The Untold Origin of New Hyrule (Zelda Theory)
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- The parallel world of The Ocean King from Phantom Hourglass can get confusing when connecting the lore with Spirit Tracks. Especially when we consider how Linebeck and the people of what became New Hyrule got engine technology, making it a mystery to the Zelda series... could someone have brought it... maybe Sheikah?
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:18 Story Crash Course
2:27 Phantom Hourglass Discrepancies
4:29 The Significance of Linebeck
6:07 Where did the technology come from? - Ігри
Those graphics tho- 😫❤️
Ikr! When I found the beginnings and ends of them emulated to that good resolution I was thinking "WHY HAS NOBODY DONE A FULL PLAYTHROUGH LIKE THIS?!"
@@Zeldom I’d do that immediately
@@NebulAce1 If you had a more powerful laptop than a mac maybe you could with an emulator 😜
Better than botw
@@NebulAce1 ahem- ahem, my lady..... still waiting on some gameplay from you as well
Someone talking about spirit tracks in 2021? Finally!
Best 2D game!
And an actual theory about ST is on the way, as opposed to this "thought experiment" rather than solid theory.
Can’t wait!
Best Final Boss Theme
I know this comment is 2 years old but I'm always talking about Spirit tracks it's in my top 3 Zelda Games and I'm not apologizing.
The DS zelda games are so underrated
Faaaaacts!
They were literally my first Zelda games and it hurts my soul whenever ppl say they suck- ✋✋
@@ultomatosouper2194 well those people should suffer in the dark world
@@Zeldom they suck because of the controls if you didnt have to use a touch screen and used traditional controls it would be fine.
@@daemonisedone4256 they aren't that bad. Idk how people can't adjust to different control formats. I grew up with them and they are very usable. Obviously it's not the best control system, but for a ds it's fine.
Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks are the most whimsical and fun Zelda games and I'm so happy to see people are still talking about them
I like the idea. The Shiekah do tend to leave a strong presence despite not many of the race actually being present usually
Yeah the sheikah know how to hide
I always wanted to see more of New Hyrule especially in future games. I can imagine a scenario where the Hyrule in Breath of the Wild is the same one as New Hyrule. The advancement in technology leaves this timeline as an exciting one.
I saw spirit tracks and I never clicked so fast
Cool to see the ST appreciation :)
Spirit tracks vid? Nice they rare af especially these days
Ikr?! I'm surprised because these games have a lot of potential content in them. I'll try to work them into my schedule more
@@Zeldom there’s a lot of great things about the ds zelda games Linebeck and Ciela are incredibly fun characters, and if you removed the time mechanic and only visited the Temple of the Ocean king once it would be hailed as one of the best temples in the Zelda series it’s puzzle designs were brilliant and had something I really wanted to see in BotW puzzles with multiple solutions so that it doesn’t feel quite so much like the item/ability is just a key placed there by the devs (seriously why is there a leaf blower in the middle of the Laynayru mining facility) but instead a convenient tool that makes solving the puzzle easier but it wouldn’t be outright necessary for completion it makes the world feel a little more real and now onwards to Spirit Tracks where to start how about the music the music top tier from the overworld theme all the way to the best final boss theme in the entire series, the overworld is very creative with bosses and reasons to find each station and many have very creative puzzles in each station, and the relationship between Link and Zelda is the second best relationship we’ve seen with those two only slightly trailing behind Skyward Sword (fight me), the characters are still very fun Cole and Byrne are fun characters the ds games more than any other deserve hd remakes
It's amazing to see people talking about Spirit Tracks goddamn, it's an amazing game and I really wish it was more well received with more fans..
Perfect timing on that set of pipes with a ds microphone put me off playing it again.
I LOVE the idea that the sheikah fled to new hyrule during the Great Flood. That would explain so much!
Glad u like it :)
I think Spirit Tracks theories can make your channel even more unique than it is so you can maybe be known for “that Zelda guy that does ST videos” I think that would be cool cuz I personally never see ST theories
Love your videos mah boi! Keep it up
I'd love to do that. I do like to make a variety of topics for the entire franchise, but I have already added a few more ST theories to the list :)
@@Zeldom so hype for them!!!
Strangely the Spirits in Spirit Tracks are called "Götter" (Gods) and not "Geister" (Spirits) in the German version
Interesting. Each game has significant changes in each region so interpretations can actually vary depending on what version were talking about. It's nearly impossible to do research for every version for every theory, but I try to look into the japanese version when I can since that usually has the original meaning without anything lost to translation, but since I'm not literate in Japanese I can only use other people's accurate hand-written translations. And there's not many of those :(
This German interpretation even made me think that the Locomo Sword could be a second Master-Sword since both weapons would have been created by "Gods" but then I watched the English version and them I said to myself:
Welp, the Locomo Sword is not a Second Master-Sword 😶
Just like Levias is called "Narisha" in German and I got very disappointed about that translation, since Leviathan is a recurring creature in media.
So nice to see the DS games getting some attention! They’re both underrated, especially ST, and your theories are pretty convincing. Nice work!
Thank you
This could connect Spirit Tracks and BOTW since there are Ritos and Koroks in BOTW
Perhaps
I'm a simple man, I see Spirit Tracks and I click
Spirit tracks is the single most underrated zelda game. Fight me interwebz
Couldn't agree more
@@Zeldom I consider "Minish Cap" and MM 3D in the running, as well.
I always had a hunch that the Sheikah tribe in botw took some inspiration from New Hyrule's technology. I never once guessed that they were the ones who made that technology. This makes a lot of sense, and I'm really glad to see some spirit tracks discussion.
I'll definitely be checking out the force videos.
I love the graphics you used for this video! It turned out noice.
Thanks, it took me longer than it should have to edit this 13 minute video😅
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I love these games, very underrated in my oppinion
and that soundtrack is amazing
Thank you. The DS games are very underappreciated. And the music is AMAZING!
@@Zeldom Dude imagine a remake on switch, I know is't a pipe dream but still 😬
@@ro-q7621 I wish
There are almost always ways between these parallel worlds though. It's just possible to travel between them. Look at the other examples:
- the sacred realm has multiple entrances, the most popular one(s) being the one in the Temple of Time and the one sealed in the imprisoning war.
- the Dark Realm in ST has an entrance you use, found by the compass of light.
- the Twilight Realm has the mirror of twilight.
- Termina is accessible back and forth from the entrance we see, we know Skullkid was going back and forth before he got Majora's Mask because of the tale Anju's Grandmother tells us.
- Lorule was accessible from the crack in it's sacred realm.
Etc. There's more than just one or two instances of precedence for that magical entrances exist for these dimensions.
True. I don't like Termina's bc I'm still a believer that Termina wasn't another dimension... but yeah it's a fair point
@@Zeldom Did you know that the manual says it's a parallel world?
Yes but it can be a World created by the Lost wood based on link's subconscious to test Link... Like... "Accept navi's death and go away because if you don't you'll be lost and become a skull kid", like a warning
for years now i have been a fan of spirit tracks and have theorized about nearly everything this land offers, and i have to very much disagree with these points of lokomo technology being sheikah technology. there is a striking resemble between old and new hyrule in terms of religion, though the sole cause is from answering who the spirits of good/gods are. there is a strong parallel between hylia and thesr spirits as they both sealed their respective demon kings beneath the earth, both resembling one another with malladus losing his true appearance as he feeds off of the demon train to replace his dwindling power as he was not resurrected properly, before being exorcised. malladus is a spirit lacking a body, while demise is actually a body without a spirit as he requires zelda/hylia's soul for his own resurrection. the imprisoned has a lack of emphasis on the eyes unlike malladus as they represent the soul, though looking at demise's eye color it follows malladus's. there is a likely chance these two were the same entity and were split by hylia but what about proof of hylia being a spirit of good?
the most obvious would be how hylia's blood is referred to as blood of the spirits, being the reason why her body was required for malladus's resurrection. the second does lightly touch on the belief of the tetraforce, though the force used to represent the spirits like the ones present in the four temples are the only of their kind that are upside down, granting them great significance. hylia does seem to have a deep connection with technology, specifically with the ancient robots of lanayru, having this varient of steam technology not be out of the ordinary. this technology is not sheikah but what has grown to be known as lokomo technology, as the lokomo people represent the spirits as they are near-immortal angel-like beings with extreme similarities to hylians such as their ears, which retain the original ability to telepathically communicate with one another. though the original human natives of the land were just that, lacking a connection to old hyrule just like any other humanoid race outside of hyrule.
I had to return to this video after your stream today because it got me thinking: if the Sheikah had built the Tower of Spirits and brought their technology to New Hyrule, then the Lokomo Sword would be an alternate timeline version of the Royal Guard's Sword from BOTW. It's a Sheikah made replica of the Master Sword, but the only difference between the two would be that the Lokomo Sword actually repels evil. Just a cool little idea that popped into my head earlier.
Yea I've always thought it might've been the sheikah
Since ST was my first game I didn't ever even consider any theories about this game previously, so this was a fun start. I got 3 more ideas while making this video, all of which should be my more traditional style for theories
@@Zeldom I get that, Spirit tracks was the last Zelda I played but Majora was my first, I had so many questions for that game-
@@Nova-gh5yr I think everyone did XD
Ughhhhh I LOVE SPIRIT TRACKS. When I was a kid I would start a new game over and over and only beat the first temple because I was scared of what came after so I would only play up to the first temple
😂I played it alot as a kid but just kept getting stuck in the tower of spirits
@@Zeldom omg same I got stuck at the second level? The dark one with the torch phantom. There was a tear of light in a dark room in the top right corner that you had to blow up. I got the year of light and then everytime I walked out it looked like the phantoms were about to corner me. Idk it’s hard to explain but I got stuck at a lot of parts in that game. But still my favorite game also I love you you’re my favorite UA-camr
same
I just wanna note that Linebeck was granted a wish by the ocean king he was going to wish for treasure by instead wished to go to link's word but that's the Manga and if you don't like that then consider that he was promised treasure in the game by the ocean king and he could have asked to go to lin's world and the ocean king would have probably granted that to aid in Linebeck's character growth instead of supporting his greedy impulses. In conclusion, Linebeck did not just show up.
Mm, I’m not sure what to think, honestly, I’ve played a bunch of Spirit Tracks, and from what I remember, New Hyrule is only about a century old, and sure, there were already people there, and the Lokomo’s; but there aren’t really much of anything that I’d see resembling Sheikah materials, as well as a lot of the structures of the temples being *very* ancient.
This coupled with there being tracks in the Dark Realm make it seem more likely that trains in some way are a product of the Spirits, and because good and evil are wholly meshed and intrinsically linked, the demons would also have this, shown with the varying evil trains and such.
Spirits also seem to have a hefty power over life and death, seeing as Anjean summoned the fragments of Byrne’s soul after he got poofed.
As for the motifs of the pedestals holding the Force Gems in the temples and the Bow of Light, it seems much more resembling of a train turntable you’d see at a location like a railyard, where you’d rotate the train onto a different track by spinning it, such as what’s shown on the ground floor of the Tower of Spirits
I have always wondered how did Niko out live Tetra, Link and two Linebecks!?
Spirit Tracks takes place around two centuries from Ocarina of Time (Wind Waker is confirmed to take place around a century after, Spirit Tracks is confirmed to take place around a century after that) so it's absolutely possible that it was settled by survivors from Old Hyrule far before the establishment of the New Kingdom of Hyrule. We know that the Spirits of Good are deities, they are described as living in the heavens in the prologue to Spirit Tracks, and in the Japanese translation they are specifically named "The Gods of Light." My belief is that the Gods of Light/Spirits of Good were created by the Golden Goddesses to serve the same fuction as the Goddess Hylia when she was created and tasked to rule and defend the Goddess's Creation of Hyrule's World and the Triforce for thousands of years during the Era of the Goddess, thousands of years before Skyward Sword. The Goddesses likely could see that a Demon King would rise in the future to seek Power, as others had before (Demise, Vaati(?), Bellum(?), Ganon) in this newly settled land. The Spirits of Good were tasked with defending the Land that would become New Hyrule and the Life Force. The Triforce's current state is relevant here, as by the end of Wind Waker, the Triforce is once again split into three pieces, Courage going to Link, Wisdom to Zelda, and Power either returning to the Sacred Realm (à la A Link Between Worlds ending) or, possibly, still being with the petrified corpse of Ganondorf at the bottom of the Great Sea. Thus taking the Triforce out of the game so to speak, likely to be untouched for the rest of the Adult Timeline (considering how the last few times the Triforce was unified, it created the Dark World, and split the Timeline, which I believe the Goddesses know, and then sunk Old Hyrule for good). This means that the most powerful magical force in the Adult Timeline post-Wind Waker would be the Force Gems themselves. It could be assumed that Force Gems are an extention of Life Force and therefore this would explain why Malladus waged his war on New Hyrule in the first place centuries before, as he slaughtered living beings, he stole their Life Force, thus gaining in power, the Spirits of Good came down from Heaven and waged war on Malladus, banishing him for a time, however, they drained so much of their power all the energy they had left was used to create the Spirit Tracks to bind him and likely in creating the Lokomos as mortal incarnations (à la, Princess Zelda, Oracle of Seasons Din, Oracle of Ages Nayru) to look over the land and defend the Spirit Tracks, much as Zelda of Skyloft was born as an incarnation as the Goddess Hylia while she healed from her fight with Demise. The Spirit Train technology was gifted to the natives of New Hyrule so that one day a hero could use them to defeat the Demon King. I agree that Linebeck could absolutely be a native to the continent of New Hyrule, likely Gazpacho could be as well. Another thing I wonder about is the Mountain Goddess of the Gorons, seems odd for such a macho culture to worship a Mountain Goddess who is female, I wonder if it's inspired from the Hawaiian Goddess Pele, it also could signal that perhaps the Continent of New Hyrule was created via another Goddess we don't see, a Volcano Goddess separate from the Spirits of Good who existed to mold and shape the land using the Volcano found in the Fire Realm.
Keep up the excellent work with your channel my friend!
I would just like to mention that Linebeck likely wished to go with Link and Tetra, as getting a wish granted to him by Oshus was how he was bribed into helping Link.
It's nice character development since we know that he was originally going to use that wish to give himself great riches.
The Ocean King sent Linebeck back because he wished for it. If you recall, the Ocean King promised to grant him a wish if he helps stop Bellum, and this is what his wish was, to stay with Link. This is also there in the manga, though it isn't cannon.
Is it just me who wants spirit tracks to be part of the Zelda version of 3D allstars
I’ve got to skip out on this video cause I don’t want to spoil anything in ST (I’m very spoiler sensitive) but I’m still going to say this is a great video.
Gotcha and thank you XD
What if the "return to your own world" part meant the return of hyrule?
Think about in Wind Waker hyrule does not exist , in phantom hourglass your gaining knowledge which can help create hyrule and then in spirit tracks hyrule exist yet again.
Don't forget that hyrule usually equals ganon's return as well.
and the 3 (zelda , link and ganon ) are forever locked together.
I need to hear more about this, cause i cant decide if it is or isnt a different universe, but either way loved this video
Good to hear!
I really do need to figure out how to get Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass
Ebay my friend. I got phantom hourglass last summer for $12
WiiU virtual console if you're looking to speedrun
Funny as I just started another playthrough yesterday and the same thought past my mind
Interesting how that happens right? I just finished Phantom Hourglass so that inspired the first half's train of thought
@@Zeldom it really is amazing lol
I feel li'le this theory goes well with the theory that the Tower of the Gods was created by the Sheikah. And, if you think about it, even the relatively rudimentary technology of the Shadow Temple, was quite impressive, with its spinning scythes being perpetual in movement, and self-raising/dropping guillotines.
What I'm getting at is that the Sheika always seemed on the up and up with technology, and force would make for a good, seemingly endless power source for all their tech.
No, the locomos are a very seperate race from the sheikahs, this is their symbol on the train and everything. Not everything needs to be sheikahs related and besides, it is BotW that introduced the strange (for me) concept of sheikahs equals technology when in every other titles since OoT was sheikahs were magic users, specialized in shadow magic and artifacts such as the Lens of truth.
Those games need a remake!
Agreed
Iirc, the windfish as a species *can* make dream individuals real under certain scenarios.
However, iirc, there are lines that imply Linebeck was always from outside the dream world- and its worth noting that for Zelda something being a dream doesn't mean it isn't real.
That said, it isn't really surprising that people would end up in 'different lands' when Hyrule was flooded- for all that its portrayed as contained to Hyrule, there's too many outlets that would result in water rushing out as the Goddess(es) tried to flood it.
Meaning that it's not at all unlikely that the majority of the world was flooded as a side effect due to Hyrule's problems.
Agreed
8:54 The Chaos Emeralds turned into Ghosts.
12:28
Last king of Hyrule: forget these lands and ideas, it's gone, rebuild my children, blaze your own trail
kids: *Creates a new country named and largely stylized off of hyrule* nO, i DoN't ThInK i WiLl
Spirit tracks theory noice
Interesting video! For the Sheikah, I don't think there's enough evidence in-game to support this. However, the concept art for the map shows there were plans to add them back. Right behind fire mountain, we see a location labeled as the Hidden Village.
As for the Parallele Worlds, I think the games imply that Old Hyrule, the world of the ocean king, and new Hyrule are separate worlds connected by the sea in a similar fashion as termina. The only difference is that it's the Open Sea that connects them, so technically, you could accidentally sail into one of these realms and not know it. I eo think that NH is closer to the WotOK than old Hyrule.
Beedle in the World of the Ocean King is easily explained: he's an alternate, like the people of Termina.
Phantom Hourglass and spirit tracks are the most confusing games in the series because we never really learn why things exist because it feels more like a game that has connection to any of the others
Finally someone is talking about spirit tracks
"He slayed evil monsters and used their powers"
Sounds more like fantasy-flavored Mega Man than Zelda.
Just finished phantom hourglass. Perfect timing for this vid
Hey so did I!
isn't it possible that anouki simply evolved a little bit? Because for some reason they always made me think of the 2 yetis from TP just saying it would fit.
Wouldn't the Yetis in TP better connect to the Yook if there was a connection there?
@@Zeldom Well technically Yeti from TP comes close to those yea but Yeta comes closer to the anooki, maybe the 2 have merged into 1 race over time. I think that would be a possible option.
Great Video Zeldom.
17:13 I don't know. Isn't it odd that the demons from Spirit Tracks use similar tech?
Those High quality images though, they like came straight from a remake.
I really want new games in the adult timeline T-T
My only argument is that I think it is highly presumptuous to assume that spirits or any other celestial beings are incapable of or unwilling to use technology. I see no reason as to why technology cannot be used in tandem with force, magic, or antyhing else supernatural in nature. I think that magic and technology being two entirely separate forces in fiction is a rather short-sighted trope, and I can't think of a reason they couldn't be either united or one in the same in some universes. I think the idea is rather interesting, to be honest, and I think it would be cool to see something like this done. I would also say that the Sheikah technology is itself very like to magic, or at the very least approaching that point. There is also the fact that Sheikah do use magic. Anyway, that's a tangent. I really do like this theory and see it as pretty plausible. Well done!
yes indeed
2:48 time dialation in another world eh?
looks like 500 years in termina ain't so bad if Ordon is 100 years old
Fantastic video!
Thank you very much!
now all you need to do is give some love to the oracle games
IMO those are the most underrated games in the series
everyone talks about Zelda 1 and how it "started it all"
Zelda 2 and its broken mess
etc.
but does ANYONE give love to the oracle games? :(
I had phantom hourglass but i sold it because i needed the $
..
but now i want to play spirit tracks it looks sooo much more fun
I the oracle games are some of the last ones I havent played yet, but they were discussed in my last Link's Loves and my Dark Force video
@@Zeldom yea i know, i more meant their own theory video, i feel like they probably have some lore to explore, I more give love as in people need to mention it more since its one of the least talked about LOZ games even though their REALLY unique
@@alakazamlover4908 As I play the games I'll write down any ideas I may get. I just started OoS
@@Zeldom awesome!! Sorry i am just really passionate about those games, Oracle of seasons was my first LOZ game on an old website called playr.org
I honestly think it might be fun if you can form some sort theory around the animal friends since they're just sort've...there and you dont get much story about them
Completely ignoring whether or not the two worlds are the same, The Anouki are Penguin People. Why WOULDN'T they be able to migrate across the ocean?
spirits of good is a miss translation it was god of light in the japanese version which lines up with the picture niko shows depicting the conflict
This is a good theory!
Glad you like it!
I don't have time to watch the video now but there aren't any Sheika in WInd Waker so how would there be Sheika in New Hyrule? Unless some of Tetra's pirates were secretly Shiekah which I can't even say with a serious face. Will watch the video later today to see if you addressed this.
I do address how it's possible. This entire video is all hypothetical so that's why I put it in the title as a Zelda "Theory" 😅
@@Zeldom Ok I watched the video and you're saying the Lokomo are somehow related to the Shiekah? That's more plausible but as to how and why they left Hyrule when sworn to the Goddess Hylia is another matter. Too much what ifs IMO for this theory to be solid but I commend you on the video good sir and as you said, it's to get us to think about new things.
You're saying that sheika tecnology comes from adult time line.
I hate to say it but.... Lokomo technology and Sheikah technology don't seem like they're connected-
And there have been multiple mirror sheilds and other versions of magic items so- it could very well be a different bow of light also...
Don't get me wrong its interesting to think about but the adult timeline just seems like things were actually progressing to modern technology slowly, but breath of the wilds technology is still very different and-
A sheikah technology spirit train would likely be a lot different...
I will say this J love this theory except the only people still alive In the great sea who knew about hyrule was link and tetra also linebacker had a person he knew the entire game which was Jolene if I remember correctly going by this we can assume that linebacker was hunting for treasure in the ocean kings dream also if Jolene was there with linebacker it almost confirms that the treasure he stole from Jolene was in that dream meaning lineback was apart of the dream. I believe that after links adventure he got the idea to make engines which led him to make the first ever train in the great sea or new hyrule also tetra and link must have created new hyrule because they were the only people who new what the hyrule was
Best zelda game
This is random but.... I think botw link is part zoni
CAn this mean Linebeck is a Shiekah
I thought we all decided to pretend spirit tracks never happened, I mean sure it’s a good game but we just stopped talking about it
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Why do some people hate on spirit tracks?
I wonder why you seem concerned with definitions of words except the word technology. Who are the inventors of the spirit tracks?
Plus the whole continuity/timeline concept was not started by the devs. It was started by the fans and forced upon the series. I feel this was the worst thing ever strike against the zelda franchise. I have always liked the creativity of the zelda series and holding it down to a timeline or any kind of continuity imo is just negative in every way.