When these situations hit, i engage water change, and more water change and then some more. i dont run ecotech MP pumps any more, i had 3 rust up, each time impacting my sps.
Sorry you are going through this issue Dmitry. I would consider trying Purit from Brightwell Aquatics as it works very well. I believe Canada does carry it because they’re in 50-60 countries.
This is a weird one. One thing I think though is that rusting equipment would not necessarily give you copper unless the piece of equipment itself was made from copper. One thing that cane to mind was that your system is in the basement. Do tou have ant exposed copper pipe above the tanks. I know a reefer that had a frag system in his basement with exposed pipe above the tank. There was condensation on the copper pipe that was dripping into his system causing all types of issues. Good luck.
Or maybe there’s something leaching copper into your source water… but wouldn’t that be removed by your rodi filter? Is there anything in your rodi filter that’s leaching copper??
Phosphate isn’t majorly high or anything to worry about , if going to increase add 0.5 of a table spoon rather than a full per dosage & see how you go, also try running some poly filter floss which can remove copper , I started running some just for peace of mind in case this situation happens. Good luck & hope the icp shows up something for you.
@@TreasureCorals Iron and iron oxide is chemically not the same though. GFO, which is used to remove phosphates, contains a form of iron oxid. Too much iron as the trace element can be harmfull, too much iron oxid is not. So don't worry about a rusty magnet or pump, it's not a problem.
I woukd try run n some brightwell purit then check your copper levels one of the things it's good for and designed for is removing copper. I've used it for quite a while now and have had a really good out come from it.
Thanks Dmitry I’m just waiting for my icp results same problems as you anacropora and acros losing skin . I’m checking my phone every hour for triton results to show up 👍
@@TreasureCorals no Dmitry bit low manganese and iodine as per usual, started dosing iodine everyday I have salifert test kit but icp says 0.48 mls per day . Also Barium was up so triton recommended al99 po4 remover to remove the barium. Po4 reading 0.038 at the minute 👍
No doubt someone has mentioned the use of bacteria already. Still, Telegraham went through something similiar I believe. His response was Dr. Tim's Eco-balance. For the 23 bucks in Canada, I'm gonna try it to help with other issues. If it can't hurt, maybe try the bacteria route. I'm not a fan of using something I don't know but all bacteria products are wrapped in mystery. So ...
@@TreasureCorals I have tried most of them for specific reasons. E.g., Zeovits Cyanoclean bacteria is great for cyano. Dr. Tim's Waste Away is great for water clarity. Brightwells MB7 is fine for overall lowering phosphates too. But for attacking other bad bacteria specifically, I'm going to try Eco-balance. I'm told these products have bacteria but also sources of carbon for accelerating the bacteria. Does this also help the bad bacteria? I don't know. Presumably if I dose it correctly it will out-compete the bad bacteria. If (when) my sps start to struggle I will also be doing a microbiomic test in addition to ICP, to see if there are any pathogens. In an emergency, I've also heard of people using chemiclean (same dosing as if to treat cyano) because it is an antibiotic and might help reset things. But I only have experience using it for cyano. The only other suggestion is Flatworm Stop (Zeovit) because it might help the sps "beef up" so to say. But that stuff ain't cheap. In short, if it was me (I would already be doing water changes, running carbon and adding metal absorbing media--cubrisorb--just in case) my first plan would be: (1) dose eco-balance (2) consider flatworm stop (3) ICP and bacteria testing and "maybe" (4) chemiclean if nothing works or things are going bad really fast. But, again, this bacteria stuff is so unknown we are all searching in the dark. Sorry to hear about your troubles.
That narrows things down that it can't be RO water. Did you mix new saltwater In the same container what u always have used? Just in case there could be contaminats in the container. Could it be contaminated salt? ( Unlikely but still possible ) anyhow something in process of mixing your saltwater must occur to contribute for copper to show up. ICP could confirm Hanna results so it could rule out faulty test kit results. Hope you will figure it out. I'm keeping an eye out for future updates. Best of luck.
Some copper is beneficial for coral photosynthesis. Im not sure if the levels you have are high enough to cause issues, but icp will tell. Good luck hope all gets resolved quickly
dont do anything until you get your icp tests. Hanna is fine but i wouldnt change anything just based on that because you dont have a baseline Cu reading when your tank was doing well.
@@TreasureCorals dmitry, have a look at the makeup of real natural sea water its has trace gold silver copper aluminium etc etc, you are beating yourself up too much
Jake adams runs a reef studio mate, i have nothing against him personally he is probably a nice guy, but he is just a highly sponsored mouthpiece for ecotech he wont even admit that the blue leds dont match in multiple units, my lfs where running multiple units and they tested what i said and they saw it for them selves and have now had to drop ecotech from thier sales as they had the same issue as i had and a few more of their customers who bought ecotech radions had the same problem, as for slight trace copper in a home reef when your running carbon skimmers gfo etc it shouldnt effect things, unless you have a piece of copper rusting in your actual water, ask a proper marine biologist he/she will clarify that natural ocean water where corals do the best contains loads of different elements 1 being copper 100% fact
Really don’t know as I’ve never used it before myself but I would think the best thing to do is just use it and retest🤷🏼♂️ Just know that it’s what everyone seems to use to take out copper. I don’t know if rowaphos does anything to remove copper…
@@petesreef1891 it said 250m for 500l to bring down copper by 12 ppm, or at least that's how I read it, so in theory it should bring it down nicely. I can always increase it as it is unlikely to do any harm
@@TreasureCorals understood of course but when I got into this hobby I purchased a fish from a fish store further south and it took a month or two for that fish to Breakout with any sign of it after I put it through a quarantine and everything it was perfectly fine it ate and all but for some reason I still lost several fish but I saved 4 out of 10. Was just trying to offer another idea of how copper could have possibly got into your system but either way I wish you the best of luck
@@TreasureCorals Use to work for my City univerity and pulled some string to get water analized in Lab, It was even a big brand . Sended them the results and they denied any possibilties (but i did get salt refunded ist that wierd)
When these situations hit, i engage water change, and more water change and then some more. i dont run ecotech MP pumps any more, i had 3 rust up, each time impacting my sps.
oh my. thanks for your advice on water changes
Sorry you are going through this issue Dmitry. I would consider trying Purit from Brightwell Aquatics as it works very well. I believe Canada does carry it because they’re in 50-60 countries.
Thank you, I'm trying Seachem Cuprisorb right now, will give it another day and re-test. But my newly mixed Reef Crystals is showing 0.02
@@TreasureCorals no problem. I found out that there are Brightwell distributors in Canada where you can purchase it.
This is a weird one. One thing I think though is that rusting equipment would not necessarily give you copper unless the piece of equipment itself was made from copper. One thing that cane to mind was that your system is in the basement. Do tou have ant exposed copper pipe above the tanks. I know a reefer that had a frag system in his basement with exposed pipe above the tank. There was condensation on the copper pipe that was dripping into his system causing all types of issues. Good luck.
OMG! I have not even thought about it, I'll double check, but I think all of my house plumbing is PEX.
Or maybe there’s something leaching copper into your source water… but wouldn’t that be removed by your rodi filter? Is there anything in your rodi filter that’s leaching copper??
@@MW-ut3dk My theory is that it was the pump I was using to move water from RODI container over to Saltwater container.
Glad the reefing hive mind helped.
that's one of the main reasons I run this channel for its reefing community :)
Phosphate isn’t majorly high or anything to worry about , if going to increase add 0.5 of a table spoon rather than a full per dosage & see how you go, also try running some poly filter floss which can remove copper , I started running some just for peace of mind in case this situation happens. Good luck & hope the icp shows up something for you.
thank you Darren! ICP test did come back
Rust = iron oxide = not toxic. Corals love growing on ship wrecks.
Agreed, I know of people who dose iron into their tanks, especially if you have chaeto. But what else could this be?
@@TreasureCorals Iron and iron oxide is chemically not the same though. GFO, which is used to remove phosphates, contains a form of iron oxid.
Too much iron as the trace element can be harmfull, too much iron oxid is not. So don't worry about a rusty magnet or pump, it's not a problem.
@@Harolddespui any thoughts or guesses on what could be the root cause for unexplained coral peeling?
@@TreasureCorals You got 200 times the amount of copper as in natural sea water so i would solve this to start with. 🙂
I woukd try run n some brightwell purit then check your copper levels one of the things it's good for and designed for is removing copper. I've used it for quite a while now and have had a really good out come from it.
Check out my follow up video, I'm even more confused now.
Thanks Dmitry I’m just waiting for my icp results same problems as you anacropora and acros losing skin . I’m checking my phone every hour for triton results to show up 👍
what are the results? any insight?
@@TreasureCorals no Dmitry bit low manganese and iodine as per usual, started dosing iodine everyday I have salifert test kit but icp says 0.48 mls per day . Also Barium was up so triton recommended al99 po4 remover to remove the barium. Po4 reading 0.038 at the minute 👍
Which hanna tester are you using? (Low or high range)?
High Range
Get some of these. Purit - Complete Chemical Filtration (250 ml) - Brightwell
Thanks, I'll see if they are available in Canada
No doubt someone has mentioned the use of bacteria already. Still, Telegraham went through something similiar I believe. His response was Dr. Tim's Eco-balance. For the 23 bucks in Canada, I'm gonna try it to help with other issues. If it can't hurt, maybe try the bacteria route. I'm not a fan of using something I don't know but all bacteria products are wrapped in mystery. So ...
Thank you for the advice. I see that there's a bunch of different strains - 261, 461, one and only. Which one are you going with and why?
@@TreasureCorals I have tried most of them for specific reasons. E.g., Zeovits Cyanoclean bacteria is great for cyano. Dr. Tim's Waste Away is great for water clarity. Brightwells MB7 is fine for overall lowering phosphates too. But for attacking other bad bacteria specifically, I'm going to try Eco-balance. I'm told these products have bacteria but also sources of carbon for accelerating the bacteria. Does this also help the bad bacteria? I don't know. Presumably if I dose it correctly it will out-compete the bad bacteria. If (when) my sps start to struggle I will also be doing a microbiomic test in addition to ICP, to see if there are any pathogens. In an emergency, I've also heard of people using chemiclean (same dosing as if to treat cyano) because it is an antibiotic and might help reset things. But I only have experience using it for cyano. The only other suggestion is Flatworm Stop (Zeovit) because it might help the sps "beef up" so to say. But that stuff ain't cheap. In short, if it was me (I would already be doing water changes, running carbon and adding metal absorbing media--cubrisorb--just in case) my first plan would be: (1) dose eco-balance (2) consider flatworm stop (3) ICP and bacteria testing and "maybe" (4) chemiclean if nothing works or things are going bad really fast.
But, again, this bacteria stuff is so unknown we are all searching in the dark.
Sorry to hear about your troubles.
So, did you retest your source water and saltwater after removing the pump(s)? What number did you get?
I just did. Freshly mixed is 0.02 ppm. RO water is zero.
That narrows things down that it can't be RO water. Did you mix new saltwater In the same container what u always have used? Just in case there could be contaminats in the container. Could it be contaminated salt? ( Unlikely but still possible ) anyhow something in process of mixing your saltwater must occur to contribute for copper to show up. ICP could confirm Hanna results so it could rule out faulty test kit results. Hope you will figure it out. I'm keeping an eye out for future updates. Best of luck.
Some copper is beneficial for coral photosynthesis. Im not sure if the levels you have are high enough to cause issues, but icp will tell. Good luck hope all gets resolved quickly
thanks Vinny, got my ICP back
@@TreasureCorals ya I saw the update vid. Could be bacterial.
dont do anything until you get your icp tests. Hanna is fine but i wouldnt change anything just based on that because you dont have a baseline Cu reading when your tank was doing well.
you are a smart reefer! I just got my icp back
i think rust is ferrous oxide , not copper right ?
Yes, so I'm even more at a loss
Did some Googling; ocean water contains around 0.25 ppB copper (which is 0.00025 ppm).
Right, so when copper is at 0.05 ppm - that's a lot higher, no?
@@TreasureCorals Yes, it is 200 times the amount. (0.05 : 200 = 0.00025)
Every system has trace copper trace metals and all sorts of stuff in the water, i dont think thats your issue dmitry, hope you get it sorted though
Hmm!! :)
@@TreasureCorals dmitry, have a look at the makeup of real natural sea water its has trace gold silver copper aluminium etc etc, you are beating yourself up too much
Jake adams runs a reef studio mate, i have nothing against him personally he is probably a nice guy, but he is just a highly sponsored mouthpiece for ecotech he wont even admit that the blue leds dont match in multiple units, my lfs where running multiple units and they tested what i said and they saw it for them selves and have now had to drop ecotech from thier sales as they had the same issue as i had and a few more of their customers who bought ecotech radions had the same problem, as for slight trace copper in a home reef when your running carbon skimmers gfo etc it shouldnt effect things, unless you have a piece of copper rusting in your actual water, ask a proper marine biologist he/she will clarify that natural ocean water where corals do the best contains loads of different elements 1 being copper 100% fact
Try seachem cuprisorb, Triton detox, or polyfilter , or some combination of the three to get rid of the copper… keep us updated.
Just bought and added 250ml of Cuprisorb in a filter bag. Think this is enough?
Really don’t know as I’ve never used it before myself but I would think the best thing to do is just use it and retest🤷🏼♂️
Just know that it’s what everyone seems to use to take out copper. I don’t know if rowaphos does anything to remove copper…
@@TreasureCorals doesn’t that only do 500 litres Dmitry ? I only think this as mine is 900 and I had to get the bigger one
@@petesreef1891 it said 250m for 500l to bring down copper by 12 ppm, or at least that's how I read it, so in theory it should bring it down nicely. I can always increase it as it is unlikely to do any harm
Could it possibly be from a copper treated or quarantined fish that was exposed to treatment 🐟 🤔?
I have never used copper and the fish I have all go through another staged aquarium for a week at least
@@TreasureCorals understood of course but when I got into this hobby I purchased a fish from a fish store further south and it took a month or two for that fish to Breakout with any sign of it after I put it through a quarantine and everything it was perfectly fine it ate and all but for some reason I still lost several fish but I saved 4 out of 10. Was just trying to offer another idea of how copper could have possibly got into your system but either way I wish you the best of luck
@@davidhartman2081 really appreciate it, it does make sense to turn every stone
Got a issue myself wghen icp came back with copper , problem came from a batch of salt
Ouch, how do you know it was the salt?
@@TreasureCorals Use to work for my City univerity and pulled some string to get water analized in Lab, It was even a big brand . Sended them the results and they denied any possibilties (but i did get salt refunded ist that wierd)
check your mp40 shafts! :D
You are freaking me out, what about the shafts? I thought the magnets had a potential of leaking, what could be the shaft's fault?
@@TreasureCorals check the shafts and check the magnets!
I had a shaft absolutely covered in rust
Cuprisorb
Thanks! Just got it at the store 1 hour ago and have added 250ml in a filter bag.