Shadowguard likely retains it's insane spell power scailing and all the interactions with spriest's debuffs and mana recovery. It's going to deal a ton of damage, in many pve encounters too, wherever anythying hits you with non-environmental attack.
@@Stinkfist616 I believe that is currently the case with Patchwerk emitting his aura where in top logs shadowguard accounts for solid 100+ dps. In tbc, it gets at least 8% higher modifier from debuffs and recovers mana. There are way more bosses in tbc that do some aoe. In essence, troll sleeper bis.
Just wanted to add, troll is too underrated for priest. Rolled one in classic and I can't say how many but I can say that a loooot of times I was saved by the shadowguard stun. Really underrated and overlooked. People tend to forget that your rank 1 Hex of Weakness has exactly the same 20% - healing as the top rank, so just plant that on everyone you see in battlegrounds. Flag carriers specifically.
NE is the best for real esp if shadow.. star shards is another instant cast dot for no cost 50 percent uptime, swp, vamp embrace.. it really becomes lol and ofc shadow wrd death execute
I have a shadow troll priest in wow classic, it was tough deciding between undead and troll. If your going to do mainly tbc arena then wotf is very op and frees up a trinket spot. But seeing as I will be staying in the classic era with the troll priest shadow guard is so nice against melee classes giving you that extra 3 chances to get black out and scales well with gear. And rank1 spam of hex of weakness is nice I just dot it up on everyone. But if I was to roll tbc arena then undead priest maybe slightly better just because of wotf. DP uses a lot of mana and needs to be used with IF and can easily be cleansed but for pve its great. It is a hard choice but for arena undead probs. classic era player then troll priest
Priest race is such a hard choice...a lot of differences between Vanila, TBC and Wrath. starshard become insta dot in tbc, wrath normalizes racial skills and make it that every race priest can get all skills. so night elf can have 4 dots. starshard, shadow world pain, vampiric touch and devouring plague in wrath. even tho devouring plague not so good in wrath anymore. devouring plague op in tbc. stoneform op againt rogues... also there are racial skills like stoneform or will of the worsaken + job specific racial skills like devouring plague,starshard...im thinking between undead devouring plague, stoneform dwarf or nightelf for shadowmel+starshard+ elune blessing 20% miss. deouring plague cna be cleansed by stoneform, pally, druid...ymbe even mage. I alredy have Druid Night Elf but Priest Night elf might be really good
@@jarlfisk mybe undead for devouring plague but it can get cleansed, dwars is really good choise to..stoneform is grest against rogues and dots..even tho priest have no mobility anyway so u wont be able to kite...im probably going nightelf...starshard becomes insta dot in tbc so good u can have 4 dots pain, starshard, vampiric touch and holy fire..the thing is u cant have shadow tree if u wanna go deep holy blessed ressilence...blessed resilence is soo good...priest is really good in heavy crit meta..he has bunch of anti crit meta talents...and elune grace is also sleeper
@@jarlfisk also every priest race get fear ward in tbc and in worlk racial abilities get normalized and nerfed. U can pick devouring plsague on night elf but ir is not that good anymore. If u wanna go strictly shadow mybe go undead but if u wanna go mix of holy and disc go dwarf or nightelf. Also priest have shadow resistance aura and in holy they get -10% spell dmg ehich is reslky good against earlocks and other spriest. So noe u just have to figure out hoe to counter rogues. Blessed resilence talent in holy, martydom talent in disc tree or stoneform are ur best choises imo. Blessed ressilence is just op but u need to sacrafice vampiric touch or power infusion
@@jarlfisk i need more experience tho dakota have a nice shadow priest. Blessed ressilence is good in Arena imo. Iek man u shoukd try endles.gg and go to tournament realm...tbc private server u can try a lot od rjing there with insta max lvl etc
Hi. I like the video and want to add something. Belfs consume magic is often seen as pure garbage I know, "why would you want to remove a buff on you, could mean Fort?". Well what you do is put rank 1 renew on you or any cheap priest low rank spell and press it, you gain more mana back then the cost, plus keeping your buffs. Secondly, mana tap can be used to keep people in combat longer as it's free mana cost. Quite handy when you're getting low on mana but want to keep that person trying to run away to regen, restealth, los pillars or w/e. AoE silence is decent yes, even on priest as ppl often flock towards you, enabling you to silence the 2 or 3 targets sometimes. Deny warrior shouts etc. Just my 2 cents ^^
Well the issue I see with this is that it seems like a lot of wasted globals on just wankin around, when instead in that time you could've dropped combat and started drinking or just let the natural mana regen kick in after the 5 seconds. The ammount of mana it gives back is so pathetic that it is not worth it even to click it. Perhaps I have the wrong numbers and perhaps it will be a significant ammount on live but we shall see. Thanks for the great comment!
I don't think Elune's Grace works on spells, but it would be decent paired with the stun, silence and interrupt talents. It should continue working while casting, unlike the dodge version of it in vanilla. The reason Troll and NE seems better to me, is the cooldowns of their abilities compared to the options on their factions. Desperate prayer is great, but that 10 minute CD kills it for me. Starshards costs no mana, and can add up a lot of damage in an Arena match. Devouring Plague is amazing, but it's mana cost and cooldown make it pretty meh compared to Troll. Do you know if Elune's Grace can be purged? What abilities does it work on? I'm assuming it works on kick, pummels, scatters, silencing shots, intimidate etc. Which could end up being extremely good when trying to get a heal off. It doesn't take many missed interrupts to push an arena game in favor of the other team.
Stoneform and Devouring plague op in TBC, also Starshard becomes insta dot in TBC so spriest has shadow world pain, starshard, vampiric touch and devouring plague in wotlk. even tho wotlk devouring plague kinda sux, but really good in TBC. so many differences between vanila, TBC and Wrath.
I'm still torn between Night Elf, Undead and Troll for my priest... I'm considering mostly which one is the best for the arena. I don't mind the big feet lul
Undead if u go pure shadow even tho devo plagie can get cleansed, if u go mix of holy and disco go dwarf or night elf. Starshard and elun grace are sleeper. Also blessed resilence is sleeper tslent from holy. Even tho u have to sacrafice vampiric touch or infusion
@@asb2s reduces dmg taken by 3 % and increases healing taken by 12%. I can see it being good in healing heavy comps but other than that idk. Blessed resilience is op against people that don't know about this talent...it is op in crit/burst heavy meta for sure. but yea if u want o to have a blessed resilence u need to sacrifice some shadow talents. I'm just gonna upload video about Night Elf Priest soon so ymbe check it out :)
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you didn't touch on troll haste racial, which is great for offensive or defensive play in pve and pvp, and another great addition to the other troll priest racials. I'm still undecided on troll or UD for arena myself. shadowguard is great dps and for blackout defence, mini MS vs WOTF and devouring plague, which pally's can dispel also btw.
Ah mate I was trying my best to stick to priest specific spells, not go over the racials themselves :) I would say you should def go troll if you want to go shadow, however for discipline i would suggest undead
@@Stinkfist616 you kept bringing up wotf (rightfully so) is why I bring that up haha. But yeah I think troll for shadow is the best option, and I do plan on playing shadow :).
@@user-qq8tp9cn9p Yeah, i tried not to bring the usual racials into this but you are right, they should ofcourse be a big part of your decision. Ill see you in the arena mate :)
@@Stinkfist616 Fear ward was added t all priest in TBC, all other racial abilities liek devouring plague and starshard were normalized for all priest races in wrath. most racial traits got nerfed in wrath.
Chastise is very strong in PVP. It allows you to root enemies in place in order for a mana burn or to catch up to them for a psychic scream.
quality videos thanks. it's a shame youtube search hides real info and discussions underneath basic icy veins regurgitations.
well put, but there is always somethingto find :)
that dwarf chastise will help you get a fear off. so its pretty nice
Draenei get it too ;)
@@Nodnarb59 I like pvp so it would be dwarf 100%
Shadowguard likely retains it's insane spell power scailing and all the interactions with spriest's debuffs and mana recovery. It's going to deal a ton of damage, in many pve encounters too, wherever anythying hits you with non-environmental attack.
thats very good insight! i hope we see variety in priest races and not just ud and dwarf
@@Stinkfist616 I believe that is currently the case with Patchwerk emitting his aura where in top logs shadowguard accounts for solid 100+ dps. In tbc, it gets at least 8% higher modifier from debuffs and recovers mana. There are way more bosses in tbc that do some aoe.
In essence, troll sleeper bis.
Just wanted to add, troll is too underrated for priest. Rolled one in classic and I can't say how many but I can say that a loooot of times I was saved by the shadowguard stun. Really underrated and overlooked.
People tend to forget that your rank 1 Hex of Weakness has exactly the same 20% - healing as the top rank, so just plant that on everyone you see in battlegrounds. Flag carriers specifically.
NE is the best for real esp if shadow.. star shards is another instant cast dot for no cost 50 percent uptime, swp, vamp embrace.. it really becomes lol and ofc shadow wrd death execute
Wait was devouring plague announced for all races?
I dont think devouring plague is up for all races, tho nelf seems strong anyways
Devouring Plauge becomes accessible to all in WOTLK like the Draenei Hymn of Hope, and Humam/Dwarf Desperate Prayer
Starshards have 80% spell coefficiency, its been tested on the classic beta, which seems insanely OP.
I have a shadow troll priest in wow classic, it was tough deciding between undead and troll. If your going to do mainly tbc arena then wotf is very op and frees up a trinket spot. But seeing as I will be staying in the classic era with the troll priest shadow guard is so nice against melee classes giving you that extra 3 chances to get black out and scales well with gear. And rank1 spam of hex of weakness is nice I just dot it up on everyone. But if I was to roll tbc arena then undead priest maybe slightly better just because of wotf. DP uses a lot of mana and needs to be used with IF and can easily be cleansed but for pve its great. It is a hard choice but for arena undead probs. classic era player then troll priest
I'm glad I rolled my night elf waifu was considering switching to ugly dwarf but this helped change my mind. :) great vid ty
Priest race is such a hard choice...a lot of differences between Vanila, TBC and Wrath. starshard become insta dot in tbc, wrath normalizes racial skills and make it that every race priest can get all skills. so night elf can have 4 dots. starshard, shadow world pain, vampiric touch and devouring plague in wrath. even tho devouring plague not so good in wrath anymore. devouring plague op in tbc. stoneform op againt rogues... also there are racial skills like stoneform or will of the worsaken + job specific racial skills like devouring plague,starshard...im thinking between undead devouring plague, stoneform dwarf or nightelf for shadowmel+starshard+ elune blessing 20% miss. deouring plague cna be cleansed by stoneform, pally, druid...ymbe even mage. I alredy have Druid Night Elf but Priest Night elf might be really good
For tbc pvp what race is best for sp? And if you know for wotlk what race is best for sp pvp?:)
@@jarlfisk mybe undead for devouring plague but it can get cleansed, dwars is really good choise to..stoneform is grest against rogues and dots..even tho priest have no mobility anyway so u wont be able to kite...im probably going nightelf...starshard becomes insta dot in tbc so good u can have 4 dots pain, starshard, vampiric touch and holy fire..the thing is u cant have shadow tree if u wanna go deep holy blessed ressilence...blessed resilence is soo good...priest is really good in heavy crit meta..he has bunch of anti crit meta talents...and elune grace is also sleeper
@@jarlfisk also every priest race get fear ward in tbc and in worlk racial abilities get normalized and nerfed. U can pick devouring plsague on night elf but ir is not that good anymore. If u wanna go strictly shadow mybe go undead but if u wanna go mix of holy and disc go dwarf or nightelf. Also priest have shadow resistance aura and in holy they get -10% spell dmg ehich is reslky good against earlocks and other spriest. So noe u just have to figure out hoe to counter rogues. Blessed resilence talent in holy, martydom talent in disc tree or stoneform are ur best choises imo. Blessed ressilence is just op but u need to sacrafice vampiric touch or power infusion
@@GamingDualities so Iin general how are sp for solo world pvp and arena overall in tbc but also in wotlk ?
@@jarlfisk i need more experience tho dakota have a nice shadow priest. Blessed ressilence is good in Arena imo. Iek man u shoukd try endles.gg and go to tournament realm...tbc private server u can try a lot od rjing there with insta max lvl etc
Hi. I like the video and want to add something. Belfs consume magic is often seen as pure garbage I know, "why would you want to remove a buff on you, could mean Fort?".
Well what you do is put rank 1 renew on you or any cheap priest low rank spell and press it, you gain more mana back then the cost, plus keeping your buffs. Secondly, mana tap can be used to keep people in combat longer as it's free mana cost. Quite handy when you're getting low on mana but want to keep that person trying to run away to regen, restealth, los pillars or w/e. AoE silence is decent yes, even on priest as ppl often flock towards you, enabling you to silence the 2 or 3 targets sometimes. Deny warrior shouts etc. Just my 2 cents ^^
Well the issue I see with this is that it seems like a lot of wasted globals on just wankin around, when instead in that time you could've dropped combat and started drinking or just let the natural mana regen kick in after the 5 seconds.
The ammount of mana it gives back is so pathetic that it is not worth it even to click it. Perhaps I have the wrong numbers and perhaps it will be a significant ammount on live but we shall see. Thanks for the great comment!
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I don't think Elune's Grace works on spells, but it would be decent paired with the stun, silence and interrupt talents. It should continue working while casting, unlike the dodge version of it in vanilla. The reason Troll and NE seems better to me, is the cooldowns of their abilities compared to the options on their factions. Desperate prayer is great, but that 10 minute CD kills it for me. Starshards costs no mana, and can add up a lot of damage in an Arena match. Devouring Plague is amazing, but it's mana cost and cooldown make it pretty meh compared to Troll.
Do you know if Elune's Grace can be purged? What abilities does it work on? I'm assuming it works on kick, pummels, scatters, silencing shots, intimidate etc. Which could end up being extremely good when trying to get a heal off. It doesn't take many missed interrupts to push an arena game in favor of the other team.
Stoneform and Devouring plague op in TBC, also Starshard becomes insta dot in TBC so spriest has shadow world pain, starshard, vampiric touch and devouring plague in wotlk. even tho wotlk devouring plague kinda sux, but really good in TBC. so many differences between vanila, TBC and Wrath.
I'm still torn between Night Elf, Undead and Troll for my priest... I'm considering mostly which one is the best for the arena. I don't mind the big feet lul
Jakub Pietrzela i think troll is the best for PVE and second best for PVP. I think it’s the way to go
Undead if u go pure shadow even tho devo plagie can get cleansed, if u go mix of holy and disco go dwarf or night elf. Starshard and elun grace are sleeper. Also blessed resilence is sleeper tslent from holy. Even tho u have to sacrafice vampiric touch or infusion
@@GamingDualities Focused Will is better than Blessed Resil and you can't have both.
@@asb2s reduces dmg taken by 3 % and increases healing taken by 12%. I can see it being good in healing heavy comps but other than that idk. Blessed resilience is op against people that don't know about this talent...it is op in crit/burst heavy meta for sure. but yea if u want o to have a blessed resilence u need to sacrifice some shadow talents. I'm just gonna upload video about Night Elf Priest soon so ymbe check it out :)
Draenei and Dwarf are good Chastise is really overlooked by everyone.
Hi Stink! How are you? I would like to tell you that your English has improved drastically! I also appreciate you putting more effort in not cussing, to much. Power point presentation game is on point! The proverbial ice freshness, hehe. Great job in total!
Thanks so much on a fantastic comment and much needed feedback. Which priest racial is your favorite?
Troll sp is Meta
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you didn't touch on troll haste racial, which is great for offensive or defensive play in pve and pvp, and another great addition to the other troll priest racials. I'm still undecided on troll or UD for arena myself. shadowguard is great dps and for blackout defence, mini MS vs WOTF and devouring plague, which pally's can dispel also btw.
Ah mate I was trying my best to stick to priest specific spells, not go over the racials themselves :) I would say you should def go troll if you want to go shadow, however for discipline i would suggest undead
@@Stinkfist616 you kept bringing up wotf (rightfully so) is why I bring that up haha. But yeah I think troll for shadow is the best option, and I do plan on playing shadow :).
@@Stinkfist616 also, when picking the race overall, you have to account for standard racials as well when thinking about making a permanent decision.
@@user-qq8tp9cn9p Yeah, i tried not to bring the usual racials into this but you are right, they should ofcourse be a big part of your decision. Ill see you in the arena mate :)
well if blizzard made it soo paladins get all pally racial abilities they might do the same for priest.
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Is there no "Fear Ward" spell in TBC ?
There is, it is baseline for ALL priests.
@@Stinkfist616 Fear ward was added t all priest in TBC, all other racial abilities liek devouring plague and starshard were normalized for all priest races in wrath. most racial traits got nerfed in wrath.
they couldve done so much better with belf priest racials