BET Never Aired on Nickelodeon - Nick Knacks Addendum

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  • @rftt6y7tr
    @rftt6y7tr 6 років тому +56

    As a history major I appreciate the hard work to provide accurate research and reference I hope this didn’t discourage you to much this sort of thing happens all the time. Keep up the good work love the channel. 😀

    • @BrettwilsonArt
      @BrettwilsonArt 5 років тому +4

      It really does happen more than it seems at first glance. It's actually funny: I've dealt with this very issue the day I am watching this Nick Knacks episode, while writing and illustrating a book about a certain Nickelodeon show from the 90s. In my own research, I've found it quite frustrating to see facts on places I normally check (IMDB, TV.COM, Fandom, Wikipedia, etc.) to be edited AFTER checking them, which messes with my mind thinking the original airdates for certain episodes of the show I'm writing on are different, when in-fact, they aren't. It's just mind-boggling that the truth can be buried in false info when it's spread everywhere like a virus.
      My point: I know your struggle, Greg. Thank you for your courage and dedication to present quality content in efforts to honor and preserve Nickelodeon's past. You're an unsung hero.

  • @amwfan88
    @amwfan88 6 років тому +38

    Once again, Greg, your research is AMAZING. Excellent work, good sir!

  • @MangaDungeon
    @MangaDungeon 3 роки тому +8

    I wonder if part of the reason people think this is because a ton of shows that used to air on BET, specifically the sitcoms like Cosby or Different Strokes would find their way on Nick at Night

  • @therealsoulproduct
    @therealsoulproduct 5 років тому +7

    Interesting choice of background music. I'm a die-hard Prince fan and know his type of Funk backwards and forwards. For the record, the music you're hearing is from one of Prince's early demos before he got signed to Warner Brothers in the late 70's.

  • @bobbyshaddoe3004
    @bobbyshaddoe3004 6 років тому +27

    I think what it was, was in some areas of the country, Nickelodeon and BET had to share or split wavelengths. Cuz I seem to recall looking forward to watching Nick at Nite at 8pm, only to see the channel inexplicably switch to BET. But then my folks got a proper cable box.

    • @Suryal
      @Suryal 6 років тому +1

      Bobby Torres for BET Sports you had to be a subscriber, like the old Home Box Office model, or the Disney Channel, or Cinemax. However, many networks when the cable company carrying them had the option of prepaying for a free weekend or week. More subscribers means more share for advertising and more open markets. For a great while my grandparents had to subscribe for their Nashville Network, while a larger company where my mother had the tier option. But once in a while on those old set tops if they only had a limited number of channels a smaller cable company would switch to a paid free weekend without notice. It surprisingly worked really well, once someone on the standard plan lost a channel but temporarily had something else, only to find out to keep they would need to upgrade and get a new box, people jumped at it. The first time I saw a BET Sports commercial I was four, but at my mother's, turns out she had already upgraded. But i do remember that happening, the channel disappears and it's something else. But, our set tops at the time didn't even have remotes, the TV had a clicker and I hated those things, they just change the channel one way. But the box had a knob and went 2-13 a-z. Nickelodeon was channel S, grandpa watched Nashville on channel n and once in a while the reglious channel played anime. I dunno. It's the 80s.

    • @ChristopherSobieniak
      @ChristopherSobieniak 6 років тому +7

      Back then, there wasn't enough channel space on satellite transponders, and some channels were done like that. Nick did share space with a channel ABC started called 'ARTS" (later to become A&E), but I'm sure these were standalone companies that simply had to use the same frequency out in space in order due to the limitations at the time.

    • @lifeworksndhenterprisesllc6597
      @lifeworksndhenterprisesllc6597 5 років тому

      Christopher Sobieniak A&E now own by Warner Bros communication in 2010.

    • @doryna_sira
      @doryna_sira 5 років тому +8

      I remember this. Nickelodeon was 0 on our cable box, and at 8 pm it would switch to BET because our local cable network didn't have enough cable slots. I seem to recall they quit doing this around 1987/1988 when our cable company expanded their lineup. I didn't get to watch Nick at Nite for a while because of this.

    • @chito19902008
      @chito19902008 4 роки тому +1

      I also remember Nickelodeon in the area i grew up in south suburban Chicago during the evening it would automatically switch in the middle of programming to the BET station this was mid 90s i was born in 90. So wayy after BET supposedly had its own dedicated channel/network. I probably wouldnt have even known about BET at that age if not for that switch!

  • @melasnexperience
    @melasnexperience 6 років тому +11

    Man, TV Tome was good for fake info being treated as canon and by "good" I mean obnoxious. That was a cringey blast from the past...
    Your research with this series is AMAZING. This is a misconception I knew nothing about, but that "Mandela affect" sensation hit me hard with it. I would swear I saw Dusty's Treehouse & had fond memories of it, but thanks to your video, I know that's impossible (we didn't have Nick until after they'd dropped it & it didn't air otherwise in our area). The level of work you put in just shows that this series should be the definitive history of Nickelodeon, and while I doubt it's a work load you'd actually want to take on, it would make an excellent book. Nick needs a more up-to-date history besides an oral history by a suck-up guy with a myopic focus.

  • @Lexi_Zone
    @Lexi_Zone 3 роки тому +10

    Very interesting this one.
    You know, I used to try to document the Japanese animated _Stitch!_ series on Wikipedia, and there was this one person who kept adding really elaborate yet made up episodes to the episode guide. I don't have much to say about that, but the _Street Sharks_ thing definitely reminded me of it.

    • @morbidsearch
      @morbidsearch 2 роки тому +2

      Lilo and Stitch is a goldmine for made-up information. Especially because of Leroy and Stitch adding a ton of never-before-seen experiments in the background, and the full list of experiments in the credits

  • @lorddalek
    @lorddalek 6 років тому +29

    Basically the Mandala Effect in action.

  • @kyl416
    @kyl416 2 роки тому +5

    I found the reason how this rumor began. Cablevision on Long Island owned Sportschannel, which at the time was a competitor of MSG, and refused to carry MSG or USA Network until the mid-80s. Since BET was technically a seperate channel with different owners, they carried it overnight on Nickelodeon's channel 22 and a local classified channel called Swap & Shop. After ARTS launched, they dropped BET until the early 90s when they started expanding their systems to 450 MHz. If you look up some old issues of The Long Islander Newspaper from the early 1980s, you can see some Cablevision ads where they have a picture of their cable box with their lineup at the time.

    • @Gannooch
      @Gannooch 2 місяці тому

      Suburban Cablevision (no relation) also paired BET with Nick. My Aunt had that system and I remember reading this on her channel lineup sticker (remember those?)

    • @Gannooch
      @Gannooch 2 місяці тому

      I meant Suburban Cablevision in Northern NJ. It served Port Reading, NJ.

  • @LethalBubbles
    @LethalBubbles 3 роки тому +3

    I really appreciate the shout outs against rip off textbook pricing.

  • @BallparkHunter
    @BallparkHunter 3 роки тому +2

    Growing up in New Jersey, BET did come on the air at 8 PM n Suburban Cable after Nickelodian went off the air. There would be this bumper with a song that I still remember to this day-“You can bet on it, it’s on BET, B-E-T! Black Entertainment TV!” Then the 1972 US version of Love Thy Neighbor would air. This was probably around 1985, before Nick at Nite debuted.

    • @r66f80
      @r66f80 3 роки тому +1

      Some cable TV systems, that had limited channel space, would have 2 different cable networks sharing a channel.

  • @stephenholloway6893
    @stephenholloway6893 5 років тому +10

    At least now Nickelodeon and BET are part of the same parent company. Viacom.

  • @rubenmejia942
    @rubenmejia942 8 місяців тому +1

    Growing up in Palmetto, Florida, the cable service there in the late 80s and early 90s was Cable Vision Industries.
    I remember that up until around 1991, Nickelodeon would switch over to A&E at 8pm. Never understood why until reading the comments of this video.

  • @PersephoneDarling28
    @PersephoneDarling28 4 роки тому +1

    Your devotion to staunch research is Amazing

  • @aperson22222
    @aperson22222 6 років тому +12

    Sorry you wasted work on that script, but this detective story is very interesting.
    And yes, the ease with which historical information can be distorted, even very recent stuff, and how difficult it can be to get to the bottom of it, is alarming.

  • @datguyyo
    @datguyyo 6 років тому +6

    Man, I relate to that article so much. I cannot tell you how many times idiots on the internet will fall for some bit of information without checking any sources to see whether or not it is actually true.

  • @lainiwakura1776
    @lainiwakura1776 6 років тому +2

    It's okay, I appreciated this video and the work you do to get the correct history for Nick Knacks. The histories of a lot of things are very interesting and seeing the history of how this misinformation got spread was fun to watch.

  • @tannith_toyart
    @tannith_toyart 6 років тому +6

    First I'd like to say I never realized how much research work you put into these. That's crazy.
    Anyway, it's honestly scary that history can be warped so easily. I mean, it's not like no one's talked about this before (hell, there's a whole classic book about it) but it's still scary.

  • @simm_s0
    @simm_s0 Рік тому +1

    I'll have you know the street sharks were not gene spliced they were "gene-slammed" :P

  • @raocow
    @raocow 6 років тому +7

    amazing video man

  • @2dskillz
    @2dskillz 5 років тому +1

    Incredible work here. I will be joining the patreon after this.

  • @ShadowWingTronix
    @ShadowWingTronix 6 років тому +5

    I see this stuff a lot. For example people swearing the Saban version of Dragon Ball Z airing on Fox, when it didn't. It might have been a Fox affiliate playing it before Fox took over morning and afternoon programming originally reserved for first-run syndication. (Think GI Joe or He-Man.) People jump to the wrong conclusion, and then present it as fact to those who don't know what happened.

    • @TheItachiIshtar
      @TheItachiIshtar 5 років тому +1

      The confusion there is that Saban happened to be co-running FOX Kids at the same time, when in reality they were selling DBZ to syndication separately.

    • @bluebaron6858
      @bluebaron6858 Рік тому

      Same for the DiC Sailor moon dub

    • @GTVNewsForGamers
      @GTVNewsForGamers Рік тому +1

      Funny you should mention that, I recently found some DBZ recordings from Fox 31, the Rochester affiliate. They appear to be dated to 1997, as indicated by commercials related to The Lost World and Power Rangers Turbo.

  • @starpetalarts6668
    @starpetalarts6668 3 роки тому +1

    The final ancestor in my lineage tree (following only my surname) actually has them labelled being married after they had died but before they're born. No substantial proof for any of it. So I can understand how people feel when they believe misinformation on the internet, or at the very least the upset that comes from the lack of genuine information. Of course it's since been updated.

  • @SameNameDifferentGame
    @SameNameDifferentGame 6 років тому +1

    This is fascinating. I love weird research rabbit holes like this, and when I find stuff like this working on my own videos, I'm always like "did someone not know, or was it on purpose?"

  • @jonhester8909
    @jonhester8909 3 роки тому

    I love all the research you're putting in to these videos. I applaud your efforts. Keep them coming.👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @jaggerguth4391
    @jaggerguth4391 2 роки тому

    Did That Fan Work of Street Sharks Episodes Had One Where The Main Villain Didn't Appear But Instead a Villain Unrelated to Him Show up for a Few Episodes? That Would Be Cool.

  • @bluebaron6858
    @bluebaron6858 Рік тому +1

    Awesome!

  • @asia246222
    @asia246222 6 років тому +1

    I never heard this, but it's fascinating how misinformation can spread! Great episode!

  • @Invalidcookie-bv4cx
    @Invalidcookie-bv4cx 6 місяців тому

    MSG is still a channel in the greater NY Area ( i think, or at least it was when i lived there) USA and MSG were broadcasting simultaneously

  • @theactualTVB
    @theactualTVB 6 років тому +3

    Why did I just imagined episodes of the Boondocks about BET that I remembered watching all of a sudden?
    Come to think of it, I really need to watch these episodes again lol.

  • @StingingNettle7
    @StingingNettle7 6 років тому

    Im really glad you put in so much effort in to researching for your videos in a wierd way you kinda changed a tiny bit of history, thankfully back to the truth

  • @spencerkoelle184
    @spencerkoelle184 6 років тому

    Thank you for doing this hard work and research. Your exploration of the Roxie Phenomenon is both well-thought-out and entertaining. Gives me the chills though, wondering about what has been..rewritten.

  • @Scarybug
    @Scarybug 4 роки тому +1

    I noticed a similar but much more minor false fact on the Wikipedia page for the cartoon Speed Buggy. It claims speed buggy has a cameo on Animaniacs. I didn't remember that ever happening, so I checked the source, which was an AV Club article on Scooby-Doo clones that casually dropped it in as a fact. More sleuthing led me to a cartoon wiki that seemed to be the origin. It claimed the cameo happened and gave a specific episode title, but that episode didn't seem to exist. I corrected the claim with a note on the cartoon wiki, and left a comment on the old AV Club article, but all of this is "original research" which means it's not enough evidence to get the claim removed from Wikipedia.
    It's a really minor unimportant thing, but Speed Buggy never had a cameo on Animaniacs! WB didn't even own Hannah Barbara until 2001, which was after Animaniacs ended, so the rights to do an official cameo wouldn't have been a thing.

    • @stephenholloway6893
      @stephenholloway6893 3 роки тому

      He did in the reboot. But not in the original series.

    • @Scarybug
      @Scarybug 2 роки тому

      @@stephenholloway6893 The AV Club article on Scooby-Doo clones that makes this claim was published years before the reboot of Animaniacs was even announced.
      I suppose now I have to verify the claim in reference to the reboot, but I doubt that happened either.

  • @christopherwaldrop5293
    @christopherwaldrop5293 Рік тому

    My memory is fuzzy but I'm pretty sure that when we had a cable box with a dial Nickelodeon was 32 and BET was 33. That may have contributed to the confusion.

  • @pathfinderproductions
    @pathfinderproductions 6 років тому +2

    If BET never was on Nickelodeon, that begs the question.
    What was on Nick in between the Movie Channel getting its own 24/7 service and A&E premiring on Nick?

    • @stephenholloway6893
      @stephenholloway6893 6 років тому +3

      Either a channel that got lost in history or nothing. Funny thing on USA, today Comcast (after buying NBC Universal) is that channel's parent company. While yes BET and Nickelodeon are now owned by Viacom.

    • @stephenholloway6893
      @stephenholloway6893 6 років тому +1

      Following with some research, A precursor to A&E called ARTS (or Alpha Repertory Television Service) took over the Star/ Movie Channel's slot. That was in 1981. That channel later merged with another called The Entertainment Channel and thus A&E was born in 1984. Then A&E moved to it's own channel and since 1985, that slot became Nick at Nite.

  • @meyerj75
    @meyerj75 Рік тому

    Just another "past was a mistake" moment.

  • @drawnseeker
    @drawnseeker 6 років тому

    Thank you for working so hard on your videoes!

  • @Justin-Hill-1987
    @Justin-Hill-1987 3 роки тому +1

    People were confused...I'd blame it on local cable providers choosing to fill up that time with another network's programming...one cable provider put Playboy Channel in that spot, which sounded like a bad idea to parents' groups at the time, and it still is!

  • @unwelldanny7108
    @unwelldanny7108 6 років тому

    BornonJune8 was probably originally a vandal who eventually added true info, kinda like me.
    I believed it, too; but hey! Nickelodeon DID air programming with black (main) characters in 1980. Video Comic Book had The New Teen Titans as part of their line-up. Cyborg was a Nick star once. "In case ya don't know me..."

  • @michaelmalone7231
    @michaelmalone7231 3 роки тому

    I've known about the usa network connection since the 80s because, quite frankly, I remember it. And I'm a 52 year old white guy who paid attention to details back when I was 11-12 years old. I remember the old video soul before MTV started and the movies like Blacula, The Monkey Hu$tle featuring Yaphet Kotto, and Diana Ross' Mahogany that were featured. I also remember the poor editing of those movies for tv. A lot of nip slips.

  • @ClaudeLv250
    @ClaudeLv250 4 роки тому +1

    This reminds me of the fake Inspector Gadget cartoon, a hoax in the late 00's that somehow managed to maintain a wikipedia page for 2 years and even got an IMDb page before people caught on.

    • @weirdotzero7065
      @weirdotzero7065 2 роки тому

      I'm curious about this one.
      May I ask, what was this hoax about?

  • @NelvanaFan1971
    @NelvanaFan1971 9 місяців тому

    BET aired on USA 1980-1983

  • @alannamcfall7887
    @alannamcfall7887 6 років тому

    Ooh, this video is really good.

  • @NelvanaFan1971
    @NelvanaFan1971 9 місяців тому

    The first 2 minutes are just Street Sharks

  • @M644theawesome
    @M644theawesome 5 років тому

    I know this is prob too late to ask but where are the edit history, i do want to see what was said around when he changed to remove BET on the wiki, i cant find it and i don't know for sure how to use the edit history search on Wikipedia

  • @animationloverslacker2405
    @animationloverslacker2405 11 місяців тому

    Internet being such a mess to find history is why we have people unironically believing that the earth is flat and that we didn't land of the moon more often

  • @shadegreen5351
    @shadegreen5351 5 років тому +1

    mandela effect explained

  • @PositionLight
    @PositionLight 6 років тому +2

    This is a common type of error that I encounter all the time in my work
    on transportation history. It's typically non-malicious because the
    history in question is either mostly true or partly true. In this case
    BET did start as a 2 hour block of programming being hosted on a
    different cable channel late at night. The fact of this channel being
    Nickelodeon or USA is literally trivia. I mean I'm sure it matters in
    some contexts, but it doesn't really change the narrative or the take
    away. Someone in the pipeline mistook the USA network for Nickelodeon
    and repeated the mistaken fact to someone who probably wrote it down in a
    somewhat authoritative source.
    A big source of these issues are
    accounts from human sources that otherwise should know what the real
    story is. It's easy to assume that executives or authors involved with a
    creative work or business would be able to recount every last detail of
    institutional knowledge from memory, but getting small details wrong is
    what people excel at. I'd bet that the BET on Nick story probably
    originated from a cable industry professional that simply mixed up two
    networks. The reporter or author has no reason to doubt their story and
    prints it.

    • @chito19902008
      @chito19902008 4 роки тому +3

      In some areas it did share a channel with Nickelodeon due to cable providers not having a dedicated channel for BET to air 24 hours it only happened at night after around 8pm but it in fact did happen to some people i remember it!

  • @CNFunnyJon
    @CNFunnyJon 6 років тому

    You can release #16 on April Fool's Day. XD

  • @CNFunnyJon
    @CNFunnyJon 6 років тому +3

    Nickelodeon!!! Bring back Venus de Milo!!! You idiots! XD

  • @Rock-my2ko
    @Rock-my2ko 6 років тому

    10th......is dead

  • @Furore2323
    @Furore2323 6 років тому

    *kissfingers*

  • @gatorboymike
    @gatorboymike 6 років тому

    What else did we get wrong in history? Jesus, Greg, don't feed the conspiracy trolls.

    • @XanthusPictures
      @XanthusPictures 6 років тому +2

      Hey, our ideas of history are changing all the time. It’s not just conspiracy theories.