Allow me roughly summarize the story on the Chinese website: Psyche is a disputed territory between the Ceres Fleet and the Vesta Fleet. The two sides have been engaging in Cold War-like confrontations here, such as using radars to lock on each other and shooting down enemy satellites, but there has never been a direct attack on enemy ships. Vesta sent the laser frigate JR and the railgun patrol ship YM to carry out this daily confrontation, but what they did not know was that Ceres had secretly disguised its missile destroyer as an observation ship and put it into action. Ceres 'shooting down of the Vesta satellite did not alarm JR. When they discovered that Ceres had dropped heavy anti-ship missiles in the blind zone, it was too late, and this missile exceeded the Vesta fleet's interception capabilities. Ceres conducted an undeclared war operation similar to the Attack on Pearl Harbor, so they did not abide by the convention.
@Notbigbird Yes, although the Vesta fleet was too careless during the lack of satellite reconnaissance, they finally made the right decision to put maximum reactor power in laser to destroy decoys. Unfortunately, they did not have enough missiles to complete the interception. This also explains why there is a raid failed in the Ceres's radio, where there may be a more experienced Vesta captain.
I love the title "SAVAGES". Theres something very evocative about titling a series about gritty realistic space combat with a word that suggests low-tech/"uncivilized" aggression.
I think what it is meant to evoke is that despite all the high tech toys, the humans here are still "savages" with how people behave towards each other. Brutal and violent behind the veneer of advanced civilization.
Please consider color coding the subtitles for the remake! Even if it’s just by which side / force / group, and not per individual person speaking. Love your work!
0:49 it is interesting that the PDS gatling gun has stopped firing before the target was destroyed. Which is smart: If it were to continuously keep firing at a single target, it would've wasted a lot of bullets, because it takes considerable time for relatively slow chemically propelled bullets we see to cross km of distance. In a realistic scenario such as this, when attacked by several missiles simultaneously, the weapon should be firing short bursts at several of them in sequence. Once it becomes clear that the burst against the first target has failed to disable it, it would come back and fire again. Clever.
The problem is thermal buildup, not ammunition. Real ciws fire in 100 round intervals too for the same reason. Heat dissipation is much less efficient in space however so it's much more of a problem in this setting
Very cool work! Since I know some Chinese I feel obliged to give some input on the English translation. Below are how I would translate some of the lines. I am focusing on parts where the English subtitles are especially inaccurate. 0:04 报告，我们无法连接上JR的武器控制系统，目前JR的自动安全控制系统正在接管发动机并进行变轨 Captain, we are unable to connect JR's weapon control system. Currently JR's automatic safety control system is assuming control of the engine and maneuvering. (I think 安全控制系统 = safety control system, but I'm not sure) 0:09 报告，反应堆冷却回路泄漏，全舰进入低功率模式 Captain, the reactor cooling loop is leaking; the whole ship has entered low-power mode 0:12 报告，一号、二号激光器受损，主炮二号炮塔报废 Captain, lasers one and two are damaged, main gun turret 2 is a total loss (I am guessing 报废 = "total loss" but maybe there is a better word) 0:29 敌袭扰弹已重新建立跟踪，拦截弹已全部投送 Enemy missiles have re-established lock. We have launched all interceptors. (EDIT: I previously wrote "Enemy harassing missiles" but I've been told it probably just means offensive missile as opposed to defensive missile) 1:03 舰上设备存在再次运作可能，建议再次打击 The equipment onboard has the potential to recover. I suggest further strikes. 1:11 目标残骸确认，第三批次3M11导弹两枚已投放 Identified target wreckage. Of the third batch of 3M11 missiles, two have been launched 1:39 不，不会再有公约了 No, [after this] there will not be any more conventions 1:51 封锁轨道，通报全星，所有船只停止活动，并回到星表及轨道港口等待我方接管 Orbital blockade. Broadcast to entire system: All vessels must immediately cease activities and return to surface or orbital ports and wait for our side to assume control. (I don't have enough military experience to write this translation properly.) 1:58 违反者视为威胁目标，一律击沉 Violators will be treated as hostile targets and destroyed without exception 2:18 小行星阿塔卡马和小行星乌鲁鲁等地待命的灶神星舰艇已被我方击沉 We have destroyed the Vestan warships on standby at asteroids Atacama, Uluru, and other places. 2:42 报告，第三批次导弹已命中敌乘员舱，敌舰基本丧失战斗能力，是否继续攻击 Report: The third batch of missiles has struck the enemy's crew capsule. The enemy ship has mostly lost combat capability. Should we continue attacking? 3:37 确实出事了，不过我们已经封锁了消息，初步报告内容已经转发给您 There has indeed been a mishap. But we have sealed the news [from getting out]. I have already forwarded you a preliminary report. (mishap might be the wrong word - I might be misunderstanding the plot of this whole video lol. in which case maybe "incident" is a better word.) 3:50 哦对，还有这个，灶神星本部向我们传递了那边的新情况 Oh right, there's also this: an update from Vesta command on their new situation 3:54 了解，我回地球一趟 Understood. I will go visit Earth again.
>No, [after this] there will not be any more conventions I feel like a more loose translation is needed. "No conventions will be honored" conveys in clearer english terms what I think is being referred to.
@@jackr2287 I sorta see what you mean there - maybe I was translating the Chinese too literally and "convention does not exist" sounds weird in English. Not sure about the tone. I also thought about how I would say it colloquially - "Conventions will not be a thing anymore" - but that's also not the right tone... EDIT: also - I would be a bit worried that "No conventions will be honored" will be too specific a meaning unless we know more about the story, because maybe the intention is to say that in the future, both a) conventions will not be honored and b) no new conventions will be established. I dunno.
this one was probably the hardest to keep track of, but the animation , return to the bigger picture, it's all really impressive. Some others have pointed out the difficulty with tracking BVR combat, but I honestly think you've done a great job. Some more shots giving viewers updates on the overall landscape might help a bit (maybe shots of each side's software readout, showing what they've detected and leaving eagle-eyed viewers to spot what's missing?), but the creativity that's gone into the setting has gotten me thinking a lot. Counter-satellite warfare, harassment of missile salvos at long ranges to further deplete them for inner layers of missile defense. Very well done, very well done indeed! I especially adore and am obsessed with the time given to how the radar, optical and IR systems fought to keep track of incoming missiles, that was layers of real-life I've never even thought about!
What I think happened here: JR was dead in the waters, but somehow it can still move on its own under some sort of automation. While the Flagship (that’s what the other ship besides JR was called) was licking its wounds, the Ceres space force that they had just engaged (from earlier) with are intercepting some munitions, probably from the damaged Vesta Space force. They detected that JR is still functioning, so the Ceres laser frigate ( 1:05 ) fired 2 missile to finish them off. That strike broke the Vesta Flagship in two ( 1:41 ). Some crew members are talking about surrendering, under the Lagrange point convention, but… So Vesta is defeated, the news of which has reached the area of Mars ( 3:26 ). Hope this explanation helps here! Note: I think it’s here we’ve learned the names of both parties that’s in the Battle of Psyche
The missiles came from the start of part 2 when Youssef Moussa (flagship) fired their railguns, they said 5 interceptors are also launched and switched to anti ship mode Also I think that's more like a Ceres missile barge with how many missiles they launched, which suggested killing off JR but was told to monitor it instead and shot 2 missiles for YM which tore that hole in the crew module
And this is very close to how real space combat might work. In space frigates, cruisers and destroyers will become the primary combat method as fighters as we know them would be too impractical, also the distances at which they would fight would be ridiculous by todays standards. Very well done.
Even today naval battles are fought over large distances. Pretty much all modern warships have over-the-horizon radar and guns and missiles that can hit enemy ships tens of kilometers away. The limiting factors are air resistance slowing down the projectile, gravity pulling it down, and the horizon obscuring the enemy. In space, where there's neither a horizon nor air, nor gravity (or at least low gravity), the combat range is obviously extremely large. Yet soft sci fi always depicts space battles from a distance of like a few hundred meters *at most,* which is less than WW1 warships were capable of. That's foot soldier range.
@@mifiwi3438 And even the fighter launched from carrier also attack vessel at distance at hundredth of km away with modern Anti-ship missile. So the scope of modern naval combat is in the range of thousandth of km.
A fighter could be incredibly useful, but the pilot would need enough supplies to last week's or months while it achieved an advantageous orbit in order to launch missiles from wide angles and keep the coordinates of the main fleet hidden. I think there is a purpose for fighters, but they would probably be seen as more of a small ship capable of housing 2 or 3 pilots for weeks on end.
@iamsethhasting8911 at that point it's not really a fighter, but a gun boat or a very small Corvette. The point of fighters is to be quick, agile and deliver a devastating punch, while being as small as possible
This is really great, the story, the graphics, combat and narration beautifully mixed. I am really liking this series and hope to see the bigger gunslingers in action sometime later!
I was watching the first two episodes with a friend and we had a fair bit of criticism. While this is technically quite impressive we really struggled to keep track of what was going on. In filmmaking there are certain rules when it comes to putting together an action sequence. It is of supreme importance to establish what the sides are, the stakes are and the geometry of the fight, lest everything decend into a confusing mess the viewer doesn't really care about. This sequence doesn't do a very good job of doing any of those things. In space where everything is tremendously far apart the latter is especially hard. You constantly have to remind the viewer of where the camera is and what it's looking at, especially if there are no repeating elements inbetween shots. Possible solutions are to do a lot less cutting back and forth between different perspectives. It can sometimes be more coherent to view things in a not exactly chronological order. Having a map display or some kind of overview perspective can help establish the geometry and give the viewer situational awareness. The english translation also ... needs work. It's not very good.
speak for yourself on the not understanding part, or better yet make your own stuff. it would be an unimaginably drab world if every time asArsenic didn't understand something, artists had to drop everything and go Dora the explorer and hold themselves to "certain rules" (read: handholding). if it isnt for you, it isnt for you. move on and leave your prescriptions for your own projects. go watch some marvel, it might be more your style
@@YurNikolaev I agree too but maybe it's not a severe issue. Counter firing like Expanse is the simplest and most logical method but you'll still need to compensate for gyro effect for rotating the turret that has rotating barrel & reaction forces of turning turret itself etc so you'd still need ship's rcs to counter that. So if we'd still need to compensate for it anyway we could just also compensate reaction force from firing projectile to rcs too and reduce turret cost. In CoaDE turrets iirc were originally implemented as ball turret embedded in armor and combat was meant to be done in broadside. then later it got option to extrude it outside ship like actual turret which just use same ball turret code - so naturally it couldn't implement counter firing turrets and instead fires up main engine to counter it (as game also doesn't have proper RCS either.) Since so many hard sf nowdays are sonewhat inspired by CoaDE's style maybe that's why it's common to see a turret that doesn't counter fire and large ships that consistently burn fuel during combat.
I'm loving this. I can't be certain of the translation since I don't know the language, but there are a few minor spelling/translation issues at 0:08 instead of "colding-loop" you want "cooling-loop" and possibly add additional info to the low power statement, like "low power only" or something. 0:14, instead of "cap, we lost lasers 1 to 2 th, and gun 2th", you want "Cap, we lost lasers 1, 2, and the second gun" or for that last part, "and gun 2" or "the 2nd gun" 0:16, you probably want "DC, try to keep power online" and "close the broken pipes with robots if possible" 1:00 isn't clear what it means, "temp" can either be temporary, or temperature, placement matters here, and I'm not sure which it is, but if it's temperature, you probably want slightly different structure, not sure how I would fix that though, and if it's temporary, you'll want to write out the whole thing as "temporarily" 1:03 is unclear. "re-functioning" isn't a word, but can be assumed to mean something begins function again. I'm assuming the intent was malfunction, but if it's on the other side, and they're saying that there's a risk of them being able to fix things, it's just very very awkward. If that's a direct translation, I guess I wouldn't re-write it, but you might want to do "onboard equipment repair" or something. 1:41 I'm guessing there's a little mis-translation, although it comes through ok- "no, there won't be any conventions" is future tense, and is interpreted as (we) won't be holding any more conventions in the future. if it's a statement that the conventions don't matter. 2:15, loose | before attack 2:17, "all standing-by vessels" is wrong tense, you honestly probably want "garrisoned," standby doesn't entirely work here, although you could do "vessels on standby" 2:26 misspelling, "neutralized" (I can't spell this either, but use spellcheck) Vesta front forces is not entirely clear on meaning. forward forces? main forces? minor issue. 2:42 "disabled", mostly is also fairly informal, you wouldn't use it in this situation, partially would be more likely. "follow ups?" while it gets the message across is overtly truncated, try "should we follow up?" 3:40 you probably want pronouns in there, "it's pretty bad" "but we've sure info blocked" is pretty nonsensical. I'm not 100% where this is going, "but we've made sure that information was blocked" would be clearer if a little awkward, " but we are pretty sure that info was blocked" and so on. I can't say more when I'm not sure what it means- and for the last part, "the first report was already sent to you" since this isn't a combat situation, these are way too truncated. 3:51, missing the, "here's the message" 3:53. got. is improper usage, really unclear, if it's an affirmative, there are a lot of words you could use, or statements, second half is also unclear thanks to missing pronouns, "(I) have my way to earth" or "(we) have my way to earth" or even "(they) have my way to earth" if this is a request to get ready, you might do " prepare my way to earth" or "get ready a way to earth" I'll put the disclaimer that I'm no expert, and this is all just suggestions. I'm really looking forward to the next episode
All are pretty good. 1:03 I believe is spoken by the attacking force, and so their concern is JR may be coming back online, and renew offensive activities. Figuring out who is who is this scenario is a bit difficult sometimes, as all I have to go off of is intonation and sometimes color pallettes.
@@jackr2287 definitely. Aside from the couple of errors that stood out to me, I actually didn't even notice most of it before I went back through to double check what I wrote.
Valiant effort for not knowing Chinese! In 1:00 it seems to be "temperature" in this case. In 1:03 they are saying that the equipment has the potential to start functioning again (presumably after the damage from the attack gets repaired). I agree with your guess for 1:41 - basically that after such an attack and violation of norms, conventions will not matter anymore in the future. Your comment has motivated me to transcribe and re-translate some of the lines from the Chinese - I made a separate comment.
re-functioning could probably be left in, as its meaning is intuitive and it could be a neologism that adds depth to the setting “vesta front forces” is fine, a “front” is a military term for a localized operational deployment of forces within a theater of combat. so the “vesta front” would refer to the deployment area around vesta, and the “forces” there refer to the deployed assets “have my way to earth” is an unused construction, “have + my way” are not word friends. “get ready a way” is also not used. “arrange for travel to earth” would probably better; however I don’t think enough information is available as to the motivation and intentions of this character to provide a correct translation. “i have a way to” is actually closest to this construction, and that would imply that an opposition or impediment to earth travel has been cleared. a conclusion could be drawn that intention of travel to earth would be opposed in some way.
Damn, not just Sari and JR but the entire Vesta Fleet. I really thought Youssef Moussa would get away at least, but it seems in space at such vast distances and all alone, they didn’t stand a chance. Savages really is an amazing work of art. Looking forward to the episode 1 and 2 remakes.
Vesta fleet are literally made for facing multiple unprotected targets (according to the author), imagine fighting against us fleet with patrol vessels
@@YurNikolaev Lanchester's laws set this out in the days of gun armed battleship combat, the advantage in ranged combat compounds very very quickly. Salvo model can also be a factor, especially when deception about one side's capabilities are at play.
@@delta8402Vesta fleet is actually a counter to the 3M11 used by Ceres, the laser can burn away balloon decoy very easily. Aggressor almost emptied their low end missiles and only two 3M11 survived past their defence. All while VSF consists of mostly cadets and they made a mistake at final leg by not increasing spot size. If JR didn't make mistake, increase spot size and survived by blinding the missile, Vesta will immediately gain upperhand. Ceres force will become sitting ducks. Since they only have 3M11 left, JR can burn all decoys easily then intercept 3M11 with ease.
What an incredible series. I love the way the ships and technology are put on full display with reverence for their capability. But we only get partial glimpses of the savages inside them; unsure, scared, distrusting, competent, dedicated. So much careful detail put into just a few minutes
Space horror without monsters. Love it! If you want to really make this blow up, consider working together with someone to make an english spoken version? Maybe you can already do a lot with AI voices, since all the voice acting is very subdued anyway. 10/10!
Missing Casaba Howitzers, Nuclear Explosively Formed Penetrators and Nuclear Shaped Charges. Of that could be the eacalation stage of space warfare. Nuclear dimensions.
What a nice little lie bordcast there! Leaving us with a hint the counterattack is underway! I doubt the plumes were actual survivor escape pods, and if they were, they were likely saboteurs! Still, amazing world building! I cannot wait to see the remake of Pt 1&2, given the lessons learned so far. I'm also excited for the next story! What aspect will we see? Mega structure defense? A fleet assault? The arrival of a fleet? More lore? More lore? Perhaps more lore as well? Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be EPIC!
Given that our point of view was from a pressure suited Vesta sailor looking through his cracked hull at open space, i suspect those drive plumes were the follow up missile strikes sent to finish the job.
@@JinKee Not possible as we have audio confirmation that the third wave had hit JR's Crew capsule just before the message was sent. We can only assume that the crew capsule was empty when the 3rd strike hit, as why else would we be getting a view of the space suit within the JR ship? The other key thing is earlier on, there was mention of the Lagrange point convention, and immediately followed by "there will be no convention!", leading everyone to believe that surrender was not an option. The idea of using that convention to your advantage, via sending remote explosives in escape pods, and just mocking a life form signal, seems more then plausible. Also there's one other thing I'm questioning, What was being launched when we got the view of JR's only working gun I can assume, and something was being electromagnetically launched towards Psyche, after the first round of Vesta missiles had been intercepted, In what really was an amazing scene! I still strongly believe that those plumes were a follow up response, and very likely are pods filled to the brim with explosives, that have a mock life signal in them to throw Ceres off. I could be wrong and they could actually be survivors, and they will still be shot out of the sky when they get to close.
@@SkywishesMedia You would've been right if Ceres had 100% accurate sensors. Author has confirmed, on Bilibili, those 3 plumes are indeed missiles. This a typical issue with space combat, they are imaging from thousands of miiles, they thought they scored a direct hit on crew cabin and disabled Youssef Moussa. At 1:41, you can see the missile struck slightly forward of crew cabin, the impact torn open the cabin hull but it remained mostly intact; the hole mislead Ceres Space Force into believing they scored a direct hit on crew cabin. Shown on the monitor at 2:42, it is extremely blurry and worse than 144P on UA-cam. But the surrender broadcast indicates their analysis was wrong, their missile missed the crew cabin, thus they launched 3 more to kill them. VSF were also crewed with cadets who aren't fully prepared for this. Inexperienced cadets gave themselves away despite senior officials told them enemies won't respect Lagrange Point Convention. The correct action would've been power down rocket engine, reactor, primary systems, raise internal temperature (simulate reactor meltdown or loss of radiators) vent some hot coolants and play dead. It will take several days for adversay to realize they are still alive, but by then they could have restored partial capability and ready to defend themselves. There is a reason why sci fi series like Star Trek uses "venting plasma" or something to fool enemy, because at thousands of miles, details are easily lost.
@ i am thinking from the dialogue that all of Ceres’ combat objectives were achieved and the Vesta Space Fleet was overconfident going in and totally destroyed at the end.
Is there a digest/summary somewhere that outlines what is happening? I love the realism and action, but I can barely tell what is going on except that there are two factions fighting in the middle of the solar system.
I heard there is a video for that coming, and author is exploring options to make this understandable. The problem is, with realistic scale, or even half of the realistic scale, many cinematography techniques that works on Earth stopped working at extremely vast distance. For example, at 10,000km, enemy vessel is just a dot that occupies less than 1% of a pixel, a realistic portrait of enemy vessel will simply be.... pure black screen... Cinematography in last 100 years never had this problem, and author is among the first, if not the first, trying to solve this. Currently he used different lightning scheme and clothing style to indicate factions and characters, apparently that didn't work well.
This is all I know and potentially wrong, so take this with a grain of salt The year is 2400-ish, humanity has colonized the solar system, with Vesta and Ceres being 2 indepedent nations of the Asteroid Belts. They both want to claim Psyche as their own, and thus they fight each other but never escalate it to a full blown war. This changed when Ceres decided to do it, sending 2 full fledge warships (01 and 02 as they are called) disguided as patrol ships to set up a hostile takeover, Vesta sent a laser frigate and a multipurpose patrol ship (Joan Roni and Youssef Moussa respectively) in respond, leading to episode 3 part 1. Part 1: -Vestan ships deploy recon satellites to track Ceres' force. The data they gathered said that the enemy has no anti ship capability -Ceres' ships are told to begin the attack, using hidden attack satellites to hit Vestan recon sats -Joan Roni were told to retalliate, using their main laser on the enemy -Ceres' ships move to hide behind the shadow of Psyche while jamming Joan Roni. Using this as a distraction to secretly activate their hidden recon sats before quickly move to the shadow -Joan Roni crew considered deploying flyby recon sat to see what Ceres' fleet is doing, but YM said they can do that later. This is until they see the aggressive burn, and launched one immediately -in the shadow of Psyche, 01 discard it's fake hull plating, showing that it in fact has anti ship missile bay and launch a salvo of 8 missiles on high orbit climb. Meanwhile, 02 detected Vestan flyby recon satellite (thanks to the aforementioned hidden recon sat) and shot an interceptor missile into it's path -a Vestan radar system on Psyche's surface detected 01's salvo and send the data to YM, leading to Vesta fleet entering combat mode Part 2: -01 continue firing a lot of missiles, this time going straight for Vesta fleet instead of going high orbit attack -YM fire 5 inteceptor missiles reprogramed into anti ship and railguns spray into Ceres fleet general direction. Vesta fleet started gathering data, which said the missile wave launched straight for them doesn't have the signature of the 8 missiles launched in part 1, and they charted it as missing due to the missiles losing their lock on. YM offer to take over detection and tracking while Roni focus entirely on powering their laser -Vesta fleet launch a salvo of interceptors and use laser to shoot down the large wave of missiles in front of them. Suddenly, several missiles appear on a high inclination orbit going for them (these are the "missed" missiles that have slowly drifted toward them using active cooling to hide it's signature), which deploy a wall of decoys that confuse Vesta fleet -their laser and interceptors take out most of the straight missiles, so Roni asked YM to transfer 3 (weaker) laser systems to shoot down the remaining straight missiles, while Roni's main laser is overloaded and aim at the high orbit missiles to take out the decoy and narrow down the missiles. Interceptors were launched afterwards to take out the high orbit missiles, but it's too late and only 1 managed to hit, this led to Roni crew panicking and started maneuvering while trying to destroy the missiles' sensors instead, but it was also too late -Roni took a big fat high orbit missile to the crew module, killing everyone onboard and temporarely cut the ship's engines offline. Meanwhile, YM was hit by one of the straight missile, which use thermal tracking so it went for their radiator instead, leaving YM alive Part 3: -YM crew confirmed that Roni is on auto mode now, while they try to access their damage (most of their weapons destroyed and their radiators screwed) and repair it if possible -YM attack missiles now close in on Ceres, but was easily intercepted by 02. Whatever semblances of a missile still left were then picked clean by CIWS, ensuring their safety. -02 found Roni's automated movement and got ordered to track it incase the ship started shooting again, while 01 is ordered to launch 2 missiles at the damaged YM -one of YM's crew contemplates surrendering, hoping that somesort of war rule established by Earth (given the name lagrange) could allow them to live another day. Their captain knows it won't help them -YM got slapped by the missiles launched previously -Ceres fleet now deploy their blockade system, while broadcasting to all vessels in the belt to surrender or die. Meanwhile, Ceres' forces began attacked Vestan installations across the belts -with Psyche being completely their, Ceres began moving one of their fleet there to claim it. One of Ceres' ship check on YM again, asking if another wave of missile should be launched -YM's crew desperately surrender and ask to be rescued. Ceres chose to kill them -on Phobos station, talk about the incident of Vesta-Mars transport attack from episode 1 is mentioned, which said the situation is really bad but it was thankfully contained. Then the new report about Ceres' takeover of Psyche sent by Vesta reached the command guy, who requested to be brought back to Earth.
@@8749236 Yes, the "Star Trek" problem of showing space ships capable light-speed, yet they always seem to a half-mile away from each other on screen. BattleStar Galactica (new) tried to open the visual distances a bit, but even that was a partial solution. My problem, however, is just the plot. I like knowing the factions and backstory. While I can make some guesses, it's just guesses, and there isn't any clear exposition remarks between characters to make things clear the way, say, Firefly did in its pilot episode.
@@8749236 It doesnt work at all. Everyone is wearing white space suits, and are in white ships. He needs to give them colors. As for camerawork, he should learn from anime. Split screen ships that are too far apart to be in the same shot.
there are more explanations on bilbili in chinese but I'd guess you don't understand chinese so I will try explain a bit here for you: The setting is in 24th century, human technology level is what you can infer here in the video. Earth is a united faction now and people colonized mars and asteroids inside the asteroid belt. These inner colonies are relatively independent but still leave under the shadow of Earth due to lack of resources and low population(so their military power is small compare to earth and their survival relies heavily on the trade with earth). People also colonized satellites like Titan but not listening to Earth anymore because they are too far from earth and Titan is much larger and resourceful compare to inner colonies. Ceres and Vesta are two inner colonies with military power and not happy with each other. They send fleet to patrol Psyche and keep an eye on each other. Ceres fleet launched a suprise attack on Vesta fleet. Ceres fleet ship are the dark ones with red laser and Vesta ships are the white ones with green laser and got destroyed.
there are more explanations on bilbili in chinese but I'd guess you don't understand chinese so I will try explain a bit here for you: The setting is in 24th century, human technology level is what you can infer here in the video. Earth is a united faction now and people colonized mars and asteroids inside the asteroid belt. These inner colonies are relatively independent but still leave under the shadow of Earth due to lack of resources and low population(so their military power is small compare to earth and their survival relies heavily on the trade with earth). People also colonized satellites like Titan but not listening to Earth anymore because they are too far from earth and Titan is much larger and resourceful compare to inner colonies. Ceres and Vesta are two inner colonies with military power and not happy with each other. They send fleet to patrol Psyche and keep an eye on each other. Ceres fleet launched a suprise attack on Vesta fleet. Ceres fleet ship are the dark ones with red laser and Vesta ships are the white ones with green laser and got destroyed.
This is amazing. Do you think there's a possibility of you working with L5Resident and the guys at Lunar War? I think a collab between you both would make some amazing works.
The viewing order is 1-3-2? I am confuse isn't 3 depicting the Vesta ships already hit by the missile volley we saw in 2? Btw I have other topics where I am also confuse. We see the Vesta fleet attacking Psyche12 but who is defending? In Space Island is talked about the separatist move of Ceres and that they seem to have cause the incident with the cycler in an attempt to change the geopolitical situation, Vesta is named but briefly and just is mention that is under a self-sustained party(I guess is about Vesta independence and self reliance without outside intervention). How is it that now we see Vesta making a move over Psyche12? and again who are the defending fleet? are they from Earth?
The order is 1-2-3. Vesta fleet has green-ish interior lighting, Ceres Space Force that is performing surprised attack has red interior lighting and audio has more static and less quality. Vesta and Ceres has terrirtory dispute over Psyche, Ceres disguised their missile carrier as survey ship and launched surprise attack during usual harassment (destroying cute sats) and Vesta fleet crews has many cadets and were unprepared.
Yep, other comments suggesting fixes for the translation said that 1:39 line would be translated to something like "There will be no conventions after this battle"
This is all I know and potentially wrong, so take this with a grain of salt The year is 2400-ish, humanity has colonized the solar system, with Vesta and Ceres being 2 indepedent nations of the Asteroid Belts. They both want to claim Psyche as their own, and thus they fight each other but never escalate it to a full blown war. This changed when Ceres decided to do it, sending 2 full fledge warships (01 and 02 as they are called) disguided as patrol ships to set up a hostile takeover, Vesta sent a laser frigate and a multipurpose patrol ship (Joan Roni and Youssef Moussa respectively) in respond, leading to episode 3 part 1. Part 1: -Vestan ships deploy recon satellites to track Ceres' force. The data they gathered said that the enemy has no anti ship capability -Ceres' ships are told to begin the attack, using hidden attack satellites to hit Vestan recon sats -Joan Roni were told to retalliate, using their main laser on the enemy -Ceres' ships move to hide behind the shadow of Psyche while jamming Joan Roni. Using this as a distraction to secretly activate their hidden recon sats before quickly move to the shadow -Joan Roni crew considered deploying flyby recon sat to see what Ceres' fleet is doing, but YM said they can do that later. This is until they see the aggressive burn, and launched one immediately -in the shadow of Psyche, 01 discard it's fake hull plating, showing that it in fact has anti ship missile bay and launch a salvo of 8 missiles on high orbit climb. Meanwhile, 02 detected Vestan flyby recon satellite (thanks to the aforementioned hidden recon sat) and shot an interceptor missile into it's path -a Vestan radar system on Psyche's surface detected 01's salvo and send the data to YM, leading to Vesta fleet entering combat mode Part 2: -01 continue firing a lot of missiles, this time going straight for Vesta fleet instead of going high orbit attack -YM fire 5 inteceptor missiles reprogramed into anti ship and railguns spray into Ceres fleet general direction. Vesta fleet started gathering data, which said the missile wave launched straight for them doesn't have the signature of the 8 missiles launched in part 1, and they charted it as missing due to the missiles losing their lock on. YM offer to take over detection and tracking while Roni focus entirely on powering their laser -Vesta fleet launch a salvo of interceptors and use laser to shoot down the large wave of missiles in front of them. Suddenly, several missiles appear on a high inclination orbit going for them (these are the "missed" missiles that have slowly drifted toward them using active cooling to hide it's signature), which deploy a wall of decoys that confuse Vesta fleet -their laser and interceptors take out most of the straight missiles, so Roni asked YM to transfer 3 (weaker) laser systems to shoot down the remaining straight missiles, while Roni's main laser is overloaded and aim at the high orbit missiles to take out the decoy and narrow down the missiles. Interceptors were launched afterwards to take out the high orbit missiles, but it's too late and only 1 managed to hit, this led to Roni crew panicking and started maneuvering while trying to destroy the missiles' sensors instead, but it was also too late -Roni took a big fat high orbit missile to the crew module, killing everyone onboard and temporarely cut the ship's engines offline. Meanwhile, YM was hit by one of the straight missile, which use thermal tracking so it went for their radiator instead, leaving YM alive Part 3: -YM crew confirmed that Roni is on auto mode now, while they try to access their damage (most of their weapons destroyed and their radiators screwed) and repair it if possible -YM attack missiles now close in on Ceres, but was easily intercepted by 02. Whatever semblances of a missile still left were then picked clean by CIWS, ensuring their safety. -02 found Roni's automated movement and got ordered to track it incase the ship started shooting again, while 01 is ordered to launch 2 missiles at the damaged YM -one of YM's crew contemplates surrendering, hoping that somesort of war rule established by Earth (given the name lagrange) could allow them to live another day. Their captain knows it won't help them -YM got slapped by the missiles launched previously -Ceres fleet now deploy their blockade system, while broadcasting to all vessels in the belt to surrender or die. Meanwhile, Ceres' forces began attacked Vestan installations across the belts -with Psyche being completely their, Ceres began moving one of their fleet there to claim it. One of Ceres' ship check on YM again, asking if another wave of missile should be launched -YM's crew desperately surrender and ask to be rescued. Ceres chose to kill them -on Phobos station, talk about the incident of Vesta-Mars transport attack from episode 1 is mentioned, which said the situation is really bad but it was thankfully contained. Then the new report about Ceres' takeover of Psyche sent by Vesta reached the command guy, who requested to be brought back to Earth.
@@henrycooper3431almost correct. The only issue is 3M11 is specifically designed anti ship torpedo, not those cheaper missiles in the second batch. They accelerate when getting close to the target and perform random maneuvers after about 100 miles from the target, that’s why they’re so lethal, not to mention their self-rotate ability and decoy
Allow me roughly summarize the story on the Chinese website: Psyche is a disputed territory between the Ceres Fleet and the Vesta Fleet. The two sides have been engaging in Cold War-like confrontations here, such as using radars to lock on each other and shooting down enemy satellites, but there has never been a direct attack on enemy ships. Vesta sent the laser frigate JR and the railgun patrol ship YM to carry out this daily confrontation, but what they did not know was that Ceres had secretly disguised its missile destroyer as an observation ship and put it into action. Ceres 'shooting down of the Vesta satellite did not alarm JR. When they discovered that Ceres had dropped heavy anti-ship missiles in the blind zone, it was too late, and this missile exceeded the Vesta fleet's interception capabilities. Ceres conducted an undeclared war operation similar to the Attack on Pearl Harbor, so they did not abide by the convention.
Although to be fair, they did intercept 6 out of the 8 of the very high speed missiles before they both got hit.
@Notbigbird Yes, although the Vesta fleet was too careless during the lack of satellite reconnaissance, they finally made the right decision to put maximum reactor power in laser to destroy decoys. Unfortunately, they did not have enough missiles to complete the interception. This also explains why there is a raid failed in the Ceres's radio, where there may be a more experienced Vesta captain.
Wait, there’s a website (this entire time)?
@@xinguan2681it's most likely Bilibili which is kinda like Chinese youtube
@@xinguan2681Author also posts info on ships that appeared or to appear in the future on Bilibili.
I love the title "SAVAGES". Theres something very evocative about titling a series about gritty realistic space combat with a word that suggests low-tech/"uncivilized" aggression.
I think what it is meant to evoke is that despite all the high tech toys, the humans here are still "savages" with how people behave towards each other. Brutal and violent behind the veneer of advanced civilization.
That's the point, they're still just cavemen with fire and stone arrowheads.
Both low tech and uncivilized, but it’s the only true end
Please consider color coding the subtitles for the remake! Even if it’s just by which side / force / group, and not per individual person speaking.
Love your work!
Great suggestion!
The Lagrange-Point Suggestion I see. Great work!
"Geneva Convention? More like Geneva Suggestion" reference I see lol
0:49 it is interesting that the PDS gatling gun has stopped firing before the target was destroyed. Which is smart: If it were to continuously keep firing at a single target, it would've wasted a lot of bullets, because it takes considerable time for relatively slow chemically propelled bullets we see to cross km of distance.
In a realistic scenario such as this, when attacked by several missiles simultaneously, the weapon should be firing short bursts at several of them in sequence. Once it becomes clear that the burst against the first target has failed to disable it, it would come back and fire again. Clever.
I think real-world CIWS systems are already capable of this.
Not only ammo waste. There is much worse heat dispersion in outer space. You can only radiate out the heat or rely on inner cooling systems.
The problem is thermal buildup, not ammunition. Real ciws fire in 100 round intervals too for the same reason. Heat dissipation is much less efficient in space however so it's much more of a problem in this setting
you think is a chemical propelled weapon and not magnetic? a gauss rotatory canon will pretty much look like a conventional weapon
@@egillskallagrimson5879 I think there is no need for electromagnetic gun to rotate.
Very cool work! Since I know some Chinese I feel obliged to give some input on the English translation. Below are how I would translate some of the lines. I am focusing on parts where the English subtitles are especially inaccurate.
0:04 报告，我们无法连接上JR的武器控制系统，目前JR的自动安全控制系统正在接管发动机并进行变轨
Captain, we are unable to connect JR's weapon control system. Currently JR's automatic safety control system is assuming control of the engine and maneuvering.
(I think 安全控制系统 = safety control system, but I'm not sure)
0:09 报告，反应堆冷却回路泄漏，全舰进入低功率模式
Captain, the reactor cooling loop is leaking; the whole ship has entered low-power mode
0:12 报告，一号、二号激光器受损，主炮二号炮塔报废
Captain, lasers one and two are damaged, main gun turret 2 is a total loss
(I am guessing 报废 = "total loss" but maybe there is a better word)
0:29 敌袭扰弹已重新建立跟踪，拦截弹已全部投送
Enemy missiles have re-established lock. We have launched all interceptors.
(EDIT: I previously wrote "Enemy harassing missiles" but I've been told it probably just means offensive missile as opposed to defensive missile)
1:03 舰上设备存在再次运作可能，建议再次打击
The equipment onboard has the potential to recover. I suggest further strikes.
1:11 目标残骸确认，第三批次3M11导弹两枚已投放
Identified target wreckage. Of the third batch of 3M11 missiles, two have been launched
1:39 不，不会再有公约了
No, [after this] there will not be any more conventions
1:51 封锁轨道，通报全星，所有船只停止活动，并回到星表及轨道港口等待我方接管
Orbital blockade. Broadcast to entire system: All vessels must immediately cease activities and return to surface or orbital ports and wait for our side to assume control.
(I don't have enough military experience to write this translation properly.)
1:58 违反者视为威胁目标，一律击沉
Violators will be treated as hostile targets and destroyed without exception
2:18 小行星阿塔卡马和小行星乌鲁鲁等地待命的灶神星舰艇已被我方击沉
We have destroyed the Vestan warships on standby at asteroids Atacama, Uluru, and other places.
2:42 报告，第三批次导弹已命中敌乘员舱，敌舰基本丧失战斗能力，是否继续攻击
Report: The third batch of missiles has struck the enemy's crew capsule. The enemy ship has mostly lost combat capability. Should we continue attacking?
3:37 确实出事了，不过我们已经封锁了消息，初步报告内容已经转发给您
There has indeed been a mishap. But we have sealed the news [from getting out]. I have already forwarded you a preliminary report.
(mishap might be the wrong word - I might be misunderstanding the plot of this whole video lol. in which case maybe "incident" is a better word.)
3:50 哦对，还有这个，灶神星本部向我们传递了那边的新情况
Oh right, there's also this: an update from Vesta command on their new situation
3:54 了解，我回地球一趟
Understood. I will go visit Earth again.
By the way, it’s 2 3M11 as ‘the third batch of missile’, the first two batches were launched in the previous videos
@@delta8402 Hmm yeah, that does make sense; that part in the Chinese is pretty terse and ambiguous - I did have trouble translating it.
>No, [after this] there will not be any more conventions
I feel like a more loose translation is needed. "No conventions will be honored" conveys in clearer english terms what I think is being referred to.
this would be a huge improvement❤
if i were the OP/creator, i would use everything in the brackets. more context is better.
@@jackr2287 I sorta see what you mean there - maybe I was translating the Chinese too literally and "convention does not exist" sounds weird in English. Not sure about the tone. I also thought about how I would say it colloquially - "Conventions will not be a thing anymore" - but that's also not the right tone...
EDIT: also - I would be a bit worried that "No conventions will be honored" will be too specific a meaning unless we know more about the story, because maybe the intention is to say that in the future, both a) conventions will not be honored and b) no new conventions will be established. I dunno.
Even in space, it's not a war-crime if it's the first time.
The real war crime is that desktop clickey-clackey that only has one ball
seems there is a convention in place. might not be the first time
this one was probably the hardest to keep track of, but the animation , return to the bigger picture, it's all really impressive. Some others have pointed out the difficulty with tracking BVR combat, but I honestly think you've done a great job.
Some more shots giving viewers updates on the overall landscape might help a bit (maybe shots of each side's software readout, showing what they've detected and leaving eagle-eyed viewers to spot what's missing?), but the creativity that's gone into the setting has gotten me thinking a lot. Counter-satellite warfare, harassment of missile salvos at long ranges to further deplete them for inner layers of missile defense. Very well done, very well done indeed!
I especially adore and am obsessed with the time given to how the radar, optical and IR systems fought to keep track of incoming missiles, that was layers of real-life I've never even thought about!
What I think happened here:
JR was dead in the waters, but somehow it can still move on its own under some sort of automation. While the Flagship (that’s what the other ship besides JR was called) was licking its wounds, the Ceres space force that they had just engaged (from earlier) with are intercepting some munitions, probably from the damaged Vesta Space force. They detected that JR is still functioning, so the Ceres laser frigate ( 1:05 ) fired 2 missile to finish them off. That strike broke the Vesta Flagship in two ( 1:41 ). Some crew members are talking about surrendering, under the Lagrange point convention, but… So Vesta is defeated, the news of which has reached the area of Mars ( 3:26 ).
Hope this explanation helps here!
Note: I think it’s here we’ve learned the names of both parties that’s in the Battle of Psyche
The missiles came from the start of part 2 when Youssef Moussa (flagship) fired their railguns, they said 5 interceptors are also launched and switched to anti ship mode
Also I think that's more like a Ceres missile barge with how many missiles they launched, which suggested killing off JR but was told to monitor it instead and shot 2 missiles for YM which tore that hole in the crew module
they detected that JR might still be able to function
Did anyone else notice the follow up missiles getting hit by the lasers for the split second we see them before they hit? That’s such a nice detail
Never noticed that, nice catch
the realism in this is what makes it so amazing
And this is very close to how real space combat might work.
In space frigates, cruisers and destroyers will become the primary combat method as fighters as we know them would be too impractical, also the distances at which they would fight would be ridiculous by todays standards.
Very well done.
Even today naval battles are fought over large distances. Pretty much all modern warships have over-the-horizon radar and guns and missiles that can hit enemy ships tens of kilometers away. The limiting factors are air resistance slowing down the projectile, gravity pulling it down, and the horizon obscuring the enemy. In space, where there's neither a horizon nor air, nor gravity (or at least low gravity), the combat range is obviously extremely large.
Yet soft sci fi always depicts space battles from a distance of like a few hundred meters *at most,* which is less than WW1 warships were capable of. That's foot soldier range.
@@mifiwi3438 And even the fighter launched from carrier also attack vessel at distance at hundredth of km away with modern Anti-ship missile. So the scope of modern naval combat is in the range of thousandth of km.
A fighter could be incredibly useful, but the pilot would need enough supplies to last week's or months while it achieved an advantageous orbit in order to launch missiles from wide angles and keep the coordinates of the main fleet hidden. I think there is a purpose for fighters, but they would probably be seen as more of a small ship capable of housing 2 or 3 pilots for weeks on end.
@iamsethhasting8911 at that point it's not really a fighter, but a gun boat or a very small Corvette.
The point of fighters is to be quick, agile and deliver a devastating punch, while being as small as possible
@@Keemperor40K A practical starfighter would hover around the size of 20-50 meters long
Wake up babe new savages just dropped
They really went Rip and Tear until it was done. Awesome worldbuilding btw
Reminder: these two Vesta vessels are for patrol purpose, not for facing a command ship and a missile cruiser
This is really great, the story, the graphics, combat and narration beautifully mixed. I am really liking this series and hope to see the bigger gunslingers in action sometime later!
Ah yes, finally a remastered edition of Children of a Dead Earth.
This is like cocaine, I can never get enough of it.
I was watching the first two episodes with a friend and we had a fair bit of criticism. While this is technically quite impressive we really struggled to keep track of what was going on. In filmmaking there are certain rules when it comes to putting together an action sequence. It is of supreme importance to establish what the sides are, the stakes are and the geometry of the fight, lest everything decend into a confusing mess the viewer doesn't really care about. This sequence doesn't do a very good job of doing any of those things. In space where everything is tremendously far apart the latter is especially hard. You constantly have to remind the viewer of where the camera is and what it's looking at, especially if there are no repeating elements inbetween shots.
Possible solutions are to do a lot less cutting back and forth between different perspectives. It can sometimes be more coherent to view things in a not exactly chronological order.
Having a map display or some kind of overview perspective can help establish the geometry and give the viewer situational awareness.
The english translation also ... needs work. It's not very good.
I agree
speak for yourself on the not understanding part, or better yet make your own stuff. it would be an unimaginably drab world if every time asArsenic didn't understand something, artists had to drop everything and go Dora the explorer and hold themselves to "certain rules" (read: handholding).
if it isnt for you, it isnt for you. move on and leave your prescriptions for your own projects.
go watch some marvel, it might be more your style
Yeah the shorts are amazing but I've literally no clue who is engaging who with what.
@@Benedict_XII No need to be so hostile,he's just trying to provide some constructive criticism.
@@Benedict_XII "make your own stuff" is never a valid response to criticism.
childish response overall
Series is looking good visuals to music keep up the good work
0:50 love that turret fire there, what a beauty
Should the ship fire counter-thrusters to mitigate all that recoil from firing the gun?
@@YurNikolaev I agree too but maybe it's not a severe issue.
Counter firing like Expanse is the simplest and most logical method but you'll still need to compensate for gyro effect for rotating the turret that has rotating barrel & reaction forces of turning turret itself etc so you'd still need ship's rcs to counter that.
So if we'd still need to compensate for it anyway we could just also compensate reaction force from firing projectile to rcs too and reduce turret cost.
In CoaDE turrets iirc were originally implemented as ball turret embedded in armor and combat was meant to be done in broadside.
then later it got option to extrude it outside ship like actual turret which just use same ball turret code - so naturally it couldn't implement counter firing turrets and instead fires up main engine to counter it (as game also doesn't have proper RCS either.)
Since so many hard sf nowdays are sonewhat inspired by CoaDE's style maybe that's why it's common to see a turret that doesn't counter fire and large ships that consistently burn fuel during combat.
I'm loving this. I can't be certain of the translation since I don't know the language, but there are a few minor spelling/translation issues
at 0:08 instead of "colding-loop" you want "cooling-loop" and possibly add additional info to the low power statement, like "low power only" or something.
0:14, instead of "cap, we lost lasers 1 to 2 th, and gun 2th", you want "Cap, we lost lasers 1, 2, and the second gun" or for that last part, "and gun 2" or "the 2nd gun"
0:16, you probably want "DC, try to keep power online" and "close the broken pipes with robots if possible"
1:00 isn't clear what it means, "temp" can either be temporary, or temperature, placement matters here, and I'm not sure which it is, but if it's temperature, you probably want slightly different structure, not sure how I would fix that though, and if it's temporary, you'll want to write out the whole thing as "temporarily"
1:03 is unclear. "re-functioning" isn't a word, but can be assumed to mean something begins function again. I'm assuming the intent was malfunction, but if it's on the other side, and they're saying that there's a risk of them being able to fix things, it's just very very awkward. If that's a direct translation, I guess I wouldn't re-write it, but you might want to do "onboard equipment repair" or something.
1:41 I'm guessing there's a little mis-translation, although it comes through ok- "no, there won't be any conventions" is future tense, and is interpreted as (we) won't be holding any more conventions in the future. if it's a statement that the conventions don't matter.
2:15, loose | before attack
2:17, "all standing-by vessels" is wrong tense, you honestly probably want "garrisoned," standby doesn't entirely work here, although you could do "vessels on standby"
2:26 misspelling, "neutralized" (I can't spell this either, but use spellcheck) Vesta front forces is not entirely clear on meaning. forward forces? main forces? minor issue.
2:42 "disabled", mostly is also fairly informal, you wouldn't use it in this situation, partially would be more likely. "follow ups?" while it gets the message across is overtly truncated, try "should we follow up?"
3:40 you probably want pronouns in there, "it's pretty bad" "but we've sure info blocked" is pretty nonsensical. I'm not 100% where this is going, "but we've made sure that information was blocked" would be clearer if a little awkward, " but we are pretty sure that info was blocked" and so on. I can't say more when I'm not sure what it means- and for the last part, "the first report was already sent to you" since this isn't a combat situation, these are way too truncated.
3:51, missing the, "here's the message"
3:53. got. is improper usage, really unclear, if it's an affirmative, there are a lot of words you could use, or statements, second half is also unclear thanks to missing pronouns, "(I) have my way to earth" or "(we) have my way to earth" or even "(they) have my way to earth"
if this is a request to get ready, you might do " prepare my way to earth" or "get ready a way to earth"
I'll put the disclaimer that I'm no expert, and this is all just suggestions. I'm really looking forward to the next episode
All are pretty good.
1:03 I believe is spoken by the attacking force, and so their concern is JR may be coming back online, and renew offensive activities.
Figuring out who is who is this scenario is a bit difficult sometimes, as all I have to go off of is intonation and sometimes color pallettes.
@@jackr2287 definitely. Aside from the couple of errors that stood out to me, I actually didn't even notice most of it before I went back through to double check what I wrote.
Valiant effort for not knowing Chinese! In 1:00 it seems to be "temperature" in this case. In 1:03 they are saying that the equipment has the potential to start functioning again (presumably after the damage from the attack gets repaired). I agree with your guess for 1:41 - basically that after such an attack and violation of norms, conventions will not matter anymore in the future. Your comment has motivated me to transcribe and re-translate some of the lines from the Chinese - I made a separate comment.
@@hipparcos glad to have inspired someone with more skills than I do!
re-functioning could probably be left in, as its meaning is intuitive and it could be a neologism that adds depth to the setting
“vesta front forces” is fine, a “front” is a military term for a localized operational deployment of forces within a theater of combat. so the “vesta front” would refer to the deployment area around vesta, and the “forces” there refer to the deployed assets
“have my way to earth” is an unused construction, “have + my way” are not word friends. “get ready a way” is also not used. “arrange for travel to earth” would probably better; however I don’t think enough information is available as to the motivation and intentions of this character to provide a correct translation. “i have a way to” is actually closest to this construction, and that would imply that an opposition or impediment to earth travel has been cleared. a conclusion could be drawn that intention of travel to earth would be opposed in some way.
Damn, not just Sari and JR but the entire Vesta Fleet. I really thought Youssef Moussa would get away at least, but it seems in space at such vast distances and all alone, they didn’t stand a chance.
Savages really is an amazing work of art. Looking forward to the episode 1 and 2 remakes.
Vesta fleet are literally made for facing multiple unprotected targets (according to the author), imagine fighting against us fleet with patrol vessels
Snowball effect. When one side starts getting the upper hand, it's becoming worse and worse for the losing side with each minute.
@@YurNikolaev Lanchester's laws set this out in the days of gun armed battleship combat, the advantage in ranged combat compounds very very quickly. Salvo model can also be a factor, especially when deception about one side's capabilities are at play.
@@delta8402Vesta fleet is actually a counter to the 3M11 used by Ceres, the laser can burn away balloon decoy very easily. Aggressor almost emptied their low end missiles and only two 3M11 survived past their defence. All while VSF consists of mostly cadets and they made a mistake at final leg by not increasing spot size. If JR didn't make mistake, increase spot size and survived by blinding the missile, Vesta will immediately gain upperhand. Ceres force will become sitting ducks. Since they only have 3M11 left, JR can burn all decoys easily then intercept 3M11 with ease.
What an incredible series. I love the way the ships and technology are put on full display with reverence for their capability. But we only get partial glimpses of the savages inside them; unsure, scared, distrusting, competent, dedicated. So much careful detail put into just a few minutes
Yes SIRRRRRR give us the space combat media the people need!
Awesome work!
Thx for the video!
I am watching this while animating my own space battle animation inspired by… well your work. Thanks a lot for making this 😊
Love your work. If you need a proofreader/editor for the english translation i'm putting in my application here. Looking forward for the rest of it.
Best thing I've seen this side of The Expanse
I'm always amazed by your work, well done, keep going, we'll be here no matter the time
Dark, brutal and beautiful.
I NEED THIS INTO A FULL ON SERIES NOW
@@FunnyDirector101 soon soon, just wait me finish the battle analysis
@ I WANT THIS A NETFLIX SERIES, 3 MOVIES, AND SEVERAL BOOKS
Very cool stuff! I'm glad I found this channel.
There's no Geneva convention applied, because there's no Geneva in SPACE!!!
There is a Lagrange Point Convention, which i guess is similar?
@@FunnyDirector101 Yes it is similar, but there is a reason why this series is called "Savages".
@@8749236 ah
even in space you cant escape war crimes
Geneva Suggestion, you say?
Damn, didn't think there would be more parts. Happily surprised.
Cool!
This is awesome!
WOOT!!! More Savages! Awesome!
RIP Crews of the Vesta Space Force
I got to re watch in order.
your the best keep making htese
Very nice work
Absolute Cinema
Outstanding work!
Brutal.
I’m PSYCHE-d to watch this.
Love this.
AMAZING
This is so amazing!
This shit is the sickest thing in the system.
God, I can't describe how much I love this stuff. Though I think the subtitling needs improvement.
AMAZINGNES!!! Been waiting!!!!!
Gorgeous
I love these
Space horror without monsters. Love it! If you want to really make this blow up, consider working together with someone to make an english spoken version? Maybe you can already do a lot with AI voices, since all the voice acting is very subdued anyway.
10/10!
Missing Casaba Howitzers, Nuclear Explosively Formed Penetrators and Nuclear Shaped Charges.
Of that could be the eacalation stage of space warfare. Nuclear dimensions.
Спасибо
Absolutely beautiful production! This will become popular.
What a nice little lie bordcast there! Leaving us with a hint the counterattack is underway! I doubt the plumes were actual survivor escape pods, and if they were, they were likely saboteurs!
Still, amazing world building! I cannot wait to see the remake of Pt 1&2, given the lessons learned so far. I'm also excited for the next story! What aspect will we see? Mega structure defense? A fleet assault? The arrival of a fleet? More lore? More lore? Perhaps more lore as well? Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be EPIC!
Given that our point of view was from a pressure suited Vesta sailor looking through his cracked hull at open space, i suspect those drive plumes were the follow up missile strikes sent to finish the job.
@@JinKee Not possible as we have audio confirmation that the third wave had hit JR's Crew capsule just before the message was sent. We can only assume that the crew capsule was empty when the 3rd strike hit, as why else would we be getting a view of the space suit within the JR ship?
The other key thing is earlier on, there was mention of the Lagrange point convention, and immediately followed by "there will be no convention!", leading everyone to believe that surrender was not an option. The idea of using that convention to your advantage, via sending remote explosives in escape pods, and just mocking a life form signal, seems more then plausible.
Also there's one other thing I'm questioning, What was being launched when we got the view of JR's only working gun I can assume, and something was being electromagnetically launched towards Psyche, after the first round of Vesta missiles had been intercepted, In what really was an amazing scene!
I still strongly believe that those plumes were a follow up response, and very likely are pods filled to the brim with explosives, that have a mock life signal in them to throw Ceres off. I could be wrong and they could actually be survivors, and they will still be shot out of the sky when they get to close.
@@SkywishesMedia You would've been right if Ceres had 100% accurate sensors. Author has confirmed, on Bilibili, those 3 plumes are indeed missiles. This a typical issue with space combat, they are imaging from thousands of miiles, they thought they scored a direct hit on crew cabin and disabled Youssef Moussa.
At 1:41, you can see the missile struck slightly forward of crew cabin, the impact torn open the cabin hull but it remained mostly intact; the hole mislead Ceres Space Force into believing they scored a direct hit on crew cabin. Shown on the monitor at 2:42, it is extremely blurry and worse than 144P on UA-cam.
But the surrender broadcast indicates their analysis was wrong, their missile missed the crew cabin, thus they launched 3 more to kill them.
VSF were also crewed with cadets who aren't fully prepared for this. Inexperienced cadets gave themselves away despite senior officials told them enemies won't respect Lagrange Point Convention.
The correct action would've been power down rocket engine, reactor, primary systems, raise internal temperature (simulate reactor meltdown or loss of radiators) vent some hot coolants and play dead. It will take several days for adversay to realize they are still alive, but by then they could have restored partial capability and ready to defend themselves.
There is a reason why sci fi series like Star Trek uses "venting plasma" or something to fool enemy, because at thousands of miles, details are easily lost.
@ i am thinking from the dialogue that all of Ceres’ combat objectives were achieved and the Vesta Space Fleet was overconfident going in and totally destroyed at the end.
@@JinKee yeah . the vesta fleet was surprised by the ceres missile attack as the missile launchers were hidden before they engaged
Is there a digest/summary somewhere that outlines what is happening? I love the realism and action, but I can barely tell what is going on except that there are two factions fighting in the middle of the solar system.
I heard there is a video for that coming, and author is exploring options to make this understandable.
The problem is, with realistic scale, or even half of the realistic scale, many cinematography techniques that works on Earth stopped working at extremely vast distance.
For example, at 10,000km, enemy vessel is just a dot that occupies less than 1% of a pixel, a realistic portrait of enemy vessel will simply be.... pure black screen... Cinematography in last 100 years never had this problem, and author is among the first, if not the first, trying to solve this.
Currently he used different lightning scheme and clothing style to indicate factions and characters, apparently that didn't work well.
This is all I know and potentially wrong, so take this with a grain of salt
The year is 2400-ish, humanity has colonized the solar system, with Vesta and Ceres being 2 indepedent nations of the Asteroid Belts. They both want to claim Psyche as their own, and thus they fight each other but never escalate it to a full blown war.
This changed when Ceres decided to do it, sending 2 full fledge warships (01 and 02 as they are called) disguided as patrol ships to set up a hostile takeover, Vesta sent a laser frigate and a multipurpose patrol ship (Joan Roni and Youssef Moussa respectively) in respond, leading to episode 3 part 1.
Part 1:
-Vestan ships deploy recon satellites to track Ceres' force. The data they gathered said that the enemy has no anti ship capability
-Ceres' ships are told to begin the attack, using hidden attack satellites to hit Vestan recon sats
-Joan Roni were told to retalliate, using their main laser on the enemy
-Ceres' ships move to hide behind the shadow of Psyche while jamming Joan Roni. Using this as a distraction to secretly activate their hidden recon sats before quickly move to the shadow
-Joan Roni crew considered deploying flyby recon sat to see what Ceres' fleet is doing, but YM said they can do that later. This is until they see the aggressive burn, and launched one immediately
-in the shadow of Psyche, 01 discard it's fake hull plating, showing that it in fact has anti ship missile bay and launch a salvo of 8 missiles on high orbit climb. Meanwhile, 02 detected Vestan flyby recon satellite (thanks to the aforementioned hidden recon sat) and shot an interceptor missile into it's path
-a Vestan radar system on Psyche's surface detected 01's salvo and send the data to YM, leading to Vesta fleet entering combat mode
Part 2:
-01 continue firing a lot of missiles, this time going straight for Vesta fleet instead of going high orbit attack
-YM fire 5 inteceptor missiles reprogramed into anti ship and railguns spray into Ceres fleet general direction. Vesta fleet started gathering data, which said the missile wave launched straight for them doesn't have the signature of the 8 missiles launched in part 1, and they charted it as missing due to the missiles losing their lock on. YM offer to take over detection and tracking while Roni focus entirely on powering their laser
-Vesta fleet launch a salvo of interceptors and use laser to shoot down the large wave of missiles in front of them. Suddenly, several missiles appear on a high inclination orbit going for them (these are the "missed" missiles that have slowly drifted toward them using active cooling to hide it's signature), which deploy a wall of decoys that confuse Vesta fleet
-their laser and interceptors take out most of the straight missiles, so Roni asked YM to transfer 3 (weaker) laser systems to shoot down the remaining straight missiles, while Roni's main laser is overloaded and aim at the high orbit missiles to take out the decoy and narrow down the missiles. Interceptors were launched afterwards to take out the high orbit missiles, but it's too late and only 1 managed to hit, this led to Roni crew panicking and started maneuvering while trying to destroy the missiles' sensors instead, but it was also too late
-Roni took a big fat high orbit missile to the crew module, killing everyone onboard and temporarely cut the ship's engines offline. Meanwhile, YM was hit by one of the straight missile, which use thermal tracking so it went for their radiator instead, leaving YM alive
Part 3:
-YM crew confirmed that Roni is on auto mode now, while they try to access their damage (most of their weapons destroyed and their radiators screwed) and repair it if possible
-YM attack missiles now close in on Ceres, but was easily intercepted by 02. Whatever semblances of a missile still left were then picked clean by CIWS, ensuring their safety.
-02 found Roni's automated movement and got ordered to track it incase the ship started shooting again, while 01 is ordered to launch 2 missiles at the damaged YM
-one of YM's crew contemplates surrendering, hoping that somesort of war rule established by Earth (given the name lagrange) could allow them to live another day. Their captain knows it won't help them
-YM got slapped by the missiles launched previously
-Ceres fleet now deploy their blockade system, while broadcasting to all vessels in the belt to surrender or die. Meanwhile, Ceres' forces began attacked Vestan installations across the belts
-with Psyche being completely their, Ceres began moving one of their fleet there to claim it. One of Ceres' ship check on YM again, asking if another wave of missile should be launched
-YM's crew desperately surrender and ask to be rescued. Ceres chose to kill them
-on Phobos station, talk about the incident of Vesta-Mars transport attack from episode 1 is mentioned, which said the situation is really bad but it was thankfully contained. Then the new report about Ceres' takeover of Psyche sent by Vesta reached the command guy, who requested to be brought back to Earth.
@@8749236 Yes, the "Star Trek" problem of showing space ships capable light-speed, yet they always seem to a half-mile away from each other on screen.
BattleStar Galactica (new) tried to open the visual distances a bit, but even that was a partial solution.
My problem, however, is just the plot. I like knowing the factions and backstory. While I can make some guesses, it's just guesses, and there isn't any clear exposition remarks between characters to make things clear the way, say, Firefly did in its pilot episode.
@@8749236 It doesnt work at all. Everyone is wearing white space suits, and are in white ships. He needs to give them colors. As for camerawork, he should learn from anime. Split screen ships that are too far apart to be in the same shot.
there are more explanations on bilbili in chinese but I'd guess you don't understand chinese so I will try explain a bit here for you:
The setting is in 24th century, human technology level is what you can infer here in the video. Earth is a united faction now and people colonized mars and asteroids inside the asteroid belt. These inner colonies are relatively independent but still leave under the shadow of Earth due to lack of resources and low population(so their military power is small compare to earth and their survival relies heavily on the trade with earth). People also colonized satellites like Titan but not listening to Earth anymore because they are too far from earth and Titan is much larger and resourceful compare to inner colonies.
Ceres and Vesta are two inner colonies with military power and not happy with each other. They send fleet to patrol Psyche and keep an eye on each other. Ceres fleet launched a suprise attack on Vesta fleet. Ceres fleet ship are the dark ones with red laser and Vesta ships are the white ones with green laser and got destroyed.
More!
I am having a hard time telling the two factions apart visually.
Will you make any community posts about info of the world?
So far only on bilibili in Chinese
there are more explanations on bilbili in chinese but I'd guess you don't understand chinese so I will try explain a bit here for you:
The setting is in 24th century, human technology level is what you can infer here in the video. Earth is a united faction now and people colonized mars and asteroids inside the asteroid belt. These inner colonies are relatively independent but still leave under the shadow of Earth due to lack of resources and low population(so their military power is small compare to earth and their survival relies heavily on the trade with earth). People also colonized satellites like Titan but not listening to Earth anymore because they are too far from earth and Titan is much larger and resourceful compare to inner colonies.
Ceres and Vesta are two inner colonies with military power and not happy with each other. They send fleet to patrol Psyche and keep an eye on each other. Ceres fleet launched a suprise attack on Vesta fleet. Ceres fleet ship are the dark ones with red laser and Vesta ships are the white ones with green laser and got destroyed.
FINALLY
This is amazing. Do you think there's a possibility of you working with L5Resident and the guys at Lunar War? I think a collab between you both would make some amazing works.
We have worked before in 2022, but broked up
@@realfrost401 Oh that's a shame. Well good luck then on Savages.
Awesome work again. So we are dealing with warcrimes in space? I see.
So it looks like earth is going to be under attack. I. Excited for the next part, wished there was more context about the world and the nations
3:16 terrifying
War crimes?
Let's goooo
so incredibly peak
Finally
3:01 Sooooooo… He pressed the Enter key…
Is this a film?
A space war series, you are seeing the third part of episode 3
Kino
2:41 (disabled) not disbaled
It’s probably just a translation error. It’s not the first time that happened.
Chinese version of Expense
render time ?
The viewing order is 1-3-2? I am confuse isn't 3 depicting the Vesta ships already hit by the missile volley we saw in 2?
Btw I have other topics where I am also confuse. We see the Vesta fleet attacking Psyche12 but who is defending? In Space Island is talked about the separatist move of Ceres and that they seem to have cause the incident with the cycler in an attempt to change the geopolitical situation, Vesta is named but briefly and just is mention that is under a self-sustained party(I guess is about Vesta independence and self reliance without outside intervention). How is it that now we see Vesta making a move over Psyche12? and again who are the defending fleet? are they from Earth?
The order is 1-2-3. Vesta fleet has green-ish interior lighting, Ceres Space Force that is performing surprised attack has red interior lighting and audio has more static and less quality.
Vesta and Ceres has terrirtory dispute over Psyche, Ceres disguised their missile carrier as survey ship and launched surprise attack during usual harassment (destroying cute sats) and Vesta fleet crews has many cadets and were unprepared.
So, do I get this right. The vesta fleet surrendered and then the other side shot them some more?
Yep, other comments suggesting fixes for the translation said that 1:39 line would be translated to something like "There will be no conventions after this battle"
“Savages, the Savages”
You created the music yourself?
by my friend
이시간에 올려도 다 봅니다 따거.
Can someone post the story? I know its there, but it’s hard to follow.
This is all I know and potentially wrong, so take this with a grain of salt
The year is 2400-ish, humanity has colonized the solar system, with Vesta and Ceres being 2 indepedent nations of the Asteroid Belts. They both want to claim Psyche as their own, and thus they fight each other but never escalate it to a full blown war.
This changed when Ceres decided to do it, sending 2 full fledge warships (01 and 02 as they are called) disguided as patrol ships to set up a hostile takeover, Vesta sent a laser frigate and a multipurpose patrol ship (Joan Roni and Youssef Moussa respectively) in respond, leading to episode 3 part 1.
Part 1:
-Vestan ships deploy recon satellites to track Ceres' force. The data they gathered said that the enemy has no anti ship capability
-Ceres' ships are told to begin the attack, using hidden attack satellites to hit Vestan recon sats
-Joan Roni were told to retalliate, using their main laser on the enemy
-Ceres' ships move to hide behind the shadow of Psyche while jamming Joan Roni. Using this as a distraction to secretly activate their hidden recon sats before quickly move to the shadow
-Joan Roni crew considered deploying flyby recon sat to see what Ceres' fleet is doing, but YM said they can do that later. This is until they see the aggressive burn, and launched one immediately
-in the shadow of Psyche, 01 discard it's fake hull plating, showing that it in fact has anti ship missile bay and launch a salvo of 8 missiles on high orbit climb. Meanwhile, 02 detected Vestan flyby recon satellite (thanks to the aforementioned hidden recon sat) and shot an interceptor missile into it's path
-a Vestan radar system on Psyche's surface detected 01's salvo and send the data to YM, leading to Vesta fleet entering combat mode
Part 2:
-01 continue firing a lot of missiles, this time going straight for Vesta fleet instead of going high orbit attack
-YM fire 5 inteceptor missiles reprogramed into anti ship and railguns spray into Ceres fleet general direction. Vesta fleet started gathering data, which said the missile wave launched straight for them doesn't have the signature of the 8 missiles launched in part 1, and they charted it as missing due to the missiles losing their lock on. YM offer to take over detection and tracking while Roni focus entirely on powering their laser
-Vesta fleet launch a salvo of interceptors and use laser to shoot down the large wave of missiles in front of them. Suddenly, several missiles appear on a high inclination orbit going for them (these are the "missed" missiles that have slowly drifted toward them using active cooling to hide it's signature), which deploy a wall of decoys that confuse Vesta fleet
-their laser and interceptors take out most of the straight missiles, so Roni asked YM to transfer 3 (weaker) laser systems to shoot down the remaining straight missiles, while Roni's main laser is overloaded and aim at the high orbit missiles to take out the decoy and narrow down the missiles. Interceptors were launched afterwards to take out the high orbit missiles, but it's too late and only 1 managed to hit, this led to Roni crew panicking and started maneuvering while trying to destroy the missiles' sensors instead, but it was also too late
-Roni took a big fat high orbit missile to the crew module, killing everyone onboard and temporarely cut the ship's engines offline. Meanwhile, YM was hit by one of the straight missile, which use thermal tracking so it went for their radiator instead, leaving YM alive
Part 3:
-YM crew confirmed that Roni is on auto mode now, while they try to access their damage (most of their weapons destroyed and their radiators screwed) and repair it if possible
-YM attack missiles now close in on Ceres, but was easily intercepted by 02. Whatever semblances of a missile still left were then picked clean by CIWS, ensuring their safety.
-02 found Roni's automated movement and got ordered to track it incase the ship started shooting again, while 01 is ordered to launch 2 missiles at the damaged YM
-one of YM's crew contemplates surrendering, hoping that somesort of war rule established by Earth (given the name lagrange) could allow them to live another day. Their captain knows it won't help them
-YM got slapped by the missiles launched previously
-Ceres fleet now deploy their blockade system, while broadcasting to all vessels in the belt to surrender or die. Meanwhile, Ceres' forces began attacked Vestan installations across the belts
-with Psyche being completely their, Ceres began moving one of their fleet there to claim it. One of Ceres' ship check on YM again, asking if another wave of missile should be launched
-YM's crew desperately surrender and ask to be rescued. Ceres chose to kill them
-on Phobos station, talk about the incident of Vesta-Mars transport attack from episode 1 is mentioned, which said the situation is really bad but it was thankfully contained. Then the new report about Ceres' takeover of Psyche sent by Vesta reached the command guy, who requested to be brought back to Earth.
@@henrycooper3431almost correct. The only issue is 3M11 is specifically designed anti ship torpedo, not those cheaper missiles in the second batch. They accelerate when getting close to the target and perform random maneuvers after about 100 miles from the target, that’s why they’re so lethal, not to mention their self-rotate ability and decoy
@@delta8402I'm pretty sure I leave every single details that would tell the 3M11 to be deadlier than the rest
@@henrycooper3431 oh sorry, my fault
@@henrycooper3431 Year 2400ish? (Seems like a stretch, but humans did reach Saturn, colonized the Asteroid belt…) Edit: Near-future
Why does his clicky-clackey only have one ball
?
@xinguan2681 the clicky-clacky on his desk at the end of the video, it's just one swinging metal ball
3:44 Oh that! I don’t know. But it’s the future, so… who knows. Maybe it’s a thing that just swings forever and stuff.
Damn, this is sick, keep it on.
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