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  • @leonhi6537
    @leonhi6537 3 роки тому +25

    I really love that the professor would ask questions on experimental design in the class, making it more easy to follow.

  • @Hanna_Bakhash
    @Hanna_Bakhash 3 роки тому +27

    Lecture 8. Damn, this is much better than Peaky Blinders

  • @giuseppeesposito2200
    @giuseppeesposito2200 Рік тому +4

    Sto lentamente assorbendo queste informazioni , di ogni docente degno di nota del mit.
    La loro memoria non andrà persa.
    Ricorderò non solo cosa dicevano,ma anche a cosa si riferivano davvero , chi avevano conosciuto , cosa li aveva "formati" ed ogni singola espressione dei loro volti ed intonazione vocale.
    Non mi stupisce che Nancy abbia usato dati di persone nell'orbita del mondo Philips .
    Ciò che mi incuriosisce invece è come sia riuscita a mantenere una elasticità mentale così grande alla sua età.
    Le reazioni , il modo di esporre , di correlare i fatti , di intrecciarli con esperienze vissute da personaggi osservati ed altri scienziati implica una velocità di pensiero simile ad una mente di circa 30 -35 anni.
    Volutamente sto scrivendo in italiano.
    Ma non solo. È pieno di overlap fonetici metacomunicativi , o visivo - auditivi che ha sapientemente inserito .
    Un genio.(of course I can speak English).

  • @seasnowcai
    @seasnowcai 7 місяців тому +2

    Regarding the ant experiment, I remember that Richard Feynman talked about similar ones he has done before in his book. Very fascinating!

  • @lelepups
    @lelepups Рік тому +4

    Thank you for this amazing lecture series!

  • @savantofillusions
    @savantofillusions 3 роки тому +2

    Straight lines are shorter and curved lines can present fun mental challenges involving perceiving distance.

  • @coltonboxell1960
    @coltonboxell1960 3 роки тому +2

    The point made by Sheldon at 49:36 is called a commutation relation in physics. The most famous is the non-commutation of space and momentum, which is always i*h_bar.
    Edit: I had to think about this but I don't think there should be an issue with the scene-response confound because the brain's response is an energy eigenvector set and the scene is a spatial vector set. Since energy and space are commutative, there should be now effect in altering the order of the experiment, whether scene are viewed before response or response before scene .

    • @homo.shepien
      @homo.shepien 2 роки тому

      Hey, could you explain it like I am 5?

    • @coltonboxell1960
      @coltonboxell1960 2 роки тому

      @@homo.shepien a commutation relationship just means "can I measure these two things at the same time" and for two measurables A and B it's found by [A,B]=AB-BA. Nancy does this often too, where she goes "is measuring this then that the same as that then this?", Which is an important step to take because there's a unit of action if the observables are non-commutative.

  • @savantofillusions
    @savantofillusions 3 роки тому +8

    Nancy, my brain really likes your class.

    • @savantofillusions
      @savantofillusions 3 роки тому

      So, recognizing faces is the same as recognizing particular individuals in the brain maybe but we know it uses the same region to do both, amirite

  • @parrotraiser6541
    @parrotraiser6541 3 роки тому +9

    This made me think about the book title "Turn signals are the facial expressions of automobiles". Many cars look like faces from the front.

    • @joaquinazpiroz9906
      @joaquinazpiroz9906 3 роки тому +1

      Also, tires as seen fron the side might look like eyes

  • @kidxcaprice3184
    @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

    the monarch butterflies that fly 50 miles in 14:36 and earlier. I think they use a beacn A to B type of navigation system or perhaps they are extremely sensitive by means of electromagnetic wave similarity and differentiation that they know the location based on the electromagnet waves from the planet and locate their destination based knowing of such. which would make sense how they know they're orientation

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      That is to say they have sensory system that is sensitive and therefore have an awareness or rather gps system compiled of different electrical waves. they know the location based on formation of wave frequency and matching that

  • @kidxcaprice3184
    @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

    the makes sense that 5:17 minutes in. Because it would act as the reciever sight for memory or stored information on the function of that cell.

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      maybe that site gets used any time information from those stored engrams are needed for a different function. again eluding to the iea that the whole brain works in unison to figure out problems or carry out functions?

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      maybe the brain just a bunch of memory sites

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      10:05 who knows if the brain is putting energy out of that region, I agree, perhaps it seems more as latency energy is seen a collated in those regions perhaps or maybe those regions are the best properties for keeping memory engrams of function and recent lock and key stimuli it's collated to figure out similarities and differences in environment

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      by lock and key I mean the patterns we are checking for similar or dissimilar features in as seperate 'lock and keys' to an electromagnetic level perhaps?

  • @Rezin_8
    @Rezin_8 2 роки тому +1

    How many nocturnal species are using satellites for navigation?

  • @giuseppeesposito2200
    @giuseppeesposito2200 Рік тому

    Happy birthday, Karrie .

  • @briseboy
    @briseboy 8 місяців тому

    She had referred to the hallucinations of, SPECIFICALLY, eyes and mouth, when surgeons stimulated neurons in FFA.
    While upside down recognition was reduced in fMRI testing, it was of recognition of individually varied faces. Babies, of course begin with a prosopagnosia, first responding in an evolutionarily useful way to ANY face, while developing specific (familiar, remembered, known faces using some smaller-scale pattern recognition, OR feedback from other areas connected through associational - secondary - cortical regions.) differential responses.
    This pulls in regions that stimulate both neurohormonal and endocrine response. Whether pleasure or some form of noxious response to both associations and to minor FFA variances- different neurons send totally different dendrites becomes vastly important, even if BOLD signal might total up insignificantly different.

  • @manuelariveros_
    @manuelariveros_ 3 місяці тому

    12:00 What’s the difference between odd runs and even runs ?

  • @bradsillasen1972
    @bradsillasen1972 Рік тому +1

    @1:17:11 I can't see any difference at all between the two images.

  • @Brent-jb9wj
    @Brent-jb9wj 7 місяців тому

    I curious as to what would happen if the subjects were shown an empty room first, then that same room with furniture. Would a difference be seen.

  • @not_amanullah
    @not_amanullah 6 місяців тому

    Thanks ❤️🤍

  • @Nuggiesoftruth
    @Nuggiesoftruth Місяць тому +1

    doesnt this mean that the data coming out of nueral link is vital for this feild of study?

  • @kidxcaprice3184
    @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

    17:27 the ant that renacts the same vector of travel in finding food after hanving a new starting point. Maybe they are sensitive to the earth's electromagnetic frequency in terms of knowing perception in orientation. But not sensitive enough exact location. I think then they're hippocampus or whatever version of thet has cells stored for distance covered? can't be visual input because that would be different if traversing through different location

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      I assume the y co-ordinates are null in difference or the ant somehow knows the x co-ordinates regardless of it's y, i.e the distance could be different marginally if the ant has to cross above a big dessert hill for example meaning distance covered per time can't be the only metric used here. but x-cordinates being consistent would mean the same vector of travel.

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      19:20 building from my earlier thoughts. perhaps this x - cordite is consistent i.e the vector is maintained and reached by means understanding the general orientation fo campus value where the food would be but the sensitivity is not great enough to know exact magnetic electro waves but the subtle difference in them and so has partial direction based on differences relation of the electro magnetic wave and itself during that point in time

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      maybe the ant only notices the interferenence of electro waves and so doesn't know the actual source. but based on the general displacement of the waves and the speed it receives it from.e from a right angle to receptor sites could mean a bigger inference in their knowledegof themselves that is their general orientation with respect to north value of magnetic wave improvement and increase in rate of speed

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      im theorising a way of how they're sensitivity operates although I don't know their anatomy, in genera I think its sensitive enough to know where north is is and then like a compass have a vector of travel this is consistent based on an understanding of a north marker.

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      but not sensitive enough to know instinctually (or consciously rather) where a point of x,y would be. only that based on the position of north they know the angle and the distance of x to copy vector path known to locate food

  • @yttrium55
    @yttrium55 2 роки тому

    How much information can be written into the tiny brain cells of Monarch butterfly? It is pretty amazing.(13:11)

  • @nethunter7517
    @nethunter7517 Рік тому

    If the FFA specializes in faces but also contains other information (such as chairs) then does that mean that it play a supportive role like the tricep muscle does to the pectoral muscles? The tricep specializes in straightening out the elbow but in the overall motion of pushing it acts supportively to the overall function of pushing. Would this be a correct comparison???

  • @BELLAROSE21212
    @BELLAROSE21212 8 місяців тому

    Wow……. There is just so so So much I don’t know …. Thank you 🙏

  • @Brent-jb9wj
    @Brent-jb9wj 7 місяців тому

    I have to wonder if the amplitude of the signal (spike) is part to the data componet. Let's take a 2 x 2 grid representing electrodes. Each electrode receiving an spike a various amplitudes, that single electrode can represent a wide variety of data ranging for 0.0 Volts to max amplitude of let say 1.0 Volts for conversation. The different voltages in that electrode (in an analog world) could respresent an enormous amount of information. Thoughts?

  • @srimuharyati2387
    @srimuharyati2387 2 роки тому

    THANK YOU

  • @poko1030
    @poko1030 3 роки тому

    6:44
    Is clearly reviewed line

  • @srimuharyati2387
    @srimuharyati2387 2 роки тому

    9 videos to go! Gonna make it till midnight

  • @marcgrant2225
    @marcgrant2225 Рік тому

    would the difference between the responses to faces and cars and chairs narrow should the participants be somehow involved with cars and/or chairs while being experimented upon? in other words, do faces elicit the response they do because of their importance to everyday getting along?

  • @FrozenFireFactorial
    @FrozenFireFactorial 5 місяців тому

    I genuinely enjoyed this lecture more than all of Breaking Bad

  • @Johnsonpsychiatry
    @Johnsonpsychiatry 14 днів тому

    Isabel is a real gunner. Let someone else answer for a change.

  • @savantofillusions
    @savantofillusions 3 роки тому

    My PPA is multitasking when I draw savant art. It sees space to draw what it draws and it sees what it draws two different ways and I don’t have to pay attention to both at the same time.

  • @not_amanullah
    @not_amanullah 6 місяців тому

    This is helpful ❤️🤍

  • @kidxcaprice3184
    @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

    36 minutes in: probably more value in PSC change in the empty room because it looks closer to the original picture its looking for and stores similarities? both similar with the background wall which is closer in terms of space layout than shapes of furniture with no background, when looking at the background it starts firing the original picture neurons. yes she's saying it now, I think u couldn't because it probably looks at the borders, and technically no background is a harsher border so less similar so elicits less of a response if the response is measuring for similarities. idk if im right

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      the lay out or where borders would be are more accentuated when furnitiure is displaced without a background because we are measuring the active sites and im terming the action cites as memory cells, any new memory input that is similar gets stored so maybe we are measuring the storage of new input.

    • @kidxcaprice3184
      @kidxcaprice3184 Рік тому

      more similar, = more likely to be processed of that storage cell

  • @wandabissell
    @wandabissell 3 роки тому

    I'm wondering how the FFA responds to pareidolia-type stimuli. Has anyone seen any research?

  • @JohnSmith-yn6du
    @JohnSmith-yn6du 2 роки тому +1

    I’d love to hear of any research on the damages SNRIs may cause to the brain and the rest of the body. I’m just one of those unfortunate ones.

  • @jamesduggan7200
    @jamesduggan7200 3 роки тому

    Not quite getting how PPA relates to the multi-generational journey of the Monarch butterflies - mentioned at the beginning of the lecture - tho the connection to Bob (lec. 1) is somewhat clearer. PPA area sensitive to space, depth, and lines but well. . .

    • @CushingsSx
      @CushingsSx 3 роки тому

      PPA is a particular cortical area for navigation.. what do you think are basic or foundational to navigation? Spatial discrimination, recognition etc, like space, depth …

    • @jamesduggan7200
      @jamesduggan7200 3 роки тому

      @@CushingsSx ty for the reply but of course in the case of the butterflies I'm curious about the innate foundations, and the Bob story implies some sort of poorly received communication from Bob's brain.

    • @CushingsSx
      @CushingsSx 3 роки тому

      @@jamesduggan7200 just because we don’t have wings doesn’t mean we don’t 3D-navigate or can’t fly (the Wright brothers would disagree strongly), or don’t need those special /specific mechanisms for spatial nuances, figuring those out is more fascinating, remember the famous Marr quote in the first lecture about understanding aerodynamics to understand bird structure/s analogical explanation how a physical structure (brain) give rise to something else entirely (mind), same concept ..obviously the human brain is the largest , dense vs other mammals (our closest cousins in the animal kingdom) , more sophisticated and complex , we’ve more allocated spatial tissues/ neurons for any task or activity , (in the case of navigation we know it takes a huge swat of cortical real estate ; PPA, RSC, hippocampus) doesn’t mean we loose the basic /foundational parts, they’re foundational for a reason, you don’t get to layered complexity without the basics

    • @jamesduggan7200
      @jamesduggan7200 3 роки тому

      @@CushingsSx Ok, though it still seems that for the Monarchs there isn't any here and there.

  • @rifathossain6650
    @rifathossain6650 Рік тому

    I am so Lucky I do this class❤

  • @gerben7224
    @gerben7224 Рік тому

    Very interesting, especially since I've always struggled with navigation. I'm actually a really weird case and I can't figure out exactly what's wrong with me. If you're in the same situation as me or you want to hear an interesting story, please read the rest of this comment. So, I think I have some form of navigation ability. For example: whenever I'm cycling with my friends to someone's house, a public swimming pool, the cinema, etc, I seem to be unable to navigate on my own despite having taken the route more than 20 times (or even more). If I didn't have my friends I would definitely need Google Maps or some other navigation software to properly navigate. Now, before I explain what my mental processes look like, I just want to note that I've always been pretty dreamy, so my lack of navigational abilities may just be a result of that. But I doubt it. I can't really relate to having a kind of 'mental map' with which 'normal' people apparently navigate their way through the world. The only way I seem to be able to navigate is by literally visualizing a route (mentally walking through streets). I've always found it pretty strange that people seem to be able to come up with routes much faster than me whenever they're in a new spot. It takes me a long time to cross every street and path in my imagination. Only after having done that can I navigate. I also seem to lack any orientation, even in my hometown. If you were to ask me in which direction my house is from a given point within my hometown, I'd rarely have a clue. which is kind of abnormal, right?. The strange thing is, that I don't seem to have any other cognitive problems, especially not in the visual domain. In fact, my perceptual/spatial reasoning abilities have shown to be well above average. I'm good at subjects like physics and math which rely heavily on spatial ability. I'm just wondering if there's anyone out there who relates to this. I've never met someone with the same problems.

  • @CushingsSx
    @CushingsSx 3 роки тому +3

    It’s pretty interesting to me that the PPA is totally independent to familiarity of spaces, scenery vs RSC given that the hippocampus is where our memory is , it’s pretty close almost right there.. the brain is infinitely puzzling ‘interesting why I love it.. future neurologist 🙋🏻‍♀️👩🏻‍⚕️🙏 It suggests that spatial architecture of the brain is not that interesting vs its gazillion connectome or connections , neuronal communications (IMO)

  • @henrygingercat
    @henrygingercat 3 роки тому +2

    Surely "rectal linearity" at 48.08 isn't quite right.

  • @likelikeyouknow
    @likelikeyouknow 6 місяців тому

    20:05 Mmmkay

  • @savantofillusions
    @savantofillusions 3 роки тому

    You know this is going to have a social component at some point, like, if people didn’t demand to be treated as ones-own-self what would our brains be doing to recognize anyone ew

  • @illiakailli
    @illiakailli 3 роки тому

    awesome series! thanks for sharing. But why lecturer keeps saying ‘voxels’ and not ‘pixels’? There is nothing volumetric about studies mentioned so far: 2d pictures shown to patients, 2d cortical activation patterns … Or does she mean voxels on the surface of the cortical areas?

    • @jomen112
      @jomen112 3 роки тому

      The picture maybe 2D but the brain isn't.

    • @illiakailli
      @illiakailli 3 роки тому

      @@jomen112 true, but isn't most of the talk is about flattening cortex to some sort of 2d map and reasoning about what different parts of that 2d map are doing? Zapping here and there on the surface or putting electrodes ... I understand that fMRI gives you a bunch of voxels ... so probably its mostly about voxels on the surface. I haven't yet heard that ppl differentiate much between different depth levels of cortical areas ... but I'm a noob, so probably just need to keep reading/watching.

    • @jomen112
      @jomen112 3 роки тому

      @@illiakailli If you take a picture of a red apple in an apple tree would you call its representation on the image a red spot or a red apple?

    • @jomen112
      @jomen112 3 роки тому

      @@illiakailli I.e. it does not make sense to change the terminology just because you change the representation.

    • @illiakailli
      @illiakailli 3 роки тому

      @@jomen112 oh really, I thought when you play Minecraft you do this just fine: there is a resolution of your screen in pixels and there are voxels that construct Minecraft universe. I wont take picture of an apple, I'll just eat it!

  • @Allbbrz
    @Allbbrz 3 роки тому

    did you see the train station ? "I saw it".... there is the embryo of the the next virtual reality, the holo-room if you will......

  • @jesslyn4919
    @jesslyn4919 3 роки тому

    ✌️

  • @briseboy
    @briseboy 7 місяців тому

    Objects as unnatural as chairs would seem more likely to evoke responses indicating familiarity, safety, cultural recognition(as familiar behaviors, stress-relief, or other specific, nongeneral cues.)
    A chair might even signal "alert, foreign, caurion!" if presented to individual not having the construct in early life.
    I comment following reading into "the experience machine" which contains horribly inaccurate philosophical unwarranted presumptions, dissociational assertions, and culture-bound errors, evenas its author utterly ignores basic interoceptive obvious sensations like foot pressure neurons, which are certainly linked to all motion, balance, kinetic assessment.
    (Not having finished due to astounding cognitive errors by that author, i cannot comment more on it, other than "Wait for a more coherent and observant attempt at verbalizing brain/body senses/memory/prediction/expectation, and variable fluidity of comprehension of novel stimuli comparison)

  • @savantofillusions
    @savantofillusions 3 роки тому

    I was gonna say babies

    • @savantofillusions
      @savantofillusions 3 роки тому

      Faces are the closest thing to a baby’s face and eyes from birth. Not the first thing they see but consistent face-to-face social contact. Eyes grow into seeing faces up close. What does that look like from a babycam?

  • @cartergebert3495
    @cartergebert3495 Рік тому

    I hate acronyms.

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    "I'm not sure if I can find the answer to this question ..trying is enuf...what counts...goal is trying best..."
    She is nice only...

  • @BradyReese
    @BradyReese 10 місяців тому

    I was really enjoying these lectures... until this professor got political 1:20:45 I thought I wasn't hearing her correctly.. I couldn't tell she was in fact saying trump not chimp.. I don't even like trump.. not surprising that another teacher is a political activist..
    I'm really gunna try yo keep enjoying this lecture.. but I'm gone when education is political..

  • @leonkriner3744
    @leonkriner3744 2 роки тому

    I am not a student, just curious person enjoying your lectures. Is this really necessary to bring political BIOS into the academia? I thought it is supposed to be politically neutral institution...

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    Maybe it just came to same weather beach

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    ? Before medication(bad meds?) Human madness 1 percent
    After meds 3 %?

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    Minimal pair.
    U and something.
    Just 2

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    Gratefulness sam harris...

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    House likey

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    Muscle memory?gps...

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    Ppl gonna get hurt but will receive usually left alone....minimal support enuf.
    Not doom and gloom treatment...

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    Dads always saying we shud not hurt anyone at all. Can't do that practical level... can't satisfy everyone..

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    The occipital which is behind.....is away from eyes.
    Helen Keller.
    U can imagine even without being born without eyes from other data?
    Nice lecture...put me in uncomfort zone...just relaize to ignore nuances of prof if the general interest is created...ok way...

  • @nibussss
    @nibussss 3 роки тому

    See he as she is...wise old...like any ...
    What do I do if I get criticism
    ...read that specific part and correct it..just a job.after class..friends/discussion etc.
    Psychology is already interesting....no need to make it....excited..?
    part of American corporate performance culture?
    Students shud talk more..seems one way..a bit.
    Let em ask discuss type class?

    • @pilotavery
      @pilotavery 2 роки тому

      I don't know what you're talking about. This is really fun. This is a really fun subject and I'm super excited to learn about this! This is some crazy cool shit and I can't believe that I get to learn this in a way that's explained well by someone who clearly enjoys talking about the subject. I love that the students get to ask any questions they want to ask.

    • @jeremywright9511
      @jeremywright9511 Рік тому

      It depends on the type of class. Lecture style classes are fairly one sided. Seminar style classes emphasize participation and allows for students to lead the discussions in some cases.

  • @BELLAROSE21212
    @BELLAROSE21212 8 місяців тому

    For some reason what formulated is irrational numbers fitting a algebraic-polynomial-quadratic-structure that can support all the extra “nouns” with more Verbs. Subject -predicate, So a mathematical-sentence-structure for the machine to learn to count(verb) numbers(noun+verb(to speak)does number)) from a finite number set, new functions to reach these nouns(numbers) that behave like a neural-network-equation/satisfy the equation.. cool I have that if that is a thing, I dunno 🤷‍♂️, visual subjective interpretation of the facts …. 🥶🫠😬😜