Dude, the pushback is not against the statement. It's against the notion that it still needs to be said. Like you said...we all already know this. Yawn. We don't like race-baiters, it takes us backwards.
@@watertaaooo Exactly. Zimmerman gets off, we say black matter, ppl call it race-baiting. These ppl can never get it right. From slavery to reconstruction, jim crow, redlining, affirmative action, police brutality, and mass incarceration, and still, they choose to be ignorant. But if we waited for them we would still be in chains. It takes violence to move forward it seems. Thank God for the civil war.
There's another pushback. Good 4 u. Doing your part. Too bad you are actually, all lives already matter because God died for all. But its not God out there shooting black ppl. Its ppl that look like you, assuming your white.
What continually was missed in this conversation back in 2020 by those trying to justify BLM (thus, BLM didn't age well), is that we KNEW the organization was-bare minimum-suspect. The principle being distinct from the organization didn't help in the discourse because the principle is self-evident (as Thabiti said, but he doesn't treat it as such... like the movement). The resulting problem is that the dialogue accidentally *needs* racism to be systemic in order to be a value. And since no one wants to lay down their anti-racist values, the principle cannot be allowed to prevail-to the left who press BLM and the alleged "principle." The solution works like this-stop tying Christian social justice to obviously fleshly movements (an attempt at justification by law, which is *another* "gospel"), and depend entirely on the sufficient solution provided in the word (God's gospel solution because actual racism is a heart issue), particularly Paul's instruction for the churches.
first of all not all black lives matter...just the ones with the best press coverage, I have never heard any of them give their pagan explanation as to why any lives matter in their worldview
Maybe the reason Systematic Theology’s don’t focus on race is because race is not a biblical category. It is a social construct. The biblical category though is the human race. And in the human race u are either “in Adam” or “in Christ.” This is not to say there are not different ethnicities, nations and people’s but for those in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek!!!!
Sir, I have a question. If "race" is not a biblical category and merely a "social construct," is this "social construct" a reality or not a reality? If it is a reality, and people are actually discriminated on these racial categories, do believers speak towards it (to denounce it), or ignore it? If it is not a reality, then what should Christians think of Apartheid South Africa? I hope you have a good week, friend.
Doesn't mean that is always the reality lived out. People forget Paul called Peter out for discriminating against non-Jews as not being "in step with the Gospel". So yes, there is a time to confront racial intolerance IN the Gospel of Christ
CJ, not maybe. Absolutely! Rather than understanding the systematicians as being ignorant of these matters (or subtly suggesting they kept quite to advance there "racist" agenda) it's best to assume that the obvious reason this category wasn't included in their dogmatics was because it simply does not exist. I don't think however that we should ignore the way people are using to term race these days. We can adopt their language for the sake of interaction but we must always make clear the biblical and unbiblical structures involved. The imago dei is the only sufficient starting and ending point for understanding the value of men women and children from every tribe, tongue, and nation.
I would respectfully guide you towards " Just Thinking" podcast - Sept 16th, 2020. Black lives do not matter to "black lives matter". Praying for you brothers and for Verge to redirect themselves from the "other" gospel that they have fallen into. 😔🙏
there is no mention of racial injustice in scripture .... if so then please show it ...... in fact the word 'RACE' is not used in scripture except to describe a contest of to people running .... the CONTEXT that you are using 'RACE' in .... comes from DARWIN ..... and is NOT a BIBLICAL category ..... and the use of 'RACE' as it is being applied to skin color ... for whatever reason ..... IS RACIST .................... STOP IT .................
Get real man. The Bible is filled with differences between ethnic people groups and the divisions between them. Your argument is at kindergarten level. Go learn more about race and culture and then come back.
@@allangreig7520 name some ... becuz otherwise you are talking out of your hat .... Acts 17:26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, by promoting race ... you are a RACIST .........
Professor Walter Williams, Chairman of the Economics department at George Mason University, has said that the first step in stopping racism is to stop continually talking about it. I have heard so many people wanting to have a "dialogue" about race and it always ends up them blaming me for things I have never done. Treat me as an individual, not as a member of a group. That is what I do to you. Why aren't you willing to do that to me?
@@mydh122 For sure. Your comment quoted Walter Williams who said “the first step in stopping racism is to stop continually talking about it.” It seems as though, and I could be wrong, that you agree with that quote. A huge issue with this is that people who agree with this statement would NEVER say the same thing about rape, pride, abortion, etc. This, what I just mentioned is inconsistent. I don’t know if your a Christian or not, but I believe all of these things mentioned, rape, abortion, racism etc. are sin issues. If we say “we must stop talking about racism in order to help end it” then we must say the same thing about rape, abortion, etc. Ask yourself this, should we stop talking about the sin of pride so it can fade away? If the answer is no, why do it with racism?
3:10 The reason that Systematic Theology does not touch on race is because it is not bibilcal to regard race at all: "From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh." 2 Cor 5:16
Change the culture of black people and get them back to work would be a big start, but that won't happen if people keep catering to their cries to being so called oppressed!
This peolpe a smart, but they still think about color, what about India, chainess, african, and more, if they so worry about african american, does other color dont matter, if they think that Black peolpe Are ben hate so much. Read this: Do not say, “I will repay evil”; wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you. THIS People Are takling Thing by thet hand. Do not say, “I will repay evil”; wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you
Praise God for Pastor Thabiti having this conversation. It’s troubling that believers want to always talk about the gospel apart from love and justice to all people. I pray your hearts be redirected and rooted in the word. Bad theology breeds misguided hearts and perspectives.
This is just another institution of the social gospel. Anyabwile's treatment of scripture is eisegetical as opposed to exegetical. For example note his mention of the prophets, which was offensive, assuming people who don't hold to his ideology can't read their bibles. It is obvious that he is reading these narratives through a "woke" lens. I don't ascribe to his woke ideology and I think I can read my bible (granted their is room for improvement). I'm reading Ezekiel right now and the main theme is idolatry not "social injustice." Any injustices mentioned such as failing do use proper scales, failing to take care of widows and orphans, doing murder, adultery, defrauding one's neighbor are couched within Israel's failure to hold God as Holy. There is a top down approach, failure to properly worship results in injustice. Anyabwile flips it so that "injustices, political dramas, etc" are primary and no wonder because this is the flavor of the month. This reminds me of what libs do when they read their naturalism back onto the NT. Jesus deity is removed in favor of political figure-hood, Jesus is no longer the creator of the world but some revolutionary who was unjustly, imprisoned, tried and killed. Sure we might say that is partially true, Jesus's views were revolutionary, he was unjustly tried and killed but there were theological underpinnings that can not be ignored.
Yeah, I'll pass on your exegetical "brilliance". Hahaha. I think Ill go with Anyabwile's. You should let your faith inform your politics rather than your politics inform your faith. Its showing.
@@allangreig7520 care to prove that or are you just into bald assertions and sarcasm? To quote you, "You should let your faith inform your politics rather than your politics inform your faith. Its showing." ... back at you bruh.
Dude, the pushback is not against the statement. It's against the notion that it still needs to be said. Like you said...we all already know this. Yawn. We don't like race-baiters, it takes us backwards.
The fact that you think it's race baiting. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@watertaaooo Exactly. Zimmerman gets off, we say black matter, ppl call it race-baiting. These ppl can never get it right. From slavery to reconstruction, jim crow, redlining, affirmative action, police brutality, and mass incarceration, and still, they choose to be ignorant. But if we waited for them we would still be in chains. It takes violence to move forward it seems. Thank God for the civil war.
False sir: all lives won’t matter till God matters.
There's another pushback. Good 4 u. Doing your part. Too bad you are actually, all lives already matter because God died for all. But its not God out there shooting black ppl. Its ppl that look like you, assuming your white.
What continually was missed in this conversation back in 2020 by those trying to justify BLM (thus, BLM didn't age well), is that we KNEW the organization was-bare minimum-suspect. The principle being distinct from the organization didn't help in the discourse because the principle is self-evident (as Thabiti said, but he doesn't treat it as such... like the movement). The resulting problem is that the dialogue accidentally *needs* racism to be systemic in order to be a value. And since no one wants to lay down their anti-racist values, the principle cannot be allowed to prevail-to the left who press BLM and the alleged "principle." The solution works like this-stop tying Christian social justice to obviously fleshly movements (an attempt at justification by law, which is *another* "gospel"), and depend entirely on the sufficient solution provided in the word (God's gospel solution because actual racism is a heart issue), particularly Paul's instruction for the churches.
Great argument however in actuality it is difficult to maintain that spiritual position when engaging the unregenerate soul in the physical realm.
first of all not all black lives matter...just the ones with the best press coverage, I have never heard any of them give their pagan explanation as to why any lives matter in their worldview
It’s bizarre to me you can’t see the difference between the wisdom of the world vs. biblical truth
Maybe the reason Systematic Theology’s don’t focus on race is because race is not a biblical category. It is a social construct. The biblical category though is the human race. And in the human race u are either “in Adam” or “in Christ.” This is not to say there are not different ethnicities, nations and people’s but for those in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek!!!!
Amen
Sir, I have a question. If "race" is not a biblical category and merely a "social construct," is this "social construct" a reality or not a reality? If it is a reality, and people are actually discriminated on these racial categories, do believers speak towards it (to denounce it), or ignore it? If it is not a reality, then what should Christians think of Apartheid South Africa? I hope you have a good week, friend.
Doesn't mean that is always the reality lived out. People forget Paul called Peter out for discriminating against non-Jews as not being "in step with the Gospel". So yes, there is a time to confront racial intolerance IN the Gospel of Christ
Systematic theology is just a book about the Bible and therefore useful to a degree
CJ, not maybe. Absolutely! Rather than understanding the systematicians as being ignorant of these matters (or subtly suggesting they kept quite to advance there "racist" agenda) it's best to assume that the obvious reason this category wasn't included in their dogmatics was because it simply does not exist. I don't think however that we should ignore the way people are using to term race these days. We can adopt their language for the sake of interaction but we must always make clear the biblical and unbiblical structures involved. The imago dei is the only sufficient starting and ending point for understanding the value of men women and children from every tribe, tongue, and nation.
Gosh this is so bad and if you disagree w them they will call u a racist
I would respectfully guide you towards " Just Thinking" podcast - Sept 16th, 2020. Black lives do not matter to "black lives matter". Praying for you brothers and for Verge to redirect themselves from the "other" gospel that they have fallen into. 😔🙏
there is no mention of racial injustice in scripture .... if so then please show it ...... in fact the word 'RACE' is not used in scripture except to describe a contest of to people running .... the CONTEXT that you are using 'RACE' in .... comes from DARWIN ..... and is NOT a BIBLICAL category ..... and the use of 'RACE' as it is being applied to skin color ... for whatever reason .....
IS RACIST .................... STOP IT .................
Get real man. The Bible is filled with differences between ethnic people groups and the divisions between them. Your argument is at kindergarten level. Go learn more about race and culture and then come back.
@@allangreig7520 name some ... becuz otherwise you are talking out of your hat ....
Acts 17:26
And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,
by promoting race ... you are a RACIST .........
Where can we find this whole discussion?
Professor Walter Williams, Chairman of the Economics department at George Mason University, has said that the first step in stopping racism is to stop continually talking about it. I have heard so many people wanting to have a "dialogue" about race and it always ends up them blaming me for things I have never done. Treat me as an individual, not as a member of a group. That is what I do to you. Why aren't you willing to do that to me?
Oh, and Prof. Walter Williams is black.
So how do you stop it without addressing in dialogue?
@@mydh122 it’s funny people say that. They don’t use that same line of thinking with rape, pride, etc. Oh, him being black doesn’t mean anything.
@@calebberrymovement5792 Your comment is unclear to me. Could you be more specific in what you are saying?
@@mydh122 For sure. Your comment quoted Walter Williams who said “the first step in stopping racism is to stop continually talking about it.” It seems as though, and I could be wrong, that you agree with that quote. A huge issue with this is that people who agree with this statement would NEVER say the same thing about rape, pride, abortion, etc. This, what I just mentioned is inconsistent.
I don’t know if your a Christian or not, but I believe all of these things mentioned, rape, abortion, racism etc. are sin issues. If we say “we must stop talking about racism in order to help end it” then we must say the same thing about rape, abortion, etc.
Ask yourself this, should we stop talking about the sin of pride so it can fade away? If the answer is no, why do it with racism?
3:10 The reason that Systematic Theology does not touch on race is because it is not bibilcal to regard race at all: "From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh." 2 Cor 5:16
Change the culture of black people and get them back to work would be a big start, but that won't happen if people keep catering to their cries to being so called oppressed!
Maybe you can the one that will start the change!!
This peolpe a smart, but they still think about color, what about India, chainess, african, and more, if they so worry about african american, does other color dont matter, if they think that Black peolpe Are ben hate so much. Read this:
Do not say, “I will repay evil”; wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you. THIS People Are takling Thing by thet hand.
Do not say, “I will repay evil”; wait for the Lord, and he will deliver you
Praise God for Pastor Thabiti having this conversation. It’s troubling that believers want to always talk about the gospel apart from love and justice to all people. I pray your hearts be redirected and rooted in the word. Bad theology breeds misguided hearts and perspectives.
Well said Stacy 🔥✊🏾🔥
Thanks for this comment
This is just another institution of the social gospel. Anyabwile's treatment of scripture is eisegetical as opposed to exegetical. For example note his mention of the prophets, which was offensive, assuming people who don't hold to his ideology can't read their bibles. It is obvious that he is reading these narratives through a "woke" lens. I don't ascribe to his woke ideology and I think I can read my bible (granted their is room for improvement).
I'm reading Ezekiel right now and the main theme is idolatry not "social injustice." Any injustices mentioned such as failing do use proper scales, failing to take care of widows and orphans, doing murder, adultery, defrauding one's neighbor are couched within Israel's failure to hold God as Holy. There is a top down approach, failure to properly worship results in injustice. Anyabwile flips it so that "injustices, political dramas, etc" are primary and no wonder because this is the flavor of the month. This reminds me of what libs do when they read their naturalism back onto the NT. Jesus deity is removed in favor of political figure-hood, Jesus is no longer the creator of the world but some revolutionary who was unjustly, imprisoned, tried and killed. Sure we might say that is partially true, Jesus's views were revolutionary, he was unjustly tried and killed but there were theological underpinnings that can not be ignored.
Yeah, I'll pass on your exegetical "brilliance". Hahaha. I think Ill go with Anyabwile's. You should let your faith inform your politics rather than your politics inform your faith. Its showing.
@@allangreig7520 care to prove that or are you just into bald assertions and sarcasm? To quote you, "You should let your faith inform your politics rather than your politics inform your faith. Its showing." ... back at you bruh.
more over you come off as pretentious... lol who asked you for your comment?
Woke church alert. Like the Apologia clips say these are the pharisees of our day.
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