I think it's pretty telling that Druid has so consistently been a good class, and the Druid recipes have so consistently been terrible. I don't think Blizzard understands why Druid has been as good as it's been for as long as it's been.
What really bothers me about the druid recipe specifically is that it is notably worse than the recipe they showcased in the reveal stream. It includes cards that are so under the power curve that they would never be considered for a constructed deck. The previous one was at least looking average or just below average power level.
@@marleonka. They didnt put quest in paladin with so many buffs and lynessa either,Im pretty sure they've made it this way because quest will rotate out in new expansion
I have been wondering what priests theme actually is given this expansion. In the past we had priest as the dragon-synergie-class (alongside warrior) which is now just on warrior. Due to the hero power priest has had a healing theme, which is pushed for the paladin this expansion. This basically leaves the buffing effects (also something paladin might do better) and maybe mind-controlling as priest-themes. What is priest supposed to be???
@@lucasnadamas9317 haven't even tested out the New cards yet don't judge or else you'll end up like Trump HS underestimating The Rabbit and get Rekt by it
Something Trump missed about the control shaman is that it now contains chain gangs and shudderwock! That's a HUGE improvement over the last one: chain gangs are a great card, while the Shudderwock means the deck now contains an actual win condition to play towards instead of just fatiguing yourself to death.
it's definetly a good idea, since one of the biggest hearthstone's problems was the fact that it was very hostile against new players. Basically hearthstone has a good-large amount of players and that's it.. its not gonna get bigger, especially with magic's release. blizzard needs to answer to that.
There's several of them rolling, the one with the chiptune and the pixelated trumps moving around, and the more disco focused with trump dancing in anime style... probably some other that I don't remember.
How does Da Undatakah’s deathrattle interact with Carniverous Cube? Does it go into the deathrattle pool and you’re just hosed if he happens to pick it?
Possible cards to include in Even Rogue: Academic Espionage Dread Corsair Witchwood Piper Dozing Marksman Griftah Belligerent Gnome Stolen Steel Sea Giant Some relevant, even cost, tech card Feel free to add anymore that could work.
Academic Espionage would screw you completely, witchwood piper you will not need that much of a low cost minion, griftah is too slow, the others may be debatable...
@@Cuestrupaster Actually, I put in Witchwood Piper to draw minions made by Academic Espionage. So, yeah, I guess without the latter you won't need the former. Still think it's a fun idea though.
The surrender to madness deck actually has a combo with the surender to madness. In the same turn you can play mojomaster zihi and i would think you dont loss any tempo cause you are both set to 5 mana
I was thinking (and I know it sounds crazy) Beast warlock. Hireek and chitterer and that lifesteal spider guy and pterrordax and maybe the bat that spawns little 1/1 bats and potentially nethersoul buster and a untamed beast master to buff them when they draw and maybe even oondasta
If you play odd you're also cutting out polymorph, fireball and blizzard which are core cards and very important to have. Losing 2 meteors and 2 blizzards also means 4 less dragons from dragoncaller alana. Once you play Jaina as well your hero power goes back to 1 damage, so overall I don't think it would be very good.
@@lei-1474 the only thing that seems interesting is a 7 mana 4/4 + ragnaros on this deck. And it's enough to get some experiments, but i am not sure about it's true power level in the meta. Maybe buttom tr3 deck?
@@akhsdenlew1861 I think including Jan'alai is fair in that odd mage deck and works well, since you only need to use your hero power 4 times for it to activate. Plus, Rag is an elemental so you heal for 8 each time he attacks. Even including Jan'alai in a normal big spell deck might not be that bad since most of the time you're using a spell to clear the board and perhaps you have leftover mana to hero power, and early game you generally use your hero power to poke minions or the enemy hero, although it might be a bit too much considering the Jaina DK and Dragoncaller Alana is usually enough. Overall I'm pretty sure we will see Jan'alai in every odd mage deck, but other than that I think it's too slow and ambitious in regular mage decks.
@@lei-1474 Well if there will be an odd mage i think it's almost 100% that it will run Jan'alai in it. I mean ragnaros was played in multiple decks anyway and it was considered one of the best legendaries ever..having a 4/4 to go with it while jaina also exists is just...WoW Now, Depends on what win condition will be considered better for the slow mage decks. Sindragosa, alana, alex, lich king, baron..all these are played in different versions on big spell mage.. maybe it is worth to replace 1 of them for Jan hai.. especially with jaina. Also a good consideration is whether or not geist will be a good tech card for big spell mage... I mean.. it's pretty easy to find a spot for him in any mage deck. I will Definetly give it a go.
Oh, I get these decks aren't super refined and all... but why isn't there the new 14 (or was it 12) hp minion in the inner fire deck? Seems like a complete no brainier, and on it's own not that great so a perfect fit for a recipe
@@nandorszanyi157 I mean... that's a legendary, you can argue you shouldn't have too many of those in recipies, but it is a fair point for the idea of the deck as a whole
that's cool, but what's next? You're supposed to win with just that? Strong opener for sure, but u can't expect a deck to be viable with just a strong opener which requires 2 cards. It needs stuff going to turn 4 and later as well. Or u expect most of the meta decks to be defeated untill turn 3-4?
first surrender to madness, then mojomaster zihi, so you don't really lose any mana cristals compared to your opponent. I guess that's how it works, but we have to see if it'll be worth a damn yet.
@@dajo6725 I'm on the same boat, but we can't be 100% sure until we try. I'm 99% sure that it'll just be tried, it'll work one in a million times, make it into some trolden videos, and then RIP.
My guess why they don't allow it is if a very new player gets matched up vs. Whizzbang and they just see the new cards, they could get way too confused and might even complain to Blizzard why are other people playing the new cards and I can't. It's entirely possible for an account that's only like an hour old to miss knowing who Whizzbang is.
I wish they'd change Whizbang to "Discover a deck" instead. Would make it feel a lot less rng and you won't lose so much just casue you got a shitty deck.
Last expansion priest didnt have a single deck higher than tier 3 even tho every other class had, and now still priests get no gameplan for a deck just randomly above average cards..
Not exactly true. There are some good OTK combos coming with Talanji +seance, and Bwonsamdi+spirit of the dead. This should give priest enough redundancy to pull off their OTK. The other thing is mass hysterie that is a good control card, that will probably give OTK priest more survivability Oh and maybe Da Undatakah in a Mech'thun deck can work too.
@@VictouffeVideos Being an otk decks with druids around to compete with is bad enough already. Getting them in the expansion which is supposed to give us cards to disrupt the otks is even worse.
@@akhsdenlew1861 yes it's bad against druids. But on thedisruption i am not 100% convinced. The warlock spell just seem bad and i doubt it will be played much. Hakkar is cool and I hope to see cool decks with it, but I don't see it yet. The only card that i see against OTK is the one that set the mana cristal to 5. But even then it will most likely played to disrupt control deck and not necessarly OTK decks (Ok it might be fun to play against a Mech'thun)
Yes. Otherwise Legend ranks would be filled with players playing Whizbang decks, and then players wouldn't feel a need to buy packs/craft cards, and Hearthstone would end up making no money.
@@Hynch There's a big difference between decks that simply aren't optimized and decks that run straight up terrible cards. None of the whizbang lists are the same as whatever the net decked T1 version of those decks would look like and that's fine. There's really no need to put cards like gnaw in a whizbang list though.
How can blizzard maintain a game they clearly put very little time into learning how to play? It undermines my trust in the longevity of the game when I see them put these awful decks together. Remember these aren't only whizzbang decks. They are supposed to be useful suggestions for how to build a deck.
They're not meant to be perfect or highly optimized. They intentionally slip some bad cards into these deck recipes to leave room for the newer player to improve on. The main point of the deck recipes is to be a guide/teaching device to those who are a bit lost and/or intimidated by the deckbuilding process. Just because the deck recipes are bad doesn't mean the devs don't know how the game's balance works. The poor quality is partly by design.
Every class: *actual dialogue*
Priest: Greetings! Greetings! Greetings!
the light shall burn you
I think it's pretty telling that Druid has so consistently been a good class, and the Druid recipes have so consistently been terrible. I don't think Blizzard understands why Druid has been as good as it's been for as long as it's been.
Almost like the recipes are not trying to be good decks...
Mathmachine the recipes aren't supposed to be good, they are supposed to show the idea of the cards they got in that expansion
@@nathaniel582 I would at least expect archetypes/themes to be competently designed and work in decks as opposed to not.
@@nathaniel582 Probably not the response whizbang players want to hear
What really bothers me about the druid recipe specifically is that it is notably worse than the recipe they showcased in the reveal stream. It includes cards that are so under the power curve that they would never be considered for a constructed deck. The previous one was at least looking average or just below average power level.
No Gurubashi Chicken for outro. 1 star.
A Discard Warlock without Lakkari Sacrifice? Hmm.
They just can replace some cards in the decks like they do every time (this one too adding some RR cards)
@Takeda Last name was bait Maybe, but I think the deck has good enough synergies for the quest to work. And hey, even Trump mentioned it.
@@marleonka. They didnt put quest in paladin with so many buffs and lynessa either,Im pretty sure they've made it this way because quest will rotate out in new expansion
@@ZeronesZG A lot of the decks use UnGoro, Frozen Throne, and Kobolds cards. Not sure why they couldn't just include one more.
Watch Kripps video. You'll realise why the quest would just get in the way.
So basically, if you get Mage, you're in a good spot. If you get Priest, may the Light help you.
The light shall burn you :'(
Put your face in the light!
I have been wondering what priests theme actually is given this expansion. In the past we had priest as the dragon-synergie-class (alongside warrior) which is now just on warrior. Due to the hero power priest has had a healing theme, which is pushed for the paladin this expansion. This basically leaves the buffing effects (also something paladin might do better) and maybe mind-controlling as priest-themes. What is priest supposed to be???
The Surrender to Madness deck is even greedy enough to include Keleseth AS WELL. The absolute madlads.
It's called surrender to madness for a reason :p
When I whiz, there's always a bang.
explosive pee?
Have it looked at mate.
Archer : Phrasing
That bang is when you concede to the better decks becouse you got attack power druid
@@lucasnadamas9317 haven't even tested out the New cards yet don't judge or else you'll end up like Trump HS underestimating The Rabbit and get Rekt by it
No Oondasta in any deck?! Blasphemy!
Oondasta
lol
OofDusta
You're to powerfull for them...
@@ГенийЖизни-л7ю You're just salty I don't have Battlecry
You will definitely see some use my friend. No need to worry
Something Trump missed about the control shaman is that it now contains chain gangs and shudderwock! That's a HUGE improvement over the last one: chain gangs are a great card, while the Shudderwock means the deck now contains an actual win condition to play towards instead of just fatiguing yourself to death.
Anyone think they might move Whizbang to classic as an easy entrance to better/different decks for new player?
Yeah, probably, when it rotates out.
it's definetly a good idea, since one of the biggest hearthstone's problems was the fact that it was very hostile against new players.
Basically hearthstone has a good-large amount of players and that's it.. its not gonna get bigger, especially with magic's release.
blizzard needs to answer to that.
They should add him to classic. Maybe even just give him to new players.
Yes! They should do it next year when (hopefully) they put Malygos on hall of fame
Hello im new to hearthstone and I can't craft whizbang somehow please tell me why
Buff priest with no zerek lmao
And Test Subjects.
I know it's time for a new outro but I'm really going to miss the previous one.
There's several of them rolling, the one with the chiptune and the pixelated trumps moving around, and the more disco focused with trump dancing in anime style... probably some other that I don't remember.
Yesterday we can actually play totemic smash and frog rain in the mystifix deck ( only chaman ) but it patch now
These recipes are available now. Does that mean you can play early rastakhan cards if you play a whizbang deck?
Apparently not, though you could briefly before they fixed it.
@@NivMizzet89 you could, really? What a joke x)
I played against a guy who was getting the new cards off of Hagatha yesterday
Every other class: *Says their hero line with grace*
Anduin: "Greetings, greetings, greetings."
How does Da Undatakah’s deathrattle interact with Carniverous Cube? Does it go into the deathrattle pool and you’re just hosed if he happens to pick it?
Does Hooktusk trigger battlecries? It says summon, so I assume not, but it also doesn't say recruit even though it is effectively recruiting.
Anyone wants to bet that face druid will be better than anyone expected
Possible cards to include in Even Rogue:
Academic Espionage
Dread Corsair
Witchwood Piper
Dozing Marksman
Griftah
Belligerent Gnome
Stolen Steel
Sea Giant
Some relevant, even cost, tech card
Feel free to add anymore that could work.
Sea giant might be good,the rest seem pretty terrible
Academic Espionage would screw you completely, witchwood piper you will not need that much of a low cost minion, griftah is too slow, the others may be debatable...
@@Cuestrupaster Actually, I put in Witchwood Piper to draw minions made by Academic Espionage. So, yeah, I guess without the latter you won't need the former.
Still think it's a fun idea though.
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@@ikasa8223 Is a even deck not a miracle, actioneer would be TOOO SLOW, you would lose a lot of tempo... is terrible idea...
i dont know if has been done but you should do a challenge with trying to defeat the lich king with whizbang
It's been done by others, but not by him. Definitely possible. I tried and it's actually pretty difficult so I gave up haha.
@@joshuawenninger6439 i did it last expansion with quest for immortality whizbang deck (zerek and friends).
I know its too much work but what if you discard the lakkari quest reward? Can you get multiple portals?
A wild Trump appeared. Trump used criticize. It was super effective.
Always love the edits!
In those decks are lot of cards that will rotate. Are those wild decks only?
LOL Nothing rotates this expansion
The surrender to madness deck actually has a combo with the surender to madness. In the same turn you can play mojomaster zihi and i would think you dont loss any tempo cause you are both set to 5 mana
GREETINGS! GREETINGS! GREETINGS!
Annoy-o-Anduin?
no it's just regular anduin
Insomniac Kitty Wow! Thank you. Wow!
@@guyincognito5663 greetings, the light shall burn you, wow
Insomniac Kitty not quite what was planned...
Why in the world ISN'T Master's Call in the Hunter Beast deck?! Seems like that would be a no brainer addition in that deck.
I've actually had great success with even Pirate Rogue in wild.
How is he playing that? Im on right now and cant play
I was thinking (and I know it sounds crazy) Beast warlock. Hireek and chitterer and that lifesteal spider guy and pterrordax and maybe the bat that spawns little 1/1 bats and potentially nethersoul buster and a untamed beast master to buff them when they draw and maybe even oondasta
Yes, it does sound crazy.
Backround music? Wat it be?
Did... you.. do something? To Bach? Speed it up/raise the overall pitch? Seems off in some way which I can't put my finger on
Hugely disappointed in the druid attack cards. Oh well. There's always wild savage combatant synergies...
I also hate the druid meta, which is why I wanted to have more aggro face cards
Fuck druid
Most of the older decks will still be viable, the disruption cards might counter them though.
@James Lloyd Shit cards? rogue gets shit cards.. druid gets NO cards, only dusts.
@@akhsdenlew1861 rogue gets normal cards
Do you guys think a bid spell odd mage would work? Or is the need for meteor too high?
If you play odd you're also cutting out polymorph, fireball and blizzard which are core cards and very important to have. Losing 2 meteors and 2 blizzards also means 4 less dragons from dragoncaller alana. Once you play Jaina as well your hero power goes back to 1 damage, so overall I don't think it would be very good.
@@lei-1474 the only thing that seems interesting is a 7 mana 4/4 + ragnaros on this deck.
And it's enough to get some experiments, but i am not sure about it's true power level in the meta.
Maybe buttom tr3 deck?
@@akhsdenlew1861 I think including Jan'alai is fair in that odd mage deck and works well, since you only need to use your hero power 4 times for it to activate. Plus, Rag is an elemental so you heal for 8 each time he attacks. Even including Jan'alai in a normal big spell deck might not be that bad since most of the time you're using a spell to clear the board and perhaps you have leftover mana to hero power, and early game you generally use your hero power to poke minions or the enemy hero, although it might be a bit too much considering the Jaina DK and Dragoncaller Alana is usually enough.
Overall I'm pretty sure we will see Jan'alai in every odd mage deck, but other than that I think it's too slow and ambitious in regular mage decks.
@@lei-1474
Well if there will be an odd mage i think it's almost 100% that it will run Jan'alai in it.
I mean ragnaros was played in multiple decks anyway and it was considered one of the best legendaries ever..having a 4/4 to go with it while jaina also exists is just...WoW
Now, Depends on what win condition will be considered better for the slow mage decks.
Sindragosa, alana, alex, lich king, baron..all these are played in different versions on big spell mage.. maybe it is worth to replace 1 of them for Jan hai.. especially with jaina.
Also a good consideration is whether or not geist will be a good tech card for big spell mage...
I mean.. it's pretty easy to find a spot for him in any mage deck.
I will Definetly give it a go.
Oh, I get these decks aren't super refined and all... but why isn't there the new 14 (or was it 12) hp minion in the inner fire deck? Seems like a complete no brainier, and on it's own not that great so a perfect fit for a recipe
Better yet, why not lady in white
@@nandorszanyi157 I mean... that's a legendary, you can argue you shouldn't have too many of those in recipies, but it is a fair point for the idea of the deck as a whole
Damn I need to learn all decks all over again
What happened to Trumps road to legend with whizbang?
What games is he playing if not hearthstone for weeks?
Priest should have a wizbang deck that's titled concede to madness
Hey make a lil vid playing this weeks brawl ples :3
I think you're really underestimating even rogue. A 2 3/3 is very good for tempo and early game. It's able to get to 5/3 fairly often, too
that's cool, but what's next?
You're supposed to win with just that?
Strong opener for sure, but u can't expect a deck to be viable with just a strong opener which requires 2 cards.
It needs stuff going to turn 4 and later as well.
Or u expect most of the meta decks to be defeated untill turn 3-4?
Why would they not put krag'wa into the shaman deck with unstable evolution...
i am gonna miss the quest for amara deck
Am I missing something or how exactly is the "Surrender to Madness" + "Mojomaster Zihi" combo supposed to work?
first surrender to madness, then mojomaster zihi, so you don't really lose any mana cristals compared to your opponent. I guess that's how it works, but we have to see if it'll be worth a damn yet.
@@Jonjon13Jonjon13 no, it will not
@@dajo6725 I'm on the same boat, but we can't be 100% sure until we try.
I'm 99% sure that it'll just be tried, it'll work one in a million times, make it into some trolden videos, and then RIP.
just crafted a golden whizbang, best 3,2k dust ever spent
Love whizbang get to try out alot of decks before dropping money
..."even the mediocre ones like Howlfiend" ... mediocre ...
howlfiend might be the worst card in the game; it's a card where there's a strategy to PAY 3 mana to give it to your opponent
hey, at least it's a good counter to harbinger celestia... right?
@@aronma2765 Have you forgotten about Duskfallen Aviana?
I’m gonna love the shaman deck😍
Durexxiuns?
Greetings greetings greetings
Trump you should know that this starting music was ruined by a channel called behind the meme and now it just causes headaches.
Try kingsbane pirate rogue
nice outro! Is it new?
no, the *new* outro is old
Im 600 dust off for whizbang on a new account; made account too late for boomsday packs and too early for rastakhan feelsbadman
Omg the behide the meme music
Why whizbang dont give a new recipe deck in my game ?
My guess why they don't allow it is if a very new player gets matched up vs. Whizzbang and they just see the new cards, they could get way too confused and might even complain to Blizzard why are other people playing the new cards and I can't. It's entirely possible for an account that's only like an hour old to miss knowing who Whizzbang is.
Trump doesn't even own Blood Queen Lana'thel. I have a golden one.
I wish they'd change Whizbang to "Discover a deck" instead. Would make it feel a lot less rng and you won't lose so much just casue you got a shitty deck.
strange but ive been stomping on people at rank 10 with alot of these decks ive played whizbang so far cuz im broke as a joke
Trumpo The Mad Man
Congratulations to discard warlock for being completely fucking garbage for the entirety of the quests standard rotation.
Is that Vic2 music?
made blizzard hire trump to make whizbang deck next time!!
Glad i used all the dust i saved up to make a gold whizbang
@Sakura It sure does! Along with every card in your deck. For pure gold value, it's probably the best single card ;)
tfw we all have a 1/9 chance to get G O N K E D on release monkaS
The6900dustMan
THE BEHIND THE MEME MAN
So did they just forget to put good pirates in the set with tons of pirate synergy? Also holy shit these druid cards are hilarious.
lmao Anduin's dumb line
Man i just wanted to play a lakari sacrifice deck, why the fuck do i need two howlfiends ç-ç
I may be poor for having a whizbang deck BUT ITS GOLd
He said even rogue will not work hahaha, tier 1 deck...
Last expansion priest didnt have a single deck higher than tier 3 even tho every other class had, and now still priests get no gameplan for a deck just randomly above average cards..
Not exactly true. There are some good OTK combos coming with Talanji +seance, and Bwonsamdi+spirit of the dead. This should give priest enough redundancy to pull off their OTK.
The other thing is mass hysterie that is a good control card, that will probably give OTK priest more survivability
Oh and maybe Da Undatakah in a Mech'thun deck can work too.
@@VictouffeVideos Being an otk decks with druids around to compete with is bad enough already.
Getting them in the expansion which is supposed to give us cards to disrupt the otks is even worse.
@@akhsdenlew1861 yes it's bad against druids. But on thedisruption i am not 100% convinced. The warlock spell just seem bad and i doubt it will be played much. Hakkar is cool and I hope to see cool decks with it, but I don't see it yet. The only card that i see against OTK is the one that set the mana cristal to 5. But even then it will most likely played to disrupt control deck and not necessarly OTK decks (Ok it might be fun to play against a Mech'thun)
Want to buy some death sticks?
Priest: Greeting Greeting Greeting Greeting Greeting. LMAO
Btw, when do we get Whizbang 25-legend?
oof the Behind The Memes music bring back bad memories
I dunno. turn 3 3/6 is pretttttty good
Wash. Your. Back
This needs more upvotes..
YES
Darn, they removed my favorite Rogue deck...
wait what
Mech garbage? I've seen kolento pilot the mech deck that warrior can do. Probably not a carbon copy of the actual recipe but so strong.
That mech warrior deck is probably the strongest you can get with Wizbang I don't know what Trump is smoking.
I am sry Trump But even rogue will tottaly crush all Decks and it will BE Meta defining
Trump U ease up
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G OMEGALUL N K
6900 dust lol
Whizbang The Shit
does blizzard create bad deck recipes on purpose? in every single deck, theres at least 2-3 cards, wich are clearly just ... stupid? ^^
Yes. Otherwise Legend ranks would be filled with players playing Whizbang decks, and then players wouldn't feel a need to buy packs/craft cards, and Hearthstone would end up making no money.
@@Hynch There's a big difference between decks that simply aren't optimized and decks that run straight up terrible cards. None of the whizbang lists are the same as whatever the net decked T1 version of those decks would look like and that's fine. There's really no need to put cards like gnaw in a whizbang list though.
Of course. If they wouldn't, whizbang would be a budget player option
Whizbang the Disenchanted
“Seeing this really leads me to dismiss any possible type of attack druid working.”
- Trump 2018
(Just wait and see)
LOL Priest
Greetings.
greetings. greetings.
Reer
How can blizzard maintain a game they clearly put very little time into learning how to play? It undermines my trust in the longevity of the game when I see them put these awful decks together. Remember these aren't only whizzbang decks. They are supposed to be useful suggestions for how to build a deck.
They're not meant to be perfect or highly optimized. They intentionally slip some bad cards into these deck recipes to leave room for the newer player to improve on. The main point of the deck recipes is to be a guide/teaching device to those who are a bit lost and/or intimidated by the deckbuilding process. Just because the deck recipes are bad doesn't mean the devs don't know how the game's balance works. The poor quality is partly by design.
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Surrender to madness can work just throw some gargoyles for coins and Zerek.
100% Infinity War
Also Quest Hunter uwu
trump you differ from toast because you don't think the decks like gonk or OTK decks are any good and that kinda makes me sad :(