Great find! She'll move, ventually! Mikes idea is pretty sound. Either that, or 2 to 4 weeks of wd40 twice a day.. or both! Had a small 2 stroke, a 125cc, with the same problem some 20 years back.. Had surface rust all the way down the bore.. didn't think the piston would ever move. It did, with the help of a block of wood and some gentle persuasion with a hammer... :-P
This is gonna be interesting to see what it takes to get it out ....I would put a come-a-long or something on the rod to pull on it and keep pressure on it as it is soaking
Interesting predicament RK..I was thinking a shit load of boiling water in the water hopper and some dry ice in the piston...Interesting to see what you guys come up with.
I think it would be a lot easier to fit up a plate with a grease nipple, then pump it with a grease gun and turning that cylinder into a high pressure hydraulic ram. If this fails, you still have the option of switching to high pressure air which is harder to control safely.
Crankshaft seems to be worth fixing if you have already been searching for 2 years. I just had a crank shaft from my McCormick welded. It was cracked in the same spot and the machine shop charged me 120 to weld, machine, and heat straighten
big ol piston on that thing! Sounds like a good plan but i think i woulda left the crank and flywheels on would be easier to work it back and forth. Im sure youll get it. I was thinking you guys should build an open crank briggs I saw one at a show it was really cool I can send some pics if you want. Id build one myself but Iron briggs dont come my way too often
Just put the head back on, Make sure the valves are closed and that they seal. Then hook a hydraulic line to a tractor or wood splitter into the spark plug hole.
I'd spray a can of pb blaster in it, put a wood board on the side of the cylinder and hit the board with a air hammer using a blunt chisel. the shock should break it loose.
In your efforts to get the piston to move, could you put the cap back on the rod and take a piece of oak, place it in the rod hole and try a little twisting too? It's easy to sit here and quarterback on my keyboard. :) It was just a thought.
Well, if Mike's worried about bursting the cylinder, why not hydro-lock the water jacket too? I'm sure you'll get it somehow! Is honing those headless ones a bit tricky too?
I was thinking about this a bit. How expensive could it be to have a sand cast made of the cracked crankshaft, Make the bearing surfaces a bit larger for machining later and melt the old crank to pour a new one? I'm not familiar with foundries and pouring but you would essentially be recycling the crank material to make a new one thus getting the engine working again. Might be something for you guys to look into.
Hi: Great Video's, A good machinist like Keith Fenner, or Adam Booth (both on YOU Tube)can deep grove out and Heli Arc the crack and also cut out the rusted on the shaft on a lathe and spray weld the surfaces like new. Please don't give up on that engine. Thanks
It would be better to use oil and a grease gun like mentioned in the video. Since air compresses, you need a lot more volume to make the same pressure. It is also safer to use a liquid, the same way boilers are hydro tested. Since the liquid (oil) doesn't compress, it takes less volume to make the pressure. And for safety reasons, if there happens to be a weak spot in the cast that breaks under pressure, the oil and grease will cause damage more like a freeze crack to an engine block instead of an explosion of compressed gas like a steam boiler exploding.
You might want to take a look at "Old Time Steam Powered Machine Shop" on the internet he could probably make you a new crankshaft for your older engine, hope I any exactly right on the name, may be off a little.
Hey guys, try this SUPER penetrating , rust busting solution, you can make cheap. mix 50/50 acetone and any type ATF and shake it up and put that in the cyl or around the skirts and then see what happens
I can't wait to see that grease zerk. I am going to try that on my Stozer KA like you told me to do. I have a video that has a 6hp headless Witte in it. It sounds so nice. Check this out around 3:30 ua-cam.com/video/ySS4Z4pcfVs/v-deo.html
I sure love it when guys are smarter than their tools. Thanks Roadking.
Thanks Bud!!☺
Great find! She'll move, ventually! Mikes idea is pretty sound. Either that, or 2 to 4 weeks of wd40 twice a day.. or both! Had a small 2 stroke, a 125cc, with the same problem some 20 years back.. Had surface rust all the way down the bore.. didn't think the piston would ever move. It did, with the help of a block of wood and some gentle persuasion with a hammer... :-P
*eventually.. I never make spelling mistakes, nor leave letter out.. never!. :-P
Mike is the small engine master! You guys will get it going I know!
You guys will get it , Mike know's his engine stuff .. Thumbs up King !
Thanks Bud!!☺
This is gonna be interesting to see what it takes to get it out ....I would put a come-a-long or something on the rod to pull on it and keep pressure on it as it is soaking
Yeah this is gonna be a tough one Buddy!!☺
This is going to to be interesting to watch Buddy.
It should be Buddy!!☺
Interesting predicament RK..I was thinking a shit load of boiling water in the water hopper and some dry ice in the piston...Interesting to see what you guys come up with.
Interesting Zig!! Never thought about Dry Ice in the piston!!☺
Always something interesting you guys got going on!
I think it would be a lot easier to fit up a plate with a grease nipple, then pump it with a grease gun and turning that cylinder into a high pressure hydraulic ram. If this fails, you still have the option of switching to high pressure air which is harder to control safely.
Thanks for the video RK, can't wait for the follow ups!
Cheers
Very appropriate for Halloween....working on a headless engine! :D Jack
Jack R haha lol
Lol!! We couldn't have planned that better!!☺
Crankshaft seems to be worth fixing if you have already been searching for 2 years. I just had a crank shaft from my McCormick welded. It was cracked in the same spot and the machine shop charged me 120 to weld, machine, and heat straighten
Should be another fun project. You guys are like me with lots of irons in the fire.
Yeah Buddy!! Ya get bored of one, just move on to another!!☺
big ol piston on that thing! Sounds like a good plan but i think i woulda left the crank and flywheels on would be easier to work it back and forth. Im sure youll get it. I was thinking you guys should build an open crank briggs I saw one at a show it was really cool I can send some pics if you want. Id build one myself but Iron briggs dont come my way too often
I sent you a PM Bud!! The Flywheels were in the way, they're easy enough to put back on once we break it loose!!☺
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Just put the head back on, Make sure the valves are closed and that they seal. Then hook a hydraulic line to a tractor or wood splitter into the spark plug hole.
A bit of a job ahead of you, but I have faith in your ability to overcome this. It'll be good to see the 'part 2' of this.
This is gonna be a tough one Bud!!☺
I have used a grease gun to unstick a lot of engines works like a charm most of the time fun fun
Just saw the M series Studebaker truck.....love it.
Fit up a plate with a grease nipple works every time and much safer than air
I'd spray a can of pb blaster in it, put a wood board on the side of the cylinder and hit the board with a air hammer using a blunt chisel. the shock should break it loose.
She's an oldie,,, Lets hope you can get it freed up!
Thanks Ray!! This is gonna be a tough one!!☺
Good stuff guys...I know you'll get it fixed up.
Thanks Bud!! I think this is gonna be a tough one!!☺
I was thinkin ,,, how about JB weld on that crank ?
Or duct tape ,,, the good stuff !
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ill never forget that engine. a doosey. 👍
I've had some success with vinegar soaking to break down rust and crud in stuck engines... May be worth a shot..
It's tough to get anything to soak the way this engine is set up, it's pretty unique!! This is gonna be a tough one!!☺
In your efforts to get the piston to move, could you put the cap back on the rod and take a piece of oak, place it in the rod hole and try a little twisting too? It's easy to sit here and quarterback on my keyboard. :) It was just a thought.
Nah that would just twist the Rod but thanks for trying to help Bud!!☺
Patience is a virtue with frozen stuff .try warm to hotter water some people put charcoal in the water hopper and lit it .
I would soak with liquid wrench or automatic tranny fluid .
cant wait for the next vid thanks guys
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100psi will yield approximately 11,300 pounds of force. Definitely use oil not compressed air. Oil will be much safer.
Something to keep in mind. That piston didn't get stuck overnight. It's going to take a bit to get it moving again.
That spark plugs still perfectly good! save it! :D
We'll send it to ya Bud!!☺
I love your videos
Thanks alot Bud!!☺
Chuck a stick of jelly in there lol. Nice motor. Wurth Rostoff ICE+ will free it up. Got a 3/4" drive rattle gun?cheers.
Yeah buddy, you're gonna think of a way to get that piston out!🤓👍👍
It's gonna be tough but we'll figure it out!!☺
why not rig up a hoist or a jack to pull on the connecting rod to yank the piston out?
This will be interesting!!!!!!
Yeah this is gonna be a tough one Buddy!!☺
A piston of diameter 6 inches under 150 psi of pressure is equal to a force of 1.88 metric tons.
thanks for another awesome video :)
Thanks for watching Bud!!☺
cool video, thanks
Well, if Mike's worried about bursting the cylinder, why not hydro-lock the water jacket too?
I'm sure you'll get it somehow! Is honing those headless ones a bit tricky too?
Nah, Honing is no problem once ya get the piston out!!☺
805ROADKING Good to hear!
I was thinking about this a bit. How expensive could it be to have a sand cast made of the cracked crankshaft, Make the bearing surfaces a bit larger for machining later and melt the old crank to pour a new one? I'm not familiar with foundries and pouring but you would essentially be recycling the crank material to make a new one thus getting the engine working again. Might be something for you guys to look into.
We looked into it long ago, it would cost about 3 grand!!☺
:( YIKES! Too much. Thank You for the reply.
Could you just use the plug on the end and seal the side for intro of hydraulic pressure? Cool project.
Yeah that would have been the ideal situation but the plug was rusted worse than the piston!!☺
Hi: Great Video's, A good machinist like Keith Fenner, or Adam Booth (both on YOU Tube)can deep grove out and Heli Arc the crack and also cut out the rusted on the shaft on a lathe and spray weld the surfaces like new. Please don't give up on that engine. Thanks
We already looked into that, it's just not cost effective to fix that crank or build a new one!!☺
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Im sure you will get it and save anther cool pice of history
We're gonna do our best Mate!!☺
cool i'll be watching this one :)
flood the combustion chamber with rustmort?
Just finished watching part 5.
Thanks Mel!! Hope you enjoyed it Bud!!☺
wow a powerful 6 horsepower
nice job
Thanks Bud!!☺
pi times radius squared = area of a circle
Nice! Should run pretty good when it's done
Yeah the rest of it seems to be in good shape!!☺
She's a beauty.
I'm sure you'll tame it in no time at all :)
I don't know Mate!! This is gonna be a tough one!!☺
I think I was the first to watch. this will be interesting
can you take the plug out and use air to push the piston out
It would be better to use oil and a grease gun like mentioned in the video. Since air compresses, you need a lot more volume to make the same pressure. It is also safer to use a liquid, the same way boilers are hydro tested. Since the liquid (oil) doesn't compress, it takes less volume to make the pressure. And for safety reasons, if there happens to be a weak spot in the cast that breaks under pressure, the oil and grease will cause damage more like a freeze crack to an engine block instead of an explosion of compressed gas like a steam boiler exploding.
fill the cylinder with oil and presurise it with a grease gun
To unseize that engine you put boiling hot oil into the cylinder and that should unseize it
just wire wheel that spark plug and throw it in a Briggs lol jk
You might want to take a look at "Old Time Steam Powered Machine Shop" on the internet he could probably make you a new crankshaft for your older engine, hope I any exactly right on the name, may be off a little.
I checked, the right name is "Old Steam Powered Machine Shop" I believe he can make anything.
Getting a new crank made is no problem, any machine shop will make it!! The problem is they want 5-6 times what the running engine is worth!!☺
Have a look at the 3D printing on Leno's garage RK .....
They scan the object then CNC ..... That's the way restoration will go in the future ..... :)
What cars has John got?
1930 Oakland and a 1953 Studebaker Stakebody with 30K miles on it!!☺
What did your buddy Rob say about that crank? I can fix that. And he can. HaHa
Yeah That's the first place we took it!! It's just way too expensive to fix or make a new one!!☺
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Aluma Brite will unseize a engine in minutes .
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Must be stuck bad
Yeah Buddy!!☺
Hey guys, try this SUPER penetrating , rust busting solution, you can make cheap. mix 50/50 acetone and any type ATF and shake it up and put that in the cyl or around the skirts and then see what happens
I've used that before, it's tough to get anything around the piston the way this is designed!!☺
I was thinking to put it on the backside instead of pushing it out with grease, it should flow around the piston
Used this caluclator for a 6" cylinder with 150 PSI put on it = 4241 LBS
www.baumhydraulics.com/calculators/cyl_calc.htm
I can't wait to see that grease zerk. I am going to try that on my Stozer KA like you told me to do. I have a video that has a 6hp headless Witte in it. It sounds so nice. Check this out around 3:30 ua-cam.com/video/ySS4Z4pcfVs/v-deo.html
Make sure you film the Stover, should be interesting!!☺