most objective options.
This why im a TNA lifer 🎉 crap like this scare me.😅
Got to meet mil muertes at wrestlecon 2023 and he was honestly one of the nicest wrestlers I’ve ever met, as a 3rd generation luchador i asked for tons of advice and he took time and thought with each answer, him kalisto, Andrade aka la sombra, mark hennry, Enzo and Adam Cole gave me some great advice fr and all genuinely took their time to teach me what they know before my debut
I really hope I can entertain you all one day
-El Chivo
Seeing Brian Cage straight smash Taya Valkyrie face first into a cinder block was absolutely life changing for me.
Can you do one on CYN? 😂
Control Your Narative. They couldn't. And done!
@Dave Knows Wrestling Damn, that's pretty harsh 😂
I know I was making a joke
Fun fact if season 5 happened killer kross was gonna become a god and take over
No he wasnt. He got killed. MVP was gonna become a god and take over
@@pilot8220 MVP was canned back in season 2 because he was going into business for himself.
Marty the moth pentgon dark drago cage puma mundo help make lucha underground
I thought the storylines were corny and dumb, but loved the in-ring product. Pentagon was my favourite.
It went down the drain because the American geeks killed everything for everybody just like they have for everything else in wrestling...the show desperately needed to lean even more into lucha instead of doing the opposite, what the hell were the likes of Sonny kiss, Jack swagger, etc doing in LUCHA Underground? Its lucha underground not some lame 2010's indie fed.