Vocals sound more focused on the dark mix which I prefer Also I find the bright mix a little too harsh and would cause more ear fatigue to me I kept thinking that a balance between the two would be ideal
Thank you for this comment/information. The low-bass frequency of "This is Home" is pushing my speakers to the max even at mid-level volume. I'm running a 70's vintage setup, 70 wpc amp driving 100w Advent Large speakers and they sound like they're going to burst. They handle strong bass well in nearly every other case. I have to turn the "Loudness" feature off to play I/O, and not push the volume past 4.
The blanket thing on Tchad's mixes is because he lowpasses almost everything @18khz with the uad 1081. It pushes everything back. His taste is better than most but I think he maybe uses a little too much digital processing
The ultra smooth 4khz of the brighter mix really gives the listener the best opportunity to appreciate the whole musical experience. The brighter mix would no doubt sound more consistent across the endless devices and appliances but I can appreciate the darker mix where the signature of the mix engineer is much more overstated. Spike Stent and Cenzo Townsend are the two engineers I would have chosen to mix this material. To me, it’s far out of Blake’s wheelhouse considering his mixes are always so defined by his persistent signature regardless of the material.
Tchad has a history of mixing Gabriel’s material. I find his more aggressive mixes to be quite challenging but in some cases more suited to the material. This album is a little ‘lower paced’ than the previous album and Stent’s approach is more suited for songs that can ‘breathe’ a little more.
Nicht zu Tode limitiert und komprimiert. NIcht spektral gemäß einer KI-Genre-Meinung geflatted, gebalanced, gesoothed und dynamisch demaskiert. Stattdessen komische Geräusche aus allen Ecken, die sich null in den Mix einbetten statt sauber und sozialverträglich reingemischt zu sein. Für mich hört sich (gerade die Dark-Version) das so an, als ob die Herren Stent und Blake volle Freiheiten hatten. No Rules. Stattdessen voll auf die Mütze! Ah tut das gut, mal wieder was Rohes zu hören ...
Du und ich wir sind gleicher Meinung! Tschad Blake's Mix ist mutiger und nicht aalglatt und langweilig oder wie du meintest: "nicht spektral gemäß einer KI-Genre-Meinung geflatted, gebalanced, gesoothed und dynamisch demaskiert". Perfekt formuliert!
Can we find a more elegant and succinct word for "lack of dynamics"... Oh wait! Let's use "loud"! Edit: thanks to commenters I now agree with OP :) loud should not be synonomised with lack of dynamics :)
Totally unlistenable, whether bright or dark. No dynamics, everything pressed against your ears. Trying to “access” new audience with this loudness mastering job has alienated your old fans and audience. Super disappointed. I will pretend that I/O never existed and continue to listen to the few albums on streaming media platform that have not yet been butchered, aka, REMASTERED.
No matter what Peter would have done, we fans would have been disappointed. Because the waiting time was simply too long and the expectations were therefore too high. This is the "Star Wars - Episode I" phenomenon.
Agree, Ziad. I gave this record a fair shot, but it failed. And to you, Daniel, it is a disappointing album because of weak song writing / composition. Gabriel hasn't done anything great since Diggin' in the Dirt.
That's really crazy to read. This album has one of the best sounds I have ever heard. It comes right to its place in Peter's career in terms of thematic, sound and lyrics. Be more patient with it, you could discover some things...
Well! That was really interesting. I would put my resume that way: The bright mix is more balanced, but the dark mix has more character. There are some parts I like more in the dark mix, even though you said its not working as well as the bright mix, but there's a way, that some part spring into your face with the dark mix. Thank you so much for this video!
Hello Dave, thanks for the feedback. Happy to hear that you liked the video! We haven't heard the immersive mix (In-Side Mix) by Hans Martin Buff yet, but we're sure he did a great job 😊 Best wishes
Hello, it is possible to enable that option in the Cubase preferences under the editing section "Editing Project & MixConsole". Tick the box where it says "Enable Solo on Selected Track" and you should be good to go 😊 Best wishes
I don't like both of 'em much, but I must admit it must have been hell to mix them. It's like trying to mix three different songs into one. So maybe the music and arrangement is what turns me off. Anyway, I much prefer modern mix/masters like Arctic Monkeys "Sculptures of Anything Goes", Chromeo's "Words With You", Alabama Shakes "Give Me All Your Love" or Prince's "20Ten" album (if you like it hot).
Nice video. But... wow. What a rabbit hole to go down. I think I understand why the release took so long and Gabriel's expression on the album cover now. "Oy Vey!"
So the Dark Side mix is bright and the Bright Side mix is darker. The Dark side sounds poppy and the Bright Side more 'alternative' or 'arty'. It would be interesting to hear Gabriel's' thinking behind releasing two versions and paying two very expensive mixers to mix them.
It looks to me like one of those concept ideas that started very compulsively and kinda became its own thing as the two engineers “did their thing”. It’s more about the process rather than the result and the result for us is or can be a choice. Or even just two ways of hearing the same thing.
There is a third mix available called the “In-Side Mix.”
Vocals sound more focused on the dark mix which I prefer
Also I find the bright mix a little too harsh and would cause more ear fatigue to me
I kept thinking that a balance between the two would be ideal
yes, thank You guys, i enjoyed it.
The Dark Side extended the low end down to 40 hz, the Bright Side to 50hz. A 10 hz difference in bass is huge. Whole different bottom end.
Thank you for this comment/information. The low-bass frequency of "This is Home" is pushing my speakers to the max even at mid-level volume. I'm running a 70's vintage setup, 70 wpc amp driving 100w Advent Large speakers and they sound like they're going to burst. They handle strong bass well in nearly every other case. I have to turn the "Loudness" feature off to play I/O, and not push the volume past 4.
Great analysis, great work.... and it was done on a Windows PC.
The blanket thing on Tchad's mixes is because he lowpasses almost everything @18khz with the uad 1081. It pushes everything back. His taste is better than most but I think he maybe uses a little too much digital processing
That Geithans look amazing😢❤
Please help me to get clear with my ignorance. Why 2 mixes dark and bright?
This is for Peter Gabriel to answer =]
Because peter Gabriel lol
Why not milk the Gabriel followers double the $
13:21 Difference is also due to Dark-side has no synth pad.
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway,a masterpiece.
The ultra smooth 4khz of the brighter mix really gives the listener the best opportunity to appreciate the whole musical experience.
The brighter mix would no doubt sound more consistent across the endless devices and appliances but I can appreciate the darker mix where the signature of the mix engineer is much more overstated.
Spike Stent and Cenzo Townsend are the two engineers I would have chosen to mix this material. To me, it’s far out of Blake’s wheelhouse considering his mixes are always so defined by his persistent signature regardless of the material.
Tchad has a history of mixing Gabriel’s material. I find his more aggressive mixes to be quite challenging but in some cases more suited to the material. This album is a little ‘lower paced’ than the previous album and Stent’s approach is more suited for songs that can ‘breathe’ a little more.
Gabriel is doing the masonic One eye sign of allegiance
Dark side is much more emotional
Nicht zu Tode limitiert und komprimiert. NIcht spektral gemäß einer KI-Genre-Meinung geflatted, gebalanced, gesoothed und dynamisch demaskiert. Stattdessen komische Geräusche aus allen Ecken, die sich null in den Mix einbetten statt sauber und sozialverträglich reingemischt zu sein. Für mich hört sich (gerade die Dark-Version) das so an, als ob die Herren Stent und Blake volle Freiheiten hatten. No Rules. Stattdessen voll auf die Mütze! Ah tut das gut, mal wieder was Rohes zu hören ...
Du und ich wir sind gleicher Meinung! Tschad Blake's Mix ist mutiger und nicht aalglatt und langweilig oder wie du meintest: "nicht spektral gemäß einer KI-Genre-Meinung geflatted, gebalanced, gesoothed und dynamisch demaskiert". Perfekt formuliert!
I dont get how people can prefer the dark-side mixes.. Just not for me at all.
Can we at least agree to stop using this strange and incorrect term `loud` when we actually refer to the lack of dynamics in a track ? ;)
Can we find a more elegant and succinct word for "lack of dynamics"... Oh wait! Let's use "loud"! Edit: thanks to commenters I now agree with OP :) loud should not be synonomised with lack of dynamics :)
We all know what it means and it is succinct.
@@GingerDrumsit can have lack of dynamics and not be loud.
and it can be loud, and still sound dynamic
@@snares3326 absolutely agree. I changed my mind :)
Totally unlistenable, whether bright or dark. No dynamics, everything pressed against your ears. Trying to “access” new audience with this loudness mastering job has alienated your old fans and audience. Super disappointed. I will pretend that I/O never existed and continue to listen to the few albums on streaming media platform that have not yet been butchered, aka, REMASTERED.
No matter what Peter would have done, we fans would have been disappointed. Because the waiting time was simply too long and the expectations were therefore too high. This is the "Star Wars - Episode I" phenomenon.
Agree, Ziad. I gave this record a fair shot, but it failed. And to you, Daniel, it is a disappointing album because of weak song writing / composition. Gabriel hasn't done anything great since Diggin' in the Dirt.
@@rabarebra what about "Signal to noise"?
@@danielmcbriel1192 What about it?
That's really crazy to read. This album has one of the best sounds I have ever heard. It comes right to its place in Peter's career in terms of thematic, sound and lyrics. Be more patient with it, you could discover some things...
Well! That was really interesting. I would put my resume that way: The bright mix is more balanced, but the dark mix has more character. There are some parts I like more in the dark mix, even though you said its not working as well as the bright mix, but there's a way, that some part spring into your face with the dark mix. Thank you so much for this video!
Dark Side for me
The Court dark side mix is a masterpiece, my favourite track on the album.
I rather hear a good song that is sounding bad than a bad song that is sounding good.
Pretty much sums up this new unnecessary album. 20 years of waste.
In this case you have good songs sounding amazing. Nothing more you could ask for.
The brighter mix is my choice
Fantastic analysis, Leute! 👌
Great video thank you. What did you think of the in-side mix ?
Hello Dave, thanks for the feedback.
Happy to hear that you liked the video!
We haven't heard the immersive mix (In-Side Mix) by Hans Martin Buff yet, but we're sure he did a great job 😊
Best wishes
Good video. Why don't you throw on a high- and low-pass filter and try the bottom end on the other mix :)
How do you adjust Cubase to play the track solo just switching with the arrow keys
Hello, it is possible to enable that option in the Cubase preferences under the editing section "Editing Project & MixConsole". Tick the box where it says "Enable Solo on Selected Track" and you should be good to go 😊 Best wishes
@@hofa_en Danke
I don't like both of 'em much, but I must admit it must have been hell to mix them. It's like trying to mix three different songs into one. So maybe the music and arrangement is what turns me off. Anyway, I much prefer modern mix/masters like Arctic Monkeys "Sculptures of Anything Goes", Chromeo's "Words With You", Alabama Shakes "Give Me All Your Love" or Prince's "20Ten" album (if you like it hot).
Nice video. But... wow. What a rabbit hole to go down. I think I understand why the release took so long and Gabriel's expression on the album cover now. "Oy Vey!"
Peter Gabriel has some cool stuff. Sledge Hammer. I could do some funky guitar for ya when I get my site going loll.
So the Dark Side mix is bright and the Bright Side mix is darker. The Dark side sounds poppy and the Bright Side more 'alternative' or 'arty'.
It would be interesting to hear Gabriel's' thinking behind releasing two versions and paying two very expensive mixers to mix them.
It looks to me like one of those concept ideas that started very compulsively and kinda became its own thing as the two engineers “did their thing”. It’s more about the process rather than the result and the result for us is or can be a choice. Or even just two ways of hearing the same thing.
One of the first things I learned as an audio engineer back in the mid 70s is to never utter the sound "uh" when speaking. Work on that.. 😅
Leave the music alone