Regardless of Eve changing their name to "Dough" I would like to reiterate that no one should put any money into that company. I pre-ordered one of their 1440p240hz panels like 2 years ago (got refunded thankfully!) But they still haven't started shipping any of them! They started taking pre-ordered 3.5years ago for those! Meanwhile they went "here's a glossy screen does anyone want?".
yeah, i dont get why this company still gets coverage regardless of "muh glossy ips panels" when they have an abysmal track record. have seen so many posts online about people not receiving any products they ordered years ago.
I'm "waiting" for it and i've already paid for the monitor entirely.... LG made a panel change and it caused them to go back to the drawing board... Driving me crazy...
@@Psyopcyclops incredibly irresponsible of these youtubers to promote them even with the "caveats" they highlight in the videos when there's a high chance you dont even get a product when you buy from them.
If we had glossy gaming monitors we'd be able to see our sad depressing selves slowly dying behind the monitor every now and then, an absolutely terrifying sight. That is why they're mostly all matte.
@@Daniel_WR_Hart lol, so? people still have to read small text, watch videos and often play different games on a reflective screen, yet on phones almost nobody sees a problem. Yet a gaming monitor, that is only used indoors is for some reason a problem.
One thing to remember is that a lot of displays that feature capacitive touch aren't able to be made in matte finish due to that finish impeding touch sensitivity or accuracy, so laptop displays with touch will almost always be glossy. One thing that I would like to see is more companies using higher quality anti-reflection and anti-glare coatings on their glass. Leica has demonstrated in some of their smartphone collaborations that it is possible to almost completely eliminate glare and reflections from glass through the application of appropriate coatings. I'd like for companies to invest more research dollars on doing this for their displays as well. Televisions, monitors, and even laptop screens and phone screens could benefit from additional coating technologies to prevent glare, reflections, and even oils from your skin being deposited on them. If you don't think the last one is an issue, try using some tempered glass screen protectors that lack an oleophobic coating. You legitimately HAVE to use a wet lens cleaning cloth to get the oils off of the glass. But the typical oleophobic coatings that most smartphones have aren't even the final form of that technology. You can still do better, though more research and development will need to be done to ensure that such coatings can improve performance without becoming either less transparent or more delicate.
I've applied matte film on top of touch glass panel of my laptop, touch feature works great, also no visible fingerprints is a plus, obviously - no reflections, but blacks aren't that deep anymore.
A glossy finish probably helps sharpness at such small display scales too, since the matte finish is there to scatter light. Which is fine if you're viewing from a foot and a half away, but not so much if you've got a phone a few inches from your face.
@@lars2894 Apple generally has had the best displays on the market from a color calibration perspective. Even back in the early 2010's when I was buying my first laptop to go off to college they had the best looking displays. And now they have MiniLED tech which just makes them that much better. OLED-like performance with less risk of burn-in compared to the 1st gen OLED that many other laptop manufacturers occasionally offer in their products. At least Apple wants to give their displays a chance to live a while without burn-in, which is nice, given that replacement panels are basically unobtanium.
Love the fact that HDR monitor review is in HDR. Looks way better and I can honestly tell what they are actually seeing to some degree. Hope that this trend continues. Linus rocks
I do not, the video did not look good on my pixel 3a at 1080p and the display kept going past the brightness level I set in the OS (I keep my display brightness as low as I can to keep it from turning dark red like some of the other pixel 3a's I was seeing on ebay for more money than the one I bought with a good screen), I had to watch it at 1080p on my alienware M17X R3 so it looked better.
I know HDR mastering is very difficult and they have made many videos on it and how they want to try and bring it into their workflow. With that said, I have to agree with the other replies to this comment, I don't think their completely ready yet for mass distribution of HDR content, and as far as I'm aware, you can't disable it on the UA-cam app
There is that moth-eye glass that removes a lot of glare. I'm surprised that monitors haven't started using that. The tech has been around for a while. I think the expensive model of the steam deck uses it but they called it etched glass. I think Linus even covered it in some old CES videos. Or even basic anti-glare like CRT monitors have would be great.
I'm 100% Team Matte, sorry Linus. I had a 43" 4k HDR1000 glossy monitor (Philips Momentum) for work (web development) and for gaming. The HDR was pretty nice, but the glossy finish made it a nightmare to use with any light source; I had to hang dark curtains over the window behind me. After 1.5 years, that monitor bit the dust. It was still under warranty, but that model of monitor was no longer available, so they replaced it with a close match: a matte, HDR400 43" 4K. Despite the loss in HDR intensity, I would never, EVER go back to a glossy monitor; the matte finish was a godsend, both for work and for play. Keep in mind, unlike most people, you are comparing two otherwise-identical monitors side by side, and seeing the more vibrant colors of the glossy monitor as preferable. But for most people, they won't have something to compare the increased vibrancy of a glossy monitor with. All they'll see is annoying reflections, or-if they were wise-the lack thereof. ;) We'll just have to agree to disagree. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yep shiny monitors are nice in a completly dark room or if you want to waste energy and burn your eyes out by turning the brightness up until nothing reflects anymore, which also doesn't work if you want to show anything dark.
I agree. My last Laptop had a glare type display. As soon as there was sunlight (working outside or even behind a Window), is was basicly unusable. Never again.
Going from HDR1000 to HDR400 is where I feel like you got screwed. I also prefer matte to be fair. But an HDR1000 monitor costs a lot more than an HDR400 does. I desperately tried to find even an HDR600 for under 500 and just could not. I ended up with an Acer Predator X34GS with HDR400 and the lack of brightness makes me prefer to keep it in the DCI color space rather than HDR. That being said, Windows HDR has always been pretty subpar. As far as matte goes, you just don't want glare on a monitor you'll be in front of every day. Matte is definitely the way to go.
We need more etched glass displays like the 512 Steam Deck. That is the perfect midpoint between glossy and matte. The light diffusion isn't nearly as aggressive as matte coatings but it blurs the reflections enough so that they aren't distracting are hard on the eyes.
Absolutely I would be on board with this. But glossy... I hate that I can't find a matte quality TV that isn't glossy... Regardless of how bright it is I'm forced to turn the room it's in into a cave. But etch, that would be a very good option
I'm into there more being consumer choice, but I'm a mate person. Seeing my face back when interfacing with any dark mode ui is just not acceptable. I think TVs are okay because you're much further away, and you're not hyperfocused on some pixels. There's also the issue of focusing distance. If I look towards a glossy reflection, they'll be out of focus, my eyes adjust, and the screen is now out of focus. Mate screens aren't out of focus, they're just diffused, much easier for me to tune out.
Exactly. Having a sharp reflection covering your display is far more distracting than a flat shape. Glossy *does* look sharper, but unless you're in a perfectly light controlled room I'm going to prefer matte any day.
@@monkeywithocd I feel like a lot of gamers have a perfectly light controlled room for their rigs. I know I do and I hate the matte finish, my MacBooks screen is great why does my desktops suck?
On the industry trend to not include display cables: start using the cheapest thing you can find on Amazon or Walmart and basing your review on that. Most consumers are going to do just that when they don't have a cable included so that activity should just be how they are reviewed. After a couple embarrassing reviews, maybe the practice will stop.
Is not including a display cable with your monitor even a bad thing? Because I do not use the included cable, and if I bought a new one I would continue to use the ones that I already have. Unlike not including a charger with a phone it doesn't seem like it is to bad.
But should they include hdmi or dp? in a perfect world they would include a reversable hdmi to dp cable (dell does or did include a mini-dp to dp cable)
@@Ocastia eh unless you have a massive collection of cables that logic doesn't really work... most people don't have high-end hdmi cables for examples, or at least ones that actually work
It is tough, but depends a lot from person to person, I prefer to loose a bit of sharp image than having a sunlight bouncing in my screen and disturbing my things, I had a glossy in crt and I prefer 100% a matte display
additional consideration: glossy panels have a tendency to reflect the user's face in dark scenes, which can be pretty annoying (I have this problem playing on my nintendo switch undocked a lot)
The main problem with EVE / Dough Sepctrum is that they don't really exist unless you're a reviewer. I ordered one in May 2022. Nothing. They won't refund either, and if you live in the US or UK, you have no way of getting it back. They will just steel your money. That's it 1146 Euros on something that will never turn up. THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THIEVES. That's it really.
This is all well and good... Except as soon as you have a bad reflection you literally cannot read or see anything on the screen. I have no issues with matte screens in my living room. With gloss screens, many times throughout the day I literally cannot see the screen. I'm not sure how your testing doesn't reflect this. No pun intended.
@@liuzhaoqi2003 I literally keep my computer in a pop up tent surrounded by black acoustic blankets for sound proofing, I’m the extreme minority and one of the only people who could benefit from this…. And even I don’t want it, because even in those conditions, my glossy phone glares too much
Exactly! I'd rather have my screen washed out but still viewable on every part then having a little bit of the screen perfectly viewable and the rest completely blown out with sharp reflections.
I don't give a toss if the colours are not that accurate when it looks like a mirror with light behind me. Main reason why we don't see mate finish on phones and other devices is because they are touch screens and mate finish is harder to clean and scratches are more noticeable.
Right. And size is also a factor. When I start seeing reflections on my phone I can just change the angle to minimize them. I'd still prefer my phone, like my pc screen, with an anti-glare coating though.
I'm glad you've touched on this subject. I've been frustrated for years that there's very minimal glossy finish screens on the market. They're just flat out better. I have two 32 inch 1440p panels at my desk. One newer 144Hz gaming one with a matte finish, and one older 60Hz content creation one with a glossy finish. Both are colour calibrated. The older, glossy one smacks the matte one for just pure enjoyment. It's sharper, has none of the 'grit' that is associated with the matte coatings, and colours just look better despite measuring similarly. The perceived contrast ratio appears higher too. Just makes no sense why they went away. If you can use a glass screen outdoors, and we all do; you can use a glossy monitor indoors. I don't want matte screens to disappear as some people will obviously prefer them, but I would like to be able to buy a good quality high refresh glossy computer monitor, from any brand without hassle.
Yea this is also true, not all glossy screens are created equal. At least with matte you know what you are getting. Especially in the monitor industry where R&D budgets are probably a small fraction of what they are in the phone/TV industry, the quality of the anti-glare coating is probably a bit more of a gamble.
@@GENKI_INU The point of a glossy screen is that they use glass instead of plastic for the screen. But usually the glass still has some sort of treatment applied to reduce reflections. Not entirely sure how they work, probably some hardcore physics going on. But they can drastically cut down on reflections vs just bare glass.
@@nerdstrangler4804 That's the thing. The only real non-exotic option for anti-glare treatment on screens is literally roughening of the surface itself (matte). I'm inclined to believe most glass screens (especially touchscreens), aren't treated with anti-glare or they would rub off in case of touchscreens, or you could easily tell it was treated: Think of prescription eye-glasses where the reflection color turns a reddish-purple green tint. I've never seen a glass screen that has been coated this way, or has these properties. I can't even be sure there's a good way to anti-glare a glass screen that doesn't defeat the purpose of the clarity, or cause the manufacturer to choose a matte finish anyway, unless it's a touchscreen where a smooth glass finish is basically the only option.
@@GENKI_INU You may be right about touch screens, I don't know. But RTINGS has a specific category where they measure reflections. For instance, here is what they said about the LG C2: "The LG C2 has superb reflection handling. The glossy finish significantly reduces the intensity of direct reflections, so glare isn't an issue. The anti-reflective coating on the screen adds a purple tint to it, but this doesn't impact image quality." Or here is what they said about the Samsung QN90B QLED: "The Samsung QN90B has superb reflection handling. The glossy coating significantly reduces the intensity of direct reflections, so glare isn't as distracting. Sadly, like many glossy coatings, bright lights cause a rainbow smear across the screen, which can be distracting even if the lights aren't directly opposite the TV, including overhead lights. Note that the 43 inch and 50 inch models have a different anti-reflective coating and have worse reflection handling." So as you can see anti-reflection coatings are quite common these days and can vary quite a bit, even within the same product line. For instance, in the case of the 43 and 50 inch QN90B it sounds like they had to go with a cheaper option in order to hit the lower price point. You can even see at 10:50 in this video when he puts the macbook air down next to the monitor, just how differently the reflection of his arm looks between the two.
I hate glossy displays. I ended up painting the back wall of my living room dark gray because of them and unless you absolutely black out the room you can see every single thing on the table or the couch when a slightly dark scene comes on.
Ive had past glossy gaming displays and was much happier swapping to a matte display. Yes the glossy looked a tiny bit better to the eye, but i do game during the day, and i dont like gaming in a basement or in a room with no natural light so the matte is just superior imo.
@@Grishanof Yeah, people underestimate how distracting lights/reflections/movement in peripheral vision is, and a glossy monitor is pretty much in your face, reflecting everything behind you. Unless people drown that out by setting it to full brightness but then they are probably already blind anyway.
Same here. It's not like matte displays are completely trash. And as someone with ADHD, I'm surprised the distraction of reflections isn't something that affects Linus more. Personally I'll trade the slightly worse image for way better reflection handling everyday. And it seems that either most people agree or manufactures are shoving matte displays down our throats. It seems to me that most people don't have as complete control over the light and movement in their environments as Linus is assuming. Anyone with ceiling fan they need to stay comfortable with a light attached to it probably agrees with this.
I've always hated glossy displays, even on phones. As with just a small amount of black or dark colors all I see is my reflection. Back in about 2015 I had a laptop that had a matte screen which broke, which I sent in for repair. They replaced the screen with a glossy one and I was legitimately annoyed.
Yeah I like matte glass protectors on my phone screens. The glare/reflection in bright areas is unbearable to me. Plus matte doesn't get greasy smudges as bad as gloss and it feels better under-finger.
I remember (some) glossy screens being available at some point when LCD monitors were still young. Back then - due to panel brightness being lower, everyone I knew absolutely preferred matte though - to the point of outright shunning glossy displays. I don't think they sold well - and that might be the reason, why manufacturers stopped making them.
I came to make this comment. I remember glossy being extremely bad because all the monitors were dark. That was the whole reason to have the computer cave, CRTs couldn't handle any daylight. Sometime after LED backlighting came in, that changed and I'm willing to accept the Linus opinion that it might be OK, if you expect the display to overpower the light. I'm pretty happy with matte right now, though, and old enough to say "this isn't broke, I don't need to fix it."
I feel like the screen finish is an incredibly individual thing. I personally absolutely abhor any kind of glare and reflections, so switching to a matte display was a godsend to me. I feel like the rather negligible reduction in vibrancy and contrast is well worth it, and there is just no going back for me.
To me the contrast is not negligably worse but vastly worse. It's even more exaggerated now in the age of HDR. The sharpness drop also made the transition to 4K look pointless as sharpness being lower for matte displays basically ruins the benefits of 4K. I don't see pixels no, but I do see this awful snowflaking effect over the entire screen. Extremely noticeable when the background moves and is one color like when you're playing a game and you move the camera.
I'll continue using matte monitors until they randomly decide to stop making them. I've tried a glossy monitor during the day, night, and with zero lights on, and I hated it no matter the situation I'm in. They just don't work for my room or for me in general. I sent back the glossy TV the next day after using it.
As someone is photosensitive i'm glad that most desktop screens are matte finish as gives me the option to get the best. I'm not saying gloss doesn't have its place and yes it looks better but can't be a replacement, which I'm afraid many will do if they start shipping with a gloss finish
nobody is taking matte screens from you damn it. But would it hurt you personally if we actually had glossy options on the market? If *other* people got what they wanted? Seems like it would huh?
Gaming in the dark ended up giving me eye migraines. Can't really recommend that experience. Would happily never see a glossy display on any device, so it can be used with some light in the room
Yeah, common solutions to the glare effect of glossy screens seem to be 'turn off the lights' or 'turn up the brightness' both just burn out my eyes in no time. No thanks.
Been wanting a glossy monitor for over a decade, they look so much better. Its frustrating how there are no options on the market - thank you for covering the issue.
As someone who prefers matte, this comparison felt kind of skewed. Reflections on a large screen in dark scenes where there is enough light from the bright parts of the media are enough to see your own reflection (even without HDR). Immersion breaking.
Big Glossy monitor fan here, it's one of the reason why I'm sticking to my really really old Qnix 27 and Hazro WD27D screens. IPS & Glossy, no distracting ugly coating on them and it helps the colours pop. I just took care not to my monitor opposite to a window catching the sun and reflection have never really been a problem. No matter how crappy this brand may be, if they manage to convince some other manufacturers to start making glossy screens I'm all for it. It has always bugged me how there's almost no glossy options for PC monitors, a device you set up in a way where the sun isn't a problem. Yet for devices you carry around and often end up using either directly in the sun or near bright lightsources e.g. smartphones and laptops have almost no matte options.
Having used both glossy and matte displays over the years, I will never buy a gloss display ever. The lower contrast of a matte display is a small price to pay to be free from hard reflections.
Portable displays like on phones, tablets, watches, etc. are easy to move around until you can find an angle that doesn't have glare problems. PC monitors? Yeah, I'm sticking with my matte screens. Honestly even on laptops I still prefer matte - you can't always find the perfect angle with them.
I got a aw3423dwf which has a coating that's in between glossy and matte. I've heard mixed things about it from reviewers, monitor's unboxed said it was the worst coating ever: "combining the worst aspects of both". But in my experience, it's such an improvement. The screen just looks so much cleaner... It's like I cleaned years worth of dust off the screen. The matte coating literally looks like built-in dust... And I'm coming from an asus rog PG27UQ which is a really high quality display with a higher pixel density and luminance. I can imagine wanting a matte coating on a laptop, I remember being a college student and needing to use my laptop in all kinds of bright, busy, public places, sometimes in direct sunlight. I am glad I had a matte finish for that. But that's productivity, not gaming, and it's mobile. For a stationary, media-focused display, glossy feels like the obvious choice. Even in my lit room with windows, the glossier coating is better. Light is only an issue if the light is literally directly behind the screen
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As someone who have lived through a few eras where matte displays was rare all I have say would be expletives about the idea of wanting to introduce more glossy. That my TV is glossy is something that annoys me even more than its sucky colour accuracy. To quickly reveal just how horrible idea glossy is you can try this; set it up with a bright-coloured wall (white painted/wallpappered) within about 3-4m behind you, and to make this issue even worse add something framed on that wall, or a door with different colours (let's say - it being open, or still having a wood colour). But I admit this was more of an issue in the CRT days (when the display itself was a major light source to light up the wall behind you), but even a modern laptop where you are in a dark room with a bright-coloured wall near you it shows up (and this is a lot worse in dark rooms). So, yeah, glossy still gets an "only in absence of matte, and that only if I can't skip out on it completly" from me. (Then again, computer monitor usage for me are primarily text-focused - so I need uniformity (or smooth transitions) above all else). But yes, it is a "your usage will vary" situation, the best would probably be if there was a monitor with an electrochromatic layer to make the matte user-selectable - but beyond that it basically comes down to "soo, what's your take on anti-aliasing?"
This is one of your best videos in a while. To the point, excelent flow, a lot of helping visuals. I hope you return to this format instead watching the hosts conversation. Good one.
why can't a mainstream manufacturer make a glossy monitor this feature complete with a minimal design?? the only reason i havent bought this is bc of how unreliable Dough is
I always use an ambient light behind my monitor and I hate seeing my reflection in dark scenes. I do actually wish I had a matte screen on my phone, if swiping on it felt at least OK. I hope manufacturers don't move back to the awful glossy finish. Then again, I am strong protan colourblind, so I don't really care about colours that subjectively "pop" more.
I used to have really matted monitor, but newer one "matted" was so glossy that I had to change my black backgrounds in file manager to lighter one because I could see myself in it Glossy screen? No, thank you
This is what I noticed immediately when I moved from a Windows laptop to a Macbook. Monitors now have a high enough nit count for glossy finishes to be justified.
I love the HDR, but on my phone (samsung galaxy s10) I'm burning out my eyes because it goes to max brightness and cant be adjusted and in a dark room it is way too bright! I know this is not your problem but you might have a better connection to the dev team of youtube.
Am on s10+ and the brightness just Varies looool like it's eye searing when they show a white website but the brightness goes down when on a scene with a black background.
My personal preference is matte rather than glossy screens. My eyes feel more comfortable with them because I don't have to constantly darken the room, they don't have annoying reflections and at the same time matte screens are easier to keep clean than glossy ones.
Yes. Thanks. That's it. It's so much easier to tune out random distracting reflections with a matte ime. Took me several weeks to adjust to glossy panels.
I am lucky enough to have received my matte finish one in January after waiting for over 16 months. Their communication was abysmal and as Linus said, their attitude feels like a big fat middle finger in your face. It also has it's fair share of bugs, even after the updates they have pushed lately. Even one where my screen temporarily burned in after watching HDR content for a few minutes. After 2 hours, the burn in disappeared luckily but I got scared to bits. However, if the display works and you have it in front of you... Oh man. I genuinely love it. But until they get their Dough together and ship these things immediately after ordering, avoid at all costs!
A monitor should not have bugs at all. The fact that it's firmware upgradable is a negative for a monitor. It means that the company doesn't care enough to do proper testing of products before shipping.
Hmm this video really had a disconnect with, a bona fide gamer. I find it impossible to tune out reflections with glossy screens, and in super bright environments like being outside in the midday sun, my previous glossy laptop was literally unusable. My new one has an anti glare screen, and its fidelity is far better in almost every case (except utter darkness, which sucks for your eyes anyways so I never do that).
Hey Linus Team. I like the HDR but it burns my eyes away if I try to watch it late in bed. Just wanted you to know that it might not be the best option since the UA-cam user can't turn it off.
Honestly.. seeing my unblurred face staring back ruins immersion far more than a slight pop in the daylight which disappears at dark Edit: thanks goodness for some sane LTT employees that agree that the blur allows your brain to do some wild reflection deleting that does not happen in gloss when you see eyes
I love glossy monitors. I think they look blacker because your brain is able to separate the reflections from the picture, partly due to each eye getting a slightly different reflection for the same area. Your brain can then disregard the reflection when interpreting the image. A matte finish causes a haze that is indistinguishable from the image.
I'm assuming spectrophotometer would return basically the same result between the monitors because it is so close to the screen. The coating looks cloudy to the eye at viewing distance but looking at the coating through a microscope shows its completely clear.
It's definitely a personal preference but for me the sharp reflection is an absolute no no. The only reason I accept it in TV set is that nobody seems to be selling 75" non-glossy screens with acceptable panel quality.
currently watching this on the eve spectrum. i preordered the 4K 144hz and received it about a week after sending the finalized payment. i received it august 2 of 2021. i will admit that before i preordered i was nervous about buying the monitor but i haven't had any issues with them
I used to have a glossy monitor when I was a kid, and honestly I hated every second of using it because any dark part of the screen reflected everything, and any amount of light in the room (especially the sun coming through the window) it became impossible to see anything on the screen. I refuse to use a glossy screen for gaming, and if the matte finish ever goes away, I will put it back on. Glossy screens on phones and watches is fine because those are constantly being touched and the finish would probably be destroyed anyways, so there isn't much point in having it there in the first place. From my experience as a kid, glossy monitors are a really stupid idea and really suck to use if there is any light in the room, even the backlight on keyboards will reflect and be annoying as hell
Dell's glossy screens gave me motion sickness and headaches. Tried two different technologies on a XPS15 with the same result. Ended up with a Zephyrus M16. Not sure if the ASUS screen does something different or if I require a matte screen in order to use computers 🤷♂️
I've had too many bad experiences with glossy displays (used to be a Mac person) to ever consider going back. The slightly better image quality doesn't matter if all you can see is a reflection of what's going on outside. Not everyone wants blackout curtains in every room. I can rotate my phone pretty easily, I don't want to be constantly adjusting my monitor throughout the day as the sun moves.
Do not give this company any of your money. I originally pre-ordered a Spectrum QHD 280Hz back in 2021 for $100. In July of 2022 I paid an additional $565.95 as it was supposedly about to ship. Didn't happen. I finally got fed up and cancelled my order on 10/23. Dough support said I should have a refund within 20 days on 10/24. Guess what? NO REFUND YET. They are *literal* criminals.
when I found out the alienware 34 oled was glossy I knew I wanted one immediately. used to have a 1440p 27 inch glossy monitor and I really miss how it looked, but there was no glossy ultrawide.
Thank you for covering the glossy monitor issue. I don't understand why I don't have any options for a glossy panel but I can get almost any combination of hz and resolutionand HDR and micro organic dots or whatever. I really hope this video sparks a change in the market. I'm looking at you, LG. You already did the work for one panel just let me buy it without having to go through a scam company please and thanks.
15 years ago we didn't understand why we didn't have any options either and everything was glossy garbage... Thanks fucking god these dark ages were behind us but it seems we're going back to cheap marketing aimed at normies... I'd fucking kill for a matte display on iPad so it's actually not completely useless paperweight outside, even on a cloudy day...
@@Micromation Well, that's what options are for. Everyone should be able to buy what they prefer and not be locked into what someone else dictates is "right." Manufacturers are already putting out several variations in size, resolution, refresh rate, etc. so I don't see why a variation as relatively simple as a panel treatment can't be an option.
I made it a point to buy my old MacBook Pro in anti glare but that’s because I was DJing at clubs back then and I noticed on my gloss screen the strobing lights and lasers was incredibly distracting. But that’s a very small use case
how does blurred reflection translate to a better anti reflection? it doesn’t imo and in this case the light is even covering more parts of the screen because of the anti reflective coating making it more spread
I remember back in the 2000s that all we had were glossy screens and the gaming community was demanding matte, it seems to be circling back the other way. Much prefer matte cannot handle reflections, given my home situation it would be distracting as all heck.
Lucky buyer over here. I ordered on in 2019 right after LMG dropped a video about it. I got it early in 2022 and was surprised to even see it. Display is great, but they REALLY need to work out their shipping issues. This is worse than the Steam Deck (went from Q2 -> Q4 as they kept pushing my unit back). It's not mindblowing though. To anyone who actually wants one, it can be annoying. For one, I can't hit 144hz 4K over type C or HDMI despite having devices that meet spec and can output that resolution. The only way to hit it was with Display Port and specifically Display Port to Type C for my laptops. Desktops required Display Port as well. This is somewhat of a bummer and annoying. The OSD is a pain and updating the monitor is (as mentioned) scary. Would recommend people buy one of the higher end Asus monitors or a nice LG one with a glossy finish if you want glossy. Avoid Eve for now till they iron out this crap and fix their support for HDMI 2.1 and DP over Type C.
I can confirm the long queues on this item. I bought the Eve monitor late 2020 and I still haven't received it. A few weeks ago I cancelled my order and still have not received my money back from it. So yes. Long queues. I've waited around 20 months for this monitor and I had still no idea when they were going to deliver it so I just gave up on it.
gloss screens making displays look more vibrant being "better" is entirely subjective. personally i prefer matte screens not because of glare. i prefer matte because i like the paper texture look and the more soft colors. glossy isnt "better" from a color depth perspective for some people. i do very much enjoy the pastel-y softer colors.
Ever since I saw the Samsung CRG90 on LTT, I’ve never been happier with a monitor and can’t recommend it enough. 32:9 at 5120x1440 at 120hz is amazing, and they have released better models since.
I think this is one of the most real, relatable, and well-done LTT videos in ages. It felt like true consumer focused review with specs and details that people ACTUALLY care about. Not that other videos have info that go into info that people don't care about, just that they can be a little in the weeds for my taste. But seriously, guys, this is perfect stuff.
I really like the HDR upload on this video. It surprised the hell out of me lol. I normally watch everything on my 16in M1Max MBP and since HDR is pretty much not a thing for most UA-camrs I am used to seeing the 500nit max brightness most of the time. But right out of the gate with the text overlays at the start of this video I could tell the massive difference in peek brightness really making this video pop a lot more and sure enough when I looked at that gear icon there was HDR. I enjoyed this a lot. My only compalint is that with HDR, screens with solid white, like when you showed certain tech specs during the video is blinding bright. Not sure if that could be taken into account and maybe grayed up a bit or not.
For someone like Linus who is so in love with himself, of course he loves the glossy screen, because he love to see himself on the display. I'm joking by the way.
So glad I dodged the bullet. I pre-ordered this monitor back in 2020, asked for a refund once I smelled a scam brewing and surprisingly got my money back months after. Stay away from this company. There are many who still have not received their monitors or their refunds. I don't understand why there isn't more exposure on how bad this company is.
I fully believed in the Eve proposition back in the day and dropped a non-insignificant amount of cash on a loaded i7 EVE V. Sadly, although I was one of the lucky ones and after a ridiculous delay eventually received one of the first 500 units, I've been left very disappointed. The unit is not perfect, and my keyboard died a long time ago. The problem with small batch manufacturers is the total lack of spare parts inventory, an issue I wouldn't have if I had just bought a Surface. I'm still using the tablet for travel, but with a 3rd party keyboard. It's such a shame, my name is even stamped on the inside of the packaging as I took part in the decision-making along the way. They will never get rid of their history of taking people's money and not delivering. I could never part money with this company again, and sadly recommend that others do not either. They will rebrand, and disappear at the drop of a hat - claiming that EVE/Dough that you bought from, is a different legal entity to who they are today. Warranty with them is worth nothing.
Regardless of Eve changing their name to "Dough" I would like to reiterate that no one should put any money into that company. I pre-ordered one of their 1440p240hz panels like 2 years ago (got refunded thankfully!) But they still haven't started shipping any of them! They started taking pre-ordered 3.5years ago for those!
Meanwhile they went "here's a glossy screen does anyone want?".
I’m currently one of these “patiently waiting customers” you described.
>I preordered.
Found the problem.
yeah, i dont get why this company still gets coverage regardless of "muh glossy ips panels" when they have an abysmal track record. have seen so many posts online about people not receiving any products they ordered years ago.
I'm "waiting" for it and i've already paid for the monitor entirely.... LG made a panel change and it caused them to go back to the drawing board... Driving me crazy...
@@Psyopcyclops incredibly irresponsible of these youtubers to promote them even with the "caveats" they highlight in the videos when there's a high chance you dont even get a product when you buy from them.
If this company could sort themselves out I’d love to buy one of these
until then it’s a hard pass
Wassup Chippy
Just saw your post about Red getting banned and thought I was losing my mind for a second.
beans
its chippin' time
@@Psyopcyclops He literally just said it in the video so why you acting like he knows this and didn't say anything about it?
The biggest problem with gaming monitors is that all manufacturers want to charge money for their products, and I don't have any of that :/
You wouldn't pirate a gaming monitor
Same
Crt their free just go down to your local e waste center and collect.
Or local listings.
Haha poor.
In the words of George Carlin... "Twenty bucks, is twenty bucks"
I personally prefer an eggshell finish because its scuff and stain resistance
Someone watched his paint rant.
Thanks for the laugh.
:D
EGGSHELL ON THE WALLS
Let's see -Paul Allan's card- Linus's paint finish.
...Eggshell with Romalian type. _heavy sweating_ Impressive. Very nice.
I agree, satin's the best
If we had glossy gaming monitors we'd be able to see our sad depressing selves slowly dying behind the monitor every now and then, an absolutely terrifying sight. That is why they're mostly all matte.
3500+ languages but you chose to speak fax.
get your fucking shit together then, maybe it's a blessing in disguise.
yet phones most people arguably look way more often at are glossy.
@@TabalugaDragon They don't queue for League of Legends matches on their phones though
@@Daniel_WR_Hart lol, so? people still have to read small text, watch videos and often play different games on a reflective screen, yet on phones almost nobody sees a problem. Yet a gaming monitor, that is only used indoors is for some reason a problem.
The HDR grading in this video was phenomenal. Looked much better than the first HDR video you guys did a few weeks ago. Great job LTT video editors!
The SDR grading in this video was atrocious. Looked barely watchable. Great job LTT video editors!
So LTT is finally doing some HDR videos? I didn’t notice, and probably won’t.
what, wtf
Its HDR? Sigh... I should be watching on my PC rather than this crap work mac which still doesn't know HDR exists.
HDR looks like shit on my s20 and I can't turn it off :(
One thing to remember is that a lot of displays that feature capacitive touch aren't able to be made in matte finish due to that finish impeding touch sensitivity or accuracy, so laptop displays with touch will almost always be glossy. One thing that I would like to see is more companies using higher quality anti-reflection and anti-glare coatings on their glass. Leica has demonstrated in some of their smartphone collaborations that it is possible to almost completely eliminate glare and reflections from glass through the application of appropriate coatings. I'd like for companies to invest more research dollars on doing this for their displays as well. Televisions, monitors, and even laptop screens and phone screens could benefit from additional coating technologies to prevent glare, reflections, and even oils from your skin being deposited on them. If you don't think the last one is an issue, try using some tempered glass screen protectors that lack an oleophobic coating. You legitimately HAVE to use a wet lens cleaning cloth to get the oils off of the glass. But the typical oleophobic coatings that most smartphones have aren't even the final form of that technology. You can still do better, though more research and development will need to be done to ensure that such coatings can improve performance without becoming either less transparent or more delicate.
I've applied matte film on top of touch glass panel of my laptop, touch feature works great, also no visible fingerprints is a plus, obviously - no reflections, but blacks aren't that deep anymore.
A glossy finish probably helps sharpness at such small display scales too, since the matte finish is there to scatter light. Which is fine if you're viewing from a foot and a half away, but not so much if you've got a phone a few inches from your face.
Well MacBooks are non-touch AND glossy, and their Mini-LED Anti-Reflective display is the best on the market.
@@lars2894 Apple generally has had the best displays on the market from a color calibration perspective. Even back in the early 2010's when I was buying my first laptop to go off to college they had the best looking displays. And now they have MiniLED tech which just makes them that much better. OLED-like performance with less risk of burn-in compared to the 1st gen OLED that many other laptop manufacturers occasionally offer in their products. At least Apple wants to give their displays a chance to live a while without burn-in, which is nice, given that replacement panels are basically unobtanium.
Samsung did it on their s24 ultra
Love the fact that HDR monitor review is in HDR. Looks way better and I can honestly tell what they are actually seeing to some degree. Hope that this trend continues. Linus rocks
I do not, the video did not look good on my pixel 3a at 1080p and the display kept going past the brightness level I set in the OS (I keep my display brightness as low as I can to keep it from turning dark red like some of the other pixel 3a's I was seeing on ebay for more money than the one I bought with a good screen), I had to watch it at 1080p on my alienware M17X R3 so it looked better.
I noticed that this vídeo has a lot of noise. You can see even on the windows wallpaper, that make no sense to me.
I hate it. HDR bumps my brightness to 100%. If I would like to see bright content I would increase brightness myself
I know HDR mastering is very difficult and they have made many videos on it and how they want to try and bring it into their workflow. With that said, I have to agree with the other replies to this comment, I don't think their completely ready yet for mass distribution of HDR content, and as far as I'm aware, you can't disable it on the UA-cam app
tfw my phone has HDR but my monitor doesn't... 2poor4hdr
There is that moth-eye glass that removes a lot of glare. I'm surprised that monitors haven't started using that. The tech has been around for a while. I think the expensive model of the steam deck uses it but they called it etched glass. I think Linus even covered it in some old CES videos. Or even basic anti-glare like CRT monitors have would be great.
I'm 100% Team Matte, sorry Linus. I had a 43" 4k HDR1000 glossy monitor (Philips Momentum) for work (web development) and for gaming. The HDR was pretty nice, but the glossy finish made it a nightmare to use with any light source; I had to hang dark curtains over the window behind me.
After 1.5 years, that monitor bit the dust. It was still under warranty, but that model of monitor was no longer available, so they replaced it with a close match: a matte, HDR400 43" 4K.
Despite the loss in HDR intensity, I would never, EVER go back to a glossy monitor; the matte finish was a godsend, both for work and for play.
Keep in mind, unlike most people, you are comparing two otherwise-identical monitors side by side, and seeing the more vibrant colors of the glossy monitor as preferable. But for most people, they won't have something to compare the increased vibrancy of a glossy monitor with. All they'll see is annoying reflections, or-if they were wise-the lack thereof. ;)
We'll just have to agree to disagree. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I agree. Also, on my curved monitor with a glossy screen, when there are dark scenes in games the reflection makes me very sick due to the curve
Yep matte is superior to my eyes too. Used laptops with glossy screens and they sucked.
Yep shiny monitors are nice in a completly dark room or if you want to waste energy and burn your eyes out by turning the brightness up until nothing reflects anymore, which also doesn't work if you want to show anything dark.
I agree. My last Laptop had a glare type display. As soon as there was sunlight (working outside or even behind a Window), is was basicly unusable. Never again.
Going from HDR1000 to HDR400 is where I feel like you got screwed. I also prefer matte to be fair. But an HDR1000 monitor costs a lot more than an HDR400 does. I desperately tried to find even an HDR600 for under 500 and just could not. I ended up with an Acer Predator X34GS with HDR400 and the lack of brightness makes me prefer to keep it in the DCI color space rather than HDR. That being said, Windows HDR has always been pretty subpar. As far as matte goes, you just don't want glare on a monitor you'll be in front of every day. Matte is definitely the way to go.
We need more etched glass displays like the 512 Steam Deck. That is the perfect midpoint between glossy and matte. The light diffusion isn't nearly as aggressive as matte coatings but it blurs the reflections enough so that they aren't distracting are hard on the eyes.
Probably mega expensive to do that on a 27” display or so
just get the pro display xdr
@@jaju123456 hard to say as Apple is the only company doing it and they charge $1,000. But they also charge $1,000 for a stand so...
Absolutely I would be on board with this. But glossy... I hate that I can't find a matte quality TV that isn't glossy... Regardless of how bright it is I'm forced to turn the room it's in into a cave. But etch, that would be a very good option
I'm into there more being consumer choice, but I'm a mate person.
Seeing my face back when interfacing with any dark mode ui is just not acceptable.
I think TVs are okay because you're much further away, and you're not hyperfocused on some pixels.
There's also the issue of focusing distance. If I look towards a glossy reflection, they'll be out of focus, my eyes adjust, and the screen is now out of focus.
Mate screens aren't out of focus, they're just diffused, much easier for me to tune out.
Exactly. Having a sharp reflection covering your display is far more distracting than a flat shape. Glossy *does* look sharper, but unless you're in a perfectly light controlled room I'm going to prefer matte any day.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 How is this guy not just plain banned yet, everywhere.
UA-cam, sort your shit out
I am for displays that looks good regardless of lighting level. But I preferred ones that doesn't reflect light.
@@dumboy886 they didn't break any TOS, its just annoying spam
@@monkeywithocd I feel like a lot of gamers have a perfectly light controlled room for their rigs. I know I do and I hate the matte finish, my MacBooks screen is great why does my desktops suck?
On the industry trend to not include display cables: start using the cheapest thing you can find on Amazon or Walmart and basing your review on that. Most consumers are going to do just that when they don't have a cable included so that activity should just be how they are reviewed. After a couple embarrassing reviews, maybe the practice will stop.
That’s actually a good idea
In my sample size of one, the last 3 monitors I bought included cables. So I don't know how much of a trend it really is!
Is not including a display cable with your monitor even a bad thing?
Because I do not use the included cable, and if I bought a new one I would continue to use the ones that I already have.
Unlike not including a charger with a phone it doesn't seem like it is to bad.
But should they include hdmi or dp?
in a perfect world they would include a reversable hdmi to dp cable (dell does or did include a mini-dp to dp cable)
@@Ocastia eh unless you have a massive collection of cables that logic doesn't really work... most people don't have high-end hdmi cables for examples, or at least ones that actually work
It is tough, but depends a lot from person to person, I prefer to loose a bit of sharp image than having a sunlight bouncing in my screen and disturbing my things, I had a glossy in crt and I prefer 100% a matte display
yeah me too. i stare at my desktop screen for multiple hours straight. not so with my phone, watch, ...
Dim the lights...
@@EikottXD dim the sun in the office...
funny that you say that, matte is just as unusable in a sunny room.
@@pelmeshker the topic is gaming monitors, not office monitors. Nobody is saying we need glossy finish on those.
additional consideration: glossy panels have a tendency to reflect the user's face in dark scenes, which can be pretty annoying (I have this problem playing on my nintendo switch undocked a lot)
I think its INCREDIBLE immersion breaking when i see my ugly face every time the screen turns black. Glossy is a no no.
He mentioned it in the video
Also a scary experience in Resident Evil 2
Unexpected jump scares
They can still sell them if you aren't white
I have a Samsung G9, and I think if there was any light source behind me with a glossy screen, I think I wouldnt have eyes anymore!
Well for touch displays it’s kind of necessary. If your phone screen had a matte coating, it would feel like trying to swipe sandpaper.
@@arcticowl1091 the G9 is a gaming monitor that the OP is referencing, not a phone.
@@Spetz83 re-read his comment.
@@Spetz83 i read samsung and my brain just went "durr, smartphone", my bad.
The main problem with EVE / Dough Sepctrum is that they don't really exist unless you're a reviewer. I ordered one in May 2022. Nothing. They won't refund either, and if you live in the US or UK, you have no way of getting it back. They will just steel your money. That's it 1146 Euros on something that will never turn up. THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THIEVES. That's it really.
This is all well and good... Except as soon as you have a bad reflection you literally cannot read or see anything on the screen. I have no issues with matte screens in my living room. With gloss screens, many times throughout the day I literally cannot see the screen. I'm not sure how your testing doesn't reflect this. No pun intended.
They have stationary lights, and forgot that in real life light moves. Not that many people live in a windowless studio or basement.
@@liuzhaoqi2003 I literally keep my computer in a pop up tent surrounded by black acoustic blankets for sound proofing, I’m the extreme minority and one of the only people who could benefit from this…. And even I don’t want it, because even in those conditions, my glossy phone glares too much
Exactly! I'd rather have my screen washed out but still viewable on every part then having a little bit of the screen perfectly viewable and the rest completely blown out with sharp reflections.
I got myself a glossy monitor back in 2012, changed only 2 years ago back to a matte one. And clearly, for that very reason, I much prefer matte.
If you're gaming, then you probably are dedicated enough to darken the room
One of the noticeable differences upgrading from my old display to my LG C1 is the glossy finish. It's genuinely so nice.
Feels like the best HDR implementation so far from LTT on my Samsung Q80T tv.
More info: I'm in Filmmaker mode with Warm 1 color tone.
It's a bit dull for me but i also left the standard setting for vibrancy mode on my phone so I'd probably vouch for it being good
I don't give a toss if the colours are not that accurate when it looks like a mirror with light behind me. Main reason why we don't see mate finish on phones and other devices is because they are touch screens and mate finish is harder to clean and scratches are more noticeable.
Right. And size is also a factor. When I start seeing reflections on my phone I can just change the angle to minimize them. I'd still prefer my phone, like my pc screen, with an anti-glare coating though.
I'm glad you've touched on this subject.
I've been frustrated for years that there's very minimal glossy finish screens on the market. They're just flat out better.
I have two 32 inch 1440p panels at my desk. One newer 144Hz gaming one with a matte finish, and one older 60Hz content creation one with a glossy finish. Both are colour calibrated. The older, glossy one smacks the matte one for just pure enjoyment. It's sharper, has none of the 'grit' that is associated with the matte coatings, and colours just look better despite measuring similarly. The perceived contrast ratio appears higher too.
Just makes no sense why they went away.
If you can use a glass screen outdoors, and we all do; you can use a glossy monitor indoors.
I don't want matte screens to disappear as some people will obviously prefer them, but I would like to be able to buy a good quality high refresh glossy computer monitor, from any brand without hassle.
The problem is that matte is pretty universal but glossy could be anyones guess how good the anti-glare coating is, or if it has one at all.
Yea this is also true, not all glossy screens are created equal. At least with matte you know what you are getting. Especially in the monitor industry where R&D budgets are probably a small fraction of what they are in the phone/TV industry, the quality of the anti-glare coating is probably a bit more of a gamble.
I thought the point of a glossy finish is there's no anti-glare coating?
@@GENKI_INU The point of a glossy screen is that they use glass instead of plastic for the screen. But usually the glass still has some sort of treatment applied to reduce reflections.
Not entirely sure how they work, probably some hardcore physics going on. But they can drastically cut down on reflections vs just bare glass.
@@nerdstrangler4804 That's the thing. The only real non-exotic option for anti-glare treatment on screens is literally roughening of the surface itself (matte).
I'm inclined to believe most glass screens (especially touchscreens), aren't treated with anti-glare or they would rub off in case of touchscreens, or you could easily tell it was treated:
Think of prescription eye-glasses where the reflection color turns a reddish-purple green tint. I've never seen a glass screen that has been coated this way, or has these properties.
I can't even be sure there's a good way to anti-glare a glass screen that doesn't defeat the purpose of the clarity, or cause the manufacturer to choose a matte finish anyway, unless it's a touchscreen where a smooth glass finish is basically the only option.
@@GENKI_INU You may be right about touch screens, I don't know. But RTINGS has a specific category where they measure reflections.
For instance, here is what they said about the LG C2:
"The LG C2 has superb reflection handling. The glossy finish significantly reduces the intensity of direct reflections, so glare isn't an issue. The anti-reflective coating on the screen adds a purple tint to it, but this doesn't impact image quality."
Or here is what they said about the Samsung QN90B QLED:
"The Samsung QN90B has superb reflection handling. The glossy coating significantly reduces the intensity of direct reflections, so glare isn't as distracting. Sadly, like many glossy coatings, bright lights cause a rainbow smear across the screen, which can be distracting even if the lights aren't directly opposite the TV, including overhead lights. Note that the 43 inch and 50 inch models have a different anti-reflective coating and have worse reflection handling."
So as you can see anti-reflection coatings are quite common these days and can vary quite a bit, even within the same product line. For instance, in the case of the 43 and 50 inch QN90B it sounds like they had to go with a cheaper option in order to hit the lower price point.
You can even see at 10:50 in this video when he puts the macbook air down next to the monitor, just how differently the reflection of his arm looks between the two.
I hate glossy displays. I ended up painting the back wall of my living room dark gray because of them and unless you absolutely black out the room you can see every single thing on the table or the couch when a slightly dark scene comes on.
Ive had past glossy gaming displays and was much happier swapping to a matte display. Yes the glossy looked a tiny bit better to the eye, but i do game during the day, and i dont like gaming in a basement or in a room with no natural light so the matte is just superior imo.
literally this, not all people live in rgb lit basements
Even if I would sit in the basement, seeing my face reflecting in the black parts of the image is enough to break immersion
@@Grishanof Yeah, people underestimate how distracting lights/reflections/movement in peripheral vision is, and a glossy monitor is pretty much in your face, reflecting everything behind you. Unless people drown that out by setting it to full brightness but then they are probably already blind anyway.
Same here. It's not like matte displays are completely trash. And as someone with ADHD, I'm surprised the distraction of reflections isn't something that affects Linus more. Personally I'll trade the slightly worse image for way better reflection handling everyday. And it seems that either most people agree or manufactures are shoving matte displays down our throats.
It seems to me that most people don't have as complete control over the light and movement in their environments as Linus is assuming. Anyone with ceiling fan they need to stay comfortable with a light attached to it probably agrees with this.
I've always hated glossy displays, even on phones. As with just a small amount of black or dark colors all I see is my reflection.
Back in about 2015 I had a laptop that had a matte screen which broke, which I sent in for repair. They replaced the screen with a glossy one and I was legitimately annoyed.
Yeah I like matte glass protectors on my phone screens. The glare/reflection in bright areas is unbearable to me. Plus matte doesn't get greasy smudges as bad as gloss and it feels better under-finger.
I remember (some) glossy screens being available at some point when LCD monitors were still young. Back then - due to panel brightness being lower, everyone I knew absolutely preferred matte though - to the point of outright shunning glossy displays.
I don't think they sold well - and that might be the reason, why manufacturers stopped making them.
I came to make this comment. I remember glossy being extremely bad because all the monitors were dark. That was the whole reason to have the computer cave, CRTs couldn't handle any daylight. Sometime after LED backlighting came in, that changed and I'm willing to accept the Linus opinion that it might be OK, if you expect the display to overpower the light. I'm pretty happy with matte right now, though, and old enough to say "this isn't broke, I don't need to fix it."
I feel like the screen finish is an incredibly individual thing. I personally absolutely abhor any kind of glare and reflections, so switching to a matte display was a godsend to me. I feel like the rather negligible reduction in vibrancy and contrast is well worth it, and there is just no going back for me.
To me the contrast is not negligably worse but vastly worse. It's even more exaggerated now in the age of HDR. The sharpness drop also made the transition to 4K look pointless as sharpness being lower for matte displays basically ruins the benefits of 4K. I don't see pixels no, but I do see this awful snowflaking effect over the entire screen. Extremely noticeable when the background moves and is one color like when you're playing a game and you move the camera.
I'll continue using matte monitors until they randomly decide to stop making them. I've tried a glossy monitor during the day, night, and with zero lights on, and I hated it no matter the situation I'm in. They just don't work for my room or for me in general. I sent back the glossy TV the next day after using it.
I'll continue using matte monitors even after they stop making them.
Wow you are so cool 🤪
As someone is photosensitive i'm glad that most desktop screens are matte finish as gives me the option to get the best. I'm not saying gloss doesn't have its place and yes it looks better but can't be a replacement, which I'm afraid many will do if they start shipping with a gloss finish
Same, any kind of reflection sucks so much.
nobody is taking matte screens from you damn it. But would it hurt you personally if we actually had glossy options on the market? If *other* people got what they wanted? Seems like it would huh?
Gaming in the dark ended up giving me eye migraines. Can't really recommend that experience. Would happily never see a glossy display on any device, so it can be used with some light in the room
Yeah, common solutions to the glare effect of glossy screens seem to be 'turn off the lights' or 'turn up the brightness' both just burn out my eyes in no time. No thanks.
I love when you upload in 4K HDR. It looks so damn beautiful
Great wordplay with the title!
Been wanting a glossy monitor for over a decade, they look so much better. Its frustrating how there are no options on the market - thank you for covering the issue.
As someone who prefers matte, this comparison felt kind of skewed. Reflections on a large screen in dark scenes where there is enough light from the bright parts of the media are enough to see your own reflection (even without HDR). Immersion breaking.
Big Glossy monitor fan here, it's one of the reason why I'm sticking to my really really old Qnix 27 and Hazro WD27D screens. IPS & Glossy, no distracting ugly coating on them and it helps the colours pop. I just took care not to my monitor opposite to a window catching the sun and reflection have never really been a problem.
No matter how crappy this brand may be, if they manage to convince some other manufacturers to start making glossy screens I'm all for it.
It has always bugged me how there's almost no glossy options for PC monitors, a device you set up in a way where the sun isn't a problem. Yet for devices you carry around and often end up using either directly in the sun or near bright lightsources e.g. smartphones and laptops have almost no matte options.
which qnix is that?... ebay, cough ebay, cough cough.
Have been watching your videos alot lately and totally love them
I'm happy to know the Editor is always there and watching over us
Having used both glossy and matte displays over the years, I will never buy a gloss display ever. The lower contrast of a matte display is a small price to pay to be free from hard reflections.
I like how calmly you spoke in this one.
Portable displays like on phones, tablets, watches, etc. are easy to move around until you can find an angle that doesn't have glare problems. PC monitors? Yeah, I'm sticking with my matte screens. Honestly even on laptops I still prefer matte - you can't always find the perfect angle with them.
there is a reason why they sell matte screen protectors for phones
This is exactly why we need a 32” C2 OLED.
That monitor/TV would be perfection as 42” is still huge IMO.
Yeah I have a 42" OLED TV I use as my main display, and it's basically the size of my whole desk.
Who you call we, the small people here, why needing small screens?
I got a aw3423dwf which has a coating that's in between glossy and matte. I've heard mixed things about it from reviewers, monitor's unboxed said it was the worst coating ever: "combining the worst aspects of both". But in my experience, it's such an improvement. The screen just looks so much cleaner... It's like I cleaned years worth of dust off the screen. The matte coating literally looks like built-in dust... And I'm coming from an asus rog PG27UQ which is a really high quality display with a higher pixel density and luminance. I can imagine wanting a matte coating on a laptop, I remember being a college student and needing to use my laptop in all kinds of bright, busy, public places, sometimes in direct sunlight. I am glad I had a matte finish for that. But that's productivity, not gaming, and it's mobile. For a stationary, media-focused display, glossy feels like the obvious choice. Even in my lit room with windows, the glossier coating is better. Light is only an issue if the light is literally directly behind the screen
I wish there was an option in youtube to disable HDR. My phone can't handle it properly
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As someone who have lived through a few eras where matte displays was rare all I have say would be expletives about the idea of wanting to introduce more glossy.
That my TV is glossy is something that annoys me even more than its sucky colour accuracy.
To quickly reveal just how horrible idea glossy is you can try this; set it up with a bright-coloured wall (white painted/wallpappered) within about 3-4m behind you, and to make this issue even worse add something framed on that wall, or a door with different colours (let's say - it being open, or still having a wood colour).
But I admit this was more of an issue in the CRT days (when the display itself was a major light source to light up the wall behind you), but even a modern laptop where you are in a dark room with a bright-coloured wall near you it shows up (and this is a lot worse in dark rooms).
So, yeah, glossy still gets an "only in absence of matte, and that only if I can't skip out on it completly" from me.
(Then again, computer monitor usage for me are primarily text-focused - so I need uniformity (or smooth transitions) above all else).
But yes, it is a "your usage will vary" situation, the best would probably be if there was a monitor with an electrochromatic layer to make the matte user-selectable - but beyond that it basically comes down to "soo, what's your take on anti-aliasing?"
The HDR is pretty rough... seizure warning ⚠️ great content though 💜 **edit: fixed**
Glad I'm not the only one who hated HDR. On mobile it makes it so you can't control the video brightness. Completely horrible experience
I dont hate HDR. HDR is dope. it's just the way it's executed on youtube kinda blows.
Are you on a Samsung device?
@@edzelyago2840 yeah, S22
@@noahreeverts465 @Edzel Yago I'm on a Samsung Device too but I can change brightness. S22 Ultra.
The Borat reference almost made me spit out my food, thanks Linus
This is one of your best videos in a while. To the point, excelent flow, a lot of helping visuals. I hope you return to this format instead watching the hosts conversation. Good one.
THANK YOU for finally reviewing the spectrum! ... now that the price has been hiked +20% ...
why can't a mainstream manufacturer make a glossy monitor this feature complete with a minimal design?? the only reason i havent bought this is bc of how unreliable Dough is
I always use an ambient light behind my monitor and I hate seeing my reflection in dark scenes. I do actually wish I had a matte screen on my phone, if swiping on it felt at least OK.
I hope manufacturers don't move back to the awful glossy finish. Then again, I am strong protan colourblind, so I don't really care about colours that subjectively "pop" more.
I used to have really matted monitor, but newer one "matted" was so glossy that I had to change my black backgrounds in file manager to lighter one because I could see myself in it
Glossy screen? No, thank you
This is what I noticed immediately when I moved from a Windows laptop to a Macbook. Monitors now have a high enough nit count for glossy finishes to be justified.
I love the HDR, but on my phone (samsung galaxy s10) I'm burning out my eyes because it goes to max brightness and cant be adjusted and in a dark room it is way too bright!
I know this is not your problem but you might have a better connection to the dev team of youtube.
Same for me
Am on s10+ and the brightness just Varies looool like it's eye searing when they show a white website but the brightness goes down when on a scene with a black background.
It's nice that you added HDR
Thanks for uploading this in HDR! It looks great
My personal preference is matte rather than glossy screens. My eyes feel more comfortable with them because I don't have to constantly darken the room, they don't have annoying reflections and at the same time matte screens are easier to keep clean than glossy ones.
Linus, that edit at the very end of your video scared the shit out of me. Thank you.
Yes. Thanks. That's it. It's so much easier to tune out random distracting reflections with a matte ime. Took me several weeks to adjust to glossy panels.
I am lucky enough to have received my matte finish one in January after waiting for over 16 months. Their communication was abysmal and as Linus said, their attitude feels like a big fat middle finger in your face.
It also has it's fair share of bugs, even after the updates they have pushed lately. Even one where my screen temporarily burned in after watching HDR content for a few minutes. After 2 hours, the burn in disappeared luckily but I got scared to bits.
However, if the display works and you have it in front of you... Oh man. I genuinely love it. But until they get their Dough together and ship these things immediately after ordering, avoid at all costs!
A monitor should not have bugs at all. The fact that it's firmware upgradable is a negative for a monitor. It means that the company doesn't care enough to do proper testing of products before shipping.
So glad you guys got into HDR... Showed me my Chromebook HDR is broken (all green) XD
Hmm this video really had a disconnect with, a bona fide gamer. I find it impossible to tune out reflections with glossy screens, and in super bright environments like being outside in the midday sun, my previous glossy laptop was literally unusable. My new one has an anti glare screen, and its fidelity is far better in almost every case (except utter darkness, which sucks for your eyes anyways so I never do that).
Man, I’d love gloss to come back
I've always loved those 35mm AUX connectors 😉 ( @5:19 )
Hey Linus Team. I like the HDR but it burns my eyes away if I try to watch it late in bed. Just wanted you to know that it might not be the best option since the UA-cam user can't turn it off.
That's how they drive you to floatplane ;)
Please keep the HDR videos coming. I absolutely love it
Honestly.. seeing my unblurred face staring back ruins immersion far more than a slight pop in the daylight which disappears at dark
Edit: thanks goodness for some sane LTT employees that agree that the blur allows your brain to do some wild reflection deleting that does not happen in gloss when you see eyes
wow, couldn't help but notice this is an HDR video 😮 That's so cool. My HDR1000 monitor is finally getting content that uses it's full capabilities
Big props to Dave2D for being the first person I know of to talk about this issue
I love glossy monitors. I think they look blacker because your brain is able to separate the reflections from the picture, partly due to each eye getting a slightly different reflection for the same area. Your brain can then disregard the reflection when interpreting the image. A matte finish causes a haze that is indistinguishable from the image.
The smile after saying SPONSOR is so warm like omgg
I'm assuming spectrophotometer would return basically the same result between the monitors because it is so close to the screen. The coating looks cloudy to the eye at viewing distance but looking at the coating through a microscope shows its completely clear.
It's definitely a personal preference but for me the sharp reflection is an absolute no no. The only reason I accept it in TV set is that nobody seems to be selling 75" non-glossy screens with acceptable panel quality.
currently watching this on the eve spectrum. i preordered the 4K 144hz and received it about a week after sending the finalized payment. i received it august 2 of 2021. i will admit that before i preordered i was nervous about buying the monitor but i haven't had any issues with them
I used to have a glossy monitor when I was a kid, and honestly I hated every second of using it because any dark part of the screen reflected everything, and any amount of light in the room (especially the sun coming through the window) it became impossible to see anything on the screen. I refuse to use a glossy screen for gaming, and if the matte finish ever goes away, I will put it back on. Glossy screens on phones and watches is fine because those are constantly being touched and the finish would probably be destroyed anyways, so there isn't much point in having it there in the first place. From my experience as a kid, glossy monitors are a really stupid idea and really suck to use if there is any light in the room, even the backlight on keyboards will reflect and be annoying as hell
Dell's glossy screens gave me motion sickness and headaches. Tried two different technologies on a XPS15 with the same result.
Ended up with a Zephyrus M16. Not sure if the ASUS screen does something different or if I require a matte screen in order to use computers 🤷♂️
I've had too many bad experiences with glossy displays (used to be a Mac person) to ever consider going back. The slightly better image quality doesn't matter if all you can see is a reflection of what's going on outside. Not everyone wants blackout curtains in every room. I can rotate my phone pretty easily, I don't want to be constantly adjusting my monitor throughout the day as the sun moves.
You don't have any sun in your moms basement
Do not give this company any of your money. I originally pre-ordered a Spectrum QHD 280Hz back in 2021 for $100. In July of 2022 I paid an additional $565.95 as it was supposedly about to ship. Didn't happen.
I finally got fed up and cancelled my order on 10/23. Dough support said I should have a refund within 20 days on 10/24. Guess what? NO REFUND YET.
They are *literal* criminals.
when I found out the alienware 34 oled was glossy I knew I wanted one immediately. used to have a 1440p 27 inch glossy monitor and I really miss how it looked, but there was no glossy ultrawide.
Thank you for covering the glossy monitor issue. I don't understand why I don't have any options for a glossy panel but I can get almost any combination of hz and resolutionand HDR and micro organic dots or whatever. I really hope this video sparks a change in the market. I'm looking at you, LG. You already did the work for one panel just let me buy it without having to go through a scam company please and thanks.
15 years ago we didn't understand why we didn't have any options either and everything was glossy garbage... Thanks fucking god these dark ages were behind us but it seems we're going back to cheap marketing aimed at normies... I'd fucking kill for a matte display on iPad so it's actually not completely useless paperweight outside, even on a cloudy day...
@@Micromation Well, that's what options are for. Everyone should be able to buy what they prefer and not be locked into what someone else dictates is "right." Manufacturers are already putting out several variations in size, resolution, refresh rate, etc. so I don't see why a variation as relatively simple as a panel treatment can't be an option.
I made it a point to buy my old MacBook Pro in anti glare but that’s because I was DJing at clubs back then and I noticed on my gloss screen the strobing lights and lasers was incredibly distracting. But that’s a very small use case
how does blurred reflection translate to a better anti reflection? it doesn’t imo and in this case the light is even covering more parts of the screen because of the anti reflective coating making it more spread
I remember back in the 2000s that all we had were glossy screens and the gaming community was demanding matte, it seems to be circling back the other way. Much prefer matte cannot handle reflections, given my home situation it would be distracting as all heck.
Lucky buyer over here. I ordered on in 2019 right after LMG dropped a video about it. I got it early in 2022 and was surprised to even see it. Display is great, but they REALLY need to work out their shipping issues. This is worse than the Steam Deck (went from Q2 -> Q4 as they kept pushing my unit back).
It's not mindblowing though. To anyone who actually wants one, it can be annoying. For one, I can't hit 144hz 4K over type C or HDMI despite having devices that meet spec and can output that resolution. The only way to hit it was with Display Port and specifically Display Port to Type C for my laptops. Desktops required Display Port as well. This is somewhat of a bummer and annoying. The OSD is a pain and updating the monitor is (as mentioned) scary.
Would recommend people buy one of the higher end Asus monitors or a nice LG one with a glossy finish if you want glossy. Avoid Eve for now till they iron out this crap and fix their support for HDMI 2.1 and DP over Type C.
I can confirm the long queues on this item. I bought the Eve monitor late 2020 and I still haven't received it. A few weeks ago I cancelled my order and still have not received my money back from it. So yes. Long queues. I've waited around 20 months for this monitor and I had still no idea when they were going to deliver it so I just gave up on it.
gloss screens making displays look more vibrant being "better" is entirely subjective. personally i prefer matte screens not because of glare. i prefer matte because i like the paper texture look and the more soft colors. glossy isnt "better" from a color depth perspective for some people. i do very much enjoy the pastel-y softer colors.
DONT READ MY USERNAME!!
Thought I was going crazy when my phone screen amped to full brightness with this video 😂
Ever since I saw the Samsung CRG90 on LTT, I’ve never been happier with a monitor and can’t recommend it enough. 32:9 at 5120x1440 at 120hz is amazing, and they have released better models since.
Is it glossy, or matte?
When i see company name Doug, i was expecting homer D'oh joke, but all i got is disappointment. jokes aside, the video is good :D
Linus please stay so honest and genuine, hard to find these days
I think this is one of the most real, relatable, and well-done LTT videos in ages. It felt like true consumer focused review with specs and details that people ACTUALLY care about. Not that other videos have info that go into info that people don't care about, just that they can be a little in the weeds for my taste. But seriously, guys, this is perfect stuff.
I haven't had a new monitor since 2010. It's was a hans g 19 inch and I still use it. None of my monitors are HDMI. All DVI-D to HDMI cables used lol.
I really like the HDR upload on this video. It surprised the hell out of me lol. I normally watch everything on my 16in M1Max MBP and since HDR is pretty much not a thing for most UA-camrs I am used to seeing the 500nit max brightness most of the time. But right out of the gate with the text overlays at the start of this video I could tell the massive difference in peek brightness really making this video pop a lot more and sure enough when I looked at that gear icon there was HDR. I enjoyed this a lot. My only compalint is that with HDR, screens with solid white, like when you showed certain tech specs during the video is blinding bright. Not sure if that could be taken into account and maybe grayed up a bit or not.
For someone like Linus who is so in love with himself, of course he loves the glossy screen, because he love to see himself on the display.
I'm joking by the way.
Sending LOVE to the Editor😂
Thousands of people will get scammed by this company after this video. GG Linus. Dough well played. But I won't give up so easily!
Loved the sponsor Segway honestly 😂
So glad I dodged the bullet. I pre-ordered this monitor back in 2020, asked for a refund once I smelled a scam brewing and surprisingly got my money back months after. Stay away from this company. There are many who still have not received their monitors or their refunds. I don't understand why there isn't more exposure on how bad this company is.
I fully believed in the Eve proposition back in the day and dropped a non-insignificant amount of cash on a loaded i7 EVE V. Sadly, although I was one of the lucky ones and after a ridiculous delay eventually received one of the first 500 units, I've been left very disappointed. The unit is not perfect, and my keyboard died a long time ago. The problem with small batch manufacturers is the total lack of spare parts inventory, an issue I wouldn't have if I had just bought a Surface. I'm still using the tablet for travel, but with a 3rd party keyboard. It's such a shame, my name is even stamped on the inside of the packaging as I took part in the decision-making along the way. They will never get rid of their history of taking people's money and not delivering. I could never part money with this company again, and sadly recommend that others do not either. They will rebrand, and disappear at the drop of a hat - claiming that EVE/Dough that you bought from, is a different legal entity to who they are today. Warranty with them is worth nothing.
I’ve always hated matte screens. So grainy and washed out.