dude. I love watching you guys play. both of you are making plays now, I think heiz has improved a good amount from this climb together. i0ki wtf man, dodging a malphite ult that started IN FOG OF WAR. So fucking satisfying to watch you make the plays we all dream of being able to make. and you are so freakin smart, like when you asked "whats the worst case scenario?" I was still thinking about it when you said thresh lantern into malph ult...and I was like "ohhhhhh" yeah that would be. Just wow. I love being consistently surprised and impressed by i0ki, both in and out of the game.
@@zbeater4656 I will always give compliments and talk people up when they do amazing things. I don't know i0ki personally, but I watch their content every day, and it truly brings me joy. I don't just stay silent about that. I truly appreciate it, I am thankful for it
There is Z axis, but weirdly it's only in the river, so if you're in the river and shooting a skill shot at someone outside of it, their hitbox will not be exactly where you think it is.
This season has taught me alot of fundamentals that I didn't even think about, I play top lane and mid so would be nice to see more variation then just bot lanes
Senna and Rengar while you still can please Rengar after learning his ult can jump off the Senna shroud like its a bush. No one will see it coming. Its almost like a free ult for Rengar anytime that Senna shroud is up.
The other combo I'd love to see is Sion and Kalista, If you Kalista ult Sion as he ults in, it'll pick him up as soon as his charge ends, and then he can double knockup because the Kalista ult animation time will match their knockup time, Its like the ultimate yo-yo.
I have two requests. I'd like to see a Malzahar bot lane. Secondly, I've played intermittently since 2012. I just came back to the game and the items are... so much. Can you explain a few like you did Black Cleaver on Senna? That was very helpful. Enjoy this very much. Thank you.
I play the game a lot, and as the face of Senna I go out of my way to keep my finger on the pulse of new Senna tech. I'm constantly checking out popular Senna builds on other servers, trying out new Senna builds every patch, etc etc
why are the W/L (13/3, and then when youre in gold its 23/1) and different in riot client and your stream? 28:15 i mean. is it a riot bug or maybe a different climb?
How about heimerdinger adc + singed support? Loads of fun in low elo, and off meta so educational with respect of playing for fun. Trust me, supper surprisingly effective. I'm just not goid enough to close out how oppresive and defensive it is, I wana see people who know how to play close out a game with the comp.
Love the climb series. Can u try pantheon supp and seraphine adc .it has a very good winrate .pantheon w and seraphine e is atleast 3 sec stun .its op give it a try ❤
Your explanation of the Dunning-Kruger effect is so inaccurate that it ironically serves as an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect itself 🤣Love your videos. keep them coming
It's just coded to not detonate when it "bounces". There is no real z-axis when it comes to gameplay. Things that jump aren't actually jumping but rather sliding
If both waves are equal, they meet in the middle, thats where almost all the minions will die. If you have up to 3 more minions than your opponent it will push towards them, the closer it meets the enemies wave to their tower the slower the push will be When you have 4 more minions, than your opponent, if it meets their wave halfway between the midpoint and their tower, it will freeze in place. The reinforcements for both sides will arrive in a way that it keeps the wave perpetually in that spot. It can also be done with 1 cannon minion instead of 4 regular minions. To freeze a wave, you catch the enemies minions before they enter your tower range, you tank their damage while pulling them back so they meet your wave just outside of your tower range, then you only last hit and their minions will clear yours and keep meeting at that same spot. To break the freeze, you need to clear the enemies wave and get your minions to reach the tower. You will typically want jungle intervention for this, unless you have reliable long range wave clear. If your lane gets frozen, look for somewhere to make a play on the map. This forces the enemy to either give up the freeze and push, or to give up a numbers advantage in a fight. This is why its important before you back to buy to push the wave in. Otherwise the enemy team gets a chance to catch your minions and pull off a freeze. That's about the basics of it.
If you really want to learn some wave management tips, I'd recommend just watching a couple of SRO videos. Dude narrates his wave management techniques intentionally in almost every video, so if you just watch the first 10-ish minutes of a few of them you'll pick up all the key concepts and you can watch how he does it on a variety of champions. I love SRO, but his style isn't for everyone. The dude can't last hit a cannon for his life, has medium mechanical skill, decent macro skill and matchup knowledge, but primarily wins his lanes through his stellar wave management.
Sorry for even more over-explanation but think of this flow chart: After a fight, check the waves minions roughly even (# and hp) don't touch the wave your minions weaker don't touch the wave your minions stronger? Do they have anyone that is missing or can respond to you? No? Push the wave in Yes? don't touch the wave If the wave is frozen against you Are there any neutral objectives? Go to them Are any of the enemies over extended? Go to them Is your jungler positioned near your lane? Clear the freeze, let them know to keep an eye on your lane (hover you) There is no point to go to a frozen lane until you can guarantee clear the freeze. The price to maintain a freeze is one player on your team. If your enemy is paying that price, your job is to make it a price they can't afford by influencing the rest of the map. If the player that was freezing leaves to respond to an objective, you need to clear the freeze before you meet them at said objective, otherwise you lose more than they do regardless of how the fight goes.
Yes and no, its not a true z-axis but a shift in the x-y axis. It warps the straight line of the skillshot. If it was a true z axis then you wouldn't be able to land a Lux q on anyone in the river because you fired it from the side. Also if you threw a skillshot from the river it would go into the ground.
Bro some people legit need to be doing anything but playing League of Legends. This is the easiest free win of his entire life and he is 100% convinced he's still a victim. Dunning Kreuger Effect.
How long will we watch? As long as you’ll play. Are we enjoying it? That’s why I spend my first hour of every morning with your voice in my ear. What do I want to see? MF ult through a Zoe sleep bubble. Challenge yourself🎉
the dunning kruger effect can be explained how i0ki did, but in general its about how someone can only understand something as deeply as their knowledge/privilege context goes. Every tiny aspect of life is a separate skill, and someone only has skill expression within that tiny aspect, if they have some sort of context for that skill. Being exposed to the skill from a source that is deemed safe, so they learn a little about it... The more underprivileged the person, the less context they will have to understand something/ANYTHING. Its part of how our brains process the world around us. Knowledge is power. It allows the opportunity of choice. Of an informed decision. It is a key part in controlling a population, restricting knowledge/education, and access to privileges. How can someone ever learn they are a slave that the ruling class exploits when all they know is working a lot and purchasing a bunch of things for convenience, no health care, low quality of life, little understanding of the world around them. No time to think, no time to learn, no time to make good decisions, so people will keep playing into the greedy hands of the ruling class...believing the false narrative that they feed us through many different avenues. fucking tragic.
maybe before the games become too hard you can do 2 games where ioki and heinz take turns playing with very high sensativity and q w e swaped around to show us how to play when your adc/support is an idiot. XD love the series best of luck. LG Dirt take 2
@@iokiandheiz3535 I thought at one point they weren't active in ranked, then they turned them on but they only gave a cosmetic buff and the effects were only active in normals. Apparently now the lore quests have their effects in ranked as well, that's nuts.
If you're happy and you know it, and you really wanna show it, if you're happy and you know it, SHOVE YOUR WAVE
Heiz - “What are they doing?”
ioki - “Their best” 😂
dude. I love watching you guys play.
both of you are making plays now, I think heiz has improved a good amount from this climb together.
i0ki wtf man, dodging a malphite ult that started IN FOG OF WAR. So fucking satisfying to watch you make the plays we all dream of being able to make. and you are so freakin smart, like when you asked "whats the worst case scenario?" I was still thinking about it when you said thresh lantern into malph ult...and I was like "ohhhhhh" yeah that would be. Just wow.
I love being consistently surprised and impressed by i0ki, both in and out of the game.
The glazing is nuts. Not wrong but still xD
@@zbeater4656 I will always give compliments and talk people up when they do amazing things. I don't know i0ki personally, but I watch their content every day, and it truly brings me joy. I don't just stay silent about that. I truly appreciate it, I am thankful for it
@@mm6705 yeah I like iokis content as well. Mix of funny and serious. Above all else we need to throw him in a volcano :)
i love how ioki just stares longingly at heiz as he dives and then is silent like a dissappointed father
Okay that flash at 21:52 was actually kind of nutty
Best reflexes NA proven scientifically
There is Z axis, but weirdly it's only in the river, so if you're in the river and shooting a skill shot at someone outside of it, their hitbox will not be exactly where you think it is.
god damn, I didnt even figure out what the projectile was, and i0ki flashes anivia q coming out of a wall. Just awesome
GSA baby
hey I'll never blame someone for calling out a smurf account lol, i0ki ribbing Heiz is a bonus
I have not played league for years but still watch your videos and the for fun squad channel.
Love from Finland
Love watching this educational content 🙏so entertaining and and just enjoyable to learn more about the game, strategies, and champions. Thanks much!!
Cait & Vi: Get 1 extra gold when they kill a champion together🤪senna: gets 40 thresh souls for killing thresh
Really love this series! I'm in for the long haul! Super happy that you guys are putting out videos so regularly. Great content!
The fact that YOU'RE super happy makes US super happy
ioki: this drag is so worth
also ioki: lets catch mid tristana 😂😂
This season has taught me alot of fundamentals that I didn't even think about, I play top lane and mid so would be nice to see more variation then just bot lanes
Hadn’t seen one of your videos in a while and I already miss the “welcome back to another Arena tuber” intro😂😂
One day we will roll our R's together again someday 🙏
@@i0kiVids LFG💪🏻
Can Ioki teach us how to play the big guy with the shield? I forget his name but he's a really powerful support. Starts with a B.
No.
Senna and Rengar while you still can please
Rengar after learning his ult can jump off the Senna shroud like its a bush. No one will see it coming. Its almost like a free ult for Rengar anytime that Senna shroud is up.
The other combo I'd love to see is Sion and Kalista, If you Kalista ult Sion as he ults in, it'll pick him up as soon as his charge ends, and then he can double knockup because the Kalista ult animation time will match their knockup time, Its like the ultimate yo-yo.
I have two requests. I'd like to see a Malzahar bot lane. Secondly, I've played intermittently since 2012. I just came back to the game and the items are... so much. Can you explain a few like you did Black Cleaver on Senna? That was very helpful. Enjoy this very much. Thank you.
I have a question for mr. ioki, how do you find out about those niche interaction like senna autos apply double cleaver procs or aery apply cleaver?
I play the game a lot, and as the face of Senna I go out of my way to keep my finger on the pulse of new Senna tech. I'm constantly checking out popular Senna builds on other servers, trying out new Senna builds every patch, etc etc
Love the climb!
It loves you back, happy to have you along for the whole ride!
Id really like to see you guys play something that will counter your opponent botlane and how to pick that.
Please try Nila/sejuani melee adc can take advantage of sej’s passive
I would love to see a Singed + Ivern bot duo
I would love a Xin/Pantheon bot lane. Xin plays like a melee adc and the combo damage is massive.
Plus free sustain
38:11 some Romeo and Juliet ahh shii going on here. 🤣
To i0ki would be a great teacher no wonder he does coaching
You know you want to play Kog’maw and support Rammus against a physical heavy team. 😁👍
who do you ban when u play senna?
why are the W/L (13/3, and then when youre in gold its 23/1) and different in riot client and your stream? 28:15 i mean. is it a riot bug or maybe a different climb?
Why does it feel like ioki is doing live coaching for Heiz?
I didn't say it.
Zigs Veigar would be cool. There’s some good interactions with cage and using zigs W to knock to stun into everything you have. CORCLE IF DEATH
I've always wanted to see you guys play MF + Orianna!
The two hottest champs in the game!
How about heimerdinger adc + singed support? Loads of fun in low elo, and off meta so educational with respect of playing for fun. Trust me, supper surprisingly effective. I'm just not goid enough to close out how oppresive and defensive it is, I wana see people who know how to play close out a game with the comp.
Would like to see off meta supports: Illaoi, Zoe or Nunu
Love the climb series. Can u try pantheon supp and seraphine adc .it has a very good winrate .pantheon w and seraphine e is atleast 3 sec stun .its op give it a try ❤
The only z axis change i know of in the game is terrain change between river and lanes/jungle
56:36 zyra q is parallel ❗❗ me thinbks 🤪straight line skillshots like zyra E are perpendicular 🥀
Perpendicular ye
Still looking for a Nilah game! With Taric ideally, but there are other great options.
Brand & Amumu pretty please 🙏 good stuns for brand combos, engage and peel for late game
I've been subbed for years and still have no idea how tf you guys don't have a plaque yet!?
Tell your homies to subscribe! :P
Came for TF support. Stayed for Senna
Wait Ioki, are you saying we shouldn‘t take scorch?! Really? First time I‘m hearing about this 😂😂❤
AND YET I STILL SEE COACHING CLIENTS AND FANS OF MINE RUNNING SCORCH!!!! IT'S INSANE!!!
@@iokiandheiz3535 #ScortchSupremacy lol
Would love to see ekko support, maybe with Samira? All the ekkos support seen have been OTP ekkos, rather than supports
How about a Sylas coaching session?
Your explanation of the Dunning-Kruger effect is so inaccurate that it ironically serves as an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect itself 🤣Love your videos. keep them coming
What are you talking about? what iOki said fits perfectly within the Dunning-Kruger model
If there's no z axis, how does ziggs q bounce over things.
It's just coded to not detonate when it "bounces". There is no real z-axis when it comes to gameplay. Things that jump aren't actually jumping but rather sliding
Neat! Thanks for the gift of knowledge!
Ziggy support!!!
Can you explain wave menagement? Cause i got destroyed by a bot witch had her wave frozen for 20 min got no idea how thats possible...😢😅
If both waves are equal, they meet in the middle, thats where almost all the minions will die.
If you have up to 3 more minions than your opponent it will push towards them, the closer it meets the enemies wave to their tower the slower the push will be
When you have 4 more minions, than your opponent, if it meets their wave halfway between the midpoint and their tower, it will freeze in place. The reinforcements for both sides will arrive in a way that it keeps the wave perpetually in that spot. It can also be done with 1 cannon minion instead of 4 regular minions.
To freeze a wave, you catch the enemies minions before they enter your tower range, you tank their damage while pulling them back so they meet your wave just outside of your tower range, then you only last hit and their minions will clear yours and keep meeting at that same spot. To break the freeze, you need to clear the enemies wave and get your minions to reach the tower. You will typically want jungle intervention for this, unless you have reliable long range wave clear. If your lane gets frozen, look for somewhere to make a play on the map. This forces the enemy to either give up the freeze and push, or to give up a numbers advantage in a fight.
This is why its important before you back to buy to push the wave in. Otherwise the enemy team gets a chance to catch your minions and pull off a freeze. That's about the basics of it.
If you really want to learn some wave management tips, I'd recommend just watching a couple of SRO videos. Dude narrates his wave management techniques intentionally in almost every video, so if you just watch the first 10-ish minutes of a few of them you'll pick up all the key concepts and you can watch how he does it on a variety of champions.
I love SRO, but his style isn't for everyone. The dude can't last hit a cannon for his life, has medium mechanical skill, decent macro skill and matchup knowledge, but primarily wins his lanes through his stellar wave management.
Sorry for even more over-explanation but think of this flow chart:
After a fight, check the waves
minions roughly even (# and hp) don't touch the wave
your minions weaker don't touch the wave
your minions stronger? Do they have anyone that is missing or can respond to you?
No? Push the wave in
Yes? don't touch the wave
If the wave is frozen against you
Are there any neutral objectives? Go to them
Are any of the enemies over extended? Go to them
Is your jungler positioned near your lane? Clear the freeze, let them know to keep an eye on your lane (hover you)
There is no point to go to a frozen lane until you can guarantee clear the freeze. The price to maintain a freeze is one player on your team. If your enemy is paying that price, your job is to make it a price they can't afford by influencing the rest of the map. If the player that was freezing leaves to respond to an objective, you need to clear the freeze before you meet them at said objective, otherwise you lose more than they do regardless of how the fight goes.
7:50 you said there is no z axis, or "height" in this game, but isn't river height a thing that exists for whatever reason?
Yes and no, its not a true z-axis but a shift in the x-y axis. It warps the straight line of the skillshot. If it was a true z axis then you wouldn't be able to land a Lux q on anyone in the river because you fired it from the side. Also if you threw a skillshot from the river it would go into the ground.
@@haydenhenderson19 I see, thanks
in my opinion, max you can wait in rift is 50 gold and in Abyss the max is 100
This sounds about right in terms of efficiency.
Darius support let’s gooooo. HOB
Why was that Sylas so goddamn pressed lmao
Bro some people legit need to be doing anything but playing League of Legends. This is the easiest free win of his entire life and he is 100% convinced he's still a victim. Dunning Kreuger Effect.
@@iokiandheiz3535 For real. I don't have fun playing league of legends so I don't play it. Crazy how hard that can be for some folk.
If you can manage to make Bel’Veth work in either role, I will never not watch another video.
How long will we watch? As long as you’ll play.
Are we enjoying it? That’s why I spend my first hour of every morning with your voice in my ear.
What do I want to see? MF ult through a Zoe sleep bubble. Challenge yourself🎉
Annie and Nautilus. Bioshock botlane.
Man what a throwback
@@iokiandheiz3535 lol I need it.
the dunning kruger effect can be explained how i0ki did, but in general its about how someone can only understand something as deeply as their knowledge/privilege context goes. Every tiny aspect of life is a separate skill, and someone only has skill expression within that tiny aspect, if they have some sort of context for that skill. Being exposed to the skill from a source that is deemed safe, so they learn a little about it...
The more underprivileged the person, the less context they will have to understand something/ANYTHING. Its part of how our brains process the world around us. Knowledge is power. It allows the opportunity of choice. Of an informed decision.
It is a key part in controlling a population, restricting knowledge/education, and access to privileges. How can someone ever learn they are a slave that the ruling class exploits when all they know is working a lot and purchasing a bunch of things for convenience, no health care, low quality of life, little understanding of the world around them. No time to think, no time to learn, no time to make good decisions, so people will keep playing into the greedy hands of the ruling class...believing the false narrative that they feed us through many different avenues.
fucking tragic.
Extremely well articulated post ^
There is Veigar, wish it would have been with alistar
You guys should put your win/lose somewhere in these vids
They usually do when its a Heiz pov
2nd vid actually has win/lose
W24-1L
you very much dont get 20% of his souls
What do you get anyway?
Yeaaah bbboy
maybe before the games become too hard you can do 2 games where ioki and heinz take turns playing with very high sensativity and q w e swaped around to show us how to play when your adc/support is an idiot. XD love the series best of luck.
LG Dirt take 2
Heinz. The ketchup man
@@sythodius his champion pool has 80 different varieties
48:13 u walked back to lane with 1000 gold! Why?
Please swain and teemo the rework combo
Play swain and blitz bot!!
Please play Rengar mid
Ziggs support
Chogath adc please
25:53 Free 30 Ap and Armor.
That is an unreal amount of free stats for a lore-driven quest. Crazy that it's active in ranked!
@@iokiandheiz3535 I thought at one point they weren't active in ranked, then they turned them on but they only gave a cosmetic buff and the effects were only active in normals. Apparently now the lore quests have their effects in ranked as well, that's nuts.
Players like Sylas Zzz
Such losers man.