NTSB Media Brief - Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 (Jan 6) livestream
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- January 6, 2024: NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy briefs the media in Portland, Oregon, on the NTSB investigation involving Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 on a Boeing 737-9 MAX.
This is one busy lady. Yesterday it was the subway in NYC, the day before the Metro train, today it’s Alaska Air.
I'm glad no one was seriously injured. Fortunately that seems to be a theme in the many _many_ recent incidents, though the fact that the NTSB is being run ragged in the past few months is concerning in itself.
The 737's reputation is getting like the DC10 with the way the aircraft has been altered so much from it's original core design. I suppose that's always a cheaper option Vs establishing a totally new aircraft. What could possibly go wrong?
Agreed. The OG 737s, up to the 800 series, is an outstanding airframe. The MAX series on the other hand is troubling.
Funny, I was just thinking about how the Max is seeming to get the same rep as a DC10.
What and how many alterations to the 737 MAX were made that are dramatic departures from its "original core design"? They look the same to me.
It means you don't know seriously flawed the DC-10 was. The DC-10 makes the MAX look like the safest aircraft on the planet
@@cursivejay Are you interested in learning about the more broad structural design changes, or the more technical design changes like engines and flight deck controls i.e MCAS? Because my personal experience and knowledge (without wikipedia, google etc.) is limited to the former.
I have lost faith in Boeing 737 Max, sadly. A new aircraft should not crash, new aircraft fuselage should not fall apart mid air. My last 2 flights were on a A321 NEO, I may just end up booking flights on carriers not running 737 Max.
The MAX 9 , the varient affected is the least popular varient of the MAX family , most airlines fly the MAX 8 which is just fine.
I avoid the Neo and other Airbus that use the Geared Turbo Fan engines. I know of their failures during ground testing.
Boeing asked the FAA to exempt its 737 Max 7 from certain safety regulations. A says the request has, "given us great concern". Reported in the Seattle Times 1/5/24
Not entirely from safety regs I'm sure. I think they just want it to be certified under existing type certificates because there are almost no changes compared to the -8.
Nothing has changed with the MAXs. Boeing staff needs a major clean up, starting with the front office, Management, engineering, and production leaders.
They took a highly reliable plane, one of the most proven ever, then modified it to carry more people, and fly further, instead of doing a clean-sheet plane, which takes years.
They should have shelved the 757 and then reintroduced a 757MAX. Worst decision ever. But hey share holders
And in the end this Max debacle has cost them years anyway!
The door is no different to the 737-900 NG
Hats are off to the passenger cabin Flight Attendants and pilots for superb handling of a near disaster!
Even after explaining the use of a door plug, three times the speaker referred to the door plug as a door. We can now expect the media to say that the aircraft lost a door in flight. From there, reporting will probably only get worse. The use of the plug is based on the number of seats. I suspect that the elimination of a functional Emergency Exit Door is also a substantial cost saving because of the elimination of the rescue slide and related equipment and features
The 737 Max door plug might be resting in the tree tops. So glad the injury’s were minimal.
NTSB chair Jennifer Homendy is brilliant, - precise, very clear and informative.
How did she get this job. What a loser.
Every fastener broke free of each mounting hole, so what grade of bolts did they use? Grade P, for plastic?
More likely installed incorrectly.
The bolts just hold it in position -- there's no stress on the bolts. Air pressure holds it shut. My guess is that the bolts weren't actually fitted, allowing the door to move and then open.
There was a plane years ago that had windshields fasted from the outside, and a supervisor finished the replacement job, with screws too small for the holes by just a little. They guy had bad eyesight. A pilot was sucked halfway out, feet were caught on levers, and crew held onto him, but he took a high-altitude-beating, against the plane, but lived to tell about it.
Per a mayday episode I watched on this, the original bolts he removed were already incorrect, and he replacement bolts he got, were also too small by a tiny amount. So wouldn't say he had bad eyesight.
They were being rushed and overworked so developed practices to save time that weren't great.
Increasing incidents of compromised windscreens, windows, doors/plugs. Increasing incidents/accidents on the ramps, taxiways, runways. Increasing incidents/accidents in general aviation. A pattern seems to be developing here.
She thanks everyone except those physically on the airplane (Flight Attendants and Pilots)responsible for it’s safe return to the airport. Really..
It was only 16,000 feet into the sky. That's less than half its cruising altitude. Not much compression pressure on the door plug.
other miracle that no one was killed from the door falling from the sky
Didn't watch entire video but wondering if there's any mention of a door plug falling to the ground from 3 miles high, search for the plug.
KOIN: door that blew off Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 shortly after takeoff from Portland Friday night is believed to be around Barnes Road near Hwy 217 and the Cedar Hills neighborhood.
12:00 They know the general location and asked for the public’s help to find it.
Thank you for sharing this information. Transparency is important.
Great Example of Boeing Trying to cut Construction costs corners THIS could have been sooo soo much worse #NotAcceptable
This does not appear to be a cost cutting move by Boeing or Alaska Airlines. They only build/order to required specs. I also do not think this was an actual plug, but rather a door that is not required to be available, designated or used as an Emergency Exit. I suspect this was caused by either an engineering and design problem, a mechanical structure failure or a human error. I'm curious when this door was last opened, which would have been from the outside. Also, what other aircraft have this exact same design?
They got incredibly lucky the pressure is so much higher at higher altitude this could have caused a total disaster. All these 737max must be grounded for all carriers. United has the most!! Also Southwest and American. I will not be flying on them till they have been inspected
Not sure where you got your information, but Southwest and American don't fly the 737Max.
@@warrenlowe676southwest does fly the 737 max 8, 220 of them. Although this accident was a 737-max 900.
Actually Southwest has the most 737 max aircraft out of all airlines world wide with 220 max 8. United has the most max 9s than any other airline with 79 but also have 80 max 8s. Still less than Southwest.
@@EvansBrickhousequestion is does the 800 have the plug? That is the issue
The 737 max 8 does not have any door plugs do to it’s fuselage size. Only 737 max 9 MAY have the plug option, although not all do- there are several adaptations available. However, this door plug option with a full sized window is only available on the 737 max 9. That is why 737 max 9 are grounded at this time.
I was expecting some more details. They did not add any information at all and I am amazed no reporter asked them something technical. I understand it is the beginning of the investigation but at least they can share the details of where the plug door was ruptured....is there any tear on the metal or breakage of where the hinges would be? or just share pictures of that region with the public.
And no one brings up the fact that Spirit Aerosystems is the manufacturer of these fuselages...
Oh, it was brought up. My uneducated guess: Spirit probably made a logistical error, adding a fuselage part with exitdoors in the delivery to Boeing on the MAX9 line. Maybe just one, maybe a series.
When this shipment arrived at the Everettplant Boeingmanagers decided to use these 'faulty' fuselageparts anyway, in order not to delay the final assembly, and ordered their assemblycrew to simply put panels on the inside and to paint over it on the outside.
And since 171 MAX9 need(ed) to be inspected, my once again uneducated guess is that Spirit had no less than 171 of these faulty fuselage parts shipped to the Boeingplant.
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Maybe I missed it, but I did not hear Spirit mentioned one time in that conversation...
Prove me wrong
@@user-jm3om8jq9g It was never mentioned. Of course the NTSB covering it up as expected! Monkey dances following the money.
OUR COUNTRY NEEDS MORE JENNIFERS AND HER CREW. GOOD JOB JENNIFER.
This is making me think about Aloha 243 and United 811. Both those flights were at higher altitude, like 24,000, I think, and both of those had fatalities.
6:25 parties to the investigation: FAA, Boeing, Alaska Airlines, APA, AFA. Note: Boeing fuselage contractor Spirit AeroSystems not mentioned. 19:53 reason for door plug rather than door 22:21 design flaw?
That is right. Boeing is the only one to blame for this. My uneducated guess is that Spirit accidentally send the wrong fuselageparts to Everett, and instead of shipping them back Boeingmanagers decided to use them anyway in order not to delay the assemblyprocess.
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Plot twist (happened in a parallel universe): Boeing shipped those fuselages back and the train carrying them derailed and fell into a ravine.....oh, wait....😂
It sucked a shirt right off a little boy...good luck finding the shirt.
And the phone!
Looking for it right now in Cedar Hills
That's going to be in some guys basement bar for 50 years.
Why haven't we seen or heard the names of the flight crew and their experience; namely their total time and hours on the B-737 Max 9. I heard no MAY DAY call. ATC had to ask them if they wanted to declare an emergency. Every pilot is trained to declare an emergency so that all the airspace around them is now theirs. You don't request ATC for clearance, you inform them of your intentions, and they do a fantastic job to aid in every way possible. ATC knows that the pilots are busy with the emergency and will keep the questions to a minimum to allow the crew to conduct all the multiple checklists necessary to solve the problems. More will be revealed.
Boeing 737 MAXimum of problems ?
Boeing should've gone with their original plan to replace the 737 with a clean-sheet design, instead of continuing to frankenstein new fly-by-wire type tech onto an old 1960s airframe. That was the trouble with MCAS and continues to be an issue, requiring them to have to get waiver after waiver. Having said that, this unrelated accident is likely due to their other big problem - their troubling lack of quality control that first started showing up in their KC-46 production. The NTSB should also take a hard look at Spirit AeroSystems. I'm an aviation enthusiast and love Boeing aircraft but they've lost their way. I live in NM and watched them testing the 777X at Roswell back in September - beautiful aircraft and abysmally behind schedule.
Boeing’s quality control lately has been unacceptable. I still prefer them over Airbus, but I am deeply disappointed by them. The MAX 8s and 9s have been a total clusterf*ck.
On the other hand, kudos to Alaska Airlines for taking the immediate initiative to ground their planes for inspection.
So tell me why airlines have ordered 100's of them?
The Alaska-pilots and management functioned well, getting this plane down with a mayday and management did the only conceivable thing and ground the type for the time being.
This is all Boeing, indeed. They have a lot to answer for. Again. I prefer Airbus over Boeing, precisely because of this.
Have flown them several times and enjoy the trip every time
@@user-jm3om8jq9g Use ya brain, alot of under the table deals... Boeing is a very corrupt company
Airbus seems a lot safer than Boeing lately..
unfortunately, NOT
@@jbarrer2196 At least Airbus' aircraft architecture isn't a mix of taped up upgrades, but a thoughtout base which will accept new upgrades much more readily before certification. Still pilots flying both of course..
Her speaking skill is very clear.
DC to NY to Portland within 2-3 days; quite a week for NTSB
The plane flew from New York as well just the day before. Conspiracy theory.
It's a big country!
This is not a plug-style door, which cannot open outward. Plug was being used in this instance as a filler for the opening. To be clear, this is an outward opening door. Plug-style doors would not blow out/off like that. They have a beveled edge all around that is bigger than the "hole" Think of a wine bottle cork under pressure, inserted into the neck from the INSIDE, if that were possible.
What style door are they describing for this particular vehicle? Homendy states that door is operation from the exterior for the purposes of inspection, I'm curious what the proper term is.
100%, this isn't a Plug Type Door. It's a decommissioned emergency exit.
The press has been mixing it up all morning.
While it's true it's not an operational door, more of a "dummy" filling the hole for the door, it is still a plug type. You can tell by looking at the physical door stops in the photo.
It is a plug door, in that the dimensions of the door and/filler in this case are bigger than the manufactured opening in the fuselage. All doors on modern airliners are designed this way. Even if the doors open outward they still have mechanisms that engage to extend the door to be larger than the opening when closed and latched. It will take time to analyze the door and fuselage structure to ascertain what failed. Dont listen to the talking heads on the news looking for their 5 mins of fame to sensationalize this event. The only folks that have the accurate info are the NTSB investigators, the FAA, Boeing and the airline. That's it! True aviation professionals do not get on the news spouting opinions, because industry insiders understand that the info is all under wraps until the NTSB makes its findings public.
"Oh, those mid-cabin emergency exit doors aren't required? We'll just weld them shut, problem solved."
Do we have to wait the 3 years for you folks to issue the results like you do in the general aviation failures?
Everyone now afraid of 2 door plugs on the 737 Max, keep in mind that almost every cargo conversion (from passenger cabin to cargo cabin) has over 100 window plugs in it. 🤣 Rest easy...
I'll take four of those 737 door plugs for 50% off that you have on the scratch and dent sale rack.
Is it that flight’s first fly?
Gold standard for safety? Lol maam a window fell off the plane 😂
Exactly, she should inquire within any group of aircraft mechanics regarding the "gold standard".
A window!? More like the entire frame on that particular section of the fuselage. Everything including the window came apart.
Australia has a much better safety record
All you guys can do is issue recommendations?
That’s always how the NTSB has worked. It’s up to FAA to impose changes.
Correct. FAA could if evidene shows - penalize the manufacturer or operator. The point of NTSB is to be independent from the regulatory/enforcement arms of the executive branch. But their recs often lead to actions some of which can be recommended amendments to relevant regs etc.
Yes and for good reason, as there are many times when an investigation finds the regulatory to be part of the probable cause. A regulator cannot also effectively be a great investigator because there would be a conflict of interest when they need to inevitably investigate themselves. NTSB is the solution to that - they report directly to Congress and can investigate the any regulatory body under the DOT, such as the FAA. Once a recommnendation is made to a regulator, the regulator has a certain amount of days to make that change or if they deny it, they have to explain to the public why they denied it, etc and there is a separate process for keeping that transparent.
I used cards like those in grade school!
🤣
When your car hits 5 mph the doors lock themselves, if a passenger or stewardess oe person that cleans the plane, did not put the handle back into position, would the plane still be able to take off
The IIC, then there's the HNIC then she introduced the Ex-Spurts but the dribbled out
Holly ! even the NTSB went gay
They should have designed a new airframe instead of putting the 737 on steroids and turning it into a Frankenstein plane.
Whoever installed the plug did not tighten the bolts sufficiently and they worked themselves out under the pressurization over time until it finally popped. Very fortunate they were relatively low and got back on the ground without loss of life. Those bolts should have been safety wired, seems they are not.
I guess there’s no need to investigate, since you’ve already examined the aircraft, located and examined the door, compared your scientific findings to the manufacturer specifications and maintenance records, and can definitively state your expert opinion.
Pretty good work, especially considering the accident occurred barely 24 hours ago.
May be a widow issue sabotage or maintenance as well.time will tell.but these door plugs are not a new thing according to boeing.
I am thinking of something very different. Boeing has a lot of contractors, and the now exposed part clearly had an exitdoor in it, which was not intentional. Apparently the whole logistical process made a mistake. For timereasons, Boeingmanagers decided to use this wrong part of the fuselage anyway, and askes their engineers to simply paint over it.
What I don't get still is how many fuselageparts with these doors would have been built into the fuselage of the MAX9 series. Was this a one occasion time, or was this a series? Maybe that is why 171 have to be inspected.
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg plug door are not a new thing 737 NG has them as well with never a issue.BUT SPIRT??? THEY BEEN HAVING ISSUES..
How come Boeing allows them? Having a fake door in your fuselage?@@AndrewLarson-mq7xc
I’ll never fly any 737 again. Its entire history is full of design flaws and crashes. There was the rudder issue, deicing fluid problems, MCAS, now a brand new 737-9 is fckg falling apart
For what its worth, its Oregon 217, not I-217.
Impressive media briefing!
Very professional briefing.
? euh
Wonder how much Boeing has embrased DEI on the production line. I work in aviation maintenance and a lot of the "deverse" mechanics can't read the English documentation and don't understand why we use things like safety wire. Their mistakes are constantly cleaned up after by the naitive stock of my country but HR keeps hiring them by the bucket load.
Am I the only one that finds her attractive?
After this I wouldn't get in a Boeing 737 supermax simulator.
i will fly in a max any day over a airbus
Why not? How many years in aircraft maintenance do you have?
What a click-bait comment!
In simulators they simulate improbable events....you will be just fine!
@@davidharris2519 you're a silly Boeing fan boy you bozo
Ironic that the Chair of the NTSB is a student pilot. Were there no commercial pilots available for the position?
Our you trying to sell your team or find the proble
Stop talking until you know what this problem was.
FACTUALLY INCORRECT. It's a Boeing 737 MAX 9 not 737-9. Stop trying to suppress the fear and dissatisfaction with Boeing. Don't cover up their failures.
The Boeing 737 MAX 9 is referred to as the 737-9 by Boeing themselves so no, it's not factually incorrect. You can see this if you go to the Boeing website where they have a whole page dedicated to this incident called "737-9 Updates". But nice try in trying to set the record straight - just try harder next time.
What an absolutely unqualified person to be in this position!!!!!
First
Bro this is a press conference from the national transportation safety board
@@MarylandResidentit’s always neat to be first.
Real mature
me too!
@@FishOnIsMyHandle
You folks couldn’t plan a change of liquid in the blue room
Need to get back on your scooter
The Sec of Trans sucks at his job
Guess we could refer to this as "trickle down"...
They’ll never let him install a door again.
11 minutes in and it's a political stroke job, impressive
I’m just surprised they didn’t bring up the importance of diversity equity and inclusion 😂
The likely outcome of DEI hiring practices. The Competency crisis worsens
Stop it.
What she on about fbi first responders .pilots done there job to a T she loves talking
She thanked the cops and FBI, but the only thing they're doing is searching for the door plug. Then she says they need the public's help to find it. 🤣
This lady should not be in charge.
Why?
Why this opinion? She seems quite badass along with some media finesse....exactly the type of person we need for this job.
@@heatherpayne1995 She is a silly old corrupt Witch, I wouldn't trust the old cow
Maybe Jennifer just isn't a great public speaker but she doesn't give me much confidence that she knows what she's doing. Seems very unsure a lot of the time. I also would have loved to have heard a lot more from the lead investigator. He seems good and seems more appropriate to lead a press conference.
Unsure? May be for US watchers she should have gone to full speculation show. For me this is THE way to handle speculative questions from reporter - accident investigation is a long process, facts are gathered peace by peace, so tell the reporters before Q/A what is not known at this time.
Damaged plane will sit in a hangar and wait ... why hurry and speculate?
Fake Chinese parts again.
What a terrible speaker. she says that the US system is the safest in the world 9:00, which simply isn't true. Many ATC operators around the world think of us as a bunch of cowboy risk takers. Many blame the FAA for certifying the MAX in the first place, which had two major fatal flights due to the lack of FAA oversight in certifying the MCAS system. After saying that we are the "gold standard' of safety, she goes on 9:18 to talk about how lucky the passengers were in this case, I guess implying that this is somehow related to our safety controls. It was just dumb luck that the plug blew out at the low altitude of 16,000 ft and that no one was sitting in that row next to the window. Otherwise the FAA would be trying to explain again how they certified the MAX with a blowout panel that blew out with such a low pressure differential. Lucky for the FAA, not the flying public.