The Entry Level Harley Davidson Has Just Dropped Below £8,000
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
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Time Stamps:
0:00: An insider’s insight into the current motorcycle industry state (Euro 5 etc)
4:34: Great Pre-Registered deals grabbed (Honda CL500, Royal Enfield Interceptor, Honda Transalp, Harley Davidson Sportster S)
7:17: Into Biking at 42 (suzuki GN125 and Yamaha Tracer 700)
9:25: Where do young bikers meet?
12:22: New Zealand Biking Dreams (Kawasaki Vulcan 800 and Suzuki Intruder)
17:00: A dream realised (Royal Enfield Interceptor)
19:34: Bike of the Week: Harley Davidson Nightster
After 20+ years riding outside the UK, and the last 3 years in the UK I also struggled meeting bikers.... last weekend I went to Squires Cafe.... I could not get the grin off my face. Everyone super friendly!
Love to hear this!
@tuesdayatdobbs Honestly restored my faith. The great thing was seeing 17 year old on their L plate 125's having a cup of coffee with older riders on their bigger bikes chatting. Just riders enjoying their passion, sharing their stories and experiences. I will be going more often for sure.
You dropped on lucky mate, Squires can be very cliquey but if you put a bit of effort in yourself you will be OK. Might I also suggest Strawberry Fields, A19 just south of York.
@@favourites96 I will check it out. Cheers
Seaways at Fridaythorpe is another one in the York area.
I was also struggling to meet other motorcyclists, my local club was unfriendly.. So I started my own group, handed out invites to anyone I met on a bike and now we get 30 of us meeting up for breakfast every week. The only rule is you are not allowed to sit with the same people every week, which encourages mingling.
That's how it's done Good On You. If you can't find what you want build your own.
Thankyou for using my story Freddie, keep doing a fantastic job!
Hi Freddie I just bought my first bike aged 55! A brand new Honda cb125f for £2600. A good price I think !
Hoping to pass test soon and get a bigger bike
Use it and sell it for a couple of years and you lose less than the vat!
Hi Freddie- thanks for featuring my email & for your response! 😎
The current price of pre-registered bikes in the UK is their true value. The market has decided.
Bingo! The amount of "l don't need to sell, so if l don't get £x, then l'll keep it" sales pitches right now. 😂 I don't think people realise how little their bikes are worth, we've serious over supply in a dwindling potential market.
It’s similar to the late ‘90s when the market was flooded with grey imports that forced litre sports bikes down from £9k to £7k and 600 super sports from £7 down to around £5.5k.
Just look at the one year old private sale bikes on auto trader that are the same price as newer (or next model) dealer bikes. Some people get a nosebleed and think pricing high means they have wriggle room. They don’t 😂
@@MV-XD2 l've been trying to get sense into a Dax owner, why would l pay £3k for his used bike when they are £3k new? What he paid is irrelevant, £2.5k is very fair yet he went meltdown then l offered that. Still be for sale at Xmas. 😂
Euro 5+ is not the first time this has happened. Euro 3, 4 and 5 have happened in 2007, 2016 and 2020. The last time this happened (Dec 2019) registrations for the year were 1.4% up on 2018 but December 2019 was actually down 2.9% on December 2018. For reference total bikes registered in 2019 was 107,408 - last year it was 116,399, so even if you discount all 11,206 bikes registered in December 2024 the YTD totals for the last 5 years are roughly the same.
This means a stable but stagnant industry, but the numbers do not point to a failing industry just yet.
Thanks Freddie another Tuesday at dobbs we were all hoping for. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Chris!
Woohoo thats me and my pre reg Transalp... thanks Freddie, made my day
That Vulcan 800 you found at £4995 only had 6200 miles on it. I still doubt that it will sell anywhere near that price. Vulcans and Intruders from the late 90's and early 00's is usually found well below £2000 for the 800 and just above for the 1500cc models. A lot of the 1500 Vulcans from this era I've seen for sale have upwards of 100.000km on them. And they still ride very well. I've owned two Intruder VL1500, a 98 and a 99. Both I bought for about 2000€ here in Sweden in the last 3-4 years.
As always, Thanks for your tuesday videos, they are little gems, especially in the Scandinavian winter darkness. When the longing for riding weather grows every day...
Part of the Dobbs crew here from USA...The used bikes available with us old folks moving on lol is unreal...example used harley with 50k invested, unreal showbike quaity with only 18k, now 5k us dollars...insane and might get me in trouble with my wife again...lol...Ride safe gang...
That’s incredible! I’m online searching for these now😀
Also picked up a 2024 plate Honda CL500 for £4,500 in late January, however this ex-demo model (with only 100 miles on the clock) had been spec'd up with heated grips, cigarette lighter style charging point (weird I know), pannier bag and high front mudguard. Easily £5-600 of optional extras!
There are local bike meets in every part of UK. That's the best way to meet other bikers. There does tend to be more middle-aged and older folk than young bikers at these meets, but you always get a scattering. I guess youngsters are more likely to be on computers in their bedrooms. Most regions have motorcycle clubs - again with an older age range but good for making contacts and most oldies have kids who may well be following dad into biking. Re. Harley Davidson Nightster: I watched Missenden Flyer's review of it recently. It's like a mild version of the V-Rod from 2002, but what struck me was the incredibly low seat and low weight (for a Harley) of 221kg. This makes it ideal for shorties. I've previously recommended the Kawasaki Vulcan S to smaller people, but now there's an interesting alternative for them to aim at. Good podcast.
Great video Freddie, love to see youngsters getting into the bikes.
I live in Spain my Spanish is still bad. I head out every weekend for a ride and never fail to meet groups who are happy to talk broken Spanish and usually finish my ride in a group. Advice switch the phone off and talk👍✌️
9:40 What a perfectly sweet choice for a first bike Anya. I had a Honda CB125 as a stand-in when my second Honda CB250 G5 was off the road with a broken piston ring. A great bike. I loved mine. Ride safe.
Peace 🏴
Try your local Motorcycle Action Group. Regular monthly meetings, rallies, ride outs and social events. Plus, you are helping to keep the motorcycle lifestyle alive. Win win !!!
When I was first getting into biking I volunteered as a marshal at the Malle mile festival before I even had a bike, I met some great people through that who I'm friends with today.
I cannot believe how quickly this comes around every week, time seems to speeding up!
One think they don't advertise with pre-registered bikes (and cars) is that the warranty starts as soon as the bike is registered not when the bike is purchased.
Very good point!
My Kawasaki has a 4 year warranty, so I've lost a years warranty, I've still got 3 left so no sweat.
A dealer told me the opposite. They stated the warranty would start after it was sold not registered 🤷
😂 That reminds me of years ago when I was with my wife buying a load of stuff for our new house and as I left the till at a chain DIY store I paused and said to the cashier that I didn’t think that the total could be right and sure enough she hadn’t charged me £175 for a lawn mower. I could have kicked myself but hey I’m honest, my wife pointed out that if I hadn’t paid for it then I wouldn’t have got the years guarantee. 🙄😄
I’m not sure if that’s correct. A warrantee is a legal contract between the manufacturer of the vehicle and the first purchaser.
Registration of the vehicle (by the dealer) with the DVLA has nothing whatsoever with the purchase of the bike. The dealer is only the first registered keeper, NOT the first owner.
These are two distinct contacts.
Therefore, in my opinion, the warrantee can surely ONLY start when the dealer sells the bike to its first owner.
I just picked up a 2010 Bonneville with a bunch of motone parts for £3295 from a bike dealership. It has over £1000 worth of upgrade parts and I have to stay I think its the best feeling bike I've ever been on
Pre-reg is already second hand, any discount at purchase is likely offset by increased depreciation
I disagree. The discount absorbs a chunk of the initial depreciation.
We need to keep biker cafes open for all sorts of reasons. Especially our local ones, they're a great place to learn things, talk bikes and just make new friends too. In Rotherham we have 'Revs & Relics', a biker cafe, garage and bike sales. Satudays is always well attended by all ages and types of bikes.
Hi I live in Rotherham now were is the biker cafe in Rotherham?
@johnmaltby8241 it's on Blyth Rd, Maltby, S66 7LF
I still think the prices of second-hand bikes here in the UK are over inflated. The shenanigans that went on in the UK four years ago have kept prices high.
You have to look really hard to spot a good deal.
Keep up the good work, Freddie. 👏
Good to see some love for the VN800. Love mine, what an absolutely cracking bike❤
We as a group ride and tour, we have lads from 22, through to a couple of old boys in their 70's
In the Netherlands it's the same as in the US, a bike is what it is when it's made, with the then counting regulations, nothing changes that, and in fact if you own an oldtimer bike, past 25 years, you don't pay road taxes and get a cheaper insurance. (we have road taxes on all vehicles here, no tol roads and such.) So getting a second bike for the better weather and summer trips is pretty normal here. Also it keeps the value of oldtimers up and keeps them valuable and worth while taking care of.
Love your videos Freddie
if the harley was free id take the bus
They are like cowboy hats eventually every arsehole has one
Kawasaki 800 that year in great condition would be $12-1500 here in Vegas. Bikes are so cheap here and as you can imagine with no rain here they still look brand new with only 2,000 miles on the clock. Great show mate. Swindon boy in Vegas 😎
There is a group called The Moto Social that I believe originated in Canada that host monthly events during the riding season and meets are held at different spots for each monthly meet. They have chapters in several countries but I noticed there aren't any in the UK currently. Every event I've been to has been very laid back and welcoming and are very well attended. They have a fairly in depth website of where the events are, what they're about and even how to get involved. If there's a need perhaps Anya, or anyone else for that matter can start a Moto Social event near them and see what happens.
Generally...in the North East of England....doesn't matter what age you are. Sunny Sunday in Rothbury at the Vale Cafe in the main street...is a good place to start.
Hi Freddie. I bought a Kawasaki z400 in September from Completely Kawasaki 2 weeks before they went bump. 25% off list. It's the smallest bike I have owned in 40 years but it's a lightweight gem. Reminds me a bit of my old rd350lc.
Regarding pre-reg bike sales then yep, the Honda XL750 TRANSALP 2025 model is £9848 but a new in stock 2024 registered bike can be bought for £7649 (there was one for just over £7K a few days ago). This does rather kill the value of second hand at the moment..
Motorcycle News has a weekly report on biker cafes around the country and the whats on section lists biker meets nationally.
I believe (US) bike dealers have a different perspective. They would suggest that manufacturers like Triumph have placed unreasonable demands on dealers which makes them unsustainable.
I think the uk want motorcycles to no longer be a thing. The VED alone is a huge dis incentive. And the licence laws A A1 A2 mess. I can see every dealer in the uk closing down.
Not just Triumph. Most manufacturers. We used to have many multi brand dealers in the UK, then the manufacturers didn’t like the competition so they insisted on one brand dealers or separate buildings for their bikes. Hence the old saying: what’s the best way to make a small fortune in motorcycle retail? Start with a large fortune 😂
Good evening young Fred, and thanks for another enjoyable video. I always fancied a VN800 Classic, especially in blue. Alas it never happened, but I did previously own its bigger brother, the VN1500 Classic. I do find myself looking at used bikes from that era as they seem to offer such great value for money.
Anyway, I must go, a nice bottle of Cheauneuf-du-Pape awaits.
Can I ask if there has been a published report (factual) that shows the demonstrable pollutant reductions from motorcycles since the first 1999 euro 1 standard and the costs involved for that reduction?
No. Probably not. The true results would blow the whole scam out of the window wouldn’t it?
Have you considered applying to the government for a grant to carry one out? Be sure to express yourself as an EV fanatic who’s here illegally, currently a disabled purple lesbian who’s considering transitioning into a bi furrie. If you don’t get £250,000 and a personal letter from Kweer Starlin, I will be very surprised.
Peace 🏴
In October I bought a Kawasaki Eliminator SE 500 for £4999 that's £1300 off RSP. Being a summer only rider, at my age, it's in my garage on an optimizer awaiting spring time. Why not wait for the new 25 plate, exactly for the reasons you state.
I would love a new Harley Sportster at £8k, but the nearest HD dealer is now 150 miles away...
Anya is looking for a good place to meet other bikers but which area does she live in ? …..The Super Sausage Cafe just north of Milton Keynes on the A5 is a great place that on weekends is crammed full of bikers …all types of bikes, all ages & both men & women, you need to get there early if you don’t want to queue for food !…..I can’t remember if you have done a video on the Super Sausage, it would be a great place for a vlog ( & if you were coming up from London I could meet you along the way for a ride up there ! …I’m in Hemel Hempstead 😁
Suzuki GN125: great bike. Wonderful style.
A bike coming up for 3 years half the price of a new one- sounds about normal to me?
Ello dobbsey. I bought a 2007 kawasaki vn900 here in sweden for roughly 2500 grand! Bargain! Love it!
That Suzuki (7:30) doesn't look like a 2015 bike; it looks 20 years older than that. If it was, it's a shame it was discontinued.
There's 2 Baffle Haus's now - a new one in Bonvilston, just outside Cardiff on the A48 heading towards Cowbridge, not too far from the Aston Martin factory.
I live 50% in Philippines. Sales tax is 12% as opposed to 20% VAT. Even accounting for that discrepancy, motorcycles are much cheaper in Phils
The US also has grandfather rights on producing models, but the must be completely unchanged, for example the KLR650. Not a big seller in the end though. Car manufacturers could blast out 10s of thousands of cars to undercut legislation
Thanks for an excellent video. Nice to see you back on topic, rather than a boring jeep and the dubious premise of how quick we can get there. thank you Freddie.
The CL500 you showed at the beginning is a much overlooked bike. I have watched a few owners reviews of them and they all rate them very highly. All these pre reg prices are going to hammer used prices as well so guess bargains there too but if you have a bike to sell you might have to take a big hit if it is fairly new.
thank's a lot for the information
The advantage of pre-registered bikes from 2024 seems to depend heavily from the individual model. I bought a Moto Guzzi V7 in Germany last August (when there was promotion from MG). Looking today i find only one pre-registered V7 that is cheaper than that (by 1000€) in hole Germany app. 800 km far away from my location.
I bet those pre registered bike discounts mean that trade in prices are rock bottom. The dealers there to make a profit.
We need people to enjoy motorcycling and a change to the licensing policy may see it coming ,upward on more people's adjenda , glad to hear some happy news from Northern Ireland,,K6gsxr owner
Hey Freddie - how about a Libertatia biker hangout directory on your website? Alphabetical by county?
Hi Freddie ,sadly Edinburgh Harley Davidson is closing.😢
Good, the woke tw4ts.
If I had the facilities and dosh, a Nightster 975 would be converted by me to resemble the racing Harley's of the 70's then referred to as Lucifers Hammer. Inclusive factory colour scheme and full fairing to cover up those unsightly blobs behind the front wheel.
Im down near Winchester, hang outs are Loomies on the A272 Petersfield Rd and opposite Loomies is the new Caffeine and Machine place called The Hut, if you're down south give me a shout, although I'm 53! lol
hello freddy ,you thought the nz prices were good?,that vn800 pays 245 quid a year bike tax/registration!how much in gb?
Around £120
I always go to Ryka's, always good bunch of lads and blokes. Quite friendly people especially in weekdays. Occasional squids on weekends :D
You said something but did not say much about it, On a 250 with L Plates. used to do that a long time ago in this country. Also well done hen that distance first big ride congrats.
In Australia you can have 660cc on L plates (power to weight restriction) and in the USA they seemingly have no power limit at all for new riders. Straight to the Hayabusa for your first bike.
Hey, the more young people who join the throng the better. Both my sons and my daughter’s boyfriend have caught my bad habit and ride 🤣🤣. Bikers are probably the least ageist group going and welcome everyone on a bike. Find some biking cafe’s, bike stores, join MAG…we all started somewhere….my era it was FSIE’s, SS50’s, Gileras. Get out and ride…maybe there are some elitist bikers but, in the main, we’re jolly nice people.
Interceptors, are a touch over £5k new a mins walk from my house, as are the BSA's, so £5k to a, walk in customer then? I sold my bike recently, l used the market to get an idea then made mine the cheapest, it was, also the newest year and lowest mileage, it sold......the others are still for sale.
Does that price for the Harley Davidson include VAT and retaliatory tariffs?
£8,000 is still a huge amount of money for a garbage bike that no one wants. Have you seen the thing from the left hand side? Just a disgraceful lack of care and detail
Seriously nightsters are only cheap because they're so ugly no one wants one. I wouldn't be buying Harley to begin with if I didn't care about looks.
I don't see any deals here in the USA there still getting top dollar! Unless anyone knows different i'm looking to buy something!
In most areas there are motorcycle cafes ,,, North Lincolnshire theres William woods lay buy,,with a tea bar,,,just go ,,look at bikes ,get chatiing ,then go again..repeat ,,its not Rocket science
No such emissions rules here in the free state of Florida! No inspection and no insurance needed here either !🤔
Amen! Europe has gone nutzzz
No insurance - what happens if someone crashes into you just buy another i suppose?
I’m flying out there now
@@Oliverlikesbikes all the people i knew had insurance
no helmet laws either...at least when i lived there
There's a difference between the standard Nightster and the Nightster Special, about £1000.
New Zealand...probably the most boring roads out of the USA,if you live on the South Island,6 x 5mths summer seasons,i'll never have a road bike there ever again,paradise off-road!
Facebook groups are quite good. There are female motorcycle groups “Female motorbikes UK” is a popular one that I joined. Lots of people post on there about meeting others local to them, to go on rides. There are women of all ages posting.
Freddie, there is a flip side to your bargain bike of the week, the Harley Nightster. That would be the first owner. If a Harley dealership can sell that 2 year old bike at almost half price, just think what the poor sod who first owned it was given as trade in value for it… they must be crying at the pittance Harley allowed them for it.
I’ve owned a few Harley’s in my time and traditionally they always used to hold their value really well.. but it seems that time is over. Buyer beware!
JUST LIKE ELECTRIC CARS LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE 3/4/5 YEAR LEASE ENDS AND ALL THESE CARS COME ON THE MARKET THOSE BOUGHT BY CORPORATE COMPANIES OR COUNCILS TRYING TO PROVE THEIR WORTH THEY WILL BE WORTH NOTHING YES NOTHING YOU WAIT AND SEE MARK MY WORDS !!
The tracer in the uk was the 900 the one he bought was the 700 version
Thanks for the heads up
Even at £8K I am not interested in the 973 Nightster and still prefer my old 883 Evo Sportster Iron
More than anything else, makes me want to move to New Zealand, except for the damn earthquakes....
Look up your local bike night. Normally very friendly no matter what you ride .
If it ain't a pushrod engine, it ain't a Harley.
Or a Guzzi
harley davidson edinburgh is closing and now hd oxford is going as well. this after the lind group shut watford and reading. harleys are just to expensive for what you get. a dealer gave me a very good price for my sportster and i got a suzuki gsx8r which for everyday and reliablity is going to be better. hd servicing is also very expensive and the suzuki service is about £200. even with the price drop on the 2025 street bob and added tech it now comes with its still a luxury purchase and these days people havnt got the money.
Ok Freddie, here’s my 2 cents on the bike of the week. 8k for a 3 year old Sportster is a good deal. But, why is that? Because nobody wants one. Why aren’t other Harley models that cheap? Because people want them. Just because a bike is a good deal doesn’t make it popular. Young guys love old style Sportsters. There easy to chop and parts in the aftermarket are everywhere. Those new Sportsters not so much. Some bikes from Harley were really good, but just didn’t have a big following. The V Rod was one. Others not so much like the street 750. In time the newer Sportsters will come around. Always remember. A Harley in parts in a bushel basket, is gonna be worth more than any other bike in parts in a bushel basket.
S W M bought all the parts for the old 883 sportsters and now make them calling them a Stormbringer they look good check them out
No one wants 2025 Euro 5.5 bikes Freddie with hugely restricted quieter exhausts, heavier, less power in some cases etc, I expect a bad year for sales then will settle down 🤔 JB 🏴
.. This is what the Eurocrats want but why is the U.K. still following Euro emissions ? 🤷♂️ We lost so many bikes at the end of 2020, we could get them back. 💡
Another dealer closing in Scotland, Edinburgh Harley/Kawasaki end of year 😞
I’ll tell you at least in Canada good luck getting insurance if it’s an older bike. I almost didn’t get insurance on my old 74 Ironhead. Had to search and search. Never buy an underpowered bike. You’ll always upgrade. Just learn how to ride the bigger bike. You’ll get used to it quickly. It’s almost like motorcycling is dying off. Younger riders? They’re in their basements playing video games about motorcycling 😂
Got offered a break bew pre reg ktm 790 duke delivered to my door for £4800
I love break bew bikes
@paulblackfield473 lol, brand new
Did they include a couple of spare camshafts?
@stepneye1165 the cf moto made bikes from 2023 have had no cam issues, so no they didn't as not needed.
I will e-mail you with my whole story, but to make it short: a co worker sold me his 125 Honda, and we started riding together. He met a guy while walking his dogs, and now there’s 25 people in the WhatsApp chat group, many co workers and many from other walks of life
They're discounting 2k off a new tracer 7.
The guy that works in spare parts isn't an insider 😂😂
Harley does too little too late, their UK dealerships are closing one after another.
Is that with an engine ? R
Your viewer asked where young riders meet other riders. Here in San Francisco, young riders meet at gay biker bars.
It's the same here in the UK. If you are a guy man on the cruise your either get into bikes or go to lots of saunas. If you do both you will ne er be lonely
I have to say - the Yanks have the correct way of dealing with emissions laws. (Even if they do drive on the wrong side of the road).
Are you only doing price comparisons now? Once bought, you should stop looking. You will either be sick that you paid too much or possibly drawn into buying something you don't want or need just because of the low price.
I was employed in the service dept of motorcycle dealership for 25 years and saw what appeared to be five year cycles of sales of new bikes. A boom year would be followed by a crash year followed by three or four years of gradual build up to another boom year. I used to wonder where the customers came from but they kept coming. This year is a particularly bad year for dealers but with fewer dealers the survivors will probably have a good year next year.
Don't forget that in 1970 a new Norton Commando was the same price as a new 850cc Mini car. I was constantly being told that I should buy a car but I just. had to have a bike. Compare car to bike prices to see if that has changed over 55 years.......
It looks like you have beeen crying.
🆒😎👍🏻
Still far too expensive for what you get.
8000 for a boat anchor?
I was wondering when the first comment would be😆
That's funny do you agree a entry level bike should be a simple 500cc bike that would sell
I saw that ad and it tells you exactly what the bike is, a dud. How can that investment at HD end up with "old" Sportsters fetching higher prices? Crazy!
@@peteduch2151 Without puntuation your comment makes no sense at all.
@@paulblackfield473 really how sad for you
When used bikes come up at ridiculously low prices at dealers I sometimes think of the previous owner who most likely got fleeced when he/she sold the bike to that dealer.
I would like to know who has the money to buy a new bike unless it's on hp ?
Plenty of people. Despite all the moaning and groaning there’s still a lot of money sloshing around. The ageing demographic includes plenty of retirees on a tidy pension. Not that buying a new bike for cash is a good idea nowadays as it’s very expensive and a heavily depreciating asset.
Try asking someone who's got one...durr!
MAGA Freddie!! Lithuania just woke up and wants to back Trump too!!
'bout bloody time!
Funnily enough I’ve just been reading about this! Trump is a man on a mission
@@tuesdayatdobbs Love this response! You've just made a superfan buddy!!! ❤Not just a pretty face after all 😉
@@tuesdayatdobbsTrouble is he doesn’t know what the “mission” is…..his mouth works before he’s engaged his ‘brain’🍊
Don't think anyone knows what the mission Is but the Democrats were going to turn the whole world into the 3rd world if they kept going. People just wanted safety a house and health care. Not immigrants and pronouns.
Imagine admitting in public that you support a fascist. Support a fascist, you are a fascist.
Squire's Cafe....careful....biker seriously injured on Sunday around those roads........MidlifeRider.