What's My Line? - Gordon & Sheila MacRae; Jack Jones [panel] (Oct 10, 1965)
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- MYSTERY GUEST: Gordon & Sheila MacRae
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Jack Jones, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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Arguably, the finest crooner of his era. Had most of Jack's records. The beauty and purity of his voice was rewarded with two Grammy awards for "Best Male Vocal" in 1962 and 1964. Once wed to gorgeous actress Jill St. John, Jack and Jill's marriage was an uphill climb and would not last long. Saw Jack perform for his 80th Bday at the Catalina Bar and Grill in Hollywood in 2018 and his voice and range were simply amazing.
I have also been a Jack Jones fan for many years. Had tickets to see him in '67 but he had to bow out, Frank Jr. performed in his stead. I'm delighted to hear that he still puts on a good show with that remarkable voice he has.
Had to look up Jack. 85 years young. I admit I got a little dizzy on his 6 marriages. As the saying goes, those who can do those who can’t marry once. 🇺🇸🖖
Jack Jones was handsome, and I loved his rendition of the Love Boat theme song.
ALL ABOARD! ❤
I would have loved to have seen that Chinese woman’s dress in color. She was so elegant and graceful.
I like that Arlene's hair is getting darker again. It really suits her.
4 weeks to live Dorothy... you just never know how long you got.
Aaron Hahn At this point though she was orchestrating something that most likely and reasonably caused her death. Had she not I reckon she would've lived a long long life.
@@davidsanderson5918 Ya think?! Of course. She was stuborn woman with a powerful voice (her writing influence). She admired J F Kennedy & personally met him. When your a journalist who discovers who actually killed the president, there's no way she would keep quiet about it.
Arlene looks so different with dark hair. I like her much better as a blonde.
Second game. Very informative info about that TV rating system and the comparison and contrast of ratings 1950 vs 1965. Arlene is so adorable with her "diary entry" mentioning the contestant.
Jack Jones was a mystery guest on WML earlier in 1965. There was a panel fire as he left. Shiela MacRae sat on the panel as a guest early in 1965 when Dorothy was out of commission due to a broken collarbone.
soulierinvestments ...and the 'panel fire' happened during the broadcast. Arlene calmly said 'it's up the other end'....Bennett clutching the edge of the table blurted 'yes, THIS end!!'
Welcome back Bennett!
John's joke about the sausage maker was good Bennett-style, "It's very difficult these days, to make both ends meat." 2:40
Johan Bengtsson
Yeah, I thought Bennett had some nerve cringing at that. He should have laughed appreciatively, as that joke was right up his alley! (i.e., it was just his style, as you said.) I thought it was cleverer than many of his, actually.
SaveThe TPC I agree, I thought it was pretty clever-- piggybacking on a prior discussion we had about this sort of thing, precisely because there's an actual double meaning to the pun that fits really nicely, it's not just a nonsensical substitution of one word for another like most of Bennett's puns were.
What's My Line?
Rare praise for a pun indeed, coming from you! ;)
Ah, now I get it! I had to see it in writing.
I think it was meet for John to mete out punishment of Bennett with that story.
Arbitron still exists today. A number of years ago I used to work for a market research company that had Arbitron as a client for radio ratings. We (not me personally) would call people asking them to receive the diaries. People do say yes and agree to do it, but many get angry thinking we were telemarketers. "Chris Johnson" will call you initially to ask you to do it. If you refuse "Gene Miller" will call about a week later to ask you to reconsider.
Interesting!
Thanks for the video. When Sheila MacRae said that President Johnson was energetic. The rumor is that he certainly was.
Mr. Dick probably wasn't around anymore to learn that Nielsen purchased Arbitron in 2013.
At least Gordon and Shiela did not do that Svengali thing again.
Sheila in less than year started her four year assocaition with Jackie Gleason / “The Honeymooners” as the new singing Alice Kramden. She went red for that part.
And mentions of new stars Eliott Gould and Lesley Ann Warren, who I also would have paid money to see on WML, Sunday or syndicated.
soulierinvestments Oy, that Svengali bit was awful. Still haunts my dreams on particularly cold and rainy nights.
You mean the robot thing
There are not so many living guest panelists still living as we head into 2020, but a surprisingly large number of panelists from 1965 are still alive. The list of living guest panelists up to this time include Woody Allen, Paul Anka, Orson Bean, Harry Belafonte, Jeannie Carson (from England, very obscure, from 1957!), Jane Fonda, Anita Gillette, George Hamilton, Jack Jones, Steve Lawrence, William Shatner, Marlo Thomas, Dick Van Dyke, and Betty White.
Orson Bean passed in February of 2020
@gailsirois7175 Orson Bean passed away 55 years after Mark Goodson - Bill Todman Productions hired him? The nerve of some people! “gailsirois7175,” please promise you will never die, not even after your 90th birthday. Don’t do it. You would have a lot of nerve to leave the earth when UA-cam needs you.
sadly Dorothy had about a month to live...
I know, right? That's how I've been looking at these last several episodes as well, knowing how close we're getting to the end of Dorothy's life. It's ominous and spooky and unsettling.
Johnson. Little did they know.
Dorothy Kilgallen, Queen of the side-eye glance and it drives me crazy!
The show that Gordon and Sheila had just come from and which they were raving about was a musical called "Drat! The Cat!" a comedic story of a bored 1890s heiress turned jewel thief (Lesley Ann Warren) and the bumbling police officer (Eliott Gould) who falls in love with her. The show got positive reviews from all the newspapers except alas, the dreaded New York Times, whose negative review killed the show and it was gone after a week. The show never got to do a cast album but someone who had recorded the show through the speaker during a live performance later got it released on LP and there was a lavish studio cast performance for CD in 1997. One of the song's for Gould "She Touched Me" was subsequently recorded by his then-wife Barbra Streisand with a lyric change to "He Touched Me" and it ended up becoming one of her big hits.
How many papers were there in NYC by then? I would guess less than half a dozen. Was it reviewed by all of the papers and were ticket sales slow? I know it's the NY Times, but 10 shows sounds bad for a show that got positive reviews everywhere but one paper. Perhaps the other reviews were not rapturous, huh?
Joe Postove Actually it got a great review from Walter Kerr, who at the time was the critic for the Herald-Tribune, and who moved over to the Times when that paper folded just one year later. Had Kerr already been with the Times, the fortunes of the show might have been different. And Kerr in fact later tried to push for an effort to get the show revived several years later but the backer who might have pulled it off ran out of money. It's been suggested that if the producers of the original Broadway show had been more seasoned veterans of the business than newcomers, they might have toughed things out for a few more weeks but that the bad Times review sent them into a panic mode that made them close prematurely. It can't be understated how much influence the Times has had on the fortunes of many a show over the years.
But 10 days seems like an odd number of days. It's as if they wanted to stay open despite the "Times" but business must have been pretty bad. Do you know anything about how they did at the box office? The rave review on WML, I think, perhaps would have helped them along some, no? Just thinking of tourists coming into the city that week, and this probably being the only Broadway show even mentioned on national television.
Joe Postove The show ran only six days for a total of eight performances. It certainly did not have a big advance sale which is why it was dependent on getting a big review from the Times. Other shows in the decade got far worse reviews but were able to run longer because they had a big advance sale thanks to author's reputation like Irving Berlin's "Mr. President" which ran 250 performances entirely because of the advance sale or Meredith Willson's "Here's Love" (the musical version of "Miracle On 34th Street"). "Drat" was comprised entirely of unknowns at the time (Warren's only claim to fame had been playing Cinderella in a 1965 CBS TV special of the Rodgers/Hammerstein musical version of the tale) with newcomers to the business of writing musicals (the book was by Ira Levin who later wrote "Rosemary's Baby"). Perhaps if the show had been able to perform a number on the Ed Sullivan Show to give people a taste of what the show was like (this was what saved "Camelot" from closing) it might have been different but they didn't have the money or clout for that at the time. Basically they were a promising newcomer fighting an uphill battle and the one thing they needed most that could have been the first domino needed to knock the rest over, didn't come. Many musical theater historians agree the show deserved a better fate.
epaddon Thanks for that really good, informed explanation, e!
Just for clarity: Jack Jones is a Tenor, not a baritone. A lyric or leggiero tenor, not unlike his father, who sang with the Met in NYC, etc.
John says that the appliance in question may not have a basic relationship to Mr. Dick's line. Well, if you don't have a TV, you can't play.
+Joe Postove
C'mon Joe. You of all people ought to know that Arbitron also did radio ratings.
@@loissimmons6558 And look at them now!
Good for you John!!!..
technically Bennet's question "do you work for the city of Hong Kong" could have been answered "no" because Hong Kong is a country
I know Hong Kong was a British colony at the time. Were they really independent enough to be considered a country? (I'm asking because I don't know and would like to learn, though the wikipedia page seems to indicate that the answer is no, and that you are mistaken.)
Yes, it was much like Bermuda is today. Bermuda basically runs itself and does not want to be independent. There are numerous places like this, such as the Cook Islands and NZ.
Hong Kong is both a city and colony (at the time). Just like Singapore is a city and also an independent state. Or San Francisco and Philadelphia are both cities and also counties. You can be both.
Hong Kong is now part of China but self governing to a degree, unless the Chinese Government does not like it.
@@RikardPeterson At the time of this taping Hong Kong was RCC Hong Kong (Royla Crown Colony of Hong Kong.
In case anyone is wondering about the "ratings". We had gotten a diary one week in the 80s. It's fairly in-depth about what and when you watch TV. Each diary covers 2 weeks.
I'm almost certain since we had done it, we'll never get to do it again.
If you noticed, Arlene was praising him a lot. The higher a show is rated, the higher their pay can be as long as they have a good manager..
The TV ratings guy looks like Boo Radly.
Radley.
Big brother. Beginnings
OMG she mentioned Elliott Gould! ❤
She Strikes Resemblances to Ginger Rogers here imo
It is typical for Mystery Guests to plug their own show, film or act. How do Mystery Guests plug someone else the way Gordon & Sheila did for a play that they had just seen but weren't in?
Arlene seems tired in this one.
@lynnedonaldson4010 Broadway’s Mrs. Dally
Phew when Arlene asked the television ratings man to explain his work he started his sentence with 'SO' like most millenials these days. Thankfully the complete sentence happened to be 'So I've been told.'
I hate that SO thing..how the heck did that ever get started ????
@@gailsirois7175 I dislike it also, and I have no idea how it started nor why it has been accepted.
How many times are these "celebrities" going to appear? You can tell this series is winding down as they are having more trouble getting celebrities. I guess being in NYC didn't help much as by 1965 most everything had moved out to Hollywood and Broadway was fading quickly.
Why is Arlene's hair dark tonight?
There is nothing at all wrong with John's behavior. He did want to give thr advantage to the contestant but I doubt he'd have done it dishonestly. Why would he?
Does anyone else notice that once again, Dorothy seems to be slurring her words again? I've noticed this the past 2-3 episodes. I know this episode is getting close to "that date," and it makes it so hard to watch Miss Dorothy knowing what tragedy befell her.
NOPE...NOT AT ALL
I noticed it when she introduced Bennett Cerf.
@El_Ophelia How clearly have you enunciated your words lately?
@@davidhenschel1990 Very. The English language is important to me. Enunciation is vital. Don't you?
*Jack Jones is quite handsome!*
Mr. Jones is actually Ben Affleck!
at about 10:35 Arlene rules out that the second contestant was any kind of detective. But he was a dick. I wonder if Miss Francis' mind may run around in those quarters?
@MrJoeybabe25 ???
I hate to mention this but I knew a man honestly named Harry Dick. I wondered how his mother could've done that to him.
At 12:00, Dorothy asks if this appliance can be folded. Maybe I'm slow, (stop saying whatta mean maybe Joe? You naysayers out there!) but I'm having trouble coming up with an appliance that can be folded.
The only thing I can come up with would be a folding stand mixer. They weren't that unusual at the time. But I wouldn't say that the machine itself can be folded.
How about a waffle iron? Does that count as folding?
I love it every time Dorothy asks "Can it be folded", but yes, it's even more ridiculous than usual this time. "Can it be folded" was basically Ernie Kovacs's "Is it bigger than a breadbox" when he did his stint on the panel in 1957. But when he asked it, it was a *joke*! The joke was how useless the question was, compounded by how often Ernie insisted on asking it anyway.
I don't recall "Can it be folded" being asked prior to Kovacs on the panel (it might have happened once or twice, but I sure don't remember it). What I figure to have happened is that Ernie looked over the printed list of suggested questions provided by the producers to help guest panelists get the feel of the game and he zeroed in on "Can it be folded" as an absurdly useless question to ask. Ernie Kovacs being Ernie Kovacs, he decided to ask the absurdly useless question as often as possible. I find it so amusing that of all the panelists to have picked up on this *joke* of a question, it was Dorothy who usually asked it, many, many times over the years. Never more uselessly than here, though.
What's My Line?
But don't forget the episode with the umbrella salesman (or maker, or whatever it was) when finally the answer to his question was a resounding "Yes!" I never really thought of it as a joke question, actually. I just thought it was his unique take, and there certainly are many products -- from paper money to army cots, which can indeed be folded. I don't know what Dorothy had in mind either, though.
***** I think waffle irons open and close but don't fold.
SaveThe TPC The shock and surprise of getting a "yes" answer with the umbrella is indicative of the question being intended as a joke. He never expected to get a "yes" answer when he asked it. It's a more subtle version of Groucho's repeated "Can your product be found in the kitchen" from 1959.
:( This is my first time watching this, and it got to be one of my favorite game shows, but I honestly don't know if I could sit down and watch it again. I loved John in the beginning few years, but he slowly became less and less likable to me. John and his flipping the cards over all the time for absolutely no reason whatsoever bugs me more than you'll ever know! I'm so SICK of him doing ruining this game show :(
I'm not only upset with John, but I can't BELIEVE the producers let him get away with that all these years. It's not even a true game show, cause they get the $50, win or lose
It's such a shame too :( because I really liked this sow
Believe us we KNOW how much it bothers you...you've spoken if nothing else for all those years..!!!! Seriously..it is NOT a big deal. As I said before....you are obsessed
Your obsession with this absolutely meaningless issue says SO much about you.