Wow, you have some balls. I’m glad you said you wouldn’t do it again. There’s a lot of mistakes that you explained you did, it’s great nothing bad happened. So just some info for you and other people that are in the back country. Backhoe transport mode is only while driving the backhoe, not actually transporting the machine. All buckets need to be secured and that usually means you need to tie it while it’s on the floor. Transporting equipment need to have transport grade chains, which are 70. The four corners need to be tied down with chain and chain binders need to be used to tighten the chains. Both buckets also need to be tied down. You cannot leave the front bucket in the air and past the tongue of the trailer. Minimum for a backhoe this size is a 24 foot equipment trailer. Again, glad you made it home safe. We all learn from things we do and it sounds like you learned quite a bit. I was impressed how the trailer didn’t squat and the back of your truck was pretty level.
Thanks for the information, that’s very helpful! I’ve since upgraded to a 24’ gooseneck with G70 chains and ratchet binders, it seriously is a world of difference. In addition to this, brakes are okay, but it’s a struggle to pull with an unmodified 12 valve, so readers beware!
You have to add the weight of your trailer to your gvw. A 10000lb trailer can only haul 6800 lbs maybe a little more depending how heavy your trailer is. You were way over loaded and lucky to be alive.
I haul my 580se on a 25000 dual tandem 36' gooseneck. You need a heavier capacity and longer deck length trailer. Thats a major accident waiting to happen.
I too searched the internet for how to tow a backhoe with a pickup. Not much info out there... I ended up using a 14k trailer with my 2500... It was a 20ft deck, so fit just fine, balance was OK. I didn't have far to go, just across town.
I pulled a 14000 lb backhoe with a 3/4 ton chevy with a 454 engine, and it was scary. I wound up driving 25 miles per hour and would never do it again. Trying to stop was a nightmare, and I also got fish tailing. My trailer was a heavy duty equipment trailer, but the truck suspension just wasn't big enough.
I hauled my machine with an enclosed 24 ft trailer that had 11,000 #axles. The backhoe was removed . When I backed into the trailer,it lifted the truck and trailer 5 feet in the air. I had to pull out of the trailer,put a jack under the rear,then I could load it. It bent the ramp,and I had to stop many times to tighten the chains. I drove like it was glass,but I will never risk this again. The only thing that got me home without being stopped,was ,the trailer being enclosed. It is not worth the risk. My next purchase will be a dump truck,and an equipment trailer. The next day I took a heavy duty car trailer,with 11000#axles to get the hoe. I had to replace 2 almost new tires to get home.
Great video. I have a 580C, very similar to that model. I bought the backhoe at age 23. I did not have a mentor and had to figure out ways to haul it economically. You are on the right path; keep posting.
Don't forget any added weights that might be added to the tractor that will not be figured in on the standard weights. Frame weight, wheel weights, heavy liquid added to the tires, heavy accessories or attachments on the tractor, etc. Also it is standard practice to design and build vehicles for additional shock weight above their standard weight rating, for hitting bumps and curbs and potholes and such.
I sold a 580CK to a guy years back & he transported it home on a similar trailer but aluminum. I followed him to his house which was a few towns over. He didn't exceed 25mph the whole way, lol.
The GVWR of the Truck according to the door jam sticker is 11000 lbs as defined by the manufacture. You modified the the frame and drivetrain, which in deed changed the GVWR rating as well. Most of the post responses pointed out a lot of violations with your set up. What you did young man was very dangerous. Be safe.
the reason that I bought the Dump trk and Backhoe is that I've got Natural sand and gravel pit here on the farm. I'm stock piling matual here on the farm
Any folks watching this thinking they might try this, folks this is the reason there are rules and regulations in place so dumb ideas like this don’t happen and kill other people on the road. Just because it fits doesn’t mean you should do it. If you would have been pulled over they would have thrown the book at you. 🤦♂️ smh 🤦♂️
Your figuring on 5K of box load on your one ton Dodge is a bit off (well more than a bit!). The 11K figure sounds like a total for the truck and a loaded trailer (total load of trailer and load) not a carrying capacity for the truck itself. You were way beyond your load weight and with buckets up your center of gravity was much increased on such an overloaded trailer decreasing stability even more. Bad things would happen in a panic stopping situation and not only to just you.
Your trailer is over loaded I believe You have subtract the weight of your trailer from axel capacity for max weight carry capacity Thanks for the video
You might want to try loading it backwords. And my book says that machine weights about 10,700 lbs. Fun fact i tow my ford 4000 with a f150.... with a 20 foot trailer good for 14,000 lbs and my backhoe weight is about 10,000lbs
Look at the door jam on the truck. Truck GVWR and the trailer GVWR added up is the GCWR. That is the gross combined weight that the truck and trailer can weigh. The trailers capacity to tow is the trailer’s GVWR of the trailer minus the weight of the trailer. If the GCWR is over 26001 you need a CDL. If the load is over 10000 no matter if your under 26001 you need to have a CDL. That rig is over 14000 lbs…so you needed at CDL. I guarantee that the trailer you used was only about a 10k rig. If you had DOT numbers you’d of been screwed but because your a nub (no offense meant) a lot of the times you’ll be let go or told to fix the issue. Please keep learning.
If you haul for personal use and you meet the weight and equipment regulations then a CDL 1 is not required. Putting a personal use placed on the truck is a good idea. RV'ers do it all the time. That is not nearly enough trailer for that machine. It's a car trailer, not an equipment trailer. First, no margin in the numbers. Second, busted welds and other structural failures of the trailer require a better repair than MIG back to original. The trailer is compromised and the repair needs to exceed the strength of the original failure point. Had a saying from back in the day. I didn't get in trouble every time I was drinking but every time I got in trouble I was drinking. That applies to running subpar equipment too. You may not get into trouble running it, but if you do you can bet that the equipment is part of the reason.
There is no scenario that allows that trailer to haul that tractor. Yes you are under 26,000. Your weight estimates are highly suspect at best. I think you either overloaded the trailer tires/axle/frame or the hitch/ ball. Or both. And the loader and hoe buckets "MUST" be secured to "a" deck surface. That right there would have put you out of service had you been pulled over. I don't think you understand the full extent of the at risk situation. At 60 mph there is no recovery with that rig. Or 20 either. Well, know you know. Keep studying and doing. Just don't do that again.
You know if you want to stableize it lift the front of the tractor and block between the deck and the trailer .. now it dosent have the ability to flex tires.
I'm not going to like the gas bill for the truck, 4 hrs one way, 8 hours total. I'll have to stop 9 times for gas...... FYI, the non ethanol gas isn't non ethanol, it burns faster than ethanol...........
SAFE., think you're TRAILER is fine for hauling you're backhoe with as long as you have the 4- ply TIRES MY trailer is something like you're TRAILER 16FT TANDEM house trailer axles I dont have any problem hauling MY Backhoe JUST drive safe.😊
D.O.T. would have had a field day with the amount of tickets. you are going to end up killing someone or flipping yourself when it becomes loose . the axle are going to break down and those tires will pop. You are probably over 26,000 pound combined weight limit
Good until state police "" DOT"" pull you over and you get about 4 grand in tickets and put out service then got to hire a semi with a low boy trailer or something close to it . Big toys need big toy haulers ... And with that big boys needs CDL A indorsement ..
In most states you have be 20,001 pounds and air brakes then you have to have a CDL I pull loads right at it's limit of 20,000 with both bumper pull and gooseneck and I pull all over the place with a 3/4 ton pickup
Heres a tip....NEVER USE straps even with hauling cars...theirs a reason why...and its cuz like you said they get loose....always use chains and binders only
Interesting. Yeah, people don't realize just how heavy a backhoe is. A light full size backhoe is twelve thousand and they go on up to around eighteen or so. That caterpillar four fifty four is somewhere around twenty four or twenty five thousand. Not light by any stretch.
You my friend are why we have so many road rules. You clearly overloaded the trucks GVW you clearly overloaded the trailers gvw. I'm assuming you don't have a CDL which means anything over 10,000 lb on that ball you're also illegal. In Washington you would have been arrested and truck would have been impounded not to mention all the people that you could have hurt along the way.
Load transfer is anywhere from 10 to 15% for a standard ball, 20% is a gooseneck. He has a single wheel one ton which gives him the max capacity of 10,000 lb total. You are right he gave it a lot of thought but in the State patrol eyes he would be in big trouble. I see he made it fine it was just a stupid mistake. I have heard of people doing this and his insurance would not cover anything because the truck is clearly overloaded.
I don't disagree with the safety issues you point out at all. But, that being said, you do not necessarily need a CDL to pull a trailer wirh a GVWR greater than 10,000 lbs. It all depends on the laws of state where the driver is LICENSED. If your legal in the state your licensed in, your legal in all 50 states. Even if those states have more restrictive laws for their licensed drivers. All states are required to reciprocate and follow Federal Law. Many states allow up to a 16,000 lb. GVWR trailer without a Class A CDL, as long as the combined GVWR of the tow vehicle and trailer when added together does not exceed 26,000 lbs. That's the limit under Federal law, and many states simply mirror FederaI requirements. I'm legal with a Class C license in all 50 states because my state mirrors Federal law. It's not more restrictive than Federal law. My state allows trailers with a GVWR up to 16,000 lbs. For example, my trucks GVWR is 10,100 lbs. The equipment trailers GVWR is 15,900 lbs. Combined is 26,000 lbs. so I do not need a Class A CDL. Some states like California require a Class A CDL if the trailers GVWR is over 10,000 lbs. But travel trailers get a pass and can go up to 16,000 without a Class A as long as the CGVWR is less than 26,001 lbs.. They get away with this because state law can be more restrictive than Federal law, but not less restrictive. Also, whether or not a driver needs a CDL is entirely based on GVWR. Actual weights have absolutely nothing to do with CDL requirements. Overweight citations are a completely different matter legally speaking however. Just for FYI, my understanding is if you have to pick, you perfer an overweight citation, rather than a no CDL when one is required citation. Neither is obviously better. Don't kill the messenger.
Wow, you have some balls. I’m glad you said you wouldn’t do it again. There’s a lot of mistakes that you explained you did, it’s great nothing bad happened. So just some info for you and other people that are in the back country.
Backhoe transport mode is only while driving the backhoe, not actually transporting the machine. All buckets need to be secured and that usually means you need to tie it while it’s on the floor.
Transporting equipment need to have transport grade chains, which are 70.
The four corners need to be tied down with chain and chain binders need to be used to tighten the chains. Both buckets also need to be tied down.
You cannot leave the front bucket in the air and past the tongue of the trailer. Minimum for a backhoe this size is a 24 foot equipment trailer.
Again, glad you made it home safe.
We all learn from things we do and it sounds like you learned quite a bit. I was impressed how the trailer didn’t squat and the back of your truck was pretty level.
Thanks for the information, that’s very helpful!
I’ve since upgraded to a 24’ gooseneck with G70 chains and ratchet binders, it seriously is a world of difference. In addition to this, brakes are okay, but it’s a struggle to pull with an unmodified 12 valve, so readers beware!
Gracias amigo
You have to add the weight of your trailer to your gvw. A 10000lb trailer can only haul 6800 lbs maybe a little more depending how heavy your trailer is. You were way over loaded and lucky to be alive.
I haul my 580se on a 25000 dual tandem 36' gooseneck. You need a heavier capacity and longer deck length trailer. Thats a major accident waiting to happen.
exactly what I was thinking who in their right mind would haul this on that small of a trailer.
14k bumper pull is the bare minimum for this load.... i wouldn't go far.
you got the right set up for hauling the backhoe with just make sure you got those 4-ply tires and drive safe I do it all the time no problum.😊
I too searched the internet for how to tow a backhoe with a pickup. Not much info out there... I ended up using a 14k trailer with my 2500... It was a 20ft deck, so fit just fine, balance was OK. I didn't have far to go, just across town.
Man, youre one crazy dude! DOT catches ya, I hope youre rich! lol
I, bought a 1966, case Ck 530 Backhoe 180 Diesel great to have on the farm.😊
I pulled a 14000 lb backhoe with a 3/4 ton chevy with a 454 engine, and it was scary. I wound up driving 25 miles per hour and would never do it again. Trying to stop was a nightmare, and I also got fish tailing. My trailer was a heavy duty equipment trailer, but the truck suspension just wasn't big enough.
After hauling this load, I know exactly what you’re describing lol, no fun!
I almost lost one at 20 mph. 15,000 pounds is too much weight for most trailers.
I hauled my machine with an enclosed 24 ft trailer that had 11,000 #axles. The backhoe was removed . When I backed into the trailer,it lifted the truck and trailer 5 feet in the air. I had to pull out of the trailer,put a jack under the rear,then I could load it. It bent the ramp,and I had to stop many times to tighten the chains. I drove like it was glass,but I will never risk this again. The only thing that got me home without being stopped,was ,the trailer being enclosed. It is not worth the risk. My next purchase will be a dump truck,and an equipment trailer. The next day I took a heavy duty car trailer,with 11000#axles to get the hoe. I had to replace 2 almost new tires to get home.
@@fixaday I'm glad to see you made it safe and sound.
@@troyb.4101 That's true
Great video. I have a 580C, very similar to that model. I bought the backhoe at age 23. I did not have a mentor and had to figure out ways to haul it economically. You are on the right path; keep posting.
Do you know if it legal
@@javiermoreno5497 yes now mine is legal I have a 10 ton trailer
Don't forget any added weights that might be added to the tractor that will not be figured in on the standard weights.
Frame weight, wheel weights, heavy liquid added to the tires, heavy accessories or attachments on the tractor, etc.
Also it is standard practice to design and build vehicles for additional shock weight above their standard weight rating, for hitting bumps and curbs and potholes and such.
I sold a 580CK to a guy years back & he transported it home on a similar trailer but aluminum. I followed him to his house which was a few towns over. He didn't exceed 25mph the whole way, lol.
The GVWR of the Truck according to the door jam sticker is 11000 lbs as defined by the manufacture. You modified the the frame and drivetrain, which in deed changed the GVWR rating as well.
Most of the post responses pointed out a lot of violations with your set up.
What you did young man was very dangerous.
Be safe.
Thats a 10000 lb trailer hauling a 15000 lb backhoe , " may the lord be with you "
This is helpful. Thank you.
the reason that I bought the Dump trk and Backhoe is that I've got Natural sand and gravel pit here on the farm. I'm stock piling matual here on the farm
thank, you for you're video.
Good video, thanks.
Any folks watching this thinking they might try this, folks this is the reason there are rules and regulations in place so dumb ideas like this don’t happen and kill other people on the road. Just because it fits doesn’t mean you should do it. If you would have been pulled over they would have thrown the book at you. 🤦♂️ smh 🤦♂️
Totally agree
This is why u live in canada, ur not good enough for america
Your figuring on 5K of box load on your one ton Dodge is a bit off (well more than a bit!). The 11K figure sounds like a total for the truck and a loaded trailer (total load of trailer and load) not a carrying capacity for the truck itself. You were way beyond your load weight and with buckets up your center of gravity was much increased on such an overloaded trailer decreasing stability even more. Bad things would happen in a panic stopping situation and not only to just you.
An accident waiting to happen. Litigation would be easy, no insurance coverage. Highway traffic enforcement would have a picnic.
Your trailer is over loaded I believe
You have subtract the weight of your trailer from axel capacity for max weight carry capacity
Thanks for the video
Nice looking machine
You might want to try loading it backwords. And my book says that machine weights about 10,700 lbs.
Fun fact i tow my ford 4000 with a f150.... with a 20 foot trailer good for 14,000 lbs and my backhoe weight is about 10,000lbs
thank, you for you're video.🙏
Great video. Very helpful.....
Really lucky you made it home.
Good thing u arent in virginia, the ticket would have been over 5 thousand dollars
Look at the door jam on the truck. Truck GVWR and the trailer GVWR added up is the GCWR. That is the gross combined weight that the truck and trailer can weigh. The trailers capacity to tow is the trailer’s GVWR of the trailer minus the weight of the trailer. If the GCWR is over 26001 you need a CDL. If the load is over 10000 no matter if your under 26001 you need to have a CDL. That rig is over 14000 lbs…so you needed at CDL. I guarantee that the trailer you used was only about a 10k rig. If you had DOT numbers you’d of been screwed but because your a nub (no offense meant) a lot of the times you’ll be let go or told to fix the issue. Please keep learning.
the better question is can a car trailer hold a tractor or backhoe like that? 😂
If you haul for personal use and you meet the weight and equipment regulations then a CDL 1 is not required. Putting a personal use placed on the truck is a good idea. RV'ers do it all the time.
That is not nearly enough trailer for that machine. It's a car trailer, not an equipment trailer. First, no margin in the numbers. Second, busted welds and other structural failures of the trailer require a better repair than MIG back to original. The trailer is compromised and the repair needs to exceed the strength of the original failure point.
Had a saying from back in the day. I didn't get in trouble every time I was drinking but every time I got in trouble I was drinking. That applies to running subpar equipment too. You may not get into trouble running it, but if you do you can bet that the equipment is part of the reason.
It is 15.000 pounds and that trailer is not rated for that.
My ford 555B weighs 16000 lbs
add you a dove TAIL on the back of you're TRAILER give you that added space
accident waiting to happen. lol
3500 lbs axles?
5,000 lb axles
please don’t haul anything else. rename this video, “ what not to do” or, “ I have no idea what I’m doing”.
There is no scenario that allows that trailer to haul that tractor. Yes you are under 26,000. Your weight estimates are highly suspect at best. I think you either overloaded the trailer tires/axle/frame or the hitch/ ball. Or both. And the loader and hoe buckets "MUST" be secured to "a" deck surface. That right there would have put you out of service had you been pulled over. I don't think you understand the full extent of the at risk situation. At 60 mph there is no recovery with that rig. Or 20 either.
Well, know you know. Keep studying and doing. Just don't do that again.
"quotation marks"
Gvr is what counts u get into wreck your gvr what matters your off on axle or gross law suit all ratings is for insurance companies
15000lbs on a 7000lbs trailer
You know if you want to stableize it lift the front of the tractor and block between the deck and the trailer .. now it dosent have the ability to flex tires.
That’s a good idea
my, trailer is 16ft Dove TAIL TANDEM house trailer axles with 4-ply tires I, pull my trailer with a 1973, FORD F-700 5-ton Dump trk.
Use chain and tie against each other you will b e fine
You are guessing at your weight distribution. You actually need to scale your axles before you head on down the road. I never would have done this...
I'm not going to like the gas bill for the truck, 4 hrs one way, 8 hours total. I'll have to stop 9 times for gas...... FYI, the non ethanol gas isn't non ethanol, it burns faster than ethanol...........
SAFE., think you're TRAILER is fine for hauling you're backhoe with as long as you have the 4- ply TIRES MY trailer is something like you're TRAILER 16FT TANDEM house trailer axles I dont have any problem hauling MY Backhoe JUST drive safe.😊
D.O.T. would have had a field day with the amount of tickets. you are going to end up killing someone or flipping yourself when it becomes loose . the axle are going to break down and those tires will pop. You are probably over 26,000 pound combined weight limit
Brother you need a lot more trailer than that. Be careful.
You're absolutely right. Since this video, I've purchased a 25' gooseneck deckover.
@@fixaday That's great!!! keep making videos.
I should have gotten the ram 2500 Cummins...
How wide is your trailer?
That is described at 3:00
Good until state police "" DOT"" pull you over and you get about 4 grand in tickets and put out service then got to hire a semi with a low boy trailer or something close to it . Big toys need big toy haulers ... And with that big boys needs CDL A indorsement ..
In most states you have be 20,001 pounds and air brakes then you have to have a CDL I pull loads right at it's limit of 20,000 with both bumper pull and gooseneck and I pull all over the place with a 3/4 ton pickup
right now I'm diging top soil
just put you some 4- ply tires on that trailer of youres like I do.
You do know that machine weighs 5 ton ,right?
Around 11,000 lbs, yup
Heres a tip....NEVER USE straps even with hauling cars...theirs a reason why...and its cuz like you said they get loose....always use chains and binders only
6 tons on that trailer???
Approximately, yes. After factoring trailer and tongue weight, approximately 10,000-11,000 on the axles.
Well I know I can haul a case 1394 tractor. 5 grand in weight.
83" wide... thanks for this video. Very helpful. I'm putting all 4 new tires and buying 3/8 chains and binders. Pulling with 2015 ram 1500 5.7. 4x4
Interesting. Yeah, people don't realize just how heavy a backhoe is. A light full size backhoe is twelve thousand and they go on up to around eighteen or so. That caterpillar four fifty four is somewhere around twenty four or twenty five thousand. Not light by any stretch.
You my friend are why we have so many road rules. You clearly overloaded the trucks GVW you clearly overloaded the trailers gvw. I'm assuming you don't have a CDL which means anything over 10,000 lb on that ball you're also illegal. In Washington you would have been arrested and truck would have been impounded not to mention all the people that you could have hurt along the way.
Good thing he wasn't in Washington.
Load transfer is anywhere from 10 to 15% for a standard ball, 20% is a gooseneck. He has a single wheel one ton which gives him the max capacity of 10,000 lb total. You are right he gave it a lot of thought but in the State patrol eyes he would be in big trouble. I see he made it fine it was just a stupid mistake. I have heard of people doing this and his insurance would not cover anything because the truck is clearly overloaded.
I don't disagree with the safety issues you point out at all. But, that being said, you do not necessarily need a CDL to pull a trailer wirh a GVWR greater than 10,000 lbs. It all depends on the laws of state where the driver is LICENSED. If your legal in the state your licensed in, your legal in all 50 states. Even if those states have more restrictive laws for their licensed drivers. All states are required to reciprocate and follow Federal Law. Many states allow up to a 16,000 lb. GVWR trailer without a Class A CDL, as long as the combined GVWR of the tow vehicle and trailer when added together does not exceed 26,000 lbs. That's the limit under Federal law, and many states simply mirror FederaI requirements. I'm legal with a Class C license in all 50 states because my state mirrors Federal law. It's not more restrictive than Federal law. My state allows trailers with a GVWR up to 16,000 lbs. For example, my trucks GVWR is 10,100 lbs. The equipment trailers GVWR is 15,900 lbs. Combined is 26,000 lbs. so I do not need a Class A CDL. Some states like California require a Class A CDL if the trailers GVWR is over 10,000 lbs. But travel trailers get a pass and can go up to 16,000 without a Class A as long as the CGVWR is less than 26,001 lbs.. They get away with this because state law can be more restrictive than Federal law, but not less restrictive. Also, whether or not a driver needs a CDL is entirely based on GVWR. Actual weights have absolutely nothing to do with CDL requirements. Overweight citations are a completely different matter legally speaking however. Just for FYI, my understanding is if you have to pick, you perfer an overweight citation, rather than a no CDL when one is required citation. Neither is obviously better. Don't kill the messenger.
He's a hero and ur a bootlicker
You are way over weight for that trailer and truck !
you did what you had to do to get it home.
What a legend