Such an underrated youtuber, I just found out about this channel like 2 hours ago and I've just been binge watching so I could educate myself more about card shows. I'm actually going to my first one tomorrow so these are really helpful! I plan on trading and buying some vintage cards that I just want if things go well.
Great information! I agree 100% if you go in with a mindset of having fun and enjoying the hobby with new people instead of focusing on profit and percentages you will have an absolute blast. Love the videos, keep em coming!
I appreciate your videos! I have a question, how do you go about finding 80%? I know you mention it in the video a bit, but I have been trying to use the average of last 3 ebay sales divided by 3, and then times that by .8. Ive also been trying to do TCG market value multiplied by .8, but they are sometimes different by quite a bit. Also, I was using pricecharting ungraded as the average, and I was kinda just all over the place. How do you go about finding the value, and then finding the 80% of that without overpaying?
@@DorianHellas good question! It’s not entirely simple, and there are several totally valid ways of approaching it. Average of last three sales is definitely a good approach, and a hard methodology to disagree with, at least for things that sell somewhat regularly. PriceCharting is just aggregating eBay sales, and for raw cards, prices can vary significantly depending on condition. I use PriceCharting just as a way to help me pinpoint potential comps. You can usually assume higher value raw card sales are representative of better condition cards. Tcgplayer is pretty reliable for modern English cards that sell often. If you’re buying rare, high-end, vintage, non-English, etc. then I would recommend focusing on things like recent eBay sales more.
@@oyamastrading i really appreciate your response! I would love to see a video of you breaking down how you arrived at a price to ask a vendor for sale on your buyer pov type of videos! I think it would help a lot of new people getting into buying cards out.
Great video man. One thing I'd debate with you on is the "market value" isn't necessarily what the last person solely. It also need to factor in how available or how scarce that card is. Sellers aren't incentivize to let things go at the last price sold if the card is hard to find.
Wouldn't be much of a debate - I actually probably at least 90% agree. I originally recorded an entire segment for this video about sales volume/liquidity and niche desirable vs niche undesirable. I felt like this video was geared toward people in their first few shows, and that level of detail would make the video less interesting/digestible. That said, for sure, there's an intermediate level of nuance to understand. A $50 slab that sells once a year, you can probably ask the seller for a steeper discount. Snap Charmander or pop 1 Trophies.. different story. Honestly this topic is almost its whole own video probably. Thanks for watching and commenting my man -- appreciate you tons
Very much appreciative of this video, especially the explanation of conditions of cards. I'm mainly interested in vintage cards so many fall in to the LP - HP category, good knowledge to have when buying in person or online.
Thanks so much for watching glad you were able to take something useful away from it!! Yeah 100% my experience is at least 8 or 9 out of 10 vendors at my local shows are just super nice and generous people.
@@Brilliancex666 amazing youre going to have a BLAST! It can be a bit intimidating at first but the tips here will help you identify high integrity vendors worth dealing with. Excited to hear what you pick up!
@@dralokad5862 awesome! I hope it’s helpful! Most vendors will be really generous with kids but a tiny minority will take advantage and that’s where some of this knowledge will come into play for sure!
Selling to vendors for 70% especially higher grade slabs should be a crime . I can’t justify losing 30% if I’m selling a $1200 umbreon or anything over $500 … I understand vendors are in it to make profit but at 70% I rather sell on eBay and deal with the shipping / 13% fee
At the Burlingame show last month a young vendor was asking $500 for an espeon vmax in a PSA 10 which is insane …. Another vendor at the same show sold it for $370 …. It’s so important to check current comps . Someone that’s newer to the hobby can very easily get scammed .. this video touches on so many important topics !!!
@@georgeallen4007 Thanks so much for watching and sharing that. I want everyone in the community to win, but it's definitely the buyers who are easiest to take advantage of. Hope this video helps some people avoid bad deals and build super rewarding relationships with high-integrity vendors in their local communities!
Yes, but selling high end cards on EBAY has risks. What if it gets lost in shipping? What if the buyer is a scammer and claims you didn't send the item listed? Then you have to deal with the hassle of filing claims with EBAY, or whichever platform you're using and or the post office. Which isn't a quick process. That type of hassle I think is worth losing 10% of value on a card. As a EBAY seller who has personally had to file claims, they've taken months sometimes to resolve, in which case I would've much rather not dealt with the headache. Also these vendors often sell items at way less than market value to move product. So 70% gives them room to sit on the card if it doesn't move quickly and the market value drops. Just some things to consider, definitely wouldn't call it " criminal"
Obviously I’m no expert but ive heard 60/40 and a bit more lenient on the back. Ive seen some pretty off centered backs on PSA 10s. I err on the side of only expecting 10s where the centering is very very good
As a vendor (even make my own videos) I disagree with the whole “I can sell it myself and only lose 13-15%” People don’t realize it’s not just that fee, it’s shipping, and TAXES. I used to offer 80% to buy but realized I was losing so much money with table fees that are about 200 a day and then nobody wanting to pay market price for cards. 70-75% is more than fair considering people only want to buy at 90% of market or less anyway.
@@MultiGrass123 thanks for sharing your POV! This video was advice for buyers, not sellers, and I never said by any means that 70-75% was unfair :) Just that I don’t personally do it. Didnt get into it in this video but I personally do about 1/3 of my online selling on social media where fees end up more like 3.5% for paypal g&s. I track everything in a spreadsheet. My net loss really IS 13-15%, so *for me* it doesn’t currently make sense to sell at shows at 70%. Obviously large lot sales and liquidity can play a big role in what makes sense, but that feels like its own video. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Sorry, but I disagree with point 3. As a seller and vendor myself, yes you lose 10-15% on ebay to fees, but you also then lose of postage. You also have to factor in the taxes that need to be paid, as well as the time you spent as a business selling the cards. So buying at 80% is fine for flipping at the show, but when selling online you lose far more than about 13%, it's more in the range of 20-25%. That's why vendors prefer to be at 70%, otherwise buying at 80%, doesn't make sense for most cards.
Also, people often ask for a percentage off when buying cards, so buying at 80% when people regularly want to buy cards between 80-85%of recent solds, just isn't good business.
@@18thor18 no worries, thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! I actually think in some ways we’re saying the same thing, because this video is focused mainly on card shows. 80% leaves room for flipping at the show. I originally recorded a bit about liquidity but decided to remove it. When I buy at shows or online, I buy larger lots of less liquid items at 60-75%, but liquid stuff generally 77-85%. Your point about 20-25% selling online has not been my experience at all. I always ask buyer to pay $1 PWE or $5 BMWT. Both prices leave 30-64 cents buffer for packing materials like envelopes and tape. Maybe add a few bucks to insure anything over $130 or so. Never had issues or complaints about it.
@oyamastrading no worries. I'm in the UK and we don't have tcgplayer, only eBay for selling really (or marketplaces like FB). So on a card valued at 100, as a business seller the best rates you have are 14%, the cheapest option for posting a graded card is £4, but only insures £20 worth, so often have to spend £5-£8 on postage. This means you are looking at losing £19-£22 on sales fees and postage. So when I buy at 80% I'm not making anything on the card, if sold online. I do a lot of shows, but most cards are sold online still. Appreciate the video and content, I just don't think everyone should be expecting they'll be getting 80% at least on all cards.
Really great video. Tons of info!
🙏 low key honored you watched it Coop
Remember you DON’T have to sell to them, as a seller you have POWER aswell
Such an underrated youtuber, I just found out about this channel like 2 hours ago and I've just been binge watching so I could educate myself more about card shows. I'm actually going to my first one tomorrow so these are really helpful! I plan on trading and buying some vintage cards that I just want if things go well.
@@DrDocta thanks for watching, so glad you’re finding it valuable and interesting. Have an amazing time at your first show!!
Great information! I agree 100% if you go in with a mindset of having fun and enjoying the hobby with new people instead of focusing on profit and percentages you will have an absolute blast. Love the videos, keep em coming!
I appreciate your videos! I have a question, how do you go about finding 80%? I know you mention it in the video a bit, but I have been trying to use the average of last 3 ebay sales divided by 3, and then times that by .8. Ive also been trying to do TCG market value multiplied by .8, but they are sometimes different by quite a bit. Also, I was using pricecharting ungraded as the average, and I was kinda just all over the place. How do you go about finding the value, and then finding the 80% of that without overpaying?
@@DorianHellas good question! It’s not entirely simple, and there are several totally valid ways of approaching it. Average of last three sales is definitely a good approach, and a hard methodology to disagree with, at least for things that sell somewhat regularly. PriceCharting is just aggregating eBay sales, and for raw cards, prices can vary significantly depending on condition. I use PriceCharting just as a way to help me pinpoint potential comps. You can usually assume higher value raw card sales are representative of better condition cards. Tcgplayer is pretty reliable for modern English cards that sell often. If you’re buying rare, high-end, vintage, non-English, etc. then I would recommend focusing on things like recent eBay sales more.
@@oyamastrading i really appreciate your response! I would love to see a video of you breaking down how you arrived at a price to ask a vendor for sale on your buyer pov type of videos! I think it would help a lot of new people getting into buying cards out.
Great video man. One thing I'd debate with you on is the "market value" isn't necessarily what the last person solely. It also need to factor in how available or how scarce that card is. Sellers aren't incentivize to let things go at the last price sold if the card is hard to find.
Wouldn't be much of a debate - I actually probably at least 90% agree. I originally recorded an entire segment for this video about sales volume/liquidity and niche desirable vs niche undesirable. I felt like this video was geared toward people in their first few shows, and that level of detail would make the video less interesting/digestible.
That said, for sure, there's an intermediate level of nuance to understand. A $50 slab that sells once a year, you can probably ask the seller for a steeper discount. Snap Charmander or pop 1 Trophies.. different story. Honestly this topic is almost its whole own video probably.
Thanks for watching and commenting my man -- appreciate you tons
Your video, is the best to explain conditions and pricing of cards. Very clear. Thank you
So helpful for us newbies! ❤
Very much appreciative of this video, especially the explanation of conditions of cards. I'm mainly interested in vintage cards so many fall in to the LP - HP category, good knowledge to have when buying in person or online.
Great video man, love the tips for a new convention goer like myself. It’s been a blast talking to these vendors at the shows!
Thanks so much for watching glad you were able to take something useful away from it!! Yeah 100% my experience is at least 8 or 9 out of 10 vendors at my local shows are just super nice and generous people.
Love the name in honor of your grandpa! Cool info!
Already known most of this overall but I’ll give this video a 11/10 ❤🎉
@@spencereaston thank you! If you’ve been hitting shows for a while it’s definitely gonna be mostly review :)
One of the realist videos I’ve seen in the Pokémon community
I'm trying to go to my first card show in a few weeks and videos like these get me excited. Thank for the insight
@@Brilliancex666 amazing youre going to have a BLAST! It can be a bit intimidating at first but the tips here will help you identify high integrity vendors worth dealing with. Excited to hear what you pick up!
@@oyamastrading show isn't going to be major or anything so I'm hoping I can find some contacts, looking to trade 2 CIB games too
Awesome video 🔥 Great tips. Keep grinding
Thanks for this video! I’ve been looking for something like this to teach my kids. Much appreciated!
@@dralokad5862 awesome! I hope it’s helpful! Most vendors will be really generous with kids but a tiny minority will take advantage and that’s where some of this knowledge will come into play for sure!
Really good video with a lot of good tips for both buyers and vendors. Met you at the collected and loved your pizza shirt 😎
Thanks so much for watching and the kind words. The shirt is a must! The Collected buyer POV probably up in the next few days :)
Best video
Glad you enjoyed 💙
Great video and information! Thank you!
Thank YOU!
Thank you for this bro just started collecting 👍
welcome to the hobby!
Selling to vendors for 70% especially higher grade slabs should be a crime . I can’t justify losing 30% if I’m selling a $1200 umbreon or anything over $500 … I understand vendors are in it to make profit but at 70% I rather sell on eBay and deal with the shipping / 13% fee
Totally hear you! Fortunately in my area, especially for liquid high end stuff, I hear and see most vendors doing 80-90%!
At the Burlingame show last month a young vendor was asking $500 for an espeon vmax in a PSA 10 which is insane …. Another vendor at the same show sold it for $370 …. It’s so important to check current comps . Someone that’s newer to the hobby can very easily get scammed .. this video touches on so many important topics !!!
@@georgeallen4007 Thanks so much for watching and sharing that. I want everyone in the community to win, but it's definitely the buyers who are easiest to take advantage of. Hope this video helps some people avoid bad deals and build super rewarding relationships with high-integrity vendors in their local communities!
Yes, but selling high end cards on EBAY has risks. What if it gets lost in shipping? What if the buyer is a scammer and claims you didn't send the item listed? Then you have to deal with the hassle of filing claims with EBAY, or whichever platform you're using and or the post office. Which isn't a quick process. That type of hassle I think is worth losing 10% of value on a card. As a EBAY seller who has personally had to file claims, they've taken months sometimes to resolve, in which case I would've much rather not dealt with the headache. Also these vendors often sell items at way less than market value to move product. So 70% gives them room to sit on the card if it doesn't move quickly and the market value drops. Just some things to consider, definitely wouldn't call it " criminal"
@@str8nashtygaming466for an umbreon that’s worth $1200 at 70% you are losing $360 … how can you justify that ?
How off centered will be forgiven if you have a 10 grade card?
Obviously I’m no expert but ive heard 60/40 and a bit more lenient on the back. Ive seen some pretty off centered backs on PSA 10s. I err on the side of only expecting 10s where the centering is very very good
As a vendor (even make my own videos) I disagree with the whole “I can sell it myself and only lose 13-15%” People don’t realize it’s not just that fee, it’s shipping, and TAXES. I used to offer 80% to buy but realized I was losing so much money with table fees that are about 200 a day and then nobody wanting to pay market price for cards. 70-75% is more than fair considering people only want to buy at 90% of market or less anyway.
@@MultiGrass123 thanks for sharing your POV! This video was advice for buyers, not sellers, and I never said by any means that 70-75% was unfair :) Just that I don’t personally do it.
Didnt get into it in this video but I personally do about 1/3 of my online selling on social media where fees end up more like 3.5% for paypal g&s. I track everything in a spreadsheet. My net loss really IS 13-15%, so *for me* it doesn’t currently make sense to sell at shows at 70%.
Obviously large lot sales and liquidity can play a big role in what makes sense, but that feels like its own video.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Sorry, but I disagree with point 3. As a seller and vendor myself, yes you lose 10-15% on ebay to fees, but you also then lose of postage. You also have to factor in the taxes that need to be paid, as well as the time you spent as a business selling the cards. So buying at 80% is fine for flipping at the show, but when selling online you lose far more than about 13%, it's more in the range of 20-25%. That's why vendors prefer to be at 70%, otherwise buying at 80%, doesn't make sense for most cards.
Also, people often ask for a percentage off when buying cards, so buying at 80% when people regularly want to buy cards between 80-85%of recent solds, just isn't good business.
@@18thor18 no worries, thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! I actually think in some ways we’re saying the same thing, because this video is focused mainly on card shows. 80% leaves room for flipping at the show.
I originally recorded a bit about liquidity but decided to remove it. When I buy at shows or online, I buy larger lots of less liquid items at 60-75%, but liquid stuff generally 77-85%.
Your point about 20-25% selling online has not been my experience at all. I always ask buyer to pay $1 PWE or $5 BMWT. Both prices leave 30-64 cents buffer for packing materials like envelopes and tape. Maybe add a few bucks to insure anything over $130 or so. Never had issues or complaints about it.
@oyamastrading no worries. I'm in the UK and we don't have tcgplayer, only eBay for selling really (or marketplaces like FB). So on a card valued at 100, as a business seller the best rates you have are 14%, the cheapest option for posting a graded card is £4, but only insures £20 worth, so often have to spend £5-£8 on postage. This means you are looking at losing £19-£22 on sales fees and postage. So when I buy at 80% I'm not making anything on the card, if sold online.
I do a lot of shows, but most cards are sold online still. Appreciate the video and content, I just don't think everyone should be expecting they'll be getting 80% at least on all cards.