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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • UA-camr and film critic Lindsay Ellis takes over the TFD UA-cam channel to dissect the role of the "#Girlboss" in pop culture - and what our depictions of women in roles of power say about gender, money, and corporate culture on a larger scale.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 558

  • @Mimi-cq4bg
    @Mimi-cq4bg 4 роки тому +535

    "...unmaternal...."
    I can almost taste the disdain. I'm a mom and it enrages me that women are always reduced to their maternal traits.

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 4 роки тому +4

      Are men reduced to their manly traits?

    • @miaumiau679
      @miaumiau679 4 роки тому +63

      @@RonJohn63 yes, and it's a patriarcal concept as well so i don't know where you are trying to get at...

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 4 роки тому +2

      @@miaumiau679 given our sexual dimorphism and close genetic relation to two other sexually dimorphic and patriarchal species (chimps and gorillas) *could it be* that we've got so many patriarchal concepts because we're a patriarchal species?

    • @miaumiau679
      @miaumiau679 4 роки тому +78

      @@RonJohn63 ok, so, let me analyse this.
      you believe there is sexism against men (you pointed this out in your first comment)
      but on your second comment you justify this sexism by making an appeal to nature argument.
      What do you really believe in?? Like, do you think that sexism against men is justified because of nature? Or do you believe that sexism against men is wrong but you still want to live in a patriarchal society??

    • @biazacha
      @biazacha 4 роки тому +7

      @@miaumiau679 the second theory is what most of the men that make sure to #NotAllMen really think; all the guys I know that work against sexism don't feel the need to exclude themselves from the priviledge narrative because they recognize it as it is.

  • @user-hq6gt6wr9k
    @user-hq6gt6wr9k 4 роки тому +1033

    Beyond impressed you referenced Living Single and that minority women were included in your very well-delivered discussion. Keep it coming 😊

    • @smithmarina970
      @smithmarina970 4 роки тому +14

      Yes!! I was pleasantly surprised.

    • @MicahRion
      @MicahRion 4 роки тому +2

      +

    • @thefinancialdiet
      @thefinancialdiet  4 роки тому +39

      Thank you for your feedback !

    • @shilohmugar5668
      @shilohmugar5668 4 роки тому +4

      I completely agree @Hey Kita Hey! That was a pleasant and much needed surprise!

    • @SS-vz8qp
      @SS-vz8qp 4 роки тому +5

      Agreed.
      Also, I did not know that Kyle and Maxine were in a spin-off. Now I have to find "Half and Half"!

  • @amantlemapoka2396
    @amantlemapoka2396 4 роки тому +163

    One of my favorite representations of a girlboss in recent pop culture was the boss in The Bold Type. She was so realistic and clearly written by a woman. She had a family and was also invested in being a mentor to her employees. Love her! Miranda Priestly wishes.

  • @halfbloodprincess989
    @halfbloodprincess989 4 роки тому +16

    In Germany, a high ranking politician recently appionted only men into his new department. When questionned about this, he said "I picked the most compenent candidates" and many people actually believed him.
    This sententiment of women=incompetent is such a cancer for society.

  • @mufasa0505
    @mufasa0505 4 роки тому +94

    Ironically, I think the best depiction of a woman who “has it all” is Clair Huxtable in the Cosby Show. A successful career as a lawyer, 5 happy, healthy children, and a loving marriage.

    • @jessikat56
      @jessikat56 4 роки тому +16

      It’s troublesome that this is what’s considered “having it all”. *All* is different for everyone. Kids, no kids, career, no career, married, not married, etc etc.

    • @ah5721
      @ah5721 4 роки тому +7

      we see her at a time in her life as a mom with teenagers though. Without her husbands income also she probably wouldn't have good access to childcare that made her career possible to become as successful as she did .

  • @TheWannabeTexan
    @TheWannabeTexan 4 роки тому +6

    I loved loved loved this video! I got married pretty young at 22 and my husband and I have always been equals in every sense of the word, jobs, chores, (cooking not so much because he doesn't like it but he does the dishes), and just in general the way we treat each other with respect. At one point, I made more money than he did and I know some men are very intimidated by that but he was very proud of me and we just continued to move forward. I think that if a woman wants to start a relationship it is important for her to find someone that will truly respect her and if the relationship feels unequal in any way, you both should talk about it. We can have it all: money, relationship, career and kids. You just have to find the right person to have that with ❤

    • @ah5721
      @ah5721 4 роки тому

      sadly most women dont have men like yours . you are blessed

  • @yaya14every81
    @yaya14every81 4 роки тому +98

    A lot of today’s ‘girl bosses’ aren’t winning in life, they’re just surviving. Or these girl bosses have husbands who make the real money and they are just doing little projects and posting them on Insta!
    Or they say they are entrepreneurs but that’s code word for unemployment. ‘Side hustles’ is today’s way of saying a second job. So many people on social media lack credibility with the advice they provide.

    • @ShelbySteele23
      @ShelbySteele23 4 роки тому +6

      Exactly! Ive been thinking about this because I want to quit my job and start my own business but Im afraid of giving up a stable income for a constant hustle or multiple side gigs.

    • @honeydew5963
      @honeydew5963 4 роки тому +9

      Shelby Steele get your business going BEFORE you quit

    • @AMarie2326
      @AMarie2326 4 роки тому

      Thank you

  • @abeauti14
    @abeauti14 4 роки тому +28

    I love this episode!! Thank you for showing diversity with the different shows you talked about!!!! Makes me feel included!!

  • @taylormartinez2952
    @taylormartinez2952 4 роки тому +49

    Two of my fav UA-camrs 😍😍
    Also the immediate GoT reference was great thank you!

  • @bee_bee75240
    @bee_bee75240 4 роки тому +9

    I know there are a million comments about this but THANK YOU for the diversity of this topic by simply including characters that don’t all look the same. Especially since I can tell it was thoughtfully done and not just thrown in for cool points.
    Anyone who can make a Living Single reference is alright with me 😊

  • @pixiebomb28
    @pixiebomb28 4 роки тому +4

    Living single and Girlfriends truly inspired me growing up. Loved seeing all those women enjoying freedom and independence

  • @usehername1
    @usehername1 4 роки тому +12

    Yes! Ignoring the fact that "working hard" is all you need and that there are no societal obstacles.

  • @evildoesnotsleep-x2b
    @evildoesnotsleep-x2b 4 роки тому +19

    open question: which series/movies portray a woman boss in a healthy way?

    • @paaaz91
      @paaaz91 4 роки тому +5

      Jacqueline Carlyle from the Bold Type

    • @elizabethkeller9261
      @elizabethkeller9261 4 роки тому +8

      Working Girl with Sigourney Weaver and Melanie Griffith and 9 to 5 with Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda and Dolly Parton are two of my personal favorite examples. They're both movies from the 1980s, but feel very ahead of their time in terms of how they approach girlbossing. Working Girl really dives into how business is very patriarchy oriented, and sexism dominates the industry. Tess (Melanie Griffith) initially looks up to Katharine (Signourney Weaver), who's like the textbook girlboss, but ultimately realizes that Katharine's approach to it is just as toxic as those of her male counterparts. Tess maintains both her ambitions and her ethics in the end and is rewarded for it (not to spoil the movie too much). 9 to 5 is a bit more power fantasy, since it focuses on three women who get to stick it to their terrible lecherous boss in a hilariously extreme way, but a huge theme of the film is the women learning that in order to overcome this unfair system, they have to work together, not pit themselves against each other, and a lot of why they become successful bossbabes is because they make the workplace a positive environment for the other women they work with, creating a system that makes it easier for them to "have it all" so to speak.

    • @elizabethkeller9261
      @elizabethkeller9261 4 роки тому +2

      Oh, another good example is Carolyn Knapp Schappey, from the BBC Radio Series Cabin Pressure, which is just a cracking series all around

    • @ah5721
      @ah5721 4 роки тому +1

      @@elizabethkeller9261 the 9-5 movie was excelent!

  • @NinaUnlocked
    @NinaUnlocked 4 роки тому +58

    This was good! I like how diverse it was, too!

  • @aa5272
    @aa5272 4 роки тому +1

    i like how she gave the idea that we should towards a future where we can get to the top by building each other up rather than bringing other people down.

  • @zitronentee
    @zitronentee 4 роки тому +2

    There's something I have to speak about from my childhood experience : yes, the husband is the breadwinner. It's ideal to work 9-to-5, monday to friday, to build business, but it's not the reality. The reality is that my father work 11-12 hours a day, monday-saturday, 2-3 times/month business travelling. So, I can say that he's pretty much absent during my childhood. When he was older and really settle down, I'm already attending college, so I really never know him much.

  • @ApeWithPants
    @ApeWithPants 4 роки тому +9

    I'd love to see those management and job progression stats broken out into age groups and the age groups of those in charge. I'd love to know if this trend weakening with more progressive generations that might veiw women differently than those that were in charge of our business institutions when boomers where on the rise.

  • @andspenrob
    @andspenrob 4 роки тому +1

    I love this series, am thrilled to have Lindsay guest hosting, and want to reach as wide an audience as possible, so in that spirit, here's a candid anecdote: Even though I knew Lindsay was going to be hosting in the future, I didn't know this was one of her episodes, and the thumbnail didn't sell me enough to click. I only came back once Lindsay's Patreon sent an e-mail letting me know what this series was. Maybe consider changing up the thumbnail, putting her name and/or picture on the thumb, and maybe something in the title about what series this is? The retro aesthetic of the title really didn't draw me in, and usually the TFD style is pretty effective at drawing my attention - could just be me, of course! Keep up the great work, all of you at TFD and Lindsay Ellis Co.!

  • @myragroenewegen5426
    @myragroenewegen5426 4 роки тому +4

    Not every one can be, or needs to be in a high-status leadership position to be a strong and worthwhile woman and family and outside-work life should be able to work for women, since it clearly works for many men. But with everyone having so much difficulty moving up in the workforce choices about jobs both are and feel very stark and terribly unjust sacrifices feel necessary for women and everyone else. Even well before my own generation, I see just so many women who are CLEARLY wired for management and really driven who never get there. I have no trouble seeing the wage gap and the glass ceilings and sticky floors. Meanwhile, this whole evil female boss fear is this deeply chilling doom mindset, no mater how we rig our work/home balance. The struggle to feel boss-level control cuts accross all sexes and stripes and creeds, since work is so precarious in general and is a trap for women in particular (and in particular anyone dealing with compound oppression from other stigmatized identities). The metaphor that seems most impactful here is the one of reality TV, where competition is cutthroat and people struggle simply to remain in the game. Is there anyone in today's entertainment fiction making it work to have even a little of everything, nevermind having it all? The possibility seems restricted to TV shows no newer than the 80s. By all means mention any current TV girl workers who overwhelmingly make it work like that, but I really don't see it. It's become hard to immagine. And that scares the shit out of me.

  • @INTERESTEDINFORMEDINSPIRED
    @INTERESTEDINFORMEDINSPIRED 4 роки тому +10

    This is very well researched!!

    • @mhawang8204
      @mhawang8204 4 роки тому +1

      That's Lindsay Ellis for you. She has a course on Skillshare about researching for videos.

  • @katieolejnik8376
    @katieolejnik8376 4 роки тому +13

    such a great collab idea!!!

  • @79thakidd
    @79thakidd 4 роки тому +12

    yes, yes to the Living Single reference 👌🏾

  • @epicherbalism
    @epicherbalism 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you!
    I feel like our modern "you can have it all, women" thing really just looks like working constantly, for both no pay (maternity leave, caring for others) and less pay (normal job) while being judged as not good enough for either (because it's working two full time jobs that can't really get all the attention each, and we love judging women for everything)... It looks like a trap unfortunately that only the wealthy can escape. Or if you're in a country that values families and health (paid parental leave, affordable/free childcare and healthcare).

  • @middletech
    @middletech 5 місяців тому +1

    If women allowed men to be househusbands without cheating on them and if they allowed men to work with children this wouldn’t be a problem. Another thing that is open to debate is that women want to spend more time with her children.

  • @MariannesStudio
    @MariannesStudio 4 роки тому +1

    This was great! I'm happy to see this girlboss issue addressed. It's not the kind of career success I want for myself, even though I have ambition. Let's build a better, cooler blueprint for ourselves!

  • @lshardy1up
    @lshardy1up 4 роки тому

    This was awesome! One great example of embracing the new feminist boss in media is the show, "The Bold Type." They always talk about these dynamics and I love how the characters explore the issues without claiming to know all the answers.

  • @thequickjourney5532
    @thequickjourney5532 4 роки тому +3

    "Worst still, unmaternal." Seriously the most breeder sentence I've heard all week.

  • @ellencoleman4604
    @ellencoleman4604 4 роки тому +3

    Whaaaa Lindsay Ellis on the Financial Diet! Was not expecting this when I clicked, what a great surprise!

  • @vanessas8325
    @vanessas8325 4 роки тому +1

    I just loved it! I'm sharing it with all my friends! This month if off to an amazing start! Welcome Lindsay and thanks!

  • @zz55jf
    @zz55jf 4 роки тому +1

    Peggy was encouraging and helpful to any woman who showed interest in moving up. There just werent many who were.

  • @rmeddy
    @rmeddy 4 роки тому +2

    I was so shocked to find out that Half and Half was in the same universe as Living Single
    I was like nice Maxine and Kratos

  • @BetterWithBob
    @BetterWithBob 4 роки тому

    Funnily enough, Anne Hathaway later starred in a film with the exact opposite message of The Devil Wears Prada - The Intern. She plays the head of a fashion company who's considering hiring a CEO to give herself less work - because her husband is the stay at home dad who's having an affair. But the end message is that the husband needs to work on his insecurities, which he does by ending the affair, confessing everything and assuring her to stay in control of her company. And she's portrayed as a nice boss as well, although her assistant is a bit overworked.
    And there's a positive example from friggin 1942 in Now Voyager. An heiress chooses not to get married or pursue the man she loves because she wants to use her family's money to help the mental health system, based off her own experiences getting over a nervous breakdown.

  • @SessalliO
    @SessalliO 4 роки тому

    LOVED THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!! Very enlightening. I've been getting hit with such amazing content since the new year and TFD always delivers.

  • @trackee2024
    @trackee2024 4 роки тому +16

    I feel like this video is missing a good takeaway. Yes, the term is problematic. And...?

    • @AntheaPeter
      @AntheaPeter 4 роки тому +1

      feel the same way.

    • @neha_phookan
      @neha_phookan 4 роки тому

      Yes. I am trying hard to draw conclusions from the video and I failed

  • @michellechouinard4958
    @michellechouinard4958 4 роки тому +1

    Neither men nor women can "have it all." You can either do one or two things really well, or you can do several things, but you'll do them badly. Make your choice.

  • @BigRed1595044
    @BigRed1595044 5 місяців тому +1

    Women have always worked just as much (if not more) than men and girlboss is just another way to gaslight women into thinking doing more is exciting and joyous and something that will make them stand out and not at all more for your already overfilled plate

  • @ralinaahmetova736
    @ralinaahmetova736 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you, so helpful!

  • @fawn-mariegolden8677
    @fawn-mariegolden8677 4 роки тому +1

    So excited for this series!

  • @brittanymcmcmc9730
    @brittanymcmcmc9730 4 роки тому +1

    LINDSAY SERIES?
    I AM SHOOK

  • @taide123
    @taide123 4 роки тому

    I was thinking about the character of Patry Hewes in Damages only to realize it would have been the third character in your clip with Glenn Close. Why is it that they always give these roles to her?

  • @gabriellebullinga5377
    @gabriellebullinga5377 4 роки тому +1

    Woohoo! Looking forward to this series Lindsay, love you girl!

  • @HelloHello76543
    @HelloHello76543 3 роки тому

    This is such a great video-- literally took the words right out of my mouth. THANK YOU!

  • @evelynsaungikar9449
    @evelynsaungikar9449 4 роки тому

    I didn’t realize Glenn Close almost always plays this type of character. Especially if you include Dangerous Liaisons

  • @PiklizTafia
    @PiklizTafia 4 роки тому

    Love the use of diverse TV shows !!!!

  • @airemay
    @airemay 4 роки тому

    Great start to the series!! Lindsay is so good.

  • @cartooncottage2024
    @cartooncottage2024 4 роки тому

    This is why it's better to work remotely or online only.

  • @Melissa-uw2dk
    @Melissa-uw2dk 4 роки тому

    Great content! Love the research and clear points. Go Lindsay!

  • @373dancerGirl
    @373dancerGirl 4 роки тому

    This is my new favorite crossover

  • @tsubaith
    @tsubaith 4 роки тому

    This is such an awesome series! i love it

  • @alejandrogangotena9033
    @alejandrogangotena9033 4 роки тому

    The huge majority of the gap comes from difference in choices between men and women. This includes business.

  • @motherofpax
    @motherofpax 4 роки тому

    There you are, Lindsay!

  • @darkydoom9955
    @darkydoom9955 4 роки тому

    I literally had a rage over this with my mum the other week....huuumph

  • @rebeccaslobodticov
    @rebeccaslobodticov 4 роки тому

    LOVE Lindsay here! My favorite channels together

  • @NenaKPlans
    @NenaKPlans 4 роки тому

    She got me at the end

  • @ninatash2580
    @ninatash2580 4 роки тому

    OMG! Such a pleasant surprise to see Lindsay here! Huge fan!

  • @seleciaa
    @seleciaa 4 роки тому +1

    Nice collaboration ^^

  • @szilvianagy2410
    @szilvianagy2410 4 роки тому +1

    THIS is just sooo saaad. If we go on like this the future will be sad too.
    People standing alone or in “pretend”/“must” relationships all fighting for “succes”
    Undermining the idea that childcare - is something that you don’t want something that is below.
    It’s exactly what’ some man did before: ohh yeah childcare is nothing only people who are below want to do it AKA women
    Now it’s women who say:
    Yeah you rock it! - if they are career wise successful
    And in many case look down on women who choose family rather....
    ‘You are so petty. I want my OWN life not some crying annoying thing’
    This is just SAD. That we promote this. This is not “feminism” this is “manism” AKA idealizing men’s traditional role - you know the meme: new way of feminism: wanting to become man....
    And I’m not even talking about: how late childbirth is a problem - and that in the huge career building you loose many thing - one is your femininity.
    Why can’t feminine things be positive: giving birth, caring about others.
    Why see it as a weakness. Embrace it. Fight for the respect of motherhood.
    Please.

  • @dreamervanroom
    @dreamervanroom 4 роки тому +1

    #havingitall = #doingitall

  • @stephennootens916
    @stephennootens916 4 роки тому

    First of all I have to admit that when I hear Girl Boss I just think of early seventies Japanese Girl Gang movies. That being said I wonder if some of this is due to years of men being told to defined themselves by their work and nothing matters more than that pay check, while women are told the impotence of having and raising children. I often think about the differences males and females, such as often when someone is hurt or unwell males will pretty much ignore the person while more often that not females will care about said persons well being. I often think of my dad who when I got injured such as scrap a knee or get a cut his response always (in dry dark humor) do you want to cut it off. Mom of course was the opposite and help me deal with the injure.

    • @NathanWubs
      @NathanWubs 4 роки тому

      toxic masculinity stems for the systematic culture that surrounds us. Which indeed tells men need to do x, be x, cannot show feelings unless it's anger and super confidence, etc.

  • @SmellsLikeBrass
    @SmellsLikeBrass 4 роки тому

    I don't know if Mad Men is a good example.
    It is a show that started 2007 about the 1960s. The social mores of that time as well as the struggles for women (especially Peggy) and minorities in the business is not portrayed as a given but as deeply flawed and concerning.
    Also Peggy could have gone with Duck Phillips to move up.

  • @jmsl910
    @jmsl910 4 роки тому +2

    well-done!

  • @Terrornoire
    @Terrornoire 4 роки тому

    Amazing video! Congrats! Love to see a honest evaluation from a very feminist point of view of this stereotipe of the #girlboss!

  • @bilong92
    @bilong92 4 роки тому

    how did no one tell me linsday ellis is doing a series here!

  • @KrisRN23935
    @KrisRN23935 4 роки тому

    Wait, hold up. Half &Half was a spin-off!?

  • @natashachenkov1850
    @natashachenkov1850 4 роки тому +1

    Ummm... did you even watch Devil Wears Prada?

  • @hotchisonfire
    @hotchisonfire 4 роки тому

    I literally watched fatal attraction last night. Wtf world?

  • @erinoquindo8211
    @erinoquindo8211 4 роки тому

    This was awesome! I'm glad this called out capitalism and white patriarchal supremacy in a way that was concise and made a lot of sense. Not what I was expecting when I clicked on the video but I am SO pleasantly surprised! Will be reading Ellis' book soon.

  • @dnkjdkd8781
    @dnkjdkd8781 4 роки тому

    I just found out that Half and Half is a spin-off of Living Single. #themoreyouknow

  • @Seaninbabee
    @Seaninbabee 4 роки тому

    Great video!

  • @TheJadedJames
    @TheJadedJames 4 роки тому

    This video is my fight song

  • @tinas1642
    @tinas1642 4 роки тому +1

    Love this! Great video and take on the term girl boss! I find the term cringe worthy!

  • @matchalatte5415
    @matchalatte5415 4 роки тому

    I love your UA-cam channel Lindsey

  • @MrsClaireYAP
    @MrsClaireYAP 4 роки тому

    Wow so accurate

  • @lisakohly2768
    @lisakohly2768 4 роки тому

    Thank you!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏

  • @meepcity48
    @meepcity48 4 роки тому +515

    "No empire was ever built without stepping on someone else." Well said

  • @lisareadsbooks6045
    @lisareadsbooks6045 4 роки тому +816

    I love Chelsea, and if anyone has to replace her for a month, I can't think of anyone better than Lindsay- I love your critical, almost academic style. Looking forward to next week!

    • @matesafranka6110
      @matesafranka6110 4 роки тому +9

      I _wish_ my professors had had Lindsey's academic style when I used to be in an English major. I might even have graduated then.

    • @lettea.437
      @lettea.437 4 роки тому +1

      Yep. Very refreshing. Thought that back ground music did not help!

    • @GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend
      @GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend 4 роки тому +9

      I wouldn't call it _almost_ academic! It _is_ academic.

    • @jessicavictoriacarrillo7254
      @jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 4 роки тому

      Man I wish they still had Pop Culture Portfolio

  • @MaddyBlu9724
    @MaddyBlu9724 4 роки тому +825

    I slammed that like button when Lindsay brought up how women now work as much as men, but are still doing most of the child rearing and unpaid household labor.

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 4 роки тому +11

      It's *your* fault for not beating your boyfriend/husband every time he slacks off.

    • @GinHindew110
      @GinHindew110 4 роки тому +29

      Emm... no?
      The pay gap exists precisely because women work less hours than men
      And women are the primary receivers of welfare on account of children, society has several safety nets for women precisely because of childcare
      Also, werent "Strong &independent" women refusing or delaying childbirth?
      Women have decreased their traditional maternal duties but still receive the traditional maternal benefits, and men also do house chores now and we can tell they are not really hard, but lower marriage and childbirth rates means they are doing work and house chores for themselves, thats just regular self responsibility and has nothing to do with gender

    • @4Distractiononly
      @4Distractiononly 4 роки тому +2

      Well ya big surprise there

    • @banu0245
      @banu0245 4 роки тому +19

      @@GinHindew110 women work less hours because the do more house chores, according to statistic data in this video. Gender shouldn't matter there, yet it still does. (Althoug I do think it's a personal life choice. I work two jobs and my house is a mess, but both me and my bf live in a mess and just don't care most of the time. He cooks sometimes because he likes to cook, I prefer to eat out or to make a very simple quick dish).
      Also, how do women receive maternal benefits when they decide to not have children or delaying childbirth? In that case they just work as much as men and don't have any additional benefits.

    • @YourOasis97
      @YourOasis97 4 роки тому +6

      @@banu0245 most women work less hours because of kids.

  • @amateurastronomer9752
    @amateurastronomer9752 4 роки тому +338

    My biggest problem with #girlboss is how forced on women it seems. I don’t really want to be an entrepreneur or high earner, yet I constantly question this because of how much it’s trending.

    • @GlamGoddes101
      @GlamGoddes101 4 роки тому +23

      Bre Thinks I don’t think the #girlboss thing was made to make all women feel like they have to be entrepreneurs/high earners, I think it was made to empower those who want to be and remind us that it’s possible

    • @amateurastronomer9752
      @amateurastronomer9752 4 роки тому +32

      GlamGoddes101 I agree that it wasn’t the intention of #girlboss but it does seem like a result.

    • @dwc1964
      @dwc1964 4 роки тому +48

      @@GlamGoddes101 I disagree, I think that's entirely the message - in precise parallel to the model of "success" presented to men, but with added, um, issues.
      The entire value system of capitalism is about rising up in the hierarchy of money, power, "success." This justifies the position of those in power as being, of course, the result of their being "successful" at whatever they did that got them there in the first place (never mind that in the vast majority of cases, it was successfully being born to a family with pre-existing wealth/power).
      The entire point of "aspirational" messaging is not about "empowering" the viewer to rise in the hierarchy; it is the nature of hierarchies that the number of available positions on the higher levels is much smaller than on the lower, so there's only so many people who can be realistically "empowered" under any circumstances. Rather it's to keep us clawing and competing against each other for those limited spots, accepting the narrative that "success" is correlated with "merit," and above all else never questioning the hierarchical arrangement in the first place.

    • @chancletadeldiablo894
      @chancletadeldiablo894 4 роки тому +1

      @@dwc1964 exactly!

    • @Mikirono23
      @Mikirono23 4 роки тому +5

      Thank you well said. Like there so many people who don't really want to become rich but they want the attention or can't think for themselves. Its okay if you don't have the same dreams as someone else be genuine to you and what makes you happy. Just buy a house or land and live life how you want to. Geez everybody think they want to become rich and wealthy but don't know why.

  • @meredithwhite272
    @meredithwhite272 4 роки тому +227

    Another issue I have with the girlboss narrative is that is distorts what a working woman looks like. We need to celebrate working class women. Not just the ones that are executives at problematic corporations. Being an executive at an oil company, for example, isn't a good form of feminism. Women do tend to be more drawn to pro-social careers. Women are more likely to become teachers, nurses, most nonprofits I have experience with are female dominated. These are all careers where someone may have a great impact on the lives of others, but they may not be paid a high salary for it.

    • @jessicavictoriacarrillo7254
      @jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 4 роки тому +16

      Also thinking of Coco where the great-great-grandmother started a shoe business that lasted decades after her death and ensures the family stays comfortable because whether the economy falls or rises, people will need shoes.

    • @xfairfaeriex
      @xfairfaeriex 2 роки тому +6

      What makes it worse is that because of the tendency to dominate pro-social careers, women are often guilt tripped into doing more and more work for no extra compensation because they're doing it for the kids/sick/underprivileged. It's very exploitative.

  • @mimimurlough
    @mimimurlough 4 роки тому +276

    Lindsay: "Hey guys, I'm Lindsay Ellis"
    me: *liked*
    Seriously though, it's kinda tragic how any modern rich country can fall into the work vs. family dichotomy trap. As far as I have seen, the relationships and support you have in private are crucial to success if anything. So many even moderately successful women have the kind of supportive man behind them that can sadly be counted as extraordinary. Rich people pay to have housework done to save time. In my country, daycare became a major political issue in the 70's precisely because women can't usually work if it isn't available, and that's also a big reason to why split parental leave is so important.
    Few myths in the modern world are so dangerous as the one that one person can achieve anything on their own.

  • @juliacoulthard2380
    @juliacoulthard2380 4 роки тому +344

    I love how you mentioned medical bills, amen to that amen to that!

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 4 роки тому +4

      My international insurance (no network limits) was cheaper than anything anyone around me had while I was in the states (at 1/3 more expensive than usual insurance in Germany).

    • @aleka..
      @aleka.. 4 роки тому +12

      @@fionafiona1146
      We know it's US centric when one mentions medical bills as significant to finances...
      I'm always so sorry when I hear it...

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 4 роки тому

      @@aleka..
      We could talk about the Singapore model and how much republicans could demand "independence" on its basis.

    • @aleka..
      @aleka.. 4 роки тому +2

      @@fionafiona1146
      Guess I don't know my _US Republicans' talking points_ well, haven't heard of Singapore model mentioned...
      so, lended here www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/25/15356118/singapore-health-care-system-explained
      to try to get what you meant, but still didn't 🤷🏻, sorry.
      I learned something new tho.

    • @biazacha
      @biazacha 4 роки тому

      @@aleka.. exactly; this is particularly damaging when it comes to mental health - is crazy to see how little access they have and how often insurence will make everything they can't to deny cover it. One day I had suicidal thoughts, asked for help and a week later was on psicoeducation, monthly psiquiatrist and weekly group therapy... without paying a dime.

  • @teaganbowie2340
    @teaganbowie2340 4 роки тому +424

    I feel like we glossed over the opportunity gap created by childbirth. Women loose time in the workforce with pregnancy and childbirth, that is a big factor in losing out on promotions

    • @thatjillgirl
      @thatjillgirl 4 роки тому +77

      Indeed. Until we as a society make it easier for women to be gone on a (generous) maternity leave and still have a job to step back into when its over, we're going to keep having this problem.

    • @mattpaxton3528
      @mattpaxton3528 4 роки тому +106

      or women being overlooked for positions in the first place thanks to employers being "afraid to invest in them" because they will just get pregnant and leave.

    • @klaudiaw8518
      @klaudiaw8518 4 роки тому +23

      @@thatjillgirl I feel sorry for all women in America if you have this kind of problems, I have stabile work and I know if I ever get pregnant I will have support from my company and my government, I will have maternity live and I can't stop working before childbirth on sick-live to prepare my self, I will get pay, My and my baby have free health care I don't have to pay to give birth or for anything, if I will not choose private. Also after maternity live I can come back to my job and my position will be waiting for me because pregnant women and mothers are protected by low.

    • @thatjillgirl
      @thatjillgirl 4 роки тому +21

      @@klaudiaw8518 Not all women in America have this problem, but it is completely up to their employer, so some do. Since there is no federally mandated minimum maternity leave, it is up to each employer how much they will offer, for how long, and to which employees. Many of us do get some paid maternity leave, but some women aren't given any or they don't qualify because they aren't full time.

    • @klaudiaw8518
      @klaudiaw8518 4 роки тому +3

      @Elizabeth D I agree that the father should have the opportunity to stay at home with the child if it's necessary like for example when the mother has to go back to work or she just make more money then him. I don't agree that both of parents should be at home while the child is still a baby, he is not needed, it's better for men to work, for his mental sake but doesn't mean that he shouldn't help with the baby when women are tired or just want a break. Going back to maternity leave in the USA, to have equal rights and equal opportunities for pregnant women Government should make a low that all companies will adapt.

  • @kemiebear
    @kemiebear 4 роки тому +72

    I loved that you referenced Molly's character from "Insecure".

  • @manestreambeauty
    @manestreambeauty 4 роки тому +229

    Fun fact: Friends(1994) is based on and heavily borrows from *Living Single* (1993).

    • @lazyreaderdotca
      @lazyreaderdotca 4 роки тому +113

      Friends is entirely a rip off from Living Single. The actors of Living Single voiced this along with the creator and if you watch Living Single and you also watch Friends, you'll see that most of the episodes in Friends are often a play by play of Living Single except whitewashed since it's a white cast. It's sad because if you try to find a good link online now to watch Living Single, you have to search so hard but Friends has become well known and awarded and is still easy to binge. Just another case of racism.

    • @docmarmalade5224
      @docmarmalade5224 4 роки тому +15

      Thanks for sharing this. I vaguely remember Living Single, but hadn't known that Friends stole Living Single's concept.

    • @Machenziethemodel
      @Machenziethemodel 4 роки тому +21

      Lazy Reader living single is on Hulu

    • @sabrinafrni64
      @sabrinafrni64 4 роки тому +12

      People really can't help but bring on Friends everytime they mention Living Single? Honestly it's lame. Friends was already in production, Friends had a classic and almost non-existent premise. Friends took off because audiences did so and America loved it. Friends went on to be ripped off by a lot of sitcoms after it ended. It's just how TV works, the premise is hardly the most original thing ever so it's insane to think a group of friends concept is supposed to be trademarked or something.

    • @alext3480
      @alext3480 4 роки тому +7

      @@sabrinafrni64 they liked it because of all white people

  • @ElizaCocoful
    @ElizaCocoful 4 роки тому +152

    Something I think needs to be added to this conversation is the value of family! Capitalism has told us that you're only valuable if you're monetarily valued, but actually I think we need to fight that too. I'm a woman who one day would LOVE to stay home and be a Mum... I don't think that is less valuable than being a #girlboss.

    • @SL-lz9jr
      @SL-lz9jr 4 роки тому +18

      SAME. It took losing my job and taking myself out of the "rat race" for a whole year to figure out my true priorities to realize all of this. I mean... I knew these things already conceptually, but it took being unemployed (not by MY choice) to finally drive home the message. I'm hoping to start my own business, do that for a few years, prove to myself that I can start something on my own and be semi-successful at it (success as defined by MY metrics) and then figure out a way to be a stay at home mom (I'm currently nannying to pay the bills until my business is up and running, but the mom I work for is also a stay at home mom who's using the time I"m there with her kids to start her own businesses). How cool is that? No reason why we can't be worthy and valuable in all phases of our lives.

    • @dim9753
      @dim9753 4 роки тому +25

      Mothers and teachers are ESSENTIAL for us as a species. The fact that teachers are so underpaid and motherhood isn't seen as a job at all is what needs to be fixed. The solution to this macho culture is education! Teach boys the value of women and to appreciate the importance of a balance between rationality and sentimentality in both men and women.

    • @hibak8196
      @hibak8196 4 роки тому +2

      Amen.

    • @xBloodGarnetx
      @xBloodGarnetx 4 роки тому +12

      Maybe not, but if you live in a capitalist society it is a precarious position to be in, one that society seems to be fine with women being in. Don't work, don't save, just trust that he won't leave you high and dry. The fastest growing demographic of the Australian homeless population are older women, many of whom had broken or limited work history and who never got to build financial independence.

    • @GlamGoddes101
      @GlamGoddes101 4 роки тому +8

      Yes! feminism means supporting ANY decision that women want to choose for themselves - whether that’s to be a stay at home, to go far in their career, or both, or entrepreneurship. I don’t understand why some people think that women choosing to be stay at home moms is a bad thing, like that woman is choosing to do what she WANTS to do and I’ll support anyone who does what they know is best for themselves!

  • @kmbehrens14
    @kmbehrens14 4 роки тому +84

    The real question is, where can I watch Living Single?? Cuz that is the kind of media I am HERE FOR.
    Also, Lindsey Ellis is fantastic. A+ collab!

    • @smoovybaby
      @smoovybaby 4 роки тому +19

      Katie Behrens All episodes are in Hulu

    • @drasco61084
      @drasco61084 4 роки тому

      Omg I wanna watch it

    • @Sunshine4
      @Sunshine4 4 роки тому

      Katie Behrens it’s a great show!!! Enjoy!

  • @dorcaswg5726
    @dorcaswg5726 4 роки тому +30

    The #girlboss narrative is very limiting and reductive to the complexities of what women who want to pursue their dreams as well as want families go through.

  • @Emma-zq3ep
    @Emma-zq3ep 4 роки тому +183

    This is great, TFD has such intellectual, meaningful content. But so contemporary and relevant to today's 20-40ish bracket.

  • @SamarkandChan
    @SamarkandChan 4 роки тому +46

    I love Lindsay so much! Looking forward to this colab!

  • @MinervAthena123
    @MinervAthena123 4 роки тому +45

    lindsay on TFD for an entire month is like a dream I never knew I had come true!!

  • @suruthe7804
    @suruthe7804 4 роки тому +78

    im so happy with this socially aware turn the channel is taking!

  • @aele0317
    @aele0317 4 роки тому +7

    Part of having more women in boss level is with having paid maternity leave... many women having to have to choose between having children or career. Don’t tell me women are not bing punish by having to take off few weeks or even months to have children

  • @brandijones461
    @brandijones461 4 роки тому +50

    Awesome collab and a living single reference? My 2020 isn't starting off too bad

  • @morganmcgregor8647
    @morganmcgregor8647 4 роки тому +38

    I absolutely love this with my whole heart

  • @lydiab.717
    @lydiab.717 4 роки тому +24

    Cheers for the Living Single mention!😎🤩

  • @sudevsen
    @sudevsen 4 роки тому +18

    How could you forget Princess Carolyn, whose entire arc is about the balance of work and motherhood?

    • @JB-bq2qj
      @JB-bq2qj 4 роки тому +4

      Sudev Sen sorry, Bojack Horseman is the most under appreciated show of the decade.

  • @KrispyKrunchee
    @KrispyKrunchee 3 роки тому +13

    I WANT a family. I’m getting it. I want kids, a husband; I am ready to submit and be submitted to. I spent years being too afraid to go for it because I was convinced I would be a loser if I didn’t subscribe to a noticeable degree to the “hustler”/“gurlboss” lifestyle. I’m done. I can work AND have a family. I fell for it; I spent years hiding from my true dreams. I was deceived. I couldn’t figure out why I was sooo unhappy. I’m so glad I got over my socially induced psychosis!

  • @bloojkl4520
    @bloojkl4520 4 роки тому +7

    I feel immense pressure by the #girlboss movement to be extremely successful, independent, smart, interesting and of course beautiful. Obviously I think it’s great that we’re doing progress, but what if I can’t or don’t want to be all those things at the same time? I’m a human, not a robot.

  • @katherinepagan4860
    @katherinepagan4860 4 роки тому +12

    I like that she brought up that it's not always helpful to frame the "girlboss" narrative as women should be just like their male counterparts. While I'm all for assertive, take-no-prisoner, badass ladies, so much of American (traditionally masculine) workplace culture isn't empowered, it's just straight-up toxic and abusive. I want to see women succeed, but I hate seeing people promote the idea that being cut-throat, exploitative, and selfish are good "boss" practices. You're not a #girlboss if you support unfair labor practices, throw fellow employees under the bus, or insist people sacrifice their well-being like you did to get ahead - you're just another powerful asshole.

  • @patterbay
    @patterbay 4 роки тому +29

    Lindsay Ellis?!?!?!