Film Theory: The Uncomfortable Truth about the Jedi Order (Star Wars: Jedi are Evil)
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2019
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Watching back all the old Star Wars movies in preparation for episode 9, Rise of Skywalker, brought to my attention something VERY troubling. The Jedi are awful! Now, don't pull out your lightsabers just yet. There is SO MUCH evidence pointing to the Jedi having some shady practices, especially when it comes to the Padawans. Strap it tight, Theorists. I'm about to rip open all the troublesome truths about the Jedi Order.
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www.psychologytoday.com/us/bl... - Фільми й анімація
"Hey Kid wanna become an indentured servant?"
"I'm already a slave though."
"Yeah but we let you have super powers."
its that or leave the kids out in the open where their powers can be sensed so they can be picked up by any other organization who wants to use them. let them bond with their parents and all someone needs to do is abduct the parents to leave the jedi compromised. Same for marriage.
Yay in Anakins situation becoming a Jedi would be beneficial to indentured servitude is better than slavery and you get magic powers
@@tyrant-den884 But is this really it? Because why do they have to be turned into monks?
@@carlycrays2831 they don't really. Several Jedi left the order under peaceful terms once the Council knew they could protect themselves and others from their powers.
"yeah sure, i'm not as emotionally unstable as the pathetic life forms like anakin"
Mother: I love you son
Jedi: hippity hoppity your child is now my property
Lmao imma save that one
You mean “OUR” property, Jedi stay together.
Jasier A. Jedi aren’t venom “WE want the child” 🤣
@@ASA-ux7cg* communism intensifies *
A lot like our marxist education system !
Karl Marx was in fact third c0usin of Nathan R0ths-child, you know the evil )3wish banking dynasty which funds all wars and ALL SIDES ! whoever wins or loses THEY get paid ! and they move ever closer to the )3 wish religious prophecy of ruling over the non ch0sen ie US ! AKA world communist government (communism which THEY created) !
Kenobi: “Only a Sith deals in absolutes”
Also Kenobi: “Join me or die”
From this we can deduce that both the Jedi and Sith are evil they both view each other as evil but never look at themselves and see how they are acting and treating their own kind and their own kind's families.
When did Kenobi ever say or even suggest "Join me or die"?
@@dylancox631 he said it with his actions
@@Lord_Baphomet_well anakin did slaughter a bunch of children. His actions are definitely justified here
@@dylancox631 it happens off camera
In Qui-Gon's defense, he did try to free Shmi and might have done so eventually if he hadn't died.
True
Bruh why didn't he just take her? He's a jedi. Who tf was gonna tell him no, and why would it matter if you're leaving the planet tomorrow?
@@ghhg2890 I think the Hutts could have made a big deal about it and it was wiser not to start a war with them at the moment.
He could've taken her, slavery was suppossedly outlawed.
@@evzenvarga9707 So is organ trafficking, but real life gangs still do it and Lord have mercy on those who interfere with their business.
That is LITERALLY the point of the prequels, to show how the Jedi Order lost its way and it lead to their downfall and the rise of the empire
Preaching to the choir
Yep, dont know why this theory exists, guess he didn't read into the prequels enough
Give a cookie to this man
WE HAVE A HERO
@@Ivan-cs8tw why am i thinking that film theory does tragic theories for more views?
"Only the SITH deal in Absolutes." - Obi
Me: "That's an absolute."
"Do or do not, there is no TRY." - Yoda
Me: "...another absolute."
Key word is deal
@@SkulxCrusherx key word is only
@2 Crazy
...You mean like Jedi have done various times before?
@@ulfricstormcloak6675 fiction mirrors reality
@2 Crazy no, obi wan meant that only the sith will be against u if ur not 100% on their side
"Parents give their 3-year-old child to adult man waggling their lightsabers"💀💀💀
I recently watched Star Wars Rebels, and the Jedi Temple's test literally makes you face your worst fears and you can be killed.
To be fair though, it did work
And there putting 5 year olds through that
Anakin: I don’t like sand.
JJ Abrams: Write that down
420 likes
I don't get it, can you explain?
O K blaze it
Ok.... at this point i just have to assume that making fun of the sand line has become an ongoing trolling, but in reality, that line at that moment in that scene was actually perfect and made complete sense........I suddenly get the feeling that I'm about to get flamed
Adriana Aguillon
who are you even talking to?
So being a Jedi is basically being a pokemon trainer?
when you look at the comments before watching the video
A jedi master*
A jedi would be like being the Pokémon
Lol anakin killed pokimons
Tud Elite or being the pokemon
::sings:: Gotta catch 'em all! Padawans! I MEAN Pokemon!
Samurai, soldiers, and most warrior culture began their training at 4 years old or younger
Yes but they don't separate from their families
and in most cases the training is encouraged from the family
@@urbanwarchief nah
@@tintin999 have you looked into what the Spartans done to their 12-15yr old kids
YES. This is one of your best theories.
Seriously I always felt this way, and completely understood the dark side characters who were ex-jedi. THAT'S A LOT OF TRAUMA. Honestly I pity the ex-jedi sith more than anyone else in Star Wars ... they were forced into a cultish organisation from childhood, forced to not act on their very probably volatile emotions, and ran straight into the arms of someone who specifically looked for folks like them just to manipulate their hatred and grief and trauma for his own gain.
Also, Obi-Wan is definitely my favourite SW character, but I honestly think a huge part of Anakin's downfall was his fault and due to the strain of their relationship. Part of what I like about Obi-Wan is that he looks like just a plain old kind of boring hero dude, but his character is actually pretty complex, deep, and morally grey. He's really uniquely written imo.
Both the Jedi and Sith are evil, with the Sith being worse but only because the Jedi are bad in the first place. The force is ... well ... a huge force to be reckoned with, and it's super easy for having that much power to corrupt someone, even if their order is specifically designed to prevent such an occurrence.
i mean would you rather have the order having planet busters and .what they do to force sesitives im pretty sure the republic is kepping a sembelince of peace
The entire point of the prequels was that the Jedi were not as they once was lol
"Can you imagine a world where parents willingly give up their 3 year olds and sends them away to a compound with adult men?"
Sparta.
The entertainment industry.
Just saying. Adoption.
I was put up at 3 years old and adopted at the same age. Haven’t had contact with birth parents sense. Willing gave up their kids permanently at the age of 3... checkmate
@Dimosthenis Karamparpas One does not simply leaves the wealthiest city of Ancient Greece.
And adult women
Shaking their sticks
"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!" - the guy who murdered 30 children
edit:
Wow, just ... wow.
the amount of ppl that seem to think the murder of children ist in anyway justified is really disturbing
And who is a Jedi
HMMM
@@poissonmulti-taches2742 He was Sith at that point.
30 Jedis
@@kacchanteh6532
30 younglings
It’s a good thing that Luke realize this and allowed his students to have attachments thus fixing the Jedi order
Luke and his students didn’t last to long though 👁 👁
@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 in Legende they did
Imagine if John wick existed in Star wars with the force i wonder what kind of force user he would be ?
Or the punisher or batman ?
@Moshin Rafsanjani so by your logic punisher is the opposite of mace windu because batman is like mace windu ? And what about the john wick? Can we say the same for him to ?
with the word of a Sith Lord: "Don't look so amazed. The Sith were always born and re-born within the ranks of the Jedi." - Darth Krayt
badgamemaster balance will always return even if both got wiped out it would just create the cycle all over again
badgamemaster because Jedism is a lawless cult whereas siths are the people who broke free of the cult and seeks law and order. Hence the 501st legion motto, Bad guys doing good.
@@FJhei couldn’t be farther from the truth. The sith are objectively bad and vice versa. The Jedi of the prequels did have many flaws, but you could not say they were in bad intentions for the whole of the Jedi
The main problem with the Jedi is they are always certain that they're never wrong. They don't grow or learn new wisdom as they develop. Hence why Qui-gon, Obi Wan, and Yoda all became better in their older age. They learned from their failures. The rest of the Jedi don't.
"Your arrogance blinds you Master Yoda" -Palpy boi
I remember somewhere across Star Wars lore Yoda said that the Jedi were wrong in their actions but he couldn’t see it.
Obi wan did say only sith deal in absolutes. While he isn't dealing in an absolute, he is still stating one. Cinema wins made this point in his starwars episodes 1-3.
Hello the entire conflict of KoToR 2
@@TheBoarKing1 legends?
I’ve rewatched this video a dozen times now and love it each and every time! I do have one note: the “Pathetic Lifeform” known as Jar Jar (when you go back and watch Star Wars the Clone Wars) is actually freakishly competent. Maybe there is something to that…
It’s too bad nobody (especially this channel) will ever see this post again…😢
07:42 granted, Qui-Gonn did try to free Anakin’s mom, yet knew better than to use direct threats on Watto to make him change his mind.
The only way to free Anakin's mom is to use Jedi mind trick, "no" other way.
Bring money back to buy her freedom is not that hard, especially when Jedi hold enormous power in the Republic.
"Do or do not. There is no try."
"Only siths deal in absolute"
Both jedi quotes. Come on!
I KNOW RIGHT? The light and dark side are closely connected to each other, with a lot of differences, but really close nonetheless.
@@carmenjimenezpadilla5879
And instead of accepting the diffrences, they pushed eachother away.
Anakin could've been the jedi who used the dark force to bring balance.
Instead, the jedi called him forsaken and he went to the only people who accepted him, the sith.
Could've been a perfect balance. Instead, arrogance kept the cycle flowing.
Darth revan became dark lord of the sith in the old Republic but was not consumed by the dark side
Diamond Knight and that’s why Darth Revan is the GOAT
But that's an absolute, therefore the Jedi are the Sith.
I actually hate sand
sand is trash
Robert McMinn Don’t we all??
😅😅😅
Nik Amalia Arissa not me 😂
Ya Yeet Idk Oof-
Who likes sand anyways
0:10 That joke was cold. Oh wait nevermind, it was hot.
Wait till he realizes what the empire does to force sensitive children.
*kills children to protect them to not fall to the Jedi.*
Gives me stop resisting meme vibes.
Matpat: you can't leave the jedi order before completing your training.
Ashoka: am I a joke to you?
She was kicked out. She just didn't accept the invitation to return.
@@abitcattywampus so she left
@@Mux_Bel She was kicked out and didn't return because she didn't want to.
@@leylapank4671 and as result left the order behind
@@Mux_Bel do you not know the difference between being kicked out and leaving??? She was FORCEFULLY MADE TO LEAVE dumbass she had no choice.
"You've made a commitment to the Jedi order."
"I WAS 3 YEARS OLD!"
Yessss!!!!!
Brutus B. Martins this is true but they were taken at a very you age. From here on out I believe the new Jedi order will stop that practice. Change their ways. Wait until they are 10+ to decide
@@Daddyvader7 Oh fantastic, you can decide forever whether or not you want to commit to a life long order before you hit middle school, or less than a year after being 'saved' from slavery!
"You've made a commitment to the Marxist totalitarian new world order."
Geta "I WAS 16 YEARS OLD AND HAVE ASPERGER'S !!!!"
Ye about anyone would want a shiny glowing blue slice sword lightsaber even at 3 then they keep you for their selves
2 years later, episode 6 of Book of Boba Fett is really helping support the whole mind washed jedi theory here. It also helps support Asohkas reasoning for not taking Anakins offer to rejoin the order, she took it as her opportunity for a free out from an order she now realised never trusted her, but only used her.
My personal theory. Way back when near the old republic era the Jedi moved their temple onto corosant to try and cover up the sith one. Unknowingly the longer they stayed the more under the influence the later Jedi would become. I think this is why you see styles like Mace Windu who actually used the dark side powers of his Opponent to increase his abilities when facing them.
Anakin: "I'm worried about my mother."
Obi-Wan: "Oh yeah! We freed her a month ago and got her set up on one of the republic relief programs. I think she'll be trained to do clerical work. I'll get you her number before long."
Anakin: "Oh. Cool. Guess I can focus on my training then, knowing my only family is alive and safe!"
Also...
Anakin: "I've been having these terrifying dreams, master."
Yoda: "Undergoing a delicate medical procedure, your pregnant wife is. Normal, your dreams are. Fine, everything will likely be. Awesome, our healthcare system is!"
Anakin: "You knew?!"
Yoda: "Knew, everyone did. Disappointed, the council is. Demoted, you will likely be. Normal, this situation also is."
Anakin: "Huh... Master, I think the chancellor might be a Sith Lord."
yoda: Avoided demotion you have
Windu: You have earned your seat on this council, and... we grant you the rank of Master.
*And then windu appears :* A Sith...Lord ?!
Leaving his Jedi job to become a farmer on Naboo, buried Shmi and Padme after they died from old age, then ferry Luke and Leia to school in his twilight year? I think Annie will take that.
The good ending
The clone wars show actually looks at this topic properly
Jared Rasen actually... she was kicked, and asked to rejoin. She declined
@@AidanRampair They accused her of murder and when it was found out she didn't do it they were like oops, wanna join again?
What other lies have I been told by the council?
Noah Misuda
There is only one purple cyber crystal
Noah Misuda children are taken in the blink of an eye and trained since the age of three. Also, the fact that they gotta find the kyber crystals themselves for their lightsabers. Ah and one more thing: like I said, the children are typically taken without their consent
That why everyone should watch the clone wars because it expertly conveyed the idea of the grey area more than any other Star Wars property or any movie in general
Okay Mat, but... where are you getting this idea from, that he's not allowed to quit his jedi training? Because it's not mentioned anywhere in the movies and every piece of extended media that addresses this says that jedi-in-training are allowed to quit whenever they want.
You're just pulling this out of nowhere, aren't you? Because once they are allowed to leave, your *entire* argument just falls apart. So this entire video is just built on an unreasonable assumption.
"And yes, the entire fault of the fall of the Republic is because of the jedi."
What? No, it isn't. If Anakin hadn't turned to the dark side, which you blame the jedi for, Palpatine wouldn't have been revealed as a Sith Lord to the jedi. There would have been no confrontation in which Anakin saves him and then order 66 would have gone off without a hitch and Palpatine would have still killed all the jedi and taken over the galaxy. Blaming the jedi for the Empire is ridiculous. If they hadn't been around, Sidious would have still taken over, because he didn't actually need Anakin. Or any of the jedi for that matter.
Film Theory: Mat Pat is a Sith.
You would be correct in that one.
Anyone who hates an Ewok is a Sith, there I said it.
@@theramonjr I have spoken
Darth Maap
Mat Pat: The Jedi recruitment tactics are evil and immoral
Sith apprentice training which includes mental and physical torture: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
I'm pretty sure, even as a functioning adult if given the deal of 'join our cult and get a laser sword', my response would ok where do I sign.
Brutem Agreed.
Yop
Also, super powers
But no putang
Join hacksmith industries they have a functional proto saber
That’s Why Dooku was right all along. He saw Jedi and the Republic are corupted but nobody took him seriously. And that all led to their downfall.
I think that’s why anakin really WAS the chosen one, he DID bring the force back into balance. For centuries there had been no sith, only light side, only when he became Vader did he bring back the other half of the force
"For centuries there had been no Sith"
Umm, did you actually watch the movies?
@@grimlord3181 The sith were basically "extinct". Like the Jedi said they had been for millennia. This is because of the sith rule of 2. "Bane's Rule of Two mandated that there could be only two Sith at a given time: a Sith Master to embody power and a Sith apprentice to crave it."
The sith were lurking in the shadows following Darth Bane's plan of following the rule of 2 so that the sith could grow more powerful than the whole Jedi order and exact revenge.
"The Rule of Two's establishment coincided with the creation of a plot, known as the Grand Plan, for the Sith to corrupt the Galactic Republic from within, diminish and disgrace the Jedi Order, and eventually rise and conquer the galaxy; the Sith would soften up their enemies before zeroing them in for total subjugation."
This was eventually done by Darth Sidious. Now there's an argument to be had that I think @eternalmiasma5586 is trying to say here. The light side of the force was more powerful than the dark side in terms of numbers and probably power for a long time after the Jedi-Sith war. This argument relies heavily on the fact that some say the Jedi interpreted the "prophecy of the chosen one" wrong. That the chosen one was supposed to bring balance to the force, but the balance means equal power on both the light and the dark side. To me, all light side and no dark doesn't seem too balanced. Like day and night.
Is that why the dews are Satan? To balance the world?
Corruption isn't balance.
Jedi: We are good.
Empire: We are bad!
Grey Jedi: Force is Force.
Amen...
Grey is the true force
Grey Jedi seeing the force as a force that have no will is why the grey Jedi concept should be more explored in this day and age
The age where everything has a the good and the bad
Grey Jedi should just be force users
@@peacechan4500 Not necessarily true, the dance has hardly finished.
This is why I love Ashoka because she realizes that the Jedi Council is wrong and leaves them and becomes a gray Jedi. I also love the concept of purple lightsabers because you are using the dark side for light side a good mix of the two
Ashoka was expelled, also it's called a temple guardian
Gray Jedi are just a retcon to make it seem like Lucas understood nuance the whole time.
How can she be a grey Jedi when she is not a Jedi anymore and also grey Jedi is not a thing
Ok ok I get it I don’t want to start drama
@@aidenknightofaskr3705 a grey Jedi is what a rogue force user is called that is neither sith or Jedi like maul or Ashoka.
The Jedi code reminds me a lot of Christianity. It's intention is well placed, and most Christians are good people, but there are corrupt self righteous individuals that claim Christianity that don't practice what they preach, and it's the same with the Jedi Order. They're so focused on their own self interests and having what they believe is a moral superiority, that they don't realize, or maybe they do, idk, that they judge, and condemn, and actually go against their very teachings. Also please don't bash me for anti religion, I am a Christian myself, but these things are unfortunately true with some people. We all know the type.
Pretty sure that the comparison between the two is supposed to be there.
Well spoken. This is kind of why I try not to judge people for how they live their lives because I’m no saint myself. There’s nothing wrong with holding someone accountable for certain decisions when you aren’t sounding like a hypocrite or appear to be forcing your mindset on them. There’s no perfect lifestyle but typically when you respect people they will acknowledge or even appreciate it. As far as the Jedi go they made stupid decisions that went against their own code. For starters, at least 2 members of the council lost control and acted afraid or angry in all of the Star Wars prequels. Also it’s very hypocritical for them to say one thing but do another(The Phantom Menace), lie and manipulate someone who’s done everything to be loyal(including put his mother in the past), or claim to not be soldiers but take place in a war only because it concerned them as much as everyone else. I can’t hold much against them for training children because real countries have done this but those people typically made sure that needs were met. If the Jedi Council had been honest with Anakin about everything that concerned him then he would’ve seen less the need to consult Palpatine. Also it was idiotic for the Jedi not to monitor Anakin if they were so concerned that he was dangerous. I’m not saying that they needed to eye him like a hawk but they could’ve have spent time with him other than just hearing his reports on missions that he and Obi Wan were sent on.
The Jedi is closer to Hindu/ Yogi /Buddhism Hybrid.
Not really, Yahweh is an actual villain if you see how he acts. His favoritism, sexism, and hatred led to every conflict that ever existed.
@@onetruesavior69 lol no, of you read bible and not recap on internet you see that Yahweh is not evil. This is statement like many other atheist who said lik Jesus is copy of other older gods lol this is not true. I share some links if you want but this is some bullshit who people said on internet and never read bible. In bible you have all answers
I disagree with Qui-Gon being in the same basket as the other jedi. In fact, it would’ve been best if he trained Anakin, and then maybe he wouldn’t have turned into Vader.
Qui-Gon was the one jedi who saw the problems with the council, and often disobeyed the jedi code and made questionable decisions where the moral implications are albeit murky for what he perceived as the greater good. If you remember, Anakin was by far a special case, Qui-Gon himself sensed an enormous amount of force power from Anakin, and found out that this kid had to be the chosen on.
Qui-Gon is the one jedi who cared about people(I suppose you could count some others if you use the expanded lore, like Obi-Wan and Plo Koon, etc), as he showed when he saved Jar Jar from the Gungan king. Yeah he played it off as “This gungan could be of use to me”, but he saw a life in danger and decided to intervene, even using jedi mind tricks to get the job done, embracing morally murky decisions for, again, the greater good. I wouldn’t say jedi mind tricks are like brainwash, they’ve always been a sort of influence, a momentary guide of a persons thought process, rather than a full on-and-off switch
Qui-Gon may have been someone Anakin could’ve talked to Padme about, and he’d be understanding of it.
So after the Padme nightmares, and after when Palpatine told Anakin about Darth Plagueis and the ability to save others from death, Qui-Gon could’ve told Anakin about how dying during childbirth is only a singular possibility, and that “force healing” isn’t an ability specific to the sith. (Not gonna get into the specifics of force healing and how it may work cause thats really controversial) but luckily, it wouldn’t even come to that as when Anakin tells the Council that Palpatine requested that he be a representative on the council, Qui-Gon would have the insight to point out that Dooku told Obi-Wan that the senate was under the control of a sith lord. In fact it may not even get that far as Qui-Gon may look into the matter himself, and Palpatine may have been discovered earlier, and he would’ve been killed.
These were facts of the movies, they didn’t frame the jedi as virtuous, they framed them as the instrument of their own demise
Darth Traya brings up a lot of the failings of the Jedi.
One of the biggest problems brought up is how they teach people to cut themselves off from any emotions rather than teaching people how to deal with said emotions. This, ironically, leads people (including anakin) to the dark side.
This exactly. Its one of the issues I've always had with the so-called Light Side of the force. I mean, how can a living creature be expected to be completely emotionless? -_-
I think the we need a new Jedi Council. One that embrasses the emotions of the light side, the will to protect, the desire to save, those kinds of things. I don't think the Jedi were necessarily bad, just te current council was very, very flawed. So that's why we need a new one, and I hope to see that when I finally play Jedi fallen order, now Cal is a REAL hero.
neolithiumproduction they mostly can’t but the Jedi as long as it not a full rampage using the dark side don’t punish Jedi’s who act on there emotion and the Jedi forbid using the dark side even tho the first jedis used both dark and light to be truly balanced
You can't cut off your emotions, you can only bottle them up until they come surging forth.
Big brain moment
"if a child suddenly loses their parent, they experience grief"
The Jedi: *does it anyway*
Anakin: *gets led down the path to the dark side due to those effects*
The Jedi: *surprised pikachu face*
Thats the whole point of why the Jedi recruited young children. They're so young that they don't remember their parents. It's why they didn't want to train Anakin in the first place.
@@tctrx6833 man, think like a human being, they may be 3 years old, but their minds can experience trauma since the very first breath. When they are born, they entirely depend on a mother figure for almost everything, maybe they won't remember what their parents look like, but trauma is still there
@@tctrx6833 exactly
and it backfired didnt it
@@arandomasschannel clearly, it did
10:54 , ok this was actually an inside joke between Obi-wan and Qui-gon, about Qui-gon picking up various creatures (pets) or plants on missions and obi would end up taking care of them one way or another.
Or at least that’s the popularized headcanon.
Jedi are not technically evil in the way of how they attain new recruits. They are not kidnapping kids because the parents, if they have any, are aloud to say, "No, I do not want my child going away." However, children are not allowed to see their parents because as mentioned in canon, attachments can lead to the Dark Side. Does not mean they can't have relationships with others, and the Jedi are not said they shouldn't be cold hearted, but they are to have compassion, not attachments.They have to be taught from an early age in order to fully build a strong foundation into the Jedi Order.
Also, everyone knows it is hard becoming a Jedi, so the younglings would need years in order to perfect their training and hopefully becoming Jedi Knights.
Of course, anyone who's anyone would tell you the Jedi Order had its flaws as the Jedi soon became prideful and arrogant, and their rules also were sometimes wrong and unfair, which is why some Jedi were "grey" Jedi. They respected the Code, but when necessary, they would disobey tradition in order to do what was right.
As many people would also tell you, the prequels show you the flaws in the Order. But how they went about recruiting their new students was not entirely wrong, but I see what your getting at.
Know that I enjoy your videos, but I love Star Wars a lot more. I hope you can understand what I mean, if not then I tried, but know that I do see what you mean.
Imagine anakin’s reaction when he finds out his lightsaber is buried in sand
I never thought of that lol
UH OH STINKY yes herald the return of Darth Vader
@@aldrichsymeonm.damasco2592 spoilers
"Nooooooooooh!"
Vader: "NOOOOOOO"!
Luke: "Dad, that's my line".
Matt I do have to say one thing regarding Qui Gon: He was more of a Grey Jedi, and he tried to follow the Will of the Force itself. He could tell that Anakin was unlike any Force-sensitive child anyone ever encountered, and felt that the Force had intervened in some way for the two to have met. If ANYONE would've gone to check on Anakin's mother(or even try to free her from Watto's grasp), it would've most certainly been Qui Gon(had he not met his end by Darth Maul). He almost always went against the grain of the Jedi principles, which is why Yoda made his comment to the young Obi Wan in the end of Episode l, "Qui Gon's defiance I sense in you. Need that you do not."
Qui Gon was offered a spot on the Jedi Council, to which he declined as he felt his purpose as a Jedi was to be guided by the very Will of the Force. He was also trained by Dooku when he was a Jedi Master. Arguably, Dooku's training would've been a more suited platform of training and teaching than that of the existing Jedi Code. Dooku understood there were many areas of the Jedi Order that were flawed, but as a Master, he was able to carve his own path in some way. Dooku was also one of the few members of the Jedi who believed they were meant to do more than being the peacekeepers of the Republic, and felt that the Jedi had lost their way(and even their connection to the Force itself) during the time of peace from a Force-user's standpoint. Even more-so when discovering the unfortunate death of his former apprentice and dear friend.
I mean for crying out loud, when Qui Gon encountered Darth Maul for those brief seconds on Tatooine and Obi Wan asked him who the unknown assailant was, "I don't know, but he was well-trained in the Jedi arts." was all Qui Gon had to say. The Jedi made the foolish mistake of believing that the Sith had been eradicated, and simply set the thought of their inevitable return to the deepest corner of their minds.
Rather than training in preparation for the Sith's return, they pretty much said, "Screw it, they're gone forever. Why would we need to be prepared for an enemy that no longer exists?". It was that very misguided assumption on the Jedi's behalf that led to their downfall. They had, in a sense, betrayed the Force itself through their lack of actions when they became mere lapdogs of the Republic.
On top of all this, the Jedi Council placed the Chosen One under the care of newly-deemed Jedi Knight Obi Wan. Had Qui Gon lived, the Council would've gone with Qui Gon's request to be Anakin's Master(after Obi Wan faced The Trials)...and A LOT would've played out differently. Anakin would've had immediate trust in Qui Gon's teachings, since Qui Gon operated more as a Grey Jedi than anything else. Anakin would've become far more powerful under a much wiser and more open-minded Qui Gon than a 'fresh off the Jedi Knight press' Obi Wan. Anakin would've felt comfortable and confident enough to reveal to Qui Gon his love for Padme, which Qui Gon would then give him guidance on the matter as a whole. Palpatine would've met his demise in Episode lll, Anakin would've been deemed a Jedi Master, his transgression of a romanticized relationship with Padme would've been overlooked(most likely due to Padme being a Senator of the Republic), and Luke and Leia would've been ushered into the Jedi Order. In time, a more resolved Jedi Order would be formed, and the Jedi would be prepared for the next revival of the Sith with the aid of the Chosen One plus 2 offspring.
TLDR; If Qui Gon hadn't died, Anakin would've remained loyal to the Jedi Order and Episodes IV-IX wouldn't exist(for the most part).
Exactly! That was one of the main points of the Phantom Menace - Qui Gon was the literal manifestation of "I'm not like other girls" lol
That was awesome to read. and out of curiosity. how long did this take to write?
@@ThePlaguebringer172 Thanks, maybe 3 minutes. Kinda used to typing replies like that ^.^; XD
Bruh I ain’t reading all that
@@Yeey33 There's a TLDR at the end of the tunnel bruh
Thank you for this, MatPat.
I may be 2+ years late but this video is where the fun begins
Love and Passion helped Harry Potter defeat Voldemort. The Jedi can learn a thing or two from Harry.
Was Harry ever forced to suppress his emotions?
What do you mean they can’t leave the Jedi order, Ahsoka literally walked out from it
Same with dooku
more like kicked her out then invited her to rejoin
Because he has no real good arguments so he forces one and basic scrutiny can counter them.
Not to mention they actually make statues of the Masters who leave. To remember and respect them, and to teach their students that they can leave if they wish.
@@blahblahblah4544 The Jedi might not always be the best in showing people that there are more options than just their way. There are flawed and biased like that... but they never. EVER try to force people to stay as a Jedi.
Do not blink Anakin.
Anakin: What?
Blinking leads to relef, relief leads to fear of disrelief, fear leads to *the dark side*
You must always blink Anakin.
Anakin: What?
Not blinking leads to tears, tears lead to sadness, sadness leads to the fear of never being happy, fear leads to *the dark side*
@@sahilonpc9250 correction,
not blinking leads to tears, tears leads to sadness, sadness leads to death in a futuristic medical civilization.
Oof
Ok vader
I was gonna like this, but it's on 169 so I mustn't.
great video. should have included count dooku in this. he left the jedi because he was beginning to sense the ways of the jedi weren't the same as they made it out to be.
Thing is, in the Legends continuity, there's a specific event that the Jedi committed (under the Republic's orders) that confirms the evil of the Jedi, and created the undying enemy that is the Sith:
They committed genocide against the Sith populace. Not just the actual force users, but the civilians, too. Men, women, children, all were murdered in an attempt to completely wipe them out.
This is why the Sith are constantly focused on hatred, fear, and revenge: because millenia before, the defeated civilization that could have surrendered and made peace... Was completely eradicated. And the survivors fled, remembering this genocide and creating the evil Sith as we know them today.
Once I saw general grevious cover his mouth ON A SHIP FULL OF ROBOTS I knew he was a true gentleman and that the Jedi were E V I L
Yeah, truly a good person
He didn't want Dooku catching a specific sickness
he doesnt cough because he has a disease he coughs because he is an organic creature that is now 87% robot. his organs definitely arent working right
@@Domieboy r/whooosh
Then the droids quarantined him
The Empire propaganda is strong with this one
emperor Palpatine pulling the strings of game theory...the darksides influence is worse than I feared.
Both sides are dumb. The Jedi are hypocritical as the Dark Side is selfish. Hang out with the Mandalorians and where a cool helmet.
Levi Athan What about the Grey Jedi?
@@blaisefontenot3570 The Grey Jedi live away from both the Jedi and Sith as well just like the Mandalorians, but there aren't a lot of them, and they're scattered around the galaxy.
He is truly lost.
Anakin's descent into darkness was well portrayed.
Because some Jedi never completely loved him, didn't respect him, didn't trust him, didn't take him seriously and even despised him.
As a child before Obi-Wan started teaching him, he was hated and psychologically bullied by other children "Anakin is a slave to his feelings" and that was only because of envy because he was much more gifted and skilled than them.
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And many other things and sufferings he and his padawan, Ashoka Tano, the Jedi like to cause.
Yoda during the Clone Wars, he met the spirit of Darth Bane in Sitt's tomb, which is created by the rule of two.
And later in his visions he saw Anakin becoming Darth Vader and didn't do anything about it because I thought it wasn't worth it.
Anakin was a slave all his life - Tatuine, Jedi, Love, Dark Side.
He became a father figure to Qui-gon Jinn, during his stay in the temple he was psychologically bullied and called by others "Anakin slaves to his own feelings", he lost his mother, the Jedi never married him all the time and without proper evidence he accused Ashoka and caused her to leave and finally he was afraid of losing Padmé.
The only and worst support given the events was Palpatine who was a fatherly substitute for Anakin from the beginning.
When he used Mace Windu's hand and after killing the Jedi he was already in the dark as the dark side itself showed him to the planet Mortis The One Son.
On Mustafar, Padme almost got him from the dark side, but Obi-Wan discovered him and screwed it up.
Anakin "Vader" built his castle on Mustafar and thanks to the two sbosobs he tried to revive Padmé but he could not see it due to the fact that Luke and Leya were already born, they were the only ones preventing it with their existence.
Too bad he didn't find "Word between Wolrds" on the planet Lothal. He would create an alternate Reality or go through all of history. ;)
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You have to find out about the lost 20 Jedi like Count Dooku, about the fates of Jedi with the ability to see the future, young apprentices who were not taken by any Jedi masters to learn, who showed little talent for the force and were not shown to the temple which in some cases was quite drastic, . ..
Blinded by ego, aronance, pride, absolute help to people and not following the path of forces.
Honor to the exceptions and one of the true Jedi was Master Fey.
The Jedi and the Fallen Jedi (Sith) have betrayed the memory and message of their common ancestors of the Je'daii Order by their actions and the endless battles of their Civil War. 😊
May the force be with you.
And may you lead the force. 🖐️
Honestly, I’m surprised Padme didn’t use her influence as Queen and later Senator to raise money to release the mother of the boy who destroyed the mother ship of the Droid Army that was invading Naboo. Heck, even Jar Jar could have mentioned something and maybe, just maybe, someone could have been sent to Tatooine to check on Shmi.
"There is no emotion"
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
The statement itself is stupid, because it's an absolute.
@@anthonybouffiou153 Absolutely.
"Do or do not, there is no try." This sentence in and of itself is an absolute by saying there are only 2 options.
@@Jaeeden We can definitely say than everyone in the f*cking star wars universe is a sith , if we follow the Jedi code . Oh , wait , i can't , i'm a sith !
@@poissonmulti-taches2742 Anyone who uses emotions are sith, so yes, every human in the worlds uses the sith code. "There is only passion, through passion I gain strength"
Sith: THE JEDI ARE EVIL!
Jedi: NO THE SITHS ARE!
Space marines: What's all this racket?
Inquisitor: Rogue Psychers and cultists, you know what to do.
Some random citizens of the outskirts of the galaxy: "Ayo tf is happening"
@@lmao1660 Yuuzhan Vong: "We still exist! We're just waiting until we know what's going on."
Roboute girliman would probably just conquer them for you know reasons
The sith are actually the evil once there use of the dark side is a poison to life
to use the dark side is to use your emotions to force the force to help your selfish desires
7:42 MatPat: "In Episode 1, we're told that they take Anakin, but not his mother, because they don't have the money to buy her freedom from Watto."
Money Required: $1600
Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon: (Tries to win 46 million dollars from Powerball, but fails)
Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon (after attempting the lottery for 10 years): Yes, we did it! We won 46 million dollars after ten years of trying! Now we can go back to tatooine to buy Shmi's freedom! :D
Tibetan Monks are usually recruited around 5 yrs old and never see their families again. They were Lucas' inspiration for the Jedi.
Dammit MatPat this was the point of the prequels and Clone Wars not just a theory
Yea XP this could have just been a plot summary.
Well yeah, but I mean... killing younglings as initiation?
Except it wasn't executed better so it would fly by over people's head
nobody remember the point of a shitty movie, even though rof is my favourite of the prequel
HA!
"The ripe old age of nine years old."
Antivaxxers: Yes
cowmeister haha you mean three
@@chocochipzzz4434 ah yes, seems I was incorrect. But I feel as though your estimation was a bit low, maybe 2?
No, thats 1 second old
Lol
This is not a Theor.y
I see the comments talking that the Prequels show that it just became like that.
But it didnt. It was long like that - did you not understood that point???
I’d say the whole point is to put them through intense training and stress so that they can learn to rely only on the force and not be dependent upon ppl
I love your channel and I know this is for entertainment but I do still want to break it down a little bit. They didn’t take babies, parents had to give their babies willingly. The droids they used to train the younglings were not harmful, sure they hurt a little but no serious damage was ever done, they were purely used to sharpen the younglings reflexes, it’s like meditation takes time to learn and get proficient at. Would you send an untrained soldier into combat? They didn’t ignore their emotions and they weren’t told to ignore love either, in fact Anakin said it best: Jedi are not forbidden to love they are forbidden to have attachments, Jedi are encouraged to love in a much more general sense. Attachments cause one to get exactly that: attached. With attachment they are then unable to serve the will of the force, if they aren’t serving the will of the force than they are serving themselves, which leads to the dark side. Finally just because being a Jedi is “a commitment that is not easily broken” doesn’t mean a Jedi couldn’t leave the order, they absolutely could almost at any time they wanted but as with anything, leaving it has a wider affect and everything would have to be worked out and it would take time. Saying it could not be done is foolish.
5:07 human trafficing
Yoda: get in the van you will
Mace Windu: "Take a seat"
@@jotheunissen9274 lol
Ketamine from this I will get
@CandyCornKing de Gamer 😂😂
Jimmmey Potato issss there candy
When you're so early the title is still Game Theory
Scizaw ikr
😅😅
Just realized
Hahaha just realized
wouldn't have even registered to me if you didnt say XD
Such a good point… You could argue that the only difference between Aniken and Luke is that Luke had a chance to develop with the family and be loved. 😊
Anakin*
While they aren’t supposed to padawans can leave the order at any moment like Ahsoka not to mention that they don’t take children from unwilling parents although most parents are in the universe while it was pretty messed up to leave Shmi on tatooine attachments are against the Jedi code and if anakin had free access to his mom that undermines the whole system
It's not just the movies. In the "Old Republic", the first attempt at a benevolent galactic civilization supported by Jedi, back When Mandalorians had an empire, and were casually marauding planets with big dreams and bigger guns, The Jedi Order forbade ANY Jedi from interfering, even to save countless lives; to the point where many Jedi knight exiled themselves from the Order, just to be allowed to do what they were trained to!
The Jedi Order has had a LONG history of beurocracy and Hypocrisy, indeed.
That event also lead to the Jedi Civil War. Which would then lead to their near extinction from Nihilus
don't forgot the Sith Genocide that the Jedi committed at the end of the Great Hyperspace Wars
Ok and? That pales in comparison to any of the injustices that the sith order has done such as the attempted xenocide of the wookies, the destruction of alderann and its billions of inhabitants or the trading of slaves during the clone wars and empire or the systematic killing of all jedi, jedi children and suspected jedi supporters(even of it was unjustified and based solely on a rumor or the destruction of multiple cities and starvation and economic destruction of entire planets. Yeah the jedi did sketchy stuff, but calling them evil is a stretch whereas dark side users( not just the sith) get their powers from doing evil and violent acts.
yeah that doesn't mean the Jedi are evil like at all.
@@Mrblob100 True; they all indeed likely meant well, but the jedi order has been.... bumpy, in past.
Yoda: Clouded this boy's future is
Yoda: The Dark Side Clouds EVERYTHING
I think the Jedi Council knew since day one what this kid was going to do.
I feel like Yoda knew the most, he always sensed Anakins actions. Like when Anakin murdered all the sand people, Yoda knew “In great and dire pain, young skywalker is” but he never brought it up.
When the council decided to initiate Anakin into the order, Yoda straight up admits that he was not among those who voted ‘yes’ on the matter. Of course he knew, he’s stated his concerns before, during and after Anakin’s training.
But hey, we found the chosen one, so we have to keep him no matter what, I guess
@@SilverandCold1x it was Qui gons choice and his trust in the force that made him choose anakin,had Qui gon not been killed ,he could made anakin a great jedi and darth vader would've never been a thing and he admits to obi wan that he was not ready to raise a boy at mere padawan level in the clone wars as a force ghost
They knew, but by the time they could remove him from the Jedi Order they were all dead. Despite this, Palpatine's influence over the Jedi ensures him a place on the Jedi Council. Which is why he wasn't granted the rank of Master.
4:00 when you put it that way it sounds downright evil
You're forgetting one thing here: it's actually very easy and carries very little repercussions for a Jedi or even a Padawan to leave the order at any time, of their own volition and free will. Dooku did it, Ahsoka did it, Cere did it (and later re-acquired her Jedi title), Quinlan Vos did it (a couple of times). Literally *all* the Jedi in hiding after the purge did it as well.
Verdict: Jedi downgraded from "evil cult abductors" to "runners of voluntary boarding school with live-in teaching program".
Count Dooku death after becoming a Jedi master, Ahsoka did it because she was kicked out, Cere did it after becoming a Jedi master and had went through a lot of mental anguish she stopped using the force, Quinlan VOS did it originally in order to find out what the Sith or doing but then fully gave into it and then went back to being a Jedi, all the Jedi in hiding after the Jedi Purge stop calling themselves Jedi and stopped doing what Jedi do so that they didn't get executed.
Verdict: "Jedi still evil cult abductors"
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 solid verdict
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 Also the Sith are also the jedi but worse
@@plantainsame2049 more like they are two sides of the same coin.
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 But the examples you give doesn‘t matter in the grand scheme of things (at least in legends)Every Jedi or Padawan can leave the order at any time for example the lost 20 which where the most prominent jedi MASTERS to leave the order or the padawans that failed their tests to become a jedi knight and left the order. Moreover the jedis take pretty good care of the ones that decide to leave. They are integrated in society (diplomatic, medical schools, etc.) and can live a very good live. There is also the possibility for a jedi to not get an active knight after they pass their tests.
Verdict: The jedi order is more like an elite school with some spiritual aspect that recruits their students as babys but allows everyone to leave if they want, even giving them pretty good chances to live a successful live afterwards. The people that seem to critizise the jedi order are often only looking at some superficial things and don‘t care to look at it in detail.
I'm 35. My mom died 29 years ago. I'm still working through it. It colored my entire childhood amd I didn't even know it until I was am adult. So yea, loss of parents can be devastating.
I hope your doing good man, god bless you, hope your life is filled with wealth and everything u could want
"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
Old Republic fans: "YEEEESSSSSS!!!"
Also, thanks Anakin. I'm glad you have an opinion, but you haven't learned Force Fire yet so let me show you what it looks like.
My Dark Side Sith Lord who saves people like Superman: (0 _ 0)
Hmmm.... a Sith emperor who’s only goal is devour every living soul and planet so he can live forever. But somehow the Jedi who are fighting to defend the republic and stop the Emperor are the evil ones.
@@nandoman4769 Yeah but Vitiate was cool so...
@@nandoman4769 1 emperor does not make the entire faith/cult evil. Else we could state all human religions are evil
To be fair to the Jedi order, I don't actually remember much from when I was 3 years old or younger, I don't even remember my first day of school. My more substantial early childhood memories happened after I already started school, so I'm not sure the separation of a child from their parents would really have such a lasting effect if done early enough, the child won't even remember their parents. It would explain why they didn't want to train Anakin in the first place.
Also they asked the parents if they could train them to be a Jedi and most said yes
Also, when the dark jedi split from the order, the jedi try to destroy them in stead of supporting freedom of opinion ( and of religion i guess). Also, if you tell a child to not follow his emotions, he will. If the jedi order were more gray and more free, the sith would have never existed because the jedi would have accepted them in stead of oppressing them into a fierce resistance.
True, but we must also take in consideration the mentality of this galaxy. For them, the Jedi Order was a religious, honorable army of peace keepers. They were THE Jedi and joining their ranks was the greatest honor one could ever achieve. So we have a lot of parents happy that their child gets to bear that honor. Another aspect is the Force. These children had great power and were too dangerous to be left alone. Imagine a child throwing a tantrum in the middle of store and bringing the entire building down because they wouldn't know how to control the Force. So the Republic gave Jedi right to take these Force sensitive children into training, so others may live without worry.
You said it yourself, these children are not mentally prepared, so they need someone to constantly watch over them. If they lost control in the middle of temple, there were hundreds of masters ready to jump in and help.
I cannot deny that at the end, Jedi lost their ways and basically became super soldiers for republic, but reasoning stands. They were founded to take care of all force sensitive children in galaxy and make sure they do not harm others and also use their powers to help. We can argue that its kidnapping, but in universe where random children can have power to level buildings just by throwing tantrum, I'd say that Jedi or something similar is a necessity.
And one last thing. You assume that these children know they lost the family, but Jedi take them so young that they barely know who their parents are. For them, the Jedi are their family. Masters that take care of them are their mothers and fathers. Other younglings and padawans are their brothers and sistes. You remember in Episode 2 as Yoda was teaching the younglings? He seemed like an old wise grandfather, slowly and patiently teaching his grandchildren.
Of course, that is my point of view. Feel free to hate it or ignore it, but you will not change it. XD
Also, MARRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!
ill not marry christmas
TheVeryMagenta Puppy Lol nice I didn’t catch that haha
Red Wyvern Emperor Yea as a parent if my child had powers to save the universe and do good I would understand.
^^^^^ This right here MatPat! Also i think the arguments you made would be the way a Sith might try and tempt a padawan to the Darkside. Another thing, how do the Sith do THEIR recruiting? Whats it like to be trained under the Sith?? As the point Red Wyvern Emperor made, I would say the problems with the Jedi Order pale in comparison to how the Sith treat... anyone honestly.
So yes they were clearly flawed but evil definitely not. i mean... Anakin slaughtered younglings at the Emperors command.
According to my sources, the parents would sometimes resist having their child taken because it was FORCED. There was no “hey can we take your child?” It was just “say goodbye to Timmy”
Jedi: "Do or do not, there is no try."
Also Jedi: "Only Sith deal in absolutes."
Austin Lopez YES! 😂
You misunderstood the statement. If you aiming to just try, that is no good why bother. Aim to actually do it, because in in the end it either will or will not happen no different to if you just "tried".
It is the acceptance that it either will or will not happen that is at the core of that message, which not an absolute.
wyterabitt r/woooosh!
@@OneWhoDreamsAwake The fact you aren't bright enough to know the "joke", which I knew it was, is still a joke regardless of whether they understood or misunderstood the statement says everything.
I was not correcting the joke, the joke works either way just in a slightly different context. I was clarifying the original intent of the quote that they very much seemed to not (and I suspect contrary to their comment really did not) understand.
Only person wooshed is amusingly you, being unable to figure out what happened.
@@wyterabitt2149 r/butthurt
I swear your presentation and your tones makes this SO FUNNY. I've been in tears from laughing so hard. And I still love these movies and you DIDNT ruin this for me at all. NICE WORK
I was totally disappointed that the new trilogy set itself up perfectly to explore Grey Jedi and then didn't.
The new trilogy is just terrible overall
*MattPat: The Jedi are Evil!*
*Me who read Star Wars Lore about The Sith Genocide and The Jedi who did nothing to stop the Mandalorians before Revan: Yep that's true.*
This is not a Theor.y
I see the comments talking that the Prequels show that it just became like that.
But it didnt. It was long like that - did you not understood that point???
ikr
_There's always a bit of truth in Legends._
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@Rook the jedi were really powerful and all but they didn't follow their jedi code instead of being peacekeepers of the galaxy they became military generals and they where so corrupt and they didn't teach the padawans sith ways because it could be dangerous but some padawan like anakin learned how to use the dark side in his lightsaber fighting style but it lead him down the wrong path and that's why the jedi were scared and couldn't control the padawans emotions even though in my opinion I would have let them explore sith values so they can balance the force and also learn about that stuff but the jedi where too scared too do that because they thought they would have overexposure but I would have stayed with them and let them hone their craft just windu did with vapad while balancing the light and dark without going over too much to the dark side so that's what I would do with my padawans but basically I'm trying to say that the jedi were supposed to be peacekeepers and ended up being war generals and also they wouldn't let their padawans have exposure too sith artifacts soo the jedi are very corrupt in my opinion and that's why the sith are better(imo)
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Master Skywalker there are to many of them what are we going too do
*Constant sounds of a lightsaber clashing*
Okay as i scroll down listening to the vid i read this comment and perfectly timed the quote came in the vid.
realized it 3 seconds later and had to stop for 5 minutes of laughing :D
Liam Hill
Anakin: YOUR ALL GOING TO DIE!!!
Younglings: Ohhhh ahhhhhh light sword
A little something I like to call
*genocide*
He didn't murder just the men, but the women and children too.
12:05 I didn't turn off my brain, but my whole computer shut down right as that line was spoken
That’s why Darth Sidious was able to fool so many. He was playing four way chess. He knew one day they recruit a kid that not only will be powerful but has all the ingredients to become evil. The Jedi basically gave Anakin Skywalker to Sheev Palpatine on a silver plater. Only because they were so stuck in there ways that they didn’t realize they harm they were causing. So much ignorance,hypocrisy, and the fear of losing power led them to their demise.
matpat: the jedi are evil
casul fans: heresy
hardcore fans: your just now figuring that out?
I like this comment cause its pointing out the reaction of the 2 groups (of the star wars fandom). 1st we have the casuals who watch for the content. Then 2nd we have the hardcore fans the people who have figured this stuff out them self's or just watch videos to understand it, they watch for the story and content afcourse. So thats just my pov on the sttuation at hand.
I like them but I see their flaws make them wrong and evil
There were 69 likes but someone had to ruin it
@hello world Something tells me the whole "Jedi are not allowed to form attachments" is because George Lucas was heavily affected by his divorce in 1983 and maybe didn't truly get over it (not that I blame him). The whole Jedi Order was also molded after Buddhist Monks from what I read in articles and watched in special features. He might have allowed those two things to have a little too much influence on the Prequels than it should have. I mean, come on. Marriage and attachments lead you down a dark path? What kinda of logic is that? Sure a divorce is heartbreaking and sure you're going to blame the other person amongst other things, but this is just ridiculous.
Well they are evil in the origin of them and dark jedi
Jedi Order: recruits children at a very young age
Evryone: Okay with it
First order: recruits children at a very young age
Everyone: EVEN SATAN WOULDNT DO THAT
So true. So true
I mean, they took away their names and their individuality. The Jedi never sought to do that
They aren’t recruiting in Episode 9. They’re drug-house raiding homes.
@@catman-du8927 ye I mean both are bad ways technically, ik that's the way the prequels were to show the downfall but the jedi order and the first order are both bad at getting recruits ( forced and tricked )😂😂
Cillian Mcpadden yeah but the Jedi didn’t steal kids like the first order
The Clone Wars television show routinely blurs the lines of good and bad, and calls into question the motives and morals of the Jedi on countless occassions.
Looking back on star wars and realising there wasnt a single day of Anakin's life he wasnt calling someone else master and serving someone 'higher' than him? its depressing
Here I thought you’d be talking about their philosophical flaws like the jedis rejection of passion or their inaction in acting against galactic slavery or their ingrained apathy... nope just a critique of their recruitment tactics
Donjean yeah matpat didn’t see the whole picture just the small speck of the Jedi recruitment
"their inaction in acting against galactic slavery"
Unless you mean the clones, then they were against slavery, the slaves seen in the prequels are in the outer rim, outside republic and Jedi jurisdiction. That's like saying british cops are pro slavery because they don't go free the slaves in North Korea.
Fernando Giubilei that is a very good point and I agree
Clickbait title is clickbait.
Yeah I didn't that he did that
well, it is said that they take kids that young so they can't easily remember and feel loss- and they aren't allowed to take the child if the parent says no, because that would be against the Jedi code.
Although if parents heard that their child could become a strong powerful Jedi, they'd most likely take it. Because becoming a Jedi would be an honour.
People who try to paint the Jedi as evil forget that the only two times in SW canon you see Jedi take children... they're asked Shmi was asked multiple times. Jedi training is basically a boarding school. The idea that you can compare this situation as parental abandonment is just forcing an argument
People who think Jedi are bad are simply contrarians and moral relativists.
The fact that matpat tries to argue that the storntroopers are innocent bystanders speaks volumes. There's no real argument against the ajedi so he makes one.
And why doesn't he acknowledge the fact that the vast majority of the Jedi in star wars history become functional and normal adults? Because it goes against the narrative that there's something wrong with the jedis methods. I mean how honest is someone whose only argument against the jedi is the single worst case of PERSONAL failure.
If you stop to actually analyze the plot, matpat ... you'd realize that the reason anything goes wrong in star wars is due to sith manipulation... that was the entire point of the prequel trilogy. They didn't lie about their ability to the Senate. Palpatine was actively diminishing their ability to sense danger. It was a development throughout the plot. You're blaming the Jedi for being forced into the position of general by the sith... and then saying they're evil because they lost at defending the galaxy. Contrarianism fools people into thinking they've made good arguments.
Channel doesn't deserve a sub after this video.
@@nunyabysnss9755 umm, cant blame matpat, its just a theory dont get overheated
@@nunyabysnss9755 It's not putting the kids in a boarding school that's the problem.
It's putting the kids in a boarding school *and then cutting off all contact with their families that's the problem* here. Whether the child and parents consented isn't the big issue. The big issue is *those kids are never going to see their parents or siblings again* .
That's not talking about the *other* issues. The issues that made taking children so young under peacetime circumstances necessary in the first place. They're taught not to have emotions at all. They're not allowed to start families of their own *at all* as of the Russan Reformation (far earlier then that, really. It was even Taboo in KOTOR, 4,000BBY). They're told not to have anger, fear, be passionate about anything or anyone that isn't the Jedi order and the Republic. They're not even supposed to grieve.
You either try and fail at that. Or you succeed and become the clinical definition of a sociopath to one extent or another. You're asked not to have ambition;but that's so hard wired into the psyche of any species that managed to crawl off of it's homeworld in the first place as to be non-senseical. You're going to have an easier job cut out for you trying to bring an oasis to the desert by peeing in the sand. No wonder students keep falling to the dark side: Power is the only thing you have left.
And it's pretty clear that some folks who wrote for the EU had that opinion too, look at EU Luke Skywalker as the example. Or Kreia from Kotor II, who was a singular voice of reason somehow and pointed out both sith and Jedi are full of lunatics.
So you also watched wise crack’s character analysis of Vader?
@@nunyabysnss9755 Palpy is no sith my friend. Momin is a sith, Palpy is just someone who thought he could control the force. Other than that you need to chill it's really not that big of a deal.
In the Jedi's defence they don't take any child against their will; they and/or their parents can refuse to let them go.
“Manipulating the innocent”? the only thing storm troopers are innocent of is hitting their shots
Jedi: takes kids and forces them to serve
Everyone:
Sith: takes kids and forces them to serve
Everyone: **gasp**
Sith: "Hey! We take one kid at a time and they're usually teenagers by the time we tempt them! Don't out that First Order garbage on us!"
I think you meant "*gasp*"
@@4pfBulmond yes actually, thanks
Sith: *Shocked Pikachu face*
Erm actually the Sith take no one unwilling, only strong peeps with good potential in the force and the correct emotions and drive can be a Sith.....Unless those Jedi that steal any baby that has potential in the force
"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!"
Film Theory: *No, no. He's got a point.*
I'm pretty sure everyone already knew that.
The Theory Side of the Force is a pathway to some views that are considered to be... unnatural.
Said by a guy that just massacred a bunch of kids and choked his pregnant wife to unconsciousness.
They couldn’t afford to set Anika’s mom free yet they know mind tricks to get evil to do their bidding. Strange huh.
Mat pat you really need to watch clone wars because it fleshes out everything you just said to an extensive level
You can actually leave the jedi order whenever you want, at least after your training is complete. Dooku left the order to pursue politics and inherent his family title of Count on his home planet. They don't even shun you, for years he was considered a friend of the order. Ahsoka also left the order of her own volition. They also don't steal children, they only ask the parents to initiate them. Often this is enough because of the vast respect of the order, but if you say no the Jedi seekers arent going to take the child against your will.
When Obi wan says the commitment isn't broken easily he's speaking morally, and also more in regards to the republic, as anakin is a commissioned general in the ongoing war efforts.
I agree but i think matpat did not think this one fully through tho
that or the brainwashing that almost certainly happens as they have to make the recruits believe in the honour of the order and follow the creed
over a decade of living in the order will warp the child intentionally or not
Ashoka left before she was knighted
I will add this: the Jedi (at least in legends, as I do t think it's been covered as much in canon) can take the children by force if they want to. It's something they can legally do by special permission from the senate (not for individual cases, but as a whole). They just didn't tend to use that power often unless if it was deemed absolutely necessary (I think one example from legends had it happen to a child of a murderer or something)
I think this is the least thought through theory mat made. I think he just wanted to get it out because the movie came out.
Someone said that Anakin went from a slave on Tatuin,to a slave to the jedi,to a slave to the sith
And only when he saves his son his he truly free
i dont want to be that guy but its actually tatooine
Luborc Team what is tatuin? It’s Tatooine. Stupid
@@wolfwarrior3574 Yes calling someone stupid cause they don't know how spell something that isn't real stay in your moms basement kid
It's complex. The Jedi did NOT like to train anyone who was "too old" while the Sith took in those like Dooku and Anakin. The Jedi tried to squash out individuality while the Sith actually encouraged it (to a large degree.) The Jedi were falling into apathy while the Sith, to their credit, had learned of their biggest failure, their infighitng, and thus Darth Bane instituted the Rule of Two to get around that, plus by making the apprentice get strong enough to defeat the master in order to take over, they were getting better.
Of course, the Sith hated relationships and caring just as much, and likely even more, than the Jedi (see how Sidious abused Maul, for instance, or how Sidious grinned when Vader went "Nooooooo!" whne learning of the death of Padme.) Also, the Sith are indeed far more power hungry than the Jedi.
Also, to be fair, Anakin never denies that Palaptine is evil, when Obi-wan states it. He just says "From my point of view the Jedi are evil." Meaning, that, yes, he believes Palpatine to be bad, but the Jedi are equally bad, and if Palpatne will get him more of what he wants than the Jedi, he'll take Palpatine's side.
It's clear, from Anakin's dialogue to Padme, that Palpatine is just a means to an end for him. Once he's found how to save her, he wouldn't hesistate to take out Sidious and rule himself, and even suggests that to Padme that the two can take over the Empire and rule the galaxy together. Even Sidious, when he said "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us" was expecting Anakin to beat Obi-wan and KNEW that, sooner or later, Anakin would take him out as well.
Jedi did try to dominate the Galaxy, by conquering even neutral planets with the help of the Republic, but Palpatine stopped their expansion with Order 66.