The Power of the Doctor - a rambling review of the 13th Doctor's final episode
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Jodie Whittaker arrives at the end of the tenure. The final chance for Chris Chibnall to leave his mark on the franchise. How will it all end? Let's find out.
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My assumption was that the regenerating clothing was there specifically as a signal that there was something not quite right about this regeneration. I could have assumed maybe it was just a stylistic flourish they'd decided to do-but it feels very deliberate in light of the fact that the outfit *didn't* change earlier in the same story when it was the Master. That inconsistency feels like we were meant to notice it.
My initial fear was that it will turn out to be an illusion; that is, she really has regenerated into Ncuti, but he and we are seeing DT because some force wants us to. I was hoping that wasnt the case, as that would be cheating us of Ncuti's debut performance, but I've seen RTD quotes where he's outright calling DT "the fourteenth Doctor" and Ncuti "The Fifteenth Doctor", sooo...I dunno.
@@HandofOmega I read that David will be the 14th doctor for three episodes next year and then Ncuti will take over. I would rather have seen David longer than three episodes but ah well it is what it is.
@@prinzezze I'll charitably assume that McGann had other commitments that would have prevented him from doing a few episodes.
Yup. This is a weird, wrong regeneration. Signaled by the fact that the Doctor regenerated into a past form, *and* that somehow his clothes regenerated too.
My thought is that they just didn't want to show David Tennant in "drag" (even though Jodie's outfit is pretty sexless).
The moment I realised that “The Power of the Doctor” was her friends my heart melted and I was giddy with joy, the one thing the doctor has that the master doesn’t is someone to carry her back to the tardis and it was just so emotionally resonant I had a wonderful time
I'd sussed that out when the early leaks of Ace and Teagan coming back hit. It’s an extention of the end of Season 3's "Journey's End". Davros accuses the Doctor with the hypocrisy for making his companions into weapons. This gives us the flip side...some of his Companions may have a love hate relationship, but they are still devoted to him.
I adored the bit with 7 and Ace. Seven was "my" Doctor, and he's splendid to see him still unbroken.
Hear hear!
@@dashfatbastard 4's* not 3's.
I also noticed this and loved it. I have thought "so what does the title mean?" and then went "Oh! Ohhhhhhhhhhh"...
The true Power of the Doctor was the friends made along the way :')
I'm just so amazed that we got one of the ORIGINAL companions back. I can remember watching that very first episode live in my youth and getting to know Ian ... and there he still is, aged 97 and still immediately recognisable....
That's so cool to be able to recall that! I always wonder about that first generation of fans...like, did you know the first regerenation was coming or was that a complete surprise? How long did it take you to get used to it? Did you "grow out" of the show at a certain point and only get back into it later, or did you actually watch every episode up to the current day?
As to Ian, I loved seeing him, but kinda wish they'd given him a bit more to say...
I'm so glad they finally got him back before it was too late.
It was great to see him but would have been interesting to see the doctor actually meet him, meet one of their first companions
I've watched the show from that first episode. It was very emotional to see Ian! I've always watched the show, I've seen every episode. I never anticipated the first regeneration.....mind blown when that happened but soon got into the second doctor. I've got high hopes for the future of the series.
@@peterthompson1989 I think that would have broken all of us. In the best possible way, mind you, but I know I'd have been a sobbing, grinning mess if that had happened.
It was lovely seeing Ian!! William Russell will be 98 next month, so it was a big surprise to me that he showed up here. One of my favorite companion actors fun facts is that he is the father of Alfred Enoch, who was born when William was 64.
Who played Dean Thomas in Harry Potter!
(I love watching Alfred Enoch too from "How to get away with murder" to National Theatre Live 's "Coroilanus".) It was great but bitter sweet seeing William Russell especially since I'd just read on twitter that he died today.
@@julieharris4700 Might be fake those rumours.
I loved watching Alfred Enoch grow up in Harry Potter, and then seeing him in HTGAWM. It was interesting because the older he got, the more like his father he looked. Something in the eyes and the set of the chin. I'd love to see him in Doctor Who some day.
@@citrinedragonfly Maybe as a Companion?
Like Father, Like son...
I was so shocked to see Ian again. It just feels cathartic to have someone who traveled with the 1st Doctor talk to 13’s companion.
I did not recognise him while watching. But than read it was him that is so heartwarming. The very first ❤️❤️❤️❤️. I watched many of his episodes. He and Barbara were great
@@stephjovi Did you think Dodo was a good replacement for Susan? How shocked were you by the first regeneration, or did you already know that was happening? Have you consistenly watched the show since then, or did you miss some eps here and there?
(I really feel like some youtuber (hint, hint!) should seek out the first gen of Whovians and solicit their remembrances!)
@@HandofOmega I'm 41 and not British. I watched some classic who a few years ago. And still try to find some here and there. So definitely not first generation I first watched it around 2007 when it first aired on German TV. Susan was constantly screaming so I wasn't mad when she left.
@@HandofOmega Dodo wasn't a good replacement for anyone, but it was actually Vicki who came in after Susan left, with a special two-episode adventure ("The Rescue") that was basically all about introducing her as a new crew member. I mean, I've only seen this stuff on DVD. Power of the Daleks is Troughton's first story, and I think it's really well written, and well worth anyone watching, even though it's one of the missing stories, and the DVD is a cartoon reconstruction (which some people don't like). The extras on that DVD talk about how the BBC handled the first regeneration. Basically, they publicised the story by talking about the Daleks, and just not mentioning that they had recast the lead role, plus Power of the Daleks was actually the 3rd story in the 4th season, although in those early days the show had around 40-odd episodes per season, so was only off the air for 5 or 6 weeks each year, so the "season breaks" were less noticeable in the early years.
@@HandofOmega I've been watching since 1963 when I was 11.
“I wish it was the finale of a better run of shows” is the truest statement I have heard all week.
The part that hit me hardest was definitely the little group at the end. While the Doctor takes her last quiet moments to herself, we see something that made me happier than almost any other meeting of companions than ever before; just them coming together and bonding over their shared experience, and being able to laugh and mourne in such a unique way but in a way that's so normal and human, not to mention I smiled when I saw Jo, joyfully chuckled when I saw Mel, and genuinely gasped when I saw Ian. These people, the friends and loved ones left behind, they are the power of the Doctor (which I'm also glad they opted not to literally spell out in the dialogue). And that was the perfect note to end on before having our last moment with 13, with a stunning view, beautiful use of her theme and the most wonderfully playful last line.
Chibnal's era has been a mess, but this special reminded me that he is capable of writing good Doctor Who. And it also left me very much sad to see Jodie Whiattaker leave the part and desperately wishing she'd had a better run of series
I'm so happy that you liked this story so much! I know you've wanted to like Whittaker's run for so long. I just saw the special via Amazon Prime, and it was, for me, perfect and brilliant. So many in-jokes and references that didn't detract from the plot, but that made me smile. The Master's brief interactions with Tegan and Ace were brilliant! The Master in general was brilliant, as was the Doctor. And I also cried with Sylvester and Sophie. McCoy is *my* Doctor, and he and Ace are *my* team TARDIS, and so finding out finally how Ace left, and having her get to apologize and him get to apologize, it was so wonderful! I cried at the end as well, when I realized what Graham and Dan were doing, and saw just who was sitting there. I cried seeing Ian there, and hearing him speak. Getting William Russell back for that little cameo was so lovely! And Jo! And Mel! The only thing I think that would have made me cry more would have been for one of the Bannerman Road crew to be there, too. I know this won't be for everyone, but it was for you, and for me, and a lot of the fans of older Who as well as Whittaker's run, and it was FUN. We differ on opinions of the 13th Doctor's era, but I will agree that if more episodes had been structured as carefully as this one, it would have been a stronger era (I loved it and think it's good overall, so for me that would just be turning good into great). And Kate! And the parachuting into the TARDIS! There were so many moments that made me squee while watching.
I'm not too thrilled about the regeneration into Tennant, either, but what's making it work for me is the fact that the Doctor thinks something's wrong. They realize this isn't supposed to happen. So I'm assuming the 60th will focus on that, and then we'll get a proper 14th with Gatwa. But no downers! Not for me, not right now. I am happily celebrating that every companion in the Chibnall era left on their own terms (more or less), and accepted that it was time to move on. Companions chose to move on rather than having to be forced out. And the Doctor's final words were brilliant, and completely fitting for Whittaker. Such a beautiful end to a wonderful episode and wonderful run.
I really enjoyed the heck out of this. I did love when the “Fifth Doctor” saying “Adric” and then “ brave heart”.
Also, "I missed you." And he said it back.
I didn't really understand why he said, "Adric" here. I know when 5 regenerated he said it as an apology/sadness at a companion's death, but I don't really understand the relevance here.
@@Here_is_Waldo Tegan asked the Doctor what she would be thinking about. He said Adric. Adric was a youth who started traveling with the Fourth Doctor and Romana. And Adric died, trying to figure out a mathematical lock on a bomb on a spaceship, but the ship was actually traveling in time and was part of the event that killed the dinosaurs on Earth. That incident also involved the Cybermen. Does this make it clearer why Tegan would remember him? She originally wandered onto the TARDIS thinking it was a police box, only to eventually find the Doctor and Adric, and they traveled together (along with Nyssa of Traken) for some time. As if to add salt to Adric's death, he had been arguing with the Doctor and said he wanted to leave the TARDIS. It wasn't the last thing he said to the Doctor, but it was pretty darn close.
Yes, the story is a mess, but every emotional beat works and there are so many good bits here:
I love that Chibnall let companions just leave.
There was no brain melting or forcing them to leave.
All the 13th's companions acted like grownups.
Wether on purpose or not, Chibnall gave us enough, that we can head canon away the timeless child, if we want (and I do want to)
I'm going to miss Jodi. Her era was hit or miss, as they all are, but she was a solid Doctor.
It was so nice to have a Doctor that liked being the Doctor.
RTD sometimes got away with plots that were a mess because his characters were strong enough to make you not care. This might be as close as Chibnall has ever got to pulling off the same thing.
Chibnall already stated in DWM that the mystery of the timeless child and the fobwatch wasn't ever going to be answered. He added it in to "add mystery in the show", his words not mine.
It'll never be brought up, RTD won't mention it again.
I never watched classic who, but I still loved seeing all the faces. I loved the interactions between Tegan and Ace and their respective doctors. I loved how clearly emotionally loaded it was for them. You didn’t have to know anything about classic who in order to enjoy those moments and to feel the weight of them. I LOVED that we got to see Jo Martin again. This is my favorite episode from Chibnall’s run 😂😂😂 it was so so so bad, and this last farewell doesn’t make up for that, but I’m glad to see all of them go out in such an amazing way
*Chibnall:* "I told you Mr. Baker, I sent you the email, I gave all the living Classic Doctors the invite, you gotta check the spam folder!"
A small thing: I'm absolutely delighted that Ace said, "Last time I saw you, you were half-cat."
"A man's allowed to experiment" was a great comeback to that, too. xD
Honestly I think one thing I adore about this special is that pretty much all the fan service was actually set up to be tied into the story.
Example, I loved how in the doctor’s sub conscious the first one she meets is her first incarnation (Harnell’s doctor,) and then the 8th. (paul McGann.).
While I’m not super familiar with the with the 6th and 7th doctor. What I love is its fan service but thematically its set up beautifully since those points were incredibly important for The Doctor’s life. I always hated mindless fan service so them actually setting it up to have a place is honestly awesome!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Seriously.
Hate to be *that guy*, because I didn't... Sadly. Tried to go in with an open mind, I swear. Like, I wasn't focussed on the hang-ups of wrapping stuff up. In fact... I think the reason why a lot of this didn't work for me, was because of that, almost? Like I didn't really care for the lack of closure, because half the stuff I didn't *care* about in the first place - and by that same token, I didn't... Really care about any of the appearances in this episode itself.
The classic era stuff I'm unfamiliar with; the Chibnall era stuff I've always wanted to like, but pretty much all of the characters have been so flat that I can't care either. Thus, it was kind of just watching people run around in chaos...? I think if I did care about one or the other, maybe this would have made it enjoyable to me but... Ultimately, it doesn't work when half the people you're unfamiliar with, and the other half are kinda just cardboard cutouts to you (sorry, that's a bit harsh, but yeah) because what you're kind of left with is a really messy story. Like a really messy one... Lots of just random ideas that surface but aren't really explored within the episode to any satisfactiory conclusion, that keep intercutting each other. And a lot of those ideas WERE interesting (the Master forcing her regen? cool!) but not explored properly: just raised, then dropped, or sustained but not developed, which just felt frustrating to me.
I liked Sacha's performance, though. I wish there could have been more focus on him, personally. Also liked Yaz's goodbye, actually. She really grew on me, and I feel like that's partially just the *idea* of her rather than the actual character but yeah.
(... ALSO, mentally? I know I'm trying not to touch the Tennant thing. It pisses me off that he's "14", regardless of how they play it, but I'm gonna try to keep an open mind because I do want to put my faith into whatever RTD's vision is - maybe it'll be worth it, in the end. Do hope so! Ncuti looks bloody great in the teaser.)
My husband and I had the exact same reaction. I think there's plenty of ideas that were loose ends from previous episodes that could have played into this episode's story and strengthened the motivations for a lot of the unexplored ideas that seemingly came out of nowhere. They could have been grounded in the setup that we already have but is not fleshed out enough to be good, but alas, we just had all of those dropped for good and just more unexplored ideas.
as someone who has only seen the new era, i got teary eyed at the classic companions and doctors reuniting, such a great moment
I think you have summed up how most of us probably felt. I did feel good after all these years, and I too enjoyed jodies final line.
"Doctor Whoever-you-are: tag! You're it." was a beautiful line to end on!
I love the idea that the power the Doctor has is their companions-very cool. Does anyone else want to see an Ace and Graham Defend the Earth miniseries? Also want to see more Jo Martin-Moffat could write a time paradox episode that ends up making her from the future instead of the past.
Personally I'm happy to just imagine further Ace and Graham adventures. The nebulous possibilities seem better than anything they could put to screen.
What do you mean about Jo Martin? Why would you want a paradox episode that makes her from the future instead of the past? That would fit basically nothing we've learnt about her.
I feel like part of the reason he never ended up doing anything with The Timeless Child arc was literally because of the intense and immediate backlash from a huge swath of the people who watch Doctor Who. Most people, even diehard fans, really REALLY hated it as a plot element and part of the Doctor's backstory. It ruins the mystery of the Doctor and turns them into a completely different character and it also exists as a bastardization hybrid of the Brain of Morbius plot hook and the Cartmel Masterplan from Classic.
I mean, we could also theorize that he was told to shelve the idea from the higher ups at the BBC following the episode's release and reception - but we'll likely never know if that was the case.
A retcon that I’d really like to see in the future is the idea that The Master is the Timeless Child. I feel like it would really complicate their relationship in an interesting way. The Doctor’s entire existence is owed to the awful things that were done to this child. It could also be a neat way to retroactively make the continued reappearance of The Master “work better” from a logistical point of view.
I actually thought it was cool that the Timeless Child tied back to the Brain of Morbius thing, but thematically yeah it really sucks. Flux and this did build on the fact that the Doctor had a life before Hartnell (this one to a lesser extent, albeit), but I agree that it's probably better off left as one of those huge sci-fi retcons that never resolves because it's dumb lol. Into the bin with the Paradigm daleks and the eye-goop monsters
I just realized that, in addition to TTC, the whole fuss over Time is also never resolved, either...Didn't Time tell the Doctor that she was going to die soon, with no hope of regeneration or something like that? But yeah, TTC is worse than a bad idea, it *actively damages* the DW property, which is why I disagree when some say it should just be ignored. This is FAR greater than the Doc being half-human, this NEEDS to be actively retconned away, in order for the show to work as it once did...unfortunately, I think RTD will probably feel the need to not step on another showrunners' toes, and will, at best, just ignore it.
Are we going to talk about how Jo Martin appears as a hologram but not as part of the merge Doctor consciousness and what that implies?
Given how many other Doctors don't appear as part of the merged consciousness (including multiple who are alive and available) I would say that anything you think it implies about her it also implies about a ton of others. Which is why I feel it implies nothing.
@@CouncilofGeeks That would be fine if she didn't appear in the episode at all like the other alive Doctors who didn't appear, but she did which makes it even more confusing to me.
I find it so funny that I’ve only watched one full episode of Doctor Who in my life but I ran to watch your review 😂
Chibnall gets an A for effort on this one, but there are plot holes that pulled me out of the episode. I don't know why a third of it was set in Siberia. The fact that the weird alien disguised itself as a little girl is an unnecessary detail. I don't think Vinder really needed to be in this episode, and I think it might've been better that Graeme didn't show up until the end.
On the other hand, Sacha Dhawan is owning his part once again. Mandip Gill is acting her arse off towards the end. The lone Cyberman is still cool. Jodie was actually better in the part than ever before, and the episode was very energetic overall.
I thought it was a mixed bag, but I'll tip my hat to the fact that Chibnall blew his creative load on it.
I loved the moment when the hologram-doctor talked to Tegan and mentioned Adric
I’m completely against Tennant playing a new doctor. So I’m hoping the explanation ends up being something like, the forced regeneration and then degeneration messed with her biology and caused another weird degeneration where she (or I guess he now) now has to figure out how to correct things and get to his actual next regeneration.
The actual episode was fantastic imo, yes the plot was chaos and didn’t always make sense but I’d rather Doctor who was entertaining above all else than laser focused on making perfect sense. And Dhawan really has become one of my favourite masters and I hope RTD brings him back somehow. The concept of the Master forcing the doctor to regenerate into him is an idea with a lot of promise and probably deserved a more focused storyline than a finale that’s doing so much else too. It’s probably Chibnall’s best idea he’s had so at least he saved that for last.
This obviously wasn’t a perfect episode and the recasting of Tennant/Gatwa being in the next time trailer as his first glimpse does tick me off. Gatwa should’ve gotten his regeneration scene as his introduction imo and I do not like that Tennant is not only coming back but is also taking what should’ve been Gatwa’s moment. But I enjoyed it quite a lot overall.
Liked that Tennant ran his hand across his hip-a subtle way for the Doctor to confirm his physical form is masculine again.
The latest theory I've heard is that the 60th Anniversary Special will involve the Psychic Circus from The Greatest Show in the Galaxy. Basically the Doctor regenerating back into 10 will be the result of powerful God-like beings who destroy anyone who fails to entertain them. If this is the case then it's very meta.
He doesn't "become" the doctor, though. He just gets her clothes. He's still the master, he still has his personality and thoughts and memories.
I commented yesterday that one thing about Chibnall's writing is that never sits on the peak of the bell curve.
I really enjoyed this. I didnt really care that the Timeless Child stuff wasn't dealt with - as you said, it would have muddied the already packed plotlines. Everything was dealt with nicely, and Jodie's doctor bowed out in a great way. I would hope that we get some kind of explanation as to why we had the David Tennant regeneration (maybe something to do with the fob watch hidden in the Tardis?) - but not overly worried if it doesn't. Nice little surprises all the way through - LOVED Tegan and Ace, and also liked that the companions weren't killed off, possibly leaving the door open (Hello RTD!!) to bring them back at some point. Sasha's Master was insidious and crazy - and I loved that!! Also kinda unhinged (more than before we could say) Is this the last we see of the Master?? What say you? All in all - an enjoyable finale. Well worth the extra 24 hour wait in Australia.
The S12 finale/Timeless Child reveal is essentially Act 1 of _Flux_. It's there to set up Tecteun, the Division, etc. and Flux explores those, so it doesn't really make sense to say it went nowhere. Chibnall probably _was_ going to do more with it if he had another season, but even without that _Flux_ brings the reveal to a reasonable conclusion: The Doctor had discovered her secret history with Tecteun and the Division, and has now confronted them about it, resolved that, and come to terms with that chapter of her past.
The very first regeneration, Hartnell to Troughton, regenerated the clothes too - after that he found the clothes after regenerating. The Whittaker to Tennant change may not be all it appears given who the villain is believed to be.
Chibnall really threw literally everything at this. I really enjoyed it. it was exciting and thrilling. The cameos made me smile and while I wasn't too happy about the regeneration it has certainly built up some mystery and intrigue.
Funny, I got more Russel T vibes from it
Basically, I watched my first Who in the 70s and it was the last season of the Pertwee era (I was very young). I watched it all the way through. And I loved Jodie and I loved this episode.
This was Spider-Man: No Way Home for Who fans. It was awesome!
17:58 honestly... I don't wanna be so arrogant that I make this call now, but I honestly do think 13 is gonna end up being one of those Doctors like 6 and 7 who's runs are retroactively fixed by Big Finish. I think 13's biggest issue was the huge aesthetic/tonal course-correction after her first season (which I still think is her best) to appease people so enraged about a lack of a "big season-arc," and I honestly wish we'd gotten that _mysterious wandering_ tone throughout her whole run intstead of the big switch to season arcs.
I think a big finish run full of one-off stories, more in the vein of her first season (set between "Flux" and her finale) would be great, because it would better act on the amazing potential we got in her first season (and especially first episode) and also allow an opportunity to explore Checkov's guns that never got explored in the show (her teased romance with Yaz and a more meaningfully concluded character-arc/built-up exit for Dan being the chief ones).
I honestly think it just feels so natural, like, 6's Big Finish run was great in that it resolved the hanging Checkov's gun of both the Valeyard and his eventually intended shift toward being less abrasive, taking something that didn't work _because it was never completed_ and completing it. Ditto for 7, via adapting his abandoned Season 27 story "Thin Ice" which reveals his intention for (SPOILERS) -Ace to become a Time Lord- (END OF SPOILERS), thus making all the set-up tension in his relationship with Ace actually culminate in something. I personally think 5's TV run is good enough by itself without the Big Finish audios, as long as you start with "Earthshock" and just skip the bad episodes (bar "Terminus" and "King's Demons"), but even if you DO find his run unsatisfying he has more build-up to things like Ace and Nyssa leaving.
13 just feels like a Doctor who needs that retroactive resolution, to act on Checkov's guns that weren't resolved or completed during her run in the show. Obviously I don't expect them to do the Timeless Child, but her relationship to Tecteun as mother figure? Her history with the Division, who's presumably still TOed with her? Her romance with Yaz? Presumably the Flux and Timeless Child seem like they're going to get more explored or resolved in RTD era 2, but for everything else PLEASE give us a retroactive "Series 13b" that explores them!!
If the master changes the doctors body to his own and the doctors mind to his own, in what way is that still the doctor? For all intents and purposes, that’s just the master. Isn’t that like changing the broom and the broom handle at once? All he inherited was the doctors clothes that he changed immediately. I’m don’t think I’m being thick here but isn’t this basic metaphysics? the ship of Theseus and all that.
Yeah, that confused me as well.
Yep. You’re right; it is basic metaphysics.
Does that mean that we can give an answer as to whether this is “the same Doctor but regenerated into the Master” i.e. “the same ship with all boards replaced”?
Of course not, this is Metaphysics. Nothing has a straightforward answer
The one thing I found kind of amusing about the regeneration scene is how shallow it makes Yaz look. At the very end The Doctor is like I’m going to change now and Yaz is like bye and Doctor is like bye. And all of this is code for “Yaz you don’t fit into our plan for next year so bye”.
That was so odd! Nothing says Yas *has* to leave, plenty of companions have traveled with two Doctors...I felt like I missed something!
@@HandofOmega it’s because she isn’t coming back they had to write her out and if she had seen the new Doctor and went bye it would have made her look so shallow and stupid to an extent she couldn’t see it. What I would say doesn’t work is the ice cream that should have been the Fam. And they all decide to leave at once to give The Doctor space because the Doctor says I need to be alone.
I despised the Chibnall era but this episode... this episode was actually really good. I mean it wasn't perfect but honestly the imperfections weren't too distracting so I got to just enjoy the episode and watch the regeneration feeling less critical than I was expecting.
You know, I have kinda realised, it is kinda damning on Chibnall that the BBC/Bad Wolf/RTD have come to the conclusion that in order to get the show back to previous viewership levels in order to have the best foundational start for a new era, is to bring back an old Doctor was a ratings success.
I'm not gonna act like the Capaldi era ended on solid ground ratings wise, ratings were down, but compared to the decline in viewership seen during the Chibnall era its astounding (I'm not gonna blame Jodie for it fully because the writing did her no favours).
Goodbye Chibnall, no one will miss you. Goodbye Jodie, you deserved better (Here's hoping Big Finish can give you some decent stuff)
The cameos were quite contrived but it was great to see all those guys back and not have them ruined.
What’s interesting is that they are explicitly referring to Tennant now as the 14th doctor, and not just the 10th. So I feel like this wierd new version of Tennant is going to have a pretty different arc over the 3 specials compared to 10. At least he should, or there wouldn’t be a point to bringing him back in this capacity.
Also, this was the best episode I’ve seen since probably world enough and time.
yeah that is weird for me. That would mean we have the 14th doctor for 3 episodes. Also something is off to this regenerate since the clothes changes also, so I think there more then just revisiting old faces.
I think it’ll definitely be addressed that this regeneration is not normal, hence the revisiting of the old face. The clothes changing seems to indicate that to me. Plus the Doctor even reacts as though something is very wrong.
Honestly i hope whatever they do, the regen isnt shown, skip an unknown amount of time at the end showing him having just regened from something unknown into ncuti's doctor, heck then it can either be expanded upon in further stuff or audio books aha
Idk i just really love tennant as an actor and would love more with him.
I didn’t realize how much I missed good Doctor Who until this episode.
The clothes regenerating isn't exactly something new. It did happen once before in Doctor Who. It happened during the 1st-2nd Dr's regeneration back in 1966 and hadn't happened again since until the 13-14/10.3(?) Regeneration... Maybe the 1st and 13th Doctor both had a cloaking device on them... lol ;) (I'm hoping the Valeyard will turn up soon, especially if he returns for the 60th, though I'm uncertain that'll happen, people tend to dismiss the Valyard as a 'boring' villain and shouldn't 'ever' return but they often don't see past his 'Trial of a Timelord' appearance and assume he'll be the same as he was back then... that's kind of like saying the original Master was boring, so he can't return after the 3rd Dr's run (not that he ever was boring, mind, I'm just using him as a loose example, considering how differently the other actors since had played that character through the years, if that makes any sense..?)
i never saw classic who but i was very touched by the doctors-companions holo reunions!!
Doctor&Master switching place in the War Master series was also great if anybody wants to check it out
The first regeneration also involved a costume change. That was unexplained, and they probably thought better of it, and didn't do it thereafter; this time, I imagine whatever made the Doctor revisit an old face, e.g. the Celestial Toymaker's intercession, explains the clothes.
In the regeneration from Hartnell to Troughton, it is the same clothes. Troughton then goes "off stage" and changes. Also, there's, in my view, a much less dramatic change from the clothes Hartnell had at the end to Troughton's than with any other Doctor selecting a new look.
This episode confirmed to me that Sacha Dhawan is 100% my favourite Master.
I got the feeling that the only reason the Master impersonated Rasputin for the trap was so he could use that specific song. I mean it's not like he had to be Rasputin in order to lure the Doctor into a trap.
I wonder if there's a special significance to the "Ha ha ha ha ha" TARDIS being a Type 75 or if they just picked the number at random.
Didn't expect to see Graham back, but it was nice to see him again... though a little curious as to why no Ryan - was the actor unavailable or what?
Kate Lethbridge Stewart is always a win for me, and Ace was amazing.
Retrogenerating into David Tennant took me by surprise as I'd managed to avoid spoilers.
I'd have to check the "next time" bit again, but was that Matt Smith as the top-hat-wearing mime? If so, that suggests a possible Valeyard story.
yeah Tosin Cole was filming something in America
Loved the episode. The only things that not didnt like but- idk, were I was disappointed by the traitor dalek not being rusty coz I got so overexcited about the prospect of it being rusty my dog left the room. And also I felt it was really clear why Yaz left the Tardis because it didn’t seem like she wanted to stop travelling and there wasn’t anything specific said by 13 to suggest why she wouldn’t want to carry Yaz over like Rose and Clara
That episode was a real Whos Who.
I guessed that Tennant would say What? 3 times, but that didn’t feel like much of a prediction.
I wasn’t on board with Dhawan’s Master at first, because he felt like a step backwards after Missy, but I loved him in this. When he left the Doctor’s body, did it sound like he was saying “I erased your daughter” to anyone else? What do you think he meant by that?
This felt like an epic anniversary episode where the Doctor just so happened to die. Imagine Davison or Smith’s Doctors dying (almost randomly) at the end of the 20 and 50th specials.
My ideal regeneration story should feel like the Doctor’s death is both imminent but also the only way this story could satisfactorily end. The Doctor surviving War Games, Planet of Spiders, Logopolis, Caves of Androzani, Parting of the Ways, End of Time, Time of the Doctor, and The Doctor Falls would feel anticlimactic. However, the Whittaker Doctor could’ve flown off for more adventures after this episode with only minor changes to the script.
The ep. felt like a very Ambitious Ambushes of emotions and I honestly feel it fell flat. It has a good ep. but overall, I think this showrunner has failed the Doctor's history. If you ignore EVERYTHING in the past and just take it as it was then I was an ok ep. But if you compare the other doctors (new era) regeneration it’s the worst one from the new who. It's like the showrunner watched the 10th doctor regeneration and tried to duplicate it and failed. It left me with more questions than answers but I’m happy that this is over and I’m looking forward to the New Doctor. Great Video. S/O to Boney M. I Love that song.
The clever thing to do with this tenant doctor is to have the regeneration be unstable, maybe have him flip to other doctors during the run before the proper regen stabilizes him.
Plot was a little frenetic, cluttered and messy, and much like a number of Chibnall-era stories, it suffered from characters proving surplus to requirements (Vinder in this instance) but it definitely felt like it was pulling out all the stops to be a right crowdpleaser, not just to say farewell to Jodie, but to also honour the show's past given it's the Beeb's centenary. Sacha definitely stole the show here and I think I can definitely consider him my favourite modern Master; his dancing to Boney M firmly cemented that. Not my favourite post-05 regen story, that would be Capaldi's, but a worthy end to what even I would agree has been rather a tumultuous era.
I loved this episode and cried alot throughout. I'm not even that invested in classic who but I love what I've seen, especially 7 and ace. But I think this episode will get alot of people who aren't into classic who curious about why these moments are so big.
And the support group thing is SO GOOD. I think it's an idea that they've played with before but not seriously and it was perrrrrfect here.
I liked chibs more than most but the fact that the last few episodes were really good (at least to me) make me wonder what chibs could have done if covid hadn't happened. Or at the very least what a Moffat run in the time of covid would have looked like.
It's morning for but pretty sure it's still Sunday at least at the very west of the world
The regeneration of the clothes has been done before when the 1st Doctor regenerated into the 2nd Doctor
on first watch, I loved it but I’ll see how I feel after a second watch
@@PaulusAlone Nope, I don’t have nostalgia for anything.
"I do think they need to be very careful with this"
That got a chuckle out of me, for all the wrong reasons.
a lovely review thank you
My 2 favourite things about this era we’re definitely this Master and The Lone Cyberman so this episode was just perfect for me. Really hoping both come back in the future. The Cybermasters are also definetly coming back. The Lone Cyberman under London in like the sewers or something sounds amazing
I'm gonna say - Generally speaking, I'm not a fan of all these callbacks to old doctors and stuff. Even with the ones I've watched and grown very attached to (Tennant) I am not fond of them turning up for the sake of fanservice, and I never have been.
WITH THAT SAID, the managed to find my one loophole with Ace & Teagan - Character stuff. They had "their" doctors talk to them and give them closure they never really had before, and goddamn if that didn't get to me (and to stress, I have NEVER SEEN classic who, and those reunions still touched me). Because it wasn't just fanservice, it had a point and it *mattered* to the characters.
With that precedent in place, I'm more optimistic about what they're going to do with Tennant and the possibility that they're going to do something more with it than just "LOOK! DAVID TENNANT IS BACK!"
Frankly, the Timeless Child stuff WAS resolved. The resolution simply was about the Doctor moving past needing the answers, which is totally fair to dislike, but it WAS a resolution.
Giving up on finding an answer isn't really the same thing as getting an answer, though.
@@antney7745 But the point is, you don’t need an ‘answer’. Many TV shows / movies have ambiguous endings. The storyline is about someone coming to terms with these revelations, and in the end, deciding she doesn’t need them. All the details about the Timeless Child’s life aren’t important, just like how the Doctor’s real name isn’t important. So that’s what’s being said here, the Timeless Child arc has a resolution, it’s just not a resolution that everyone will like.
I'm still of the opinion, as much as I like the idea of TTC as a concept, making the child the Doctor restricts what questions you can answer without giving away the mystery. So even if Chibnall was set in answering questions he'd still have to be careful what he'd answer.
@@TheConfessionDial I think what we didn't "need" was the question to begin with.
By making the whole Timeless Child thing exist, it's pretty much like the story writer giving the audience an I.O.U. that they're going to provide an answer later. When that answer is no longer forthcoming, it just frustrates anyone who was invested in that story.
Just because the character is no longer interested, that *doesn't* mean that the audience will no longer be interested either.
My issue with this era has been that I like a lot of the ideas or the bare bones but it just hasn’t felt right. It’s really frustrating but I’m glad that Chibnal went for the celebratory angle and actually I think he handled it fairly well as a sendoff, especially considering how big the cast was and how -most- of them didn’t just feel shoved in
I think the reason why 10 being sidelined was more acceptable was because the episode was more of a finale for Donna, since 10 was getting the four specials
I was definitely skeptical going into this. I wasn't a big fan of most of Whitaker's run, in particular fluxx, and the trailer seemed like this was similarly very busy. Having seen it now, I can honestly say that this is not just my favorite episode of Whitaker's run, but one of my favorite episodes of the Doctor Who. If this was the anniversary special, I think it would satisfying. This episode has also left me wondering how good fluxx could have been if he has a full length season to tell that story.
That being said, I really don't get the regenerating clothing thing, and I'm curious to see what's going to happen with Tennant being back.
Full disclosure - I slowly lost my interest and excitement for Doctor Who throughout Jodie's era, I had to force myself to watch the Easter special (for the first time) just a few days ago to make sure it doesn't contain anything relevant to the upcoming special (it was meh). This episode though... I might be back as a fan. I loved it so much, I loved all the companions and guest stars coming back, I loved the Master, I loved all the Doctors, I loved the visuals and the music, the emotional beats. I am so happy that Jodie got such a good send off, she deserved it.
I wouldn’t really say Tegan was that justified. She left on her own accord.
She left because she was severely traumatized and the Doctor never really checked if she was ok.
My theory is that the timeless child stuff never had an answer and it was never meant to be explained
It was meant to bring back some mystery, the Doctor's background isn't what they thought it was
They don't ever have to explain anything, they just wanted to stir up controversy, to give the fans something new to argue about for 30 years
Tldr, I believe the fact that they raised a question and didn't give us any answers is itself what they were going for
I knew I was right! I was sure that they going to turn to tennant, use this as a lesson that the doctor need to keep moving forward
Two noteworthy moments were the Tardis rejecting the Master and the interaction of the Doctors! It meant the world to see Tegan and Ace as well as their resolving loose ends- in the Classic we almost never got that. The fifth Doctor is my first fav Doctor, and the moments with him & Tegan were beyond fantastic!
There is so much about thenDaleks which should be explored. The traitor Dalek’d point should be explored as well as revisiting the Daleks who truly follow Davros vs the Daleks independent of him from Ressurection of the Daleks and a few other adventures.
The Master and Jo Doctor not recognizing each other… hmmm..?
That wasn't actually Jo Doctor, just another "skin" for the holo AI; it makes sense the Master doesn't know her, I wasn't sure why she pretended not to know him, esp as her calling him out for being a "bad student" shows that she DID.
When I heard there would be some resolution of Teagan's auntie, I thought they would have her kill the Master...but they just referenced it is all. Personally, I was hoping that the Cyber Brigadier (who, as far as I know, is still flying around Doing Good) would show up to rescue Kate from Ashad, but that might have been TOO confusing for the casual audience!
This was the only Chibnall ep I enjoyed ALL of the way through. I had no idea who Ace or Teagan were, but I am slightly familiar with their Doctors. But those scenes still made me sniffle, because even if you only have watched New Who, like myself, you get the bond between the Doctor and their companions.
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As chaotic an episode as this is, it's got so much brilliant stuff and whilst people can call fanservice cheap, whether it is or not I still adore it. I also genuinely think that Ra-Ra-Rasputin scene was one of my favourite scenes of the show for the sheet immense levels of campy it is, I enjoy things like Simm with here comes the drums but this moment feels so much more organic than that because it's a song about Rasputin, and it is bigging him up, ofc the Master is gonna be listening to it. Really enjoyed it so much
the master was epic in this! The Ra-ra-Rasputin scene and ‘Do you have the menu? I’m human intolerant’ are highlights
The look between the Cyberman and the Dalek in that scene cracked me up. You just know the Master only chose that time and place for it all just so he could be Rasputin and play that song. 😂
David Tennant will be in three specials. It would be interesting if he is a little different than before. I feel bad for John Bishop, he was not used fully. I am not a Classic Who fan, but really enjoyed this.
THEORY TIME - The fugitive doctor was *always* the AI, sent from the future by the doctor. Why did she have a Tardis? It was the masters. Where does she come in the chronology? She doesn't. Why did she only just show up during 13s run? So the 13th doctor would have enough memory of her to project her into the AI. Why doesn't the doctor have any memories of being her, or travelling with Karvanista? Because she didn't. Why is she so ready and willing to use violence? Because she's not *really* the doctor, in the traditional sense. Yes, this would bring up some issues regarding the first black doctor not actually being the doctor at all, but I doubt Chibnall would've factored that in.
You know, sometimes Fanservice is just fun. And I enjoyed this celebration of Who.
I bet the line tag your it is a hint for the toy makers games.
I understand there will be 3 specials next year
it's been confirmed there will be 3 specials with David in November then a fourth festive special with Ncuti
Best of the Chibnall era...period! I think that COVID really screwed Chibs because he was unable to do what he probably wanted to do. We have seen things improve as we've come out of COVID. He took a different tact in his first series with all stories being unconnected (except for the first and last episodes of the series) and not using any classic villains. I found that "refreshing", but it was hit and miss up until "The Flux". The last few specials have redeemed his run a bit but too many loose ends because of COVID. Let's see if RTD uses the 14th Doctor to clean up all of the unresolved issues. This episode itself is a new classic to me, especially since i've been a regular viewer since 77.
I feel so bad for Chibnall. Social media won and we all lost. No references to The Timeless Child or any of the new mythos, this was a rebranding exercise, even with the hints of the ether and the pieces (I don't think it was going to be as simple as The Timeless Child was Vinder and Bel's child, the Quaranx) and this does not bode well for the next era, even with RTD's populist touch.
Chibnall tried to warn us in Doctor Who Magazine #568.
I have never been more worried about the future of the show. Who is a brand now, God help us all.
As fan of Troughton, I was pleased that the fate of the second Doctor basically drove the plot.
"Reminds me of RTD's finales" is an understatement - it felt a lot like it was trying to be a new version of the Series 4 finale (particularly cramming in the Doctor's extended "fam") with hints of the final RTD special (13 makes some comments that sound too much like 10's final feelings, the regen chambers are reminiscent of that episode, The Master trying to impose their being on someone else*) and the Series 3 finale (dancing to Rasputin especially). That's not innately bad, but some things landed badly because they felt like on-the-nose attempts to do something that was done better previously. I think one thing it lacks is the key part of RTD's finales: they were natural culminations of what had been built up (maybe the End of Time less so) over that previous season, so it made sense for those characters to appear and for the plot to go where it did. This finale wanted to do that without really laying the groundwork that RTD was so good at (honestly, Moffatt was better at laying groundwork, he just underdelivered the payoff).
While I can understand that attempts to wrap up all of Chibnall's plot threads in a (less than) 90 minute finale might've been difficult, I did find it weird that he instead decided to base this finale on a bunch of things implied to have been resolved (the Master & his Cyberlords, the useless Ashad) and a bunch of new things, rather than just taking it to its natural conclusion out of Flux & wrap up The Timeless Child. Honestly, I thought the kid the Cyberlords kidnapped at the start was going to be revealed to be young Timeless Child before arriving in Gallifrey, and that would be the focus of the episode rather than whatever we got.
Stuffing it full of cameos and such certainly made it weird and difficult to do that, though I do appreciate how the past Doctors were implemented. I don't think it worked as well for me as others (as I have no real love/link to the original Doctors), but it was nice to see. I'm kinda sad that we got the rumoured twist at the very end (after a lackluster goodbye/final speech from 13, which I disliked though I did appreciate some of what was said, particularly "tag, you're it"), but I'm curious what they'll do with it. Technically, does this mean Tennant's played 3 or 4 Doctors (1st 10, 10 regenerating into 10, Metacrisis, and now 14)?
I agree that Dan's departure felt like a weird moment, especially once it became clear he really was gone for most of the episode, not just going somewhere that'd set him up to be in "the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time". Again, the heavily stuffed plot didn't really leave a spot for him, unless he was going to otherwise fill the Graham role (which would've made sense, really).
*I'm not sure the Master's plan makes sense to me - I can accept the forced regeneration being guided to take the form of someone, but it doesn't quite work for me that it plays out more as a body possession situation (especially as The Master's body is just slumped over like he's departed until the degeneration). I was expecting it'd either be a "Face/Off"-style situation where The Master takes The Doctor's face and puts his on hers to finish out his plan where he frames her while she also faces the consequences of his actions or I thought it'd backfire on him, as he realizes that he'd be able to guide the transformation but he'd still be in his body, so it'd create 2 Masters who immediately try to betray/destroy the other.
Overall, I didn't hate it, I didn't love it, there were a lot of issues with this finale but some nice ideas and moments, including that support group. It can't escape the past few Chibnall years, though, and that really sours it, too, and I doubt I'll revisit this or any other parts of that era.
I absolutely loved this special, I haven't felt this happy after watching a DW episode since Capaldi's era.
One thing I reckon is that Dan could still have something to do in this episode, having him stay with Ace, Tegan and Kate at UNIT and help them out against the Cybermen, but I still believe his send off was ok.
the Power of the Doctor: we were led to believe tht it was her artron energy. but it ment in fact his companions x
A mash-up that felt like three episodes crammed into 90 mins, but for me one of the better episodes Jodie was given. I do think Chibs didn't try to fix the mess his production team made story-wise because he couldn't come up with a coherent way to do it and was perhaps apologising to the fans (and perhaps Jodie because her Doctor was really let down by Chibs writing team) by giving us a fan-pleasing 'regen' episode with the returning companions and classic Doctor's (pity they did not get Reece Shearsmith to play the second doctor) anyway I scored it as a 7/10 episode.
so my 2 biggest issues with season 13 are these. Is the universe still mostly destroyed from the flux? I have not heard anything about that? can someone please explain this to me. My other problem is dan. what a wasted character. He didn't even get a goodbye hug. Did any of 13's companions get a good bye hug? I think Kavanista was a more important and better companion then dan was.
Would I be able to follow this episode if I haven't watched the latest season (Flux)?
Yeah, easily. It pretty much ignores any of the events of that.
@@CouncilofGeeks Thanks!
Okay, gotta be honest: I thought this was a complete mess. Dangling nostalgia keys in front of viewers while rushing a completely overfraught story doesnot make a good episode for me. It doesn't help that I really don't like the current Master for being far too over the top (I'm the opposite to you on that, I think Simm worked much better as a cohesive character than Dhawan). It does get better after the forced regeneration, because for the first time since his introduction, the current Master feels like he has a purpose instead of just being there. And then the actual regeneration became an afterthought. I do like Tennant going "I know these teeth" and that is about all the nice things I have to say about this.
Yeah, waving around fanservice just doesn't work for me, even though I was happy to spot Jo Grant a few times (whom I remember from her appearance in Sarah Jane Adventures) and see Graham (the better Dan, whom I find annoying). The other old companions I don't recognize, anyway.
I liked this episode. I do kinda feel bad for Jodie... she is a good actress and I honestly think she could have been an incredible Doctor. But she never quite got a definition AS the Doctor. I was really hoping for a Capaldi level regen speech that'd really sum up who she was but we didn't get that. On the other hand... this episode was actually darn good. Maybe not the greatest ever but good enough. If this version of Chibnall had shown up to write things in season 1 we'd be getting ready to see him handle the next Doctor. But bottom line I liked the episode quite a bit.
Chibnalls era on the show will be remembered as 3 seasons of wild experimentation. Which is a good thing - if you can take a 60 year old show and still experiment with it that is good. I don't think Chibnall was quite up to the task of it but he tried at least. Plus he did keep the show going through Covid which must have been a logistical nightmare behind the scenes.
In a way I'll miss Chibnall. I honestly see promise in some of his stuff. And I will miss Jodie - she is a great actor and she could have been so good. But that ending is surprising enough and a big enough cliffhanger that it really hypes me for next season.
I laughed, I cried, I loved it 🥰
Also: I like that while 13's final speech was nowhere near as elaborate as 11's or 12's, they still managed to sneak the obligatory line in there that makes you wonder if it's the Doctor or the actor/actress speaking.
9: "You were fantastic. And you know what? So was I."
10: "I don't want to go."
11: "I'll always remember when the Doctor was me."
12: "Doctor, I let you go."
13: "That's the only sad thing - I wanna know what happens next."
@@purefoldnz3070 That's the thing, people's views differ so some people will think that the line perfectly sums up what they love about her while others will think it's the definition of everything they hate about her
@Vesper F What was wrong with Capaldi??
@@purefoldnz3070 actually it was "That's the only sad thing - I wanna know What happens next" completed with Tag your it. It was a whole speech ppl are just focusing on the last 3 words
@@purefoldnz3070 because she had the extra time to sit on top of the TARDIS with Yaz and Ice Cream and reflect. During that conversation she accepted what was happening and realised she was ok with it
@@purefoldnz3070 because the rest of them had had their goodbyes with the Doctor Yaz hadn't. This was Yaz goodbye. Once done the Doctor asked to be alone for the rest
Sacha Dawan made the episode to me. I hope RTD keeps him because I love watching him chew the scenery as the Master, he's the best thing to have come out of the Chibnall era imo.
I loved that we didn’t see him die or see his tardis exploded the camera just moves away
I thought he’s the worst master ever and really annoying in this episode imo
@@ryanturner9142 I can see why someone would think that the one thing I will say is he’s the only actor who seems to be really enjoying being in the dr who family over the last few years and had expressed interest in joining the show in the past
@@c17sam90 that is always a plus if they are enjoying themselves but I still prefer missy and John simm master more since they were less overdramatic and imo funnier
@@ryanturner9142 how was Simm not overdramatic?
Imo Dhawan's Master was probably the best part of the Chibnall era, and Simm's master one of the worst parts of the Davies era.
No fault of Simm's, but Davies' really seemed to have difficulty with the Master as a character. Lightning powers, really?
I wasn't as emotional with this finale as I normally am with regenerations because I didn't feel as connected to 13. I think that's in no way Jodie's fault, she was great. But the writing just wasn't there so I didn't connect with her as much as I have with previous doctors.
Yeah I feel the same, two seasons in with Whittaker and while I like her I don’t feel the emotional connection that I did with the others.
@@qs4177it's kinda bad that I was actually glad that she was going. Sucks but I honestly was tired of this doctor
You're not the only one crying seeing 7 and Ace back together again.... This was the closure we never got to see in the Classic Era
Yes, and I would like some details on how they split up...Is this in continuity with Sophie Aldred's Ace novel? But yeah, 7 and Ace were the original proto Doc and Comp team that really set the pattern for what the new show would go on to do so well...
This is what was so strange the more emotional scenes were with old doctors and companions and the current Doctor and companion seemed to be pushed to back and their scenes don’t feel as strong
@@HandofOmega I thought it was tying into Love & War's ending ua-cam.com/video/kuwrtO_S4Wo/v-deo.html (SPOILERS) , but have only listened to the big finish re-release and yet to read the VNA's or At Childhood's End so could be wrong
I was in bits
@@elliottnoad1270 the VNAs being referred to is a good thing.
The Master’s self loathing shows up in the s12 finale, when he’s disappointed he didn’t die when he shrunk Ashad. I always liked that, glad that they kinda followed it up.
I think he's disappointed that he didn't die as missy
@@renanfalcao912 Interesting insight. I suspect you may well be right.
My favorite aspect of the Whittaker Doctor is her inventor side, so I loved the nod with her fixing Vindor’s ship.
Yup. I loved it so much that I didn't even mind that she suddenly magically had the same welding goggles from nowhere that she had in "The Woman who fell to Earth". Very cool.