The prosharp system is based on engineering theory. Not science at best they are a contouring system meaning you can change the shape of the blade. True profiling is finding the 3 balance points of the blade which you would need the full skate to do. I purchased a quad zero template from pro Sharp took it to an inspection company to analyze it with a very expensive CMM. They could not find the for radii that pro sharp was claiming. Turns out the quad 0 is an 11 ft radius with a pitch.
Hello Matt (OK flak jacket on! :)) (1) A short radius allows cornering/manoeuvring, a large radius a higher top speed. Stock Hockey skates often might have a 9 foot radius / 2.7 meters over the "bulk" of the runner. By Bulk, I mine say 75 per cent as a rough crude estimate. Then the stock radius blends to the shorter radius toe and heel regions. (2) Profiling attempts to change the "75 per cent" mostly skated region to be several radii so one has a skate that has a higher top speed (better glide) and also better cornering/manoeuvring. Thus for cornering the Front of the 75 percent region has a radius smaller/shorter than the stock 9 ft radius (ie the Quad 1 here has a 6 and 9 ft radii in the front region. ). Also the center and Rear regions of the Quad 1 have a 12 ft then a 15 ft radius regions. This gives a better glide than the stock 9ft radius. (3) In a crude nutshell if you have endless endurance some old worn hand sharpened banana blades will work well too. These often have great cornering since the toe to the start of the center might the same 6 ft radius too! But often the heel region has the same banana profile thus a slower runner with less glide. (4)For review a speed skate has a giant side profile radius , maybe say 20 to 30 ft. This gives a better glide, less drag, higher top speed. A Bandy skate also has a larger side profile radius too since the Bandy ice sheet is way bigger than ice hockey. (5) With each sharpening the stock original 9ft radius or custom profiled multi radius blade often degrades to the banana profile after many many poorer hand sharpenings. This is the elephant in the room few folks mention. Thus many of us when we go to a new blade or new profile have this weird sense that the new blades are odd or bad. What happens is one adjusts ones skating to the bad blades and actually better blades will often at first seem worse!. (6) Each double/triple/quad series of Profile templates has several variants, this is because the runner length varies with skate size. ie a there are many double/triple and Quad radius templates. Prosharp just introduced 3 more Quad templates for the smaller youth skate sizes : www.prosharp.se/pub_docs/files/Our-most-popular-profiles.pdf The Sweden chart shows a Quad II is for skates size 11 and 12. Thus dialog about what QUAD template to use really depends on the runner size. The blade is only profiled in those 1, 2, 3 and 4 regions. A smaller say size 3 kids skate has a small runner thus a QUAD XXS template.
@@3beltwesty awesome info! Thanks so much. My son is 11, 110# good skater, 247 runner, defense. I'm looking at a Toronto 1 or 2, or Zuperior S. Just got some nice step steel for them.
Have you ever had issues with it not recognizing the blade half way through profiling a blade? I’m having this issue right now and am trying to troubleshoot.
Clarify what "Not Recognizing" means. The unit has a sensor that detects the clamped steel blade in the clamp. ie the control Logic to run the machine looks for this sensor to be True; ie have a clamped blade there in the clamp.
@ basically it will detect a blade in the clamp when I start profiling. It gets to a point before profiling is completed where it will stop its cycle I try pressing the button to keep profiling so I can finish the profiling process but the red light just blinks and it will not continue.
Quick question, im getting new Bauers 3s skates and they claim to have the LS+ blades with a quad cut Bauer is calling it their "Power Profile" with these do i just need to take them in and sharpen them as normal? or do they need any special technique to sharpen? assuming since they ship with the profile already they do not need that basic "new skate profile" sharpen. thanks
The Bauer 3s with Quad Profile has the 4 radii profile but not a sharp edge yet. Thus they have to be sharpened. The goal is to get sharp inner and outer edges with the least degradation of the profile. With a table top manual sharpener the toe and heel regions often get ground down too much. Thus one gets a banana profile runner. ua-cam.com/video/Swmt3d7Q_Qk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Dp06NIE9aZ4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/8msCWpgY9BI/v-deo.html When one cuts a profile on the AS 2001 you have the grind wheel dressed "Flat"ie infinite radius of hollow. Often the grind wheel is more coarse in profiling to remove the metal quicker. Profiling is to get the side view shape (profile) to a configuration that one wants. You can skate on a blade that is just profiled but the blade is flat, not great for any cornering. If someone profiles a skate blade without dressing the profile wheel every now and then then the blade can have chamfers where there should be an edge. The blade will have a side profile but requires many sharpening passes to remove the chamfer. What happened was the blade was going down into the grind wheel like a tire rut.
@@timryan8867 How is it easier you have created more transitions in such a small area and moved the flat surface to the back doing this will only make you way more Unstable.. Sure you may see gain in Maneuverability but will fall down so easy as a result.
@@HMNyge I understand the differences just fine & the downfall of this profile far exceeds any benefit it may offer.. Most new hockey tech only focus on proving it works and never look at the negative effect it has. In this case your balance and stability is affected.
Each full skate size has longer runners. Not everybody has the same size feet! :) So not sure what you are asking. Some sizes are rarer in high end steel blades. ie a blade marketed to NHL players might not be made in pee wee kids sizes.
@@MrBacknang You use a different Quad template with Size 7 skates versus size 12 skates. There are Seven different Quad templates. You use a different Quad template for a childs hockey skates than an adult giants skates. This is because the blade/runner is longer on larger skates. The Quad series small to larger skates is 3XS, XXS, XS, ZERO, 0.5, 1 AND II. Each Quad template has 4 radii that is why it is called a Quad profile. A size 7 adult Hockey skate uses a Quad Zero template. The radii are 6ft 9ft 11 ft and 13 ft A size 12adult Hockey skate uses a Quad II template. The radii are 7ft ,10ft , 13ft and 16ft A size 1 kids Hockey skate uses a Quad 3XS template. The radii are 4ft , 5ft , 7ft, 10 ft. So Yes, smaller Hockey skates use smaller radii. With ( 4 radius/Quad) profiling there is a different smaller radius "set" for smaller skates. The different Quad templates besides having different radius; have a longer template for longer skates. If one uses the Quad II template for large 12 skates on smaller size 7 skates the template is too long. You get just the middle two radii.
The prosharp system is based on engineering theory. Not science at best they are a contouring system meaning you can change the shape of the blade. True profiling is finding the 3 balance points of the blade which you would need the full skate to do. I purchased a quad zero template from pro Sharp took it to an inspection company to analyze it with a very expensive CMM. They could not find the for radii that pro sharp was claiming. Turns out the quad 0 is an 11 ft radius with a pitch.
Thanks for the video! Can you make one about the advantages of different Radii?
Hello Matt (OK flak jacket on! :))
(1) A short radius allows cornering/manoeuvring, a large radius a higher top speed. Stock Hockey skates often might have a 9 foot radius / 2.7 meters over the "bulk" of the runner. By Bulk, I mine say 75 per cent as a rough crude estimate. Then the stock radius blends to the shorter radius toe and heel regions.
(2) Profiling attempts to change the "75 per cent" mostly skated region to be several radii so one has a skate that has a higher top speed (better glide) and also better cornering/manoeuvring. Thus for cornering the Front of the 75 percent region has a radius smaller/shorter than the stock 9 ft radius (ie the Quad 1 here has a 6 and 9 ft radii in the front region. ). Also the center and Rear regions of the Quad 1 have a 12 ft then a 15 ft radius regions. This gives a better glide than the stock 9ft radius.
(3) In a crude nutshell if you have endless endurance some old worn hand sharpened banana blades will work well too. These often have great cornering since the toe to the start of the center might the same 6 ft radius too! But often the heel region has the same banana profile thus a slower runner with less glide.
(4)For review a speed skate has a giant side profile radius , maybe say 20 to 30 ft. This gives a better glide, less drag, higher top speed. A Bandy skate also has a larger side profile radius too since the Bandy ice sheet is way bigger than ice hockey.
(5) With each sharpening the stock original 9ft radius or custom profiled multi radius blade often degrades to the banana profile after many many poorer hand sharpenings. This is the elephant in the room few folks mention. Thus many of us when we go to a new blade or new profile have this weird sense that the new blades are odd or bad. What happens is one adjusts ones skating to the bad blades and actually better blades will often at first seem worse!.
(6) Each double/triple/quad series of Profile templates has several variants, this is because the runner length varies with skate size. ie a there are many double/triple and Quad radius templates. Prosharp just introduced 3 more Quad templates for the smaller youth skate sizes : www.prosharp.se/pub_docs/files/Our-most-popular-profiles.pdf The Sweden chart shows a Quad II is for skates size 11 and 12. Thus dialog about what QUAD template to use really depends on the runner size. The blade is only profiled in those 1, 2, 3 and 4 regions. A smaller say size 3 kids skate has a small runner thus a QUAD XXS template.
@@3beltwesty awesome info! Thanks so much. My son is 11, 110# good skater, 247 runner, defense. I'm looking at a Toronto 1 or 2, or Zuperior S. Just got some nice step steel for them.
Need a Quad Zero video.
I know this thread is old, but does the quad profile move the balance point of the blade? Amd if so, does it move towards the toe or heel?
Nice
Have you ever had issues with it not recognizing the blade half way through profiling a blade? I’m having this issue right now and am trying to troubleshoot.
Clarify what "Not Recognizing" means. The unit has a sensor that detects the clamped steel blade in the clamp. ie the control Logic to run the machine looks for this sensor to be True; ie have a clamped blade there in the clamp.
@ basically it will detect a blade in the clamp when I start profiling. It gets to a point before profiling is completed where it will stop its cycle I try pressing the button to keep profiling so I can finish the profiling process but the red light just blinks and it will not continue.
Quick question, im getting new Bauers 3s skates and they claim to have the LS+ blades with a quad cut Bauer is calling it their "Power Profile" with these do i just need to take them in and sharpen them as normal? or do they need any special technique to sharpen? assuming since they ship with the profile already they do not need that basic "new skate profile" sharpen. thanks
The Bauer 3s with Quad Profile has the 4 radii profile but not a sharp edge yet. Thus they have to be sharpened. The goal is to get sharp inner and outer edges with the least degradation of the profile. With a table top manual sharpener the toe and heel regions often get ground down too much. Thus one gets a banana profile runner.
ua-cam.com/video/Swmt3d7Q_Qk/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Dp06NIE9aZ4/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/8msCWpgY9BI/v-deo.html
When one cuts a profile on the AS 2001 you have the grind wheel dressed "Flat"ie infinite radius of hollow. Often the grind wheel is more coarse in profiling to remove the metal quicker. Profiling is to get the side view shape (profile) to a configuration that one wants. You can skate on a blade that is just profiled but the blade is flat, not great for any cornering.
If someone profiles a skate blade without dressing the profile wheel every now and then then the blade can have chamfers where there should be an edge. The blade will have a side profile but requires many sharpening passes to remove the chamfer. What happened was the blade was going down into the grind wheel like a tire rut.
Does a profile stay on the blade forever or goes away like a sharpen ?
it goes away gradually since there could be some human error and reducing the blade height and length will affect it
Not sure why you would want 4 different radius in that area you just divided your stability in half.
Easier transitions. Many Pros are moving to this.
@@timryan8867 How is it easier you have created more transitions in such a small area and moved the flat surface to the back doing this will only make you way more Unstable.. Sure you may see gain in Maneuverability but will fall down so easy as a result.
B H Watch some of the videos on youtube of semi pro and pro players as they try 1,2,3, and quad profiles. Gives a lot of insight into the differences
@@HMNyge I understand the differences just fine & the downfall of this profile far exceeds any benefit it may offer.. Most new hockey tech only focus on proving it works and never look at the negative effect it has. In this case your balance and stability is affected.
B H Have you tried it? I have the quad profile, havent noticed any issues in terms of balance or stability.
Fake News! Where is the different 254, 263, 272, 280, 288mm runners? ? ?
Each full skate size has longer runners. Not everybody has the same size feet! :) So not sure what you are asking. Some sizes are rarer in high end steel blades. ie a blade marketed to NHL players might not be made in pee wee kids sizes.
@@3beltwesty A 7-blade skate blade is shorter, so each curve has a smaller radius, and a 12-blade is longer, so each curve has a larger radius.
@@MrBacknang You use a different Quad template with Size 7 skates versus size 12 skates. There are Seven different Quad templates. You use a different Quad template for a childs hockey skates than an adult giants skates. This is because the blade/runner is longer on larger skates. The Quad series small to larger skates is 3XS, XXS, XS, ZERO, 0.5, 1 AND II. Each Quad template has 4 radii that is why it is called a Quad profile.
A size 7 adult Hockey skate uses a Quad Zero template. The radii are 6ft 9ft 11 ft and 13 ft
A size 12adult Hockey skate uses a Quad II template. The radii are 7ft ,10ft , 13ft and 16ft
A size 1 kids Hockey skate uses a Quad 3XS template. The radii are 4ft , 5ft , 7ft, 10 ft.
So Yes, smaller Hockey skates use smaller radii.
With ( 4 radius/Quad) profiling there is a different smaller radius "set" for smaller skates. The different Quad templates besides having different radius; have a longer template for longer skates.
If one uses the Quad II template for large 12 skates on smaller size 7 skates the template is too long. You get just the middle two radii.
Does a profile stay on the blade forever or goes away like a sharpen ?
It goes away over time