As a semi pro bike racer, I do 2-5 hours of cardio per day depending on the time of year. I also do 1 hour of weight training 4 days a week. I'm also 47 years old. Averaging 15-20 hours a week of exercise. I do it because I like to. Being in shape and looking like you're in shape are 2 different things.
very true...I ride alot as well. ride with guys who are doing 400km per week on the bike...that's alot for your average sprot enthusiast..however you won't become particularly aesthetic from doing this, hence why I do weights as well.
@@yeahbuddy4712 Unfortunately most cyclists don't understand how much lifting helps so they don't do it. In a couple weeks I get back on the heavy squats and deads for base training. Can't wait.
this. Whatever industry preaches , comes out as fake in the end. As my age goes up , cardio becomes so good, so pleasant , sleep is so much better, no muscle aches from broken muscle fiber.. whatever it might be - swimming , running , biking , literally anything i can do for 1 hour , it feels great. I will never go below 30 pushups , 50 bodysquats and 15 pullups. This is my strength check.
Indeed. I weigh almost 240lbs at 6ft2, but I can run 2 miles easily and I take the stairs at my job all day. If you have a bodybuilder's physique and you can't perform basic cardiovascular exercises like 20 burpees or run a mile, you are not fit.
@@International-BlackMan Agreed. I'd rather be able to run, do bodyweight exercise and be functional than have massive amounts of muscle mass and not be functional
Without even watching this entire video I can say cardio for 20-25 minutes at an intense pace 3-4 times a week helps the heart and doesn't burn too much muscle.
@@xenophon598 No you don't. Unless you keep your rest rates 100 percent below 30 secs and you are doing Hiit training. Which is not ideal for strength training. It's hybrid training not ideal for strength or cardio. Why not strength train in one session and do cardio later on, or on alternate days?
Get in a street fight tell me cardio isn't important such bullshit take a pro bodybuilder against a 150 pound mma or boxing pro he gets smoked mostly because of cardio and expertise my resting heart rate is 160 I have friends that are in the high 40s I have powerlifter friends on their 2nd heart attack cardio first heavy weights 2nd I don't care wtf anyone says been working out 47 years show me your 100 meter dash if not shut up I'm 63 cardio is everything. Ask Mario P Polish strongman ifcardio matters
@@xenophon598 No way. If you are training to OPTIMIZE muscle hypertrophy you are taking 3-4 min rest breaks between sets. A perfectly optimized weight training routine should barely register as any sort of cardio workout
Doing performance based cardio like sprinting actually helps make you a stronger lifter. Builds fast twitch, explosive power, and work capacity. Aside from sprints 2-3x per week just doing regular walking daily is great for you. It doesn't trigger a catabolic response in the body, lowers cortisol, and helps speed up recovery.
Easy to say when you have the genetics to be lean. I get fat just breathing air. My diet is spot on, but my body wants to store fat regardless. My two hours of cardio per day on top of training is what keeps me in shape. I've been training for 22 years and learned the hard way that the only way for me to stay in shape is with all this cardio. Everyone's body is different and some have to work harder than others. That's life.
I used to be the same during my bodybuilding years... I could put on muscle and body fat fairly easily and if I stopped doing any cardio work for any reason (or if I stopped working out altogether), my weight would creep up pretty quickly. And if I wanted to get really lean for summer? That meant a fairly strict diet plus 5 days of cardio a week (anything less and I wouldn't be able to make it)... Then some years later, I just stopped lifting weights entirely (got burned out by bodybuilding after so many years) and started doing calisthenics only a few times a week as my only form of exercise (I decided to stop doing any cardio whatsoever)... After a few months of this, I noticed to my big surprise that I actually became the *leanest* I'd ever been in my life, and all this without any real effort on my part (as opposed to how I had to go about it before)... all I was doing was trying to constantly improve my pull-ups, push-ups, dips and bodyweight squats and it felt as if my body no longer "welcomed" body fat accumulation as it used to. As much as people emphasize how vital cardio work is for getting lean, it wasn't until a stepped away from the typical weights + cardio paradigm that I realized it is actually possible to become lean (and do so more efficiently) than just the accepted "traditional" spending 40-60 min. on some cardio machine a few times a week.
@@cristobal.palmero4919 65 minutes progressive resistance on elliptical in the morning., 15 minutes progressive resistance elliptical pre-workout in the afternoon, then either 35 minutes progressive resistance elliptical post workout or jog/run on track 40 minutes - 1 hour depending on how I feel.
I always do cardio cause I don’t want to look like in shape but not be able to jog a block without dying. I want to look like I’m in shape and actually be in shape.
@@steveb6718 all jokes aside I'd be interested to see what Stan's numbers would be if he never took gear. I assume still world class, but being able to put a number on it would be really cool.
In HS I wrestled on a team with a few genetic outliers. I was blessed with great strength. I did 28 pull ups and set the record without much effort. Another teammate had insane cardio without training. He smoked a pack of cigarettes daily, skipped runs after practice, and still ran a 5:30 mile. He never gassed out. I could run a 6 minute mile but had to work hard to get there, no smoking, ran 5 days per week and still didn't have the cardio of my smoker friend. People underestimate genetics.
@@DNO_Fitness okay, not very surprised at such a young age. When people get to their late 30s and 40s the game changes. All the stuff we didn't do catches up to you. You need that cardio.
Depends what your fitness goals are. Strength and stability are part of the puzzle. But If overall health and optimal wellness with longevity is also a part of it - then endurance training (zone 2 and zone 5) is critical too
Cut the zone brainwash out. Weight resistance exercise is all anyone needs. Zone and data and manipulate numbers is all this zone nonsense is. Yuppy sheep
no, i think it isnt that critical, for example centenarians in blue zones don't do any endurance training, they just go almost everywhere walking and live a happy and simple life, but im not an expert on this, its just my opinion, watch documentaries about centenarians and blue zones, its interesting
I'm a 67-year-old bodybuilder I'm 5 feet tall and weigh 118 to 121 and still look cut, that's the only way I know that I am growing! LOL. I competed in 87 and 91 it was a short career. but life had to happen. Now I'm retired and my training is amazing...I never do cardio...I'm a jump roper, I do that once in a while just cause of love to jump but my metabolism is already blowing up. I have always been active...cheerleading all in high school. I was first singles tennis in my SENIOR year. I road my bike12 miles there and back to practice hitting the ball against a school wall. I was a farm girl. I worked right along with the guys...I eat healthy, bodybuilder style. body fat is maybe 12 15 % My legs are better than in my 30's. When I train I like to super set...I'm going for an hour and 15 minutes of constant movement...I keep moving or I'm super setting and I still train heavy...My heart is going when I push the sled with 4 plates...yes 67! I'm not bragging but with the exception of the older skin I look so much more fit that the 20 year old's...A big ass is not glutes! hahahaha! I'm kind of sassy like that...I have to admit I am an exception...I come with an extra battery hahahaha! Get fit live longer. Haven't been to a doctor in 15 years at least, I'm no drugs and smoke weed since I was 19. I don't go crazy it's my wine and I don't get the munchies...If I get the munches, I make a really good protein shake. TY
If you work a sedentary job all day, the only way you'll get 10k plus steps in is by doing cardio on a stepper,strider or treadmill. I have to do this an hour a day at low intensity. 30mins before work and 30mins after my workout. Its all person dependent with their life situation.
I run at least a 4 miles a week. If anything, it's been a great add on to my regimen this year. I love hitting the track after a great session at the gym.
Most people believe in cardio because of propaganda. It came from a doctor back in the 1960's named Ken Cooper who wrote a book about aerobics. His team figured out that if you exercised between 65-80 percent of your maximum heart rate, you would burn the maximum amount of fat calories per minute of exercise. His ideas started the jogging craze of the 1970's, and fitness centers with their treadmills, lifecycles, and stairmasters soon followed based on his research. The problem with Dr Cooper's idea was it was based on how much fat calories you burn while exercising. This is not what really matters. What really matters is exercising in a fashion that causes your body to get fitter. Aerobic, or cardiovascular exercise, although certainly not bad most of the time is not intense enough to improve your fitness very quickly. The whole point of exercise is to force your body to get fit quicker, because we evolved to improve our fitness rapidly if we exercise intensely. We actually accomplish getting fitter when we rest and sleep, not during the exercise. Sure, cardio will get you fit a little bit, and burn some fat, but doing it endlessly just puts pressure on your body you don't need. Cardio is just fine, but if you want to get fit quick, you need to sprint and lift weights intensely, and not too much. Evolution proves this.
Still a firm believer of brief an infrequent workouts, I just don't think the body's ability to recover and then overcompensate can be sped up for the natural
It can't. These guys wouldn't know because their on so much gear. Their recovery is very fast. A natural has to respect nature. Mike Mentzer has always been right..
The same goes for their diet. When you are on insulin when you are on a multitude of synthetic anabolics, your diet and cardio needs are very different.
I love cardio. Run easy 5-7K five times a week. Sometimes throw in sprints on the treadmill with the incline cranked up. Best hormone producing activity in my book
And many studies support that finding. You can actually rev up your HGH production with intense cardio training, and reduce circulating myostatin. Plus, not everybody can stay lean just by lifting weights.
I “personally” like cardio. My sad is certified muscle man and he says it’s not necessary however… for me “personally” it is. It fuels me well and keeps me on my mental toes
I Jog/Fast Pace Walk 4-7 times a week. Rarely run(Not Necessary), but Cardio is super important for heart health. Diet is #1, but Cardio doesn’t fall far behind. Yes, you can lose weight without doing a second of exercise, but you enhance your health by adding regular cardio. Even if it’s only 15 minutes a day.
I personally like keeping cardio and activity high and never having to go sub 3000 calories on a cut......could i be bigger/stronger if I didnt do as much? Maybe, but for me it's about fitness and not just trying to be as big as possible. Cardio is great for my mental health as well, I feel great when doing consistent cardio!
Same. I only do cardio to allow myself to eat 3800 calories daily without becoming 270 pounds and obese. I find that I never have to even once get hungry at 3800
The thing I never got is isn't doing a high intensity lifting session is basically a form of cardio? The heart rate is up throughout the entire session so wouldn't you get the same cardiovascular benefits or is the continuous motion of the running, swimming, biking, etc make the difference in the conventional thoughts on this.
I spent about 3 months doing cardio, and after losing a few pounds, I stagnated and tbh, just didn't feel strong. Switched to more strength training, and I feel and look better. I only do shadow boxing and skipping now. Not endless treadmill hikes.
How do you measure your Vo2 max as a average Joe? Can you explain why people live longer if they are skinnier and are always moving not with lifting weights but with gardening, cleaning, walking, running, handyman work stuff like that? The 80-90 year olds are not usually lifting weights but there still alive and healthy for the most part.
Here's something fun ....see how long you can walk on the climb/ stepmill with 35pound weighted vest on. You'll be fcuked after 5-6 mins. That's when the fun starts. 😁
Thanks for this video , I been trying for like 3 months this Idea , because make sense , Replace the cardio , for another work out , I feel Cardio kill my gains , n is real hard to recover, with another , workout , Reciver better, n the muscle pop out. Thanks Michael n stan .
The biggest lie in fitness is that cars kills gains. It’s just a preference in that you’re going to expend some calories doing cardio. But that expense is worth it because you’re training your heart which is kinda important when you’re tallying gains. So don’t look at it like that. Look at it like you’re making long term gains in that you’ll be able to be healthier while you’re older.
I've always sworn some heavy deadlifts or squats will give you more intense cardio than running a mile! I'm sure there's some differences in training the endurance of the muscles when running that you won't get from squats potentially BUT, and it's a big but, if you squat 4 sets of 10 somewhere around 75-80% of your 1 rep max your heart is going to be pumping HARD! And you'll be super out of breath 🫁 especially if you push your rest time down to 1.5 minutes or so. Most people including myself just don't have the will power or want to run hard enough and long enough to get that same heart rate and breathing elevation. Running feels like you're breaking the body down rather than building it up to me. A really good cardio device is the rowing machine, if you want some good resistance/cardio a rowing machine is maybe the best. The resistance is directly dependant on how hard you pull with your arms and push with your legs. You can literally get a bicep and back pump alongside a leg pump all while getting your heart rate super high and breathing heavily and it happens pretty quickly. A 2000 meter row as hard as you can will kick most people's asses.
I agree 100% ! Cardio is only as essential as to how much you eat or how much you lift depending on your goals. I have had high blood pressure, It is hereditary, bloodwork tested perfect and doctor was scratching his head. Cardio just isnt always the answer. I believe Moderate cardio may be helpful if you dont lift other wise. High intensity weight training and calories in and calories out are more important than slapping un-nesessary cardio,I just fade away, arms and legs get skinny and heart beats too fast... Less muscle burns less calories. Calories are for longevity. Blood pressure can just have a mind of its own if it is hereditary. I just lift intensely eat right and that works best for me as a natty .I also found that if I mix in multiple reps of 20 helps with endurance and that really works for me ;) Un-nesessary outside stress is what can really negatively go against your health and you need to get proper sleep or else our body can go against you. John Cena doesn't do cardio either and he was said to be one of the fittest athletes on the planet.
Weight resistance training is best fat burner. Build and maintain muscle mass is more efficient on body to stay trim and burn fat. Sheep are BRAINWASHED. Cardio is waste of time. Weight training and add muscle mass is best thing any human can do.
@Eddie spagetti I consult no-nothings at my gym every day. Whatever ails you, well cardio has to be the answer! The sheeple refuse to listen and the grow fatter by the day.
Not sure if you’d know the answer to this but...I walk 10k+ steps 5 x week during my 5 hour night shift, I also train with weights intensely for 2 hours 3 x week. Should I include 20 min of moderate intense cardio on elliptical for heart health 3 x week after lifting also or is the walking and weight training enough for heart health and would the cardio negate muscle gains? If what I’m doing with the walking and weights is enough, I’d rather skip the extra cardio for time reasons.
THIS was a great conversation! I've been Bodybuilding and an athlete in many disciplines. I found that exercises like bent over rows, squats, farmers walk and others stimulate INCREDIBLE cardio benefits when done on the high rep range or longer time duration. Awesome info Guys!
💯In agreement with you guys ! If you train using the HIT routine your getting cardio vascular benefits. Great show with two of the most highly respected , and knowledgeable athletes in the business!💪👏👏
Absolutely true. When i do heavy cardio like 3-5 times a week, i get super sucked up. Legs get small, arms etc! And i look less in shape. Being a ex football player i feel ive done well my share of cardio Not mention it makes my heart race
Not saying this is right, but I go 8-12 rounds on the heavy bag, 2-3 times a week and I feel like it helps my shoulders and also helps me achieve better intensity in my weight training. Thoughts? male / age 40 / 195lbs / 5'10"
As an massage therapist, i tell 100% of my clients this! Actually if your not putting in the work, i truly do not want to work with them! They are not to depend,but use me as a tool until they do not need! Does no good to waste money unless they are mega millionaire and dont care,but if that's the case regardless they will improve and sustain with massage!
MY CARDIO IS 20 MINS OF BIKE ON TUESDAY..WHEN I WEIGHT TRAIN THATS MY CARDIO TOO..I ONLY REST 30 SECONDS TO A MINUTE BETWEEN SETS..SAUNA 30 MINS A DAY FOR 5 DAYS IS MY OTHER CARDIO..ANYTHING THAT RAISES YOUR HEART RATE IS CARDIO
Where the interviewer talks more than the interviewee...its simple, ask question, shut up, and listen to HIS response-patiently. This is how to conduct a great interview.
For someone who’s extremely out of shape shiould 🎉 his cardio necessary or should I just keep that out because it wasn’t mentioned in the video or should I just go right into listing Heavy weights because I need to get back to . I was I’ve gone through depression due to serious A serious of family loses So if u can tell .
Diet is the cardio ! I only run few times a week to keep my legs pumped in between the days I train them . I power wash houses decks and commercial properties every day . That's my cardio and sweat lol I am 6 3 slim build . My upper body grows over night , can only train one part a week . My legs I have do 3 times a week . If I miss a week they lose over night . Just genetics. The great Dallas macarver once said , stop using genetics as a crutch , how do you know your true genetic potential if you haven't even put in the work .❤️
It has a lot to do with the individuals DNA. This is why it’s important to understand one’s individual genetics to reach one’s best health, fitness and athletic performance. It’s always going to be a debate because things like cardio all work differently for everyone. However, when you understand yourDNA - you will have a much better understanding as to what is best
When I was in I would tell my guys they should train like a triathlete. Must be able to lift a lot, run a lot, and walk long distances with a heavy load. Just lifting won’t get you all that. Best way to look at it is by seeing all these bodybuilders dropping dead. When do you see triathletes, cross fitters, or anyone else that does high amounts of cardio just drop dead
Did we get to the average Joe? Maybe I missed it. The average Joe needs 150 minutes of cardio a week AND resistance training at least 3 times a week. Mike is excited because he's in the top 1% that's at 8 Mets and doesn't need cardio. Great Mike, that's so great for you, you're so Awesome. Stan is a true wealth of info--Thank You.
This is an amazing video with great information! Thank you for the video as I enjoyed it all especially with 2 of the best w/ Stan And Mike! GAINZ 💪🏼👊🏼💯
It will always be weights and cardio (swimming and interval runs) for me since I travel extensively, and need to be fit for the activities I participate in.
@@mr.winkie I’m sorry bro I didn’t mean the hostility we all know Mike is ok roids I just don’t get why people bring it up especially since he has so much valuable information
I'm 68 years old I have been doing strength training for over 50+ years lifting weights and resistance training my body fat % is never above 10% .I DO NO CARDIO and neither do my clients. I'm a certified qualified experienced personal trainer from Australia. I train 6 days a week
Lately Hathor Bjorensen has benefitted greatly from cardio intensive workouts, and it has probably saved his life. Anyone using PED's has to factor in their sport, age, intensity, diet and health; at some point you can't deadlift 1k pounds anymore and you have to adapt to your body breaking down. If you're consuming more than 6k calories a day to be strong in your 50's for over 30 years you might be killing yourself slowly. Most runners consume less calories and can balance themselves throughout multiple athletic endeavors, where lifting heavy and looking like a Mr. Olympian demands too much on the body over time. Cardio is the answer to problems associated with lifting heavy for long periods.
I will say this not doing cardio makes me Lazy. I at least need three days of cardio a week. If I lift weights and don’t do cardio after a week or so I will start to feel depressed and Lazy. Cardio is important as far as I am concerned. Take what you will from that. It also helps with fat loss and recovery.
Very true. Was surprised recently to realise am getting quite aerobically fit again. Doing 30/40 mins of cardio after each session just for the endorphins, not even thinking of health. The movement definitely gets rid of that lazy, stagnant feeling. Plus, cardio helps weight training by strengthening core, knees etc - all the smaller stabilising muscles that can be missed in weight training.
In the middle of the 21st century, 2022, someone is talking about aerobic physical exercise and associating it with cardio, something that doesn't exist, only in America. High-intensity resistance exercise is the best and only way to work on cardiovascular fitness. Running 1 hour a day does nothing for cardiovascular health, nothing!
Some jobs force you to do cardio, like a mail man that walks. Does the study take that into account when it suggest you don't need cardio. Officially they didn't do cardio but they really do.
When you are in gear you can train aerobically like a madman with weight training and not loose an inch . When your off gear do excessive aerobics and you will be beyond the point of looking gaunt. Excessive aerobics make you look 15 years older look at the runners
@@darkoale3299 nope ok your correct. Guess the young women getting face fillers from prominent plastic surgeons doctors who excessive aerobics sunk in their face is a myth. And men as well. .
The only cardio I do is walk uphill on treadmill, hike outdoors, or stair master. 1-3x a week max. If you’re lifting hard and heavy and going to sauna after then you will have cardiovascular endurance.
Awesome. 🏆☀️ LEGENDARY 🥇, you two🌟💪🌟💪💥‼️ working in a factory, will take care of any need for cardio lol. ... On the weekends, I'll take small walks, just to assimilate meal and supplements. ...we use to play basketball, softball, driving ranges, kill the guy w the ball lol, (actually til 22), was my fave, on that one lol....! Highschool was so much fun! 💪✌️
I guess my question is if all the cardio people can die young from the wear and tear on joints, bones/body etc. why do so many weightlifters/bodybuilders die young as well then?
.. Stan is a very sharp, educated, knowledgeable guy .. I hope that this video helps explode the myths and dogma pertaining to cardio that is still embraced and propagated by many of the so called 'experts'
A big THANK YOU to two of the best in the industry!
Absolutely 💯
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The best liars sure. These lying sacks of shit need to be sued...
Good trening advice
As a semi pro bike racer, I do 2-5 hours of cardio per day depending on the time of year. I also do 1 hour of weight training 4 days a week. I'm also 47 years old. Averaging 15-20 hours a week of exercise. I do it because I like to. Being in shape and looking like you're in shape are 2 different things.
very true...I ride alot as well. ride with guys who are doing 400km per week on the bike...that's alot for your average sprot enthusiast..however you won't become particularly aesthetic from doing this, hence why I do weights as well.
@@yeahbuddy4712 Unfortunately most cyclists don't understand how much lifting helps so they don't do it. In a couple weeks I get back on the heavy squats and deads for base training. Can't wait.
this. Whatever industry preaches , comes out as fake in the end. As my age goes up , cardio becomes so good, so pleasant , sleep is so much better, no muscle aches from broken muscle fiber.. whatever it might be - swimming , running , biking , literally anything i can do for 1 hour , it feels great. I will never go below 30 pushups , 50 bodysquats and 15 pullups. This is my strength check.
Indeed. I weigh almost 240lbs at 6ft2, but I can run 2 miles easily and I take the stairs at my job all day. If you have a bodybuilder's physique and you can't perform basic cardiovascular exercises like 20 burpees or run a mile, you are not fit.
@@International-BlackMan Agreed. I'd rather be able to run, do bodyweight exercise and be functional than have massive amounts of muscle mass and not be functional
Cardio is extremely important because of blood flow👍🏻
Without even watching this entire video I can say cardio for 20-25 minutes at an intense pace 3-4 times a week helps the heart and doesn't burn too much muscle.
you get that cardio if you're weight training properly.
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@@xenophon598 No you don't. Unless you keep your rest rates 100 percent below 30 secs and you are doing Hiit training. Which is not ideal for strength training. It's hybrid training not ideal for strength or cardio. Why not strength train in one session and do cardio later on, or on alternate days?
Get in a street fight tell me cardio isn't important such bullshit take a pro bodybuilder against a 150 pound mma or boxing pro he gets smoked mostly because of cardio and expertise my resting heart rate is 160 I have friends that are in the high 40s I have powerlifter friends on their 2nd heart attack cardio first heavy weights 2nd I don't care wtf anyone says been working out 47 years show me your 100 meter dash if not shut up I'm 63 cardio is everything. Ask Mario P Polish strongman ifcardio matters
@@xenophon598 No way. If you are training to OPTIMIZE muscle hypertrophy you are taking 3-4 min rest breaks between sets. A perfectly optimized weight training routine should barely register as any sort of cardio workout
Doing performance based cardio like sprinting actually helps make you a stronger lifter. Builds fast twitch, explosive power, and work capacity.
Aside from sprints 2-3x per week just doing regular walking daily is great for you. It doesn't trigger a catabolic response in the body, lowers cortisol, and helps speed up recovery.
Of course its extremely important . Its strengthens your heart and helps you keep your ideal body weight!
Moral of the story everyone should have a active lifestyle to help aid to having a healthy long life
Easy to say when you have the genetics to be lean. I get fat just breathing air. My diet is spot on, but my body wants to store fat regardless. My two hours of cardio per day on top of training is what keeps me in shape. I've been training for 22 years and learned the hard way that the only way for me to stay in shape is with all this cardio. Everyone's body is different and some have to work harder than others. That's life.
I used to be the same during my bodybuilding years... I could put on muscle and body fat fairly easily and if I stopped doing any cardio work for any reason (or if I stopped working out altogether), my weight would creep up pretty quickly.
And if I wanted to get really lean for summer?
That meant a fairly strict diet plus 5 days of cardio a week (anything less and I wouldn't be able to make it)...
Then some years later, I just stopped lifting weights entirely (got burned out by bodybuilding after so many years) and started doing calisthenics only a few times a week as my only form of exercise (I decided to stop doing any cardio whatsoever)...
After a few months of this, I noticed to my big surprise that I actually became the *leanest* I'd ever been in my life, and all this without any real effort on my part (as opposed to how I had to go about it before)... all I was doing was trying to constantly improve my pull-ups, push-ups, dips and bodyweight squats and it felt as if my body no longer "welcomed" body fat accumulation as it used to.
As much as people emphasize how vital cardio work is for getting lean, it wasn't until a stepped away from the typical weights + cardio paradigm that I realized it is actually possible to become lean (and do so more efficiently) than just the accepted "traditional" spending 40-60 min. on some cardio machine a few times a week.
I agree as my body is exactly the same
Yep I’m the exact the same.. I hate my genetics
2 hours per day? What do you do?
@@cristobal.palmero4919 65 minutes progressive resistance on elliptical in the morning., 15 minutes progressive resistance elliptical pre-workout in the afternoon, then either 35 minutes progressive resistance elliptical post workout or jog/run on track 40 minutes - 1 hour depending on how I feel.
I always do cardio cause I don’t want to look like in shape but not be able to jog a block without dying. I want to look like I’m in shape and actually be in shape.
Exactly. Have you ever seen Mike hit a heavy bag or go for a run? Just different ways of being in shape.
I can take off cardio for months and come back and run the same amount it’s all about controlling your heart rate with slow breathing
100%bro
must suck being Stan, had to take loads of gear to be almost as strong and big as Mike, who's all natty
@@steveb6718 all jokes aside I'd be interested to see what Stan's numbers would be if he never took gear. I assume still world class, but being able to put a number on it would be really cool.
In HS I wrestled on a team with a few genetic outliers. I was blessed with great strength. I did 28 pull ups and set the record without much effort. Another teammate had insane cardio without training. He smoked a pack of cigarettes daily, skipped runs after practice, and still ran a 5:30 mile. He never gassed out. I could run a 6 minute mile but had to work hard to get there, no smoking, ran 5 days per week and still didn't have the cardio of my smoker friend. People underestimate genetics.
At what age?
@@jimmyjam5453 I set the record senior year. The guy with crazy cardio had it throughout highschool and probably well after.
@@DNO_Fitness okay, not very surprised at such a young age. When people get to their late 30s and 40s the game changes. All the stuff we didn't do catches up to you. You need that cardio.
Depends what your fitness goals are. Strength and stability are part of the puzzle. But If overall health and optimal wellness with longevity is also a part of it - then endurance training (zone 2 and zone 5) is critical too
Cut the zone brainwash out. Weight resistance exercise is all anyone needs. Zone and data and manipulate numbers is all this zone nonsense is. Yuppy sheep
no, i think it isnt that critical, for example centenarians in blue zones don't do any endurance training, they just go almost everywhere walking and live a happy and simple life, but im not an expert on this, its just my opinion, watch documentaries about centenarians and blue zones, its interesting
I'm a 67-year-old bodybuilder I'm 5 feet tall and weigh 118 to 121 and still look cut, that's the only way I know that I am growing! LOL. I competed in 87 and 91 it was a short career. but life had to happen. Now I'm retired and my training is amazing...I never do cardio...I'm a jump roper, I do that once in a while just cause of love to jump but my metabolism is already blowing up. I have always been active...cheerleading all in high school. I was first singles tennis in my SENIOR year. I road my bike12 miles there and back to practice hitting the ball against a school wall. I was a farm girl. I worked right along with the guys...I eat healthy, bodybuilder style. body fat is maybe 12 15 % My legs are better than in my 30's. When I train I like to super set...I'm going for an hour and 15 minutes of constant movement...I keep moving or I'm super setting and I still train heavy...My heart is going when I push the sled with 4 plates...yes 67! I'm not bragging but with the exception of the older skin I look so much more fit that the 20 year old's...A big ass is not glutes! hahahaha! I'm kind of sassy like that...I have to admit I am an exception...I come with an extra battery hahahaha! Get fit live longer. Haven't been to a doctor in 15 years at least, I'm no drugs and smoke weed since I was 19. I don't go crazy it's my wine and I don't get the munchies...If I get the munches, I make a really good protein shake. TY
I’m 52, 32 yrs lifting. True Dat.👏
I'm 55, 38 yrs lifting. True dat
IM 47..47 YEARS OF LIFTING ..TRUE DAT
This was great, you can tell how these men are just dominant even in their 50’s. Legends!
Stan does look like he has high BP though.
If you work a sedentary job all day, the only way you'll get 10k plus steps in is by doing cardio on a stepper,strider or treadmill. I have to do this an hour a day at low intensity. 30mins before work and 30mins after my workout.
Its all person dependent with their life situation.
I run at least a 4 miles a week. If anything, it's been a great add on to my regimen this year. I love hitting the track after a great session at the gym.
Most people believe in cardio because of propaganda. It came from a doctor back in the 1960's named Ken Cooper who wrote a book about aerobics. His team figured out that if you exercised between 65-80 percent of your maximum heart rate, you would burn the maximum amount of fat calories per minute of exercise. His ideas started the jogging craze of the 1970's, and fitness centers with their treadmills, lifecycles, and stairmasters soon followed based on his research.
The problem with Dr Cooper's idea was it was based on how much fat calories you burn while exercising.
This is not what really matters. What really matters is exercising in a fashion that causes your body to get fitter. Aerobic, or cardiovascular exercise, although certainly not bad most of the time is not intense enough to improve your fitness very quickly. The whole point of exercise is to force your body to get fit quicker, because we evolved to improve our fitness rapidly if we exercise intensely. We actually accomplish getting fitter when we rest and sleep, not during the exercise.
Sure, cardio will get you fit a little bit, and burn some fat, but doing it endlessly just puts pressure on your body you don't need.
Cardio is just fine, but if you want to get fit quick, you need to sprint and lift weights intensely, and not too much.
Evolution proves this.
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Still a firm believer of brief an infrequent workouts, I just don't think the body's ability to recover and then overcompensate can be sped up for the natural
It can't. These guys wouldn't know because their on so much gear. Their recovery is very fast. A natural has to respect nature. Mike Mentzer has always been right..
The same goes for their diet. When you are on insulin when you are on a multitude of synthetic anabolics, your diet and cardio needs are very different.
I love cardio. Run easy 5-7K five times a week. Sometimes throw in sprints on the treadmill with the incline cranked up. Best hormone producing activity in my book
And many studies support that finding. You can actually rev up your HGH production with intense cardio training, and reduce circulating myostatin. Plus, not everybody can stay lean just by lifting weights.
I “personally” like cardio. My sad is certified muscle man and he says it’s not necessary however… for me “personally” it is. It fuels me well and keeps me on my mental toes
Same
I Jog/Fast Pace Walk 4-7 times a week. Rarely run(Not Necessary), but Cardio is super important for heart health. Diet is #1, but Cardio doesn’t fall far behind. Yes, you can lose weight without doing a second of exercise, but you enhance your health by adding regular cardio. Even if it’s only 15 minutes a day.
Me too helps me stay lean
I love Stan he's so Authentic. Thanks for bringing him on.
I personally like keeping cardio and activity high and never having to go sub 3000 calories on a cut......could i be bigger/stronger if I didnt do as much? Maybe, but for me it's about fitness and not just trying to be as big as possible. Cardio is great for my mental health as well, I feel great when doing consistent cardio!
That's because cardio is healthy and good for you, and these guys are not into health, they're into strength and bodybuilding. Keep doing what you do!
Same. I only do cardio to allow myself to eat 3800 calories daily without becoming 270 pounds and obese. I find that I never have to even once get hungry at 3800
Great listening to Stan talking
The thing I never got is isn't doing a high intensity lifting session is basically a form of cardio? The heart rate is up throughout the entire session so wouldn't you get the same cardiovascular benefits or is the continuous motion of the running, swimming, biking, etc make the difference in the conventional thoughts on this.
I spent about 3 months doing cardio, and after losing a few pounds, I stagnated and tbh, just didn't feel strong. Switched to more strength training, and I feel and look better. I only do shadow boxing and skipping now. Not endless treadmill hikes.
True, endless treadmill is not the way to go, either.
Yup, and lifting weights burns calories for much longer than cardio does. And the cardio increases appetite and doesn’t burn as much as long
@@SOC-ir6im Post some vids of you actually doing something athletic besides blather away, please.
The Heart is the most important muscle in the body.
How do you measure your Vo2 max as a average Joe? Can you explain why people live longer if they are skinnier and are always moving not with lifting weights but with gardening, cleaning, walking, running, handyman work stuff like that? The 80-90 year olds are not usually lifting weights but there still alive and healthy for the most part.
My entire life got better when I stopped glory lifting and switched to cardio. Lifting is fun and cardio sucks. Strong men do hard things.
Why not do both?
Here's something fun ....see how long you can walk on the climb/ stepmill with 35pound weighted vest on. You'll be fcuked after 5-6 mins. That's when the fun starts. 😁
Thanks for this video , I been trying for like 3 months this Idea , because make sense , Replace the cardio , for another work out , I feel Cardio kill my gains , n is real hard to recover, with another , workout , Reciver better, n the muscle pop out. Thanks Michael n stan .
The biggest lie in fitness is that cars kills gains. It’s just a preference in that you’re going to expend some calories doing cardio. But that expense is worth it because you’re training your heart which is kinda important when you’re tallying gains.
So don’t look at it like that. Look at it like you’re making long term gains in that you’ll be able to be healthier while you’re older.
I've always sworn some heavy deadlifts or squats will give you more intense cardio than running a mile! I'm sure there's some differences in training the endurance of the muscles when running that you won't get from squats potentially BUT, and it's a big but, if you squat 4 sets of 10 somewhere around 75-80% of your 1 rep max your heart is going to be pumping HARD! And you'll be super out of breath 🫁 especially if you push your rest time down to 1.5 minutes or so. Most people including myself just don't have the will power or want to run hard enough and long enough to get that same heart rate and breathing elevation. Running feels like you're breaking the body down rather than building it up to me.
A really good cardio device is the rowing machine, if you want some good resistance/cardio a rowing machine is maybe the best. The resistance is directly dependant on how hard you pull with your arms and push with your legs. You can literally get a bicep and back pump alongside a leg pump all while getting your heart rate super high and breathing heavily and it happens pretty quickly. A 2000 meter row as hard as you can will kick most people's asses.
You need both to be at your best. Plus food is the overall key to a great body. That’s where most people screw up.
Cardiovascular work depends on what the individual wants. If you feel better doing it, do it.
Excellent content. Eloquent and specific, thanks gentlemen.
I agree 100% ! Cardio is only as essential as to how much you eat or how much you lift depending on your goals. I have had high blood pressure, It is hereditary, bloodwork tested perfect and doctor was scratching his head. Cardio just isnt always the answer. I believe Moderate cardio may be helpful if you dont lift other wise. High intensity weight training and calories in and calories out are more important than slapping un-nesessary cardio,I just fade away, arms and legs get skinny and heart beats too fast... Less muscle burns less calories. Calories are for longevity. Blood pressure can just have a mind of its own if it is hereditary. I just lift intensely eat right and that works best for me as a natty .I also found that if I mix in multiple reps of 20 helps with endurance and that really works for me ;) Un-nesessary outside stress is what can really negatively go against your health and you need to get proper sleep or else our body can go against you. John Cena doesn't do cardio either and he was said to be one of the fittest athletes on the planet.
Weight resistance training is best fat burner. Build and maintain muscle mass is more efficient on body to stay trim and burn fat. Sheep are BRAINWASHED. Cardio is waste of time. Weight training and add muscle mass is best thing any human can do.
@Eddie spagetti
I consult no-nothings at my gym every day. Whatever ails you, well cardio has to be the answer! The sheeple refuse to listen and the grow fatter by the day.
stan is worried about cardio but he injects garbage into his body lol
Exactly you can't make this stuff up.
Not sure if you’d know the answer to this but...I walk 10k+ steps 5 x week during my 5 hour night shift, I also train with weights intensely for 2 hours 3 x week. Should I include 20 min of moderate intense cardio on elliptical for heart health 3 x week after lifting also or is the walking and weight training enough for heart health and would the cardio negate muscle gains? If what I’m doing with the walking and weights is enough, I’d rather skip the extra cardio for time reasons.
THIS was a great conversation! I've been Bodybuilding and an athlete in many disciplines. I found that exercises like bent over rows, squats, farmers walk and others stimulate INCREDIBLE cardio benefits when done on the high rep range or longer time duration. Awesome info Guys!
A set of 15 reps for squats. Is like running 5 miles. It taxes the cardiovascular system
💯In agreement with you guys ! If you train using the HIT routine your getting cardio vascular benefits. Great show with two of the most highly respected , and knowledgeable athletes in the business!💪👏👏
I ran to the buffet today. Does that count ?
Awesome interview!!!!💪😀👍
Absolutely true. When i do heavy cardio like 3-5 times a week, i get super sucked up. Legs get small, arms etc!
And i look less in shape.
Being a ex football player i feel ive done well my share of cardio
Not mention it makes my heart race
Cardio makes your heart race? You don't say... Lol
Great conversation and information. Thanks
How do you measure the Mets??
I've been working delivery for amazon for about a year. I've cut out all cardio now.
Not saying this is right, but I go 8-12 rounds on the heavy bag, 2-3 times a week and I feel like it helps my shoulders and also helps me achieve better intensity in my weight training. Thoughts?
male / age 40 / 195lbs / 5'10"
As an massage therapist, i tell 100% of my clients this!
Actually if your not putting in the work, i truly do not want to work with them!
They are not to depend,but use me as a tool until they do not need!
Does no good to waste money unless they are mega millionaire and dont care,but if that's the case regardless they will improve and sustain with massage!
Please please please follow up with the powerlifting aspect with Stan. Cardio and powerlifters. Great show
Currently in my offseason. Going to try no cardio. Body fat has come up but it seams like my body, joints are less painful.
Luv it! I’m & my 60s & my husband in his late 50s. We progressively lift & do no cardio.
Talking a walk after supper as I am listening 🎧 to this
MY CARDIO IS 20 MINS OF BIKE ON TUESDAY..WHEN I WEIGHT TRAIN THATS MY CARDIO TOO..I ONLY REST 30 SECONDS TO A MINUTE BETWEEN SETS..SAUNA 30 MINS A DAY FOR 5 DAYS IS MY OTHER CARDIO..ANYTHING THAT RAISES YOUR HEART RATE IS CARDIO
2 of my favorites in one podcast
Where the interviewer talks more than the interviewee...its simple, ask question, shut up, and listen to HIS response-patiently. This is how to conduct a great interview.
Yes take advice from men who won't be around in 10 years. Balance in all aspects of life is essential
Great conversation fellas. Quite educational. Thank you.
For someone who’s extremely out of shape shiould 🎉 his cardio necessary or should I just keep that out because it wasn’t mentioned in the video or should I just go right into listing
Heavy weights because I need to get back to .
I was I’ve gone through depression due to serious A serious of family loses
So if u can tell .
love these guys! both are inspirations
Diet is the cardio ! I only run few times a week to keep my legs pumped in between the days I train them . I power wash houses decks and commercial properties every day . That's my cardio and sweat lol I am 6 3 slim build . My upper body grows over night , can only train one part a week . My legs I have do 3 times a week . If I miss a week they lose over night . Just genetics. The great Dallas macarver once said , stop using genetics as a crutch , how do you know your true genetic potential if you haven't even put in the work .❤️
It has a lot to do with the individuals DNA. This is why it’s important to understand one’s individual genetics to reach one’s best health, fitness and athletic performance.
It’s always going to be a debate because things like cardio all work differently for everyone. However, when you understand yourDNA - you will have a much better understanding as to what is best
Stan is the best
As a 25yr old joining the military makes me want to choose the crossfit route to b professional at. Cardio is a must!
When I was in I would tell my guys they should train like a triathlete. Must be able to lift a lot, run a lot, and walk long distances with a heavy load. Just lifting won’t get you all that. Best way to look at it is by seeing all these bodybuilders dropping dead. When do you see triathletes, cross fitters, or anyone else that does high amounts of cardio just drop dead
Stan, the man...I love Stan...learned a ton of Stan..
Did we get to the average Joe? Maybe I missed it. The average Joe needs 150 minutes of cardio a week AND resistance training at least 3 times a week. Mike is excited because he's in the top 1% that's at 8 Mets and doesn't need cardio. Great Mike, that's so great for you, you're so Awesome. Stan is a true wealth of info--Thank You.
Ya exactly 150 minutes or you will die. which talking head on youtube did you get that from lol
Winstrol 50mg a day drink it works great 👍
What an interview Mike! So much experience and knowledge between you two. Thank Sirs!
This is an amazing video with great information! Thank you for the video as I enjoyed it all especially with 2 of the best w/ Stan And Mike! GAINZ 💪🏼👊🏼💯
Good information and a great interview
Lee Priest does(did) 2-4 hrs cardio a day
Agree to disagree!!! When your on gear you can maybe afford to not do any cardio!!!!
For me,,it’s a definite!
Sprints!
It will always be weights and cardio (swimming and interval runs) for me since I travel extensively, and need to be fit for the activities I participate in.
Well, I’d say cardio is more important than using illegal steroids and legal PDs and lying ur whole life to fans and family, but that’s just me.
Agreed but lots idol these needle junkies.
Bro literally shut up
@@CelestialFitness123 y?
@@mr.winkie I’m sorry bro I didn’t mean the hostility we all know Mike is ok roids I just don’t get why people bring it up especially since he has so much valuable information
I'm 36 years old, "cardio" hits different than I was when I was 26. I don't mean that in a bad way, or a good way.
I’ve yet to do cardio in the last 12 years and my cardiovascular system is top notch 💅🏻
😂😂😂😂 yeah buddy
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Go play sports n see how long youll last. Go all out though
@@InvincibleMegaBeast body builders don't last long... lol...
@@InvincibleMegaBeast clearly you know nothing about bodybuilding. No one care about playing “sports “ or kid games lol.
I'm 68 years old I have been doing strength training for over 50+ years lifting weights and resistance training my body fat % is never above 10% .I DO NO CARDIO and neither do my clients. I'm a certified qualified experienced personal trainer from Australia. I train 6 days a week
Lately Hathor Bjorensen has benefitted greatly from cardio intensive workouts, and it has probably saved his life. Anyone using PED's has to factor in their sport, age, intensity, diet and health; at some point you can't deadlift 1k pounds anymore and you have to adapt to your body breaking down. If you're consuming more than 6k calories a day to be strong in your 50's for over 30 years you might be killing yourself slowly. Most runners consume less calories and can balance themselves throughout multiple athletic endeavors, where lifting heavy and looking like a Mr. Olympian demands too much on the body over time. Cardio is the answer to problems associated with lifting heavy for long periods.
I would love to see Mike O Hearn and Greg Doucette collab on this topic of cardio.
I will say this not doing cardio makes me Lazy.
I at least need three days of cardio a week.
If I lift weights and don’t do cardio after a week or so I will start to feel depressed and Lazy.
Cardio is important as far as I am concerned.
Take what you will from that.
It also helps with fat loss and recovery.
Very true. Was surprised recently to realise am getting quite aerobically fit again. Doing 30/40 mins of cardio after each session just for the endorphins, not even thinking of health. The movement definitely gets rid of that lazy, stagnant feeling. Plus, cardio helps weight training by strengthening core, knees etc - all the smaller stabilising muscles that can be missed in weight training.
Don't argue with Tren o hearn, he knows his stuff. 🤣
God i hate that guy! Couldn't make it through half the video which is a shame bcause i always like listening to what Stan has to say
@@elijahtt4853ay I ask why you “hate” him.. just curious cause that’s a strong word.
Awesome ! I’ve always agreed on that and the so called “expert cardio coaches”used to make fun of it Thanks for enlightening us💪✨
Is there going to be a nutrition talk with Stan?
NOT if Mike is interviewing him...he talks most of the time.
I squat once a week. My legs just don’t like doing cardio between these workouts.
Just tren hard, eat clen, anavar give up.
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Using acronyms people don’t know is tight
In the middle of the 21st century, 2022, someone is talking about aerobic physical exercise and associating it with cardio, something that doesn't exist, only in America. High-intensity resistance exercise is the best and only way to work on cardiovascular fitness. Running 1 hour a day does nothing for cardiovascular health, nothing!
Some jobs force you to do cardio, like a mail man that walks. Does the study take that into account when it suggest you don't need cardio. Officially they didn't do cardio but they really do.
When you are in gear you can train aerobically like a madman with weight training and not loose an inch . When your off gear do excessive aerobics and you will be beyond the point of looking gaunt. Excessive aerobics make you look 15 years older look at the runners
Nope
@@darkoale3299 nope ok your correct. Guess the young women getting face fillers from prominent plastic surgeons doctors who excessive aerobics sunk in their face is a myth. And men as well. .
right on love the show
The only cardio I do is walk uphill on treadmill, hike outdoors, or stair master. 1-3x a week max. If you’re lifting hard and heavy and going to sauna after then you will have cardiovascular endurance.
no
@@jimmyjam5453 yes
Awesome. 🏆☀️ LEGENDARY 🥇, you two🌟💪🌟💪💥‼️
working in a factory, will take care of any need for cardio lol. ...
On the weekends, I'll take small walks, just to assimilate meal and supplements. ...we use to play basketball, softball, driving ranges, kill the guy w the ball lol, (actually til 22), was my fave, on that one lol....! Highschool was so much fun! 💪✌️
Ive been walking for 3 months straight at a brisk pace for 10k+ steps.
First try got 12:00 2 mile run.
Technically 12:05… whatever
Yup ignore your heart, brilliant advice from walking pharmacies.
WEIGHT LIFTING WORKS THE HEART ALSO OK BOZO..SO DOES SAUNA..JUST DONT BE SEDENTARY
I guess my question is if all the cardio people can die young from the wear and tear on joints, bones/body etc. why do so many weightlifters/bodybuilders die young as well then?
Because they are abusing steroids dude....
Before sleep warm water is best to be in . Cold in thé morning
I love it!!more interview more knowledge,
Thanks
.. Stan is a very sharp, educated, knowledgeable guy .. I hope that this video helps explode the myths and dogma pertaining to cardio that is still embraced and propagated by many of the so called 'experts'
Stan is a f.. N NUMBNUT 😂 😂 😂 😂
Stan hardly looks the picture of health.
Cardio is good if you want to feel good with the increase blood flow and it increases your blood volume
I run 10k’s & lift daily. I’ve seen plenty of muscular guys at races. A lot of us to both.