Josh Pate On The Pac12 Being In Trouble (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- The Pac12 has been attempting to secure a new media rights deal for several months now, with mixed reports suggesting things may not be going so well. On Late Kick Live Ep 364 Josh Pate discussed the latest whispers and intel from the west coast and offered his thoughts on what could end up being an unworkable situation for member institutions if they are forced to lag behind schools in conferences like the Big Ten or the SEC. What do you think the end result will be? What will the Pac12 and College Football overall look like in the coming years? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Colorado is going to be "Must see TV. The country will be watching every weekend they play. A smart network will Capitalize on this. Even if it's on Peacock or Paramount.
How long is Coach Prime gonna be in Boulder. Betting on CU is like someone in my neighborhood who bought the only market in town, small suburbs, but didn't buy the land...if there is no guarantee on Deion, it's a foolish bet.
There is no transfer portal for coaches, and no university signs a coach without a contract. I am sure he guaranteed them a certain amount of years.
Shout out to the West Coast, the Pacific Coast is strong. We gotta keep our kids at home. Bryce Young and CJ Stroud from here. We really got what we need. Just gotta keep the players local
PAC-12 needs to be the go-to college football conference for the Pacific Rim: Australia, China, & Japan. Start thinking Internationally.
Fun fact that NASCAR "Sprint Cup" Sponsorship is the largest check ever written for advertising. The deal was worth $700,000,000.
Loyal fans
@@Bardmusic66 its their life. its kidna sad.
@@petewilcox3354 wut
Yormark is a stud.
I still miss the Winston Cup
PAC 12 should have gave USC and UCLA a bigger piece of the pie
Absolutely not. They already did that up until 2011.
Why are they adding no value, they have one of the biggest markets in the country yet no one watches them. They are hurting for money and guess what moving the BIG 10 is going to do nothing to help them with their spending habits they will just spend more and more until they go broke
@@isaaclopez2945 UCLA was hurting for money USC not so much , the market share based on viewership I think USC and Oregon were the top Earners and most viewed
@@isaaclopez2945 They have to cheat against schools like Washington State and Oregon State. People in LA won't be excited to fight traffic and pay to park and watch their team lose to Iowa. They won't have officials in the press box to make sure they don't lose.
Yes, The PAC had a commie system and is going away.
Tennis Larry and the Pac12 blew it when they didn't go all in to get TX & OK.
Pac12 football is what I fall asleep to after a full day of good college football.
😂😂😂
Always been that way, since I was a kid lol.
PAC-12 ASMR
If you actually stayed awake, you’d see some ridiculous games.
But yes, that time slot is late for most of the country. And I know one network that’s only in the business for big markets and the other that has actually worked to drill home over the last several years that they were doing the Pac some big favor by relegating us to 7:30 PT. So when I offer that the proper response is to tell all you just to f off, I’m pretty sure the sentiments would be equal if the situation were reversed.
Maybe we should just go pro, or lease facilities out with pro sports in mind. Heck, Phil Knight funded an extreme reconstruction of Hayward Field primarily for the World Athletics Championships. Most of what that facility will attract is fans for the pro meets (especially the Prefontaine Classic) anyway. Besides, Mr. Knight did the one thing last year nobody ever expected… he offered to buy a pro team (Portland Trail Blazers). Maybe he knew what the LA schools would do. Imagine Nike de-emphasizing college athletics.
Pac 12 is in big trouble. USC and UCLA leaving next year; will kill this conference. USC will make a Playoff run this year; add salt to their wound.
As an Oregon State fan this really sucks. We finally start getting good at football and now we might end up on the outside looking in :/
Not to mention the 161 million dollar stadium renovation. The whole scene right now is a crying shame, if not criminal. I feel for the Oregon State and Wazzu fans. It just ain't right.
I know , everyone wants to watch big ten and sec football, Michigan , Ohio st. And Georgia Alabama every one wants to watch
If the 4 corners go to the big12. It would be cool if somehow we can add washst and OreSt as well. Awesome fan bases
Do you think any more teams will join the Big ten?
I wish your games were earlier I'd watch more.
Oregon football made as much profit as Indiana made overall. Oregon makes bank. As if anyone is tuning in to watch Northwestern, Rutgers, Purdue, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa or Minnesota games. Just call it the Michigan/Ohio st cupcake opponent no one wants to watch 10
and yet, the BIG is still gonna get 80 million + per team..and it isnt just because OSU and Michigan
@@carsonc29 Yeah I'm sure it's because of the 200k viewers Northwestern and Purdue pull in. Why watch Ohio st win by 40 when you can watch Indiana and Rutgers punt 16 times.
@@carsonc29 Ohio State is widely considered to have the largest fanbase in college football., so the OP isn't really exaggerating much saying it's the Ohio State/Michigan conference. It really is. There are only 5 programs in the Big10 that anyone might possibly give a damn about, and it's really only 3 most years. There are 3 interesting games each year involving those 3 teams, and that's literally it.
@@haroldfarquad6886 same can kinda be sad about the SEC and every major conferenceu..all conferences are typically top heavy
I think the pac 12 network is also to blame. They had too many games on the pac 12 network only.
that nobody can watch.
@@brianjacob8728 well I can but I also go to a pac 12 school (Bear Down Arizona) and my apartment buildings cable comes with the channel but I agree even growing up in Arizona most providers don’t have the channel
Josh, look at the global and national economic view from the consumer price index and supply-chain issues. I know, this is the 10,000-foot view of college athletics as a business sector. But, if you want a larger view, the CPI and the supply-chain view is critical in knowing the probabilities of what is to come in collegiate athletics. My analysis of the situation suggests that media rights companies are not giving the PAC 12 Conference more revenue because they know what is happening on the larger economic front. The CPI suggests that the value of the dollar is in decline in terms of what can be purchased. Just go to the store or the gas station and ask yourself if the prices are going up. You also have probably noticed that store shelves are becoming more empty than before. So, how do these issues economically influence college athletics? It is simple, businesses who sponsor or advertise through media companies are always interdependent on vast supply chains from mineral operators, manufacturing, wholesale outlets, and retailers (generally the advertisers/sponsors of media contracts). So, do you really think PAC 12 is going to be able to achieve the economic numbers they want from media rights when sponsors/advertisers are rethinking their economic positions?
Shouldn't Cal, Stanford & UW hold out for B10 offer?
Washington can get a spot in the Big XII, whether they later get invited to the Big Ten or not. Stanford is viable as an independent. No clue what Cal is going to do.
@Matthew Swenson they all want to be academically associated with Cal & Stanford though. I also see Notre Dame (obviously), North Carolina, Miami, Virginia, Kansas & Georgia Tech as potential B10 adds
@@mr.rubicon1193 Kansas, Georgia Tech, and Miami would not increase per school revenue. Cal and Stanford have a chance at being admitted to the Big Ten despite being money losing propositions for any power conference, because they're as academically notable as anyone in FBS.
@@mr.rubicon1193 The Big 10 has made it clear they don't want KU.
I watch pac 12 football and I’m like holy shit this is boring lemmee go to sleep
Pak10 deal is done. They only get
$22,000,000 per school. Yes 22
Pretty sure Michigan vs ohio was like 20+ million
So if the PAC isn’t must see tv, then does it matter to the overall sport if west coast football dwindles? The WAC as a football conference folded in the early 2010’s and nobody batted an eye. The Big West had football from 1969-2000 and then dropped it to only focus on basketball and Olympic sports, those that chose to continue with football either went to the WAC and later the Mountain West. There is only the PAC12, Mountain West and Big Sky that offer football on the west coast. Lack of population and people that don’t care is what’s killing it. Add in apathy from the eastern part of the US and fewer people care. So I don’t see the argument that trying to save it will keep the sport healthy if few people care. Let those of us do move on and figure it out and if that means schools like mine join an eastern conference, then so be it.
I think USC or the B1G sabatoge the Pac 12. B1G killed the Rose Bowl conference rivalry.
Big 10 and Big 12 about to cannibalize this conference.
The media rights market is too small out west for two power conferences. The PAC 12 must execute a strategy that eliminates the Big 12 in the market. 2023: PAC 12 adds SMU & SDSU. 2031: PAC 12 adds Okie State, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston. The Big 12 must die.
Too late. The PAC had a chance, they thumbed their noses at "the poors" and continued eating their caviar in their ivory towers. Now the B12 beast is stronger than ever, and it's looking for blood.
@@wesleyowens4089 The Big 12 still survives by adding BYU. It accomplishes nothing. Absolutely nothing.
@@wesleyowens4089 Not true. The Big 12 dissolves after the PAC 12 adds those six schools by 2031: SMU, SDSU, Okie State, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston. With just one power conference out west, the PAC 16 would be able to demand a higher price for its media rights. Everyone in the conference gets a higher annual payout because there is no more Big 12 to compete with in the market. If ESPN wants CFB content out west, it’s going to have to pay the price set by the PAC 16. ESPN would be forced to take it or leave it.
@@wesleyowens4089 I agree it’s too late. Big 12 schools are locked in a GoR until 2031. Big 12 is dead man walking.
I have been saying for months both Arizona’s (my wildcats and the school in Tempe) should try to join the Big 12
It would be a good match with Basketball too. AZ wildcats are back being an elite program. It's seem to me that the Pack 12 doesn't care about basketball.
@@scottgreen2042 in my 3 years here in Tucson I’ve been to many games
Freshman year I couldn’t because covid restrictions
Sophomore year we were unbeaten at home
This year we only lost twice at Mckale
@@scottgreen2042 but one thing, we never stopped being elite 🐻⬇️
They are toast.
An all west coast conference has issues because of their timezone. By them joining conferences further east they can schedule games earlier in the day and save the night games for games not on the west coast.
I was about the write the same about the Pac12, and mention the ONLY reason the ACC has any "relevance" is due to they being an East coast league. But as Michael Alford, the AD at Florida State has explained, FSU gets screwed in TV revenue being in a conference that pays about $30M less than schools in the B1G, despite the fact that our televised games draw eyeballs while the others in the ACC do not. I'm hoping the Noles can somehow escape the ACC for the SEC which would likely lead to two super conferences; SEC and B1G.
Late night games will always be primarily on the west coast..
Yea time zones combined with a bunch of weak teams and a woke sentiment towards sports that will guarantee they remain weak. It’s sad, but true
@@SignalCorps1 “woke sentiment” as in spending school money on school instead of sports lol
@@anthonytitone It’s funny you say that… because Pac-12 athletic budgets are bigger than big 12 athletic budgets, by a few million on average. It’s not too stark. Yet… athletics are 1% of the budgets of Pac-12 schools and about 11% of b12 budgets.
There’s been a screwy disinformation campaign that’s not quite under the surface. Some of it is political. Some of it is BYU fans, who never got over Utah’s Pac invitation, really trying to rub these issues in on the conference given these contract struggles. Some of it is just misguided euphoria because, for some silly reason, B12 fans want to act like they like their conference after it almost croaked. Meanwhile, as an Oregon fan, I know what “the goal” is; that’s B1G money, not b12 money. Which isn’t going to happen for the duration of the new B1G contract.
Shrug.
PAC 12 only ruins my bank account on drunken late night bets
What’s harder to say:
George Kliavkoff
Or
Worcestershire sauce
"Wuh-stuh" is pretty simple.
PHIL KNIGHT BABY!!!...Just Do It...!!!
People don’t watch all their college football on steaming service
If pac were to go only steaming I’d probably never watch another pac game unless they were playing the school I’m a fan off. Most would probably agree
Young men don't like college football out west? Money is there. Not Alabama money but there. Everyone can't be on top.
Washington & Oregon to the BIG10
Both blew up the phones of BIG offices after USC/UCLA announcement, but were basically laughed at and declined.
@@jimfab2655 when the PAC12 falls apart & the 4 remaining conferences steal teams the BIG10 will take Oregon & someone (likely Washington) they just didn’t wanna kill a conference on their own & force the SEC to add 2 more teams as well which would possibly blow up the ACC. The timing was just off
@@anthonytitone Wrong. You're just a fan with a wild imagination. I'm an insider. I'm telling you you're 100% wrong.
@@anthonytitone BIG wanted to respond to SEC and get a comparable TV deal. Mission accomplished. At this point, both conferences are fine, and all others (w/ their remaining schools) are irrelevant.
@@jimfab2655 that’s basically what I said tho. The BIG10 wanted to match the SEC without completely blowing up other conferences which is why they didn’t take Oregon & Washington but when the PAC12 completely falls apart r u saying Oregon will just join the BIG12 or ACC or what cause this conference isn’t gonna last much longer if they have any option other than the PAC
There would be a line for Colorado, Oregon, and Washington they would be courted heavily !!
Colorado is already being courted heavilly.
25 Million would be enough to hold the PAC together, but if it is 25 Million AND exclusively on a streaming service the conference will slip into obscurity.
Depends on the network, If it’s something like Peacock or Paramount plus probably. But if it’s Netflix or Disney+ then that would become very interesting very fast.
@@Marylandbrony Do you think they are really interested?
How many "Good Ole Boys " are going to watch a streamed PAC12 at 9 PM on Friday night?
I come here for JP's impressions and the Danny Glover was exquisite 👌
My go to YT channel for college football overall!
Pate State!
The money driving college football is going to destroy college athletics
Some are leaking today that ION television is now interested in PAC-12
Pac-12 teams need to be playing on the East Coast more regularly.
I always watch Pac-12 After Dark here on the East Coast. But I am in the minority I think.
I watch it till I'm too tired
I don't necessarily agree Josh. I haven't watched a college football game on anything other than a streaming platform in the last 4 years. Streaming is the future at this point cable companies in TV Channel providers are going the way of the dodo everywhere. And on the west coast they're much more tech-savvy than people in the plains and East Coast. Which means streaming will probably have a greater effect for their fans then it would overhear. If the NCAA was smart they would open their own streaming platform to cover all of college sports and they would make a killing at it if they did and it would give them a lot of power again
You are in the extreme minority in watching college football.
I would literally pay for a college football-only streaming service during the Fall. I got add-ons with Hulu so I could stream as many games as I wanted at once, but I really don't care to have Hulu otherwise. If the NCAA got their act together and made one at a better price, they'd make a killing.
Love your content Josh and Ik my school is the opposite of a FB school so you don't talk about them much, BUT it's Indiana University, not the University of Indiana.
Logic beats Feelings. Maybe not every time… but over the long haul reality always wins. The price for betting on feelings is a high one.
It is what is. Bad decisions over and over again doesn't mean you get rewarded or money
Seems like the PAC repeatedly awards its nincompoop Commissioners and administration despite nearly putting it in the ground.
Oregon and Washington to the Big10? Utah, Colorado and the Arizona schools back to the Big12? Seems like a possibility. UGA cancelled their game with Oklahoma due to the Sooners joining the conference? Could that be why UW and Ohio State cancelled? Of course this is all speculation, but it seems possible
Good point I didn’t even think of, I think Washington and Oregon to the BIG 10 is inevitable, and then the pac-12 and big-12 just will merge
Any possibility where George Kliavkoff loses his job as the Commissioner is a possibility I'm very open to.
I don't think OSU canceling Washington was because of Washington coming to the conference. Adding an extra west coast trip wasn't something OSU wanted, and their schedule would've been brutal in 2025 where they have Texas scheduled as well. Washington is absolutely furious atm.
@@andrewhelmer9721 I don't know if cancelling the game is a hint or not, but we know that happened recently in the SEC expansion. These deals are being put together over a stretch of time and not offered one day on a whim. I think Oregon and Washington know exactly what is or is not waiting for them in the Big 10.
What is far more likely is that the PAC commish is trying to put together a deal that would save the conference like the Big 12 guy did to keep the 6 schools from going to the PAC.
Buckeyes and Washington cancelled because of the new scheduling in the Big10...I think the Buckeyes had to pick up another home game, nothing to do with Washington joining the Big10
The west coast has defuned football...
I see a 3 to 5 year deal. If the pac 12 sputters in the ncaa playoffs then the conference will break up.
I know Coach Sanders was a good hire because there is now way Colorado is picked to finish seventh with pretty much any other first year coach.
*no
The problem is the economy stinks and these media companies are way more selective.
PAC 12-6 of 12 teams in top 25, SEC-6 of 14, Big 12-3 of 10, Big 10-3 of 14, ACC-3 of 14, Mountain West-1 of 12, Sun Belt-1 of 14, AAC-1 of 11, Sun Belt-1 of 14. Just saying
If the Pac12 added 6 key teams it could take full control of ALL PST and MST media markets. In this scenario CBS and ESPN would have to negotiate if they wanted any late college football content.
Seattle (UW/WSU)
Las Vegas (UNLV)
Phoenix (ZONA/ASU)
San Francisco (STANFORD/CAL)
Denver (CSU/CU)
Portland (UO/OSU)
San Diego (San Diego St)
Dallas (SMU)
Salt Lake City (UTAH)
Boise (Boise St)
Central Valley, CA (Fresno St.)
Call it the PAC-16
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
Colorado
Colorado State
Arizona
Arizona State
San Diego State
Utah
Boise State
SMU
Fresno State
UNLV
In this “PAC-16” scenario, where else could CBS and ESPN go for late window games? Laramie? Missoula?
Dark horse media partner? NFL Network?
@@gigantopithecus100 why in the world would the NFL network bank roll the PAC??? makes no sense
@@carsonc29 the NFL Network is currently only broadcasting MAC and Sun Belt games on Saturdays. They currently have no late Saturday inventory. They would be perfect for late window tier 3 Pac12 games IMO.
once again I say rip pac12
Good riddins
Dude... is this thing on? Lol
PAC to immediately add 6 (at least 3 are AAU) for the interim (which will give the PAC presense in every major market in the SW outside of L.A.), prior to B1G taking 7 current PAC members:
Kansas(AAU), SMU (Dallas), Rice (AAU Houston), Tulane (AAU New Orleans), SDSU (San Diego), AND Air Force OR Houston OR New Mexico OR Hawaii OR Vanderbilt (AAU. if involuntarily booted from SEC, good travel partner for Tulane). -adding 3(4 if Vandy) more AAU schools for 10 (V11) total in the PAC.
This will be announced and built with the media partners in a few weeks.
Should the show not go on... (i.e. the B1G Pacific expansion), the future of the PAC will be very bright with these 16 Powerhouse Universities:
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
California
Stanford
San Diego State
Utah
Colorado
Kansas
Arizona
Arizona State
Southern Methodist
Rice
Tulane
AND
Air Force OR Houston OR New Mexico OR Hawaii OR Vanderbilt.
Please don’t let this conference into an automatic playoff spot!
That’s America, though right somebody has a piece of paper you don’t you can do it better than them doesn’t matter. Welcome to America.
Great video an thanks for the support. I think PAC-12 is done but I'm hoping not. I love that conference.
Stick a fork in the PAC 10 and move on.
Crazy idea : What if the ACC expanded coast-to-coast - and became the "American Coast Conference"? Lock-down Notre Dame Football and a sweeter media deal by adding Stanford, Oregon, and Washington. Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah could join the Big 12. Cal, Oregon State, and Washington would have to join the Mountain West - along with (likely) SMU.
More Transcontinental travel? You think teams in this conference will actually win games on jet lag?
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 it’s actually really good point. How about this: the ACC effectively merges with the PAC 12 and creates a super league with two conferences. In football, you have a league championship game with the winner of both conferences, facing off at season’s end. However - for all other sports, the conferences remain separate entities. This would mitigate excessive travel for nonrevenue sports.
$25 million. PAC12 isn’t worth $15 million
Unless Jeff Bezos buys the Pac12, it’s over.
I think the NCAA might have something to say about it.
Josh speaking what looks to be an unfortunate truth
I’m a die-hard college football fan and I’m here to tell you, if I have to ponder through some streaming service or multiple streaming services to watch anything other than the SEC, I’m not watching it.
realignment will be based up academic money and athletic money. B1G holds all the cards on academic money!
Not true. Universities receive research money through their AAU accreditation, not through their conference affiliation.
@@eclecticcowboy5784 Look at Colorado as an AAU school in the B12 then look at Colorado as an AAU in the PAC 12. Conference Alignment for academics is everything to Univ Presidents.
@@braddorholt1070 What is there to see, other than a terrible football program??? A conf, like the pac 10 and B1G, might choose to only allow accredited universities into their conference, but it has zero implications on the money the universities receive for research. George Kliavkoff, Larry Scott, Kevin Warren etc. have absolutely nothing to do with that!
The problem with a third party is that ESPN and Fox have more inventory than they can air as it is. NBC and CBS seem to have all the inventory they care to have. Sure there are games someone will pay good for, but there would be a lot of PAC inventory one would practically have to pay to get carried. Maybe not that bad, but you get the picture... Just to get the PAC equal to the Big 12 is a Billion dollar high risk for any company even spread over years, and a year to year deal is probably scarier for the schools than 25 million a year is.
If nobody wants to pay for it, how do you prpose the PAC accomplishes this? Without breaking NCAA rules.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 I don't have a solution any more than the next. Including the PAC leadership
I agree. Utah fan here. The problems for the P12 run much deeper than just what we are seeing with the media deal, no matter how they are trying to spin the unity narrative. So many things you could point your fingers at to what went wrong in the P12, but I fear the damage is beyond repair. I have been trying to hold on to give the conference a chance to show what we have, but IMO, Utah, Col., and the Arizona schools as the group should be prepared to move. Probably would like to bring along the Beavers and Cougs but seems B12 don't want them. Oregon and Washington seem to want to blaze their own paths, let them. A five year survival plan just kicks the can down the road. Now, big question, how does B12 pay the 4 corner schools? Doubt they come at a lower payout.
It's not that the BIG XII doesn't want Oregon and Washington, it's that those two are still too infatuated with joining the Big 10 to even consider anything else. The BIG XII would be happy to add Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona State. The new media rights deal the BIG XII entered into has a pro-rata clause that provides an equal share payout for additional "Power 5" schools that are added to the BIG XII. Thus, if the "4 Corner" schools were added, they'd get same payout as the current BIG XII schools. That payout is better than the PAC schools currently have and certainly better than the payout of any "potential" new deal.
Utah is never going to the Big Lubbock conference.
@@westernciviccapital3075 then they might have to plan on digging out those MWC molds so they can redo their FB field and bball court..cause if the PAC fails and thye dont want the B12, then they'd literally have no other options..because the BIG isnt interested in them
@@westernciviccapital3075good! MWC it is then.
The Big 12 would be fine with WSU and OSU. If they wanted to join, they would be welcome.
I think the more apt metaphor would be JP saying, "it could happen."
Yeah dude, I'm so upset with UCLA & USC for killing the PAC-12. I think they're done an it hurts, it was a beautiful conference.
So sad.
Go UW.
WWE Wins PAC12 Media Deal
Tonight it was announced on Friday Night Smackdown that WWE has obtained exclusive streaming rights to all PAC12 Tier 1 and 2 games for 5 and a half years.
Teams will be making roughly 33.71 million a year. Every single game will have a rotation of wrestlers and personalities calling the games, with the biggest game each week having Vince McMahon and Michael Cole teaming up for commentary.
Additional details:
\-Any time a penalty flag is thrown, a clip of Ric Flair shouting "wooooo!" will play. This is conference-wide.
\-The winner of each conference title across all sports will be given the trophy by a wrestler that isn't visible.
\-Starting in the 2025 season (waiting a year due to scheduling conflicts), anytime an in-conference game goes to more than double overtime, CM Punk will go sit in the middle of the field with a microphone and wait to speak for 10-15 minutes before trolling everybody with a method of his choosing.
\-The latest game of the night, each week, in the "After Dark" bloc will have, at a time of his choosing, the entire stadium's lights go out and the appearance of The Undertaker. This must happen during a play and not a break.
\-A different stadium each will have Steve Austin, for all three hours or so, walking around the stadium catching beers from random fans and drinking them. He will not stop walking until the game is over. In the event that this happens during a CM Punk Triple Overtime Event, the two will meet on the field and have a spur-of-the-moment wrestling match on the grass.
\-Additional details forthcoming...
Better than nothing huh.
Josh, off question here... How much cardio do you do by chance? Great Job BTW with your show lol
This sucks as a Utah fan because they did everything right. Win in a G5, become the first to break into the BCS, move to the Pac, build a giant beautiful new football facility, take your lumps, become competitive in the division, then finally win the conference and go to a rose bowl. Right as they get to the top the rug gets pulled out and now we’re stuck in a poverty conference hoping that the big 12 wants us with the Arizona schools
The Big 12 wants Utah, but does Utah want to be with BYU?
@@hatchett151 I mean if it could guarantee a yearly return of the holy war hell yes. Plus if the last decade is any evidence that’s a free win on your schedule every year
If the Big 12 invites Utah they should jump on that immediately. The options are a dying or dead pac 10/12, the big 12, or a group of 5. Getting stuck in a group of 5 because you didn't like one of the schools in the Big 12 would be the absolute dumbest decision ever. The Big 12 is actually in an ok stable spot with their TV deal. It's not SEC or Big 10, but it’s probably the 3rd most stable behind the SEC and Big 10. The ACC is in huge trouble once those teams have room to leave.
Yes, we want you. Yes, we want Arizona, ASU, and even CU. By we, I mean us Big 12 fans, but I can't imagine a market guy like Yormark passing on the improved marketing the 4 Corner schools bring the Big 12.
We would love to have Oregon and Washington, but they would rather go to the Big 10 so we'd have to wait for them to tell the schools NO first.
BTW, I am an old man and figure the networks have a better handle on all this, as they are probably causing all this, so a lot of this is a done deal than we know about.
the B12 wants UTAH and a few others...but those schools would have to be the ones to initiate talks..conferences cant go after schools
PAC 10 believes negotiations are when you stomp your feet on the ground like a child until you get your way. All part of the entitled mindset of the pompous, arrogant fool. Truth be told, negotiations are when you have your ideas, but you understand they are just that. Stability and some money is far more important than teetering and no money.
I heard Spike TV is putting a deal together...they're gonna get the guys from Auction Hunters to call the games.
Lol
Prime is their only chance
How I wish the Pac 12 could become players again. My late, great Dad was an Oregon State alum. Sadly, that might not ever happen. Yep, Americans will hate UGA for a long time. Guess what. If you want to compete you should not have rested on for laurels for far too long.
Can somebody answer me this , so if Oregon and Washington go to the big 10, and both the Arizona schools go to the big 12 , what happens to Stanford , Oregon st , cal , Utah , Colorado and Washington st ?
Oregon state and Washington state go to mw. Stanford and Cal go independent. Colorado and Utah to big 12. That's what others have said
@@davidaz6622 👍
Oregon will not join the BIG10...The Big 10 VOTES on NEW members..SC UCLA n Ohio State Will be damned to take a PAY CUT for Oregon...SC N UCLA definitely will vote no Thus making membership null n void
The LA schools wants to Bury Oregon for stealing Socal Recruits with Uncle Phil Knight NIKE Money..Plus the BIG 10 Branding of ..that letter O n W...
@@cartersports1 just because usc and ucla doesn’t want Oregon the big 10 ,doesn’t mean that they still want get in just ask Texas A&M with Texas joining the sec.
@@billythompson3647 Ohio State doesn't want them either..the networks told the big10 oregon n Washington won't drive the money up If so they would have added them when they got SC n UCLA..the other 16 schools will not take a pay cut for Oregon n Washington..sorry
Josh I have not heard you comment about miller bringing the murder weapon to the scene that killed the woman. Had he not brought the murder weapon the woman would be alive today.
Pac-12 is weak. UCLA is not even that good? SEC will continue to dominate.
Fortunately, the SEC gave the PAC 12 a lifeline by giving the OK to expand the playoffs to 12 teams. If the pac 12 breaks up none of them will get into the playoffs. Actually the pac 12 surviors that merge with the mountain west, they will have a better chance to get in. The pac 12 might be better off having 6 to 8 neutral games in St Louis (no nfl team) and have a major network televise them at noon or 1pm
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How many fans watch another conference's games? I'd be interested to see the out of market viewers for CFB games, particularly since local markets still seem to be such a huge factor in linear TV deals. I don't see streaming being a big deal for viewership, and in some ways could help as they could air them during better windows. Particularly for Pac 12 since most games were buried on lates or the incredibly unavailable Pac 12 Network.
Definitely a lack of PR from the major networks would probably hurt, but again the Pac 12 schools don't get much anyways. And the 12 team playoff should make it less of a matter.
The money gap is the big issue. They won't be able to keep their good coaches, or revenue share as well when student athletes become employees. What a creative conference would do is try to identify new revenue opportunities unique to streaming. Interactive marketing and NIL, interactive real-time betting, international streaming, etc. The trouble is I don't trust Pac leadership to be this savvy.
All good points. I stream about 3 games at any given time because I loathe commercials, so I end up tuning in to a couple Pac12 games in the evening, but very few games every get my primary attention. I just don't think the will is there on the west coast - they just don't care about football as much out there. In pockets, sure, but it's just a different culture and I'm not expecting them to survive in any meaningful way. Oregon and Washington are the only programs with any national relevance... I just don't know where they're going to go.
Great George Knox impression btw lol. Lots of baseball movie quotes lately
Mega conferences do not work ...
They could if they were aligned with any geographic logic whatsoever. I got bored at work a few years ago and realigned teams into 16-team super conferences. The geography works out pretty well if you're willing to expel useless football programs like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and the likes of Rutgers and other basement dwellers to a trash-bin conference to play amongst themselves. 16 teams works well - you have 7 divisional games, two crossovers, and three non-conference games. Divisional winners play in a CCG, and you have 4 automatic qualifiers for a playoff from those CCG winners. I'd expand to an 8 team playoff with 4 at large bids for next highest ranked teams. It would be a much cleaner and geographically sound system than the absolute clusterfuck we have now.
I need a side hustle being your stat guy. LOL!
Yeah the duck chat been we are dead if the pac12 signs the Apple TV deal lots of us duck fans really want big 10
I'm sure the Ducks and Washington would leave immediately if they got the invite to the Big 10. I just don't think the Big 10 is ready to expand again until the ACC teams and ND become available.
@@andrewhelmer9721 but we haven’t gotten the invite and it sounds like the big10 dosent want to give Oregon one because they don’t want to be the one who kills the pac12 but the media deal is doing that all ready
If I was the PAC-12 commissioner. I would invite the 3 Mountain West California schools (San Jose State, San Diego State and Fresno State), Boise State, UNLV (Not a football program, but good basketball and has Allegiant stadium) and SMU to create a new PAC-16 conference.
It doesnt solve the major issue with the pac: Not enough people care enough for a big check to be written. San Jose St, Fresno, Boise St, UNLV, SMU, and SDSU adds nothing to a TV contract. It would depreciate the value for the existing schools. It wont work.
Me too 😂 I would do all of that. Gasoline on a fire.
@@yellowmartian I would also spilt my streaming deal in half with Utah, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Arizona, Washington State, Arizona State and California having their games on CBS (Remember CBS is losing the SEC) and have the other half go on UA-cam TV.
@@Marylandbrony CBS has already said they do not want PAC content.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 I would probably stick with Fox then alongside UA-cam TV.
Couple items not brought up, but here's issues I believe with the Pac12 schools reluctance to join or merge with the Big 12.
1. Nine of the Pac12 are AAU schools. They "tolerate" the OSU, WA St, AZ States because of they're in state rivals. So they lost two. Other than Kansas, Rice, and Tulane, losing that status will hurt their perception, at least of themselves, Presidents, and Regents.
2. In the past the PAC 12 did not want to admit or join a conference with Religious affiliated schools. BYU, TCU, Baylor. We will see if Market size out weighs that stance, with the SMU possibility.
IMO, a new conference with PAC12 and state universities, Kansas, Kansas State, OK State, and Iowa State would be more appealing. Form the PACWEST.
For these reasons, I would bet there is more of a chance, the PAC 12 and ACC merge or at the least, have a scheduling/TV alignment. If they join the BIG12, they'll have to visit UCF and WVA anyway.
AAU money isnt given based on conference affiliation...all 9 of those schools would get that same AAU $$ no matter what conference they play in
SMU isn't religious anymore. No honor code, no course requirements, and ties with the Methodist Church itself are being undone. The Pac-__ has always had a formerly Methodist school, so adding a replacement for it is a bit of symmetry.
@@TheFranchiseCA Neither is TCU.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Yeah. TCU doesn't have a specific denominational link anymore, but do have a requirement to take religion courses (which can include non-Christian faiths and traditions). They're definitely the next most secular of the four.
But, why is the B1G suddenly interested? They weren't this time last year and hasn't each day since. So, what's changed for the B1G to suddenly change their mind about UO and UW?
They probably were always interested, but they probably want to add at least 4/8 schools at once to get it to 20/24 schools. Having 18 teams makes scheduling difficult. Which means they're probably waiting on the ACC teams and ND before they invite Washington and Oregon.
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I’m so glad someone finally said this. You may not like the PAC12 or be biased against WC football or whatever, but if it falls it’ll be bad for all of CFB.
Where was all of this during the realignment that started in 2010? Bad for CFB? That ship sailed a long time ago. If the PAC was relying on nostalgia and warm and fuzzies to survive, they deserve to crumble.
When the hateful 8 were going to be left behind: “pathetic, lol, G5 schools.”
When the PAC-10 is dissolving “this is bad for all of college football!!! How dare you insinuate our conference isn’t perfect.”
@@BigThunderMan right..no tears were shed in PAC country for the fate of the 8 remaining B12 schools 2 summers ago...those PAC schools are still gonna play sports..it just might not be as members of the PAC..the conference doesnt need to survive for them to play sports and for people to watch
@@carsonc29 All 5 of those fans? Where will they put all of them?
If the PAC moved game start times up 2 hours, they’d get 10 times more viewers.
ESPN and Fox won't let them.
Josh, you broach a tough subject respectfully and your 3rd party buying a conference idea is interesting, you are probably a few years ahead of the curve with that idea, but it is interesting.
I know I seem like a vulture but I am anxiously awaiting the addition of the "4 corner schools" in the Big 12. I'd like Oregon and Washington, but I think the Big 10 is more fire than smoke. We will hear about it sometime in the next 12 months. Then again, I've been wrong before and I could be wrong now.
The PAC's problem is that nearly all CFB fans are in the eastern and central time zone. We are in bed when it is prime-time for the PAC. They did try to address it in the 90s and late 00s, but nothing came from it, so the demise of the PAC is inevitable.
Rest easy in the comfort that you’re not being a vulture. That would extending a life line to those schools. The PAC-12 is sinking and there aren’t enough lifeboats for everyone. The trouble has nothing to do with timezones, they have remained the same since back when the PAC12 was a powerhouse. The problem is that the PAC-12 has put out a bad product for well over a decade and honestly many of the administrators at these schools are so woke, they don’t even want football to exist.
@@SignalCorps1 Something like 80% of CFB fans live in the central or eastern time zones, 2 & 3 hours ahead of pacific time. Every game on the west coast that starts at 6, starts at 8 or 9 for us. That may also be why the talent is staying in the PAC, the exposure for the NFL is not on the west coast.
You right I dgaf! Fans are not in any decision making we just get to live with the decisions of the CFB gods.
Josh, it’s Indiana University. IU is not like the Big 12 schools, it actually is Indiana University. For comparison OU is actually the University of Oklahoma.
Wtf are you saying?
@@theTXSandman if you listen to the video he says the University of Indiana right after saying the University of Illinois. A lot of Big 12 schools do this weird thing where their initials are backwards. KU is the same way, it’s actually the University of Kansas. Stop being such a casual and be more respectful, you’ve got weird energy for someone lacking basic knowledge.
As an IU alum, here's how I explain it: While Indiana University is THE university of Indiana, the correct name of the institution is Indiana University.
@@muffin7483 that’s correct except KSU and OSU’s initials are not backwards.
@@zackerybarnett1890 State Universities never were in the old Big 8. Only state flagships. It was our custom toi do this and it stuck.
Great job Josh!
Hope Josh is wrong, about the PAC being in trouble; but hope he is right, that an "angel" might swoop in to save the conference.
There's a Catch-22 here: The PAC has a visibility problem, so it lacks value. It can't increase it's value without enhancing its visibility.
I can see a couple ways out of this:
1) The conference works out some kind of a merger with the ACC
2) The conference inks a sweetheart deal with Apple, partners with it to enhance distribution for the PAC 12 Network, and uses said network to promote a) the conference, b) Apple, c) its streaming inventory on Apple TV while also hauling in ad revenue. The PAC 12 Network, with Apple's support, wouldn't need a broadcast or cable network partner: They would just need to cut deals with the cable and satellite giants.
No idea how likely either of the above scenarios are; but I will maintain that, for now, there are paths to survival and even success for the PAC.
I think the NCAA has rules prohibiting private ownership of Athletic Conferences.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Haha. The NCAA. Good one.
I saw one site suggested a “Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference” or A-PAC. Not only does it have a catchy ring to it, but I think a ACC-PAC12 merger would benefit and strengthen both conferences if they get a new TV deal 👌🏻
I honestly dont see the ACC having any interest in a deal like that
@@carsonc29 I agree with ya, but I think it would be a super solid merger and a attractive proposition for TV companies to show games like Miami vs Oregon, FSU vs. Colorado every year 🤷🏻♂️
“But what about the students mental health?!”
As fubar as college football is right now, this isn't the craziest idea I've heard. Geography means absolutely nothing anymore when it comes to conferences. It's all coming down to alliances and how they can attract money. What's left of the Pac12 merging with the parts of the ACC that don't get poached by the SEC or Big 10 would be fresh at least. The only issue is you're going to smash two pretty terrible conferences together and hope you get something pretty on the other side. You're going to get Oregon, Washington, Clemson, Miami, and FSU, and a bucket of who-gives-a-dams with little national recognition. There would be a few good matchups each year, but most of that conference's play would be a snooze fest with half the fans on the wrong side of the country for any given game. Most of those fan bases probably aren't going to travel well to see their 5-win Oregon State team play a 6-win NC State. That's the part of geographically logical conferences that makes college football fun - you can reasonably travel for some away games. That's being ruined with this madness.
@@haroldfarquad6886 it won’t matter… it comes down to money and the bigger brands are tired of giving up large shares of the pie and are trying to get into the BIG or SEC..
PAC 12 transitions to the "Home Depot CFB Conference"! Or.... does "In-N-Out Burger CFB Conference" sound better?
In-N-Out Burger doesn't align with the PAC, more like the Big XII
@@patrickboren2211 Well, they have 271 locations in California alone, AND are HQ'd in Baldwin Park California (Since 1948), So I think what I said makes a lot more sense than your obviously unresearched and ignorant reply. Please try harder next time.
@@jkmarshall3553 The In-N-Out philosphy is Christian. Does not align with PAC ideals. Your ignorant remark shows your lack of understanding.
Well honestly this my sound goofy. But I blame everything wrong with the pac12. On the political atmosphere out west. These folks have a whole different mindset from the rest of our country. College sports in general are 5th tier give a fks there. I mean just look at the attendance for these schools. Mainly California. Utah, Colorado, and maybe a couple of the not California schools. Can survive if fans are willing to travel. The SEC, BIG12, Big10 and ACC will always draw big attendances at game home and away. Ucla's empty stadium looked pathetic last year. West Coast teams just don't support their teams the way the rest of the country does. UCLA and USC their 1st away games or season perhaps. Will I'm guessing travel?? But after that I don't see much HOME STATE support for those two teams traveling. Hell they don't show up to their home games.
Yet they still want USC and ucla
I couldn't believe seeing a game a couple years ago where Oklahoma went to UCLA, and the stadium was only about 40% full... of almost entirely maroon-wearing fans. UCLA doesn't deserve Chip Kelly or to play in the Big10.
The west coast is not America as far as I'm concerned - they live in an alternate reality with different values and customs, might as well be a different country.
They are in loads of trouble. Cant get a media contract, can't get exposure. Time to die.
PAC-12 needs another Reggie Bush.... Those highlights would get their TV numbers up
If another Reggie Bush came along, he's going to USC to play in the Big10, or he's going to the SEC, Ohio State, or somewhere like Miami or FSU. The days of a relevant Pac12 died around the time Mariota left Oregon.
Interim PAC move imminent (until the B1G takes 7):
PAC to immediately add Rice, Kansas, Houston, SMU, Tulane and San Diego State.
Kansas is not going to the PAC.
They'll jump at it. Then the B1G will take 7 PAC schools plus Kansas later...
The pac no 1???
This issue brings up a question I've had for a while: exactly how many college football programs, not conferences, are actually profitable enterprises? How profitable would the Big10 be if Ohio State and Michigan weren't there? How about the ACC if FSU, Clemson, and Miami weren't there? The big 12 is losing their two biggest brands in OU and Texas.
College football is consolidating into only programs that matter, and I have to wonder if some of these programs left on the outside will be able to justify even having a football team in say 10--20 years? Maybe not even that long. We're rapidly moving to a world in which if you haven't managed to piggy back into one of the two or three conferences that actually matter, you're viability as a D1 sport might be in jeopardy because no one is going to pay to watch. It's kind of sad, but honestly I've wondered how a lot of these programs justify themselves.
So where is Okie Lite without Boone Pickens? About where UO will be without Phil Knight. Giant donors die and programs must move on. Few commentators realize UW is the much more desirable target but it still suffers compared to the better known schools to the east.
OSU will be a baseball and golf school and Oregon will go back to track. Football is expensive.
Only Phil Knight and his wife have said they are leaving their 40 billion to the University of Oregon. The Ducks could buy and rescue the Pac 10 if the NCAA allowed it
@@rolfpeters123 But they won't.