@@truthseeker1234 not necessarily a liar but he can make the data look very favorable to your situation. The state's lawyer did a terrible job on his cross examination of this witness.
When he fired the shot that killed Paul he was in a crouching position and that took off. Most of his skull and his brains were down by his feet. Alec is 6.4...and in a crouched position he would measure somewhere around five foot two to five foot to five foot four. He would have to crouch to shoot Maggie in the head because I believe she was on her hands and knees with her head down unless he shot her in the back of the head. Really how hard would it be to find a five foot two man.. Unless it was a woman. I could not breathe when he said it could not be Alex. I don't believe this for a moment. Am I missing something here?
No one has mentioned that Alex could have been sitting in a golf cart when he shot them. Remember Maggie had a tire mark on her leg. This would account for the lower shooting angle as well. it was a 3 seater golf cart with rear flip seat charger) the top of the steering wheel is 49” making the seat 36” off the ground. Add Alex’s heights on the seat which makes him roughly 5’2”-5’4” firearm height. This is probably what happened ......with the addition of him driving up to the room in the cart then washing himself and the cart down and driving back to the house.....Seems more feasible. ua-cam.com/video/8aYfUUMiyKg/v-deo.html
Everyone keeps saying the 2 guns make them think it wasn't him. We're talking about a deceitful (20 years) defense attorney. He used TWO GUNS to make it look like two shooters and to take the focus off of himself. What he didn't anticipate was Paul's very own snap chat video, Onstar, phone records, etc, that put him at the crime scene. He's a murderer. Guilty. If I'm wrong, why would the "real " evidence point to him and him only. My son was murdered and I've never heard of anyone putting up a reward for just a specific period of time.... that's ludicrous. This witness is bought and paid for by the defense, and he even says, "It's my opinion "... and you know what we all say about opinions. I'm surprised they even let this guy even testify. Trying to imply it was the cartel because most of them are between 5'2 and 5'5. I just hope the jury sees thru this bs defense play.
I don’t believe he used 2 guns intentionally. The second shot at Paul was fired while holding the shotgun by his thigh. He was shocked the first shot didn’t drop him instantly, and he lowered the gun and backed up, firing with his right hand by his side. The recoil from the shotgun caused him to drop it. He’s backing up and gets to the side by side where there’s the. .300, that he grabs to shoot Maggie.
@@bfg1836 Perhaps two guns were planned to be used by AM, remember he is a hunter, the shotgun was used for the more formidable victim at close range in the event there is a struggle. Then knowing his wife may run after he kills his son, he uses the rifle for a longer distant kill shot if necessary.
The two considerations are the fact there were two guns and the kind of guns they were. Any shooter working for a cartel would have used a specialized weapon that would have facilitated a smooth execution of the crime. BtwAll expert witnesses use the phrase “In my opinion”
Or croughing/going down to pick up the rifle and seeing paul is still alive and standing up, panick shots the second shot from that position, turning around while picking up the rifle to shoot maggie, and as he was raising the gun shot her in the leg, then side and and upper body, walked around and shot her in the head...something like that anyway
Exactly...or sitting on the ATV or lying on his stomach. Surely folks on jury has seen war movies. This guy mostly reconstructs accident scenes. The prosecution will drive this home during cross.
Pathetic. Even if you want to believe this theory rest assured that one was caught. Only Alex knows if there is another killer and a murderer can't be trusted.
@@julesservantofjesus972 no they didn't lol..... Math doesn't lie or change.... this guy is right. No matter how butt hurt the state got... the math is there.... they just chose not to do it
@@postcardsfromprotest or hid the guns in a specific location in the woods by back road? But… their dogs hearing is way more sensitive than humans so they’d be barking a lot, right?
I don't believe the person was 5 foot 2 inches. I Hunt... If a tall person puts the butt of a Gun down and raise it up a little will have the same out come.
Also ALEC could been kneeling down behind a quad or on the quad as it was determined it was same tire print of that POLARIS on Maggie calf. Not reasonable at all to say the shooter was 5'2 ! Hey, can I borrow couple guns and bullets.
You can not believe the way this prosecution puts things. They twist everything to make the defense look defenseless, Alec and Buster both had put up a reward to help find killers.
@@EricaBaker2023 a time limited reward that they knew would not be paid out because they both knew exactly who did the shooting. Who puts such a short timescale on a reward ?
I wonder why the prosecution didn't have an expert to explain? Hmmm I'll tell you why ,the numbers weren't in their favor. So if course the defense should have an expert to this. It only helps the defense. Even though there is a couple of things that hurt the defense as well 👍I don't blame the defense for showing the jury. 👍
Since that is a total mischaracterization of reality please don't feel offended by a few sarcastic remarks: Is horseback still the most popular form of transportation? What year is it anyway? The COMPANY Mr. Suttun works for charges $350 hr and Mr Suttun said he has 40 payable hours.
@@Snail.1 It is not because the numbers were in the defense's favor. If the prosecution needs an expert they would have one. There are often 2 opposing sides in trials. The defense must pay big money for this guy. Try researching this witness he's likely testified in numerous trials.
This guy was a joke. I do guns. A lot. I do ballistics gel testing on ammo. Bullets almost always change direction in gel that mimics the body. He didn’t take that into account, at all. Instead he came up with a bizarre theory that they were killed by a cub scout pack.
Were those bullets that exited the body? I don't recall them saying so. If they were missed shots that didn't enter the body, could the shooter have been sitting in a golf cart/ATV or bending over the hood?
I just looked at Census data from 2007-2008 and the percentage of males 5'2" were not even in the data. It said the amount was too small to be significant. Cub Scouts...Lol
His explainations were so ridiculous. Almost all his trajectory are straight line. This is definitely not his field of expertise. He is a mechanical engineer dealing with hard objects in movements i.e, automobiles. He tried to justy it by saying he seen deer being shots from a distance. But he has not dealt with scenes involving shooting of people. It's all supposition-not scientific fact.
Alex's Murdaugh had many different guns so it would not surprise me he used different gun's to make it look like there was 2 shooter's. But I believe he just switched guns to make it look like 2 shooter's. So not buying that. Paul was killed 1st then Maggie was chased down.
Alex was there at the Moselle kennels, in spite of the fact he lied and said he wasn't. He had over an 1 1/4 hr to pull it off. He had the guns in the kennels loaded & change of clothes ready. He probably wore a disposable suit to protect him from tissue & blood. Then he washed off the using the kennel hose. Disposed guns & clothes wrapped in a tarp at Almeda. Hid guns there. Brought the tarp into the Almeda house & hid it in the closet. Drove back to Moselle 80 mph & called 911. He went back up to the house & grabbed a shotgun & returned to the crime scene. When the police arrived, he had the gun, as an explanation for GSR on his hands. He will get away with this because of that town. A family member went to Almeda & got rid of the guns & clothing. If you check the timeline, this is all possible & well planned.
And how did he control the blood and tissue splatter? It doesn’t matter how much you cover up yourself blood, tissue & brain will land somewhere on your body!
The shotgun was located in Paul’s vehicle, along with an HDD rifle that “mysteriously” made its way back up to the main house after the murders (along with Paul’s truck being driven back up there) the Benelli was his but the black 300 blackout was Buster’s, Paul was just using it during turkey hunting season in Apri-May because he lost his camo one. Guessing that is the only one AM may have had access to without accessing Paul’s car. They regularly loaded shotguns with alternating buck and bird shots, I don’t think there’s any way to know whether (those empty bullet boxes SLED found in the trash) Paul had loaded the guns at some point himself or if AM did so that night after getting them out of Paul’s car. He wore the raincoat to cover himself during the shootings, washed himself off with the hose in the kennel, wrapped the blackout in the raincoat and put it in the suburban to take to Almeda where he hid it near the trees, then came back to retrieve it and dispose of it properly over the next few days. He wouldn’t have had to speed 80mph the whole way to Almeda, he just sped up significantly after he slowed to throw Maggie’s phone out of the window. I don’t think he will get away with the murders. Despite all that the prosecution has been unable to bring in as evidence of guilt, they’ve still managed to put together a solid case. The Snapchat video, the bloody smear of the shirt, the 20 seconds between arriving at the scene and calling 911, the blood on the steering wheel, too many things prove he lied when he would have no reason to if he was innocent. At best it might be a mistrial, but the state would just immediately attempt a new trial.
Don't forget Paul Snapchat video just before they were killed. Alex's Murdaugh voice was heard in Snapchat video so he was definitely there. He left 9.10 pm and he slowed down where the phone was found. So it's difficult not to think it was Alex's Murdaugh all along who did this. It's heartbreaking
Let's talk timeline. Paul's phone locks at 849, Alex leaves w his truck at 906, from the house 1/3 of a mile away. In 15 min he would need to get back to the house 1/3 of a mile, ditch 2 guns, clean up and ditch clothing. All in 15 min. Just bc Paul's phone locks at 849 doesn't mean that is when he was killed which would also shorten the 15 min to ?????. That murder was BRUTAL and the shooter would have blood and bodily matter...15 min. Please tell me HOW??? The state has NOT proved the case AT ALL! why the rush to charge without evidence. Alex will already spend the rest of his life in prison for his financial crimes.
@@jennifervangorder2474 is the VanGorder family related to the Murtaugh family ???? Any person with common sense, eyes and ears knows the evidence that has been provided and that it all points to Alex and no one else.
Yes, lets go over the timeline: Alex had access to ATV, per his testimony, Maggie was not a walker. She also had the impression of ATV wheel tread on her leg. he can get to his truck in a minute. Takes a minute or two to murder his family. He changed clothes at the truck & ditched the murder outfit he wore in the video earlier that day, it is missing.
Absolutely RIDICULOUS to conjecture that a 5'2" - 5'3" person did the shooting! Why wasn't it suggested that the shooter was kneeling? Or doubled over to avoid being recognized??? The Prosecution has missed some valid, decisive points....
I think it was a revenge killing for Mallorys death. I think they went to kill Paul bc they knew his dad could get him off the hook and it pissed them off more
It’s not funny, yet reading “two little short people” as killers made me chuckle ~ I’m right between that height! But really, you’re right~ THAT whole theory is so ridiculous! We ALL already know Alec was THERE ~ 3-mins before, or even in Alec’s testimonies leaving at 9:06+/- that’s still only like 10-12 mins for two little short people to do this much harm AND get away when Alec was just 1/3 mile away! And didn’t take that little slight left turn to check on his wife and son who didn’t respond??! Makes no sense!
There could be 10 killers but one who was there just minutes before it all went down lied about being there and there was no evidence of any stranger who was never there before. Furthermore, the family guns were used. I highly doubt cartel or another killer would choose the family shotguns to kill these folks. They didn't seem to be taken by surprise by no means. It's hard to beat the evidence even if you tried. Videos and cell phone/car data got this right. Paul spoke from the grave.
ALSO, some killer took Maggie's phone thru ut down long driveway, and nor Paul's??? Paul was gonna cost Alex millions, Maggie wS probably gonna divorce and taje half, alex had to get rid of the both of them, you cannot sue a dead person-paul, Maggie being dead, alex would get all the properties and assets. --- BAM
How do we know those holes in the quail pen and dog house weren't there before the murders? How do we know the casings weren't there before since they said they were all over the property.
This guy acts like 1. You can't move shell casings. 2. You have any idea how the weapon ejects casings without the gun. 3. The bullets that hit the the pin def went thru maggie. 4. You can't shoot a gun in any position but standing. I hope at lest one juror sees all this and can explain it to everyone.
The guy said he's a 'forensics engineer ' but has experience in materials, mechanical engineering only. The fact he worked with an ex-NASA that's very mechanical to do with automobiles and moving objects. Has a Masters in Mechanical engineering, structural, product which is capable of being 'explained and understood'. So basically he's here to explain what might have happened . That doesn't even cover 'crime scene, pathology, ballistics forensics but the defense is asking him like he an expert in all engineering fields. The prosecutor did a good job in exposing the fact that the guy has no qualifications that warrant his testimony on crime scene reconstruction. It's all supposition and probability-not fact.
He is a forensics engineer.... Its math and engineering.... the crime scene was processed by similar individuals using math science and engineering sorry those are facts... I worked in civil engineering and used similar Cad tools. I am sure that his opinion was based in fact. I have done accident reconstructions and told investigators where to look for clues or parts and because of math predictions. His conclusions are just that conclusions based on the information supplied. SLED and the prosecution has not really done a good job here... The lawyer during cross examination was playing lawyer tricks not blowing holes in his theory if the Jury noticed that it maybe all but over for the prosecution. The prosecution has the burden and well i am not sure how i would vote but i am sure yesterday was a good defense day! PS Alex Murdaugh is a bad guy but not sure if he is a Murderer... I hope the prosecution can redeem itself. because if he is not the murderer then someone got away. I think he is probably guilty but yesterday was bad for the prosecution!
This is the most intelligent explanation of this expert witness’s purpose here.I agree with everything you said,hopefully the jury will absorb it well and not be derailed by the prosecution’s antagonistic,demeaning cross examination of this witness.
Gotta love the "I dont need to test, i dont need expert training, I can use my common sense, it's like 9-1=8 it's just basic math" Thats almost literally what he said. How was he not immediately kicked off the stand lol what a farce that was
If there were two strangers on the property (who supposedly turned up less than four minutes before the murders) we would have heard the dogs in Paul’s video featuring Alex, going beserk? Bubba would have dropped the chicken and gone for the 5 ft 2 assassin? According to Paul’s video timing, minutes wouldn’t have been enough time for Alex to vacate the property completely. Anyone who hunts animals for pleasure has no heart imo, and we’ve already seen the family get away with incidents in which threats to them in some way lost their lives. The Murdaugh’s and their twisted crew need to be held accountable.
Good point. The dogs WOULD HAVE SENSED/SMELLED/HEARD the “unknown killer” lurking nearby for that 3 1/2 minute window and dogs WOULD have been going crazy!
@@atee6331 Exactly! Dead on! I’ve been watching this trial via UA-cam, I’ve only read 2 comments relating to the dogs. Yours is the 2nd one. Amazed no one has yet mentioned the dogs 🐕 detecting any scent and/or unusual sounds coming from their surroundings would be key.
@@caroll6541 thanks! But it really was Gemma Boyd who mentioned the dogs and I was adding my thoughts to “he” spot-on points🙂. That’s what I replied to her ~ that she made a very good point since the murders happened in such a short window after all 3 were heard on the video at the kennels. Take care!
ehhhh dogs can be incredibly sensitive and detect that stuff and incredibly dumb at times too... if they are in a kennel to them its almost like their whole senses are removed cause they can see outside or smell and little noises sound big cause echo... a guy could be chilling off in thye bushes and those dogs may have never known... why do they even have to be near the kennels they have an AR15
@@HIGH_noon Bubba was out of his kennel and killing a chicken approx. 4 minutes before the murders; enough time for Bubba to be returned to the kennel by whoever was at the scene (and I doubt he would have let a stranger handle him when he was already riled up). According to the forensic pathologist the shooter was about 3 ft away from both victims before they were executed, so he / they had to have been in the kennels area. All of the dogs were locked up to protect them / so that they didn’t attack. Imo, the dogs knew the shooter: either Alex or one of his cronies who he got to do his dirty work. From the shocking revelations about the family I keep learning, Alex is definitely at the very least involved.
He did his best to make it look like there were two killers by using 2 different guns but he told on himself by not pretending to be afraid that there was still a shooter on the loose the weeks following the murders. He's the one who killed his family. I have no doubt about that.
agree but he never stayed there after the murders stayed with other family members and carried a gun. He had something to do with but they need to investigate his drug ties unless he wanted maggs dead and had to make it look like paul from the boat accident that killed Mallory Beach. he truthfully remorse over Paul Paul but can’t remember the last thing he would have ever said to his murdered wife is beyond belief. its obvious to get out of financial debt or pay drug dealers and suicidal depression not hatred of his family
BUSTER SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE THE STAND SINCE HE WAS PRESENT IN THE COURT, WAS ABLE TO LISTEN TO ALL THE WITNESSES. THIS IS A DOUBLE-MURDER CASE INVOLVING A VERY INFLUENTIAL FAMILY IN THEIR STATE.
I am in Australia, and I asked this question last week. In Australia, anyone who testifies is held in another room until called and they never hear what any other witness has said. This is the same in every English speaking country in the world except you know where so it seems.
"Tempting", as he points the gun at the prosecution? In a trial where his client may have shot his wife and son? What an idiot! You can bet the jurors talked about that, and it doesn't bode well for his client.
This defense attorney drives me crazy with his “duh, I don’t understand anything , show me “ pretense, when it’s quite clear shooter was on the golf cart…. GOD LEFT THAT CLUE ON MAGGIE’S LEG
Why else would Alex lie and say he never went down to see his wife and son before he left to go see his mother?????Don’t have to be an expert to know why
A taller killer could be sitting in a side-by-side ATV cart which would make the trajectory lower and also low one to have two guns at one time. AM’s not off the hook!
So how about this for a scenario. The shooter shoots Paul in the chest the first time and Paul does not go down but instead steps forward towards the shooter. The shooter intern steps backwards and then falling over the threshold of the feed room and takes second shot from a ground position. This would be the Fatal shot that shot Paul in the head. Paul's brains were found at his feet. That means he was still standing before obviously falling to the ground
The state has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt that Alex committed the murders. The state cannot leave any doubt that he was the shooter. The state has not done that.
Beyond a reasonable doubt leaves plenty of room for doubt. The doubt must be unreasonable, however, which is exactly the type of doubt this “expert” witness is offering up. His claim is unreasonable in light of the indisputable facts and evidence in this case.
Couldn't these trajectories be explained by Alex shooting from a crouched position, or shooting while raising the rifle? Just because he's 6'4" doesn't mean the rifle was shouldered when fired. He could have been hip-firing, for example. Or perhaps after dropping the shotgun, he quickly stooped to pick up the .300 rifle, firing while either raising it or standing back up.
They could also be explained by passing through a human body, human bodies ALWAYS change the trajectory of a bullet, even if just slightly. This dude's the worst engineer ever
@@ghostwalk2446 I would agree, but idk if .300 passes that cleanly through a body, even up close. But that is a question I would want answered if I were on the jury
@SittingInDetroit The inly thing there is that the shell casings are all to the left of the cart as it's parked, but the .300 AR15 would eject those casings to the right, unless it was a left-handed upper receiver, which is rare. The State was asking about how common left-handed AR15s are so it seems like they had considered that.
It should be against the law for them to have court in the same state known corruption is happening with favoritism of the murdaugh family and them being dynasty family of Lawyers. They should have sent neutral parties to handle this case. The way the attorneys are constantly shuffling papers and stuff is extremely unsecure if they were to shuffle the other attorneys paperwork with theirs smh I'm seeing so much unprofessionalism from this court and is the judge even awake lol I've never heard a judge so quiet with all the tomfoolery happening here. Just my opinion though.
Forensic engineering is the investigation of structural failures and damage. It has nothing to do with crime scene reconstruction and analysis, which is very specialized training and education. There seems to be a question of what crime scene reconstruction and analysis this expert has. However, since he's been qualified in court as a shooting incidence reconstruction, he's an expert. However, unless he's conducted actual experiments involving tossing smartphones from moving vehicles and studying their motion after they hit the ground consisting of various surfaces, he's speculating regarding how far the smartphone travels before stopping.
To be quite honest, the whole family's corrupt. The victims are his clients. The people who he exploited. His family reaped all those rewards. All of them.
IN MY VIEW If you watch Dr. Kenny Kensey beginning at the time Mike Sutton came on the scene he acted like a spoiled child because someone else (Mike Sutton) is getting attention as a forensic expert. He acted like HE is the ONLY ONE important in this field. Each of two men are professionals in their forensic field. Mike Sutton was secure, professional and confident. Dr. Kenny Kensey was until Sutton came.
Yes he called and asked Maggie to come back to see his Dad and they never went? And he was seen in Paul's Snapchat jist minutes before they were shot. Just sketchy. And after the guessed timing of when they were shot he happens to leave? There are just so many sketchy things.
He hold a plastic or paper bag around the ejection port to catch the empty shell casings. Then he walked closer and planted them to throw the investigation off. He know police forensic techniques.
What’s important here is no one is denying Alex killed his wife and son but want to add another person was involved too. Well… that doesn’t fly based upon geo fence, cell phone data and tracking.
Physics are a part of an investigation, not the only part if an investigation. I'm not buying into anything that was testified today. It's a weak defense so far, IMO.
A 300 Blackout round doesn't have an offensive recoil so it's not supposed to leave a bruise on your shoulder BUT... a lot of ppl in the reviews have said theirs did for one reason or another. Imo that's why he aimed from the hip to prevent leaving a possible bruise. This was so premeditated I wouldn't be suprised if he'd been practicing shooting every which way to see the outcome. Those bullets are massive. I cannot imagine being hit with one of those. I think Paul lunged forward to try & grab that gun from his father. This monster deserves to forgo the death penalty & go straight to hell where he belongs.
There is a serious flaw in this forensic engineer's judgement since he fails to consider that the shooter could have been kneeling on one knee. He only states a standing or prostrate position.
He learned his behaviors from his narcissistic father. They are cold, unfeeling and have no empathy! Paul was like this when he wrecked the boat in videos. Alex was like this at the murder scene, he spoke of Paul’s boat wreck more than the murder of his family! Buster learned it well!
Agree. The two of them on jailhouse recording talking about the $60,000.00 to pay off his re-entry into law school. AM just laughing about the conversations being recorded. Paul was laughing at the boat scene and Mallory's boyfriend went off on him. It was so horrible to hear her boyfriend wailing in pain and yelling at Paul to stopping laughing.
And let's not forget about the former housekeeper who died from "blunt force trauma" to the head while cleaning Murdaugh's home, or the friend of Paul and Buster who was found dead on the side of the road also with blunt force head trauma. Quite the body count
Wow!!! Apparently you hate this family. Are you jealous they are wealthy? Do not hate people because they are well off. Instead hate sin, and hating others is a sin.
@roseannahall265 dont forget they are being taught to kill animals from a very young age. Getting them guns for christmas! When Buster talked about the guns in the house ("lots") I thought is that an army camp? Seeing animals blessed, running for their life and all that blood, must do something to the brain of a child!
I feel like it’s important to remember that just because someone is a liar that doesn’t make them a murderer. Is it shady, absolutely. Is it guaranteed that he kill them folks, no. Let the process take its course
Cops tainted the scene and they all know that! They waited to actually search for anything else! Seems like they had it in their heads to say A. M. Did the killings because they totally LOST the REAL EVIDENCE! And it was raining when the officer was not long on the scene! Which should have made them move alot faster before the evidence is degraded due to the rain!
I think its not the dishonesty itself but the motive of money. Like those childten about to turn 18. As happened, one theft revealed would release all of the other thefts from hiding.
Because he'd been "thinking about it for a long time." The story he'd made up in his mind and the story he was sticking with, that is. Because only the killer would know that the killer "had been thinking about it for a long time." That's a great point that you made though. Looks like AM had a fantastic story all ready to go before he could have possibly found out that two guns had been used. No way he could have just taken a quick look at that scene and immediately thought that!
He only increased his speed for a minute because he just threw Maggie's phone out and he high-tailed his ass away from the immediate area/crime scene and then drove normal /regular speed the rest of the way.
"Forensic engineer" sounds like a made-up title for a guy who decides to market himself as a professional witness. Why is he going into the backgrounds of the people he "worked with??" Their credentials don't boost his own. And saying you "work with" someone can mean you were a file clerk in the office (to make the point). He's giving a lot of FLUFF to make his resume sound more substantial. He "deals with" ballistics - he's "worked on cases'" he's "worked with the police," these are really such vague assertions as to be meaningless. The attorney started his question with "were you qualified...in a court..." And then morphs into "did you testify?" I'm surprised the prosecution team hasn't put up more resistance to him. Tell me what you are degreed or certified in to qualify as an expert in such matters.... (although I have to admit he seems to understand the science)
There is no evidence of motive for brutally murdering a wife that he loved and was devoted to and a son that he loved as well. I don't care how rotten he is, he shouldn't go to jail for a murder that he didn't commit. People jumping to conclusions are the reasons why innocent people go to jail.
There is less that 10 mins from when he was there in the Snapchat video with bubba and when they were killed based on phone records. He was about to be exposed for stealing we don’t know how many millions. Getting rid of Paul eliminated the need for anyone looking in his finances for the court case THAT WEEK, and also Maggie investigating anything since she had saw a divorce lawyer.
Alex squatted into the shooting position 4 the shot 2 b upwards! He was standing 4 the shot n the dog house from the shoulder He moves quickly as he does when hunting moving targets!!!!!!!!! Case closed!!!!!!
So why were there bullet holes in the cage and dog house? Seems like hair trigger like someone doesn't necessarily know how to properly shoot a rifle? When Alex was probably well trained? Plus the height of the shooter (s) ? The sandle marks of footprints and boot foot prints , when Alex was wearing tennis shoes? Everyone is quick to judge him maybe his son did have people wanting to get back at him , possibly a friend or family of the guy who got shot on the road while changing a tire? Or the family or friends of the girl who got killed in the boat accident? It just seems lazy to me that they are more focused on framing or blaming Alex when certain things and questions just aren't being addressed, the angle of the bullet wounds to the victims to me indicates also the shooter (s) were terrible shots. ... Innocent people have been put away for years for crimes they didn't commit because the prosecutors I feel are lazy and kinda assholes they're interested in finding lies not facts ... Think about it ... I mean really and to kill Maggie she must have witnessed the shooter (s) and we all know what happens to witnesses that see shootings . Dead man tell no tales
Of course it’s plausible that there may have been two killers but with all the overwhelming evidence that theory is disproven, so Alex was the only one.
So he left around noon for his office, he had more then enough time to place weapons close by and everything ready to go. What is sad about this is if he gets away with this is there a deal they are working on to wiggle out of the money stealing?
I still say he didn't do it.I believe somebody from the boating accident seeked revenge on Paul because of the girl dying in the boating accident.I believe they shot Paul and his mother had to be shot because she was a witness.
They are "experts" at confusing a jury. And they get paid about $10,000an hour for their preparation and testimony! The guy yesterday said he's getting $60,000 for his testimony.
This expert is putting doubt that Alex was the shooter. According to his trigonometry expertise, the shooter of Maggie was most likely 5ft 2 to 5Ft 4. Most unlikely 6ft 4 , the height of Alex. As far as the sound testing that is only valid if Alex was indeed in the main house during the shooting..
why didn't this "expert" throw a cellphone out of a car travelling 42 mph to test the prosecution theory? Instead spoke about bricks or rocks. Not credible to me. All razzle dazzle to confuse the jury.
1:10:02 ... is this funny during a double homicide case? The lead defense attorney pointing a gun at the prosecution table and saying "tempting" Holy hell.. how was he not reprimanded for that?
The defense is going to have tell a different story.. but Why didn't he use a 6'4" example of the guy instead of 5'2"?? and was the ground level in that area?
@@sugarsmacks1264 so your theory is he shot from the hip to hit paul, waited for paul to stumble out the door and shoot him again while squating on the ground, then run up point blank to maggie dropping to one knee and shoot her?
Clearly the engineer presented 3 hard facts there prosecutor didn't want in evidence, as evidenced by their amount of blistering. The lawyer who cross examined the expert had a major temper tantrum that was distracting (exactly what he wanted to do) but did not actually discredit the expert witness. I'm left wondering if Alex hired someone to shot them, though there's still no clear motive.
The defense attorney speaks respectful to the witness supporting his case. And rude and big bully-Narc to other witnesses. Disgusting tactics, people laugh while he’s having fun w/the gun. Beyond me…
It could also be someone disgruntled from the boat crash.A girl died that day. Someone related to the girl went and shot Paul, and the mother was there. She got shot, too.
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ You're just the type of person Alex was creating this for. Triny I hope one month later you have a different opinion then this one.
Theres a podcast explaining and demostrating, after the first shot, the victim was able to take a few steps forward, causing the gunman to take a few steps backward & must have fallen back, thus, the second shot was made from a lower angle/source.
So this expert just stated that the crime scene was performed by sled and HE USED THOSE PICTURES- so why did harpoon try to emphasize that SLED contaminated the crime scene? I want to be on a jury so bad
Appropriately, he makes sure to put a lot of "maybes" in his testimony, because expert testimony and opinion of all different kinds in court cases can be so full of holes like Swiss cheese. getting it to apply specifically -in many cases, is something most of them don't even try to attempt. it simply adds to the wash. the jury can fold it in, or hang it out to dry. ❓✉ for 🎉🥂 or ⛓🔐
I’m so disgusted by this whole trial. I pray for the souls of maggie and Paul and if they get justice. Also, as an animal lover, the way they treated their animals and hunted is disgusting and disgraceful, but God will get them.
Dawn, I feel exactly the same. The poor dogs. Poor Maggie and Paul . Alex had this done ,I think and that's where the money went to. Putting up a reward was just to make it look like he was trying to find the killers when he knew full well who "they" were. If you really were innocent and Really wanted who ever found try 500,000 or More. He did it with help or had it done by one person
FINALLY! After reading so many comments here in the last few weeks, someone finally brings up the treatment and condition of the dogs! Can’t imagine them there all by themselves during a thunder ⛈️ and lightning ⚡️ storm! wtf
Defense lawyer seems a little confused in his thought process. Trial lawyers call physicians frequently to hire to testify on their client’s behalf. The lawyers always try to have the doctors “adjust” their testimony to fit the case. Trial lawyers even hold conferences to educate doctors about how to give expert opinions at trials. Some very mediocre doctors do trial work to supplement their incomes.
Something is really fishy with both attorneys. They stammer and stutter and run around with paperwork, repeat questions already answered, etc. Gosh, I hope this trial doesn’t end like OJ’s. This specialist gives way to much in describing his specialty. A lot of this goes right over the jury’s heads! Their brains can’t comprehend all that he’s describing. Glad I’m not on the jury!
Yes they do, one I know lost his license and paid several millions . The other was paid $250,000 to adjust his findings. This person was the best in his field. Everyone looked up to him. Today he is practicing far from the bright lights. What a waste!!!
Cell phone pits alex at the murder scene, alex has relentlessly try to persuade police that he was not at the scene but cell data dont lie. So now why are saying he couldnt have been crouching to surprise hos victims right before he committed his crime?
You pay a guy 18,000$ and he will come up with whatever you want him to.
Yup! He is a paid LIAR.
@@truthseeker1234 not necessarily a liar but he can make the data look very favorable to your situation. The state's lawyer did a terrible job on his cross examination of this witness.
Remember the "psychologist" Amber Herd hired? She never talked to Johnny Depp but she diagnosed him. They'll $ay anything for moolah!
These guys are professional testifies. Coming to court to confuse the jury. They make their living this way.
Wonder where he got the money from because of all the laundering he did?
Alex was a hunter. Just because he’s taller than 5’2” doesn’t mean he can’t crouch down. 🤑🤑🤑
He was duck walking.
When he fired the shot that killed Paul he was in a crouching position and that took off. Most of his skull and his brains were down by his feet. Alec is 6.4...and in a crouched position he would measure somewhere around five foot two to five foot to five foot four. He would have to crouch to shoot Maggie in the head because I believe she was on her hands and knees with her head down unless he shot her in the back of the head. Really how hard would it be to find a five foot two man..
Unless it was a woman. I could not breathe when he said it could not be Alex. I don't believe this for a moment. Am I missing something here?
@@sjjewel1206 yeah you missing everything. 😂 Alex was the shooter yet you have no evidence he is the shooter. Thank god you ppl are not a jury.
Exactly , he was kneeling ... This expert lol
@@sjjewel1206 kneeling is a popular shooting position.
No one has mentioned that Alex could have been sitting in a golf cart when he shot them. Remember Maggie had a tire mark on her leg. This would account for the lower shooting angle as well. it was a 3 seater golf cart with rear flip seat charger) the top of the steering wheel is 49” making the seat 36” off the ground. Add Alex’s heights on the seat which makes him roughly 5’2”-5’4” firearm height. This is probably what happened ......with the addition of him driving up to the room in the cart then washing himself and the cart down and driving back to the house.....Seems more feasible. ua-cam.com/video/8aYfUUMiyKg/v-deo.html
explains the tire tracks all over the place as well.
Good observation
Thank you! I've been screaming that at my screen.
@@phecube 🤣🤣
yep golf cart or 4 wheeler. or he could've kneeled. one thing we do know is he's a professional liar and a successful one too
Everyone keeps saying the 2 guns make them think it wasn't him. We're talking about a deceitful (20 years) defense attorney. He used TWO GUNS to make it look like two shooters and to take the focus off of himself. What he didn't anticipate was Paul's very own snap chat video, Onstar, phone records, etc, that put him at the crime scene. He's a murderer. Guilty. If I'm wrong, why would the "real " evidence point to him and him only. My son was murdered and I've never heard of anyone putting up a reward for just a specific period of time.... that's ludicrous. This witness is bought and paid for by the defense, and he even says, "It's my opinion "... and you know what we all say about opinions. I'm surprised they even let this guy even testify. Trying to imply it was the cartel because most of them are between 5'2 and 5'5. I just hope the jury sees thru this bs defense play.
I found this fellow very credible.
The prosecution cross was completely unable to budge him.
I don’t believe he used 2 guns intentionally. The second shot at Paul was fired while holding the shotgun by his thigh. He was shocked the first shot didn’t drop him instantly, and he lowered the gun and backed up, firing with his right hand by his side. The recoil from the shotgun caused him to drop it. He’s backing up and gets to the side by side where there’s the. .300, that he grabs to shoot Maggie.
Ah yes, because the prosecution is completely innocent 😂
@@bfg1836 Perhaps two guns were planned to be used by AM, remember he is a hunter, the shotgun was used for the more formidable victim at close range in the event there is a struggle. Then knowing his wife may run after he kills his son, he uses the rifle for a longer distant kill shot if necessary.
The two considerations are the fact there were two guns and the kind of guns they were. Any shooter working for a cartel would have used a specialized weapon that would have facilitated a smooth execution of the crime. BtwAll expert witnesses use the phrase “In my opinion”
What if the shooter is in a kneeling position. A common shooting position.
Or croughing/going down to pick up the rifle and seeing paul is still alive and standing up, panick shots the second shot from that position, turning around while picking up the rifle to shoot maggie, and as he was raising the gun shot her in the leg, then side and and upper body, walked around and shot her in the head...something like that anyway
Exactly...or sitting on the ATV or lying on his stomach. Surely folks on jury has seen war movies. This guy mostly reconstructs accident scenes. The prosecution will drive this home during cross.
@@juliecrane9647 Oh the State tore this witness apart! He just looked deflated!
@@julesservantofjesus972 I fell asleep B4 their cross...I'm gonna watch now. Thanks
Exactly!!!!
Pathetic. Even if you want to believe this theory rest assured that one was caught. Only Alex knows if there is another killer and a murderer can't be trusted.
The State just tore apart this witness! Great job!!
@@julesservantofjesus972 no they didn't lol..... Math doesn't lie or change.... this guy is right. No matter how butt hurt the state got... the math is there.... they just chose not to do it
@@mattjones8254 they ripped apart his credentials. He is a highly paid “expert” on very little.
@@mattjones8254totally agree with you!
Can’t argue against physics and mathematics trig angles!
Two killers ??? Did these two "real killers" get the memo that said...Maggie and Paul will be at Moselle tonight!!
They get the memo not to bring guns to and Bullets as they will be provided.
In todays world, it could happen
Absolutely great points in all regards!
Yes, it was advertised to a hired hitman(Alex’s imaginary friend from hell).😂
@@postcardsfromprotest or hid the guns in a specific location in the woods by back road? But… their dogs hearing is way more sensitive than humans so they’d be barking a lot, right?
I don't believe the person was 5 foot 2 inches. I Hunt... If a tall person puts the butt of a Gun down and raise it up a little will have the same out come.
Also ALEC could been kneeling down behind a quad or on the quad as it was determined it was same tire print of that POLARIS on Maggie calf. Not reasonable at all to say the shooter was 5'2 ! Hey, can I borrow couple guns and bullets.
@@amorl4520 Yep Right on.
If there were actual killers then why wasn't Alex afraid for his life & Busters life? Why didn't he ever look for the killers?
Because all he cared about was clearing his sons name. That way he would not have to pay out money
he did he went to get a gun he was afraid
You can not believe the way this prosecution puts things. They twist everything to make the defense look defenseless, Alec and Buster both had put up a reward to help find killers.
@@EricaBaker2023 a time limited reward that they knew would not be paid out because they both knew exactly who did the shooting. Who puts such a short timescale on a reward ?
@@ksmithkatcarvinghe already had one in the vehicle. He went to the house the shower and dispose of evidence
This is a great example of how witnesses will testify to anything if paid enough cash.
stoopid comment. You must be a true blonde
I wonder why the prosecution didn't have an expert to explain? Hmmm I'll tell you why ,the numbers weren't in their favor. So if course the defense should have an expert to this. It only helps the defense. Even though there is a couple of things that hurt the defense as well 👍I don't blame the defense for showing the jury. 👍
Since that is a total mischaracterization of reality please don't feel offended by a few sarcastic remarks:
Is horseback still the most popular form of transportation?
What year is it anyway?
The COMPANY Mr. Suttun works for charges $350 hr and Mr Suttun said he has 40 payable hours.
@@viewerpet12 So, you're still being rude? It's quite boring, so why not try being kind for 24 hours? You may like it.
@@Snail.1 It is not because the numbers were in the defense's favor. If the prosecution needs an expert they would have one. There are often 2 opposing sides in trials. The defense must pay big money for this guy. Try researching this witness he's likely testified in numerous trials.
This guy was a joke. I do guns. A lot. I do ballistics gel testing on ammo. Bullets almost always change direction in gel that mimics the body. He didn’t take that into account, at all. Instead he came up with a bizarre theory that they were killed by a cub scout pack.
Were those bullets that exited the body? I don't recall them saying so. If they were missed shots that didn't enter the body, could the shooter have been sitting in a golf cart/ATV or bending over the hood?
I just looked at Census data from 2007-2008 and the percentage of males 5'2" were not even in the data. It said the amount was too small to be significant. Cub Scouts...Lol
His explainations were so ridiculous. Almost all his trajectory are straight line. This is definitely not his field of expertise. He is a mechanical engineer dealing with hard objects in movements i.e, automobiles. He tried to justy it by saying he seen deer being shots from a distance. But he has not dealt with scenes involving shooting of people. It's all supposition-not scientific fact.
Yeah or a little person was the shooter. It's all BS
@@fozziebear888 Yeah like the State lawyer said, "The 12 yr old!" LOL 😆 He tore this witness apart. He looked totally undone!
Could be three, four. Maybe 5. Paid to guess. It was 1, our defendant, acting alone.
Alex's Murdaugh had many different guns so it would not surprise me he used different gun's to make it look like there was 2 shooter's. But I believe he just switched guns to make it look like 2 shooter's. So not buying that. Paul was killed 1st then Maggie was chased down.
Plus the shotgun held two shots and he just picked up another loaded gun since he used both rounds on Paul.
Alex was there at the Moselle kennels, in spite of the fact he lied and said he wasn't. He had over an 1 1/4 hr to pull it off. He had the guns in the kennels loaded & change of clothes ready. He probably wore a disposable suit to protect him from tissue & blood. Then he washed off the using the kennel hose. Disposed guns & clothes wrapped in a tarp at Almeda. Hid guns there. Brought the tarp into the Almeda house & hid it in the closet. Drove back to Moselle 80 mph & called 911. He went back up to the house & grabbed a shotgun & returned to the crime scene. When the police arrived, he had the gun, as an explanation for GSR on his hands. He will get away with this because of that town. A family member went to Almeda & got rid of the guns & clothing. If you check the timeline, this is all possible & well planned.
Yes & AM even said whoever did it planned it for awhile! He was talking about himself!
Are you an actual detective?
And how did he control the blood and tissue splatter? It doesn’t matter how much you cover up yourself blood, tissue & brain will land somewhere on your body!
The shotgun was located in Paul’s vehicle, along with an HDD rifle that “mysteriously” made its way back up to the main house after the murders (along with Paul’s truck being driven back up there) the Benelli was his but the black 300 blackout was Buster’s, Paul was just using it during turkey hunting season in Apri-May because he lost his camo one. Guessing that is the only one AM may have had access to without accessing Paul’s car. They regularly loaded shotguns with alternating buck and bird shots, I don’t think there’s any way to know whether (those empty bullet boxes SLED found in the trash) Paul had loaded the guns at some point himself or if AM did so that night after getting them out of Paul’s car. He wore the raincoat to cover himself during the shootings, washed himself off with the hose in the kennel, wrapped the blackout in the raincoat and put it in the suburban to take to Almeda where he hid it near the trees, then came back to retrieve it and dispose of it properly over the next few days. He wouldn’t have had to speed 80mph the whole way to Almeda, he just sped up significantly after he slowed to throw Maggie’s phone out of the window. I don’t think he will get away with the murders. Despite all that the prosecution has been unable to bring in as evidence of guilt, they’ve still managed to put together a solid case. The Snapchat video, the bloody smear of the shirt, the 20 seconds between arriving at the scene and calling 911, the blood on the steering wheel, too many things prove he lied when he would have no reason to if he was innocent. At best it might be a mistrial, but the state would just immediately attempt a new trial.
I think he put the guns in an Alameda shed where hecparked away from the house.
Don't forget Paul Snapchat video just before they were killed. Alex's Murdaugh voice was heard in Snapchat video so he was definitely there. He left 9.10 pm and he slowed down where the phone was found. So it's difficult not to think it was Alex's Murdaugh all along who did this. It's heartbreaking
Let's talk timeline. Paul's phone locks at 849, Alex leaves w his truck at 906, from the house 1/3 of a mile away. In 15 min he would need to get back to the house 1/3 of a mile, ditch 2 guns, clean up and ditch clothing. All in 15 min. Just bc Paul's phone locks at 849 doesn't mean that is when he was killed which would also shorten the 15 min to ?????. That murder was BRUTAL and the shooter would have blood and bodily matter...15 min. Please tell me HOW??? The state has NOT proved the case AT ALL! why the rush to charge without evidence. Alex will already spend the rest of his life in prison for his financial crimes.
Very heartbreaking. No matter how much people disliked the victims. Not okay.
@@jennifervangorder2474 is the VanGorder family related to the Murtaugh family ???? Any person with common sense, eyes and ears knows the evidence that has been provided and that it all points to Alex and no one else.
Yes, lets go over the timeline: Alex had access to ATV, per his testimony, Maggie was not a walker. She also had the impression of ATV wheel tread on her leg. he can get to his truck in a minute. Takes a minute or two to murder his family. He changed clothes at the truck & ditched the murder outfit he wore in the video earlier that day, it is missing.
I believe that's why he went looking for Paul's phone...
Absolutely RIDICULOUS to conjecture that a 5'2" - 5'3" person did the shooting! Why wasn't it suggested that the shooter was kneeling? Or doubled over to avoid being recognized??? The Prosecution has missed some valid, decisive points....
I think it was a revenge killing for Mallorys death. I think they went to kill Paul bc they knew his dad could get him off the hook and it pissed them off more
Trajectory evidence balls all the time
two killers.. right.... two little short people, but Alex was there and the facts say so-- so if he didn't kill them, he just watched?
It’s not funny, yet reading “two little short people” as killers made me chuckle ~ I’m right between that height! But really, you’re right~ THAT whole theory is so ridiculous! We ALL already know Alec was THERE ~ 3-mins before, or even in Alec’s testimonies leaving at 9:06+/- that’s still only like 10-12 mins for two little short people to do this much harm AND get away when Alec was just 1/3 mile away! And didn’t take that little slight left turn to check on his wife and son who didn’t respond??! Makes no sense!
...from his golf cart
So if you were there would you be able to stop something moving 2500 ft per second?
There could be 10 killers but one who was there just minutes before it all went down lied about being there and there was no evidence of any stranger who was never there before. Furthermore, the family guns were used. I highly doubt cartel or another killer would choose the family shotguns to kill these folks. They didn't seem to be taken by surprise by no means. It's hard to beat the evidence even if you tried. Videos and cell phone/car data got this right. Paul spoke from the grave.
There is no proof that family guns were used but guns are missing and that is bad enough... Alex is his own worst enemy!
Well stated!
Exactly, pretty much nothing?
ALSO, some killer took Maggie's phone thru ut down long driveway, and nor Paul's??? Paul was gonna cost Alex millions, Maggie wS probably gonna divorce and taje half, alex had to get rid of the both of them, you cannot sue a dead person-paul, Maggie being dead, alex would get all the properties and assets. --- BAM
knee shot, tripod meantioned?
How do we know those holes in the quail pen and dog house weren't there before the murders? How do we know the casings weren't there before since they said they were all over the property.
Forensic "Engineer" meaning his job is to partly engineer what he wants the outcome to be for his own gain. This is how its done
Good point or if they were shot there after just to throw everybody off
@@dawnsullivan6233 I honestly don’t know what you have to tell yourself to make that make sense. Critical thinking isn’t your thing?
Sometimes bullets deflect after passing through a body.
Almost always. Considering the shot came out in armpit how could it get to the tree?
So the defense is saying 2 twelve year olds that were 5’2” committed the murders.
remember childern cannot deal with PTSD its very distrubing to see it... always truth to tell than adults commit a crime
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This guy acts like 1. You can't move shell casings. 2. You have any idea how the weapon ejects casings without the gun. 3. The bullets that hit the the pin def went thru maggie. 4. You can't shoot a gun in any position but standing.
I hope at lest one juror sees all this and can explain it to everyone.
The guy said he's a 'forensics engineer ' but has experience in materials, mechanical engineering only. The fact he worked with an ex-NASA that's very mechanical to do with automobiles and moving objects. Has a Masters in Mechanical engineering, structural, product which is capable of being 'explained and understood'. So basically he's here to explain what might have happened . That doesn't even cover 'crime scene, pathology, ballistics forensics but the defense is asking him like he an expert in all engineering fields. The prosecutor did a good job in exposing the fact that the guy has no qualifications that warrant his testimony on crime scene reconstruction. It's all supposition and probability-not fact.
Exactly
He is a forensics engineer.... Its math and engineering.... the crime scene was processed by similar individuals using math science and engineering sorry those are facts... I worked in civil engineering and used similar Cad tools. I am sure that his opinion was based in fact. I have done accident reconstructions and told investigators where to look for clues or parts and because of math predictions. His conclusions are just that conclusions based on the information supplied. SLED and the prosecution has not really done a good job here... The lawyer during cross examination was playing lawyer tricks not blowing holes in his theory if the Jury noticed that it maybe all but over for the prosecution. The prosecution has the burden and well i am not sure how i would vote but i am sure yesterday was a good defense day! PS Alex Murdaugh is a bad guy but not sure if he is a Murderer... I hope the prosecution can redeem itself. because if he is not the murderer then someone got away. I think he is probably guilty but yesterday was bad for the prosecution!
This is the most intelligent explanation of this expert witness’s purpose here.I agree with everything you said,hopefully the jury will absorb it well and not be derailed by the prosecution’s antagonistic,demeaning cross examination of this witness.
2 fire arms were used?
Yes and forensics simply applies to the legality of that experience. Not necessarily crime scene.
This "expert" was a laughable joke. Truly unbelievable in every way. The more he talked the more ignorant he sounded.
He was utterly confusing.
Gotta love the "I dont need to test, i dont need expert training, I can use my common sense, it's like 9-1=8 it's just basic math"
Thats almost literally what he said. How was he not immediately kicked off the stand lol what a farce that was
Exactly
His company has a 1 star rating to boot.
No to anyone with a brain. I found him very credible and really shined the light on the lack of actual scientific investigation from the state.
What if a 6' 4" person kneeled down and shot?
It would line up perfectly
Or was sitting in the golf cart
If there were two strangers on the property (who supposedly turned up less than four minutes before the murders) we would have heard the dogs in Paul’s video featuring Alex, going beserk? Bubba would have dropped the chicken and gone for the 5 ft 2 assassin? According to Paul’s video timing, minutes wouldn’t have been enough time for Alex to vacate the property completely. Anyone who hunts animals for pleasure has no heart imo, and we’ve already seen the family get away with incidents in which threats to them in some way lost their lives. The Murdaugh’s and their twisted crew need to be held accountable.
Good point. The dogs WOULD HAVE SENSED/SMELLED/HEARD the “unknown killer” lurking nearby for that 3 1/2 minute window and dogs WOULD have been going crazy!
@@atee6331 Exactly! Dead on! I’ve been watching this trial via UA-cam, I’ve only read 2 comments relating to the dogs. Yours is the 2nd one. Amazed no one has yet mentioned the dogs 🐕 detecting any scent and/or unusual sounds coming from their surroundings would be key.
@@caroll6541 thanks! But it really was Gemma Boyd who mentioned the dogs and I was adding my thoughts to “he” spot-on points🙂. That’s what I replied to her ~ that she made a very good point since the murders happened in such a short window after all 3 were heard on the video at the kennels. Take care!
ehhhh dogs can be incredibly sensitive and detect that stuff and incredibly dumb at times too... if they are in a kennel to them its almost like their whole senses are removed cause they can see outside or smell and little noises sound big cause echo... a guy could be chilling off in thye bushes and those dogs may have never known... why do they even have to be near the kennels they have an AR15
@@HIGH_noon Bubba was out of his kennel and killing a chicken approx. 4 minutes before the murders; enough time for Bubba to be returned to the kennel by whoever was at the scene (and I doubt he would have let a stranger handle him when he was already riled up). According to the forensic pathologist the shooter was about 3 ft away from both victims before they were executed, so he / they had to have been in the kennels area. All of the dogs were locked up to protect them / so that they didn’t attack. Imo, the dogs knew the shooter: either Alex or one of his cronies who he got to do his dirty work. From the shocking revelations about the family I keep learning, Alex is definitely at the very least involved.
2 elves showed up with no guns,that's their theory? 😂
🤣😂🤣 💯 🎯
He did his best to make it look like there were two killers by using 2 different guns but he told on himself by not pretending to be afraid that there was still a shooter on the loose the weeks following the murders. He's the one who killed his family. I have no doubt about that.
If there were two person you could bet your last dollar Alex payed him or a family member worried about the family name.
agree but he never stayed there after the murders stayed with other family members and carried a gun. He had something to do with but they need to investigate his drug ties unless he wanted maggs dead and had to make it look like paul from the boat accident that killed Mallory Beach.
he truthfully remorse over Paul Paul but can’t remember the last thing he would have ever said to his murdered wife is beyond belief. its obvious to get out of financial debt or pay drug dealers and suicidal depression not hatred of his family
The prosecution fell asleep during his testimony and the judge started objecting .lol
really ? goooood!
I think they were focusing on their second cross examination which was excellent!
It's the same shooter just changing position and changing ammo to confuse the scene of the investigation.
Like U said MOVING FAST!!!!!!
This guy never really answers a question rather he just rambles about something else.
BUSTER SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE THE STAND SINCE HE WAS PRESENT IN THE COURT, WAS ABLE TO LISTEN TO ALL THE WITNESSES. THIS IS A DOUBLE-MURDER CASE INVOLVING A VERY INFLUENTIAL FAMILY IN THEIR STATE.
they all sat in on the case both sides & its his mother and brother lol
I am in Australia, and I asked this question last week. In Australia, anyone who testifies is held in another room until called and they never hear what any other witness has said. This is the same in every English speaking country in the world except you know where so it seems.
I was wondering the same thing
Buster has had no emotion at all during the whole trial!
@@judypylant1570 It's almost like he's traumatized. 🤔🤷🏻♂️
Your talking to a jury that will think this is a bunch of bull
Two killers…says Alex’s “expert” witness. Probably why he used two guns.
"Tempting", as he points the gun at the prosecution? In a trial where his client may have shot his wife and son?
What an idiot! You can bet the jurors talked about that, and it doesn't bode well for his client.
Yeah that one got my attention I'll tell you
This defense attorney drives me crazy with his “duh, I don’t understand anything , show me “ pretense, when it’s quite clear shooter was on the golf cart…. GOD LEFT THAT CLUE ON MAGGIE’S LEG
lol@God... such idiocy!
@@lorivanderhaden2851 God is real!
Prosecutors are not proving beyond a reasonable doubt though and that’s their job
Why else would Alex lie and say he never went down to see his wife and son before he left to go see his mother?????Don’t have to be an expert to know why
Especially since he convinced Maggie to come to Mozelle so they could visit his Dad in the hospital. -C
@@matthewkulp4913 Yes, there are just too many red flags. This is not innocent behavior in the least.
Those Karen’s don’t believe it
A taller killer could be sitting in a side-by-side ATV cart which would make the trajectory lower and also low one to have two guns at one time. AM’s not off the hook!
Or leaning across it, using it to stabilize his shots.
So how about this for a scenario. The shooter shoots Paul in the chest the first time and Paul does not go down but instead steps forward towards the shooter. The shooter intern steps backwards and then falling over the threshold of the feed room and takes second shot from a ground position. This would be the Fatal shot that shot Paul in the head. Paul's brains were found at his feet. That means he was still standing before obviously falling to the ground
This is what I think. He tripped/fell backwards over the doorway step.
I think.this is what the prosecutor theorized
“It was just so bad. I did it so bad.”
“ He was such a good boy, too.l
@@dianealarcon8304 That's what I hear him say. It is what he's saying.
@@dianealarcon8304 "I did HIM so bad"
That could mean he did him wrong and feels guilt for not being there.
The state has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt that Alex committed the murders. The state cannot leave any doubt that he was the shooter. The state has not done that.
Beyond a reasonable doubt leaves plenty of room for doubt. The doubt must be unreasonable, however, which is exactly the type of doubt this “expert” witness is offering up. His claim is unreasonable in light of the indisputable facts and evidence in this case.
Uhh…yes they did. Hence the very intelligent GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES verdict.
How can ANYONE OF AT LEAST NORMAL INTELLIGENCE have any doubt???
This family is the real life version of something like Breaking Bad or Ozark’s. The blows just keep coming one after another.
Couldn't these trajectories be explained by Alex shooting from a crouched position, or shooting while raising the rifle? Just because he's 6'4" doesn't mean the rifle was shouldered when fired. He could have been hip-firing, for example. Or perhaps after dropping the shotgun, he quickly stooped to pick up the .300 rifle, firing while either raising it or standing back up.
They could also be explained by passing through a human body, human bodies ALWAYS change the trajectory of a bullet, even if just slightly. This dude's the worst engineer ever
@@ghostwalk2446 I would agree, but idk if .300 passes that cleanly through a body, even up close. But that is a question I would want answered if I were on the jury
@@Ayoosi I haven't seen the cross examination from the prosecution yet but I sure hope they asked
How about sitting in a golf cart
@SittingInDetroit The inly thing there is that the shell casings are all to the left of the cart as it's parked, but the .300 AR15 would eject those casings to the right, unless it was a left-handed upper receiver, which is rare. The State was asking about how common left-handed AR15s are so it seems like they had considered that.
It should be against the law for them to have court in the same state known corruption is happening with favoritism of the murdaugh family and them being dynasty family of Lawyers. They should have sent neutral parties to handle this case. The way the attorneys are constantly shuffling papers and stuff is extremely unsecure if they were to shuffle the other attorneys paperwork with theirs smh I'm seeing so much unprofessionalism from this court and is the judge even awake lol I've never heard a judge so quiet with all the tomfoolery happening here. Just my opinion though.
Interesting comments 👍
I don t see any favoritisms. Murdaugh is being destroyed in court.
And you’ve tried how many cases?
You can't just change states. It ain't allowed.
I'm surprised the Prosecution didn't ask for a different/more neutral venue and jury.
Forensic engineering is the investigation of structural failures and damage. It has nothing to do with crime scene reconstruction and analysis, which is very specialized training and education. There seems to be a question of what crime scene reconstruction and analysis this expert has. However, since he's been qualified in court as a shooting incidence reconstruction, he's an expert. However, unless he's conducted actual experiments involving tossing smartphones from moving vehicles and studying their motion after they hit the ground consisting of various surfaces, he's speculating regarding how far the smartphone travels before stopping.
This guy isn’t even qualified to make statements. He’s giving a opinion with unrealistic facts
To be quite honest, the whole family's corrupt. The victims are his clients. The people who he exploited. His family reaped all those rewards. All of them.
IN MY VIEW
If you watch Dr. Kenny Kensey beginning at the time Mike Sutton came on the scene he acted like a spoiled child because someone else (Mike Sutton) is getting attention as a forensic expert. He acted like HE is the ONLY ONE important in this field. Each of two men are professionals in their forensic field. Mike Sutton was secure, professional and confident. Dr. Kenny Kensey was until Sutton came.
If Alex did not commit the crime of murder, he had to of had a part in it. Why, because he called her and son back to Moselle on pretense. My opinion.
Yes he called and asked Maggie to come back to see his Dad and they never went? And he was seen in Paul's Snapchat jist minutes before they were shot. Just sketchy. And after the guessed timing of when they were shot he happens to leave? There are just so many sketchy things.
He hold a plastic or paper bag around the ejection port to catch the empty shell casings. Then he walked closer and planted them to throw the investigation off. He know police forensic techniques.
What’s important here is no one is denying Alex killed his wife and son but want to add another person was involved too. Well… that doesn’t fly based upon geo fence, cell phone data and tracking.
That guy is a paid witness with no credibility or credentials to prove his theory
Am I the only one not impressed with this witness. Blah-Blah-Blah = word salad
Physics are a part of an investigation, not the only part if an investigation. I'm not buying into anything that was testified today. It's a weak defense so far, IMO.
A 300 Blackout round doesn't have an offensive recoil so it's not supposed to leave a bruise on your shoulder BUT... a lot of ppl in the reviews have said theirs did for one reason or another. Imo that's why he aimed from the hip to prevent leaving a possible bruise. This was so premeditated I wouldn't be suprised if he'd been practicing shooting every which way to see the outcome. Those bullets are massive. I cannot imagine being hit with one of those. I think Paul lunged forward to try & grab that gun from his father. This monster deserves to forgo the death penalty & go straight to hell where he belongs.
Is it possible that people not knowing how to properly handle this kind of gun could sustain bruising?
Standing for one victim, on bended knee for the other.
I like how he explains this as if bullet trajectory after passing through body parts has zero deflection
what about the shooter kneeling, or sitting on a golf cart..
Bullets do weird things when they hit anything
There is a serious flaw in this forensic engineer's judgement since he fails to consider that the shooter could have been kneeling on one knee. He only states a standing or prostrate position.
He learned his behaviors from his narcissistic father. They are cold, unfeeling and have no empathy! Paul was like this when he wrecked the boat in videos. Alex was like this at the murder scene, he spoke of Paul’s boat wreck more than the murder of his family! Buster learned it well!
Agree. The two of them on jailhouse recording talking about the $60,000.00 to pay off his re-entry into law school. AM just laughing about the conversations being recorded. Paul was laughing at the boat scene and Mallory's boyfriend went off on him. It was so horrible to hear her boyfriend wailing in pain and yelling at Paul to stopping laughing.
And let's not forget about the former housekeeper who died from "blunt force trauma" to the head while cleaning Murdaugh's home, or the friend of Paul and Buster who was found dead on the side of the road also with blunt force head trauma. Quite the body count
Monkey see monkey do
Wow!!! Apparently you hate this family.
Are you jealous they are wealthy?
Do not hate people because they are well off. Instead hate sin, and hating others is a sin.
@roseannahall265
dont forget they are being taught to kill animals from a very young age. Getting them guns for christmas!
When Buster talked about the guns in the house ("lots") I thought is that an army camp? Seeing animals
blessed, running for their life and all that blood, must do something to the brain of a child!
Why is the defense spending so much time/testimony of gun shoots movement in which the jury already wonders why Alex would shoot his family dead
I know one thing if my mom and brother were killed I would be crying my eyes up there on the stand this case has confused me from day one
1:15:39
Where was the extra strange Brother when this happened?
I feel like it’s important to remember that just because someone is a liar that doesn’t make them a murderer. Is it shady, absolutely. Is it guaranteed that he kill them folks, no. Let the process take its course
Did they pull any prints from the shell casings? I haven't heard anything...
Cops tainted the scene and they all know that! They waited to actually search for anything else! Seems like they had it in their heads to say A. M. Did the killings because they totally LOST the REAL EVIDENCE! And it was raining when the officer was not long on the scene! Which should have made them move alot faster before the evidence is degraded due to the rain!
And you hear the officer's speculation about it was because of the boat accident and possibly revenge!
I think its not the dishonesty itself but the motive of money.
Like those childten about to turn 18.
As happened, one theft revealed would release all of the other thefts from hiding.
Exactly. So many people are so sure just because it looks EXTREMELY shady. I get it, it is shady, but that doesn't mean he shot them.
How did Alex M know that it was more than one the same night it happened before the crime scene was investigated?
He didn't and doesn't. He just threw that lie out there.
@@barbarachieppo9603 AM did say “they” (the shooters) in his first interview after the murders.
He and onw other🙄
Because he'd been "thinking about it for a long time." The story he'd made up in his mind and the story he was sticking with, that is. Because only the killer would know that the killer "had been thinking about it for a long time." That's a great point that you made though. Looks like AM had a fantastic story all ready to go before he could have possibly found out that two guns had been used. No way he could have just taken a quick look at that scene and immediately thought that!
@@lynguy8824 🙃
He only increased his speed for a minute because he just threw Maggie's phone out and he high-tailed his ass away from the immediate area/crime scene and then drove normal /regular speed the rest of the way.
Just like in the Kohberger case I find it SO difficult to believe these two "law men" could make so many stupid mistakes when committing their crime.
What men?
"Forensic engineer" sounds like a made-up title for a guy who decides to market himself as a professional witness. Why is he going into the backgrounds of the people he "worked with??" Their credentials don't boost his own. And saying you "work with" someone can mean you were a file clerk in the office (to make the point). He's giving a lot of FLUFF to make his resume sound more substantial. He "deals with" ballistics - he's "worked on cases'" he's "worked with the police," these are really such vague assertions as to be meaningless. The attorney started his question with "were you qualified...in a court..." And then morphs into "did you testify?" I'm surprised the prosecution team hasn't put up more resistance to him. Tell me what you are degreed or certified in to qualify as an expert in such matters.... (although I have to admit he seems to understand the science)
He has great depth into the physics of the interaction of spheres. Complicated but fascinating.!!!!!!!!
"Spheres"? What spheres?
There is no evidence of motive for brutally murdering a wife that he loved and was devoted to and a son that he loved as well. I don't care how rotten he is, he shouldn't go to jail for a murder that he didn't commit. People jumping to conclusions are the reasons why innocent people go to jail.
There is less that 10 mins from when he was there in the Snapchat video with bubba and when they were killed based on phone records. He was about to be exposed for stealing we don’t know how many millions. Getting rid of Paul eliminated the need for anyone looking in his finances for the court case THAT WEEK, and also Maggie investigating anything since she had saw a divorce lawyer.
Alec is on the scene as caught in the video.
This guy sounds like how the workers comp insurance paid a doctor to evaluate me and he wrote the nastiest evaluation about me 🤢
Alex squatted into the shooting position 4 the shot 2 b upwards! He was standing 4 the shot n the dog house from the shoulder He moves quickly as he does when hunting moving targets!!!!!!!!! Case closed!!!!!!
So why were there bullet holes in the cage and dog house? Seems like hair trigger like someone doesn't necessarily know how to properly shoot a rifle? When Alex was probably well trained? Plus the height of the shooter (s) ? The sandle marks of footprints and boot foot prints , when Alex was wearing tennis shoes? Everyone is quick to judge him maybe his son did have people wanting to get back at him , possibly a friend or family of the guy who got shot on the road while changing a tire? Or the family or friends of the girl who got killed in the boat accident? It just seems lazy to me that they are more focused on framing or blaming Alex when certain things and questions just aren't being addressed, the angle of the bullet wounds to the victims to me indicates also the shooter (s) were terrible shots. ... Innocent people have been put away for years for crimes they didn't commit because the prosecutors I feel are lazy and kinda assholes they're interested in finding lies not facts ... Think about it ... I mean really and to kill Maggie she must have witnessed the shooter (s) and we all know what happens to witnesses that see shootings . Dead man tell no tales
How do they know? All of these bullet holes are recent ?
Of course it’s plausible that there may have been two killers but with all the overwhelming evidence that theory is disproven, so Alex was the only one.
So he left around noon for his office, he had more then enough time to place weapons close by and everything ready to go. What is sad about this is if he gets away with this is there a deal they are working on to wiggle out of the money stealing?
I still say he didn't do it.I believe somebody from the boating accident seeked revenge on Paul because of the girl dying in the boating accident.I believe they shot Paul and his mother had to be shot because she was a witness.
I have faith that the jurors are more qualified in their duties, than this “expert” witness is in his.
Is it possible this is the only travesty he did not commit????????
Looks fancy, I’m not buying it. If Alec didn’t personally kill half his family he had them killed
Whoever 👀👀 the shooter was.... wanted to get close to the victims, victims had pissed the shooter off badly!, very personal.
What amazes me is how readily our justice system accepts people as experts. I say I am an expert in a non-validated field, therefore I am.
This guy is a littke boy showing off his computer program. Tape measure did exactly the same thing !
They are "experts" at confusing a jury. And they get paid about $10,000an hour for their preparation and testimony! The guy yesterday said he's getting $60,000 for his testimony.
Sort of like subjective tool markings on mass produced guns by government flunkies.
@@SS11660 $10,000 an hour. 🤣 shows how much you pay attention.
I think todays term for that is “I identify as” 🤦♀️ crazy how society is being led to believe they can identify as someone they clearly aren’t
Mechanical engineers should stick w/building collapses, far from an expert regarding damage done to a human body.
This expert is putting doubt that Alex was the shooter. According to his trigonometry expertise, the shooter of Maggie was most likely 5ft 2 to 5Ft 4. Most unlikely 6ft 4 , the height of Alex. As far as the sound testing that is only valid if Alex was indeed in the main house during the shooting..
That's what I said too... Does it matter what the decibels are, or whether he could hear it in the house, if he was Not in the house? -C
why didn't this "expert" throw a cellphone out of a car travelling 42 mph to test the prosecution theory? Instead spoke about bricks or rocks. Not credible to me. All razzle dazzle to confuse the jury.
He was paid.
Alex hired a dumb Attorney. This guy doesn’t sound like a seasoned attorney. He doesn’t understand what his own witnesses are saying
1:10:02 ... is this funny during a double homicide case? The lead defense attorney pointing a gun at the prosecution table and saying "tempting"
Holy hell.. how was he not reprimanded for that?
It's been driving me crazy no one has even mentioned this!! Not even in the comments that I've seen until I came across yours! Lol
Two weapons could have been used by a circumstance where the killer ran out of bullets with the first gun.
The defense is going to have tell a different story.. but Why didn't he use a 6'4" example of the guy instead of 5'2"?? and was the ground level in that area?
Because where the shells were found near Maggie
Could not have been anyone 6’3 or 6’4
@Andrea Islands of Oceania kneeling on 1 knee , perfect height from shoulder
@@sherryecline7387 kneeling on 1 knee?
@@sugarsmacks1264 so your theory is he shot from the hip to hit paul, waited for paul to stumble out the door and shoot him again while squating on the ground, then run up point blank to maggie dropping to one knee and shoot her?
Clearly the engineer presented 3 hard facts there prosecutor didn't want in evidence, as evidenced by their amount of blistering. The lawyer who cross examined the expert had a major temper tantrum that was distracting (exactly what he wanted to do) but did not actually discredit the expert witness.
I'm left wondering if Alex hired someone to shot them, though there's still no clear motive.
When the officers who arrived on the scene 1st. ,asked about all the tire tracks, Alec said he rode n, n back out!!!!! LISTEN UP!!!!!!
The defense attorney speaks respectful to the witness supporting his case. And rude and big bully-Narc to other witnesses. Disgusting tactics, people laugh while he’s having fun w/the gun. Beyond me…
what does idiot AM say about WHERE HIS CLOTHES WENT???
It could also be someone disgruntled from the boat crash.A girl died that day. Someone related to the girl went and shot Paul, and the mother was there. She got shot, too.
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ You're just the type of person Alex was creating this for. Triny I hope one month later you have a different opinion then this one.
Theres a podcast explaining and demostrating, after the first shot, the victim was able to take a few steps forward, causing the gunman to take a few steps backward & must have fallen back, thus, the second shot was made from a lower angle/source.
Please tell, I need a visual. Which Podcast please?
Not a bad theory!
So this expert just stated that the crime scene was performed by sled and HE USED THOSE PICTURES- so why did harpoon try to emphasize that SLED contaminated the crime scene? I want to be on a jury so bad
Appropriately, he makes sure to put a lot of "maybes" in his testimony, because expert testimony and opinion of all different kinds in court cases can be so full of holes like Swiss cheese. getting it to apply specifically -in many cases, is something most of them don't even try to attempt. it simply adds to the wash. the jury can fold it in, or hang it out to dry. ❓✉ for 🎉🥂 or ⛓🔐
I’m so disgusted by this whole trial. I pray for the souls of maggie and Paul and if they get justice. Also, as an animal lover, the way they treated their animals and hunted is disgusting and disgraceful, but God will get them.
Dawn, I feel exactly the same. The poor dogs. Poor Maggie and Paul . Alex had this done ,I think and that's where the money went to. Putting up a reward was just to make it look like he was trying to find the killers when he knew full well who "they" were. If you really were innocent and Really wanted who ever found try 500,000 or More. He did it with help or had it done by one person
Those poor hogs, I hope they finished them off immediately.
FINALLY! After reading so many comments here in the last few weeks, someone finally brings up the treatment and condition of the dogs! Can’t imagine them there all by themselves during a thunder ⛈️ and lightning ⚡️ storm! wtf
Paul shot anything that moved so live by the gun as they say ,he was a spoiled boy in my opinion sad as it all is ,Maggie was the sad outcome.
Same here. It’s a grotesque way of life.
Defense lawyer seems a little confused in his thought process. Trial lawyers call physicians frequently to hire to testify on their client’s behalf. The lawyers always try to have the doctors “adjust” their testimony to fit the case. Trial lawyers even hold conferences to educate doctors about how to give expert opinions at trials. Some very mediocre doctors do trial work to supplement their incomes.
Something is really fishy with both attorneys. They stammer and stutter and run around with paperwork, repeat questions already answered, etc. Gosh, I hope this trial doesn’t end like OJ’s. This specialist gives way to much in describing his specialty. A lot of this goes right over the jury’s heads! Their brains can’t comprehend all that he’s describing. Glad I’m not on the jury!
Yes they do, one I know lost his license and paid several millions . The other was paid $250,000 to adjust his findings.
This person was the best in his field.
Everyone looked up to him.
Today he is practicing far from the bright lights. What a waste!!!
I found this guy extremely credible and knowledgeable in his field!
Forensic Engineer..
Engineer litteraly means to create something from an idea..
So he creates his own forensic ideas..
Engineers are typically brilliant at math. All different forms of math. I think this was more than an idea.
Cell phone pits alex at the murder scene, alex has relentlessly try to persuade police that he was not at the scene but cell data dont lie. So now why are saying he couldnt have been crouching to surprise hos victims right before he committed his crime?