Use code IDFANTASY50 to get 50% OFF your first Factor box plus 20% off your next month of orders at bit.ly/4dlKfvW! CORRECTION - There are 5 bodies in FNAF 2, I had just heard six so many times and miscounted when looking myself. However, I do still think the fact that the other kids are in color instead of greyed out in Happiest Day implies they aren't spirits. Sorry! What do you guys think it going on with the Shadow animatronics?
Again, i think i already said this in a past video, but i still think Shadow Freddy and Nightmare are manifestations of Afton's wickedness, Nightmare refers to himself as such in UCN, and the Follow Me minigame is a recreation of the Missing Children incident, which strongly implies that he as a connection to Afton just by luring the animatronics jus like Spring Bonnie lured the children, still, it's a great video an your work is amazing.
@@glitchdragonmasterdxd17th19..so one line _potentially_ being able to mean something else invalidates the whole theory? Shouldnt literally zero things in this series make sense with this mindset?
It's almost certainly a coincidence. The website used to decode it can get pretty much any word from any combination of letters. Shadow Bonnie has a different name in FNAF 3's files and that translates to Romeo, which doesn't seem to line up with anything. Additionally, all of the letters in Shadow Bonnie's name are in roughly the same area on a keyboard, meaning Scott very likely just keyboard smashed.
Out of curiosity, did anyone ever find a way to pronounce that, other than spelling it out? I assume not, since Shadow Bonnie seemed to be taunting us over that.
No it couldn't. HappiestDay happens after FNAF 6. Henry confirms countless times that the og 5 kids are still trapped in FNAF 6, the DCI are never brought up at all
I thought current line was that happiest day is not necessarily the canon ending of fnaf 3, just as princess quest is not the true canon ending of security breach (not by itself as shown pre-ruin at least, we know that parts of at least one other ending also had to happen)
I think the reason shadow bonnie shows up as a form of toy bonnie is possibly because toy bonnie possibly has a mechanical part or something inside him that was from the event(s) of the past,he may have a peice of metal from the spring bonnie suit since there was agony tied to it cause william died in it or spring bonnie has a peice that holds agony from a child that may have died like a peice of metal with old dried blood on it possibly
11:49 Weirdly enough I'd like to add that the "Malhare" Abomination we see in Princess Quest looks very similar to XQC just in a more mutated and sploogy kinda way 😂
I'd like to share my thoughts on what I think the Shadow animatronics are. To start, I don't think it's exactly fair to refer to Shadow Freddy & RXQ as part of the same group, since, outside of being shadowy figures, there are no connections between the two. "Shadow Bonnie" is just a fandom name. His canon name is & always has been that random jumble of letters. I'm mentioning this now because I believe Shadow Freddy & RXQ have two completely different origins. Getting into that, I personally believe Shadow Freddy is the Crying Child. Like, that Shadow Freddy isn't just made from CC's agony, but that he is literally CC's spirit. My primary reason for believing this is the fact that CC is a 2nd spirit in Golden Freddy at all. Why? Is it just so he can be Golden Freddy? We already have Cassidy for that. That's where Shadow Freddy comes in, for he is a character with several connections to Golden Freddy, as you mentioned in the video. As for why Shadow Freddy specifically, that could be why Nightmare, a character internally labelled as "Shadow Freddy," is the final boss of FNaF4, which is a game that centers around CC's trauma. Nightmare also says in UCN that "The Shadow fears [him]," which "the Shadow" being CC would explain well for obvious reasons. As for RXQ, I do believe he's an agony being, but not from Charlie's death. I think RXQ is a being made of the MCI's agony, primarily because he's a shadow version of Spring Bonnie. As a believer of StitchlineGames, since Eleanor is implied to be made of MCI agony as well, that could imply Eleanor & RXQ are the same entity. But, that remains to be seen. I mainly just like the idea of RXQ being at least something of relevance, especially if I'm right in saying Shadow Freddy is CC, who got an entire game for his origin story. These are only my thoughts, of course. Just wanted to throw them out there.
I really love this and I already figured as well that RXQ would be all of the MCI however even tho I like the theory of shadow Freddy being CC I don't understand how it could be because in FNAF 3, the minigame: follow me, shadow Freddy lures the animatronics in to get dismantled by William Afton. I don't think CC would do that since those were kids. Idk 😐 what do you have to say about it?
@@deeannalynn0805 Well, like ID suggested in the video, it's possible Shadow Freddy was doing it to release the souls so they could all get their collective revenge on Afton.
super random thought, but if the shadow's appearences are based off of associations of the person (like william with spring bonnie), then it wouldn't be too far fetched to say they can also change their appearence to whatever is around them, hence why they look like toy bonnie and golden freddy, there's absolutely no proof of this being true but i randomly thought of that while watching the video 😭😭
Glitchtrap is also a shadow animatronic. In Princess Quest 1, he is represented as big dark agony rabbit who uses his Eleanor-like tentacles to attack the Princess. He has a purple outline, and also can create shadow manifestations of his own. Tell me, did Mimic, by chance, have THAT amout of agony in the series? I think not. "Mimic is Glitchtrap" disproved, maybe. I know it's not about Mimic, but Shadow Glitchtrap is very interesting to research. Also, he has purple remnant that also surrounds Glitchtrap plush and Vanny mask in Princess Quest 3, which is also interesting.
Very interested to see how the shadows play out in the movie (if they actually show up at all lol) Max being in a purple suit isn't enough for me to think the shadows exist in the movie. However, there was that unlisted teaser video we found that I believe showed shadow Freddy for a few seconds at one point
Thank you for this video. Just got cell service back after Hellene came through my area. Won’t have power until October 5th. It was nice getting a video from my favorite creator when I could finally get online.
I had always gone with the theory that they're employees who've gotten springlocked and had their bodies removed thus why they're shadows and the lack of knowledge about them being why they're black with no color, and why they help the player free the spirits with william getting springlocked being an unexpected event resulting from he angry spirits Although this hinges on the FNAF 3 phone call about the simultaneous springlock failures not being retconned into something else in a similar manner to FNAF 4 and the fear gas. I do wonder wonder if the shadow animatronics will appear in a more prominent role or if they've played their part in the story and will be nothing more than references like cardboard cutouts in HW and SB
EXACTLY, i've always interpreted them as the spirits of the springlocked employees that no longer have a proper costume or host to cling to. They seem self aware enough but also don't play a prominent role in the murders that happened throughout the franchise because it never rlly felt like they were apart of it in the first place? They also aren't actively vengeful and seem to be fairly passive compared to the other characters, its also just so interesting too
My personal theory is that the Shadow Animatronics are infact just creatures that show up when it'd be funny to confuse people. What kind of creatures? Not important
(Sorry in advance for the possibly bad English 🫠) So, I have a few thoughts: 1) Even though I usually lean more towards the theory of "MikeRunaway" and him being lured by Golden Freddy for reasons, I will admit that the Shadows would technically be more associated with the whole "leading people to places" thing. However, Mike's attitude towards CC before the bite doesn't really match the one displayed by the couch guy, so I'm kind of on the fence about this idea. 2) To add to the idea of Max's death being in some way related to Shadow Freddy and CC beyond what you already brought up, there is also the fact that in FNAF 4 we see Fredbear and Spring Bonnie casting shadows similar to the one shown when Freddy bites Max. (This detail in the FNAF 4 dinner could also technically be another way to tie the two original animatronics to the Shadows.) 3) I believe the happiest day kids are in the FNAF 6 pizzeria, after all, the MCI kids only move on at the end of that game, and I believe that the minigame shows the ghosts depicted as gray, while the other kids are in color, to show that they are having that "birthday party" in a real location while no one can see them. Sure, this may sound impossible since they should only be able to move on after the whole place is caught on fire, but my personal theory (unless this has already been brought up by someone else) is that the main area of the pizzeria was protected from the "fire", since during the game and at the beginning of Henry's speech it is depicted as a big square in the middle of the vent map, only for it to disappear when Henry says "you don't even realize that you are trapped." The vents and some other areas from the location are most likely some sort of "oven", while the main pizzeria is still a "normal" pizza place. So once all of the animatronics were already destroyed, the ghosts went to the dining area, where we saw the events of the happiest day minigame happen. There is a lot more to my theory, and it also has a few holes which could be explained to an extent, but that would be too much for a single UA-cam comment, maybe some day I could make a video or something to talk about it, who knows. On a completely unrelated note, that Freddy plushie in your avatar's desk looks adorable, maybe you could have a thing in your videos where it randomly moves around doing random shenanigans like the knockoff Cassie plush from the JTop interview :P (just an idea lol) (Thank you for reading this incoherent rambling 👍)
Don’t forget, BB does actually lead to at least one person to mutilate himself in the books. … *Lucky Boy/“Sergio’s Lucky Day”* So Agony can still explain Shadow BB/LB.
17:47 another fnaf youtuber called sire squawks has a similar theory and that the thing that was in the box was the mask for dave as everyone (really only the 3 bullies and his brother) were wearing masks except for him and happiest day is about having a party for the kid that was crying and had no mask
Wow, yeah! This is it, it all fits. I'm genuinely surprised it all makes sense. I've been in the fnaf fandom since fnaf 1, and it's nice to see all these loose ends get tied up, even if it feels like part od the mysterious air is lost with it. I hope most theorists see this so we can continue moving forward and solve more mysteries using the framework you built here!
If you look closely you can see that it’s not actually the photo that causes the visceral motion it’s actually just the dads hand hitting pit Bonnie’s face when being pulled into the pit, at least that’s what I saw when seeing that scene
14:43 what freack are you talking about id? there are litarelly 5 kids in the save them minigame NOT 6 like where is the sixth dead kid you are reffering to?
Shadow Freddy to me is just a suit that William used. Explaining why Nightmare in PS has the same lines as Springtrap from SD. Shadow Bonnie's lore in SD kinda does feel different from canon.
As I understand it, the events in which the shadows are connected are: Shadow Freddy: Cassidy's death (Springlock failure) or The Bite of 83 Shadow Bonnie: DCI Shadow Mangle: The Bite of 87 Shadow Puppet: Charlie's death Shadow Cupcakes: Susie's death Shadow Ballon Boy: ??? Shadow Dee Dee: William Afton's UCN torture Pit Bonnie: MCI For most of the Shadows, there are events that can be the cause of it's existence, except for Shadow Ballon Boy
8:09 speaking of the “not-so missing children’s incident”, I think the sixth kid is Charlie, and I think he killed Garret in this timeline since we see garret’s plane, meaning that this game is the agony Afton caused thru all the FNaF timelines, which is fitting, as it was a celebration for the 10th anniversary. Thoughts?
I always thought Into the Pit’s ball pit isn’t even time traveling but instead it’s making you walk through and see everything that the missing children had remembered, perceived, and imagined. They remember that they were murdered in 1985. They perceived William in the Spring Bonnie suit was a demonic monster. And they imagined that their dead bodies were shown publicly by William.
@@IDsFantasyHey ID, there’s a FNaF theory that isn’t to well known but the implications it has for the lore and story of FNaF are very interesting and the evidence that backs it up are pretty valid. But I think you and other well known theorist should take a look into this theory and see if it’s worth considering. The theory video is called “The FNaF Year Everyone Forgot About” by ImmenseAndrew.
@@IDsFantasyHey ID, there’s a FNaF theory that isn’t to well known but the implications it has for the lore and story of FNaF are very interesting and the evidence that backs it up are pretty valid. But I think you and other well known theorist should take a look into this theory and see if it’s worth considering. The theory video is called “The FNaF Year Everyone Forgot About” by ImmenseAndrew.
I mean, that's not even a theory, that's just what it is canonically. The Ballpit was confirmed later in Frights to not be an actual time travel machine, it's just haunted by the Missing Children's memories
Great video but when it comes to the stitchwarth i see it more as a puppet/ennard parallel for the puppet they’re both posses by a sprit that wanted to help the sprits be free and Jake has more connections with Charlie such as having a father that cared for them,having a toy/doll to keep them company. In the books Charlie has Ella and Theodore and in the games she has the puppet which she ended up possessing. Connections to Ennard um there is more than one spirit possessing it, and it is made out of two objects that were already possessed prior to its creation/birthed but other then that,HD being for the BV and the logbook thing,I agree with the rest
@@IDsFantasy YW, also what if the shadow is actually One entity,but just like ghosts, they also have the power to copy themselves or duplicate themselves?
The shadow animatronics have always been one of the most confusing part of Fnaf for me, since they show up so little but yet seem so important and I’ve always wondered how exactly they fit into the timeline. All this to say that I like this theory on how the shadows fit into the mess that is the fnaf universe
Or, hear me out… They’re just hallucinations? Occum’s razor, people. I think Scott wanted to add creepy hallucinations into the games but only went halfway for fnaf 2, unsure whether to make it a full feature. When the community picked up on it, he ran with the idea, and now we have the phantoms in fnaf 3. And maybe he’s trying to tie up his own loose ends now, almost 10 years later, by trying to do something with the shadows, but honestly I don’t care enough to look deeply into it. As you said, most of them aren’t even in the real world. And the ones that are, what do they do? Like actually? What do we even see any of them do? They just stand there, in the shadows. To me, hallucinations make the most sense and we’ve probably spent the last 10 years looking too deep into it, forcing Scott to try and appease fans by giving them some meaning where there really isn’t any there. Like how embarrassing for both Scott and the community if we go on a decade long tangent about… basically nothing. But that’s just my thoughts I guess 🤷♂️
Am I the only one who believes that the multiple simultaneous springlock failure was Fazbear discovering William? I know the suits were probably discontinued before he started using them for his schemes and because Springbonnie was just chillin’ in the safe room, but since it’s the game ABOUT Springtrap and it predates Crying Child… idk. Some finagling might have to be done, but it’s my personal theory.
I agree with everything, also congrats on your sponsor. I personally have a theory that the seemless retcon Scott did was William killing Charlie while wearing a suit and that can be why Shadow Bonnie is in the form of a rabbit. What if he was wearing a custom SpringBonnie suit like Glitchtrap has a design based off of. It would make sense as he would need a disguise as: To not confirm him as the Charlie's killer Why green guy says that he cannot let him in the way he does as he might think he was using the costume to disguise himself and he may know who William is and what he does. Basic way to not leave evidence like fingerprints as well as to make Charlie not know who he was at the time to basically guarantee she wouldn't try to leave and coincidently think he's a working employee on a break who can let her back in. And since Charlie died in 1983 he couldn't bring a Springlock animatronic to wear out of the restaurant as the rain would damage the suit, they would still be in use and people would definitely see him leave with an animatronic. Ik him driving in a disguise is a weird thought but if someone saw his face at all then he would of been caught and why would his family question him wearing a suit when he works at a children's entertainment establishment. What do you think because I find it as a good way to rap up the only unexplained bit of MNM since we know it's the story of William's bad family dynamics
I THINK I SOLVED IT Shadow bonnies design is different to toy bonnies due to the teeth and shadow Freddy has golden freddys design but golden Freddy is also fredbear and shadow bonnie could be spring bonnie and shadow Freddy and bonnie could be agony creations of the crying child's memories Shadow DD could be the agony infestation of Cassidy in Williams mind plus animatronics like DD are called balloon KIDS and Cassidy was a kid and the reason this is separate from the other missing kids is because the ending of UCN was actually Cassidy getting springlocked when she died in 1985 Shadow BB is a balloon kid meaning it was a missing kid but during the fnaf 3 mini game there's a tree like the ending of fnaf 6 but the graves by the tree are replaced by shadow BBs crying so I think this adds up to all of the other missing kids Shadow puppet is the agony of Charlie's death it's obvious And shadow mangle is the agony from the bite of 87
15:02 The phone calls take place during the summertime as it says on the first night 'New summer job' but the game actually takes place in November, possibly 4-6 months later so the children in the FNAF 2 location are already dead by the time we are playing
Do you think there's any significance to there being a cardboard cutout of RWQFSFASXC (and Ennard, actually) in Security Breach? Does that mean they don't really exist as actual entities within the universe of FNaF (similar to HW retconning the original series of games as in-universe games within the canon), or do they exist to SOME extent, where Fazbear Entertainment is using them to make light of and cover up a real incident? I'm curious. I don't really see people talk about the cardboard cutouts, but could there be some implications there?
@@YoBoyNeptune I don't exactly think that's the case? The events of the games did take place in-universe, yes, but how much of those events can be taken at face value is up to interpretation now, as it's plainly stated that Fazbear Entertainment had the games made specifically to cover up said past events. We don't know how much of it is completely true, and how much of them were exaggerations or lies by Fazbear Entertainment. I think Help Wanted serves as a way of separating the original games from the post-Help Wanted era games, because as each game released and every time Scott had to retcon something to make something make sense or to "clarify" something, it broke the logic of previous games, in both small and huge ways. I think saying "the previous games were actually games all along!" is both a cheap yet kind of clever way to fill in the messy holes created by those hasty retcons, because if something doesn't make sense, everyone can just shrug and say, "it's not an inconsistency, it's just a lie created by Fazbear Entertainment." That's my take on it, anyway.
@@imjustsomebunny it's difficult to say since the events of post HW games don't have a strong connection to the games that came before. It has things like the fnaf 6 location but doesn't say exactly what happened there
ID I like you so much you are my favourite FNAF youtuber (excluding matpat, he's on a special placement now) and you manage to answer comments and interacts you seem to be a very friendly kind and DEDICATED person ❤ thanks for all your efforts
This makes a a lot of sense I think another person made a similar theory saying Shadow Bonnie seems to be a shepherd like Charlie and Shadow Freddy seems to have more malevolent nature like Cassidy but The crying child being Shadow Freddy makes more sense.
23:00 Oh my god… how did it just now hit me 9 years later that “I’m still here” is the same exact line we first hear from Springtrap in the FNAF 3 teasers: “I am still here.” That is honestly one of the strongest hints in the series and it connected that dumb plush to the purple guy before Scott needed to clarify with Sister Location… Honestly that link is so strong and obvious I’m confused on how I missed it or how we even needed Sister Location to double confirm this to begin with… Am I stupid?
@IDsFantasy, A question to ponder if you will. Mimic is constant being shown to have crying child (Dave afton), Circus baby (Elizabeth afton), and nightmare puppet connections. John aka Funnaff (probably spelled that wrong) already gave a good answer for baby, in the form ofmthe missing endo, but that got me thinking, WHERE IS THE FREDBEAR ENDO FROM THE BITE OF 83?! We know it was an animatronic in a suit, but we never see the endo again afterwards, and Mimic was the only endo that I know of that was active during that time. Is it possible that the Mimic was that endo?
5:40 another theory I had on Pitrap was that he was an Afton Agony-infected Funtime Bonnie. I mean, he does have lines and such on his face, and I always thought Pitrap's illusion tech was like the sound chips in Twisted Ones. Pit kid(I forgor his name💀) saw Pitrap's monstrous deeds BEFORE pitrap used his illusion discs to look like his Dad. But hey, that's just a theory...A (You already get the refrence.)
I must confess I was skeptical in the beginning of the video and when you said "agony" I was very disappointed because I always hated it, but then you pointed out many evidences that make so much sense I can't deny that your theory is right, I never thought fnaf 3 minigames as happening during other time and also never think of the static shadows in fnaf 3 minigames as "shadows" like shadow Freddy and bonnie but the cupcake moves and it makes so much sense that Shadow Bonnie being Charlie's agony to deliver the final cake to CC just as we see her doing in happiest day and in fnaf world dialogue (which, btw, features a suspicious pair of watching eyes in the dark, which match the color of security puppets eyes as seen in fnaf 6!)
I had a theory that Shadow Bonnie possessed Glam Bonnie to protect children from Vanny, so he was dismantled, secreting agony from Glam Bonnie to attract the Wet floor bots to possess them, so he wanders the pizzaplex, taking Vanny's unfortunate victims and placing their souls in the Wet Floor Bots (hence their crying in Ruin). Thanks for the vid, IDsFantasy!
I think instead of RXQ, it was shadow freddy born from Charlie's death, because he say to William in ucn "I am your wickedness, made of flesh" also, the reason he would look like Fredbear is because Charlie was killed infront of Fredbear's dinner and because her father(Henry) wears the other springlock suit(or at least in the silver eyes) Fredbear Edit: Shadow Freddy would turn into Nightmare because of the bite releasing so much agony, and then Nightmare mode would be Michael Afton going up against Nightmare instead of the crying child
ID's Fantasy didn't find the Shadow Stand theory. Basically, Shadow Freddy and RWQ are completly oposites to one another. Shadow Freddy is the only Shadow Animatronic while RWQ is a Bunch of Random Letters (Alongside XOR) Shadow Freddy is represented as an Withered Animatronic while RWQ is represented as a Toy Animatronic. Shadow Freddy is *EVIL* while RWQ is a Good Guy since Shadow Freddy has the phrase "I WILL EAT YOUR SOUL" while RWQ has a joke about saying his name. Shadow Freddy only has Insta Kill moves while RWQ is a Suport Characther in FNAF World. Also also, Shadow Freddy helps Afton to destroy the Classics, which we know is a trap, while RWQ has a critical role in Happiest Day. Each connects Shadow Freddy to Aftons Side (Which would explain why he only appears where William is or has some influence on it). Hence Shadow Stand. The Theory where William Afton has a Stand called Shadow Freddy. (The Theory is more serious then that but its the name because funny)
I have a Fnaf Theory with no evidence: Sammy Emily was kidnapped and tortured as an experiment by William Afton and when he was done with him he let Michael Afton do the Bite of 83 prank only for Michael to regret his actions and bring Sammy Emily to the hospital with a deactivated Funtime Freddy for emotional support only for Funtime Freddy to steal away Sammy Emily’s dead body after he went flatlining in the hospital. Only evidence I actually do have is that The Crying Child was kidnapped by William Afton in the Fnaf movie and that William Afton kidnapped Charlie Emily in the Silver Eyes trilogy, but no mention of who exactly William Afton kidnaps in Midnight Motorist because it’s implied he did kidnap someone just not really whom exactly he kidnapped. The only other evidence besides all that is of course Dittophobia (apologies for misspelling) where William Afton “supposedly” kidnapped a child named Rory and he used to the Nightmare Gas from sister location on Rory to make him hallucinate mannequins in what seems to be a bunker of some kind(what everyone thought was the Afton House). In Dittophobia it’s said Rory was in that place for over a decade, but it feels as though for The Crying Child that either the experiment was interrupted or something bad happened… I’m leaning towards the “something bad that happened” was The Bite of 1983. That’s it, that’s all I got. Have a nice day. 😅
Despite your theory is pretty cool, I still have a different answer on this question(correct me, if my theory makes no sense): 1)Shadow Freddy-well.....i guess we have a similar point. I also think that he could came from Bite of 83, with only difference that......I think Shadow Freddy isn't JUST an agony of CC. What if he is just......a CC HIMSELF? I mean.....what if despite being bitten by FredBear, Crying Child just NEVER actually possessed him(i just don't think that agony he could feel from bite is REALLY enough to possess the animatronic)? So I wanna believe that he just died right in hospital, & his ghost, created out of pure pain, sadness & sufferage, took form of shadowy apparation of FredBear. 2)Shadow Bonnie-believe that he's.....Andrew! Like....remember that Ozone's video about FFPS "Midnight Motorist" mini-game? Well, I have a similar point, but I personally thing Will could just kill Andrew right in the forest, & that strange mound we can find somewhere in the woods in the mini-game.....is actually Andrew's body being graved to hide it. So....what if Shadow Bonnie then can be a ghost of Andrew, created out of all his pure pain, wrath & hatred to William, could just take a form of shadowy apparation of SpringBonnie, as the manifestation of how that "yellow rabbit" just betrayed him, making him belive that he's his new friend, while in reality, he's a monster, even wrse then his dad. 3)The others-well.....to be honest, i don't even think they're actually exist. Like c'mon, FNaF 3 mini-games are just too symbolic, maybe their appearance are not even such important to the lore. The same with DeeDee, who can actually just turn into a shadow version of herself
I do like this theory on how the Shadow Animatronics were made, and I also do think that RWQ (or Shadow Bonnie as some people including myself call him) was made from Charlie’s agony, and I kinda believe that Charlie died after Dave, but still in 1983 and that Michael is the runaway, and that I think Shadow Freddy was made from William’s actions as I think Nightmare is Shadow Freddy and that it was Michael who went through the whole Nightmare experiment that William had created from Dave’s similar, but different nightmares that were made by Michael bullying him, and playground rumors that the animatronics eat people cause a kid saw an employee being put into a Springlocks suit in one of the back rooms of Fredbear’s, and that Scott said “What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child” and that William was kinda planning for Dave to be put into it, but he went with Michael so he won’t runaway again, so yeah, that’s what I think, but still, it’s a good theory Id
To build off a bit from your theory: if the idea of RWQ coming from Charlie and taking its appearance somewhat from William is true, maybe the inverse of that is true for Nightmarionne? The way it describes itself as “the fearful reflection of what he created”, certainly sounds like it’s an agony entity. Not only that, but it’s after UCN (or at least after the thing started) that he started showing up as plushies or staff bots. Maybe it was spawned in UCN out of Williams fear of what he made Charlie into and then either it just got out somehow or UCN really was interrupted by Glitchtrap stuff, and then it went on to haunt the pizzaplex where the last traces of Afton are? Granted, 2/3 of the newer games it appeared in either were partially virtual or may just involve Charlie herself (heck, for all we know she took on the form of nightmarionne since she’s probably lost her physical form), but still. Nightmare the animatronic is considered like semi-shadow, so one that takes his place could be the same.🤔
I have two ideas: 1. The shadows are kinda like machines. Not in a physical way but in the way they work. They seem to do basic tasks for the person who participated in their agony creation. Shadow Freddy helps William and Shadow bonnie helps the kids which also means helping Chalire. This could also be them just mimicking. 2. Dee Dee/XOR might be the agony caused by the vengeful spirit's (Cassidy in my opinion) death. Dee Dee seems to be a fisher in fnaf world and Cassidy is related to OMC and if they did actually die by drowning in a springlock suit it adds more evidence to my claim. XOR also uses similar colors to the ghost children and has control over UCN more then all the other entities present except for the vengeful spirit. (William might be a furry.)
FNAF 2 is almost w decade now and you are just figuring out who the shadows are? Im not trying to criticize or anything but honey, thats light work and something that i and probably many other fans already knew. I love your theories tho and thank you for your content. But you know, especially for anyone that is also a fan of matPat, most fans probably already know this knowledge 😅
Hey ID, there’s a FNaF theory that isn’t to well known but the implications it has for the lore and story of FNaF are very interesting and the evidence that backs it up are pretty valid. But I think you and other well known theorist should take a look into this theory and see if it’s worth considering. The theory video is called “The FNaF Year Everyone Forgot About” by ImmenseAndrew.
well, if Factor is popular enough to be sponsoring two major yt channels, then they sure do know what they're doing! GoodtimeswithScar gets sponsored by the same food company.
yooo wait since this is a good theory, it begs the question. did toy bonnie do the bite of 87? it's unlikely considering he's one of the few fnaf 2 animatronics that have not been a candidate up until this point and the whole "where's my beak? lodged in your forehead ofcourse" toy chica line. buuuuuuut, that would explain shadow bonnie.
The shadows did give me Agony vibes by description, but I always found it odd how differently the shadows act over how an Agony infused object should act The weird roaming mangle that walks around and makes strange noises, like its not properly haunted? That gave me Agony vibes for sure, and i wondered if it was an early experiment of aftons. The shadows though, seem to observe or lead places, are not being involved in attacking or wild aggression, right?
For the longest time, all by myself I started to theorize that Shadow Bonnie was a result of Charlies murder, so it’s nice to see actual professional Fnaf Theorists having the same thought process as me, and that I’m not insane! Lol. (Fairly certain I did bring that up before in the comments of this channel. But I don’t remember. Lol. I write a lot of UA-cam comments on a lot of UA-cam videos and I don’t remember a decent portion of them. Lol)
The shadow animatronics have the same face as the final boss from Persona 3 FES The Answer, Erebus. This isn’t theory crafting between two and completely different game franchises, it’s just fun to point out since Erebus is the manifestation of everyone’s fear and dread and is the Greek God of shadows and darkness.
Now we all wait for Matpat to release 3 videos (2 hours each) of his reaction to your theory. But jokes aside, I think it's one of the best recent FNaF theories, I never really noticed that FNaF 2 is so strongly connected with the Happiest Day.
Stage01 looks fascinating to me, while we see Shadow Bonnie in those minigames, we don't see Shadow Freddy, and we see Shadow Bonnie in the same place as two golden animatronics that strongly correlated with founders which makes me think that there was the third that leads me to speculate that third founder could have been creator of mimic. Tho we will see in next Fnaf secret of the mimic clues about the creation of the mimic, I still think it can create an interested theory that animatronics AI could have been developed by the third founder that created mimic AI, and he died earliest in the timeline. Sorry for a wall of text, I hope it made sense to you.
haven't finished watching so i could be saying something you already said, but the shadow anamitronics are all probably caused by the crying child and the agony he felt leading up to his death. From balloon boy being a kid with a baloon to toy bonny being a toy he saw being played with, and additionally most of the other shadow animitronics were also involved in making the happiest day mini game possible. It is highl likely that every shadow animatronic in fnaf are nightmares conjured up by the crying child.
Another great vid! I initially dismissed the "Shadow" animatronics as irrelevant. But you've changed my mind, even though I still believe they're not as important as people make them out to be.
This is really good! The only thing is the part of Charlie Emily saying “I’ll put you back together” I find it better for William to say this but that’s also bc I think cc died first but I like ur idea on the shadow animatronics I think ur right !!!
I would be curios to now what you consider to be "tangible" and what is symbolic and what you interoperate that symbolism to be. I.E towards the end where you alluded to the cake being symbolic of replacement memories to move on the spirits and end the torment.
I have a theory about the shadows too: It was proved that when you stay still for a few hours, your shadow does stay there. And we know withered golden freddy does not move at all except for when he teleports in the office, so shadow freddy could be what is left of golden freddy's body of the past (which can also relate to into the pit). I think shadow bonnie is the same thing, but I don't think it was meant to be a toy bonnie shadow but more likely a springbonnie shadow, and we know at that time afton was already dead, and since both golden freddy and springbonnie were possessed i think it can be possible that's why the shadows are active and not just dead!
Great Theory but I am Seriously confused about something. The endoskeleton is supposed to be possessed and not the suits right? If yes, then how is Golden Freddy possessed? And not only that, how are the fnaf 1 animatronics possessed since they have different endoskeletons from the fnaf 2 location.
I think it checks out, the fazbear fright books are meant to help us solve things from the past but I never felt that into the pit really solved anything, with the game released people have been theorizing about it but focus mostly in details of the game like the Freddy mask, your theory on the other hand applies to both book and game, I've seen this theory thrown around but seeing how you present it think I'm comfortable saying I think this is canon.
its just agony creatures and they are eleanor dark remnant=agony 13:33 afton creates the experiments post cc's death, to recreate how cc made the plush be possesed by agony, fear 17:32 the week before puts golden freddy not vengeful on night 6 ending 17:41 the logbook puts cassidy as the happiest day receiver
Spring Bonnie doesn't have a visceral reaction to seeing the picture, he reacts like that only after getting slapped by Oswald's dad's limp hand as Oswald flops his dad into the pit, there's a clear cartoon slap sound effect when it happens. He's actually very solemn when he sees the picture betraying the idea that there is some human consciousness still within the suit that remembers the good ol days.
i love the fact that there is an entire group of people who go back and make dissertations on small things like this that not many people think about. Modern day fnaf theorist are like scientist from the 18-1900. Fnaf is just its own field of science at this point
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CORRECTION - There are 5 bodies in FNAF 2, I had just heard six so many times and miscounted when looking myself. However, I do still think the fact that the other kids are in color instead of greyed out in Happiest Day implies they aren't spirits. Sorry!
What do you guys think it going on with the Shadow animatronics?
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Is that the pendulum from To Be Beautiful and Frailty?… ARE YOU A SPAGHETTI???..🍝 (um also grate theory 🧀)
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After all these years, I finally have the shadow animatronics video
I solved is in the title you know it’s serious
Especially since I really don't like putting "solved" in a title unless I think I actually solved something lol
@@IDsFantasyI solved replying to IDsFantasy in the comments
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@@IDsFantasy this is a very rare trait
7:24 Agony, YEAH!
24:49 Yup. DD LOVES to torture people.
Oh, and you're getting sponsors now! YAAAY (that makes me happy, cause it means things are improving for the channel).
jessie pinkman is a fnaf fan???
Engage that diaphragm!
3:23 I've been a fnaf fan since 2016 and I've never seen shadow cupcake in chica's party that's wild
Yeah, I was only able to find the one clip of it XD
@@IDsFantasy this could be an opportunity for a short
“What’s seen as shadows can easily be misunderstood in the mind of a child” -Scott Cawthon
Again, i think i already said this in a past video, but i still think Shadow Freddy and Nightmare are manifestations of Afton's wickedness, Nightmare refers to himself as such in UCN, and the Follow Me minigame is a recreation of the Missing Children incident, which strongly implies that he as a connection to Afton just by luring the animatronics jus like Spring Bonnie lured the children, still, it's a great video an your work is amazing.
I 100% agree with you
In a way being Agony entities still works for that. They only exist because of William's wicked actions
I actually disagree with this since nightmare line in ucn can be interpreted to different things it doesn’t mean it’s afton agony
@@glitchdragonmasterdxd17th19..so one line _potentially_ being able to mean something else invalidates the whole theory? Shouldnt literally zero things in this series make sense with this mindset?
Finally someone covers these. It’s been a while.
Yep!
It's funny, how everyone just forget the fact, that RWQFSFASXC decodes as "persisting".
I actually hadn't heard about that
How so?
It's almost certainly a coincidence. The website used to decode it can get pretty much any word from any combination of letters. Shadow Bonnie has a different name in FNAF 3's files and that translates to Romeo, which doesn't seem to line up with anything. Additionally, all of the letters in Shadow Bonnie's name are in roughly the same area on a keyboard, meaning Scott very likely just keyboard smashed.
Hilarious
Out of curiosity, did anyone ever find a way to pronounce that, other than spelling it out? I assume not, since Shadow Bonnie seemed to be taunting us over that.
FINALY
the prophecy is true
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If the MCI victims are put to rest in Happiest Day, could MoltenMCI be MoltenDCI?
Interesting idea
Or it's MCI, and Happiest Day takes place during/after FNAF 6.
That's definitely what I think, it makes all the hints of Molten MCI make sense whilst not removing the impact of FNAF 3
No it couldn't. HappiestDay happens after FNAF 6. Henry confirms countless times that the og 5 kids are still trapped in FNAF 6, the DCI are never brought up at all
I thought current line was that happiest day is not necessarily the canon ending of fnaf 3, just as princess quest is not the true canon ending of security breach (not by itself as shown pre-ruin at least, we know that parts of at least one other ending also had to happen)
She actually finished the video. What do we joke about now? 😢
Me finishing my Security Breach playthrough
I think the reason shadow bonnie shows up as a form of toy bonnie is possibly because toy bonnie possibly has a mechanical part or something inside him that was from the event(s) of the past,he may have a peice of metal from the spring bonnie suit since there was agony tied to it cause william died in it or spring bonnie has a peice that holds agony from a child that may have died like a peice of metal with old dried blood on it possibly
Interesting
But shadow bonnies design is a little different from toy bonnie where toy bonnie was only 2 front teeth and shadow bonnies has more
It's finally here! We've been waiting!
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2:28 AGONY! yeeeeEEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!
I don't think I've ever been this early before
Same here
11:49 Weirdly enough I'd like to add that the "Malhare" Abomination we see in Princess Quest looks very similar to XQC just in a more mutated and sploogy kinda way 😂
I'd like to share my thoughts on what I think the Shadow animatronics are. To start, I don't think it's exactly fair to refer to Shadow Freddy & RXQ as part of the same group, since, outside of being shadowy figures, there are no connections between the two. "Shadow Bonnie" is just a fandom name. His canon name is & always has been that random jumble of letters. I'm mentioning this now because I believe Shadow Freddy & RXQ have two completely different origins.
Getting into that, I personally believe Shadow Freddy is the Crying Child. Like, that Shadow Freddy isn't just made from CC's agony, but that he is literally CC's spirit. My primary reason for believing this is the fact that CC is a 2nd spirit in Golden Freddy at all. Why? Is it just so he can be Golden Freddy? We already have Cassidy for that. That's where Shadow Freddy comes in, for he is a character with several connections to Golden Freddy, as you mentioned in the video. As for why Shadow Freddy specifically, that could be why Nightmare, a character internally labelled as "Shadow Freddy," is the final boss of FNaF4, which is a game that centers around CC's trauma. Nightmare also says in UCN that "The Shadow fears [him]," which "the Shadow" being CC would explain well for obvious reasons.
As for RXQ, I do believe he's an agony being, but not from Charlie's death. I think RXQ is a being made of the MCI's agony, primarily because he's a shadow version of Spring Bonnie. As a believer of StitchlineGames, since Eleanor is implied to be made of MCI agony as well, that could imply Eleanor & RXQ are the same entity. But, that remains to be seen. I mainly just like the idea of RXQ being at least something of relevance, especially if I'm right in saying Shadow Freddy is CC, who got an entire game for his origin story.
These are only my thoughts, of course. Just wanted to throw them out there.
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I really love this and I already figured as well that RXQ would be all of the MCI however even tho I like the theory of shadow Freddy being CC I don't understand how it could be because in FNAF 3, the minigame: follow me, shadow Freddy lures the animatronics in to get dismantled by William Afton. I don't think CC would do that since those were kids. Idk 😐 what do you have to say about it?
@@deeannalynn0805 Well, like ID suggested in the video, it's possible Shadow Freddy was doing it to release the souls so they could all get their collective revenge on Afton.
super random thought, but if the shadow's appearences are based off of associations of the person (like william with spring bonnie), then it wouldn't be too far fetched to say they can also change their appearence to whatever is around them, hence why they look like toy bonnie and golden freddy, there's absolutely no proof of this being true but i randomly thought of that while watching the video 😭😭
Finally the long awaited "Shadow Animatronic video" that I've seen repeatedly mentioned over and over again your community tab
Yeah XD
So follow me freddy isnt just william afton using sound illusion discs
I don't think he is anyway
If only in school they taught:
"Solve for ___ in FNAF."
I am convinced that Dave is the name of the crying child.
Ok but like the pronunciation on Shadow Bonnie's official name though 💀💀 that must've taken like 15 tries
Glitchtrap is also a shadow animatronic.
In Princess Quest 1, he is represented as big dark agony rabbit who uses his Eleanor-like tentacles to attack the Princess. He has a purple outline, and also can create shadow manifestations of his own.
Tell me, did Mimic, by chance, have THAT amout of agony in the series? I think not. "Mimic is Glitchtrap" disproved, maybe. I know it's not about Mimic, but Shadow Glitchtrap is very interesting to research. Also, he has purple remnant that also surrounds Glitchtrap plush and Vanny mask in Princess Quest 3, which is also interesting.
It's not a FNAF theory without something like I SOLVED FNAF for the 45th time in the title😂
Very interested to see how the shadows play out in the movie (if they actually show up at all lol)
Max being in a purple suit isn't enough for me to think the shadows exist in the movie. However, there was that unlisted teaser video we found that I believe showed shadow Freddy for a few seconds at one point
Yeah!
Yay it’s here!!!
Indeed!
Thank you for this video. Just got cell service back after Hellene came through my area. Won’t have power until October 5th. It was nice getting a video from my favorite creator when I could finally get online.
No problem! I'm glad it seems you got through the storm okay! Thanks for watching :D
I had always gone with the theory that they're employees who've gotten springlocked and had their bodies removed thus why they're shadows and the lack of knowledge about them being why they're black with no color, and why they help the player free the spirits with william getting springlocked being an unexpected event resulting from he angry spirits
Although this hinges on the FNAF 3 phone call about the simultaneous springlock failures not being retconned into something else in a similar manner to FNAF 4 and the fear gas.
I do wonder wonder if the shadow animatronics will appear in a more prominent role or if they've played their part in the story and will be nothing more than references like cardboard cutouts in HW and SB
EXACTLY, i've always interpreted them as the spirits of the springlocked employees that no longer have a proper costume or host to cling to. They seem self aware enough but also don't play a prominent role in the murders that happened throughout the franchise because it never rlly felt like they were apart of it in the first place? They also aren't actively vengeful and seem to be fairly passive compared to the other characters, its also just so interesting too
My reaction as soon as I saw the notification: FINALLY SOMETHING TO WATCH THAT ISN’T A 100 DAY MINECRAFT PLAY THROUGH!
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My personal theory is that the Shadow Animatronics are infact just creatures that show up when it'd be funny to confuse people. What kind of creatures? Not important
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(Sorry in advance for the possibly bad English 🫠)
So, I have a few thoughts:
1) Even though I usually lean more towards the theory of "MikeRunaway" and him being lured by Golden Freddy for reasons, I will admit that the Shadows would technically be more associated with the whole "leading people to places" thing. However, Mike's attitude towards CC before the bite doesn't really match the one displayed by the couch guy, so I'm kind of on the fence about this idea.
2) To add to the idea of Max's death being in some way related to Shadow Freddy and CC beyond what you already brought up, there is also the fact that in FNAF 4 we see Fredbear and Spring Bonnie casting shadows similar to the one shown when Freddy bites Max.
(This detail in the FNAF 4 dinner could also technically be another way to tie the two original animatronics to the Shadows.)
3) I believe the happiest day kids are in the FNAF 6 pizzeria, after all, the MCI kids only move on at the end of that game, and I believe that the minigame shows the ghosts depicted as gray, while the other kids are in color, to show that they are having that "birthday party" in a real location while no one can see them. Sure, this may sound impossible since they should only be able to move on after the whole place is caught on fire, but my personal theory (unless this has already been brought up by someone else) is that the main area of the pizzeria was protected from the "fire", since during the game and at the beginning of Henry's speech it is depicted as a big square in the middle of the vent map, only for it to disappear when Henry says "you don't even realize that you are trapped." The vents and some other areas from the location are most likely some sort of "oven", while the main pizzeria is still a "normal" pizza place.
So once all of the animatronics were already destroyed, the ghosts went to the dining area, where we saw the events of the happiest day minigame happen.
There is a lot more to my theory, and it also has a few holes which could be explained to an extent, but that would be too much for a single UA-cam comment, maybe some day I could make a video or something to talk about it, who knows.
On a completely unrelated note, that Freddy plushie in your avatar's desk looks adorable, maybe you could have a thing in your videos where it randomly moves around doing random shenanigans like the knockoff Cassie plush from the JTop interview :P (just an idea lol)
(Thank you for reading this incoherent rambling 👍)
Don’t forget, BB does actually lead to at least one person to mutilate himself in the books.
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*Lucky Boy/“Sergio’s Lucky Day”*
So Agony can still explain Shadow BB/LB.
17:47 another fnaf youtuber called sire squawks has a similar theory and that the thing that was in the box was the mask for dave as everyone (really only the 3 bullies and his brother) were wearing masks except for him and happiest day is about having a party for the kid that was crying and had no mask
Wow, yeah! This is it, it all fits. I'm genuinely surprised it all makes sense. I've been in the fnaf fandom since fnaf 1, and it's nice to see all these loose ends get tied up, even if it feels like part od the mysterious air is lost with it.
I hope most theorists see this so we can continue moving forward and solve more mysteries using the framework you built here!
If you look closely you can see that it’s not actually the photo that causes the visceral motion it’s actually just the dads hand hitting pit Bonnie’s face when being pulled into the pit, at least that’s what I saw when seeing that scene
I would love a theory that only involves the first 4 games and nothing else. No books. No movie. Just the games.
he's here he's there he's everywhere, who ya gonna call, RWQFSFASXC
14:43 what freack are you talking about id? there are litarelly 5 kids in the save them minigame NOT 6 like where is the sixth dead kid you are reffering to?
I miscounted/crossed wires, and I've already put a correction in the pinned comment
Also there are 6 blood puddles, which has lead to the common theory that there were 6. Totally valid to point out though
@@IDsFantasy it’s also pretty note worthy that there are only 5 bodies lol
5 kids and 1 dog
HYP3
Is it peak? can it be peak? Its so peak!!!! 💪
How many takes did it take to get RWQFSFAXC correctly?
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@@IDsFantasy btw do you not subscribe to the FNAF sound discs theory? you mention Nightmare as if he was shadow freddy which contradicts the theory
1:45 shadow WHAT?
Shadow Freddy to me is just a suit that William used. Explaining why Nightmare in PS has the same lines as Springtrap from SD. Shadow Bonnie's lore in SD kinda does feel different from canon.
As I understand it, the events in which the shadows are connected are:
Shadow Freddy: Cassidy's death (Springlock failure) or The Bite of 83
Shadow Bonnie: DCI
Shadow Mangle: The Bite of 87
Shadow Puppet: Charlie's death
Shadow Cupcakes: Susie's death
Shadow Ballon Boy: ???
Shadow Dee Dee: William Afton's UCN torture
Pit Bonnie: MCI
For most of the Shadows, there are events that can be the cause of it's existence, except for Shadow Ballon Boy
The Crying Child is not Cassidy.
8:09 speaking of the “not-so missing children’s incident”, I think the sixth kid is Charlie, and I think he killed Garret in this timeline since we see garret’s plane, meaning that this game is the agony Afton caused thru all the FNaF timelines, which is fitting, as it was a celebration for the 10th anniversary. Thoughts?
I don't think it makes sense to lump Charlie in with the MCI kids personally, but it's an interesting idea
I always thought Into the Pit’s ball pit isn’t even time traveling but instead it’s making you walk through and see everything that the missing children had remembered, perceived, and imagined.
They remember that they were murdered in 1985. They perceived William in the Spring Bonnie suit was a demonic monster. And they imagined that their dead bodies were shown publicly by William.
Interesting
@@IDsFantasyHey ID, there’s a FNaF theory that isn’t to well known but the implications it has for the lore and story of FNaF are very interesting and the evidence that backs it up are pretty valid. But I think you and other well known theorist should take a look into this theory and see if it’s worth considering. The theory video is called “The FNaF Year Everyone Forgot About” by ImmenseAndrew.
@@IDsFantasyHey ID, there’s a FNaF theory that isn’t to well known but the implications it has for the lore and story of FNaF are very interesting and the evidence that backs it up are pretty valid. But I think you and other well known theorist should take a look into this theory and see if it’s worth considering. The theory video is called “The FNaF Year Everyone Forgot About” by ImmenseAndrew.
I mean, that's not even a theory, that's just what it is canonically. The Ballpit was confirmed later in Frights to not be an actual time travel machine, it's just haunted by the Missing Children's memories
WOW, JUST... WOW. Girl do you breathe sometimes while recording? 😅😅😅
Don't worry, I just edit it out lol
4:14 The dishes in The back XD
Oh, ID got herself a sponsor! About time!
Great video but when it comes to the stitchwarth i see it more as a puppet/ennard parallel for the puppet they’re both posses by a sprit that wanted to help the sprits be free and Jake has more connections with Charlie such as having a father that cared for them,having a toy/doll to keep them company. In the books Charlie has Ella and Theodore and in the games she has the puppet which she ended up possessing. Connections to Ennard um there is more than one spirit possessing it, and it is made out of two objects that were already possessed prior to its creation/birthed but other then that,HD being for the BV and the logbook thing,I agree with the rest
Thanks!
@@IDsFantasy YW, also what if the shadow is actually One entity,but just like ghosts, they also have the power to copy themselves or duplicate themselves?
The shadow animatronics have always been one of the most confusing part of Fnaf for me, since they show up so little but yet seem so important and I’ve always wondered how exactly they fit into the timeline. All this to say that I like this theory on how the shadows fit into the mess that is the fnaf universe
Or, hear me out… They’re just hallucinations? Occum’s razor, people. I think Scott wanted to add creepy hallucinations into the games but only went halfway for fnaf 2, unsure whether to make it a full feature. When the community picked up on it, he ran with the idea, and now we have the phantoms in fnaf 3.
And maybe he’s trying to tie up his own loose ends now, almost 10 years later, by trying to do something with the shadows, but honestly I don’t care enough to look deeply into it. As you said, most of them aren’t even in the real world. And the ones that are, what do they do? Like actually? What do we even see any of them do? They just stand there, in the shadows.
To me, hallucinations make the most sense and we’ve probably spent the last 10 years looking too deep into it, forcing Scott to try and appease fans by giving them some meaning where there really isn’t any there. Like how embarrassing for both Scott and the community if we go on a decade long tangent about… basically nothing. But that’s just my thoughts I guess 🤷♂️
I had always thought fnaf 3 explained their purpose. They were there to help the missing children incident victims to move on.
Just casually saying shadow bonnie's full real name with zero slips or hesitation is absolutely insane
Am I the only one who believes that the multiple simultaneous springlock failure was Fazbear discovering William? I know the suits were probably discontinued before he started using them for his schemes and because Springbonnie was just chillin’ in the safe room, but since it’s the game ABOUT Springtrap and it predates Crying Child… idk. Some finagling might have to be done, but it’s my personal theory.
I agree with everything, also congrats on your sponsor.
I personally have a theory that the seemless retcon Scott did was William killing Charlie while wearing a suit and that can be why Shadow Bonnie is in the form of a rabbit. What if he was wearing a custom SpringBonnie suit like Glitchtrap has a design based off of. It would make sense as he would need a disguise as:
To not confirm him as the Charlie's killer
Why green guy says that he cannot let him in the way he does as he might think he was using the costume to disguise himself and he may know who William is and what he does.
Basic way to not leave evidence like fingerprints as well as to make Charlie not know who he was at the time to basically guarantee she wouldn't try to leave and coincidently think he's a working employee on a break who can let her back in.
And since Charlie died in 1983 he couldn't bring a Springlock animatronic to wear out of the restaurant as the rain would damage the suit, they would still be in use and people would definitely see him leave with an animatronic.
Ik him driving in a disguise is a weird thought but if someone saw his face at all then he would of been caught and why would his family question him wearing a suit when he works at a children's entertainment establishment.
What do you think because I find it as a good way to rap up the only unexplained bit of MNM since we know it's the story of William's bad family dynamics
I THINK I SOLVED IT
Shadow bonnies design is different to toy bonnies due to the teeth and shadow Freddy has golden freddys design but golden Freddy is also fredbear and shadow bonnie could be spring bonnie and shadow Freddy and bonnie could be agony creations of the crying child's memories
Shadow DD could be the agony infestation of Cassidy in Williams mind plus animatronics like DD are called balloon KIDS and Cassidy was a kid and the reason this is separate from the other missing kids is because the ending of UCN was actually Cassidy getting springlocked when she died in 1985
Shadow BB is a balloon kid meaning it was a missing kid but during the fnaf 3 mini game there's a tree like the ending of fnaf 6 but the graves by the tree are replaced by shadow BBs crying so I think this adds up to all of the other missing kids
Shadow puppet is the agony of Charlie's death it's obvious
And shadow mangle is the agony from the bite of 87
15:02 The phone calls take place during the summertime as it says on the first night 'New summer job' but the game actually takes place in November, possibly 4-6 months later so the children in the FNAF 2 location are already dead by the time we are playing
Do you think there's any significance to there being a cardboard cutout of RWQFSFASXC (and Ennard, actually) in Security Breach?
Does that mean they don't really exist as actual entities within the universe of FNaF (similar to HW retconning the original series of games as in-universe games within the canon), or do they exist to SOME extent, where Fazbear Entertainment is using them to make light of and cover up a real incident?
I'm curious. I don't really see people talk about the cardboard cutouts, but could there be some implications there?
As I understand it HW established that the games exist in universe and portray real events as they happened
@@YoBoyNeptune I don't exactly think that's the case? The events of the games did take place in-universe, yes, but how much of those events can be taken at face value is up to interpretation now, as it's plainly stated that Fazbear Entertainment had the games made specifically to cover up said past events. We don't know how much of it is completely true, and how much of them were exaggerations or lies by Fazbear Entertainment.
I think Help Wanted serves as a way of separating the original games from the post-Help Wanted era games, because as each game released and every time Scott had to retcon something to make something make sense or to "clarify" something, it broke the logic of previous games, in both small and huge ways. I think saying "the previous games were actually games all along!" is both a cheap yet kind of clever way to fill in the messy holes created by those hasty retcons, because if something doesn't make sense, everyone can just shrug and say, "it's not an inconsistency, it's just a lie created by Fazbear Entertainment."
That's my take on it, anyway.
@@imjustsomebunny it's difficult to say since the events of post HW games don't have a strong connection to the games that came before. It has things like the fnaf 6 location but doesn't say exactly what happened there
the thumbnail for this video looks super good 💕
ID I like you so much you are my favourite FNAF youtuber (excluding matpat, he's on a special placement now) and you manage to answer comments and interacts you seem to be a very friendly kind and DEDICATED person ❤ thanks for all your efforts
This makes a a lot of sense I think another person made a similar theory saying Shadow Bonnie seems to be a shepherd like Charlie and Shadow Freddy seems to have more malevolent nature like Cassidy but The crying child being Shadow Freddy makes more sense.
23:00
Oh my god… how did it just now hit me 9 years later that “I’m still here” is the same exact line we first hear from Springtrap in the FNAF 3 teasers: “I am still here.”
That is honestly one of the strongest hints in the series and it connected that dumb plush to the purple guy before Scott needed to clarify with Sister Location…
Honestly that link is so strong and obvious I’m confused on how I missed it or how we even needed Sister Location to double confirm this to begin with…
Am I stupid?
@IDsFantasy, A question to ponder if you will. Mimic is constant being shown to have crying child (Dave afton), Circus baby (Elizabeth afton), and nightmare puppet connections. John aka Funnaff (probably spelled that wrong) already gave a good answer for baby, in the form ofmthe missing endo, but that got me thinking, WHERE IS THE FREDBEAR ENDO FROM THE BITE OF 83?! We know it was an animatronic in a suit, but we never see the endo again afterwards, and Mimic was the only endo that I know of that was active during that time. Is it possible that the Mimic was that endo?
5:40 another theory I had on Pitrap was that he was an Afton Agony-infected Funtime Bonnie. I mean, he does have lines and such on his face, and I always thought Pitrap's illusion tech was like the sound chips in Twisted Ones. Pit kid(I forgor his name💀) saw Pitrap's monstrous deeds BEFORE pitrap used his illusion discs to look like his Dad. But hey, that's just a theory...A (You already get the refrence.)
I must confess I was skeptical in the beginning of the video and when you said "agony" I was very disappointed because I always hated it, but then you pointed out many evidences that make so much sense I can't deny that your theory is right, I never thought fnaf 3 minigames as happening during other time and also never think of the static shadows in fnaf 3 minigames as "shadows" like shadow Freddy and bonnie but the cupcake moves and it makes so much sense that Shadow Bonnie being Charlie's agony to deliver the final cake to CC just as we see her doing in happiest day and in fnaf world dialogue (which, btw, features a suspicious pair of watching eyes in the dark, which match the color of security puppets eyes as seen in fnaf 6!)
I had a theory that Shadow Bonnie possessed Glam Bonnie to protect children from Vanny, so he was dismantled, secreting agony from Glam Bonnie to attract the Wet floor bots to possess them, so he wanders the pizzaplex, taking Vanny's unfortunate victims and placing their souls in the Wet Floor Bots (hence their crying in Ruin). Thanks for the vid, IDsFantasy!
I think instead of RXQ, it was shadow freddy born from Charlie's death, because he say to William in ucn "I am your wickedness, made of flesh" also, the reason he would look like Fredbear is because Charlie was killed infront of Fredbear's dinner and because her father(Henry) wears the other springlock suit(or at least in the silver eyes) Fredbear
Edit: Shadow Freddy would turn into Nightmare because of the bite releasing so much agony, and then Nightmare mode would be Michael Afton going up against Nightmare instead of the crying child
ID's Fantasy didn't find the Shadow Stand theory.
Basically, Shadow Freddy and RWQ are completly oposites to one another.
Shadow Freddy is the only Shadow Animatronic while RWQ is a Bunch of Random Letters (Alongside XOR)
Shadow Freddy is represented as an Withered Animatronic while RWQ is represented as a Toy Animatronic.
Shadow Freddy is *EVIL* while RWQ is a Good Guy since Shadow Freddy has the phrase "I WILL EAT YOUR SOUL" while RWQ has a joke about saying his name. Shadow Freddy only has Insta Kill moves while RWQ is a Suport Characther in FNAF World.
Also also, Shadow Freddy helps Afton to destroy the Classics, which we know is a trap, while RWQ has a critical role in Happiest Day. Each connects Shadow Freddy to Aftons Side (Which would explain why he only appears where William is or has some influence on it).
Hence Shadow Stand. The Theory where William Afton has a Stand called Shadow Freddy. (The Theory is more serious then that but its the name because funny)
I have a Fnaf Theory with no evidence: Sammy Emily was kidnapped and tortured as an experiment by William Afton and when he was done with him he let Michael Afton do the Bite of 83 prank only for Michael to regret his actions and bring Sammy Emily to the hospital with a deactivated Funtime Freddy for emotional support only for Funtime Freddy to steal away Sammy Emily’s dead body after he went flatlining in the hospital.
Only evidence I actually do have is that The Crying Child was kidnapped by William Afton in the Fnaf movie and that William Afton kidnapped Charlie Emily in the Silver Eyes trilogy, but no mention of who exactly William Afton kidnaps in Midnight Motorist because it’s implied he did kidnap someone just not really whom exactly he kidnapped. The only other evidence besides all that is of course Dittophobia (apologies for misspelling) where William Afton “supposedly” kidnapped a child named Rory and he used to the Nightmare Gas from sister location on Rory to make him hallucinate mannequins in what seems to be a bunker of some kind(what everyone thought was the Afton House). In Dittophobia it’s said Rory was in that place for over a decade, but it feels as though for The Crying Child that either the experiment was interrupted or something bad happened… I’m leaning towards the “something bad that happened” was The Bite of 1983. That’s it, that’s all I got. Have a nice day. 😅
Despite your theory is pretty cool, I still have a different answer on this question(correct me, if my theory makes no sense):
1)Shadow Freddy-well.....i guess we have a similar point. I also think that he could came from Bite of 83, with only difference that......I think Shadow Freddy isn't JUST an agony of CC. What if he is just......a CC HIMSELF? I mean.....what if despite being bitten by FredBear, Crying Child just NEVER actually possessed him(i just don't think that agony he could feel from bite is REALLY enough to possess the animatronic)? So I wanna believe that he just died right in hospital, & his ghost, created out of pure pain, sadness & sufferage, took form of shadowy apparation of FredBear.
2)Shadow Bonnie-believe that he's.....Andrew! Like....remember that Ozone's video about FFPS "Midnight Motorist" mini-game? Well, I have a similar point, but I personally thing Will could just kill Andrew right in the forest, & that strange mound we can find somewhere in the woods in the mini-game.....is actually Andrew's body being graved to hide it. So....what if Shadow Bonnie then can be a ghost of Andrew, created out of all his pure pain, wrath & hatred to William, could just take a form of shadowy apparation of SpringBonnie, as the manifestation of how that "yellow rabbit" just betrayed him, making him belive that he's his new friend, while in reality, he's a monster, even wrse then his dad.
3)The others-well.....to be honest, i don't even think they're actually exist. Like c'mon, FNaF 3 mini-games are just too symbolic, maybe their appearance are not even such important to the lore. The same with DeeDee, who can actually just turn into a shadow version of herself
I do like this theory on how the Shadow Animatronics were made, and I also do think that RWQ (or Shadow Bonnie as some people including myself call him) was made from Charlie’s agony, and I kinda believe that Charlie died after Dave, but still in 1983 and that Michael is the runaway, and that I think Shadow Freddy was made from William’s actions as I think Nightmare is Shadow Freddy and that it was Michael who went through the whole Nightmare experiment that William had created from Dave’s similar, but different nightmares that were made by Michael bullying him, and playground rumors that the animatronics eat people cause a kid saw an employee being put into a Springlocks suit in one of the back rooms of Fredbear’s, and that Scott said “What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child” and that William was kinda planning for Dave to be put into it, but he went with Michael so he won’t runaway again, so yeah, that’s what I think, but still, it’s a good theory Id
To build off a bit from your theory:
if the idea of RWQ coming from Charlie and taking its appearance somewhat from William is true, maybe the inverse of that is true for Nightmarionne? The way it describes itself as “the fearful reflection of what he created”, certainly sounds like it’s an agony entity. Not only that, but it’s after UCN (or at least after the thing started) that he started showing up as plushies or staff bots. Maybe it was spawned in UCN out of Williams fear of what he made Charlie into and then either it just got out somehow or UCN really was interrupted by Glitchtrap stuff, and then it went on to haunt the pizzaplex where the last traces of Afton are?
Granted, 2/3 of the newer games it appeared in either were partially virtual or may just involve Charlie herself (heck, for all we know she took on the form of nightmarionne since she’s probably lost her physical form), but still. Nightmare the animatronic is considered like semi-shadow, so one that takes his place could be the same.🤔
I have two ideas:
1. The shadows are kinda like machines. Not in a physical way but in the way they work. They seem to do basic tasks for the person who participated in their agony creation. Shadow Freddy helps William and Shadow bonnie helps the kids which also means helping Chalire. This could also be them just mimicking.
2. Dee Dee/XOR might be the agony caused by the vengeful spirit's (Cassidy in my opinion) death. Dee Dee seems to be a fisher in fnaf world and Cassidy is related to OMC and if they did actually die by drowning in a springlock suit it adds more evidence to my claim. XOR also uses similar colors to the ghost children and has control over UCN more then all the other entities present except for the vengeful spirit.
(William might be a furry.)
FNAF 2 is almost w decade now and you are just figuring out who the shadows are? Im not trying to criticize or anything but honey, thats light work and something that i and probably many other fans already knew. I love your theories tho and thank you for your content. But you know, especially for anyone that is also a fan of matPat, most fans probably already know this knowledge 😅
Hey ID, there’s a FNaF theory that isn’t to well known but the implications it has for the lore and story of FNaF are very interesting and the evidence that backs it up are pretty valid. But I think you and other well known theorist should take a look into this theory and see if it’s worth considering. The theory video is called “The FNaF Year Everyone Forgot About” by ImmenseAndrew.
well, if Factor is popular enough to be sponsoring two major yt channels, then they sure do know what they're doing! GoodtimeswithScar gets sponsored by the same food company.
yooo wait since this is a good theory, it begs the question. did toy bonnie do the bite of 87?
it's unlikely considering he's one of the few fnaf 2 animatronics that have not been a candidate up until this point and the whole "where's my beak? lodged in your forehead ofcourse" toy chica line.
buuuuuuut, that would explain shadow bonnie.
@TheDoctorIsln talked about the same theory aka shadows being created by agony. I think that video is worth a watch, his theory makes sense to me
The shadows did give me Agony vibes by description, but I always found it odd how differently the shadows act over how an Agony infused object should act
The weird roaming mangle that walks around and makes strange noises, like its not properly haunted? That gave me Agony vibes for sure, and i wondered if it was an early experiment of aftons.
The shadows though, seem to observe or lead places, are not being involved in attacking or wild aggression, right?
For the longest time, all by myself I started to theorize that Shadow Bonnie was a result of Charlies murder, so it’s nice to see actual professional Fnaf Theorists having the same thought process as me, and that I’m not insane! Lol. (Fairly certain I did bring that up before in the comments of this channel. But I don’t remember. Lol. I write a lot of UA-cam comments on a lot of UA-cam videos and I don’t remember a decent portion of them. Lol)
The shadow animatronics have the same face as the final boss from Persona 3 FES The Answer, Erebus. This isn’t theory crafting between two and completely different game franchises, it’s just fun to point out since Erebus is the manifestation of everyone’s fear and dread and is the Greek God of shadows and darkness.
Now we all wait for Matpat to release 3 videos (2 hours each) of his reaction to your theory.
But jokes aside, I think it's one of the best recent FNaF theories, I never really noticed that FNaF 2 is so strongly connected with the Happiest Day.
Stage01 looks fascinating to me, while we see Shadow Bonnie in those minigames, we don't see Shadow Freddy, and we see Shadow Bonnie in the same place as two golden animatronics that strongly correlated with founders which makes me think that there was the third that leads me to speculate that third founder could have been creator of mimic. Tho we will see in next Fnaf secret of the mimic clues about the creation of the mimic, I still think it can create an interested theory that animatronics AI could have been developed by the third founder that created mimic AI, and he died earliest in the timeline.
Sorry for a wall of text, I hope it made sense to you.
haven't finished watching so i could be saying something you already said, but the shadow anamitronics are all probably caused by the crying child and the agony he felt leading up to his death. From balloon boy being a kid with a baloon to toy bonny being a toy he saw being played with, and additionally most of the other shadow animitronics were also involved in making the happiest day mini game possible. It is highl likely that every shadow animatronic in fnaf are nightmares conjured up by the crying child.
Another great vid! I initially dismissed the "Shadow" animatronics as irrelevant. But you've changed my mind, even though I still believe they're not as important as people make them out to be.
This is really good! The only thing is the part of Charlie Emily saying “I’ll put you back together” I find it better for William to say this but that’s also bc I think cc died first but I like ur idea on the shadow animatronics I think ur right !!!
I would be curios to now what you consider to be "tangible" and what is symbolic and what you interoperate that symbolism to be. I.E towards the end where you alluded to the cake being symbolic of replacement memories to move on the spirits and end the torment.
I have a theory about the shadows too:
It was proved that when you stay still for a few hours, your shadow does stay there.
And we know withered golden freddy does not move at all except for when he teleports in the office, so shadow freddy could be what is left of golden freddy's body of the past (which can also relate to into the pit).
I think shadow bonnie is the same thing, but I don't think it was meant to be a toy bonnie shadow but more likely a springbonnie shadow, and we know at that time afton was already dead, and since both golden freddy and springbonnie were possessed i think it can be possible that's why the shadows are active and not just dead!
Great Theory but I am Seriously confused about something. The endoskeleton is supposed to be possessed and not the suits right? If yes, then how is Golden Freddy possessed? And not only that, how are the fnaf 1 animatronics possessed since they have different endoskeletons from the fnaf 2 location.
I think it checks out, the fazbear fright books are meant to help us solve things from the past but I never felt that into the pit really solved anything, with the game released people have been theorizing about it but focus mostly in details of the game like the Freddy mask, your theory on the other hand applies to both book and game, I've seen this theory thrown around but seeing how you present it think I'm comfortable saying I think this is canon.
its just agony creatures
and they are eleanor
dark remnant=agony
13:33
afton creates the experiments post cc's death, to recreate how cc made the plush be possesed by agony, fear
17:32
the week before puts golden freddy not vengeful on night 6 ending
17:41
the logbook puts cassidy as the happiest day receiver
Spring Bonnie doesn't have a visceral reaction to seeing the picture, he reacts like that only after getting slapped by Oswald's dad's limp hand as Oswald flops his dad into the pit, there's a clear cartoon slap sound effect when it happens. He's actually very solemn when he sees the picture betraying the idea that there is some human consciousness still within the suit that remembers the good ol days.
i love the fact that there is an entire group of people who go back and make dissertations on small things like this that not many people think about. Modern day fnaf theorist are like scientist from the 18-1900. Fnaf is just its own field of science at this point
ID, I would just like to say that your videos are so comforting to me :)
Ngl u gotta play through the classic games at some point frfr (if not all, at least some of them)
You know, I'd be down if the answer for the Shadow Animatronics are the way to say FNAF 2 does actually have some importance