Hey guys I wanted to say that sometimes certain episodes won't have the same impact for us as they do you. This was a very good episode, we were just exhausted that day. Still love the show and the message behind these episodes!
Completely understandable given your scheduals. There's a UA-camr called Jonny 2 Cellos that makes Bojack reviews / breakdowns and this is his favorite episode. I'd suggest checking it out if you want another look on why this episode is so popular.
I've watched the entire series through twice now... You miss so much on first viewing... This episode, and some later ones, are some of the best stuff I've ever seen onnTV ever... And I'm old 😂
then mabe don't binge watch several shows at the same day?? i understand that it's your job and you got to do as much as yall can but as a viewer we'd want to see a real reaction without feeling like yall ruhing in to go to bed
@@amine8073 seems like they got ragged on by the patreon already for this one considering they even posted this comment. No need to throw your 2 cents in
I feel like you missed the part where Bojack's uncle dies in the war. That's the reason why his grandmother started losing her mind, since she not only lost her son but couldn't even count on her husband who was distant. This episode was about grief. Bojack's grandmother and Eddie spent the rest of their lives consumed by it. Bojack was certainly heading the same way, he spent 8 months mourning the death of Sarah Lynn. But he decided that he didn't want to spend the rest of his life like this, and started to move on. At the same time, this episode introduced Bojack's roots with his mother's youth and the house she came from. All in all, one of my favorite episodes. The way the two stories are told in the same locations simultaneously is incredible !
@@ishy6875 I don't think sorkaem's butt hurt this video just doesn't mention Crackerjack's death. The comment isn't ragging on the video, just noting what was left out and giving some insightful commentary.
Ghosts of the past. Generational trauma. Not knowing how to deal with emotions and grief. "Promise you will never love anyone as much as I loved crackerjack" "Why, I have half a mind.........." Simply superb show
@@amine8073 tbf that’s the Bojack experience, not noticing symbolism until you go online to read about the episode because your so done with bojacks shit lol
The death of Crackerjack Sugarman begins the cycle of trauma and abuse that poisoned the Sugarman/Horseman families. Honey Sugarman's and Eddie's grief is magnified when you realise that the people there are only hearing half the duet, especially on Honey's end, the people there think she's gone crazy just randomly singing. It's only us, the audience that gets to see this window through time, the two halves coming together to form a beautiful whole. "Love does things to a person, terrible things. Beatrice, promise me you will never love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack." You can see now the seeds of what made Beatrice the way she is today.
Bojack watching FX's take of him taking Sarah Lynn to the hospital; freezing on the ground in grief while his family is shown coming in looking for Crackerjack's favorite blanket he gave to Beatrice; their mother overcome in grief; one of the best and coldest scenes in this show.
Shame this one didn't hit home with you. It's one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen. I was really looking forward to this one. Absolutely devastating and gives you so much insight into BoJack's mom and why she is how she is.
Yeah, it’s called generational trauma . When one family member goes down they bring down the whole family and traumatize them all, then the child of that family grows up and does something similar because that’s what they learnt adults do from their parents, then that child’s child grows up and does the same thing, and so on. It’s a really morbidly interesting subject, as generational trauma can last centuries before a family member breaks the cycle and decides not to do what their parents had done raising them. Horrifying to know one horrible parent can mentally destroy and ruin people that were born decades after they passed.
This episode is where the intergenerational trauma began. Bojack keeps getting darker, and the comedy aspect becomes more like comedy relief as the show becomes an existential snowball.
The episode represents the stages of grief His grandmother grieves her son The neighbor grieves his wife And bojack grieves Sara Lynn Although it is different they are all doing the same things and in the end bojack chooses not to become the dragon fly and move on It also shows where the chain of misery started in the Sugarman line Cracker jack dies and the grandmother has a breakdown causing trauma to Beatrice and leaving her only support her emotionally distant father and that brokenness passed down to bojack and he passed it to Sara
Huh. This is usually a home-run episode for the people I know that watched the show (Myself included). Maybe in retrospect or after a second watching everything will land more.
It's alright, don't worry, the episode is actually much better in retrospective. I truly hope you enjoy this season as much as the rest of us did. It gets really REALLY good
the whole past part was for you to hear at the end when Beatrice's mom makes her promise she won't ever love anyone as much as she loved the dead uncle.
I think it's talking about how trauma is intergenerational. I think the episode is just showing you what happened 80 years before, and whats happening in the present, not to connect them to Bojack, but just to show us a little history of the family and how they all follow in each others footsteps, consciously or not.
Season 4 needs to be watched twice IMO. Theres a lot happening that isnt obvious until after you've been through already. Also in season 2 Beatrice told Bojack "I hope you die before I do so you dont know what its like to lose a mother". Its still a terrible thing to say but I think she actually meant it to some degree.
It's too much for me. I binge watched this whole season when it came out, it took the Normies reactions to get back into it. So many episodes hit deep.
Good it's so dark...Joseph Sugarman always sound so calm and right, but everything he does is so cruel and insane at the same time and i still believe he is just not aware of it really...
I don't know what your filming schedule is but I feel like this episode may have gone over y'alls heads because of a hectic schedule just from your side comments. You might be emotionally or mentally drained. There are a lot of threads going on at once in the show and you have to switch back-and-forth a lot and sort of actively stitch things together. There are a lot of episodes like this in the coming seasons so maybe you could set aside Bojack as its own separate thing instead of as a bookend to a day of filming.
@@GatileoGatilei the view from halfway down made me throw away my 6 month sobriety chip. I'm back on my game but damn dude. Free churo threw me into a dark spiral man.
in summery this episode is about greif we see 3 characters deeling with it on different ways/levels : Bojack greifing sarah lynn's death , Honey sugarman and eddy the dragonfly
Bojack’s life is a tapestry woven in a very beautiful chaotic mess that he cannot figure out how to navigate or understand. As always, I loved your reactions and cannot wait for the next. You will definitely soon get a grip on how this episode fits into Bojack’s life.
"I have half a mind to kiss you with that smart mouth." "Well, thats the half you can keep." My god, this show is brilliant. Lmao, I can't NOT laugh when Bojack yells at Eddy asking if he fixed his door and Eddy hides behind the curtains. This entire episode is about grief. Eddy and Grandma Sugarman couldn't get over their own, as Eddy is still suicidal and Grandma was lobotomized because there was little in the way of help for mental problems back then(and Grandpa Sugarman was a monster). Bojack, still grieving for Sarah Lynn, decides to get over it and move on, letting go of the past by destroying the Sugarman place.
BoJack has nowhere to go - he thought he wanted to run with the wild horses - but instead he returned to his mother's family home. Where everything was broken. I don't think he could have told you why he went. The symbolic power of him trying to fix this broken home - and the flashbacks revealing just how broken it was - is maybe a little on the nose but was very impactful for me. The story of his neighbor killing his wife and wanting to die... and of course the story of Honey Sugarman, and the generation where the threads of Beatrice's and BoJack's pain, anguish and struggles are woven... man, it hits hard. Honey was so close to her son - perhaps closer than with anyone else. We don't know much - but he seems to be the only person with whom she got to enjoy the things she loves. A kind, almost grown up person who has a loving, meaningful emotional connection with her - shown in them singing their special song on the piano. She didn't get to enjoy herself and live out her spirit very much - because society didn't tolerate people acting "out of the norm", especially women. "how did such a sweet face end up with such a smart mouth" - - "I don't know, but I've got half a mind to kiss you with that smart mouth! " "Well, that half you can keep" ... Then WWII took what was dearest from her. Took him from her - from the world - her son. She was utterly broken - and in need of so much love and care and help. Instead she was told to calm down, get it together and don't make a scene - left with a daughter she was clearly unequipped to care for, left to drown in a sea of loss and grief. She couldn't cope... And it's not like the people around her are cartoonish villains or people who mean ill - her family in particular, but also society as a whole had never been equipped to deal with people in such situations adequately. They didn't know what to do - so they lobotomized her. ... ... "Why I have half a mind..." ... All that loss and grief - and nobody who understands, who could and would help... her mistreatment and the tragedy this spun through the tapestry of so many lives over three generations - the immese suffering in so many lives caused mostly by neglect and failure to empathize with one. Reminds me of this wise saying I read: "We all know and agree, when you travel back in time, you have to be extremely careful, because any tiny change could have huge consequences down the line - but who believes that their own actions now could affect the future to that extent?". Just think what might have been different had someone seen Honey Sugarman's plight and taken loving care of her... And then - as he leaves, after having dwelled there for a while - he destroys it after having fixed it. Psychologically, it makes sense - he "rises above" the brokenness by fixing the home and then asserting that it has no power over him by destroying it. Again, the symbolism is certainly rather immediate - and I think it's good that BoJack seems resolved to not be caught in the consequences of that history. But then of course - making a statement about being free of something - is not the same as being free of that something.
Oh man. I was so looking forward to this episode’s reaction, it was a bummer you found some scenes funny. I understand you are tired though. Sadly I think you missed the most important line of the episode, where you understand why Beatrice pretty much force herself to not love Bojack. This is my favorite season, I hope you guys enjoy the rest of it more.
I think you'll get more out of this episode after you watch the episode called Time's Arrow. I think this episode provides a lot of context for what you find out in that episode. The message here is just generational trauma and how Bojack is still suffering because of these events because they shaped his mom.
I just found your channel like 2 days ago while searching for Bojack reactors, and I absolutely love you guys! I really enjoy your talks at the end of your videos and you seem like such lovely people :) Also I felt similar to you after first watching this episode, it’s pretty chaotic, but it really gets great when you rewatch it!💗
It is an interesting and telling character note for Bojack that he chose to destroy the house and not, like, sell it and let it become a home for someone else. Sorta representative of "just keep running" mentality versus making up for or trying to heal from the past. I don't think destroying the house was a bad move or anything, just a very Bojack way to handle something.
Time's arrow is amazing and brutal. I still think the view from halfway down is the shows best but i can't argue with your take. Also free churro. Just brutal
One detail I love about this is while Mrs. Sugarman is singing with the dragonfly she's only singing her part of the duet. That's why everyone from her time period was giving her such weird looks while she was singing at the piano
The Point is f the past. you can not restore it. Bojack wanted to repair the house so it could be like when he was young. Than when the Fly has his breakdown he realised that just by surrounding you with things from the past doesnt bring it or make you feel like you felt back than. So to not end up like the flyguy he does a full 180 and decides to burn it down instead and move on.
A few things to note from this episode: 1) The lake-house is in Harper's Landing; BoJack had a fake daughter in his drug trip of Season 1 named Harper 2) Your note about them mirroring each others actions is actually thematically appropriate; BoJack is unintentionally on the same path as his mother and he doesn't know it yet. 3) The actual format of the episode is set out like a stage play, with two actions on either side of the stage telling two stories, linked by thematic exploration. 4) Half a mind. Yikes. 5) Destroying the lake-house could be seen in one of two ways: BoJack either destroying the past and moving on from his family's generational toxicity, or 6) He destroys the one connection to his past out of his own deflective nature and unwillingness to confront his past. 7) Beatrice (BoJack's mother) promises to never love anyone as much as her mother loved her brother. It's one of the key reasons why she treats BoJack the way she does.
I think the point of this episode is to show how bojack was at a bottom, he needed to get out of LA/go off the grid and start a project. A lot of addicts do things like that to reset. He was okay until he talked to diane and went back to his old self. Like other people have said this episode was about handling grief
Ya know, though I slightly disagree on a few of your criticisms, as I LOVE this epiosde, but everyone is entitled to an opinion, so don't force yourself to love this episode based on the comments section
Finally! You gals at last got to this episode already, But for real though if ya'll two thought this episode was dark and sad just wait until you'll dive more into both Bojack and his mother messed up trauma-filled pasts and how that ultimately, deeply effected who they've become later on within their lives, which showcasing a good example of generational trauma & how abusive habits or behaviors can get past down from one generation to the next. Trust me things are going to get so much worse within this series in terms of the very realistic, intense, heavy, all to way too real harshness that this show tackles when it comes to actual real problems and issues regarding life in all of its depressing glory.
I just learned in my neuroscience class that if a trauma is too big and you don't handle it, it can actually pass on to the next generation. So Bojack's family being all fucked up just adds more to the fire that is Bojack
What is happening to Bojack’s family is called generational trauma: Crackerjack’s (Bojack’s uncle, Beatrice’s older brother) death in WW2 kickstarted a bunch of horrible events that would effect the Horseman/Sugarman family for 2 generation (so far) and not just the family. Many people in Bojack’s life (Herb, Charlotte, Sarah Lynn, etc) are victims of his decisions, which again was influenced by how his parents raised him, which again is influenced by their upbringing especially Beatrice’s (as we don’t know much about Bojack’s parental familyside) It is tragic, but this one the best (if not the best) episode in this series.
I honestly was happy was destroyed. So mess up things happend there tbf :( Beatrice's mom told her "promise me you'll never love anyone as much as I love Crackerjack" And Beatrice keep that promise, she never loved Bojack that much... 😢
I feel like the episode isn't _that_ deep as comments make it out to be. It took me up until the last season to get my emotions riled up, but anyway the show does a good job enough at making things apparent that you don't actually have to regurgitate what just happened. It's a very good episode that explains how the upbringing can affect people even generations down the line and how everyone handles grief differently. The storytelling is nice as well.
Hey guys I wanted to say that sometimes certain episodes won't have the same impact for us as they do you. This was a very good episode, we were just exhausted that day. Still love the show and the message behind these episodes!
Completely understandable given your scheduals. There's a UA-camr called Jonny 2 Cellos that makes Bojack reviews / breakdowns and this is his favorite episode. I'd suggest checking it out if you want another look on why this episode is so popular.
I've watched the entire series through twice now...
You miss so much on first viewing...
This episode, and some later ones, are some of the best stuff I've ever seen onnTV ever...
And I'm old 😂
then mabe don't binge watch several shows at the same day?? i understand that it's your job and you got to do as much as yall can but as a viewer we'd want to see a real reaction without feeling like yall ruhing in to go to bed
@@amine8073 seems like they got ragged on by the patreon already for this one considering they even posted this comment. No need to throw your 2 cents in
@@amine8073 they’re just doing like they’ve always done it, they’re not gonna throw off their whole schedule for 1 show
I feel like you missed the part where Bojack's uncle dies in the war. That's the reason why his grandmother started losing her mind, since she not only lost her son but couldn't even count on her husband who was distant.
This episode was about grief. Bojack's grandmother and Eddie spent the rest of their lives consumed by it. Bojack was certainly heading the same way, he spent 8 months mourning the death of Sarah Lynn. But he decided that he didn't want to spend the rest of his life like this, and started to move on.
At the same time, this episode introduced Bojack's roots with his mother's youth and the house she came from.
All in all, one of my favorite episodes. The way the two stories are told in the same locations simultaneously is incredible !
@@ishy6875 I don't think sorkaem's butt hurt this video just doesn't mention Crackerjack's death. The comment isn't ragging on the video, just noting what was left out and giving some insightful commentary.
@@ishy6875 the only one that seems butt hurt right now is you, not gonna lie.
"she seems like she's in a great home!"
i know this gets immediately disproved but still LMAO
They always jinx themselves and it’s hilarious
This episode is a master piece it shows and embodies grief
Completely agree!
So true
It does something to my soul
Ghosts of the past.
Generational trauma.
Not knowing how to deal with emotions and grief.
"Promise you will never love anyone as much as I loved crackerjack"
"Why, I have half a mind.........."
Simply superb show
they are so tired they didn't give a shit about it lmao oh well
@@amine8073 tbf that’s the Bojack experience, not noticing symbolism until you go online to read about the episode because your so done with bojacks shit lol
Did they like miss the part where Bojacks uncle died in the war...
“Why I have half a mind...” 🥲
That's the only part they let her keep...
The death of Crackerjack Sugarman begins the cycle of trauma and abuse that poisoned the Sugarman/Horseman families.
Honey Sugarman's and Eddie's grief is magnified when you realise that the people there are only hearing half the duet, especially on Honey's end, the people there think she's gone crazy just randomly singing. It's only us, the audience that gets to see this window through time, the two halves coming together to form a beautiful whole.
"Love does things to a person, terrible things. Beatrice, promise me you will never love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack."
You can see now the seeds of what made Beatrice the way she is today.
Bojack watching FX's take of him taking Sarah Lynn to the hospital; freezing on the ground in grief while his family is shown coming in looking for Crackerjack's favorite blanket he gave to Beatrice; their mother overcome in grief; one of the best and coldest scenes in this show.
Shame this one didn't hit home with you. It's one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen. I was really looking forward to this one. Absolutely devastating and gives you so much insight into BoJack's mom and why she is how she is.
You're learning that Bojack isn't just toxic... his *entire family line* is toxic. It's morbidly amazing how crazy(er) it gets.
Yeah, it’s called generational trauma . When one family member goes down they bring down the whole family and traumatize them all, then the child of that family grows up and does something similar because that’s what they learnt adults do from their parents, then that child’s child grows up and does the same thing, and so on. It’s a really morbidly interesting subject, as generational trauma can last centuries before a family member breaks the cycle and decides not to do what their parents had done raising them. Horrifying to know one horrible parent can mentally destroy and ruin people that were born decades after they passed.
@@kingofhorses5745 Well said.
@@kingofhorses5745 its why i dont want kids. i dont think im strong enough not to pass on my own bullshit lol
This is a top 5 episode of the series for me. And "I Will Always Think of You" one of my favorite moments.
I love this season so much.
This episode is where the intergenerational trauma began. Bojack keeps getting darker, and the comedy aspect becomes more like comedy relief as the show becomes an existential snowball.
The episode represents the stages of grief
His grandmother grieves her son
The neighbor grieves his wife
And bojack grieves Sara Lynn
Although it is different they are all doing the same things and in the end bojack chooses not to become the dragon fly and move on
It also shows where the chain of misery started in the Sugarman line
Cracker jack dies and the grandmother has a breakdown causing trauma to Beatrice and leaving her only support her emotionally distant father and that brokenness passed down to bojack and he passed it to Sara
"His grandmother grieves her son"
Actually, Crackerjack is her older brother.
@@imveryape nope
Huh. This is usually a home-run episode for the people I know that watched the show (Myself included). Maybe in retrospect or after a second watching everything will land more.
It's alright, don't worry, the episode is actually much better in retrospective. I truly hope you enjoy this season as much as the rest of us did. It gets really REALLY good
I never noticed his mom is the girl on the sugarman sugar packets yet she died without a single dollar to her name😰
"It will always be here, like polio and blackface." Jesus Christ lol xD
the whole past part was for you to hear at the end when Beatrice's mom makes her promise she won't ever love anyone as much as she loved the dead uncle.
And Beatrice kept that promise alright :(
@@oneisabirdotgw ye she did :S
I think it's talking about how trauma is intergenerational. I think the episode is just showing you what happened 80 years before, and whats happening in the present, not to connect them to Bojack, but just to show us a little history of the family and how they all follow in each others footsteps, consciously or not.
Season 4 needs to be watched twice IMO. Theres a lot happening that isnt obvious until after you've been through already. Also in season 2 Beatrice told Bojack "I hope you die before I do so you dont know what its like to lose a mother". Its still a terrible thing to say but I think she actually meant it to some degree.
yup after _Time's Arrow_ this ep is something else
It's too much for me. I binge watched this whole season when it came out, it took the Normies reactions to get back into it. So many episodes hit deep.
Good it's so dark...Joseph Sugarman always sound so calm and right, but everything he does is so cruel and insane at the same time and i still believe he is just not aware of it really...
I don't know what your filming schedule is but I feel like this episode may have gone over y'alls heads because of a hectic schedule just from your side comments. You might be emotionally or mentally drained. There are a lot of threads going on at once in the show and you have to switch back-and-forth a lot and sort of actively stitch things together. There are a lot of episodes like this in the coming seasons so maybe you could set aside Bojack as its own separate thing instead of as a bookend to a day of filming.
Excellent idea...
But they won’t do it
Sadly
Time's arrow is coming up people. they ain't ready
No one is ready for that
@@GatileoGatilei the view from halfway down made me throw away my 6 month sobriety chip. I'm back on my game but damn dude. Free churo threw me into a dark spiral man.
in summery this episode is about greif we see 3 characters deeling with it on different ways/levels : Bojack greifing sarah lynn's death , Honey sugarman and eddy the dragonfly
This is just the beginning of Beatrice Horseman’s story. So excited to see your reactions to the rest of this season.
They’ll probably be “too tired” to really appreciate how fantastic it is
@@chrisgreen8803 pls stop being this toxic, it was once in all the run, it was just a shame that it landed in this episode
Bojack’s life is a tapestry woven in a very beautiful chaotic mess that he cannot figure out how to navigate or understand. As always, I loved your reactions and cannot wait for the next. You will definitely soon get a grip on how this episode fits into Bojack’s life.
"I have half a mind to kiss you with that smart mouth."
"Well, thats the half you can keep."
My god, this show is brilliant.
Lmao, I can't NOT laugh when Bojack yells at Eddy asking if he fixed his door and Eddy hides behind the curtains.
This entire episode is about grief. Eddy and Grandma Sugarman couldn't get over their own, as Eddy is still suicidal and Grandma was lobotomized because there was little in the way of help for mental problems back then(and Grandpa Sugarman was a monster). Bojack, still grieving for Sarah Lynn, decides to get over it and move on, letting go of the past by destroying the Sugarman place.
BoJack has nowhere to go - he thought he wanted to run with the wild horses - but instead he returned to his mother's family home. Where everything was broken. I don't think he could have told you why he went. The symbolic power of him trying to fix this broken home - and the flashbacks revealing just how broken it was - is maybe a little on the nose but was very impactful for me.
The story of his neighbor killing his wife and wanting to die... and of course the story of Honey Sugarman, and the generation where the threads of Beatrice's and BoJack's pain, anguish and struggles are woven... man, it hits hard.
Honey was so close to her son - perhaps closer than with anyone else. We don't know much - but he seems to be the only person with whom she got to enjoy the things she loves. A kind, almost grown up person who has a loving, meaningful emotional connection with her - shown in them singing their special song on the piano. She didn't get to enjoy herself and live out her spirit very much - because society didn't tolerate people acting "out of the norm", especially women.
"how did such a sweet face end up with such a smart mouth" -
- "I don't know, but I've got half a mind to kiss you with that smart mouth! "
"Well, that half you can keep"
...
Then WWII took what was dearest from her. Took him from her - from the world - her son. She was utterly broken - and in need of so much love and care and help. Instead she was told to calm down, get it together and don't make a scene - left with a daughter she was clearly unequipped to care for, left to drown in a sea of loss and grief. She couldn't cope... And it's not like the people around her are cartoonish villains or people who mean ill - her family in particular, but also society as a whole had never been equipped to deal with people in such situations adequately. They didn't know what to do - so they lobotomized her.
...
... "Why I have half a mind..."
...
All that loss and grief - and nobody who understands, who could and would help... her mistreatment and the tragedy this spun through the tapestry of so many lives over three generations - the immese suffering in so many lives caused mostly by neglect and failure to empathize with one.
Reminds me of this wise saying I read: "We all know and agree, when you travel back in time, you have to be extremely careful, because any tiny change could have huge consequences down the line - but who believes that their own actions now could affect the future to that extent?".
Just think what might have been different had someone seen Honey Sugarman's plight and taken loving care of her...
And then - as he leaves, after having dwelled there for a while - he destroys it after having fixed it. Psychologically, it makes sense - he "rises above" the brokenness by fixing the home and then asserting that it has no power over him by destroying it. Again, the symbolism is certainly rather immediate - and I think it's good that BoJack seems resolved to not be caught in the consequences of that history. But then of course - making a statement about being free of something - is not the same as being free of that something.
This is one of the best episodes of the entire series. Gosh it's so good.
Oh man. I was so looking forward to this episode’s reaction, it was a bummer you found some scenes funny. I understand you are tired though. Sadly I think you missed the most important line of the episode, where you understand why Beatrice pretty much force herself to not love Bojack. This is my favorite season, I hope you guys enjoy the rest of it more.
I think you'll get more out of this episode after you watch the episode called Time's Arrow. I think this episode provides a lot of context for what you find out in that episode. The message here is just generational trauma and how Bojack is still suffering because of these events because they shaped his mom.
Ah yes... this season... the one that made me an emotional wreck yet simultaneously solidified it as one of the best shows I have ever watched.
I just found your channel like 2 days ago while searching for Bojack reactors, and I absolutely love you guys! I really enjoy your talks at the end of your videos and you seem like such lovely people :) Also I felt similar to you after first watching this episode, it’s pretty chaotic, but it really gets great when you rewatch it!💗
The destruction of the house was symbolic. You can't change the past, the best way to move on is to let go
It is an interesting and telling character note for Bojack that he chose to destroy the house and not, like, sell it and let it become a home for someone else. Sorta representative of "just keep running" mentality versus making up for or trying to heal from the past.
I don't think destroying the house was a bad move or anything, just a very Bojack way to handle something.
Hey look. Its episode 11 in disguise
I've been so excited for this! This season 4 arc about beatrice and Bojacks family is my favorite in the show
Hooray for intergenerational trauma
question mark?
*read in the voice of Aaron Paul*
This episode and the other Beatrice one this season (Time's Arrow) are two of my favorite episodes of the entire show.
Time's arrow is amazing and brutal. I still think the view from halfway down is the shows best but i can't argue with your take. Also free churro. Just brutal
@@bigpictureguys8415 Those are all great picks.
Oh man, you guys aren’t ready for this season. It’s peak bojack for me though.
One detail I love about this is while Mrs. Sugarman is singing with the dragonfly she's only singing her part of the duet. That's why everyone from her time period was giving her such weird looks while she was singing at the piano
Holy moly you seem to have completely missed the point of the episode
When Beatrice's dad says 'well that half you can keep' ☠️
That house was a PERFECT representation of this Show as a whole. It really has a way of building you up only to tire you down.
For some reason I remembered what happens at 4:25 and was like "ohhhh noooo"
This episode is precursor to another episode which always gives me a sinking feeling when i watch it.
I'm pretty sure this episode has two themes, grief and family. If I recall correctly family is the highlight of Season 4.
Sprinkling sugar on a lemon, yep you can really taste the summer.
The Point is f the past. you can not restore it. Bojack wanted to repair the house so it could be like when he was young. Than when the Fly has his breakdown he realised that just by surrounding you with things from the past doesnt bring it or make you feel like you felt back than. So to not end up like the flyguy he does a full 180 and decides to burn it down instead and move on.
When I watched it a second time, I literally shivered in horror when Joseph Sugarman joked "that half you can keep".
A few things to note from this episode:
1) The lake-house is in Harper's Landing; BoJack had a fake daughter in his drug trip of Season 1 named Harper
2) Your note about them mirroring each others actions is actually thematically appropriate; BoJack is unintentionally on the same path as his mother and he doesn't know it yet.
3) The actual format of the episode is set out like a stage play, with two actions on either side of the stage telling two stories, linked by thematic exploration.
4) Half a mind. Yikes.
5) Destroying the lake-house could be seen in one of two ways: BoJack either destroying the past and moving on from his family's generational toxicity,
or
6) He destroys the one connection to his past out of his own deflective nature and unwillingness to confront his past.
7) Beatrice (BoJack's mother) promises to never love anyone as much as her mother loved her brother.
It's one of the key reasons why she treats BoJack the way she does.
Really proud of Imon for not saying that the clear version of the show is on patreon even tho it's already clear on UA-cam. Even tired, you did it! ❤❤
I think the point of this episode is to show how bojack was at a bottom, he needed to get out of LA/go off the grid and start a project. A lot of addicts do things like that to reset. He was okay until he talked to diane and went back to his old self. Like other people have said this episode was about handling grief
5:51 I actually been told the same thing as a kid so many times. Nothing worse than a woman teaching girls a bunch of stupid stereotypes.
This is such a well done episode!!
“Why I have half a mind”
*literally has half a mind*
When do we get the two episode drops for bojack like you talked about?
This episode represent the five stages of grief but also the 7 stages of grief
Oh god I didn’t realize we were already here...
I think this episode showing how family truama affects future generations
What a great reaction to an amazing episode! :D
Ya know, though I slightly disagree on a few of your criticisms, as I LOVE this epiosde, but everyone is entitled to an opinion, so don't force yourself to love this episode based on the comments section
trauma is generational.
Finally! You gals at last got to this episode already, But for real though if ya'll two thought this episode was dark and sad just wait until you'll dive more into both Bojack and his mother messed up trauma-filled pasts and how that ultimately, deeply effected who they've become later on within their lives, which showcasing a good example of generational trauma & how abusive habits or behaviors can get past down from one generation to the next. Trust me things are going to get so much worse within this series in terms of the very realistic, intense, heavy, all to way too real harshness that this show tackles when it comes to actual real problems and issues regarding life in all of its depressing glory.
This is my favorite episode. It's heaaaavy but the storytelling is great. And the song, I love it.
I just learned in my neuroscience class that if a trauma is too big and you don't handle it, it can actually pass on to the next generation. So Bojack's family being all fucked up just adds more to the fire that is Bojack
"Well that's the half you can keep!"
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Beatrice's mom was such a sweet woman/female horse
Honestly this episode is better in hindsight after you watch Season 4 and Season 5
This might be my favorite episode in the series
I will only say that when the time's arrow arrives, it hits very hard.
Its the fact they're really not picking up on ANY important details and can't even remember information from last episodes for me.
this was the best episode of bojack.
What is happening to Bojack’s family is called generational trauma:
Crackerjack’s (Bojack’s uncle, Beatrice’s older brother) death in WW2 kickstarted a bunch of horrible events that would effect the Horseman/Sugarman family for 2 generation (so far) and not just the family.
Many people in Bojack’s life (Herb, Charlotte, Sarah Lynn, etc) are victims of his decisions, which again was influenced by how his parents raised him, which again is influenced by their upbringing especially Beatrice’s (as we don’t know much about Bojack’s parental familyside)
It is tragic, but this one the best (if not the best) episode in this series.
oh god no it's in this season???????????
Great reaction!
What is trauma but grief, persevering.
Yeah on his mom side his grandfather own the sugar factory his uncle died in world war 1.
It would really help if you could increase the output of this show to twice a week??
I honestly was happy was destroyed. So mess up things happend there tbf :(
Beatrice's mom told her "promise me you'll never love anyone as much as I love Crackerjack"
And Beatrice keep that promise, she never loved Bojack that much... 😢
Yes finally !!!
This is the only reaction I’ve seen from you two that angered me
You know a great show you guys should watch is Code Geass lelouch of rebellion but anyways great reaction ladies
I feel like the episode isn't _that_ deep as comments make it out to be. It took me up until the last season to get my emotions riled up, but anyway the show does a good job enough at making things apparent that you don't actually have to regurgitate what just happened.
It's a very good episode that explains how the upbringing can affect people even generations down the line and how everyone handles grief differently. The storytelling is nice as well.
bad take
@@doozsromhacks It's not even a take what you smoking.