A lot of criticism towards Turkish, but is he supposed to keep blindly defending this club after 20 years without a title and another cup thrown away. The reason he doesnt get to ahead of himself is because its the same old story with Arsenal. How many times have we got so close and are 2 players away and then dont sign the players necessary to get over the line, then our best players leave and the cycle starts again.
It's not his job to defend the club. It's his job to support it. And if he feels the club doesn't fulfill his interests as a fan then he should stop being a representative of said club. Simple.
@@katleholehlokoane9663 supporting does not mean blindly backing, like myself and numerous fans that go to games, you back the team and support them and cheer them on, that doesn't mean you can't criticise the team and the way it is run.
I would but there's a cast, it's not just a one man show. I watch for Matisse, Toby, Steve and Grizz just as much as I do for you but if you can't take criticism then so be it.🤷🏾♂️
There was once upon a time where Arsenal were trophyless until they won trophies and now Turkish acts like it’s crazy for Spurs fans like Tobs wanting the same
Spurs fan for 30 years here. Any Spurs fan that takes Spurs under Levy seriously, is gona go insane. THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS FOOTBALL CLUB, Levy has designed it that way. Any educated grown man should see and accept that. Until Levy leaves the club, dont take THFC as a football club seriously, why should you, the ownership certainly don't. Chill and concentrate on something more important in life.
The owners aren’t the ones playing the game lol. Newcastle haven’t spent as much money as Arsenal have so by that logic. Arsenal should have beaten Newcastle
Correct. They are not playing on the pitch.. They also are not addressing the needs of the team and are gambling on the fitness of an already thin squad. I did not mention the Newcastle game at all. I don’t care how much the club spends just spend it correctly. If you’ve followed the club at all over the years it really doesn’t need explaining.
@@Baalliinn24 arteta has been given a billion dollars and he’s pissed away the money. Arteta bought Havertz,merino,califori when we’ve been needing a striker for 3 years. Arteta shouldn’t be given a single dollar more
As I said, I don’t care for the cost. All BIG clubs spend. We are still pushing for the prem, albeit it looks unlikely. 3rd in the CL. We need a striker go get one.
Some of Liverpools best players cost around what Utd just paid for Dorgu, but because they’re used to paying inflated prices for too many players they’ll assume he’s cheap for a reason and not that he might simply have been a bargain.
As a city fan, Turkish is the only grown man on the show. Grizz most of the time as well. We don’t need “cooking all the time” The banter quad are depressed most of these shows because it’s all banter
I truly don't get any Arsenal fan wanting to keep Arteta. It's 4 years 0 trophies and Arne Slot has gotten to a final in 6 months vs Arteta 4 years with £800m spent. This manager crumbles when there is pressure, he is literally southgate and the players are going to not believe hes the right guy for much longer. These owners are just as bad as this fanbase they don't want to win theyre happy with top 4. Were a finished club that has been failing for 15+ years
Firstly, Arteta got to and won a final in his first 6 months. Secondly, Slot has inherited a literal ready made team full of quality. They don't need to buy because, they have 99% of their positions covered. Kelleher is a quality GK to step in. Bradley, Tsimikas. They have midfield depth, strike/wing depth. The only position that they're currently lacking in is depth at CB in quality. They have the numbers though. Klopp never quit because the job was too hard or the squad was terrible and there was too much work to fix it. He quit because he didn't have the energy to continue, ie, he wanted to go and spend time with family and just live a calm life. Arteta has been utterly shafted, the entire team needed a rebuild, he's replaced/removed 24 out of the 25 players he inherited. He's been given £200m over 5 years by the owners. Everything else he's spent is club generated. Had he kept those players and still had them (Mustafi, Kolasinac, Sokratis etc) he'd be in the same position, struggling to rotate because the quality isn't there. Lacazette was declining, Auba was declining and his attitude stank. Don't get me wrong, I want Arteta out, not because I feel as though he's failed massivley but because, he refuses to buy players who have an ego, the players you need that make you win. Salah has attitude. Haaland has attitude. They know they're good. They know they can change a game on their day. People bash Myles lewis skelly but, that's the exact player we need. Cocky, arrogant, not afraid to annoy people and get under peoples skin. Too many of our senior players (Odegaard, Havertz, Martinelli) are far too soft and it shows. We need that killer instinct, that winners mentality. I want Inzaghi, not just because of his trophy haul but, because, he has an attitude that will put the owners and the board in their place/.
@@sloht4061oh shut up before season was kicked off no one picked liverpool in top 4 if Arteta had inherited this squad liverpool would be knocked out from every competition the trophy Arteta won with emery squad he won nothing with his squad all he just bottled everything when it mattered the most
@@Sonicboom726 Yeah the revisionism over the squad that was left for Slot is mad. Everyone called them bottlers last year and said Slot would struggle to get top 4 now it's he walked in to a ready made team to win the prem lmao
Lol some fans want Arteta out because he got us out of the mud. Comparing Slot reign to a manager that is his first ever appointment that had a terrible squad. Arteta is here to stay so deal with it.
Griz "give me 12 out next 15 it's over " . Bro said give me 4 points outta Forest and Brentford away it's over. They got 4 points plus Arsenal slipped up at home to Villa. And Liverpool just beat an inform Bournemouth away. Next he gunba say if we're top when we play Arsenal and beat them I'll say it's over then😅
As a liverpool fan. I can't stand arsenal because of 99% of the annoying arsenal fans. But TURKISH is one of the fans I respect. We need more football fans like him
Agreed. He’s not falling for the bs PR the club constantly puts out. Taking Saka with them to Dubai as if he’s coming back soon when he’s still a long way off is just more of the same. They’re shameless giving their fans false hope.
The chat's getting too big for it's boots. Used to be good fun, the Big 6ix. Last I checked, Turkish owns this show. He calls the shots. The amount of times he's defended others, the lads on the show, called for respect and now you turn on him? You don't like what he's got to say then flip the channel. Grown up thing.
The panel crying about virgil on richalison were the same people who said nothing when richalison put horrible challenge on tiargo and nearly ended his career I'm sure virgil has not forgotten that along with every Liverpool fan so he will get no sympathy from fans
It's a myth Liverpool don't spend money. The truth is they don't spend _often_ ...which is a big difference. Couple seasons ago they were ready to pay £111m for Caicedo after already dropping a combined £100m on Szobozlai and Mac Allister. When they want a player they don't hesitate. So after not spending anything the last two windows, if the want Isak in the summer they'll pay the fee. In general I think LFC will be very busy this summer with Hughes and Slot having had a season to assess. They'll also know for sure if Van Dijk and Salah have extended which will impact their plans.
Just googled how much Liverpool spent over the last 10 years. Oh its lower than all the big 6 teams, thanks for trying to gaslight people. But you were right about them not spending often part.
@@UltimateHibzcity havent spent the most but they won the most and people act like they’re not allowed to spend… some double standards, you spend to win and if it works you should be praised for good signings
@Prime1Wunna city are an exception because they cheated. They abused the system so bad that the financial laws have no changed so no team can do the same anymore. Look at Newcastle That's called using the ladder to climb up and then pulling the ladder up behind you, so no one else can catch up using the same method. I have no sympathy for those cheaters. Who will cheat and bribe their way out of the 115 charges too
@UltimateHibz Jesus christ how incredibly îdiotic are you? Obviously you're going to have a lower spend over time if you only spend big every couple of seasosn while the others do it more frequently. But well done, you got to use the phrase "gaslight" to make yourself feel smart. Absolute 🔔
@UltimateHibz Christ alive we got a real ⛑️ over here who thinks pointing out the obvious and using the phrase "gaslight" makes them sound smart. Obviously if you only spend big every couple of seasons , then your spend over time is going to be less than a club who spends big more frequently. Well done genius.
Get cooked when you are down and cook when you are up given the context.. People fence sitting for eternity will look and feel miserable for everyone 😅
We back our club. Why on earth are we going to sit here and entertain the waffle from rivals who are in a worst position than we are. Idc about the last few years, i'm looking at the present day. City, United, Spurs, Chelsea are all out of the carbao before us. All of them are having terrible seasons. Bar Liverpool who literally have a set squad of quality and Slot is literally just using Klopps system from the days of Mane, Salah and Firminhio and his squad, there isn't a single rival who can chat to us this year. United are on a negative goal difference for the third year in a row and out of everything apart from the Europa league. Chelsea are in the flippin conference and struggling for 4th. Spurs are spurs. City are being found out because, they let their squad age horribly and never replaced them earlier. I wont take opinions off of rivals who attempt to use history to combat against Arsenal then, minimize Arsenal fans when they do the same. If you want a logical, intelligent conversation talking about the limitations Arsenal face, then fine. If all of you are just sitting there, hoping to engage with Arsenal fans and have them talk wass about it, it's a non starter. We know why we lost against Newcastle and, it's obvious. Havertz cannot play against CB pairings who literally are carbon copies of him. Slow, not agile, strong, tall. Had we purchased Watkins or had a pre ACL Jesus, we'd have ripped Newcastle apart, as shown by Bournemouth, Fulham and Brentford who have demonstrated this and won.
@@AM.1998 All fan bases are petty when it comes to their team. Again, people pretend like fans follow teams from afar. You follow teams from literal birth. Why would anyone allow their team, the thing they wake up for on a Saturday, the thing that makes them feel good, be ridiculed by clueless rivals who watch one 90 minute game when it suits them.
@Sourav_yaduvanshi_21 He didn't say anything bad, being Humble is a good thing, maybe Arsenal would win something if they were humble. Notice when City were winning you don't see their players all on social media showing off or the club posting silly posts etc. They just go about winning one game at a time quietly.
They lost those games for 1 reason and 1 reason only. The teams they lose to have small, agile strikers/attackers, forcing Burn and Bottman to use game inteligence over brute strength. When they're forced to use game intelligence, they're trash. Using Havertz against Burn and Bottman is like using Burn vs Burn and Botman. They all have the same limitations and problems. We saw this against Bayern last year. The minute Jesus came on against Dier and Kim (Identical to Botman and Burn in the way they defend) he cooked them and set up our 2nd goal to bring it back to 2-2. I begged for him to start the next game against them because, it's so glaringly obvious what their limitations are. We only have Havertz. A player who's great against teams that are smaller, using pace to defend rather than brute strength but he gets found out against teams that defend using his only real skill which is height and strength. Watkins would have been absolutely perfect for us in this game but, we have Arteta, a manager who's obviously covering for the owners. He's waffling to protect the owners. He wanted Watkins, he couldn't afford him, begged the owners and the owners said "naa, we need that for Jokic and the Rams"
Can’t see Isak at Madrid because of the Mbappe & Vini situation but can see Barca interested. He could also go Arsenal. I doubt he’s want to live in Liverpool tbh
Nominees for the First Annual 24/25 “Stay Humble” Awards are: Ange Postecoglou in "I always win things in second year..." Mikel Arteta in (Man City 2-2 Arsenal) Erling Haaland in (Arsenal 5-1 Man City) Arsenal FC in (Arsenal 0-2 Newcastle) (Newcastle 2-0 Arsenal) (4-0 Agg)
It has to either go to Haaland or Ange. Haaland for saying it and not being able to receive the same garbage or Ange for thinking Spurs will ever win anything.
@ Haaland invited it by saying it to Arteta and insult Myles. IDC how many goals he scores, if you can dish it out, prepare yourself to receive it in return. If you can't handle the sauce, why put it on your plate.
Wait, Turkish wouldn't trade in the last 5 years of Arsenal for Chelsea's last 5 years? What? A couple of title challenges is now better than winning the CL? 😂
He’s not saying that at all, he’s factually commenting that your clubs’s trajectory has been terrible within that time and you’re regressing rather than progressing. Where as we’ve improved every year in the past 5, it’s not rocket science!
@@corybrown416 Trajectory means nothing if you're not winning. He literally said he wouldn't swap Arsenal's last 5 years for Chelsea's. I think he's lying. Chelsea's lone CL win trumps anything Arsenal have done in this period. Improving and being on an upward won't mean a thing if you don't actually win something (title or CL). Until that happens, Chelsea's last 5 years > Arsenal's last 5 years,
@ That’s the point of progressing, you’ll eventually start winning trophies. And rather than just winning a won one off trophy and then regressing, it’s better to steadily improve at sustainable level until you can start wining trophies consistently. that’s the better position to be in for you overall as a club. It’s great winning cups but what’s the point if your club is in a mess otherwise, glory doesn’t last forever, look at Forest, they won back to back UCL’s and have hardly been relevant since and that’s why there’s the argument that we’ve had the better 5 last years, you’re looking at it from a completely egotistical prospective!
@ Not really, you're arguing backwards imo. The point of football is to win. We're not talking about predictors of the future, of which Arsenal are clearly set up better to win than Chelsea. But every single Arsenal fan would give up the 2 title challenges for Chelsea's CL title. In a heartbeat, without hesitation. And since that's the case, there's no real argument for Arsenal having a better 5 year period than Chelsea. Forest is a bad example because we're talking about a small 5 year sample that includes the current season, not a humongous period of 30-40 years. Would you say Leicester have had a better 10 year period than Arsenal? They've won the title and cup but also been relegated once and might be relegated again. I'd say Leicester's last 10 years > Arsenal's last 10 years.
@ Yeah, I couldn’t track your train of thought because you’re not quite grasping the overriding point that’s being made, like I said, you’re looking at it from an ego based perspective rather than a logic base one.
I really don‘t get it with the cooking. Tobs said it right it is tribalsm. You cook and then you getting cooked. It‘s entertainment. If we really serious about it nobody can cook this season besides Grizz. 20min show then - easy work. Love for the love.
League was wrapped up in December so dont understand why grizz and rest of the of dippers they making out like there a title race going on. Congrats to to them
People know you're not trolling steve, you always speak facts. The fans just get rattled by how you say it. Today you were calmer and theyll probably listen more. Kroenkes arteta out. Saliba has locked up every striker he plays against. But when it comes to Isak, Isak DESTROYS him every time they play. Its no shot on saliba, it just shows how good isak actually is.
Arsenal fans saying he’s done the same to VVD, but ignore the fact Newcastle didn’t win any of those games and the best they’ve done was the 3:3 draw. He’s scored 3 in 5. Decent, but not match winning unlike Arsenal who’ve failed to even score against them at St James in last three games there.
@1972dsrai the result isn't in question here though what you talking about? Isak scoring 3 in 5 against Liverpool regardless of the team scoreline, again just shows how good isak is because he also gets change out of van dijk. Again it's no slight on van dijk, isak is just that good. Your talking about arsenal and Liverpool though as a team, it's not just saliba and van dijk that effects the score at the end of the game, it's the whole team, the score is irrelevant. I didn't mention van dijk either... I have van dijk in my prem all time 11 he's that good. To me van dijk is the perfect cb build, strong, fast good in the air, good on the ball, he has it all. I'm an honest fan I don't banter. Thing that's annoyed me is, isak bullies saliba and I agree he does but saliba has one bad game and now all of a sudden he's an absolute bum apparently which is just ridiculous. Is he as good as van dijk? Not even close. But saliba is still an incredible cb and will become world class one day.
From the comments i've read last stream and I kind of agree. Most arsenal fans in cc were not disagreeing with turkish assessment of Arsenal the institution. But after a 5-1 win against a team that i've been slapping you a lot. Starting with transfer Was not the move. And from there Big Steve took his chance and avoided the cooking (he was in fact the cook and Turkish was getting cooked). When the PEOPLE voice their opinion about the way Turkish represents the team on the show, isn't that fair? Just because they critique him, doesnt mean they dont like the show. And for him to respond to some with "you can decide not to watch" is a bit Foul for me. Anyway good show today guys
THANK YOU!! My goodness so many people here lack the intelligence for nuance. Just because arsenal lost this week doesn't mean there isn't truth to the criticism against Turkish after the city game.
Arsenal need more than 89 points to win the title, the most they’ve ever achieved in the pl and Liverpool are on track to finish with around 93/95. Can they realistically do it without Saka and a quality #9? Same goes for the ucl.
As a Liverpool fan, Grizz can you show some chest ever? Early in the season you were glazing Arsenal. you never cook anyone but Saeed properly despite all the talk. Drives me mad.
Why in the world should the owners give more money to Arteta that wtf that makes no sense. He’s been backed too the moon. We’ve been needing a striker for 3 years and Arteta keeps pissing away money with buying defenders. But hey kreonke let’s give him more money
Arsenal will never get the job done as long as the Kroenkes are the owners.., We get close and are always 2 players away from winning the Premier League and challenging for Champions League but these fools are about money, merch, vibes, next season FC… I’m back my bro Turkish because we have seen the same thing over and over again for the last 21 years… And this club doesn’t learn fr their mistakes for years… hopefully Newcastle wins the Carabao Cup over Liverpool in May!!
Mahtits has to be the most confused chelsea fan one on hand, he says don bring players to an unstable enviroment(chelsea) and on the other hand, goes crazy cos we have not bought players during the transfer window..what is it ma bruda...this whiplash about to make me dizzy
Turkish said he wouldn't trade for any of our clubs over the past 5 year well brother in that 5 year period we've won the ucl something the gooners only dream about winning
Toby made some good points tonight, if they got rid of the owners, players, manager and staff they'd be ok 😂.....how can a club that's always had money be this bad? It's like us winning nothing after Sheikh Mansour, it's the most embarrassing story in football.
Tobi says ange won't bring you trophy's.... Mourhino, Ponch..... couldn't bring you trophies..... heck Ancelotti won't bring you trophies..... get real
They haven’t even reached the semi’s since 2009 and some of their fans thinking they can win it is just delusional. Who realistically sees them beating Madrid or Barca in a tough semi?
Has any captain and supposed play maker been sub’d as often as he has? Theres clearly something missing in his game. He only plays well when things are going well, but not when they’re up against it in tight games.
@@MobehTaBluesIrrelevant how long you’ve been supporting a club if you allow it to get cooked every week even if it doesn’t warrant a cooking without any retaliation.
The only time people who like Arsenal fans are the ones who enjoy hear us cuss our own club 😂 as soon as we talk positively it’s “I can’t stand Arsenal fans” 🥱
I think Arsenal just can’t handle pressure situations. It’s been happening before Arteta. I noticed that pattern a lot over the last 10 years but I can remember some major ones. The year Leicester won the league, and I think there was one in 2014 where arsenal were 5 points ahead and they went to play at anfield and Liverpool scored 4 goals in 20 minutes. Even when Leicester won it they actually beat Leicester twice and were supposed to win it, but their striker went 5 or 6 games without scoring and they kept bottling leads that year.
@@mohamedsaleh824 yeah that’s true. I’m a Man utd fan but I liked watching arsenal when wenger was there, but I always noticed that they didn’t do well with pressure.
It’s not that deep for this one, Arteta does not prep the team well in the cups. Part of it is not giving a shit and the other is ineptitude. You can see it
@corybrown416 We were winning major trophies long before your club, we also earned our place in top flight English football, it wasn't given to us in a raffle. Go an educate yourself
@ Telling me to go and check history when you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about is hilarious. Firstly, we won a major before you and secondly before 2008 you had only won 2 majors in a 100+ years, we had won more in 1 decade.😂 Secondly, we were voted into the league and have never been relegated since, not like your small club, who over decades have gone up and down between divisions more than a crackhead giving head at a porn convention! Try and use all the mental gymnastics you want, it doesn’t change the facts and regency bias won’t save you either because historically we’ve won more trophies than you and are the bigger club.
@@SuperCityMCFCYou haven’t won a major before us and we were voted into the first division and haven’t been relegated since, unlike you bums! Telling me to go educate myself, when you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about is embarrassing! 😂
Ferguson once said the domestic treble was impossible, before people start that means premier, carabao cup,and the fa cup, and also the treble with the champions league was impossible city did it so everything is possible.
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@@TheBig6ix we shall not support you and your sponsors if you continue disrespecting arsenal; fake
The fact that grown men are making petitions to get rid of people on this show is actually insane
lol that's ridiculous. The whole panel works so well together, that's what make the show so good.
They think they have a say 😂😂about
@@rikupv it's crazy, they can just stop watching. Plenty of shows around who glaze everything Arsenal do
@@rikupv that’s the thing they ain’t grown men 90% of these online Arsenal fans are teenagers hence their childish behaviour
@@PedroNeves-hm5xm salute to you bro finally someone understands
A lot of criticism towards Turkish, but is he supposed to keep blindly defending this club after 20 years without a title and another cup thrown away. The reason he doesnt get to ahead of himself is because its the same old story with Arsenal. How many times have we got so close and are 2 players away and then dont sign the players necessary to get over the line, then our best players leave and the cycle starts again.
It's not his job to defend the club. It's his job to support it. And if he feels the club doesn't fulfill his interests as a fan then he should stop being a representative of said club. Simple.
@@katleholehlokoane9663 supporting does not mean blindly backing, like myself and numerous fans that go to games, you back the team and support them and cheer them on, that doesn't mean you can't criticise the team and the way it is run.
@@katleholehlokoane9663 you know what else is simple? Not watching the show if my representation brings you so much unhappiness.
I would but there's a cast, it's not just a one man show. I watch for Matisse, Toby, Steve and Grizz just as much as I do for you but if you can't take criticism then so be it.🤷🏾♂️
@@katleholehlokoane9663 Don't think any of the panel will mind to see you go. I am an Arsenal fan and I watch it for Turkish.
2:30 Liverpool beat Tottenham to reach League cup final
48:07 Arsenal
1:22:34 Chelsea
1:28:25 Man Utd
The Pokémon thing at the beginning has me CRYING 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was cracking up for like 3 minutes straight 😂😂
This hit my funny bone. It actually killed me! 😂
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I appreciate that Grizz wasn't eating on stream. Thanks Grizz. Good show
You lot are so sensitive get a life who gives a rats a$$ if he’s eating or not
Praise for not eating... a pretty low bar there.
jheez let a brother eat will ya
@d.b.cooper1 the eating isn't the problem. He regualry eats with his mic on, and while speaking.
You sound like an absolute jobsworth mate, let him live
Grizz on the last game of the season and Liverpool are nine points clear "Yeah it's still all to play for"
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it ain't till the fat lady or steve sings
I’m pretty confident tobs has never actually turned that mic on
There was once upon a time where Arsenal were trophyless until they won trophies and now Turkish acts like it’s crazy for Spurs fans like Tobs wanting the same
Spurs fan for 30 years here. Any Spurs fan that takes Spurs under Levy seriously, is gona go insane. THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS FOOTBALL CLUB, Levy has designed it that way. Any educated grown man should see and accept that. Until Levy leaves the club, dont take THFC as a football club seriously, why should you, the ownership certainly don't. Chill and concentrate on something more important in life.
🍿 waiting for the Assna fan tears because Turkish didn't "cook" correctly
No one is crying.
@@themongoose7318might wanna check the comments, they're already here 😂
Most obnoxious fanbase I've ever seen
Sounds to me like a lot of crying all around from everyone
@@a.s.313 you haven't seen them all.
Arsenal fan but I love tobs man👌🏽very honest and real
Except when it comes to soboszlai 😂
We love him ❤😂
"Oscar Bobb is back in training yeah?"
- TurkishLDN
9:20 😂
Turkish spitting facts. It’s the same story with this club. Close but not close enough. This ownership continues to limit this team’s potential.
The owners aren’t the ones playing the game lol. Newcastle haven’t spent as much money as Arsenal have so by that logic. Arsenal should have beaten Newcastle
Correct. They are not playing on the pitch.. They also are not addressing the needs of the team and are gambling on the fitness of an already thin squad. I did not mention the Newcastle game at all. I don’t care how much the club spends just spend it correctly. If you’ve followed the club at all over the years it really doesn’t need explaining.
@@Baalliinn24 arteta has been given a billion dollars and he’s pissed away the money. Arteta bought Havertz,merino,califori when we’ve been needing a striker for 3 years. Arteta shouldn’t be given a single dollar more
@@mofrm6-070 We’re talking in $. That says enough.
As I said, I don’t care for the cost. All BIG clubs spend. We are still pushing for the prem, albeit it looks unlikely. 3rd in the CL. We need a striker go get one.
Tobi, surely you can tell Turkish is being sarcastic about Levy, he is not serious, he wants Levy in forever as he knows he is a crap owner!
1:19:13 Overpaying for players is so second nature to Man U, even their fans have ingrained it in them
Some of Liverpools best players cost around what Utd just paid for Dorgu, but because they’re used to paying inflated prices for too many players they’ll assume he’s cheap for a reason and not that he might simply have been a bargain.
As a city fan, Turkish is the only grown man on the show. Grizz most of the time as well. We don’t need “cooking all the time” The banter quad are depressed most of these shows because it’s all banter
Cooking all the time? He cooks other teams that’s been more successful than his is recent history what u on about
Shut up man
I truly don't get any Arsenal fan wanting to keep Arteta. It's 4 years 0 trophies and Arne Slot has gotten to a final in 6 months vs Arteta 4 years with £800m spent. This manager crumbles when there is pressure, he is literally southgate and the players are going to not believe hes the right guy for much longer. These owners are just as bad as this fanbase they don't want to win theyre happy with top 4. Were a finished club that has been failing for 15+ years
Firstly, Arteta got to and won a final in his first 6 months. Secondly, Slot has inherited a literal ready made team full of quality. They don't need to buy because, they have 99% of their positions covered. Kelleher is a quality GK to step in. Bradley, Tsimikas. They have midfield depth, strike/wing depth. The only position that they're currently lacking in is depth at CB in quality. They have the numbers though.
Klopp never quit because the job was too hard or the squad was terrible and there was too much work to fix it. He quit because he didn't have the energy to continue, ie, he wanted to go and spend time with family and just live a calm life.
Arteta has been utterly shafted, the entire team needed a rebuild, he's replaced/removed 24 out of the 25 players he inherited. He's been given £200m over 5 years by the owners. Everything else he's spent is club generated. Had he kept those players and still had them (Mustafi, Kolasinac, Sokratis etc) he'd be in the same position, struggling to rotate because the quality isn't there. Lacazette was declining, Auba was declining and his attitude stank.
Don't get me wrong, I want Arteta out, not because I feel as though he's failed massivley but because, he refuses to buy players who have an ego, the players you need that make you win. Salah has attitude. Haaland has attitude. They know they're good. They know they can change a game on their day. People bash Myles lewis skelly but, that's the exact player we need. Cocky, arrogant, not afraid to annoy people and get under peoples skin. Too many of our senior players (Odegaard, Havertz, Martinelli) are far too soft and it shows. We need that killer instinct, that winners mentality.
I want Inzaghi, not just because of his trophy haul but, because, he has an attitude that will put the owners and the board in their place/.
@@sloht4061oh shut up before season was kicked off no one picked liverpool in top 4 if Arteta had inherited this squad liverpool would be knocked out from every competition the trophy Arteta won with emery squad he won nothing with his squad all he just bottled everything when it mattered the most
@@Sonicboom726 Yeah the revisionism over the squad that was left for Slot is mad. Everyone called them bottlers last year and said Slot would struggle to get top 4 now it's he walked in to a ready made team to win the prem lmao
Stockholm syndrome…unfortunately.
Lol some fans want Arteta out because he got us out of the mud. Comparing Slot reign to a manager that is his first ever appointment that had a terrible squad. Arteta is here to stay so deal with it.
Griz "give me 12 out next 15 it's over " . Bro said give me 4 points outta Forest and Brentford away it's over. They got 4 points plus Arsenal slipped up at home to Villa. And Liverpool just beat an inform Bournemouth away. Next he gunba say if we're top when we play Arsenal and beat them I'll say it's over then😅
PTsD it’s understandable 😂
thats how it is. We will only win the league when we see the trophy in our hands 😭
@@rudders38 after Bournemouth win is over Grizz said. VAR=GRIZZ=NOT CONSISTENT
As a liverpool fan. I can't stand arsenal because of 99% of the annoying arsenal fans. But TURKISH is one of the fans I respect. We need more football fans like him
Agreed. He’s not falling for the bs PR the club constantly puts out. Taking Saka with them to Dubai as if he’s coming back soon when he’s still a long way off is just more of the same. They’re shameless giving their fans false hope.
The chat's getting too big for it's boots. Used to be good fun, the Big 6ix.
Last I checked, Turkish owns this show. He calls the shots. The amount of times he's defended others, the lads on the show, called for respect and now you turn on him?
You don't like what he's got to say then flip the channel. Grown up thing.
I could listen to Turkish and Tobh talk about Levy In/Out for hours.
Funny thing is i understand where both are coming from.
Great show
The panel crying about virgil on richalison were the same people who said nothing when richalison put horrible challenge on tiargo and nearly ended his career I'm sure virgil has not forgotten that along with every Liverpool fan so he will get no sympathy from fans
This is not spoken about enough.. Olisa spends atleast £50 a show!! Solid support 👏🏾👏🏾
Turkish thank you 👏🏾
It's a myth Liverpool don't spend money. The truth is they don't spend _often_ ...which is a big difference. Couple seasons ago they were ready to pay £111m for Caicedo after already dropping a combined £100m on Szobozlai and Mac Allister. When they want a player they don't hesitate. So after not spending anything the last two windows, if the want Isak in the summer they'll pay the fee. In general I think LFC will be very busy this summer with Hughes and Slot having had a season to assess. They'll also know for sure if Van Dijk and Salah have extended which will impact their plans.
Just googled how much Liverpool spent over the last 10 years. Oh its lower than all the big 6 teams, thanks for trying to gaslight people.
But you were right about them not spending often part.
@@UltimateHibzcity havent spent the most but they won the most and people act like they’re not allowed to spend… some double standards, you spend to win and if it works you should be praised for good signings
@Prime1Wunna city are an exception because they cheated. They abused the system so bad that the financial laws have no changed so no team can do the same anymore. Look at Newcastle
That's called using the ladder to climb up and then pulling the ladder up behind you, so no one else can catch up using the same method.
I have no sympathy for those cheaters. Who will cheat and bribe their way out of the 115 charges too
@UltimateHibz Jesus christ how incredibly îdiotic are you? Obviously you're going to have a lower spend over time if you only spend big every couple of seasosn while the others do it more frequently. But well done, you got to use the phrase "gaslight" to make yourself feel smart. Absolute 🔔
@UltimateHibz Christ alive we got a real ⛑️ over here who thinks pointing out the obvious and using the phrase "gaslight" makes them sound smart. Obviously if you only spend big every couple of seasons , then your spend over time is going to be less than a club who spends big more frequently. Well done genius.
Get cooked when you are down and cook when you are up given the context.. People fence sitting for eternity will look and feel miserable for everyone 😅
Arsenal fans genuinely never learn. The comments on the last show how delusional you lot are
We back our club. Why on earth are we going to sit here and entertain the waffle from rivals who are in a worst position than we are. Idc about the last few years, i'm looking at the present day. City, United, Spurs, Chelsea are all out of the carbao before us. All of them are having terrible seasons. Bar Liverpool who literally have a set squad of quality and Slot is literally just using Klopps system from the days of Mane, Salah and Firminhio and his squad, there isn't a single rival who can chat to us this year.
United are on a negative goal difference for the third year in a row and out of everything apart from the Europa league. Chelsea are in the flippin conference and struggling for 4th. Spurs are spurs. City are being found out because, they let their squad age horribly and never replaced them earlier.
I wont take opinions off of rivals who attempt to use history to combat against Arsenal then, minimize Arsenal fans when they do the same. If you want a logical, intelligent conversation talking about the limitations Arsenal face, then fine. If all of you are just sitting there, hoping to engage with Arsenal fans and have them talk wass about it, it's a non starter. We know why we lost against Newcastle and, it's obvious. Havertz cannot play against CB pairings who literally are carbon copies of him. Slow, not agile, strong, tall. Had we purchased Watkins or had a pre ACL Jesus, we'd have ripped Newcastle apart, as shown by Bournemouth, Fulham and Brentford who have demonstrated this and won.
@ can’t lie I ain’t reading allat G just stay humble abeg
@@daretogoater2670telling a petty fanbase to “stay humble” will just make them less humble.
@@daretogoater2670 You can't read. It's okay, saying "abeg" is just further proof of your illiteracy
@@AM.1998 All fan bases are petty when it comes to their team. Again, people pretend like fans follow teams from afar. You follow teams from literal birth. Why would anyone allow their team, the thing they wake up for on a Saturday, the thing that makes them feel good, be ridiculed by clueless rivals who watch one 90 minute game when it suits them.
Can't believe Grizz tried to say that Martinelli being injured might be a blessing in disguise
Matisse is right, how is Turkish still rattling Tobs about Levy. Every single time 😭
Arsenal's Stay Humble end of season documentary loading.
Go and ask haaland if he will say that ever again 😂
@Sourav_yaduvanshi_21 He didn't say anything bad, being Humble is a good thing, maybe Arsenal would win something if they were humble. Notice when City were winning you don't see their players all on social media showing off or the club posting silly posts etc. They just go about winning one game at a time quietly.
Newcastle lost 2 game in row at home with Isak playing.. Afc + Arteta were poor.. bullied #Arsenalfc
They lost those games for 1 reason and 1 reason only. The teams they lose to have small, agile strikers/attackers, forcing Burn and Bottman to use game inteligence over brute strength. When they're forced to use game intelligence, they're trash. Using Havertz against Burn and Bottman is like using Burn vs Burn and Botman. They all have the same limitations and problems.
We saw this against Bayern last year. The minute Jesus came on against Dier and Kim (Identical to Botman and Burn in the way they defend) he cooked them and set up our 2nd goal to bring it back to 2-2. I begged for him to start the next game against them because, it's so glaringly obvious what their limitations are.
We only have Havertz. A player who's great against teams that are smaller, using pace to defend rather than brute strength but he gets found out against teams that defend using his only real skill which is height and strength. Watkins would have been absolutely perfect for us in this game but, we have Arteta, a manager who's obviously covering for the owners. He's waffling to protect the owners. He wanted Watkins, he couldn't afford him, begged the owners and the owners said "naa, we need that for Jokic and the Rams"
Can’t see Isak at Madrid because of the Mbappe & Vini situation but can see Barca interested. He could also go Arsenal. I doubt he’s want to live in Liverpool tbh
I thought that whos that Pokémon was an ad 😂😂😂😂
For the first time Grizz isn’t eating 😂
@big steve hopefully see u at the orient on Saturday...@GRIZZ ...BIG STEVE IN E17!!
Why do ppl assume Liverpool will dominate the next few years? 2 of their best players are old as shit 😭😭
No ones assuming. They’re simply in a very good position to do well and be competitive with a core squad with depth in quality.
Nominees for the First Annual 24/25 “Stay Humble” Awards are:
Ange Postecoglou in "I always win things in second year..."
Mikel Arteta in (Man City 2-2 Arsenal)
Erling Haaland in (Arsenal 5-1 Man City)
Arsenal FC in (Arsenal 0-2 Newcastle) (Newcastle 2-0 Arsenal) (4-0 Agg)
It has to either go to Haaland or Ange. Haaland for saying it and not being able to receive the same garbage or Ange for thinking Spurs will ever win anything.
Why should Haaland get it he scored in that game? What do you want him to do score 6 goals?😂😂😂
@ Haaland invited it by saying it to Arteta and insult Myles. IDC how many goals he scores, if you can dish it out, prepare yourself to receive it in return.
If you can't handle the sauce, why put it on your plate.
@@sloht4061but he scored his only chance therefore he did his job
You’re just waffling
@@sloht4061Na, that stay humble award has to go to Arsenal and Arteta
Did Skull use Slowpoke voice for Toby's Blastoise bit? 😂
Mad by the 26th february Arsenal will have a game in hand, I hope the gap is massive, the headloss will be amazing 😂
I think Griz is right about LIV chasing Isak IF New are not offering CL ball
1:00 BLASTOBS 😂
Wait, Turkish wouldn't trade in the last 5 years of Arsenal for Chelsea's last 5 years? What? A couple of title challenges is now better than winning the CL? 😂
He’s not saying that at all, he’s factually commenting that your clubs’s trajectory has been terrible within that time and you’re regressing rather than progressing. Where as we’ve improved every year in the past 5, it’s not rocket science!
@@corybrown416 Trajectory means nothing if you're not winning. He literally said he wouldn't swap Arsenal's last 5 years for Chelsea's. I think he's lying. Chelsea's lone CL win trumps anything Arsenal have done in this period. Improving and being on an upward won't mean a thing if you don't actually win something (title or CL). Until that happens, Chelsea's last 5 years > Arsenal's last 5 years,
@ That’s the point of progressing, you’ll eventually start winning trophies. And rather than just winning a won one off trophy and then regressing, it’s better to steadily improve at sustainable level until you can start wining trophies consistently. that’s the better position to be in for you overall as a club. It’s great winning cups but what’s the point if your club is in a mess otherwise, glory doesn’t last forever, look at Forest, they won back to back UCL’s and have hardly been relevant since and that’s why there’s the argument that we’ve had the better 5 last years, you’re looking at it from a completely egotistical prospective!
@ Not really, you're arguing backwards imo. The point of football is to win. We're not talking about predictors of the future, of which Arsenal are clearly set up better to win than Chelsea. But every single Arsenal fan would give up the 2 title challenges for Chelsea's CL title. In a heartbeat, without hesitation. And since that's the case, there's no real argument for Arsenal having a better 5 year period than Chelsea. Forest is a bad example because we're talking about a small 5 year sample that includes the current season, not a humongous period of 30-40 years. Would you say Leicester have had a better 10 year period than Arsenal? They've won the title and cup but also been relegated once and might be relegated again. I'd say Leicester's last 10 years > Arsenal's last 10 years.
@ Yeah, I couldn’t track your train of thought because you’re not quite grasping the overriding point that’s being made, like I said, you’re looking at it from an ego based perspective rather than a logic base one.
I really don‘t get it with the cooking. Tobs said it right it is tribalsm. You cook and then you getting cooked. It‘s entertainment. If we really serious about it nobody can cook this season besides Grizz. 20min show then - easy work. Love for the love.
Good show 👍
Grizz gaslighting as per usual lol watching the end of a movie you already know the ending of 😂😂😂
Tobi shamelessly trying to add another trophy 😂😂
HERE COMES ASSNAL FANS CRYING IN THE COMMENTS. AGAIN. BE HUMBLE EH.
Sounds like your crying tho 😂
@@scottking869na you are
Paratici was 10x better than Lange
League was wrapped up in December so dont understand why grizz and rest of the of dippers they making out like there a title race going on. Congrats to to them
The panel killed Tobi 53:29
People know you're not trolling steve, you always speak facts. The fans just get rattled by how you say it. Today you were calmer and theyll probably listen more.
Kroenkes arteta out.
Saliba has locked up every striker he plays against. But when it comes to Isak, Isak DESTROYS him every time they play. Its no shot on saliba, it just shows how good isak actually is.
Arsenal fans saying he’s done the same to VVD, but ignore the fact Newcastle didn’t win any of those games and the best they’ve done was the 3:3 draw. He’s scored 3 in 5. Decent, but not match winning unlike Arsenal who’ve failed to even score against them at St James in last three games there.
@1972dsrai the result isn't in question here though what you talking about? Isak scoring 3 in 5 against Liverpool regardless of the team scoreline, again just shows how good isak is because he also gets change out of van dijk. Again it's no slight on van dijk, isak is just that good.
Your talking about arsenal and Liverpool though as a team, it's not just saliba and van dijk that effects the score at the end of the game, it's the whole team, the score is irrelevant.
I didn't mention van dijk either... I have van dijk in my prem all time 11 he's that good. To me van dijk is the perfect cb build, strong, fast good in the air, good on the ball, he has it all. I'm an honest fan I don't banter.
Thing that's annoyed me is, isak bullies saliba and I agree he does but saliba has one bad game and now all of a sudden he's an absolute bum apparently which is just ridiculous. Is he as good as van dijk? Not even close. But saliba is still an incredible cb and will become world class one day.
From the comments i've read last stream and I kind of agree. Most arsenal fans in cc were not disagreeing with turkish assessment of Arsenal the institution. But after a 5-1 win against a team that i've been slapping you a lot. Starting with transfer Was not the move. And from there Big Steve took his chance and avoided the cooking (he was in fact the cook and Turkish was getting cooked). When the PEOPLE voice their opinion about the way Turkish represents the team on the show, isn't that fair? Just because they critique him, doesnt mean they dont like the show. And for him to respond to some with "you can decide not to watch" is a bit Foul for me.
Anyway good show today guys
THANK YOU!! My goodness so many people here lack the intelligence for nuance. Just because arsenal lost this week doesn't mean there isn't truth to the criticism against Turkish after the city game.
Spot on bro🫡you can’t beat someone 5-1 and end up getting cooked like wtf
This is very constructive and I completely agree.
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😂😂 kids chatting about cookings! You lot would rather ‘cook’ someone than win a trophy! Turkish is a real one and not a mouthpiece for these clowns!
IMHO, Alisson from Liverpool said it best, they have to make history and a quadruple is on the way for them....unfortunately for all other fans...
Arsenal need more than 89 points to win the title, the most they’ve ever achieved in the pl and Liverpool are on track to finish with around 93/95. Can they realistically do it without Saka and a quality #9? Same goes for the ucl.
How is the Stay Humble Eh trophy going for Assna
Grizz you say before Bournemouth game if you win is finish. Be constant
All HAIL the bottlers 🍾🥂🍾🥂
think my superchat got missed 😅
I would subscribe if Grizz was not the Liverpool rep, he is not up to the job
The show doesn’t need ur subscription lol
As a Liverpool fan, Grizz can you show some chest ever? Early in the season you were glazing Arsenal. you never cook anyone but Saeed properly despite all the talk. Drives me mad.
Gonna be many many tears this summer. Salibas head is already in Madrid 😉
Grizz will only have to travel 10 minutes to Wembley 💀
Tobs is an actual baby 😂
Tob is RIGHT
14:14 “You getting off…..” 😮
So when do we start categorising Van Dijk as a dirty player? Atleast 5 incidents now he deserved a straight red. @Grizz Kahn will never admit this
Why in the world should the owners give more money to Arteta that wtf that makes no sense. He’s been backed too the moon. We’ve been needing a striker for 3 years and Arteta keeps pissing away money with buying defenders. But hey kreonke let’s give him more money
All the money spent and not one decent striker among them and his best players were all free.
So the guy at the bottom in between Mah and Grizz support both Spurs and Arsenal?
He has a twin brother on AFTV lol
@@drewdabeast69 so this twin brothers decided not to come together in a show ever just to confuse us?
I believe he does a show with him on his channel. Type in Tapintobs bad blood
Arsenal will never get the job done as long as the Kroenkes are the owners.., We get close and are always 2 players away from winning the Premier League and challenging for Champions League but these fools are about money, merch, vibes, next season FC… I’m back my bro Turkish because we have seen the same thing over and over again for the last 21 years… And this club doesn’t learn fr their mistakes for years… hopefully Newcastle wins the Carabao Cup over Liverpool in May!!
Turkish said he is a 36 year old man... damn I thought he was 46
Turkish why you keep saying Odegaard and maybe the 8 role, he ducks out of tackles how will playing deeper help?
1:28:55
5 Non-penalty goals in 22 starts for Gordon in a ‘good’ season for him. Not good enough for the top level imo
Replace that Liverpool fan and get someone else in. This uncle is cringey AF and he also exudes a dislikable arrogance.
53:20 😂
Mahtits has to be the most confused chelsea fan
one on hand, he says don bring players to an unstable enviroment(chelsea) and on the other hand, goes crazy cos we have not bought players during the transfer window..what is it ma bruda...this whiplash about to make me dizzy
Turkish said he wouldn't trade for any of our clubs over the past 5 year well brother in that 5 year period we've won the ucl something the gooners only dream about winning
Turkish stay humble eh😂
ISAK 150 mill done
Arsenal stay humble eh😂
54:51 doesn't Turkish love King Kai?
north london is shitt.
What is all this "TAKE YOUR TIME WITH IT " spamming everywhere ?
Toby made some good points tonight, if they got rid of the owners, players, manager and staff they'd be ok 😂.....how can a club that's always had money be this bad? It's like us winning nothing after Sheikh Mansour, it's the most embarrassing story in football.
Do people not watch turkish on the watch alongs?
Ange is worse than ten hag prove me wrong
Tobi says ange won't bring you trophy's.... Mourhino, Ponch..... couldn't bring you trophies..... heck Ancelotti won't bring you trophies..... get real
Who’s that Pokémon? 😂
London clubs except Chelsea are shhit...how are you arsenal and never won a Champions league
They haven’t even reached the semi’s since 2009 and some of their fans thinking they can win it is just delusional. Who realistically sees them beating Madrid or Barca in a tough semi?
Odegard is being subbed because he’s been horrible I mean is it that hard too see😊
Has any captain and supposed play maker been sub’d as often as he has? Theres clearly something missing in his game. He only plays well when things are going well, but not when they’re up against it in tight games.
Wish this guy wasn't an arsenal fan
probably has been a fan befoe you were born and longer than u have been alive
@@MobehTaBluesIrrelevant how long you’ve been supporting a club if you allow it to get cooked every week even if it doesn’t warrant a cooking without any retaliation.
People coming for turkish like he was playing on the pitch lol im an arsenal fan but i hate some of the so called arsenal fans
The only time people who like Arsenal fans are the ones who enjoy hear us cuss our own club 😂 as soon as we talk positively it’s “I can’t stand Arsenal fans” 🥱
Very true!
I think Arsenal just can’t handle pressure situations. It’s been happening before Arteta. I noticed that pattern a lot over the last 10 years but I can remember some major ones. The year Leicester won the league, and I think there was one in 2014 where arsenal were 5 points ahead and they went to play at anfield and Liverpool scored 4 goals in 20 minutes. Even when Leicester won it they actually beat Leicester twice and were supposed to win it, but their striker went 5 or 6 games without scoring and they kept bottling leads that year.
That’s because of the players we have. We don’t have players that arrogant calm under pressure. That’s one thing Arsenal lack
@@mohamedsaleh824 yeah that’s true. I’m a Man utd fan but I liked watching arsenal when wenger was there, but I always noticed that they didn’t do well with pressure.
@ yh even then we had stronger attackers and midfield but our back 4 and goalkeepers were below average at best average
It’s not that deep for this one, Arteta does not prep the team well in the cups. Part of it is not giving a shit and the other is ineptitude. You can see it
Cargo-culting Arsenal.
North London actually brings shame on English football, they win nothing. If it wasn't for UA-cam where would they be 😂
We have more trophies than you, football didn’t start 10 years ago, pipe down!
@corybrown416 We were winning major trophies long before your club, we also earned our place in top flight English football, it wasn't given to us in a raffle. Go an educate yourself
@ Telling me to go and check history when you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about is hilarious. Firstly, we won a major before you and secondly before 2008 you had only won 2 majors in a 100+ years, we had won more in 1 decade.😂 Secondly, we were voted into the league and have never been relegated since, not like your small club, who over decades have gone up and down between divisions more than a crackhead giving head at a porn convention! Try and use all the mental gymnastics you want, it doesn’t change the facts and regency bias won’t save you either because historically we’ve won more trophies than you and are the bigger club.
@@SuperCityMCFCYou haven’t won a major before us and we were voted into the first division and haven’t been relegated since, unlike you bums! Telling me to go educate myself, when you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about is embarrassing! 😂
Conference league is valuable to win because you earn a europa league berth in case your league form implodes.
Ferguson once said the domestic treble was impossible, before people start that means premier, carabao cup,and the fa cup, and also the treble with the champions league was impossible city did it so everything is possible.
@@freddiehardicre8752 And without a single charge against them. Oh wait.
@LocoAde are they guilty no course they are not half a billion on stadium extension, £170 on transfers ye sure dry your eyes