I have the indie version but today I purchased the mass market edition and the quality of the deck is really good. I cannot fault my deck and if you missed out on the indie trust me the mass market one and book wont disappoint :-)
I have been trying to get my hands on the indie deck for some time! I love it so much. I love to collect tarot decks. So beautiful. I love my mass market deck though. Definitely no complaints at all.
Great run threw. I gave the light seers tarot on the small box but I love the deck. Works really well with other tarot decks and oracle decks so you can go deeper for clarity. I love the deck as what it says basically where there is light there is dark there is shadow. Brilliant run threw ❤️
I got my copy this morning (ordered from amazon uk). I was a little apprehensive about ordering it because I had read a lot of negative comments but I badly wanted it. I absolutely love it!! I like the card stock and everything about it. I cannot fault it in anyway and so happy i went for it. Probably one of my favourite decks now xx
Thank you for this, Simon. Every time I went to check out the independent deck it was sold out. I am happy to have purchased the mass produced copy from book depository for $16.65 with 10% off during their Black Friday sale. I definitely like this more than The Muse tarot and am very pleased to have it at all. Blessings 🙏🏻
Hey Meghan! May I ask if your bookdepository copy was of good quality? I really want to get this deck from them, but with all the people reporting bending and other defects, I'm now having serious doubts. Thank you!
@@shwethaholla7966 Thank you! I think I'm going to wait for a 2nd print or something. Happy holidays to all - may we be grateful for what we have and attract even more of the best!
Glad you did this Simon - so handy for people to be able to compare the two decks. I was just using mine. I really love it - Chris-Anne did a BRILLIANT job!
Really interesting to see the side by side comparison, I have only got the mass produced but I have really gelled with this deck and I adore it. I had heard that people had said the mass produced wasnt very good quality so I was a little apprehensive but I am really happy with this deck. Thank you for sharing this!
I fully intend to also get the mass-market version of this deck. But I am hoping they will sort out the printing issues, so am biding my time for the moment. This deck is just wonderful. Thanks for showing the comparison!
You have a very good edition. My cards are different in size, there is missing laminating on some of the backs. Also the first half of the deck has a crease in the middel at the side. I contacted my seller, and got my money back. So no loss for me, but i would love a more flawless editon! Hoping for a second better printing! Thank you for this review!!
I got mine yesterday! I was so happy and excited receiving it! I agree for the box and the book, very nice both of them. But as for the card stock I expected it thicker, better trimmed and ofcourse with coloured edges. Such a beautiful artwork..it is sad for the publishing company because she's done such a nice work.
The gilded edges is really what's missing for me, don't get me wrong the box is very nice and overall presentation of the indie..but that aside...having only paid £11.99 for the mass deck with free delivery... I'm not too down hearted at all. Thank you for the review 💖
A dear client gave me the Mass Market Version and I loved it! I made an unboxing video of I with my opinions, but I really think I am not missing much from the Indie Version
I have the mass produced........ I am glad to see there is not much difference [ I was really annoyed I missed out on the original ]. So glad you did the comparison........ I edged mine in black because the backs are so dark. Defiantly one of my favourite decks.....just love the art work !!
Thank you for showing these two side by side Simon 😊 it looks like Hay House have done a really good job and although I love matte card stock, I actually quite like the look of the shiny card stock that Hay House have opted for in the mass market version. Oh and I noticed the slight lingering over the Devil card 😉 😍❤️
Thanks for the review. Just in case you're still curious about the fact that the Indie version seems thicker than the Hay House version, yes it is thicker. In fact the Indie version is a 400 gsm stock card whereas for the Hay House version it's a 350 gsm stock card. I just bought the Hay House version and I absolutely love it, it's my favourite tarot deck.
A Facebook group I'm following has a lot of members sending back their decks due to uneven edges and also a fold in the middle of each card, better seen from the back.
I believe it looks like two separate decks because it is two sheets of cards that both got cut into the individual cards. And each sheet is probably done separately. At least that would be my guess
I missed out on the Kickstarter campaign and so was thrilled when this went mass. But I'm going to blow your mind a bit more over the mass deck - mine is not shiny! Not totally matte like the indie version but definitely a flat finish. Mine also had a natural break half way through and unfortunately, all of the back half of the deck had a small crease (@ 3/4") on the right edge about 2/3 of the way down the side of the card. I bought mine from Wordery and they couldn't have been nicer about sending me a new one, which hasn't arrived yet. I'm a bit worried as I've heard that there has been a lot of production issues with Hay House and this deck. Thanks for the video, Simon!
I believe they had to pull the first mass print run because of the problems with weird cardstock (like the Mary-El issues with the black edged edition) so I am wondering, does your ruined copy have the older 10 of Swords??
@tamipie The 10/S was changed due to a huge controversy over the original so the mass produced never had it. Only people with the indie version will have the first one.
@@What_Shaniquas_Into yeah, I have the kickstarter deck, and I like the first 10/S, I have yet to hear a compelling argument for the change. But the creator is such a sweet sensitive person, I think she couldn't bear the pain of even a few of her customers, so the change. I can respect that.
Well I got my mass produced version today. I will be also doing a review of mine as well in a comparison. I have the same issue as what Nina at Shuffle Tarot had with her deck, which is disappointing, but they are still gorgeous cards. Thank you for this walk through Simon. Much love and blessings your way. 💜💜💜
@@the_hermits_cave on the back of half of my deck it on one of the sides it looks like they all had been creased or something. Not sure what happened and also half of the deck is kind of off like yours was, like two separate decks.
i had issues with my deck from hay house ,which i posted on your fab group, with creasing and rough cutting. hay house immediately sent me a new deck was perfect. they also said for me to keep the old one. i love my deck now. so if anyone has issues with creases, just let them know. they will replace.
@@jacc3821 Thank you, I will definitely do that. It's good to hear that they took care of the issue quickly. I love this deck, it's definitely my soul deck!
@@AmethystAscensionTarot I received my copy earlier today and had similar issues to yours; creasing to one side and the second half of the deck being taller than the first. Hay House usually produces great quality decks - especially lately - so this is disappointing; I'm also not used to such thin cardstock from them. I've notified them, of course.
At least one person received a Hay House deck with half matte and half shiny cards! If there are matte ones to be found, I will find them! I was painfully disappointed to see the finish is so much less amazing than it could have been, given Hay House’s other decks. Sigh.
I don't mind having a mass market version of this. What I do mind is not having it delivered on time. Ordered it from BookDepository 3 weeks ago! I know it's free delivery and all but I never waited that long for anything. 9 months of pregnancy is nothing compared to waiting on a deck delivery...
Thanks for this. Can you explain how you edge your decks? I missed this indie version alas and would like to put the beautiful coral on the muse and this exquisite vibrant life carrying green on the seer deck. Thanks
How do u feel about the change in the 10 of swords? I'm new to tarot but I wanted your perspective on the meaning in both of the illustrations and how they might differ from the interpretation or how they may be the same...? Thank you :)
Is there any difference in the books of the mass market and indie versions? would be so grateful to know how can one lay their hands on the books that comes with the indie version! Thanks so much for the video!
Oh Simon I’m so sad with this deck, I was excited to get it as a gift from my daughter for Xmas and it’s so damaged all the corners of the box the cards have a huge fold in the middle and top left on some and the cutting is just so bad.🥺😔😔😔I think I might send this one back 😔
It's the coating of the cards which makes all the difference. The mass-market deck has cheap printing and poor quality paper without a proper coating to give it resistance and malleability, resulting in fragile cards that feel like they will break if you shuffle them or handle them without being very careful.
Is there any word on a second printing from hayhouse?? I absolutely adore this deck but mine is like the others in its poor quality. My edges are all different sizes and there is a considerable bow in the whole deck. I would gladly purchase this again if they reprint it!
I have the indie version but today I purchased the mass market edition and the quality of the deck is really good. I cannot fault my deck and if you missed out on the indie trust me the mass market one and book wont disappoint :-)
Michele Craker soooo true!
I adore this deck. It's definitely my favorite. I've never felt so connected to a deck before.
I have been trying to get my hands on the indie deck for some time! I love it so much. I love to collect tarot decks. So beautiful. I love my mass market deck though. Definitely no complaints at all.
Great run threw. I gave the light seers tarot on the small box but I love the deck. Works really well with other tarot decks and oracle decks so you can go deeper for clarity.
I love the deck as what it says basically where there is light there is dark there is shadow.
Brilliant run threw ❤️
Thank you! Pleased it helped
I got my copy this morning (ordered from amazon uk). I was a little apprehensive about ordering it because I had read a lot of negative comments but I badly wanted it. I absolutely love it!! I like the card stock and everything about it. I cannot fault it in anyway and so happy i went for it. Probably one of my favourite decks now xx
Yaay, I’m so pleased 😀
@@the_hermits_cave Thank you xx
Thank you for this, Simon. Every time I went to check out the independent deck it was sold out. I am happy to have purchased the mass produced copy from book depository for $16.65 with 10% off during their Black Friday sale. I definitely like this more than The Muse tarot and am very pleased to have it at all. Blessings 🙏🏻
Hey Meghan! May I ask if your bookdepository copy was of good quality? I really want to get this deck from them, but with all the people reporting bending and other defects, I'm now having serious doubts. Thank you!
@@FancyDress21 I was told that the card stock isn't good at all
@@shwethaholla7966 Thank you! I think I'm going to wait for a 2nd print or something. Happy holidays to all - may we be grateful for what we have and attract even more of the best!
I love your set up there, looks beautiful and serene.
I got my one really fast from Hay House, I am actually really happy with it. I will have to edge my one soon. 😊💚
Healing Days Oracle have you edged it yet? I am dying to know if the cardstock can handle it...
Glad you did this Simon - so handy for people to be able to compare the two decks. I was just using mine. I really love it - Chris-Anne did a BRILLIANT job!
tamipie She really did! It’s such a beautiful deck 🙏🏼❤️
Really interesting to see the side by side comparison, I have only got the mass produced but I have really gelled with this deck and I adore it. I had heard that people had said the mass produced wasnt very good quality so I was a little apprehensive but I am really happy with this deck. Thank you for sharing this!
You’re welcome 🙏🏼
I fully intend to also get the mass-market version of this deck. But I am hoping they will sort out the printing issues, so am biding my time for the moment. This deck is just wonderful. Thanks for showing the comparison!
You have a very good edition. My cards are different in size, there is missing laminating on some of the backs. Also the first half of the deck has a crease in the middel at the side. I contacted my seller, and got my money back. So no loss for me, but i would love a more flawless editon! Hoping for a second better printing! Thank you for this review!!
I'm dreaming of a pocket size edition of this deck to be released !
I got mine yesterday! I was so happy and excited receiving it! I agree for the box and the book, very nice both of them. But as for the card stock I expected it thicker, better trimmed and ofcourse with coloured edges. Such a beautiful artwork..it is sad for the publishing company because she's done such a nice work.
Also thank you the artist for free download of the light seer s journal. Again excellent work by her!
You know how I feel as a collector.......DANG!
I'm glad you've done this as I've just got the mass edition. I couldn't get the indie as it sold out. Let's see what I'm missing x
The gilded edges is really what's missing for me, don't get me wrong the box is very nice and overall presentation of the indie..but that aside...having only paid £11.99 for the mass deck with free delivery... I'm not too down hearted at all. Thank you for the review 💖
A dear client gave me the Mass Market Version and I loved it! I made an unboxing video of I with my opinions, but I really think I am not missing much from the Indie Version
I have the mass produced........ I am glad to see there is not much difference [ I was really annoyed I missed out on the original ].
So glad you did the comparison........ I edged mine in black because the backs are so dark.
Defiantly one of my favourite decks.....just love the art work !!
Did you have any bleeding?
@@the_hermits_caveYes ..... A bit of bleeding which is really annoying but I do like black edges !!
Thank you for showing these two side by side Simon 😊 it looks like Hay House have done a really good job and although I love matte card stock, I actually quite like the look of the shiny card stock that Hay House have opted for in the mass market version. Oh and I noticed the slight lingering over the Devil card 😉 😍❤️
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I’m getting mine in today and I’m so excited! I am a little sad that it’s not guilded but that’s okay. I will have my review of it up tomorrow!
🔮SL
Think of the environment. That is how I feel. Good for the environment
I have the mass produced deck and they’re lovely
Beautiful deck thank you Simon
You mentioned edging the mass produced yourself and I wonder if you would be able to demonstrate that in a video?
Thank you Simon, namaste ❤
Thanks for the review. Just in case you're still curious about the fact that the Indie version seems thicker than the Hay House version, yes it is thicker. In fact the Indie version is a 400 gsm stock card whereas for the Hay House version it's a 350 gsm stock card. I just bought the Hay House version and I absolutely love it, it's my favourite tarot deck.
Why this tarot have a different versions but still the same?
Thanks for sharing. On my Wishlist.
Thanks for that!
I’m still not sure if I want a mass market version of this deck or not.... perhaps one for the holiday wish list!! 🤔
I'd rather have three of the mass produced than one of the indie. Three different edging possibilities!
I like your way of thinking 🤔
A Facebook group I'm following has a lot of members sending back their decks due to uneven edges and also a fold in the middle of each card, better seen from the back.
Which FB group is that, please? I'm expecting my deck on Monday.
Perfect i want the Indie ... ❤🥰
It’s very hard to get now and people are charging silly money.
@@the_hermits_cave yes you are right !! I need to read better mine first of all 🤣😝!!
@@the_hermits_cave but the side green is something special we do not see this to much ...
I believe it looks like two separate decks because it is two sheets of cards that both got cut into the individual cards. And each sheet is probably done separately. At least that would be my guess
I missed out on the Kickstarter campaign and so was thrilled when this went mass. But I'm going to blow your mind a bit more over the mass deck - mine is not shiny! Not totally matte like the indie version but definitely a flat finish.
Mine also had a natural break half way through and unfortunately, all of the back half of the deck had a small crease (@ 3/4") on the right edge about 2/3 of the way down the side of the card. I bought mine from Wordery and they couldn't have been nicer about sending me a new one, which hasn't arrived yet. I'm a bit worried as I've heard that there has been a lot of production issues with Hay House and this deck.
Thanks for the video, Simon!
How strange! These are definitely not glossy, but they do have a shine.
I believe they had to pull the first mass print run because of the problems with weird cardstock (like the Mary-El issues with the black edged edition) so I am wondering, does your ruined copy have the older 10 of Swords??
@@tamipie Good question! I had to go look and yes, I have the newer 10 of Swords.
@tamipie The 10/S was changed due to a huge controversy over the original so the mass produced never had it. Only people with the indie version will have the first one.
@@What_Shaniquas_Into yeah, I have the kickstarter deck, and I like the first 10/S, I have yet to hear a compelling argument for the change. But the creator is such a sweet sensitive person, I think she couldn't bear the pain of even a few of her customers, so the change. I can respect that.
Well I got my mass produced version today. I will be also doing a review of mine as well in a comparison. I have the same issue as what Nina at Shuffle Tarot had with her deck, which is disappointing, but they are still gorgeous cards. Thank you for this walk through Simon. Much love and blessings your way. 💜💜💜
What’s the issue? We’re they damaged?
@@the_hermits_cave on the back of half of my deck it on one of the sides it looks like they all had been creased or something. Not sure what happened and also half of the deck is kind of off like yours was, like two separate decks.
i had issues with my deck from hay house ,which i posted on your fab group, with creasing and rough cutting. hay house immediately sent me a new deck was perfect. they also said for me to keep the old one. i love my deck now. so if anyone has issues with creases, just let them know. they will replace.
@@jacc3821 Thank you, I will definitely do that. It's good to hear that they took care of the issue quickly. I love this deck, it's definitely my soul deck!
@@AmethystAscensionTarot I received my copy earlier today and had similar issues to yours; creasing to one side and the second half of the deck being taller than the first. Hay House usually produces great quality decks - especially lately - so this is disappointing; I'm also not used to such thin cardstock from them. I've notified them, of course.
At least one person received a Hay House deck with half matte and half shiny cards! If there are matte ones to be found, I will find them! I was painfully disappointed to see the finish is so much less amazing than it could have been, given Hay House’s other decks. Sigh.
Right? We know they are capable 🙏🏼
I don't mind having a mass market version of this. What I do mind is not having it delivered on time. Ordered it from BookDepository 3 weeks ago! I know it's free delivery and all but I never waited that long for anything. 9 months of pregnancy is nothing compared to waiting on a deck delivery...
Right! BD is fab with its free worldwide delivery, but it sure takes its time 🙏🏼
Thanks for this. Can you explain how you edge your decks? I missed this indie version alas and would like to put the beautiful coral on the muse and this exquisite vibrant life carrying green on the seer deck. Thanks
Belinda Chambers For this deck I used a Windsor and Newton pen, the chisel tipped end of course 🙏🏼
@@the_hermits_cave thank you very much I shall give it a go!!!×
The Hermit’s Cave Simon, so you edged the mass market version with a W&N marker? How does it look? What color did you use? 😍
Elizabeth Blake sky blue
The Hermit’s Cave did it turn out ok? Thank you!
why it can feel thicker when they are the same width goes in the quality of the paperstock. Something about how it's laminated or the porosity of it
Phew! This deck does nothing for me. Interesting to see them side by side though.
Thank you Simon. What did you say about the 10 of swords, I did not understood.
That I like the new version
How do u feel about the change in the 10 of swords? I'm new to tarot but I wanted your perspective on the meaning in both of the illustrations and how they might differ from the interpretation or how they may be the same...? Thank you :)
Is there any difference in the books of the mass market and indie versions? would be so grateful to know how can one lay their hands on the books that comes with the indie version! Thanks so much for the video!
A little less information, nothing to sweat though.
Oh Simon I’m so sad with this deck, I was excited to get it as a gift from my daughter for Xmas and it’s so damaged all the corners of the box the cards have a huge fold in the middle and top left on some and the cutting is just so bad.🥺😔😔😔I think I might send this one back 😔
Yes I heard about this fault and HH are replacing
Oh that’s good to know I shall try to contact them , thanks so much xoxox
Same. I returned them to Amazon. Was so disappointed as I had it on pre-order for months.
It's the coating of the cards which makes all the difference. The mass-market deck has cheap printing and poor quality paper without a proper coating to give it resistance and malleability, resulting in fragile cards that feel like they will break if you shuffle them or handle them without being very careful.
Hi Simon, great review. May l ask where do you get your colour edging from please!? I’ve never colour edged tarot before but really would love too 😊
It came with the independently produced version.
Still so gutted I missed out on the indie version - keeps coming up on ebay but £300 plus and I can't face more than £100 max on a single deck 😭
It’s so frustrating isn’t it?
Thank you
Is there any word on a second printing from hayhouse?? I absolutely adore this deck but mine is like the others in its poor quality. My edges are all different sizes and there is a considerable bow in the whole deck. I would gladly purchase this again if they reprint it!
Not heard anything yet. What a nightmare
Is the green edged version available on Amazon?
Smitha Pathak sadly not, it’s the indie version
The Hierophant looks like Rishi Sunak
Why this tarot have a different versions but still the same? The indie is more beautiful, and it changed the 10 of swords.
The artwork is beautiful, the hierophant card is thumbs down for me