His decision at Hungary probably cost him a championship. Alonso's racing ability is prodigious, but like the archetypal 'troubled prodigy' from any film, his emotional intelligence is his weakness. Burned many bridges and made his own life harder over the years. There's more to success than just the driving, which is something Hamilton always understood.
The penalty to Alonso in Hungary was the biggest joke in F1 history. He would have won the championship otherwise. And it was a relatively poor season from Alonso possibly due to the tyre change. Great video. Keep it up!
It is so interesting to see a brit talk about this and actually defend Alonso, these are points we make when talking about 2007, maybe it's copium, maybe it's reality. There are also funny segments, when you mention conventional wisdom when refering to who is to blame, it is british conventional wisdom, not spanish, I can guarantee you that. The number one reason being Lewis Hamilton himself is ironicly not the biggest one for us I feel, but fair enough, it's all a combination of factors in the end
@@Cameron-Cc It maybe is, again, we usually don't talk too much about his level that Season i feel like. I believe the consensus here is that we acknowledge he was amazing, only radicals will tell you that the only reason he was close was because of everything else. Having said that, he only managed to tie Alonso, despite everything else that you mentioned in the video, therefore Lewis wasn't better, so we don't have to think about it too much, that's generally our way of thinking (plus Alonso would be ahead with the current point system, old system merchants smh). That way, we feel a bit safer, we "keep our pride" somehow, despite what the results, and everyone else sais. Since that year, we have become quite rebellious, and defensive about what happened, and in general quite frankly, it was the year that the beef started between our fanbases and medias. Since we don't control the narrative internationally, unlike the british media, which is literally the same as the mainstream f1 media, it is tough to make our thoughts be known and respected, we have our own opinions about events, but there are no crossovers between our fanbases on social media. So thanks, yet again, for putting up this video, its opinions are probably a shock for other f1 fans, but for us spaniards, is almost the regular consensus
There is one thing that many forget to mention. Alonso went to a copletely diferent team, car and tyres. It was a 180 in terms of culture. The car was a 180 of sort to the Renault. And then the tyres... Alonso since 2007 is unable to drive way he did in Renault because it would shred the rubber. Some of the people back then at McL were actually concerned about Alo adapting to the car and new tyres. You can actually compera his driving from 2006 and 2007. You can see they are nothing alike.
Honestly the fact he managed same points says enough... 99% of the drivers would crack under that same pressure. Fernando Alonso is a machine and at the age of 42 after a break of 2 years confirms it. What a beast!
Saying that Alonso lost to a Ham rookie is oversimplifying, penalties, spaygate.... Lewis Hamilton probably knew the car better at that time, there were many hours of testing. I think that even with the team against them, that they would get the same amount of points and they will both be 1 point away from winning the Kimi championship is simply a macabre and poetic joke in the history of F1. Not even Drive to survive would have had so much imagination. Two of the best drivers in history, that 17 years later they are still competing wheel to wheel and we don't know how to say if their prime has already passed is exceptional
Isn’t it exactly the same for Räikkönen that year who won the championship? First year from McLaren to Ferrari, from Michelin to Bridgestone, from a car that was built for him to a car that was built for Schumi and Massa. And for the large part of the season, Ferrari was the second fastest car after McLaren. And there was bad luck with Räikkönen too, electrical problems at Spain, Japan GP with tyre problems etc.
@@jonihumaloja8702 not really no, because while kimi did indeed have a car that quite different, he still had the core benefit of the cars driving style suiting gimme, as his and the now departure Schumacher had quite similar driving styles to almost the very t, the McLaren mp4/22 matched Kimi driving style quite well that hamiltons own driving style resonated with that much than Alonso, that and Kimi had a solid no. 1 status unlike Alonso
Hamilton had a great season but if you are fair and look back at the season, you see that McLaren clearly favored Hamilton. Just what happened in Hungary was the biggest proof of the bias. When Hamilton refused to comply with the qualifying process that HE had agreed to with the team, Alonso had to take matters into his hand to get fair treatment and go out on track in the agreed upon order where he would get the last quali run. Then the team and Ron Dennis screwed him with the stewards and he went from pole to a 5 place grid penalty. That was the difference in the championship. Fernando wins the championship easily if he keeps pole. The FIA saw the unfair treatment and had to have representatives in the McLaren garage to ensure fair treatment for Alonso at the last race of the year. If they thought all was fair, the FIA could have denied the request and stayed out of the McLaren garage.
You cant really blame Mclaren for Alonsos DNF in Japan, or his embarassing performance in Canada, or his stupid mistakes in Spain, Hungary etc... Hamilton was unluckier that year as well..
@@kj48tigerExcept Hungary, which is 50/50, it wasn’t really his fault. Heidfeld and Hamilton remain the biggest douchebags in 2007. Also the fact that he got Toro rosso and Williams now and then crashing into him and significantly damaging his car. Can’t really blame him for his car being a dog
Everyone knows that both McLaren and Mercedes opted for Hamilton, sabotaging Alonso's car in multiple races, but with all that his own team did to him, he was just one point away from being world champion in 2007, tying with Louise in the second. position with 109 points.
Agree on all add 1 more , throughout the year Hamilton profited on Alonso’s setups and telemetry, on the other side in the last part of the championship Alonso wasn’t sure if the pressure on his tyres was correct along with other setups , last race of the year FIA steward's on Maclaren box to make sure all was kosher on his car … Alonso was tilted by team and clearly underestimated Hamilton .
It's an arbitrary loss, decided by an arbitrary ruling that says more higher positions are worth more than fewer lower positions. If we went by average race finish position, Alonso would beat Hamilton. But for all intents and purposes they were tied that season.
Both of them have got a lot better as drivers since 2007. Hamilton has better one lap pace, but in terms of racing on Sundays, I don’t think there is any difference between the two of them, although Alonso probably has better racecraft
Alonso had built his experience on Michelin tyres. Hamilton benefitted from unlimited testing. McLaren underestimated how good Lewis was but Alonso was at a disadvantage with the car.
Great video, youre a great presenter. I think it's so hard to differentiate between Alonso and Hamilton, they really both were a class above anyone else on the grid at that time. It's a shame we didnt get to see multiple seasons of them fighting like we did with Lewis and Nico. Alonso deserved far more from his career than he ever got, but there's a sliver of truth to the idea he didn't help himself either
I tell you what i love the livestreams and the shakedowns because it is how i ingest the sport and i like the cut of your jib…but THIS…..bruv these videos are your niche! You are killing these type of videos. Big up, respect, and all dem tings dere. 🔥🔥🔥
Oh my goodness that I had to watch twice brilliant work Cameron. You have me wanting more. I watched it again believing that I had missed something because I just couldn’t believe it was over. My brother you are the class of the field. 876 love fam.
McLaren betrayed him mid season. The entire FIA was in on it. I remember a crane pulling Hamilton first out of the gravel with 6 other cars trapped. It was disgustingly obvious
for fernando to perform the way he did, in that team, who clearly clearly backed hamilton, it's pretty amazing. however, it's the only argument a hamilton fan can cling to.
@@Wonderkid44 Ron Dennis "We weren't racing Kimi, we were basically racing Fernando." Yet, he did not loose. Amazing. Racing against his own team manager and he manages not to be outscored. GOAT.
I might not always agree with you. But, the storytelling, the editing (sound and video) the b-roll and the evident effort behind this production. I got to say… keep going.
FIA got lucky, because IF a Mclaren driver won the WDC, they had to DQ him and crown Kimi by default. That year's scandal was actually insane. So at the end of the day it didn't matter if Alonso beat Hamilton or not, since if protocol was followed, both should have been DQed from the 2007 world championship.
I've always wondered about this. Did FIA get lucky or.... was it somehow arranged. The points advantage Lewis had with two races to go seemed insurmountable.
@@pancon5 They reallyy got lucky Kimi won, because let's face it, nobody cares about the constructor's championship. That's why they only DQed Mclared from it, but left the points of Alonso and Hamilton stand. However, there is no doubt Ferrari would have rained hellfire on FIA, if a Mclared driver won the WDC and they let it stand.
From Dennis point of view he couldn't have handled it any worse. He had the two best drivers of the grid. Alonso didn't want a strong teammate and surely would have left anyway after 2007. Surely to get the best overall result Alonso is your number 1 for 2007. At least after Monaco a desicion should have been made on that aspect.
A very good vid mate. I have to take a bit of an issue with your comment @8:47 regarding 'outrageously aggressive but with none of the down side of the clumsiness you'd expect to see from a newbie'. He had his fair share...
@@Cameron-Cc Yep quite possibly. His first two years were something to behold for sure. Used to be a massive fan of Lewis in those days. His dedication and focus was great.
The truth is the McLaren was the best car, any well prepared rookie with ambition would have ended top3 at least. Alonso got "diminished" by his own team, and eventually McLaren lost the WDC. Stupid managment and a british press narrative lie praying Hamilton was better than Alonso.
3:40 I've always thought it unfathomable that he went back to McLaren in '15 (?) after threatening to tear them down in '07. 😁 Unbelievable season, rookie Lewis was leading for almost its entirety, nice retrospective!
@@alimantado373Yeah sure. He carried Ferrari on his back for nearly 5 years and practically was going to give them 2 championships if not for their stupid mistakes. I’m sure nobody wanted a championship winning driver with such precision. Mercedes and RB was open to hiring him, so 2015 was his mistake
@@corvettesareneat1274 Every WDC who came from another team carried Ferrari... and it didnt start at Lauda, or Alonso. Ferraris greatest champion is Ascari because he was born a nd bred Italian and Ferrari through & through. Alonso has been his own worst enemy in his career. His radio talk and media hardly sounded like him supporting the team.
@@alimantado373 That quite literally is not true. In the early days ferrari literally built championship winning cars, and no way was Ascari the best ferrari champion just, because he was Italian. Lauda was the first guy to ''carry'' ferrari on his back, then Jean Alesi, Gerhard Berger, Prost, Mansell, Schumacher and finally Alonso. Alonso had bad luck, I mean he had made mistakes, but most of them weren't exactly his own fault. And how can you support ferrari when they screw you up like they did with him. Let me remind you 2010 and 2012, literally if it was fair he won those years
"I don't think Fernando's emotions are fully under control in the car or out of the car at the moment" -Martin Brundle during the 7th race of the season. Lewis surely got into Nandos head very early
There is a huge difference between Alonso and others...included Hamilton. Alonso is able to push and to be far beyond the car performance, others not. Mclaren. Mclaren stole him a championship in 2007, nowadays is possible to see something similar in Red Bull, Sergio Perez car is always the one that got problems.... always.
Wrong tyre pressure in fuji speed ways to sabotage alonso to win wdc... Then in Hungary used tyre 🤣🤣🤣,, in Canada wrong set up given by team, in China no updates parts.. All updates for Lewis car🤣
excelent video. I like both drivers. What's also interesting to me is what their relationship is like now as both have publically praised one another recently
The GOAT for me, Alonso was just spectacular between 2003-2014. Such a shame he killed his career going to McLaren again. Why???? When even Hamilton himself knew he needed to get out, not to mention how Kimi, Montoya, Alonso before and Prost were all desperate to leave, he decided to join again.
Alonso is to blame. He had a meltdown and burned his bridges with the team. Mclaren had Alonso in the favoured position with team strategy. Mclaren also fueled Lewis heavier during the first half of the season hence the qualifying results being closer than they should have been. Once Alonso threatened the team it was game on with equal fuel loads. Lewis was hitting purple sectors all day. Lewis went into the penultimate race that being shanghai with 12 point lead and would have been even bigger if he had finished the race. Let that sink in for awhile, 12 point lead with more points to come. Unfortunately lewis retired in shanghai with a gear box issue in brazil took away all that could have been, making the fight with alonso look closer than it should have been. Dont get me wrong, i like alonso and hes one of the best. And for all the people talking about Lewis having experience with the tyres, well alonso didnt see that as an advantage when he spoke to Ron totally overlooking lewis. Plus he had thr advantage of being in an F1 car for years compared to the rookie.
Mclaren favoured Lulu the entire season, and we’re proven to be sharing Alonso’s Telemetry Data with Lulu. Alonso tested this by driving worse in practise to see if it would effect Lulu’s driving negatively and it did. So Fernando with the whole team on Lewis’s side still managed to equal him on points.
Hamilton had tested for mclaren already and therefore been involved in the development of the '07 car, he also wasn't a 'rookie' in the modern sense as he had also tested extensively pre-season, while they now get a day of testing before the first race. Alonso's reaction was entirely logical at the time; imagine you are the number 1 driver on the grid and (at the time) some random noob comes in and starts winning, you're going to assume something dodgy with the team because it doesn't make sense. It's a shame we didn't get to see a real rivalry over 2-3 seasons together, or even between top teams. They're were the 2 best drivers for 10+ years and we only got one season...
No.1 reason you, have 2 WDC and you want to chase the Money! Plus one of the two driver is duplicitous but very talented. He likes the role of villian as he has said! Flavio inflence has tainted the guy😂 I blame Briatore!
The funny thing is that with the current point system Fernando would have scored more points than Lewis. ALO 269-267 Hamilton, I made maths and you can also search for it on the internet... I need chapter two of these two Goats... They tied on points, on wins (4), on podiums (12). Lewis made more poles: 5-3 Fernando scored more fastest laps: 4-2 Qualy: Alonso 8-9 Hamilton Race: Alonso 10-7 Hamilton
Alonso lost for the very same season Rosberg quit, Valterri needed therapy, and George is beginning to find out - pressure. Pressure exerted by prodigal talent. The man's irrepressible. Blessed with a well, no ocean of talent beyond even his reckoning. Vettel succumbed to that pressure, max too were it not for [the one we shall not name] altering the written regulation aka human error.
Tbh, Max didn't fumbled under pressure (although he was very aggressive, whom i suspect his father and Marko to be responsible for that), Lewis and Merc were just flawless in the last stages of 2021, its the best i've ever seen them perform operationally. Also, i overall think Max was perhaps the better driver in 2021, if we look at the season, he made fewer mistakes.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382yes Max had more poles and wins. Mercedes had a great tactic with their engine in combination with the amazing talent Hamilton is that's gold. Max was so aggressive because he had no choice, that was his only chance to beat them in the second half. But like you said if anything Max was more consistent and made less mistakes over the whole season. For a 23 year old that's mighty impressive, just like Hamilton who was god tier against Alonso.
This is absurd entirely. ham is good, but could not beat Max on equal grounds. 21 ham had a far superior car, the benefit of the stuards favouring him, getting away with clear penalties and he took out his rival. If the rules applied Max would have won it prior to the last race.
Even as someone who believes the circumstances favored Lewis in 2007, i'm appalled at how many people accuses McLaren of ruining Fernando's season when it was pretty much the other way around! Alonso had one of the most pathetic performances by any reigning world champion i've ever seen in Canada, got schooled by Heidfeld in an inferior car in both Bahrain and France, started to throw his team under the bus in the medias then proceeds to blackmail Ron Dennis and immune himself in the spygate by witnessing against them (despite he very much benefited from that industrial spying).
@@matz1974 Ciaron is British, i'm Belgian. It's funny how auto-persuation can make people invent stuff, if you manage to check the IP, you're gonna notice we aren't from the same country.
The reason Alonso had a poor 2007 season is because for once in his life he actually had a good teammate. Put Hamilton alongside him today and he will have another poor season to add to that
Uma coisa que eu acho engraçado sobre o spygate é que o pessoal arranjou uma maneira de culpar o Alonso pela espionagem da McLaren. Ao invés de ficarem revoltados com a atitude da McLaren, a mídia tentou transformar o Alonso no vilão da historia. A mídia britânica é péssima. Uma das piores do mundo.
Lo que yo recuerdo que se habló en aquella temporada, es 1ºque compartían con Hamilton la telemetría de Alonso. Aunque seas un novato si tienes acceso a los datos de un Bicampeón con el mismo coche pienso que es una gran ventaja, es tener a tu jefe trabajando para tí. 2ºComo dices en el video en Mónaco un 1º y 2º puesto para el equipo no debes dejar que un novato lo desperdicie, ¿Era culpa de Alonso clasificar por delante de Hamilton? pues lógico que no le dejen estropear la carrera. además, ¿Crees que algún piloto del mundo en Mónaco con el mismo coche adelantaría a Alonso? 3º Se establecieron unas normas de clasificación, cada piloto en un GP cerraría la clasificación, y Hamilton no lo cumplía queriendo así ser favorecido, hay que tener encuenta, que un novato no cumplia las normas de equipo frente a un bicampeón... es lógico que Alonso no aceptara se perjudicado. 4º A Alonso en Hungría, se dijo que para la última vuelta de clasificación el equipo le puso neumáticos usados, aun así hizo la pole. Si no le hubieran quitado la pole y sancionado, por defenderse de algo injusto, (le tocaba dar la última vuelta a él) hubiera ganado el mundial independientemente de lo que hiciera Hamilton, sin embargo, Hamilton no ganó por errores propios y lógicos en un novato. 5ºTodos vimos a Ron Denis enfadado por quedar 1º Alonso y 2ºHamilton en Hungría a pesar de que Hamilton incumplia las normas. Le rovaron el mundial a Alonso y MClaren se quedó sin campeonato. Tenían que haber dejado trabajar a Alonso que para eso le contrataron y le pagaron. Hamilton ha demostrado después lo gran piloto que es, pero aquel año no le tocaba..... y de hecho aun sancionando a Alonso y siendo claramente favorecido por Ron Denis no ganó ese año. Alonso no es el mejor novato de la F1 por que debutó con Minardi y no tenía un padrino como Ron Denis.... Briatore supo ver lo que tenía y le sacó partido.
If Hamilton wouldn't of completely bottled the end of the season and won that title (he was the best driver that year....im not flexible on this) it wouldve been the greatest thing ive ever seen in sports. Kicking his two-time REIGNING world champion's ass in a sport that is about as unkind to rookies as any can be. Alonso has never been the same. Hamilton took his soul!
@slartibartfast2649 I don't think it's quite the same. What took a chunk out of lewis wasn't max. Lewis lives for wheel 2 wheel racing no matter how tough it gets. He could be way behind in the points through DNFs and bounce back. We saw that many times with him and Nico. Lewis is battle hardened, so I don't think Max plays a part with how lewis felt. Lewis said it best ... "They manipulated the race" ... What got to lewis was how the FIA and Masi had total disregard for fair racing and boldly bringing the sport into dispute right before our eyes. That's what took a chunk of soul out of Lewis.
@@slartibartfast2649 Hamilton has lost nothing to Max Verstappen. SuperMax gets paid to drive a fast car that was built for him. He does that well. Michael Masi and The FiA robbed Hamilton. SLH44 was brutally made aware that all the accolades he'd received in a nearly 30 years career of competitive racing, were scrap heaped worthless, by those pertaining to be the governing body of the sport. A sport cheapened and smeared by the taint of manipulation and alleged corruption. Can there be anything more awful from which to come back?
@@slartibartfast2649 I dont see that at all. Lewis's last 4 races of the 2021 season was about as good as ive ever seen anyone drive an F1 car. Then in 2022 & 23 he's been in an uncompetitive car in relation to the RB. He's 3rd in the championship....aka best of the rest.
2007 F1 GP season all ended rather weighted against 'rookie' Hamilton. Ferrari (with an unexpected Kimi 'Iceman' Raikkonen at the fore), clinched the F1 GP WDC TITLE by 1 point, from Hamilton who beat his McLaren team mate (2005&2006) 2xF1 GP WDC TITLE HOLDER, Fernando Alonso, on countback. (Numbers often ignored by Hamilton detractors, who have them finishing on equal points). Had BMW Sauber been disqualified for 'fuel irregularities', (as really should have happened), the points would have been awarded to Hamilton, (the next in line), giving him enough to pip Kimi Raikkonen to the title. However, Hamilton happened to go on record with the BBC saying he wouldn't want to win the F1 GP WDC TITLE because another driver had been disqualified. McLaren, already in hot water over 'Spygate', could have done without such naive statements by their 'rookie' driver Hamilton.
Alonso stopped Schumacher to reign in F1 any longer. Kimi'era never gets bloomed because of both Alonso and Hamilton. And Hamilton stopped Alonso's era from blooming. The 2007' season tell the story of the rise of Hamilton (Optimus Prime) and the Fallen of Alonso.
Lmfao, it was Schumacher (and Alonso) that stopped any kimi era (he was already past his peak in 07'), kimi actually beat both hamilton and Alonso in '07 (which you seem to not realise), the hamilton era didn't start until 2014, while between 09-13 Alonso nearly won 2 more titles and was way ahead of hamilton. This is the most casual comment of casual comments I've ever seen 😂. This channel is the casuals hub 😂
@@BeBe-vh4ry Boaha...ha... You should know Motorsport racing is a man-machine's performance show. Moreover, the machine contribution heavily out weighted the man (driver/rider) contribution. What evident do you have to claim Alonso in Ferrari was better than Ham in Maca?
7:46 i think its unfair to say lewis was racing on bridgestone tires that were used in F1, GP2 tires were not the same as F1 tires just like F1 tires now are not same as in F2
and we know how F2 drivers still struggle coming to F1 with tires even when the tires are from the same supplier, experienced F1 drivers still adjust to pirelli tire-changes better than F2 champs
Lewis didn't beat Alonso and I'll tell you why. The only reason he was ahead was due to a technicality of finishing one race extra in a higher position. That's not winning. If your team mate scores level points with you not having achieved the same level of great high end results as you, you didn't win that battle regardless what the papers say. If Hamilton wants to chirp that he beat Alonso, he should have done so by getting far more points than Fernando. That didn't happen. In fact, in reality, Alonso beat Hamilton in 2007 when you look at the race events and results deeper.
Alonso's narrative of that season really made him even more unsympathetic than he was before! Bro literally fumbled under the pressure of a rookie yet people believe he's among the greatest, never changed as a driver, he's very much the same he was at the beginning of his career, always brilliant, but the goats master their craft, they learn, Lewis and Max are a league above him (even though i respect his immense race-craft).
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 you have max ranked over alonso all time? Personally I think that’s outrageous and is pure recency bias😂 Max will overtake alonso in a few years but max has had 1 championship battle and then 2 years in a unbeatable car, those championships don’t lift him over alonso after what we’ve seen him do since 05, sometimes in cars so bad max has stated himself he’d just retire if he had to drive. I also think it’s unfair to call losing to the greatest of all time atm a fumble, did seb fumble, did max fumble, are these all fumbles or is that just what happens when you race against the greats, same argument for max beating Gasley, Albon, Perez, did they all just not get a car that suited them or did max beat them. Unfair to max to say anything but he beat them
@@AlwaysEwok I rate Max over Alonso because Max improved season after season, while Alonso stayed the same. Max also has short corners (like Lewis and Charles), which is something Alonso fails to even comprehend! I blame Alonso for fumbling under pressure because Lewis was a rookie (although a bloody good one, surely the greatest rookie of all time, with Jacques Villeneuve). Races like Canada are unacceptable for a reigning world champion even if you have to adapt to new tires, i don't even recall such bad performances from Vettel in 2014 despite he was absolutely rubbish that season. The only thing he had to do is keeping things clean (as he's objectively so good at when he wants it), but no, he had to literally burn his team out. Finally, the greatest driver of all time for me is Alain Prost (talking about F1, overall, it's either Tazio Nuvolari or Sebastian Loeb), but that's another debate!
@@AlwaysEwok Btw, i don't recall Max fumbling under pressure in 2021, just Hamilton driving at its absolute best at the end of the season (never seen him such level of flawlessness, Hamilton's best year are 2015 and 2018, but his greatest run is surely Brazil, Quatar, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi) + a good amount of bad luck (lost 26 points due to a tire in Azerbaijan + at least 18 points in Hungary due to Bottas crashing into him).
No one blames Alonso because Hamilton is a better driver. That’s just silly. Alonso is close to Lewis but Lewis edges him out in the mental aspect, where he is by far the best ever
the same case can be made for hamilton not winning the rookie championship thanks to mclaren if they had just been a little more careful to not prioritize alonso and treat both fairly, hamilton would be the first ever rookie champion
@@RehanX44Don't be so harsh on Hamilton dude, relax. He was lucky enough not to race against the team manager. FACTS Ron Dennis: "We were basically racing Fernando".
@@RehanX44jajaja Crymilton me a river. The GOAT was able not to lose, even though he was racing against the team manager who, actually, sabotaged his car. FACTS. UPDATE (GMM) F1's governing body has opened a new investigation into McLaren, amid claims that the Woking based team may have sabotaged Fernando Alonso's car in China, reports on Tuesday said. At the conclusion of the espionage saga last month, FIA president Max Mosley warned that the Paris body would closely monitor McLaren for signs of retribution against the Spaniard's involvement in providing evidence that ultimately cost the team $100 million and exclusion from the constructors' world championship. british media is so hilarious...
As talented as he is there is a good reason why Alonso has only two championships in his extremely long career. He should take responsibility for that.
I don't understand why you made this video and now you're liking all the comments with the opposite sentiment. Regardless of my opinion of the matter, it seems a bit odd. I get that you're a Ham fan and all, but still...
@@Cameron-Cc It's not a gripe. I love the videos, man; there's a reason I'm subscribed. I just thought it's a bit odd that you made a video about why Alonso isn't to blame, and then agree with the comments about why he is to blame.
@@slartibartfast2649 I hear you. sometimes you've gotta construct an argument right? As something separate to where you stand personally, as a test of you're own creativity / objectivity more than anything I dunno. maybe i have it altogether wrong. i thought it was an interesting convo to start. and i wouldn't take a comment like to mean concurrence :) not ever like at least. :)
Killa cam, Love you but the idea gp2 bridgestones were somehow comparable to f1 bridgestones is as asinine a comparison as can be made. Switching from one tire manufacturer to another, while difficult is far less intrusive than switching to an entire new racing category. The difference between f2(gp2) and f1 is several seconds. The difference between bridgestones and michelins is milliseconds. That argument is cope.
As a die hard Mclaren fan, I blame both, Mclaren and Fernando. I blame Mclaren, because when Lewis surprised everyone by being able to go toe to toe with Fernando, Mclaren changed their support to Lewis. I get it, their junior driver, british, it was a fairy tale, but he was still a rookie, which showed up at the end. This took a mental tow on Fernando, feeling your team doesn't have your back. There is an ex-mclaren member who spoke about it at length. But I also blame Alonso. Without the self induced penalty at Hungary, and everything remaining the same, he would have had enough points to win the chip.
It's amazing that the cult of Alonso remains to this day despite every single one of his rivals achieving more success than him after 2006 (except MS, who is a decade older or so). None of his rivals, or other WDCs for this matter, ever spent so long as an irrelevant midfield driver basking in occasional circumstancial success. The talent and effort it takes to maintain this grip over his narrative far exceeds that which he has as a pilot. Eventually, he'll become an exceptional politician.
what about that time where he sat in the pit box to not allow Hamilton to pit??? So it's not his fault this happened, and not his fault for getting that penalty???
@@visorcover errr... I know why he did that. And it's wrong, and he tries to blame the team for telling him to hold... no they didn't. he just lies and stays ignorant. Like how Massa was forced to give him the win, and he would reply, "that's your opinion..."
@@DonLee1980 You obviously dont know why he did that. It was even mentioned in this video. During Q3, Hamilton had ignored team orders to let Alonso past at the beginning of the fuel burn phase, which had put the cars out of sequence for their stops. This was an agreed strategy where each driver would take it in turns. Hamilton decided to ignore it on this occasion at Hungary which compromised Alonso's lap. Hamilton had tried to f*ck over Alonso's lap so Alonso returned the 'favour' by sitting in the pit box for an extra 10 seconds to prevent Hamilton getting a quick lap in. Regardless of what the team tried to present after the fact, the reality was, Hamilton created the situation by not being a team player. Something we have seen a few times. Same can be said for any champion though. To be a champion, you have to be ruthless and selfish. Oh, take those rose tinted glasses off ;-)
@@visorcover lmao. "take those rose tinted glasses off". how ironic of you saying that. Alonso deserved that penalty and he literally f*cked the team over, cuz they could have won the championship. He threw it away himself, while also throwing it away for the whole team.
Alonso🤔🤔 First I find it very suspicious that Both Shumi n Alonso wins back2back WDC with Bennentton the run off to the 2 most powerful teams at the time in F1🤔🤔 Then Bennentton just falls flat each time (They were illegal cars) Alonso thought he was the next Shumi since he dethrone the GOAT! The problem was Shumi took J Todth R Brawn n Rory Byrne with him to change Ferrari! What does JT&RB do today😮🤔 they knew how to make a illegal car LEGAL! Alonso went to Mclaren by himself NOT knowing that Mclaten/Mercedes doesn't make a car just for one driver!! They make a Neutral car the t car be adjusted to reach driver! Alonso also thought that he would WIPE the Track with the Rookie!!! The rest is history!!
He also lost to Button & Ocon. Hamilton has won over him in 13 out of 17 seasons. Vettel won over him in 12 out of 15 seasons. Enough with this guy. He will never become the greatest at 44 😂
Can you really blame Alonso?
His decision at Hungary probably cost him a championship. Alonso's racing ability is prodigious, but like the archetypal 'troubled prodigy' from any film, his emotional intelligence is his weakness. Burned many bridges and made his own life harder over the years. There's more to success than just the driving, which is something Hamilton always understood.
Sure and I do blame him for this & that
They had 109 points both, using 25 18 15 12 10... system, Alonso is actually ahead of Lewis. 4 wins for Alonso and Ham.
Yes, Hungary and Fuji were points thrown in the bin. He was good enough to beat Lewis despite not being the favoured driver by Dennis et al
...not as much as you should big up Lewis for his undeniable talent.
The penalty to Alonso in Hungary was the biggest joke in F1 history. He would have won the championship otherwise. And it was a relatively poor season from Alonso possibly due to the tyre change. Great video. Keep it up!
Yeah, he really should have just stuck to fair racing and not blocked Hamilton. I bet he still wakes up and cries about it to this day.
@@Wonderkid44 Hamilton started the games and Alonso being immature decided play along
@@antoniscola and who did he play? Himself, thats who.
@@Wonderkid44cheat is cheat. unfair penlity is unfair penality. stop speaking bs
@@fairplaymaxx7576 alonso is the one that got a penalty for cheating.
It is so interesting to see a brit talk about this and actually defend Alonso, these are points we make when talking about 2007, maybe it's copium, maybe it's reality. There are also funny segments, when you mention conventional wisdom when refering to who is to blame, it is british conventional wisdom, not spanish, I can guarantee you that. The number one reason being Lewis Hamilton himself is ironicly not the biggest one for us I feel, but fair enough, it's all a combination of factors in the end
Claro q si Pablo. Habia muchas causas por fin. Pero la mas grande? Hay q ser Lewis no?
@@Cameron-Cc It maybe is, again, we usually don't talk too much about his level that Season i feel like. I believe the consensus here is that we acknowledge he was amazing, only radicals will tell you that the only reason he was close was because of everything else. Having said that, he only managed to tie Alonso, despite everything else that you mentioned in the video, therefore Lewis wasn't better, so we don't have to think about it too much, that's generally our way of thinking (plus Alonso would be ahead with the current point system, old system merchants smh). That way, we feel a bit safer, we "keep our pride" somehow, despite what the results, and everyone else sais. Since that year, we have become quite rebellious, and defensive about what happened, and in general quite frankly, it was the year that the beef started between our fanbases and medias. Since we don't control the narrative internationally, unlike the british media, which is literally the same as the mainstream f1 media, it is tough to make our thoughts be known and respected, we have our own opinions about events, but there are no crossovers between our fanbases on social media. So thanks, yet again, for putting up this video, its opinions are probably a shock for other f1 fans, but for us spaniards, is almost the regular consensus
Alonso is the Goat, everybody that watch races knows that, if he was english he would won all championships he wants.
There is one thing that many forget to mention. Alonso went to a copletely diferent team, car and tyres. It was a 180 in terms of culture. The car was a 180 of sort to the Renault. And then the tyres... Alonso since 2007 is unable to drive way he did in Renault because it would shred the rubber. Some of the people back then at McL were actually concerned about Alo adapting to the car and new tyres. You can actually compera his driving from 2006 and 2007. You can see they are nothing alike.
Honestly the fact he managed same points says enough... 99% of the drivers would crack under that same pressure. Fernando Alonso is a machine and at the age of 42 after a break of 2 years confirms it. What a beast!
Saying that Alonso lost to a Ham rookie is oversimplifying, penalties, spaygate.... Lewis Hamilton probably knew the car better at that time, there were many hours of testing. I think that even with the team against them, that they would get the same amount of points and they will both be 1 point away from winning the Kimi championship is simply a macabre and poetic joke in the history of F1. Not even Drive to survive would have had so much imagination. Two of the best drivers in history, that 17 years later they are still competing wheel to wheel and we don't know how to say if their prime has already passed is exceptional
Isn’t it exactly the same for Räikkönen that year who won the championship? First year from McLaren to Ferrari, from Michelin to Bridgestone, from a car that was built for him to a car that was built for Schumi and Massa. And for the large part of the season, Ferrari was the second fastest car after McLaren. And there was bad luck with Räikkönen too, electrical problems at Spain, Japan GP with tyre problems etc.
@@jonihumaloja8702 not really no, because while kimi did indeed have a car that quite different, he still had the core benefit of the cars driving style suiting gimme, as his and the now departure Schumacher had quite similar driving styles to almost the very t, the McLaren mp4/22 matched Kimi driving style quite well that hamiltons own driving style resonated with that much than Alonso, that and Kimi had a solid no. 1 status unlike Alonso
Hamilton had a great season but if you are fair and look back at the season, you see that McLaren clearly favored Hamilton. Just what happened in Hungary was the biggest proof of the bias. When Hamilton refused to comply with the qualifying process that HE had agreed to with the team, Alonso had to take matters into his hand to get fair treatment and go out on track in the agreed upon order where he would get the last quali run. Then the team and Ron Dennis screwed him with the stewards and he went from pole to a 5 place grid penalty. That was the difference in the championship. Fernando wins the championship easily if he keeps pole. The FIA saw the unfair treatment and had to have representatives in the McLaren garage to ensure fair treatment for Alonso at the last race of the year. If they thought all was fair, the FIA could have denied the request and stayed out of the McLaren garage.
You cant really blame Mclaren for Alonsos DNF in Japan, or his embarassing performance in Canada, or his stupid mistakes in Spain, Hungary etc...
Hamilton was unluckier that year as well..
What about the crane who only pulled Lewis car out of the gravel? Nurburgring... (European GP 2007).
And they sent him on used tyres in Hungary. Unlike the set of new tyres that were ready for Lewis.
@@kj48tigerExcept Hungary, which is 50/50, it wasn’t really his fault. Heidfeld and Hamilton remain the biggest douchebags in 2007. Also the fact that he got Toro rosso and Williams now and then crashing into him and significantly damaging his car. Can’t really blame him for his car being a dog
Alonso driver of the century
Everyone knows that both McLaren and Mercedes opted for Hamilton, sabotaging Alonso's car in multiple races, but with all that his own team did to him, he was just one point away from being world champion in 2007, tying with Louise in the second. position with 109 points.
Agree on all add 1 more , throughout the year Hamilton profited on Alonso’s setups and telemetry, on the other side in the last part of the championship Alonso wasn’t sure if the pressure on his tyres was correct along with other setups , last race of the year FIA steward's on Maclaren box to make sure all was kosher on his car …
Alonso was tilted by team and clearly underestimated Hamilton .
It's an arbitrary loss, decided by an arbitrary ruling that says more higher positions are worth more than fewer lower positions. If we went by average race finish position, Alonso would beat Hamilton. But for all intents and purposes they were tied that season.
Both of them have got a lot better as drivers since 2007. Hamilton has better one lap pace, but in terms of racing on Sundays, I don’t think there is any difference between the two of them, although Alonso probably has better racecraft
Alonso had built his experience on Michelin tyres. Hamilton benefitted from unlimited testing. McLaren underestimated how good Lewis was but Alonso was at a disadvantage with the car.
You sir have a honest opinion! That s exactly how it went
Great video, youre a great presenter. I think it's so hard to differentiate between Alonso and Hamilton, they really both were a class above anyone else on the grid at that time. It's a shame we didnt get to see multiple seasons of them fighting like we did with Lewis and Nico. Alonso deserved far more from his career than he ever got, but there's a sliver of truth to the idea he didn't help himself either
I tell you what i love the livestreams and the shakedowns because it is how i ingest the sport and i like the cut of your jib…but THIS…..bruv these videos are your niche! You are killing these type of videos. Big up, respect, and all dem tings dere. 🔥🔥🔥
Oh my goodness that I had to watch twice brilliant work Cameron. You have me wanting more. I watched it again believing that I had missed something because I just couldn’t believe it was over. My brother you are the class of the field. 876 love fam.
McLaren betrayed him mid season. The entire FIA was in on it. I remember a crane pulling Hamilton first out of the gravel with 6 other cars trapped. It was disgustingly obvious
Bcz of British own sport's back then... All the fia personnel with British nationally should be fired from job...
Cuz the narrative of first diverse guy winning is better than just another usual guy winning
for fernando to perform the way he did, in that team, who clearly clearly backed hamilton, it's pretty amazing. however, it's the only argument a hamilton fan can cling to.
Well done for losing to a rookie, only argument Lewis fans can hold on to? Alonso fans are still bitter to this day.
@@Wonderkid44 Ron Dennis "We weren't racing Kimi, we were basically racing Fernando." Yet, he did not loose. Amazing. Racing against his own team manager and he manages not to be outscored. GOAT.
@@PaburoTokyo Goat? 😂 do you know what that means?
@@Wonderkid44THE GOAT. PERIOD
I might not always agree with you.
But, the storytelling, the editing (sound and video) the b-roll and the evident effort behind this production. I got to say… keep going.
FIA got lucky, because IF a Mclaren driver won the WDC, they had to DQ him and crown Kimi by default. That year's scandal was actually insane. So at the end of the day it didn't matter if Alonso beat Hamilton or not, since if protocol was followed, both should have been DQed from the 2007 world championship.
I've always wondered about this. Did FIA get lucky or.... was it somehow arranged. The points advantage Lewis had with two races to go seemed insurmountable.
@@pancon5 They reallyy got lucky Kimi won, because let's face it, nobody cares about the constructor's championship. That's why they only DQed Mclared from it, but left the points of Alonso and Hamilton stand. However, there is no doubt Ferrari would have rained hellfire on FIA, if a Mclared driver won the WDC and they let it stand.
@@trndrd Absolutely, Spygate left a sour taste to a spectacular season.
Superb video! Loving the history lesson and quality of this video 🎉❤
From Dennis point of view he couldn't have handled it any worse. He had the two best drivers of the grid. Alonso didn't want a strong teammate and surely would have left anyway after 2007. Surely to get the best overall result Alonso is your number 1 for 2007. At least after Monaco a desicion should have been made on that aspect.
No way, Ron saw Lewis as his son at that time.
A very good vid mate. I have to take a bit of an issue with your comment @8:47 regarding 'outrageously aggressive but with none of the down side of the clumsiness you'd expect to see from a newbie'. He had his fair share...
He had a couple but I mean.... few and far between for the level of risk he was absorbing right?
@@Cameron-Cc Yep quite possibly. His first two years were something to behold for sure. Used to be a massive fan of Lewis in those days. His dedication and focus was great.
The truth is the McLaren was the best car, any well prepared rookie with ambition would have ended top3 at least. Alonso got "diminished" by his own team, and eventually McLaren lost the WDC. Stupid managment and a british press narrative lie praying Hamilton was better than Alonso.
We can't blame Alonso because we have McLaren British bias to blame, as simple as that!
Theres no reason why a new driver(rookie) even out drives a 2x world champ. Thats embarrassing and you're using British bias as an excuse.
They doing the same thing with Piastri
@@immanuelhamukwaya no I'm not, it's a well known fact!
And Hamilton doesn't beat Alonso both of them finished with 109 points!
@@Voldnarok whose known fact?
Do you understand why they tied on points?
@@immanuelhamukwayait's not even Brit bias, Hamilton was like Ron Dennis' son. It's more like nepotism.
Given his situation he actually won
Great video! Glad the algorithm sent me your way 😁
Amazing Video Cameron!
Thank u JSAC 🙏🏾
3:40 I've always thought it unfathomable that he went back to McLaren in '15 (?) after threatening to tear them down in '07. 😁
Unbelievable season, rookie Lewis was leading for almost its entirety, nice retrospective!
Nobody wanted him.
@@alimantado373 I'm still surprised McL wanted him back. 😋
@@alimantado373Yeah sure. He carried Ferrari on his back for nearly 5 years and practically was going to give them 2 championships if not for their stupid mistakes. I’m sure nobody wanted a championship winning driver with such precision. Mercedes and RB was open to hiring him, so 2015 was his mistake
@@corvettesareneat1274 Every WDC who came from another team carried Ferrari... and it didnt start at Lauda, or Alonso. Ferraris greatest champion is Ascari because he was born a nd bred Italian and Ferrari through & through. Alonso has been his own worst enemy in his career. His radio talk and media hardly sounded like him supporting the team.
@@alimantado373 That quite literally is not true. In the early days ferrari literally built championship winning cars, and no way was Ascari the best ferrari champion just, because he was Italian. Lauda was the first guy to ''carry'' ferrari on his back, then Jean Alesi, Gerhard Berger, Prost, Mansell, Schumacher and finally Alonso. Alonso had bad luck, I mean he had made mistakes, but most of them weren't exactly his own fault. And how can you support ferrari when they screw you up like they did with him. Let me remind you 2010 and 2012, literally if it was fair he won those years
Say Man. Felt like I just watched a movie. You did this one. Very nice work. Thank you.
No, thank you. Means a lot your saying that🙏🏾
Great Vid! But I swear you turn up your brum accent each video haha😆
Greatest rookie season? Why do everyone forget jaques villeneuves first year in 1996 when he almost took the title?
"I don't think Fernando's emotions are fully under control in the car or out of the car at the moment"
-Martin Brundle during the 7th race of the season. Lewis surely got into Nandos head very early
There is a huge difference between Alonso and others...included Hamilton. Alonso is able to push and to be far beyond the car performance, others not. Mclaren. Mclaren stole him a championship in 2007, nowadays is possible to see something similar in Red Bull, Sergio Perez car is always the one that got problems.... always.
Wrong tyre pressure in fuji speed ways to sabotage alonso to win wdc... Then in Hungary used tyre 🤣🤣🤣,, in Canada wrong set up given by team, in China no updates parts.. All updates for Lewis car🤣
Don't forget about Norbert Haug of Mercedes, threatening Alonso. There is so much material on this
Alonso was solid, not perfect in 2007, Hamilton was fast but it always seemed like he got maximum support from Mclaren.
excelent video. I like both drivers. What's also interesting to me is what their relationship is like now as both have publically praised one another recently
Oh please, it's all for the cameras. No love their. Their relationship is as good as Max and Lewis or Lewis and Nico.
You sold me the subscription immediately with that Mclaren behind, but you will won with this amazing video anyways
The GOAT for me, Alonso was just spectacular between 2003-2014. Such a shame he killed his career going to McLaren again. Why???? When even Hamilton himself knew he needed to get out, not to mention how Kimi, Montoya, Alonso before and Prost were all desperate to leave, he decided to join again.
Alonso is to blame. He had a meltdown and burned his bridges with the team. Mclaren had Alonso in the favoured position with team strategy. Mclaren also fueled Lewis heavier during the first half of the season hence the qualifying results being closer than they should have been. Once Alonso threatened the team it was game on with equal fuel loads. Lewis was hitting purple sectors all day. Lewis went into the penultimate race that being shanghai with 12 point lead and would have been even bigger if he had finished the race. Let that sink in for awhile, 12 point lead with more points to come. Unfortunately lewis retired in shanghai with a gear box issue in brazil took away all that could have been, making the fight with alonso look closer than it should have been. Dont get me wrong, i like alonso and hes one of the best. And for all the people talking about Lewis having experience with the tyres, well alonso didnt see that as an advantage when he spoke to Ron totally overlooking lewis. Plus he had thr advantage of being in an F1 car for years compared to the rookie.
Mclaren favoured Lulu the entire season, and we’re proven to be sharing Alonso’s Telemetry Data with Lulu. Alonso tested this by driving worse in practise to see if it would effect Lulu’s driving negatively and it did. So Fernando with the whole team on Lewis’s side still managed to equal him on points.
@@davi66urtin sauce?
Hamilton had tested for mclaren already and therefore been involved in the development of the '07 car, he also wasn't a 'rookie' in the modern sense as he had also tested extensively pre-season, while they now get a day of testing before the first race.
Alonso's reaction was entirely logical at the time; imagine you are the number 1 driver on the grid and (at the time) some random noob comes in and starts winning, you're going to assume something dodgy with the team because it doesn't make sense.
It's a shame we didn't get to see a real rivalry over 2-3 seasons together, or even between top teams.
They're were the 2 best drivers for 10+ years and we only got one season...
@@BeBe-vh4ry he's definitely a rookie. But not in driving the car, rather in becoming a new player of the championship.
@@davi66urtin doesn't this mean if someone else has the same driving style as Alonso, they would be better than Alonso himself? No hate Nanny though
Think they were equal on points and alonso had better qualifyings.
Equal. But Lewis had more second places
@@Cameron-Ccwith cheating.
Not so ironically; Lewis left that arrogantprick Ron Dennis just before McLaren sank a few years later
No.1 reason you, have 2 WDC and you want to chase the Money!
Plus one of the two driver is duplicitous but very talented.
He likes the role of villian as he has said!
Flavio inflence has tainted the guy😂 I blame Briatore!
just the statement made by alonso suggesting that hamilton wasn't going to be good was his downfall, never underestimate anyone or get humbled.
Number 1: They actually tied at points
The funny thing is that with the current point system Fernando would have scored more points than Lewis. ALO 269-267 Hamilton, I made maths and you can also search for it on the internet...
I need chapter two of these two Goats... They tied on points, on wins (4), on podiums (12).
Lewis made more poles: 5-3
Fernando scored more fastest laps: 4-2
Qualy: Alonso 8-9 Hamilton
Race: Alonso 10-7 Hamilton
far as i can recall they never crashed into each other in 07 unlike other team mates thro out f1
Pure racing craft... what we should be seeimng in this era!
Alonso lost for the very same season Rosberg quit, Valterri needed therapy, and George is beginning to find out - pressure. Pressure exerted by prodigal talent. The man's irrepressible. Blessed with a well, no ocean of talent beyond even his reckoning. Vettel succumbed to that pressure, max too were it not for [the one we shall not name] altering the written regulation aka human error.
Tbh, Max didn't fumbled under pressure (although he was very aggressive, whom i suspect his father and Marko to be responsible for that), Lewis and Merc were just flawless in the last stages of 2021, its the best i've ever seen them perform operationally.
Also, i overall think Max was perhaps the better driver in 2021, if we look at the season, he made fewer mistakes.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382yes Max had more poles and wins. Mercedes had a great tactic with their engine in combination with the amazing talent Hamilton is that's gold. Max was so aggressive because he had no choice, that was his only chance to beat them in the second half. But like you said if anything Max was more consistent and made less mistakes over the whole season. For a 23 year old that's mighty impressive, just like Hamilton who was god tier against Alonso.
Another utterly delusional comment 😂
This is absurd entirely.
ham is good, but could not beat Max on equal grounds.
21 ham had a far superior car, the benefit of the stuards favouring him, getting away with clear penalties and he took out his rival.
If the rules applied Max would have won it prior to the last race.
Fun fact: Lewis Hamilton's nearly signed for Spyker in 2007 if the Mclaren seat wasn't available
Fleshing out the Catalogue are we now… it’s very good so far!
Appreciate you 🙏🏾
Might be one of our best
Even as someone who believes the circumstances favored Lewis in 2007, i'm appalled at how many people accuses McLaren of ruining Fernando's season when it was pretty much the other way around!
Alonso had one of the most pathetic performances by any reigning world champion i've ever seen in Canada, got schooled by Heidfeld in an inferior car in both Bahrain and France, started to throw his team under the bus in the medias then proceeds to blackmail Ron Dennis and immune himself in the spygate by witnessing against them (despite he very much benefited from that industrial spying).
Classic ciaron smith letting out his personal frustration with his 2000th fake account
@@matz1974
Ciaron is British, i'm Belgian.
It's funny how auto-persuation can make people invent stuff, if you manage to check the IP, you're gonna notice we aren't from the same country.
The reason Alonso had a poor 2007 season is because for once in his life he actually had a good teammate. Put Hamilton alongside him today and he will have another poor season to add to that
@@MahendraGaadhiI'm sorry, have we all just forgotten George Russell beat him last year, and is absolutely smoking him in quali this year? 😂
@@MahendraGaadhi Max, just another driver who never had a great teammate.
Could you clarify what you mean by "what happened to Lewis, all that unfulfilled potential"?
It's a joke man.jeez Louise
I hear that not understanding sarcasm is a genetic condition
What a humorously appropriate username 😅
we still call it losing?
I miss Steve Rider, the man have so much class as a presenter.
Uma coisa que eu acho engraçado sobre o spygate é que o pessoal arranjou uma maneira de culpar o Alonso pela espionagem da McLaren.
Ao invés de ficarem revoltados com a atitude da McLaren, a mídia tentou transformar o Alonso no vilão da historia.
A mídia britânica é péssima.
Uma das piores do mundo.
ALONSO DIDNT LOOSE TO HAMILTON
Lo que yo recuerdo que se habló en aquella temporada, es
1ºque compartían con Hamilton la telemetría de Alonso. Aunque seas un novato si tienes acceso a los datos de un Bicampeón con el mismo coche pienso que es una gran ventaja, es tener a tu jefe trabajando para tí.
2ºComo dices en el video en Mónaco un 1º y 2º puesto para el equipo no debes dejar que un novato lo desperdicie, ¿Era culpa de Alonso clasificar por delante de Hamilton? pues lógico que no le dejen estropear la carrera. además, ¿Crees que algún piloto del mundo en Mónaco con el mismo coche adelantaría a Alonso?
3º Se establecieron unas normas de clasificación, cada piloto en un GP cerraría la clasificación, y Hamilton no lo cumplía queriendo así ser favorecido, hay que tener encuenta, que un novato no cumplia las normas de equipo frente a un bicampeón... es lógico que Alonso no aceptara se perjudicado.
4º A Alonso en Hungría, se dijo que para la última vuelta de clasificación el equipo le puso neumáticos usados, aun así hizo la pole. Si no le hubieran quitado la pole y sancionado, por defenderse de algo injusto, (le tocaba dar la última vuelta a él) hubiera ganado el mundial independientemente de lo que hiciera Hamilton, sin embargo, Hamilton no ganó por errores propios y lógicos en un novato.
5ºTodos vimos a Ron Denis enfadado por quedar 1º Alonso y 2ºHamilton en Hungría a pesar de que Hamilton incumplia las normas.
Le rovaron el mundial a Alonso y MClaren se quedó sin campeonato. Tenían que haber dejado trabajar a Alonso que para eso le contrataron y le pagaron.
Hamilton ha demostrado después lo gran piloto que es, pero aquel año no le tocaba..... y de hecho aun sancionando a Alonso y siendo claramente favorecido por Ron Denis no ganó ese año.
Alonso no es el mejor novato de la F1 por que debutó con Minardi y no tenía un padrino como Ron Denis.... Briatore supo ver lo que tenía y le sacó partido.
If Hamilton wouldn't of completely bottled the end of the season and won that title (he was the best driver that year....im not flexible on this) it wouldve been the greatest thing ive ever seen in sports. Kicking his two-time REIGNING world champion's ass in a sport that is about as unkind to rookies as any can be. Alonso has never been the same. Hamilton took his soul!
And now Max seems to have taken a good chunk of Lewis'. At least for a couple of years. I feel a bounce-back on the way.
@slartibartfast2649 I don't think it's quite the same. What took a chunk out of lewis wasn't max. Lewis lives for wheel 2 wheel racing no matter how tough it gets. He could be way behind in the points through DNFs and bounce back. We saw that many times with him and Nico. Lewis is battle hardened, so I don't think Max plays a part with how lewis felt. Lewis said it best ... "They manipulated the race" ... What got to lewis was how the FIA and Masi had total disregard for fair racing and boldly bringing the sport into dispute right before our eyes. That's what took a chunk of soul out of Lewis.
@@slartibartfast2649
Hamilton has lost nothing to Max Verstappen. SuperMax gets paid to drive a fast car that was built for him. He does that well.
Michael Masi and The FiA robbed Hamilton.
SLH44 was brutally made aware that all the accolades he'd received in a nearly 30 years career of competitive racing, were scrap heaped worthless, by those pertaining to be the governing body of the sport.
A sport cheapened and smeared by the taint of manipulation and alleged corruption.
Can there be anything more awful from which to come back?
@@slartibartfast2649 and it only took him 7 years to do it... lol
@@slartibartfast2649 I dont see that at all. Lewis's last 4 races of the 2021 season was about as good as ive ever seen anyone drive an F1 car. Then in 2022 & 23 he's been in an uncompetitive car in relation to the RB. He's 3rd in the championship....aka best of the rest.
109 to 109 seems pretty tight to me....
Aww man these top 5 reasons videos are just hooking me on the titles alone.
The funny thing is this guy is a clear Lewis Hamilton fanboy. He is obviously tryna like those comments where Lewis is favoured and Alonso is trolled.
CameronF1 and Peter Windsor.👌 Do you really need a subscription to any other channels?
Yes,... BrrrakeF1 (if you want to get techy, literally) and Red Flags Podcast if you want nonstop irreverence (but surprisingly informed irreverence).
@@m12x12 fair enough. There are only so many hours in a day though.
2007 F1 GP season all ended rather weighted against 'rookie' Hamilton.
Ferrari (with an unexpected Kimi 'Iceman' Raikkonen at the fore), clinched the F1 GP WDC TITLE by 1 point, from Hamilton who beat his
McLaren team
mate (2005&2006) 2xF1 GP WDC TITLE HOLDER, Fernando Alonso, on countback. (Numbers often ignored by Hamilton detractors, who have them finishing on equal points).
Had BMW Sauber been disqualified for 'fuel irregularities', (as really should have happened), the points would have been awarded to Hamilton, (the next in line), giving him enough to pip Kimi Raikkonen to the title.
However, Hamilton happened to go on record with the BBC saying he wouldn't want to win the F1 GP WDC TITLE because another driver had been disqualified.
McLaren, already in hot water over 'Spygate', could have done without such naive statements by their 'rookie' driver Hamilton.
Goat Alonso
Alonso stopped Schumacher to reign in F1 any longer. Kimi'era never gets bloomed because of both Alonso and Hamilton. And Hamilton stopped Alonso's era from blooming. The 2007' season tell the story of the rise of Hamilton (Optimus Prime) and the Fallen of Alonso.
Facts!
I ingloas gud. Fax!
Lmfao, it was Schumacher (and Alonso) that stopped any kimi era (he was already past his peak in 07'), kimi actually beat both hamilton and Alonso in '07 (which you seem to not realise), the hamilton era didn't start until 2014, while between 09-13 Alonso nearly won 2 more titles and was way ahead of hamilton.
This is the most casual comment of casual comments I've ever seen 😂. This channel is the casuals hub 😂
@@BeBe-vh4ry Boaha...ha... You should know Motorsport racing is a man-machine's performance show. Moreover, the machine contribution heavily out weighted the man (driver/rider) contribution. What evident do you have to claim Alonso in Ferrari was better than Ham in Maca?
@@madjayax731 errr maybe the fact he nearly dragged a tractor of a ferrari to the title ahead of a Vettel-Newey red bull? Some downfall 😂.
Lewis came in all guns blazing
7:46 i think its unfair to say lewis was racing on bridgestone tires that were used in F1, GP2 tires were not the same as F1 tires just like F1 tires now are not same as in F2
and we know how F2 drivers still struggle coming to F1 with tires even when the tires are from the same supplier, experienced F1 drivers still adjust to pirelli tire-changes better than F2 champs
Points were level as I recall 👍
Lewis didn't beat Alonso and I'll tell you why. The only reason he was ahead was due to a technicality of finishing one race extra in a higher position. That's not winning. If your team mate scores level points with you not having achieved the same level of great high end results as you, you didn't win that battle regardless what the papers say. If Hamilton wants to chirp that he beat Alonso, he should have done so by getting far more points than Fernando. That didn't happen. In fact, in reality, Alonso beat Hamilton in 2007 when you look at the race events and results deeper.
You can't go back and weekend the count back role because it doesn't suit
Even if Alonzo had finished ahead of Hamilton in 2007, equal points would have been a loss in everyone's eyes because the "winner" was a 2 times WC
"Cultural differences" claro, of course XD
1 and only reason. Lewis F*ing Hamilton
Alonso's narrative of that season really made him even more unsympathetic than he was before!
Bro literally fumbled under the pressure of a rookie yet people believe he's among the greatest, never changed as a driver, he's very much the same he was at the beginning of his career, always brilliant, but the goats master their craft, they learn, Lewis and Max are a league above him (even though i respect his immense race-craft).
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 you have max ranked over alonso all time? Personally I think that’s outrageous and is pure recency bias😂 Max will overtake alonso in a few years but max has had 1 championship battle and then 2 years in a unbeatable car, those championships don’t lift him over alonso after what we’ve seen him do since 05, sometimes in cars so bad max has stated himself he’d just retire if he had to drive. I also think it’s unfair to call losing to the greatest of all time atm a fumble, did seb fumble, did max fumble, are these all fumbles or is that just what happens when you race against the greats, same argument for max beating Gasley, Albon, Perez, did they all just not get a car that suited them or did max beat them. Unfair to max to say anything but he beat them
@@AlwaysEwok
I rate Max over Alonso because Max improved season after season, while Alonso stayed the same.
Max also has short corners (like Lewis and Charles), which is something Alonso fails to even comprehend!
I blame Alonso for fumbling under pressure because Lewis was a rookie (although a bloody good one, surely the greatest rookie of all time, with Jacques Villeneuve).
Races like Canada are unacceptable for a reigning world champion even if you have to adapt to new tires, i don't even recall such bad performances from Vettel in 2014 despite he was absolutely rubbish that season.
The only thing he had to do is keeping things clean (as he's objectively so good at when he wants it), but no, he had to literally burn his team out.
Finally, the greatest driver of all time for me is Alain Prost (talking about F1, overall, it's either Tazio Nuvolari or Sebastian Loeb), but that's another debate!
@@AlwaysEwok
Btw, i don't recall Max fumbling under pressure in 2021, just Hamilton driving at its absolute best at the end of the season (never seen him such level of flawlessness, Hamilton's best year are 2015 and 2018, but his greatest run is surely Brazil, Quatar, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi) + a good amount of bad luck (lost 26 points due to a tire in Azerbaijan + at least 18 points in Hungary due to Bottas crashing into him).
Alonso should learn how to drive first and then try beating the Modern Goat
With the new points system he didnt lose
Lewis in 07 was pure RAW talent 🔥🙌🏽
He was ridiculous right
we will never see that again since they cant let the drivers drive the cars freely anymore
Alonso didn´t really lose to Hamilton. 😅
No one blames Alonso because Hamilton is a better driver. That’s just silly. Alonso is close to Lewis but Lewis edges him out in the mental aspect, where he is by far the best ever
Top 5 reasons why Alonso can be blamed for losing to Hamilton
he dont lose, it both finish with the same points and hamilton and the team cheat to alonso.
the same case can be made for hamilton not winning the rookie championship thanks to mclaren if they had just been a little more careful to not prioritize alonso and treat both fairly, hamilton would be the first ever rookie champion
Ron Dennis "We weren't racing Kimi, we were basically racing Fernando."
a guy who pays engineers to sabotage his teammate lol @@PaburoTokyo
@@RehanX44Don't be so harsh on Hamilton dude, relax.
He was lucky enough not to race against the team manager. FACTS
Ron Dennis: "We were basically racing Fernando".
@@PaburoTokyo you mean alonso trying to cheat his way through paying the mechanics to sabotage hamilton 🤣🤣🤣
@@RehanX44jajaja Crymilton me a river.
The GOAT was able not to lose, even though he was racing against the team manager who, actually, sabotaged his car.
FACTS.
UPDATE (GMM) F1's governing body has opened a new investigation into McLaren, amid claims that the Woking based team may have sabotaged Fernando Alonso's car in China, reports on Tuesday said.
At the conclusion of the espionage saga last month, FIA president Max Mosley warned that the Paris body would closely monitor McLaren for signs of retribution against the Spaniard's involvement in providing evidence that ultimately cost the team $100 million and exclusion from the constructors' world championship.
british media is so hilarious...
As talented as he is there is a good reason why Alonso has only two championships in his extremely long career. He should take responsibility for that.
I don't understand why you made this video and now you're liking all the comments with the opposite sentiment. Regardless of my opinion of the matter, it seems a bit odd. I get that you're a Ham fan and all, but still...
What's your gripe?
I don't understand what you don't understand.
Objectivity?
He likes every comment because he appreciates the support?
@@Cameron-Cc It's not a gripe. I love the videos, man; there's a reason I'm subscribed. I just thought it's a bit odd that you made a video about why Alonso isn't to blame, and then agree with the comments about why he is to blame.
@@slartibartfast2649 I hear you. sometimes you've gotta construct an argument right? As something separate to where you stand personally, as a test of you're own creativity / objectivity more than anything I dunno. maybe i have it altogether wrong. i thought it was an interesting convo to start. and i wouldn't take a comment like to mean concurrence :) not ever like at least. :)
Killa cam, Love you but the idea gp2 bridgestones were somehow comparable to f1 bridgestones is as asinine a comparison as can be made. Switching from one tire manufacturer to another, while difficult is far less intrusive than switching to an entire new racing category. The difference between f2(gp2) and f1 is several seconds. The difference between bridgestones and michelins is milliseconds. That argument is cope.
As a die hard Mclaren fan, I blame both, Mclaren and Fernando. I blame Mclaren, because when Lewis surprised everyone by being able to go toe to toe with Fernando, Mclaren changed their support to Lewis. I get it, their junior driver, british, it was a fairy tale, but he was still a rookie, which showed up at the end. This took a mental tow on Fernando, feeling your team doesn't have your back. There is an ex-mclaren member who spoke about it at length. But I also blame Alonso. Without the self induced penalty at Hungary, and everything remaining the same, he would have had enough points to win the chip.
It's amazing that the cult of Alonso remains to this day despite every single one of his rivals achieving more success than him after 2006 (except MS, who is a decade older or so). None of his rivals, or other WDCs for this matter, ever spent so long as an irrelevant midfield driver basking in occasional circumstancial success. The talent and effort it takes to maintain this grip over his narrative far exceeds that which he has as a pilot.
Eventually, he'll become an exceptional politician.
your point?
What
Come on camron
You falling for the snake
He’s got you foold
Alonso is a lier
2021. Will never go away
Untill its put right
He's a good driver....Gotta say it as I see it 😞
Not taking away his driver craft
Just as a person
Which speaks volumes 🫡
what about that time where he sat in the pit box to not allow Hamilton to pit??? So it's not his fault this happened, and not his fault for getting that penalty???
Suggest you research why he did that...
@@visorcover errr... I know why he did that. And it's wrong, and he tries to blame the team for telling him to hold... no they didn't. he just lies and stays ignorant. Like how Massa was forced to give him the win, and he would reply, "that's your opinion..."
@@DonLee1980 You obviously dont know why he did that. It was even mentioned in this video. During Q3, Hamilton had ignored team orders to let Alonso past at the beginning of the fuel burn phase, which had put the cars out of sequence for their stops. This was an agreed strategy where each driver would take it in turns. Hamilton decided to ignore it on this occasion at Hungary which compromised Alonso's lap. Hamilton had tried to f*ck over Alonso's lap so Alonso returned the 'favour' by sitting in the pit box for an extra 10 seconds to prevent Hamilton getting a quick lap in. Regardless of what the team tried to present after the fact, the reality was, Hamilton created the situation by not being a team player. Something we have seen a few times. Same can be said for any champion though. To be a champion, you have to be ruthless and selfish.
Oh, take those rose tinted glasses off ;-)
@@visorcover lmao. "take those rose tinted glasses off". how ironic of you saying that. Alonso deserved that penalty and he literally f*cked the team over, cuz they could have won the championship. He threw it away himself, while also throwing it away for the whole team.
Alonso🤔🤔 First I find it very suspicious that Both Shumi n Alonso wins back2back WDC with Bennentton the run off to the 2 most powerful teams at the time in F1🤔🤔 Then Bennentton just falls flat each time (They were illegal cars) Alonso thought he was the next Shumi since he dethrone the GOAT! The problem was Shumi took J Todth R Brawn n Rory Byrne with him to change Ferrari! What does JT&RB do today😮🤔 they knew how to make a illegal car LEGAL! Alonso went to Mclaren by himself NOT knowing that Mclaten/Mercedes doesn't make a car just for one driver!! They make a Neutral car the t car be adjusted to reach driver! Alonso also thought that he would WIPE the Track with the Rookie!!! The rest is history!!
If Alonso could not beat Lewis as a rookie how on earth is he gonna beat him as 7 times champion.Those Alonso fans still living in a dream amaze me
Ron Dennis "We weren't racing Kimi, we were basically racing Fernando."
He also lost to Button & Ocon. Hamilton has won over him in 13 out of 17 seasons. Vettel won over him in 12 out of 15 seasons. Enough with this guy. He will never become the greatest at 44 😂
Why would the greatest driver of all time yield to Alonso?
So many things in my head… I simply don’t care for FA. I’m sure many people will not agree or care.
I hear you Macon, a polarising figure for sure. But a weapon's grade driver, for sure, no? 😃
@@Cameron-Cc Hey can drive a race car blind & beat 16/20 at least.
Still trying 😂😂😂😂
@CAMERONF1 top-tier journalism as always beautiful to see Lewis Hamilton of old🦾
Cbdcdwm!
My sentiments exactly.
I've been watching highlights of him that season since! 😍😃