People in the church need to get over the white or dark skin controversy as it is clearly scriptural no matter how much it hurts peoples feelings. It is biblical as well as illustrated in the BOM, POGP, and other modern revelations. These are not matters of opinions or culture of the times. What is opinion and culture of the times are people’s views on the subject today. To believe the opinions expressed by people today is to ignore the scriptures, revelations, and ordinances of the church.
Michael P. is a deceiver. A wolf in sheep's clothing as it were. As a descendant of African slaves myself, I personally call Michael P. to huge REPENTANCE! 2 Nephi 5:21 shows that Michael is knowingly wresting the scriptures to his own destruction.
I think so, too, it truly is a trickster’s hurdle and we know the name of that trickster. Being easily offended is always a downfall. It causes loss of the Spirit, and nothing is on course after that. We are here to experience adversity, so EACH of us will be guaranteed our fair share according to our need. No matter how much it appears that one has it better off than another, that cannot be so, because even being obnoxiously wealthy, beautiful, or so-called “privileged” has it’s own equal adversity, and even bondage. When we pick one and claim ours is worse than another’s, believe me, oppressors are not off the hook from adversity and consequence, so why can we not just choose peace in iur hearts, trusting all fairness is alREADY promised AND guaranteed by Heavenly Father?! Those who attempt to take fairness into their own hands will not achieve justice, as that is God’s turf. We need to remember that no matter how much we think we know, there are things we don’t know, and some that we shall never know until it is given for us to know. One thing I do know is that committing abuse of power in response to suffering it is counterproductive, always. Boundary-keeping against abuse is fine, but revenge, or behaving the same way?-not productive at all. It breeds resentment that just keeps it going. I pray that we will all seek the Spirit for perfected discernment, because these are serious crossroads between being found and being fooled with the counterfeit of being so-called “found”…Lucifer steals righteous terms and twists them. Justice has been prepaid, we don’t need to attempt to obtain our own brand of justice, resentment doesn’t breed justice, it breeds brick walls. We have been given the perfect recipe and Guide for peaceful discernment. I pray we all tap into it, and never underestimate the even a slight wrong turn because far off course come as quickly as down the road comes.
@@Gasp7000 Very well said! God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that we are all equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
@@MichaelP_IsMe since Israelites were brown skinned: what evil did Jesus do in his pre-mortal existence? Why would God choose the Israelites a brown people? Your counterfeit doctrines are bankrupt!
Your research work and your faith are incredible your channel is indeed a gem for the LDS community and for all Christians who want to learn more about the history of the book of mormon, you awakened a new taste for archeology in me and I even think about following or studying this branch one day.
The fact that a separate people group was in North America.....several in fact....that were distinct from your average Proto- American Indian groups IN NO WAY PROVES "THE BOOK OF MORMON. It just proves someone else was there
Ever since discovering your channel with watching this video, I've been binge watching many of your other videos. I've studied the Book of Mormon deeply, probably 60 times through, and have a clear testimony of it being the word of God. There is a power in the book that I feel every time I study it. My testimony has never been based on archaeology or physical evidence, but instead, on the truths I've learned there, and the way it's helped me come to know my Father in Heaven and Jesus Christ. So watching all your videos is super fun. I don't need archaeological evidence to know the book is true, but it is very exciting to see historical evidences and learn of the places where events I know so well happened.
Nice video! I've always enjoyed your videos. It's not offensive nor wrong of the account which describes Zelph's skin tone being associated with his righteousness. The Book of Mormon says the same things but we must understand what the Lord has said. I'm a member of the Church and a person of color and I understand what happened and what the scriptures testify of. To say that much of the Church and also much of the United States was guilty of thinking like this that white skin was a blessing for righteousness and dark skin was a curse for wickedness is a statement of unrighteous judgment. We must be careful in what we say or want to point out or try to condemn. It's best to leave that to the prophets of God. In my country some people think the total opposite, some think white skin is a curse and not good. So people no matter what color have thought thas thought of the opposite on the same lines. I just think some people today don't understand things in the same light as them of old, just like how we look at slavery today and compared to in the past as it was common but today people made it seem as if it wasn't common and it was horrific. Sin is, "Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." James 4:17 Color wasn't actually an issue in Book of Mormon times neither in ancient Isreal times. That's a modern way of thinking but is not the thinking of the past. We have the Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price all testifying of these things as well as the JST of Genesis. I do believe that it took place in North America and some parts of Canada. The scriptures and the prophet Joseph Smith testified of it and I know their testimonies are true. Also oral traditions and history from some native tribes also confirm things and speak along the same lines. More evidence will come forth which will leave no excuse to not believe, but the greatest witness comes by the power of the Holy Ghost. Other than that good video🙏🏽❤️
how can you claim that "Color wasn't actually an issue in Book of Mormon times neither in ancient Isreal times."? When the Book of Mormon actually states that God "cursed" people with a dark/black skin? 2 Nephi 5:21: 21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
@@Donnie-Lee-Gringo: Jacob 3:5-8 5 Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness & the cursing which hath come upon their skins, are more righteous than you; for they have not forgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father that they should have save it were one wife, & concubines they should have none, & there should not be whoredoms committed among them. 6 & now, this commandment they observe to keep; wherefore, because of this observance, in keeping this commandment, the Lord God will not destroy them, but will be merciful unto them; & one day they shall become a blessed people. 7 Behold, their husbands love their wives, & their wives love their husbands; & their husbands & their wives love their children; & their unbelief & their hatred towards you is because of the iniquity of their fathers; wherefore, how much better are you than they, in the sight of your great Creator? 8 O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God.
Marvin Perkins showed that skin color in scriptures was not necessarily literal but an idiom to describe a persons countenance. He has videos on YT. "Blacks and The Priesthood."
@@rconger24 Something else to consider is that as the wicked disrobed from their modest clothing and began to shave their heads and wear only loin clothes, natural consequence could also be part of the picture, plus they became nomadic instead of industrious, but plundering and thieving to get what their brethren labored to build, grow and create. Much more sun exposure habitually can alter DNA into adapting with more melatonin, with darkens the skin as a protection from excess sun damage. It did make them more distinguishable. The I think so, too, it truly is a trickster’s hurdle and we know the name of that trickster. Being easily offended is always a downfall. It causes loss of the Spirit, and nothing is on course after that. We are here to experience adversity, so EACH of us will be guaranteed our fair share according to our need. No matter how much it appears that one has it better off than another, that cannot be so, because even being obnoxiously wealthy, beautiful, or so-called “privileged” has it’s own equal adversity, and even bondage. When we pick one and claim ours is worse than another’s, believe me, oppressors are not off the hook from adversity and consequence, so why can we not just choose peace in iur hearts, trusting all fairness is alREADY promised AND guaranteed by Heavenly Father?! Those who attempt to take fairness into their own hands will not achieve justice, as that is God’s turf. We need to remember that no matter how much we think we know, there are things we don’t know, and some that we shall never know until it is given for us to know. One thing I do know is that committing abuse of power in response to suffering it is counterproductive, always. Boundary-keeping against abuse is fine, but revenge, or behaving the same way?-not productive at all. It breeds resentment that just keeps it going. I pray that we will all seek the Spirit for perfected discernment, because these are serious crossroads between being found and being fooled with the counterfeit of being so-called “found”…Lucifer steals righteous terms and twists them. Justice has been prepaid, we don’t need to attempt to obtain our own brand of justice, resentment doesn’t breed justice, it breeds brick walls. We have been given the perfect recipe and Guide for peaceful discernment. I pray we all tap into it, and never underestimate the even a slight wrong turn because far off course come as quickly as down the road comes. The Nephites wore more from the head down, were that not so, they would not have described the Lamanites’ change of clothing customs with just mourning. They associated it with losing their devotion and reverence, and it was that behavior that had it’s own consequence, including the domino-affect consequences.
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
Wonderful to know others are seeing the links between the people of the Great Lakes and the Scriptures. Many of their stories echo the ways read in the BoM.
These are my own personal thoughts. The word “skin” doesn’t always mean a person’s epidermis. Think of the common description of someone having “thick” or “thin” skin. Doesn’t have anything g to do with their actual skin depth, it’s just a descriptive term for an aspect of their personality. I worked in law enforcement for 31 years and have met and got to know some very evil people. One person was so evil (a child molester) that you could feel an evil presence about him when he was in the right mood. What if these ancient writers didn’t mean “skin” like we think of it, but meant a person’s aura? What if ancient writers, who tended to be less literal than our culture and would use poetic license quite a bit, actually meant an “aura” of darkness (like the man mentioned above - who was white) rather than an actual skin color?
Hello Mr. P. How do I get an idea for you possible expound on. I do not see a way to email you. I think you will find this very interesting regarding the Narrow Neck of Land. An unexplored thought that could really shake a few things up.
Since a lot of people are commenting on this subject, here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have to trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I am fully aware of it, and I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned. What matters is whether someone follows Jesus Christ or not.
Skin color in the Book of Mormon was used to drive separation. Consistent with the Lord’s purpose in Moses 1:39, separation of groups is desirable if it preserves the good traditions of faith of one of the groups. But even early in 2 Nephi 26, the people were taught that black and white, bond and free, male and female are all alike unto God, and none are denied. Jacob is even able, in those early days, to point to the Lamanites as a group and say, yes their traditions are incorrect, but they are “more righteous than you.” They would not be judged on the external things they could not control (ie. skin color, or the traditions of their fathers), but would be judged on the inward things they could control (remembering God’s commandments regarding how to treat their wives and children). When the Lamanites were later distinguished for their righteousness and had divorced themselves from the incorrect traditions of their fathers, and the Nephites were comparatively wicked or lukewarm in their faith, they seem to have retained this separation characteristic. In other words, the “curse” was used by extension as a blessing for both peoples. The Lamanites account for some of greatest Prophets, the greatest prophecies, the greatest miracles, and the greatest acts of faith in the Book of Mormon. All while operating under what they called a “curse”. Clearly all the blessings were available to both righteous Lamanites and Nephites. In 3rd Nephi ch. 2, with the ascendence of a third group (Gadianton robbers), the remaining Nephites and Lamanites were joined in purpose, and there was no apparent value in retaining something to distinguish themselves from each other. So the “curse” was taken from them, and they became one people.
Hi Eric! Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent, just as the prophet Jacob commanded the Nephites to do (which you mentioned). God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have to trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, you pointed one of the reasons out, and I believe another one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors, just like the prophet Jacob called out the Nephites on how they viewed the Lamanites' skin color (again, as you mentioned). I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him (again, as you pointed out in 2 Nephi 26). I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
@@MichaelP_IsMe James1:13 Let no man when being tempted say God is tempting me, as God tempts none. All races came from our original parents, we are now going backwards and racism is aimed at a colour of people that never owned slaves. Every Sultan born was born of a slave woman, schools hide many real truths.
So were the nephites and lamanites actually white skinned or dark ? cause 2 nephi 30:6 says the dark skin upon them was scales of darkness and 2 Nephi 5:21 describes the curse of skin as a "sore affliction" upon their skins like blotches and scabs because 2 Nephi 30:6 clearly explains this as the case and they put on themselves in other parts of the text skins of black garments below their waste like jews today which symbolizes affliction and morning hence the book of Mormon talks about the whiteness of Christ garments and a state of purity this has nothing to do with skin color to me @@MichaelP_IsMe
Hi Karl, I made the map. It's based on quotes from early church history. The quote about the Gadiantons in northern Utah comes from Brigham Young speaking in Salt Lake City, recorded in "Journal of Discourses, Vol. 12, pg. 128". The quote about the Gadiantons in southern Utah is said to have come from Brigham Young speaking in St. George, recorded in "Temples of the Most High, N.R. Lundwall, pg. 86" (I have not yet found an earlier source for this one). This video is actually part of a 95-min video I made called "Quotes on Where The Book of Mormon Happened" where I go through every quote from early church history that I've found so far about Book of Mormon people and lands. If you want to check it out, the link is: ua-cam.com/video/TO-qDQlcJpg/v-deo.html :)
Ok, I feel like I need to clear something up. This whole “light” / “dark” thing is completely misunderstood In 2 Nephi part of verse 33 it reads: “For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.” So you see ‘Black and White’ refers more to people’s hearts than it does to skin. Even if it did ‘all are alike unto God.’
The topmost burial in the Zelph mound has been radiometrically dated to 90 AD 2 sigma. Whoever Zelph and Onandagus are, they are not in the BOM area, as during this time in the BOM there were no ites, and no battles. Also strange that the great prophet Onandagus is not even mentioned in the BOM.
michael i enjoyed most of your video but you need to read 3 nephi 2:14-16 !!! I think good people can be any color but you do not know more than the lord!!! If you do not think that the book of mormon is true then you need moroni 10:4!!! I did enjoy your research and you did a good job on most of it! I do understand why you said some of the things you said but i feel you went a little to far. I hope you pray about it and let me know what you find out? Thanks again. Larry
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
Michael P The evolutionist way of thinking is that skin color is related to geographical evolution. The creationists way of thinking is that skin color is from God. We have native American Indians amung us in America today. Some of them are black. How did their skin become black? If some of the Nephites survived, what color would their skin be? How did they identify a nephite or a Lamanite in battle? Just because the Nephites had white skin in the final battle we know they were wicked, but God had goven them different color skin to distinguish them from the Lamanites. They were all the same race, so black skin cannot be considered racism. The one law we must have a body to live is the law of chastity. If a person lives the law of chastity in mortality and never had a chance to accept the gospel in this life, but accepts it in the spirit world they will have a Celestial body no matter if they are black or white, male or female, bond or free, catholic or Muslim, or Hindu or whatever in mortality. There will be more people who never had a chance to accept the gospil in mortality that are in the Celestial kingdom than did have a chance.
I’m not sure Russia has been specified. However, that “a highway will be opened up” for them to come back upon their return (different than what the gathering of Israel is) as one profound event, definitely has been specified. When I think of where they are, I think of a place least paid attention to by the world, other than their concerns about melting ice. Seems to me that melting ice might be a way for that “highway” to be “opened up”. It has been compared with the event of the crossing of the Red Sea, a major “event”, unlike the ongoing “gathering” that is missionary work, etc. I’m sure there’s more to it. But it feels to me that if they are north, it will be a quiet, protected place not openly associated with typical world news and events, just a wild guess. Maybe their “event” will be partly a result of the work of the “gathering”? I need to study more. We do have church scholars who have lectured and written about this, like Hugh Nibley and others.
i think it's funny when people don't believe that the same Jesus of the bible is the same Jesus who visited the Americas, especially since before the flood the world looked very different when it came to landmasses, if you have studied Pangea, it was all the cotenants in the world all connected to each other, but when the great flood took place, it displaced much of that landscape under the sea and it also caused continental drift to take place over the centuries. to many people just believe that the world was always like this with the cotenants separated in present day, when there is loads of evidence of massive pyramids under the sea on the sea bed that have been down there for many hundreds of years, and there is also plenty of evidence through stories and various historical texts found all around the world of this. so to believe that the cotenants were always the same as they are today is simply ignorant.
History of the Church needs to be re-written to put authors in their own voice and indicate who they are. Common practice or not, making Joseph responsible for all these statements and giving them the authority that we infer to come through the active duty prophet is misleading and unjust.
Onandagus doesn't sound like hebrew but Lenape (Delaware Native American language). I wonder if Lenape was name given to them by those living here when they arrived over the bearing straight many years before the great battle with the Telagus (white/ mound buiders). Maybe Lenape means LA nep(h)e or not Nephi. Maybe the Lamanites saw these Asian people and said they are not Nephites. The Lenape written record says they fought with the ancestors or the Iroquois against the Talegus. With the zelph story we have a phrophet that has a Lenape name fighting with the Nephites.
They had to have gone all over the continent. I mean didn't the Pioneers go everywhere for 400 years mainly walking or with animals from the time the Pilgrims came? Can't see them being bottled up in one little spot for 1000 years.
There were three types of mounds, burial, worship, and can’t remember the other. But every family seemed to turn into a “tribe” and stuck together, yet lived in their own areas separate from other family groups. Their burial mounds would likely be like our cemeteries are to us now. They here in our communities. There were about 200,000 of them around the times of the Pilgrims. About 199,000 of them were leveled or dismantled by settlers settling the land, clearing it for building and planting. Finally, about 1000 were formally preserved. There is one near my house but the archeologists and state won’t verify it. They checked it out for the owner of the property, but they said there was nothing there. Then they told her that she was not allowed to dig anywhere on her property (or the mound) and deeper than 12”, otherwise, she would receive a heavy fine. Ha! It is native American territory, but not a reservation. It is round from Google Earth, and lies at the northern border of Maryland.
“What is the will of the Lord concerning the saints in the Territory of Iowa? 2 Verily, thus saith the Lord, I say unto you, if those who call themselves by my name and are essaying to be my saints, if they will do my will and keep my commandments concerning them, let them gather themselves together unto the places which I shall appoint unto them by my servant Joseph, and build up cities unto my name, that they may be prepared for that which is in store for a time to come. 3 Let them build up a city unto my name upon the land opposite the city of Nauvoo, and let the name of Zarahemla be named upon it. 4 And let all those who come from the east, and the west, and the north, and the south, that have desires to dwell therein, take up their inheritance in the same, as well as in the city of Nashville, or in the city of Nauvoo, and in all the stakes which I have appointed, saith the Lord.” -Christ Doctrine and Covenants section 125
Regarding skin color and righteousness- it is most likely that the Jaredites were a dark skinned or black skinned civilization. There goes the theory that righteousness equated to literal whiteness.
Yes! Some of the Jaredite names in The Book of Mormon are the same or similar to the names of descendants of Ham in The Bible. Also, Joseph Smith briefly mentions the controversial Kinderhook Plates in his journal entry on May 7, 1843 (Willard Richards was the scribe). Brigham Young briefly mentions them in his journal on May 3, 1843. William Clayton wrote in his journal on May 1, 1843, saying that Joseph said those plates came from a descendant of Ham. And Parley P. Pratt wrote in a letter to John Van Cott on May 7, 1843, saying that the plates were from "one of the ancient Jaredites back to Ham the son of Noah". We don't know for sure if Joseph told him this, but it's definitely possible. Sadly, a lot of scholars in the Church agree with U.S. academia that the Kinderhook Plates are a modern hoax, and there's even an article currently on the Church's website stating that. But when one really does some deep research into the "examination" of the plates and the "confession" from one of their "fabricators", there are a lot of major problems with the conclusion that the plates are fake. Wayne May and Utahna Jessop have done a lot of research on the subject, which I recommend looking into. My personal opinion is that the plates are legit and that the Jaredites (or at least some of them) were descendants of Ham. I want to make a video on it sometime in the future.
..really interesting, until I had a sermon on skin colour and the church having to repent. I'm Polynesian, and I wonder what else is on You Tube today...?
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
I have no problem with God using skin color to warn others of the practices of another group, how else was he supposed to mark them, a second head, a third arm, a sixth finger on their right hand? Skin color is the easiest to see, especially at a distance. And in The Book Of Mormon it makes it clear that skin didn't automatically turn white with conversion, or the sons of the Anti-Lehi-Nephites couldn't have worked for spies on the Lamanites. Now to a more modern reason. The Southern Baptists separated their churches into black only and white only, as did others. Some just had black people sit at the back or in balconies. That would never have worked for The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints. But it would have given its enemies political excuses to take official church status, or drag The Church into the Civil War. And it wasn't until the Civil Rights were sufficiently established that The Church could have fully integrated congregations without being attacked. Some claim it was because The Church was pressured to change, one source saying it was because BYU would lose its tax exempt status, as if a few dollars would be that big a deal, but the Prophet at the time (David O. McKay?) had been a long time supporter for the Priesthood being available to all men, yet it wasn't on the first day he became Prophet that the Priesthood Revelation was given, so it's clear that outside pressure nor internal desire had anything to do with the timing. Which proves it was of God, not man, both the withholding the Priesthood and allowing the Priesthood for all. Furthermore, in the Old Testament, the Priesthood wasn't just limited to skin color or even to whether someone was an Israelite, but with limited exceptions, it was limited to the tribe of Levi, more especially the sons of Aaron. Though the 12 Princes and 70 Elders, who all held the Melchizedek Priesthood, were selected from all the tribes. And their sons were chosen to replace them, until rebellion caused God to take away the 12 Princes first, and later the 70 Elders, though the Jews still had a 70 member Sanhedrin to judge the people at the time of Jesus Christ. It is clear though that most of them were very corrupt, having no authority from God.
Zelph? Humor follows: Maybe he should have said that his name was Lahmi...you know, Lahmi the Lahmite? 😁 In reality, Lahmi was a giant, a Gittite, one of Goliath's brothers. Joseph Smith could then claim that Illinois was actually Gath, a Philistine city. And then he could claim that this was according to the knowledge which he received from Amoron (Ether 1:8), a descendant of Moron. Amoron should not be confused with Ammaron, Ammoron, or any other Morons from the land of Moron (Ether 7:5). Maybe Omandagus was from Onondaga county, New York, and was one of the Onondaga people, a tribe of the Iroquois Confederacy? Why do all the Book of Mormon names come from places around Palmyra, NY?
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
Your video caught my attention, but by reading the comments, I guess it goes against Mormon scriptures. It sounds like you're playing a race card and carrying on a diatribe about a possible ancient racism, that probably didn't exist back then. I figure in any religion, either it's God's will or it's not! Good luck on your next video.
It does not necessarily go against our scriptures. But in the current self-righteously and culturally charged climate there are some obscure interpretations by non-experts.
@Ray Conger But isn't this racially, culturally charged environment we live in today, a sign that we're nearing apocalyptic times. Doesn't everything that's happening on the earth reflect that? I thought God said that peace would be lifted from the Earth, peace in all its forms. Did the actions of your early founders and church leaders reflect the race attitude you describe? I'm sorry, but I didn't finish it to the end, and maybe you reflected on your statement, but I have heard so many people making an issue of race recently, that I think it's overkill, especially when it comes to religion. I believe in keeping God and religion away from race issues. Trying to cast a potential race aspersion on God is like trying to deny the thousands of different colors of flora and fauna on earth. And there's no telling what people looked, or even what colors and shades they may have been, thousands of years ago. I don't believe we were the first ones here.
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
@Michael P What greater test for God's children is there than to let them choose their levels of tolerance and acceptance in life and then face Judgment Day.
People in the church need to get over the white or dark skin controversy as it is clearly scriptural no matter how much it hurts peoples feelings. It is biblical as well as illustrated in the BOM, POGP, and other modern revelations. These are not matters of opinions or culture of the times. What is opinion and culture of the times are people’s views on the subject today. To believe the opinions expressed by people today is to ignore the scriptures, revelations, and ordinances of the church.
Michael P. is a deceiver. A wolf in sheep's clothing as it were. As a descendant of African slaves myself, I personally call Michael P. to huge REPENTANCE! 2 Nephi 5:21 shows that Michael is knowingly wresting the scriptures to his own destruction.
I think so, too, it truly is a trickster’s hurdle and we know the name of that trickster. Being easily offended is always a downfall. It causes loss of the Spirit, and nothing is on course after that. We are here to experience adversity, so EACH of us will be guaranteed our fair share according to our need. No matter how much it appears that one has it better off than another, that cannot be so, because even being obnoxiously wealthy, beautiful, or so-called “privileged” has it’s own equal adversity, and even bondage. When we pick one and claim ours is worse than another’s, believe me, oppressors are not off the hook from adversity and consequence, so why can we not just choose peace in iur hearts, trusting all fairness is alREADY promised AND guaranteed by Heavenly Father?! Those who attempt to take fairness into their own hands will not achieve justice, as that is God’s turf. We need to remember that no matter how much we think we know, there are things we don’t know, and some that we shall never know until it is given for us to know. One thing I do know is that committing abuse of power in response to suffering it is counterproductive, always. Boundary-keeping against abuse is fine, but revenge, or behaving the same way?-not productive at all. It breeds resentment that just keeps it going. I pray that we will all seek the Spirit for perfected discernment, because these are serious crossroads between being found and being fooled with the counterfeit of being so-called “found”…Lucifer steals righteous terms and twists them. Justice has been prepaid, we don’t need to attempt to obtain our own brand of justice, resentment doesn’t breed justice, it breeds brick walls. We have been given the perfect recipe and Guide for peaceful discernment. I pray we all tap into it, and never underestimate the even a slight wrong turn because far off course come as quickly as down the road comes.
The “replies” indicator suggests I have two replies but I’m only able to see one reply from @gasp!7000, can others see the other reply?
@@Gasp7000 Very well said! God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that we are all equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
@@MichaelP_IsMe since Israelites were brown skinned: what evil did Jesus do in his pre-mortal existence?
Why would God choose the Israelites a brown people?
Your counterfeit doctrines are bankrupt!
Great to hear from you again Brother Michael P ! I love the tone of eagerness and the concise way that you present by.
Surprised I'd never come across this video before now. Great work.
Your research work and your faith are incredible your channel is indeed a gem for the LDS community and for all Christians who want to learn more about the history of the book of mormon, you awakened a new taste for archeology in me and I even think about following or studying this branch one day.
I’ve always enjoyed your videos
Thank you for continuing
The fact that a separate people group was in North America.....several in fact....that were distinct from your average Proto- American Indian groups IN NO WAY PROVES "THE BOOK OF MORMON.
It just proves someone else was there
Ever since discovering your channel with watching this video, I've been binge watching many of your other videos. I've studied the Book of Mormon deeply, probably 60 times through, and have a clear testimony of it being the word of God. There is a power in the book that I feel every time I study it. My testimony has never been based on archaeology or physical evidence, but instead, on the truths I've learned there, and the way it's helped me come to know my Father in Heaven and Jesus Christ.
So watching all your videos is super fun. I don't need archaeological evidence to know the book is true, but it is very exciting to see historical evidences and learn of the places where events I know so well happened.
Nate, I feel exactly the same way! :)
Yes!!! Thanks for making a fresh video!!
Nice video! I've always enjoyed your videos. It's not offensive nor wrong of the account which describes Zelph's skin tone being associated with his righteousness. The Book of Mormon says the same things but we must understand what the Lord has said. I'm a member of the Church and a person of color and I understand what happened and what the scriptures testify of.
To say that much of the Church and also much of the United States was guilty of thinking like this that white skin was a blessing for righteousness and dark skin was a curse for wickedness is a statement of unrighteous judgment. We must be careful in what we say or want to point out or try to condemn. It's best to leave that to the prophets of God. In my country some people think the total opposite, some think white skin is a curse and not good. So people no matter what color have thought thas thought of the opposite on the same lines. I just think some people today don't understand things in the same light as them of old, just like how we look at slavery today and compared to in the past as it was common but today people made it seem as if it wasn't common and it was horrific.
Sin is, "Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." James 4:17
Color wasn't actually an issue in Book of Mormon times neither in ancient Isreal times. That's a modern way of thinking but is not the thinking of the past. We have the Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price all testifying of these things as well as the JST of Genesis.
I do believe that it took place in North America and some parts of Canada. The scriptures and the prophet Joseph Smith testified of it and I know their testimonies are true. Also oral traditions and history from some native tribes also confirm things and speak along the same lines. More evidence will come forth which will leave no excuse to not believe, but the greatest witness comes by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Other than that good video🙏🏽❤️
how can you claim that "Color wasn't actually an issue in Book of Mormon times neither in ancient Isreal times."? When the Book of Mormon actually states that God "cursed" people with a dark/black skin?
2 Nephi 5:21:
21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
@@Donnie-Lee-Gringo:
Jacob 3:5-8
5 Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness & the cursing which hath come upon their skins, are more righteous than you; for they have not forgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father that they should have save it were one wife, & concubines they should have none, & there should not be whoredoms committed among them.
6 & now, this commandment they observe to keep; wherefore, because of this observance, in keeping this commandment, the Lord God will not destroy them, but will be merciful unto them; & one day they shall become a blessed people.
7 Behold, their husbands love their wives, & their wives love their husbands; & their husbands & their wives love their children; & their unbelief & their hatred towards you is because of the iniquity of their fathers; wherefore, how much better are you than they, in the sight of your great Creator?
8 O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God.
Marvin Perkins showed that skin color in scriptures was not necessarily literal but an idiom to describe a persons countenance. He has videos on YT. "Blacks and The Priesthood."
@@rconger24 Something else to consider is that as the wicked disrobed from their modest clothing and began to shave their heads and wear only loin clothes, natural consequence could also be part of the picture, plus they became nomadic instead of industrious, but plundering and thieving to get what their brethren labored to build, grow and create. Much more sun exposure habitually can alter DNA into adapting with more melatonin, with darkens the skin as a protection from excess sun damage. It did make them more distinguishable. The I think so, too, it truly is a trickster’s hurdle and we know the name of that trickster. Being easily offended is always a downfall. It causes loss of the Spirit, and nothing is on course after that. We are here to experience adversity, so EACH of us will be guaranteed our fair share according to our need. No matter how much it appears that one has it better off than another, that cannot be so, because even being obnoxiously wealthy, beautiful, or so-called “privileged” has it’s own equal adversity, and even bondage. When we pick one and claim ours is worse than another’s, believe me, oppressors are not off the hook from adversity and consequence, so why can we not just choose peace in iur hearts, trusting all fairness is alREADY promised AND guaranteed by Heavenly Father?! Those who attempt to take fairness into their own hands will not achieve justice, as that is God’s turf. We need to remember that no matter how much we think we know, there are things we don’t know, and some that we shall never know until it is given for us to know. One thing I do know is that committing abuse of power in response to suffering it is counterproductive, always. Boundary-keeping against abuse is fine, but revenge, or behaving the same way?-not productive at all. It breeds resentment that just keeps it going. I pray that we will all seek the Spirit for perfected discernment, because these are serious crossroads between being found and being fooled with the counterfeit of being so-called “found”…Lucifer steals righteous terms and twists them. Justice has been prepaid, we don’t need to attempt to obtain our own brand of justice, resentment doesn’t breed justice, it breeds brick walls. We have been given the perfect recipe and Guide for peaceful discernment. I pray we all tap into it, and never underestimate the even a slight wrong turn because far off course come as quickly as down the road comes. The Nephites wore more from the head down, were that not so, they would not have described the Lamanites’ change of clothing customs with just mourning. They associated it with losing their devotion and reverence, and it was that behavior that had it’s own consequence, including the domino-affect consequences.
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
Excellent! Great research and beautiful sourcing!
Great information. Thank you Sir.
Great stuff!!! Thanks for posting!!!
Wonderful to know others are seeing the links between the people of the Great Lakes and the Scriptures. Many of their stories echo the ways read in the BoM.
These are my own personal thoughts. The word “skin” doesn’t always mean a person’s epidermis. Think of the common description of someone having “thick” or “thin” skin. Doesn’t have anything g to do with their actual skin depth, it’s just a descriptive term for an aspect of their personality.
I worked in law enforcement for 31 years and have met and got to know some very evil people. One person was so evil (a child molester) that you could feel an evil presence about him when he was in the right mood.
What if these ancient writers didn’t mean “skin” like we think of it, but meant a person’s aura? What if ancient writers, who tended to be less literal than our culture and would use poetic license quite a bit, actually meant an “aura” of darkness (like the man mentioned above - who was white) rather than an actual skin color?
Thank you good brother for making these videos. Where on the Hill Cumorah were the Book of Mormon plates buried?
Hello Mr. P. How do I get an idea for you possible expound on. I do not see a way to email you. I think you will find this very interesting regarding the Narrow Neck of Land. An unexplored thought that could really shake a few things up.
Since a lot of people are commenting on this subject, here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have to trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does.
As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I am fully aware of it, and I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned. What matters is whether someone follows Jesus Christ or not.
@Michael P
I love your channel esp mitochondroal DNA and how the old estimates were too old by a factor of 10x. Is there any more about it?
Skin color in the Book of Mormon was used to drive separation. Consistent with the Lord’s purpose in Moses 1:39, separation of groups is desirable if it preserves the good traditions of faith of one of the groups.
But even early in 2 Nephi 26, the people were taught that black and white, bond and free, male and female are all alike unto God, and none are denied. Jacob is even able, in those early days, to point to the Lamanites as a group and say, yes their traditions are incorrect, but they are “more righteous than you.” They would not be judged on the external things they could not control (ie. skin color, or the traditions of their fathers), but would be judged on the inward things they could control (remembering God’s commandments regarding how to treat their wives and children).
When the Lamanites were later distinguished for their righteousness and had divorced themselves from the incorrect traditions of their fathers, and the Nephites were comparatively wicked or lukewarm in their faith, they seem to have retained this separation characteristic. In other words, the “curse” was used by extension as a blessing for both peoples.
The Lamanites account for some of greatest Prophets, the greatest prophecies, the greatest miracles, and the greatest acts of faith in the Book of Mormon. All while operating under what they called a “curse”. Clearly all the blessings were available to both righteous Lamanites and Nephites.
In 3rd Nephi ch. 2, with the ascendence of a third group (Gadianton robbers), the remaining Nephites and Lamanites were joined in purpose, and there was no apparent value in retaining something to distinguish themselves from each other. So the “curse” was taken from them, and they became one people.
Hi Eric! Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent, just as the prophet Jacob commanded the Nephites to do (which you mentioned). God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have to trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, you pointed one of the reasons out, and I believe another one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors, just like the prophet Jacob called out the Nephites on how they viewed the Lamanites' skin color (again, as you mentioned). I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him (again, as you pointed out in 2 Nephi 26). I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
@@MichaelP_IsMe James1:13 Let no man when being tempted say God is tempting me, as God tempts none.
All races came from our original parents, we are now going backwards and racism is aimed at a colour of people that never owned slaves. Every Sultan born was born of a slave woman, schools hide many real truths.
So were the nephites and lamanites actually white skinned or dark ? cause 2 nephi 30:6 says the dark skin upon them was scales of darkness and 2 Nephi 5:21 describes the curse of skin as a "sore affliction" upon their skins like blotches and scabs because 2 Nephi 30:6 clearly explains this as the case and they put on themselves in other parts of the text skins of black garments below their waste like jews today which symbolizes affliction and morning hence the book of Mormon talks about the whiteness of Christ garments and a state of purity this has nothing to do with skin color to me @@MichaelP_IsMe
Good work. Professionally produced. I enjoy your videos.
Thanks for the Video - Keep up the research.
I found two civilizations that I thought might come up in your research that I wanted to get further clarification on. The Mozeemleek and Gnacsitares
I would love a travel guide to all these sites, hikes, distances, details, and gps coords for these. Does anyone know of any?
You need to see the work Brian Nettles is doing with the Michigan relics. His channel is called Book of Mormon in the Heartland
The way the Forts and Mounds were built in the BofM puts the North American setting on 🎯
Yes! New video!
Who prepared the map showing the Gadianton robbers by Bear Lake? Just curious and would like to look at that information closer.
Hi Karl, I made the map. It's based on quotes from early church history. The quote about the Gadiantons in northern Utah comes from Brigham Young speaking in Salt Lake City, recorded in "Journal of Discourses, Vol. 12, pg. 128". The quote about the Gadiantons in southern Utah is said to have come from Brigham Young speaking in St. George, recorded in "Temples of the Most High, N.R. Lundwall, pg. 86" (I have not yet found an earlier source for this one). This video is actually part of a 95-min video I made called "Quotes on Where The Book of Mormon Happened" where I go through every quote from early church history that I've found so far about Book of Mormon people and lands. If you want to check it out, the link is: ua-cam.com/video/TO-qDQlcJpg/v-deo.html :)
Ok, I feel like I need to clear something up. This whole “light” / “dark” thing is completely misunderstood
In 2 Nephi part of verse 33 it reads:
“For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.”
So you see ‘Black and White’ refers more to people’s hearts than it does to skin. Even if it did ‘all are alike unto God.’
spot on, thanks.!
The topmost burial in the Zelph mound has been radiometrically dated to 90 AD 2 sigma. Whoever Zelph and Onandagus are, they are not in the BOM area, as during this time in the BOM there were no ites, and no battles. Also strange that the great prophet Onandagus is not even mentioned in the BOM.
It's interesting that the land that is labeled as desolation is the same area the great black swamp would have been.
michael i enjoyed most of your video but you need to read 3 nephi 2:14-16 !!! I think good people can be any color but you do not know more than the lord!!! If you do not think that the book of mormon is true then you need moroni 10:4!!! I did enjoy your research and you did a good job on most of it! I do understand why you said some of the things you said but i feel you went a little to far. I hope you pray about it and let me know what you find out? Thanks again. Larry
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
Where are these bones now? Why has no one else found these bones? DNA Testing would be very interesting.
They ran across so many, yet they had a military duty to perform at the time. I imagine they left them in their resting places.
It has been eight months since your last video. You haven’t gone meso have you? Just kidding. Looking forward to your next work.
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The evolutionist way of thinking is that skin color is related to geographical evolution. The creationists way of thinking is that skin color is from God. We have native American Indians amung us in America today. Some of them are black. How did their skin become black? If some of the Nephites survived, what color would their skin be? How did they identify a nephite or a Lamanite in battle? Just because the Nephites had white skin in the final battle we know they were wicked, but God had goven them different color skin to distinguish them from the Lamanites.
They were all the same race, so black skin cannot be considered racism.
The one law we must have a body to live is the law of chastity. If a person lives the law of chastity in mortality and never had a chance to accept the gospel in this life, but accepts it in the spirit world they will have a Celestial body no matter if they are black or white, male or female, bond or free, catholic or Muslim, or Hindu or whatever in mortality.
There will be more people who never had a chance to accept the gospil in mortality that are in the Celestial kingdom than did have a chance.
I watch all your videos. Thank you!
If you can, please research about proofs of 10 lost tribes of Israel went to the north, to Russia
Me, too! I love the way Michael lays everything out nuts & bolts style.
I’m not sure Russia has been specified. However, that “a highway will be opened up” for them to come back upon their return (different than what the gathering of Israel is) as one profound event, definitely has been specified. When I think of where they are, I think of a place least paid attention to by the world, other than their concerns about melting ice. Seems to me that melting ice might be a way for that “highway” to be “opened up”. It has been compared with the event of the crossing of the Red Sea, a major “event”, unlike the ongoing “gathering” that is missionary work, etc. I’m sure there’s more to it. But it feels to me that if they are north, it will be a quiet, protected place not openly associated with typical world news and events, just a wild guess. Maybe their “event” will be partly a result of the work of the “gathering”? I need to study more. We do have church scholars who have lectured and written about this, like Hugh Nibley and others.
Once again thank you brother can you do a video that focuses on temple worship 🙏✌️
i think it's funny when people don't believe that the same Jesus of the bible is the same Jesus who visited the Americas, especially since before the flood the world looked very different when it came to landmasses, if you have studied Pangea, it was all the cotenants in the world all connected to each other, but when the great flood took place, it displaced much of that landscape under the sea and it also caused continental drift to take place over the centuries.
to many people just believe that the world was always like this with the cotenants separated in present day, when there is loads of evidence of massive pyramids under the sea on the sea bed that have been down there for many hundreds of years, and there is also plenty of evidence through stories and various historical texts found all around the world of this.
so to believe that the cotenants were always the same as they are today is simply ignorant.
History of the Church needs to be re-written to put authors in their own voice and indicate who they are. Common practice or not, making Joseph responsible for all these statements and giving them the authority that we infer to come through the active duty prophet is misleading and unjust.
Onandagus doesn't sound like hebrew but Lenape (Delaware Native American language). I wonder if Lenape was name given to them by those living here when they arrived over the bearing straight many years before the great battle with the Telagus (white/ mound buiders). Maybe Lenape means LA nep(h)e or not Nephi. Maybe the Lamanites saw these Asian people and said they are not Nephites. The Lenape written record says they fought with the ancestors or the Iroquois against the Talegus. With the zelph story we have a phrophet that has a Lenape name fighting with the Nephites.
I am sure they had colonies outside the mound areas. It's human nature to keep spreading. Even if it's a small population that goes forth.
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They had to have gone all over the continent. I mean didn't the Pioneers go everywhere for 400 years mainly walking or with animals from the time the Pilgrims came? Can't see them being bottled up in one little spot for 1000 years.
There were three types of mounds, burial, worship, and can’t remember the other. But every family seemed to turn into a “tribe” and stuck together, yet lived in their own areas separate from other family groups. Their burial mounds would likely be like our cemeteries are to us now. They here in our communities. There were about 200,000 of them around the times of the Pilgrims. About 199,000 of them were leveled or dismantled by settlers settling the land, clearing it for building and planting. Finally, about 1000 were formally preserved. There is one near my house but the archeologists and state won’t verify it. They checked it out for the owner of the property, but they said there was nothing there. Then they told her that she was not allowed to dig anywhere on her property (or the mound) and deeper than 12”, otherwise, she would receive a heavy fine. Ha! It is native American territory, but not a reservation. It is round from Google Earth, and lies at the northern border of Maryland.
would need a lot better evidence than some guy said it.
“What is the will of the Lord concerning the saints in the Territory of Iowa?
2 Verily, thus saith the Lord, I say unto you, if those who call themselves by my name and are essaying to be my saints, if they will do my will and keep my commandments concerning them, let them gather themselves together unto the places which I shall appoint unto them by my servant Joseph, and build up cities unto my name, that they may be prepared for that which is in store for a time to come.
3 Let them build up a city unto my name upon the land opposite the city of Nauvoo, and let the name of Zarahemla be named upon it.
4 And let all those who come from the east, and the west, and the north, and the south, that have desires to dwell therein, take up their inheritance in the same, as well as in the city of Nashville, or in the city of Nauvoo, and in all the stakes which I have appointed, saith the Lord.”
-Christ
Doctrine and Covenants section 125
Pretty sure that you are totally wrong about the churches sin. Maybe you’re modern sensibilities or interacting with ancient facts?
Regarding skin color and righteousness- it is most likely that the Jaredites were a dark skinned or black skinned civilization. There goes the theory that righteousness equated to literal whiteness.
Yes! Some of the Jaredite names in The Book of Mormon are the same or similar to the names of descendants of Ham in The Bible. Also, Joseph Smith briefly mentions the controversial Kinderhook Plates in his journal entry on May 7, 1843 (Willard Richards was the scribe). Brigham Young briefly mentions them in his journal on May 3, 1843. William Clayton wrote in his journal on May 1, 1843, saying that Joseph said those plates came from a descendant of Ham. And Parley P. Pratt wrote in a letter to John Van Cott on May 7, 1843, saying that the plates were from "one of the ancient Jaredites back to Ham the son of Noah". We don't know for sure if Joseph told him this, but it's definitely possible. Sadly, a lot of scholars in the Church agree with U.S. academia that the Kinderhook Plates are a modern hoax, and there's even an article currently on the Church's website stating that. But when one really does some deep research into the "examination" of the plates and the "confession" from one of their "fabricators", there are a lot of major problems with the conclusion that the plates are fake. Wayne May and Utahna Jessop have done a lot of research on the subject, which I recommend looking into. My personal opinion is that the plates are legit and that the Jaredites (or at least some of them) were descendants of Ham. I want to make a video on it sometime in the future.
..really interesting, until I had a sermon on skin colour and the church having to repent. I'm Polynesian, and I wonder what else is on You Tube today...?
@@MichaelP_IsMe ..Isaiah 55:8,9.
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
I have no problem with God using skin color to warn others of the practices of another group, how else was he supposed to mark them, a second head, a third arm, a sixth finger on their right hand? Skin color is the easiest to see, especially at a distance. And in The Book Of Mormon it makes it clear that skin didn't automatically turn white with conversion, or the sons of the Anti-Lehi-Nephites couldn't have worked for spies on the Lamanites. Now to a more modern reason. The Southern Baptists separated their churches into black only and white only, as did others. Some just had black people sit at the back or in balconies. That would never have worked for The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints. But it would have given its enemies political excuses to take official church status, or drag The Church into the Civil War. And it wasn't until the Civil Rights were sufficiently established that The Church could have fully integrated congregations without being attacked. Some claim it was because The Church was pressured to change, one source saying it was because BYU would lose its tax exempt status, as if a few dollars would be that big a deal, but the Prophet at the time (David O. McKay?) had been a long time supporter for the Priesthood being available to all men, yet it wasn't on the first day he became Prophet that the Priesthood Revelation was given, so it's clear that outside pressure nor internal desire had anything to do with the timing. Which proves it was of God, not man, both the withholding the Priesthood and allowing the Priesthood for all. Furthermore, in the Old Testament, the Priesthood wasn't just limited to skin color or even to whether someone was an Israelite, but with limited exceptions, it was limited to the tribe of Levi, more especially the sons of Aaron. Though the 12 Princes and 70 Elders, who all held the Melchizedek Priesthood, were selected from all the tribes. And their sons were chosen to replace them, until rebellion caused God to take away the 12 Princes first, and later the 70 Elders, though the Jews still had a 70 member Sanhedrin to judge the people at the time of Jesus Christ. It is clear though that most of them were very corrupt, having no authority from God.
Your Polynesian! You should know your history...
@morbidclash ..really? And you should know how to spell. It's you're, not your.
They are still here
Zelph? Humor follows:
Maybe he should have said that his name was Lahmi...you know, Lahmi the Lahmite? 😁 In reality, Lahmi was a giant, a Gittite, one of Goliath's brothers. Joseph Smith could then claim that Illinois was actually Gath, a Philistine city. And then he could claim that this was according to the knowledge which he received from Amoron (Ether 1:8), a descendant of Moron. Amoron should not be confused with Ammaron, Ammoron, or any other Morons from the land of Moron (Ether 7:5).
Maybe Omandagus was from Onondaga county, New York, and was one of the Onondaga people, a tribe of the Iroquois Confederacy?
Why do all the Book of Mormon names come from places around Palmyra, NY?
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Your prophets like Brigham Young called the black skin as a punishment for sin as an eternal doctrine of your church.
Ummm so.
Actually Brigham was the most progressive leaders of his time with regard to the Native Americans.
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
@@rconger24 but he was the biggest proponent of banning African bloodline from the priesthood and temple attendance.
You've heard that joke about why Mormons are bad at football right?@@Donnie-Lee-Gringo
Your video caught my attention, but by reading the comments, I guess it goes against Mormon scriptures. It sounds like you're playing a race card and carrying on a diatribe about a possible ancient racism, that probably didn't exist back then. I figure in any religion, either it's God's will or it's not! Good luck on your next video.
It does not necessarily go against our scriptures. But in the current self-righteously and culturally charged climate there are some obscure interpretations by non-experts.
@Ray Conger But isn't this racially, culturally charged environment we live in today, a sign that we're nearing apocalyptic times. Doesn't everything that's happening on the earth reflect that? I thought God said that peace would be lifted from the Earth, peace in all its forms. Did the actions of your early founders and church leaders reflect the race attitude you describe? I'm sorry, but I didn't finish it to the end, and maybe you reflected on your statement, but I have heard so many people making an issue of race recently, that I think it's overkill, especially when it comes to religion. I believe in keeping God and religion away from race issues. Trying to cast a potential race aspersion on God is like trying to deny the thousands of different colors of flora and fauna on earth. And there's no telling what people looked, or even what colors and shades they may have been, thousands of years ago. I don't believe we were the first ones here.
The video is worth watching, the race stuff is extremely short and the person is just giving an opinion. I wouldn’t write it all off over that.
Here's what I believe: Persecuting people because of the color of their skin is wrong, and anyone who does it needs to repent. God is the giver or allower of all the trials that all human beings go through in this life. It's the reason why some people lose faith in Him and ask "How could a loving God do this or that?" "How could a loving God let this or that happen?" Most of us (if not, all of us) will ask a question like that at some point in our lives. This life is everyone's final test and we will all be tested to our own personal max. Jesus Christ Himself was not exempt from that. God does things to test all of us in this life, which sometimes seems weird, unfair or even cruel, but we have trust that He's smarter than us and has good purposes for everything He does. As for the skin color issue mentioned in the scriptures, I believe one of the reasons God caused or allowed it to happen was to test every person on how they would choose to treat their fellow brothers and sisters of different skin colors. I do not believe that God thinks one skin color is better than another. The Holy Spirit testifies to me that every single species He has created has beauty in variety, including human beings, and that all humans are equal to Him. I believe the dark/light skin issue in the scriptures is similar to the uncircumcision/circumcision issue in the scriptures. For whatever His reasons, God used it for a length of time, but it actually doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or uncircumcised, just like it doesn't matter whether someone is dark-skinned or light-skinned.
@Michael P What greater test for God's children is there than to let them choose their levels of tolerance and acceptance in life and then face Judgment Day.
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I don't need to be preached to about "racism". Stopped listening to and watching the video when you started doing so.