For everyone bringing up "pretentiousness" as a concept in art, I highly recommend this video by Kyle Kallgren on the subject: ua-cam.com/video/U2Jaj07bm_8/v-deo.html
T B Skyen I would not call it pretentious i would say it being used and abused and its losing its core value, but thats the world we live in like italian used to sell “artist shit” to troll the scene and it end up selling for huge loads of money therefore artist got trolled yet he was like, okay you want it, lets overprice it lets watch the world burn...
Hey T B Skyen, I found this video to be very interesting. I am a High School student and I was trying to think of a potential bill to propose for I model congress when I came across this video. I was wondering if you had any ideas about solutions to this form of money laundering and sources to learn more about this issue from. Thank you for making such an thoughtful, creative, and honest video. 👍
There is better Art. Lowbrow Art/Popsurrealism and Kitsch art actually look good. 1) Low Brow Art Movement was based off Comic Books Cartoons, Surrealist Paintings by Picasso, 1980s Punk Rock Music, and Street Graffiti. True the Art Movement Over Sexualize Women in Cartoon form and looks like you are watching a Kids show high on drugs but the paintings are pretty interesting. 2) Kitsch is about making art with over exaggerated emotions that modern art rejects. It was made to criticize the Art Community. It has two main styles Camp and Odd Nerdrum art. Camp Art is Cutesy, brightly colored, focused on pleasant emotions. Unfortunately its most beautiful works associated with Tomas Kinkade a controversial Conservative Christian Artist who was an alcoholic. Then there is Odd Nerdrum art which is based of Representational Art based off the Old Western Tradition. Like Renaissance Art, and 18th Century Expressionist Art, and other Western Art Movements Pre-Modern Art.
Leonardo was legendarily distracted and often procrastinated endlessly on simple works, proving once and for all that artists are artists everywhere and at all times
Also, _The Divine Comedy_ was a self-insert historical/mythological fanfiction, bringing together all of Dante's favorite and least favorite mythic and historical dead guys for him to talk to, with enough symbolism (and enduring ideas about the nature of hell, though _Purgatorio_ and _Paradisio_ didn't catch on as well) to make it seem important. And don't get me started on King Arthur's knights!
@@thanksforreading33 To keep it short, Lancelot was basically a Mary Sue (awesome, perfectly noble, gets the girl instead of Arthur, etc) and Galahad was written by authors who thought of courtly love as plain old adultery to be even better than Lancelot (who was by then an established "canon" character). That's not getting into how the whole story of King Arthur is basically elaborate fanfiction of a character mentioned in a couple passages in some history tome.
an interesting thing I noticed about the banana taped to a wall is that if you stare at it while being really angry at rich people it kinda starts looking like a hammer and sickle.
I kinda thought the joke was that the banana would eventually rot and the tape will lose it's stick. So the longer the banana is stowed away to gain value for 100 or so years, the less valuable it looks
The way Skyen pronouces French and Italian names, especially Leonardo Da Vinci, truly an great art. On more sentimental note if the value of an artwork comes from the story, the art Drawfee produce is fucking priceless to me, because it always either awe stricking in quality or hilarious
More or less. It's a fascinating work with a lot of cool techniques used to make it, but the whole "greatest painting in the world" thing is pure PR and hype
My teacher just said ''If I put my signature on a toilet seat and try to sell it as ready-made art I will end up in a house for crazy people, if a fancy artist does the same thing they will be cheered on and the thing will be sold for an insane amount of money. And well That's the only explanation we needed.
11:30: ...I now want to read a historical comedy where Kaiser Wilhelm sends agents to steal the _Mona Lisa,_ only to be beaten by the museum staff and settle for taking some junk from the gift shop.
@@jackzx13 it's pretty similar in concept to "my bed". Look it up. You also need to consider the practicalities and logistics of how to go about exhibiting the piece, and what specifically you're saying with it.
Jokes on you, the bananas will rot so the piece is extremely limited edition! Plus, it's organic and kind of feels like a person that appreciates your kink of taping helpless things to walls
So glad you used the forbidden C-word ("Capitalism") this is the first time I came across your channel, I subscribed immediately when you had the balls to call it out for what it actually is, *Capitalism.* Most people are either too brainwashed or afraid to say it as it is
Can I just say I am mesmerized at the way you look at things coz dang that analysis is amazing- not to mention I learned a lot- Thank You So Much. Rn I can't help monetarily, I will when I can♡
I do have a funny art story to tell, but first some context. So my Mom has be a freelance photographer and artist since the 70's and my Dad is color blind. He can see some colors, but most colors blend together into a mussy mess of browns and greys. Now, for the story. I love going to Museums and every Christmas my family would make our annual trip to the art museum to see the Christmas exhibit. One year the exhibit featured a Modern Art section. And while it was neat, it was also rather strange. One piece in particular was a large circle of rocks placed in the middle of the floor. Nothing else just a ring of rocks. (not even pretty rocks, just rocks). As my mom and I were reading the explanation of the piece, my dad announced very loudly that he knew what it was............ He claimed that it was a fire pit.......... And wanted to know where the firewood was. He even asked a security guard if they had any marshmallows to roast. While my mom and I rolled are eyes and the guard had a good chuckle. The Curator of the exhibit was not amused. We were promptly escorted from the hall. Anyway that's my art story. Have a nice day. 😊
As a musician and lover of art, I think, and many more like Mahler, the monetization of art was the start of it's own decadence. Yes an artist needs to live and needs money for it, but when you put a price at a piece of art you are minimizing it's artistic value. A piece of art is NOT created with the thought of making money, and that demonstrates that this banana is not art.
My argument would be that the fact that you're being forced to consider the banana as an object of meaning and communication, rather than just a banana with some tape on it, means that it IS art. Even if that art isn't, y'know, genius or necessarily especially interesting.
Class mates of mine once stood in front of a blank wall in a museum and talked about it. Someone then came along and took a picture of that wall. But that is just my opinion on modern art
So obviously these taped bananas increase in value the more they ripen into a black peel filled with mush, but the real question is how much are the fruit flies that are born out of this rotting masterpiece worth?
Man...i JUST heard about money laundry but didnt think it was like that..and ive been doing art like with digital art and stuff...and went to school for art for a bit but this i actually never heard. And im just starting out with painting. Im like this ☺ to this 😶 Very interesting dept video though! But cant wait to get even better with art. I got an interest on my first painting already! So good start for me!
probably an obscure comment to make, but for my english class i had to read john berger's essay "ways of seeing," which discusses the gatekeeping of art by the rich from the poor. it talks about the mystification of art as objects and market worth, like you discuss. great read on the topic
Also, consider this. On the Internet, nothing "fixes" things better than duct tape. On the Internet, nothings "scales" things better than a banana. A "work of art" that is inflated throughout the Internet... get it?
I know youre more of a game channel, but I like your take on the art world. Conceptual art is sold so the owner of the certificate can replicate it in their own museum/space. Like selling blueprints. I'd watching your art discussion videos any day !
5:15 I'm not a tax lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that's not how tax breaks work. If you get a 2 million dollar tax break, that doesn't mean you pay 2 million less, it just means your taxable income decreases by 2 million dollars. So realistically, the top income tax rate is 40%-50%, so you actually pay only 800k-1m less in taxes. Subtract from that the initial 100k (plus lost interest) that you paid, and it's still a very profitable investment, but not as profitable as you make it seem.
modern art criticising modern art usually goes like this: artist makes a ridiculous piece of art to make fun of the market and how they will buy literally anything for insane prices, there even was a guy who canned his poop to prove this point, pretentious rich people buy said ridiculous art piece proving the point of the artist and then nothing changes, said pretentious rich people discuss what amazing criticism that piece is and then will continue to keep doing and buying said pieces that are criticising them
@@vassily-labroslabrakos2263 - that might be part of the piece. What manner of considerations would an archivist make in order to best preserve this piece? I'm guessing it's best stored in a warm dry place, where the fruit can dehydrate without growing mold. There are plenty of examples of art being made with materials that change over time. First one that comes to mind is the guy that paints with chocolate.
Hey, I really want to tank you. Thank you for using your own time to give a honest hint on this topic, it's really intresting and I hope to see other videos like this.
Art wise: Reminds me of going to the museum and seeing a white canvas with nothing but an off centered red dot. Thing was plasma tv size too. Topic Wise: I'd love to see a historical analysis of this "story makes the value goes up" when it comes to like video games. (I'm thinking of underdog franchises like Shantae but a smaller control group of like lol champs would work too as something cool to look into.)
I loved this analysis, thank you. Too often the discussion around modern art has nothing to do with the art, and everything to do with the inflated/arbitrary monetary value. I like the way you reframed the discussion.
There's a related video that also ties into this really well to this. Called "The Kunst Saga | How the Right Wing views modern art" by Patricia Taxxon. It expands on art's unhealthy relationship to capitalism, and talks about people who misdiagnose the problem to serve their own horrid agenda. It's really great.
you know, this video has explained a lot of things for me, and not necessarily the things you'd expect. i've never been particularly impressed by the mona lisa. i never understood why this random portrait became the most famous image in the world, because in all honesty, it's just not very impressive to look at. oh sure, there's a lot of technical skill on display and it was made by davinci himself, but at the same time, it's just not very interesting to look at. it doesn't make me think anything when i look at it. the sistine chapel makes me think in awe of the effort it took, but this? it's not that impressive, in fact, it's routine for a renaissance master. and this explains why. it's not that impressive of a painting and it wasn't intended to be, people lose their shit over it because it's a meme, the original definition of that word. it's a cultural concept passed down and people impress importance on it, and i was never taught to impress importance on it, so i don't.
“People always ask me how can we charge so much for what amounts to gradations of white. I tell them it’s not about the artist’s name, or the skill required, not even about the art itself. All that matters is, how does it make you feel?” “It makes me feel alone.” Vanessa Fisk and Wilson Fisk in Daredevil.
FYI, that's not how tax deductions work. If you donate $2 million worth of art, you reduce your *taxable income* by $2M. You do not get to reduce your tax *bill* by $2M. (That would be a tax credit, not a deduction.)
It's an important distinction for a tax man. Debatable how important it is for the video; it inflates how profitable art can be, but the point is still there.
So basically, art's not bad. Capitalism's bad. You did a very good job at illustrating your point. Hope this video gets shared so more people can benefit from it.
i will always stick through thick and thin with what one of my literature teachers told me about art, if it doesn't move me, if it doesn't generate a change within me, if it doesn't inspire or make me question fundamental stuff, then it's not art to me, it might be to you, but it will never be to me, and viceversa what might move me make me think and question is art to me but if it doesn't do the same for you then it's not art to you because art will always be subjective
I mean, heck, now i want to make a golden washing machine and call it "laundry". but I don't have that kind of gold. Or the knowledge of how a washing machine works.
There was a 18k gold toilet, completely functional and solid gold mind you, held up as an art installation somewhere in northern europe, the UK I'm pretty sure. Apparently guests of the museum it was in could use it, and it was a pretty cool toilet. It got stolen and to my knowledge still has a 100k £ reward for finding and returning it. Edit: I watched the video, /oh dear./
*Genial analysis!!!* Today anyone can be artist, its not about art any more so yeah... money❤️ As artist, i find it hard , but not impossible, today to explain to your common folk, difference between art and prestigious art And why some art peaces, are priced in millions of dollars (specially abstract peaces such as Rothko, or Mondrian) I bookmarked it, so i can send it to people to get the deeper grasp at the topic, perfecto. Some true artist really do put idea first before visual, or visual is the result if mind work. But in 2019 thanks to internet, you can just copy paste without mind, sell the idea and screw the elitists... And thus we have a massive confusion and respecting art today...
Wish you had put links to the suggested videos in the description. Bit inconvenient to have to go back through the video to find them. This has been informative...among other things I best not mention. Thanks for posting by the way. This is a good video. I'll remember this information.
Every item or service sold is worth what someone is willing to pay for it; therefore the banana artwork is worth $120,000 because someone paid that much for it.
I expect the artist will visit the buyers weekly to replace the banana. You can’t have any random person taping the banana, there isn’t any value to that apparently.
wow this is such an interesting video!!!! As an artist myself i cannot agree more about the final part about how art should be interpreted and how it on its own irrelevant to 3rd party influences. keep it up fam!!! cant wait for the videogame boycott video xD
But the banana will go bad soon. You can't store it and wait for it to become millions. I guess you mean that it's the prestigue of buying said banana?
6:10 actually, art has been used uplift the status of the wealthy and privileged well before the renaissance. Although we marvel at the size of Pyramids of Giza, I can't imagine the laborers/slaves for the pyramids were too happy being forced to build such as crazy design. I imagine that the average person living in egypt during that time was probably really upset about it.
Someone already did.....literally ate it. And the only one who's at loss is the rich dummy who paid for it, because the artist definitely couldn't care less.
This reminds me of art school but almost no one called out the poop about prices. I always said in school the best modern artist is an even better lawyer. Not saying that reflects art itself just what generally is viewed as good art.
For everyone bringing up "pretentiousness" as a concept in art, I highly recommend this video by Kyle Kallgren on the subject: ua-cam.com/video/U2Jaj07bm_8/v-deo.html
T B Skyen I would not call it pretentious i would say it being used and abused and its losing its core value, but thats the world we live in like italian used to sell “artist shit” to troll the scene and it end up selling for huge loads of money therefore artist got trolled yet he was like, okay you want it, lets overprice it lets watch the world burn...
Hey T B Skyen, I found this video to be very interesting. I am a High School student and I was trying to think of a potential bill to propose for I model congress when I came across this video. I was wondering if you had any ideas about solutions to this form of money laundering and sources to learn more about this issue from. Thank you for making such an thoughtful, creative, and honest video. 👍
@@bigpotato3036 I know very little about anti-fraud financial law, so I don't think I can help you there
@@kikeheebchinkjigaboo6631 lmao go cry into your Ben Shapiro body pillow, nerd
There is better Art. Lowbrow Art/Popsurrealism and Kitsch art actually look good.
1) Low Brow Art Movement was based off Comic Books Cartoons, Surrealist Paintings by Picasso, 1980s Punk Rock Music, and Street Graffiti. True the Art Movement Over Sexualize Women in Cartoon form and looks like you are watching a Kids show high on drugs but the paintings are pretty interesting.
2) Kitsch is about making art with over exaggerated emotions that modern art rejects. It was made to criticize the Art Community. It has two main styles Camp and Odd Nerdrum art.
Camp Art is Cutesy, brightly colored, focused on pleasant emotions. Unfortunately its most beautiful works associated with Tomas Kinkade a controversial Conservative Christian Artist who was an alcoholic. Then there is Odd Nerdrum art which is based of Representational Art based off the Old Western Tradition. Like Renaissance Art, and 18th Century Expressionist Art, and other Western Art Movements Pre-Modern Art.
I'm gonna do my own piece of art, a bag full of money inside a washing machine.
Wait, money laundering is illegal
Ahahah!
Why not? It's dirty money.
Sounds like a pretty *clean* art!
Truth
There's something about the Mona Lisa being a half-assed comission that I find beautiful.
Leonardo was legendarily distracted and often procrastinated endlessly on simple works, proving once and for all that artists are artists everywhere and at all times
If he was alive today he'd deffo be doing Hentai commissions
Also, _The Divine Comedy_ was a self-insert historical/mythological fanfiction, bringing together all of Dante's favorite and least favorite mythic and historical dead guys for him to talk to, with enough symbolism (and enduring ideas about the nature of hell, though _Purgatorio_ and _Paradisio_ didn't catch on as well) to make it seem important. And don't get me started on King Arthur's knights!
@@timothymclean w-what about king Arthur's knights?
@@thanksforreading33 To keep it short, Lancelot was basically a Mary Sue (awesome, perfectly noble, gets the girl instead of Arthur, etc) and Galahad was written by authors who thought of courtly love as plain old adultery to be even better than Lancelot (who was by then an established "canon" character).
That's not getting into how the whole story of King Arthur is basically elaborate fanfiction of a character mentioned in a couple passages in some history tome.
an interesting thing I noticed about the banana taped to a wall is that if you stare at it while being really angry at rich people it kinda starts looking like a hammer and sickle.
It reminds that time people killed each other because of bananas but not really or did they?
@@menib7574 The banana republics happened, and for USSR citizens the banana was a rare treat around chrismas, so yeah
pegasBaO23 Banana Republic Is An Actual Store
@@BrodinYT okay, but I wasn't talking about that
@@pegasBaO23 banana wars, banana republics. American corporations paying our politicians for war and regime change
I kinda thought the joke was that the banana would eventually rot and the tape will lose it's stick. So the longer the banana is stowed away to gain value for 100 or so years, the less valuable it looks
The way Skyen pronouces French and Italian names, especially Leonardo Da Vinci, truly an great art.
On more sentimental note if the value of an artwork comes from the story, the art Drawfee produce is fucking priceless to me, because it always either awe stricking in quality or hilarious
oh god at the beginning I was scared you where actually gonna defend it
I wanna see a repeat of “Who’s afraid of Modern Art”, except someone just brings a blender, takes the bananas, and makes a smoothie.
someone has already eaten one banana tho
I love when comrade Skyen leaps out
Best part about this is that someone just went ahead and ate the banana
wait did it actually happen?
@@atocanboi409 yep. Another "artist", as a sign of disrespect I guess
@@davidecarusone3333 *click* noice
@@davidecarusone3333 Sure do wonder if they're going to have to pay for that banana... And how much it'll be. That was one expensive snack.
@@undefinederror40404 no, they replaced the banana and said "this is the official art piece now" and its value went up to 150.000
I'm not even joking
This is the same artist that put a giant middle finger in front of Milan's stock market.
Didn't know about that one. I like that.
This reminds me of the Banksy artwork being shredded at an auction, and it's value went up.
So you're telling me the Mona Lisa is a random painting that got over hyped?
More or less. It's a fascinating work with a lot of cool techniques used to make it, but the whole "greatest painting in the world" thing is pure PR and hype
Mile Dávid umm not a good comparison lol
Now let's see those high school art teachers try to explain this art piece in a ridiculously wonderful manner.
My teacher just said
''If I put my signature on a toilet seat and try to sell it as ready-made art I will end up in a house for crazy people, if a fancy artist does the same thing they will be cheered on and the thing will be sold for an insane amount of money.
And well
That's the only explanation we needed.
Really depends on the teacher, i havent really met one like that yet
My art teacher in 7th grade basically said that the artist’s statements usually is more important than the art itself.
Also let s not forget that Mona Lisa started some weird hand fetish
Oh dear. it seems you've seen it
RaphTrap what...?
Hipster Potato it’s a reference to Jojo’s Bizzare Adventure
It’s not the skill that makes a piece of art valuable, it’s the story
11:30: ...I now want to read a historical comedy where Kaiser Wilhelm sends agents to steal the _Mona Lisa,_ only to be beaten by the museum staff and settle for taking some junk from the gift shop.
“Creativity takes courage” - Henri Matisse
"Hey look at this Bananna, lol" - Maurizio Cattelan
At this point it is not about the Art anymore, its about the Artist.
banenen es gut
iT's cOnCePtUaL aRt
Wie bitte?
Whenever I see things like that I feel like I dont belong in this world and just want to straight up die
I got an art concept, and I could easily do it. A sink filled with dirty dishes.
I think this was already been done.
@@Doktor_Jones Dammit. Somehow beat me to the punchline!
@@jackzx13 it's pretty similar in concept to "my bed". Look it up. You also need to consider the practicalities and logistics of how to go about exhibiting the piece, and what specifically you're saying with it.
@@TerenceMichaelReeves it was just a joke
Sure, sure. Regardless, my point is: you *could*..
Jokes on you, the bananas will rot so the piece is extremely limited edition!
Plus, it's organic and kind of feels like a person that appreciates your kink of taping helpless things to walls
The artist said you can replace the banana as needed on the news 💀💀
@@orangegreenlizard Nice. Even more taping things to walls. Entertaining with the constant threat that you'll ruin your 150k$ art piece
So glad you used the forbidden C-word ("Capitalism") this is the first time I came across your channel, I subscribed immediately when you had the balls to call it out for what it actually is, *Capitalism.* Most people are either too brainwashed or afraid to say it as it is
But... but... its not... its shitty people doing shitty things...
Or:
What's the Deal With This Banana?
Recognizing the background music as Picture at an Exhibition made me grin, thanks for the great video!
Can I just say I am mesmerized at the way you look at things coz dang that analysis is amazing- not to mention I learned a lot- Thank You So Much. Rn I can't help monetarily, I will when I can♡
Please don't stress about it, Patreon and stuff is only there for people who can comfortably afford it :)
@@TBSkyen okii, but I shall do so when I am economically active xD
I do have a funny art story to tell, but first some context. So my Mom has be a freelance photographer and artist since the 70's and my Dad is color blind. He can see some colors, but most colors blend together into a mussy mess of browns and greys. Now, for the story. I love going to Museums and every Christmas my family would make our annual trip to the art museum to see the Christmas exhibit. One year the exhibit featured a Modern Art section. And while it was neat, it was also rather strange. One piece in particular was a large circle of rocks placed in the middle of the floor. Nothing else just a ring of rocks. (not even pretty rocks, just rocks). As my mom and I were reading the explanation of the piece, my dad announced very loudly that he knew what it was............ He claimed that it was a fire pit.......... And wanted to know where the firewood was. He even asked a security guard if they had any marshmallows to roast. While my mom and I rolled are eyes and the guard had a good chuckle. The Curator of the exhibit was not amused.
We were promptly escorted from the hall.
Anyway that's my art story. Have a nice day. 😊
Nice story lmao
As a musician and lover of art, I think, and many more like Mahler, the monetization of art was the start of it's own decadence. Yes an artist needs to live and needs money for it, but when you put a price at a piece of art you are minimizing it's artistic value. A piece of art is NOT created with the thought of making money, and that demonstrates that this banana is not art.
My argument would be that the fact that you're being forced to consider the banana as an object of meaning and communication, rather than just a banana with some tape on it, means that it IS art. Even if that art isn't, y'know, genius or necessarily especially interesting.
Class mates of mine once stood in front of a blank wall in a museum and talked about it. Someone then came along and took a picture of that wall. But that is just my opinion on modern art
So obviously these taped bananas increase in value the more they ripen into a black peel filled with mush, but the real question is how much are the fruit flies that are born out of this rotting masterpiece worth?
Man...i JUST heard about money laundry but didnt think it was like that..and ive been doing art like with digital art and stuff...and went to school for art for a bit but this i actually never heard.
And im just starting out with painting.
Im like this ☺ to this 😶
Very interesting dept video though!
But cant wait to get even better with art. I got an interest on my first painting already! So good start for me!
So everything can be explained by tax evasion.
Boys, we did it again
probably an obscure comment to make, but for my english class i had to read john berger's essay "ways of seeing," which discusses the gatekeeping of art by the rich from the poor. it talks about the mystification of art as objects and market worth, like you discuss. great read on the topic
Also, consider this.
On the Internet, nothing "fixes" things better than duct tape.
On the Internet, nothings "scales" things better than a banana.
A "work of art" that is inflated throughout the Internet... get it?
Sounds like something my art teacher would come up with.
So a banana stuck to a wall is worth 120'000 Dollars but when I throw fleshlights at walls to make them stick to it I'm seen as a delinquent.
I loved how you told the stories of the artworks! I would love to see more art related stuff like this!
TL;DW: It's for people who fancy shameless money laundering.
Thank you for making this video! You were able to articulate my feelings on this topic in a way I couldn't.
For $120,000 that banana better cure cancer with one bite or even make you immortal, but nope.
I know youre more of a game channel, but I like your take on the art world. Conceptual art is sold so the owner of the certificate can replicate it in their own museum/space. Like selling blueprints. I'd watching your art discussion videos any day !
5:15 I'm not a tax lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that's not how tax breaks work. If you get a 2 million dollar tax break, that doesn't mean you pay 2 million less, it just means your taxable income decreases by 2 million dollars. So realistically, the top income tax rate is 40%-50%, so you actually pay only 800k-1m less in taxes. Subtract from that the initial 100k (plus lost interest) that you paid, and it's still a very profitable investment, but not as profitable as you make it seem.
modern art criticising modern art usually goes like this: artist makes a ridiculous piece of art to make fun of the market and how they will buy literally anything for insane prices, there even was a guy who canned his poop to prove this point, pretentious rich people buy said ridiculous art piece proving the point of the artist and then nothing changes, said pretentious rich people discuss what amazing criticism that piece is and then will continue to keep doing and buying said pieces that are criticising them
Yeah, another demonstration that the ridiculous prices have nothing to do with the work itself, and everything to do with prestige and investment.
Not to mention that The comedian( the artpiece) wil be gone in1-2years at best and might make other stored artworks an health danger.
@@vassily-labroslabrakos2263 - that might be part of the piece. What manner of considerations would an archivist make in order to best preserve this piece? I'm guessing it's best stored in a warm dry place, where the fruit can dehydrate without growing mold. There are plenty of examples of art being made with materials that change over time. First one that comes to mind is the guy that paints with chocolate.
6:18
This is what annoys me the most, poor Bob who's trying hard while some other person tapes a banana to a wall :/
This makes that one episode of its always sunny real
This video hits different my man, great essay.
I am here from the future (One day after this video).
Another artist ate the banana...
The way T B Skyen pronounce "Louvre" and "Leonado Da Vinci" makes me feel something down there
Hey, I really want to tank you. Thank you for using your own time to give a honest hint on this topic, it's really intresting and I hope to see other videos like this.
Art wise: Reminds me of going to the museum and seeing a white canvas with nothing but an off centered red dot. Thing was plasma tv size too.
Topic Wise: I'd love to see a historical analysis of this "story makes the value goes up" when it comes to like video games. (I'm thinking of underdog franchises like Shantae but a smaller control group of like lol champs would work too as something cool to look into.)
I loved this analysis, thank you. Too often the discussion around modern art has nothing to do with the art, and everything to do with the inflated/arbitrary monetary value. I like the way you reframed the discussion.
There's a related video that also ties into this really well to this. Called "The Kunst Saga | How the Right Wing views modern art" by Patricia Taxxon. It expands on art's unhealthy relationship to capitalism, and talks about people who misdiagnose the problem to serve their own horrid agenda. It's really great.
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I love your emerson lake and palmer cover music background
why isn't there a prestige ward skin that looks like a golden toilet?
Very Abstract indeed, I am looking forward to buying it for 250,000 dollars!
Yusuke Kitagawa is falling to his knees in despair at this.
you know, this video has explained a lot of things for me, and not necessarily the things you'd expect.
i've never been particularly impressed by the mona lisa. i never understood why this random portrait became the most famous image in the world, because in all honesty, it's just not very impressive to look at. oh sure, there's a lot of technical skill on display and it was made by davinci himself, but at the same time, it's just not very interesting to look at. it doesn't make me think anything when i look at it. the sistine chapel makes me think in awe of the effort it took, but this? it's not that impressive, in fact, it's routine for a renaissance master.
and this explains why. it's not that impressive of a painting and it wasn't intended to be, people lose their shit over it because it's a meme, the original definition of that word. it's a cultural concept passed down and people impress importance on it, and i was never taught to impress importance on it, so i don't.
I have learned so much from this man. Why is his content so good?
???: I opened a bottle cap, This is an art.
me: ???
“People always ask me how can we charge so much for what amounts to gradations of white. I tell them it’s not about the artist’s name, or the skill required, not even about the art itself. All that matters is, how does it make you feel?”
“It makes me feel alone.”
Vanessa Fisk and Wilson Fisk in Daredevil.
Comrade Skyen made a great nuanced take yet again. I appreciate your work so much dude!
Pictures of an exhibition as background music - good choice!
Man, this video is a masterpiece. I am blown away by your analysis, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Loved this new video skyen, would love to hear you talk more about art history.
FYI, that's not how tax deductions work. If you donate $2 million worth of art, you reduce your *taxable income* by $2M. You do not get to reduce your tax *bill* by $2M. (That would be a tax credit, not a deduction.)
It's an important distinction for a tax man. Debatable how important it is for the video; it inflates how profitable art can be, but the point is still there.
I love these article videos that you occasionally make.
So basically, art's not bad. Capitalism's bad.
You did a very good job at illustrating your point. Hope this video gets shared so more people can benefit from it.
i will always stick through thick and thin with what one of my literature teachers told me about art, if it doesn't move me, if it doesn't generate a change within me, if it doesn't inspire or make me question fundamental stuff, then it's not art to me, it might be to you, but it will never be to me, and viceversa what might move me make me think and question is art to me but if it doesn't do the same for you then it's not art to you because art will always be subjective
*"humans nowadays"*
*"Rich guys nowadays"*
This is a great break down. Imma share this on my Facebook.
In the future people will buy memes just like they did with Pepe the frog
If Roy Licthenstein can get away with it, anyone can.
@@DanielsAlt503 kinda forgot about this comment :O
The use of music on this video is top notch.
I think the reason it worth that much is because if you eat it, it give you an ability to turn into giraffe but you lose the ability to swim
*standing ovation* You did a fantastic job explaining this!
This is really brilliant video. You just earned yourself a subscriber
Very interesting video! Thanks for making it!
I mean, heck, now i want to make a golden washing machine and call it "laundry". but I don't have that kind of gold. Or the knowledge of how a washing machine works.
There was a 18k gold toilet, completely functional and solid gold mind you, held up as an art installation somewhere in northern europe, the UK I'm pretty sure. Apparently guests of the museum it was in could use it, and it was a pretty cool toilet.
It got stolen and to my knowledge still has a 100k £ reward for finding and returning it.
Edit: I watched the video, /oh dear./
*Genial analysis!!!*
Today anyone can be artist, its not about art any more so yeah... money❤️
As artist, i find it hard , but not impossible, today to explain to your common folk, difference between art and prestigious art
And why some art peaces, are priced in millions of dollars (specially abstract peaces such as Rothko, or Mondrian)
I bookmarked it, so i can send it to people to get the deeper grasp at the topic, perfecto.
Some true artist really do put idea first before visual, or visual is the result if mind work. But in 2019 thanks to internet, you can just copy paste without mind, sell the idea and screw the elitists... And thus we have a massive confusion and respecting art today...
Wish you had put links to the suggested videos in the description. Bit inconvenient to have to go back through the video to find them. This has been informative...among other things I best not mention. Thanks for posting by the way. This is a good video. I'll remember this information.
*AH.....AH.....AAAHHHHH-DeAtHtOcaPiTaLiSM*
Whew sorry about that. Anyone got a tissue?
Every item or service sold is worth what someone is willing to pay for it; therefore the banana artwork is worth $120,000 because someone paid that much for it.
That was certainly Edmund Burke's theory of value and trade. Most economists would disagree with it.
No i dont think it works like that.
I expect the artist will visit the buyers weekly to replace the banana.
You can’t have any random person taping the banana, there isn’t any value to that apparently.
Someone Just decided to say this banana was 120k and everyone believed it
wow this is such an interesting video!!!! As an artist myself i cannot agree more about the final part about how art should be interpreted and how it on its own irrelevant to 3rd party influences.
keep it up fam!!! cant wait for the videogame boycott video xD
Louvre is so huge, Mona Lisa is truly last thing i wanna see there...
Great video great teacher Skyen
But the banana will go bad soon. You can't store it and wait for it to become millions.
I guess you mean that it's the prestigue of buying said banana?
And of the story of buying it. It's never about the artwork itself.
Scam: edible vs inedible
KaBLAM: edible vs edifice
6:10 actually, art has been used uplift the status of the wealthy and privileged well before the renaissance.
Although we marvel at the size of Pyramids of Giza, I can't imagine the laborers/slaves for the pyramids were too happy being forced to build such as crazy design. I imagine that the average person living in egypt during that time was probably really upset about it.
My classmates taped a banana to the classroom wall and it kinda ruined the wall paper after ripping it off
Maurizio Cattelan to the Internet, _"No one expects the banana"_
Everybody gangsta till the banana gets rotten
But... won't the banana rot? Or is there something Im missing here.
It's called money laundering. Eat the rich
Agreed.
Someone already did.....literally ate it.
And the only one who's at loss is the rich dummy who paid for it, because the artist definitely couldn't care less.
@@RadenWA Someone ate the rich guy's banana, but nobody ate the rich guy :(
A banana rots and you can't donate or sell it later, though.
The perfect video doesnt exi-
The investment, banana rots in 7 days and its worth 1million now
what,,,, happens when it rots
Beauty fades... That is why it is beautiful
I'm suspicious that this art piece is a short-term investment.
this taped banana is one of the SCP anomalies.
This reminds me of art school but almost no one called out the poop about prices. I always said in school the best modern artist is an even better lawyer. Not saying that reflects art itself just what generally is viewed as good art.
I read some where that the duct taped banana has been eaten by a gallery a visitor. Now, *that is the most expensive* fruit. 🍌 🤣
Good luck selling a banana in ten years...